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 No.10920[View All]

https://www.jcp.or.jp/web_policy/2021/10/2021s-bunya-007.html
Japanese communist party proposes a ban on lolicon stuff in otaku media
Based or cringe?
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 No.11769

>>11768
Oh, can't forget about /l/ in 2004 that was shut down after some chucklefuck spammed CP a over it
anyways I think you're just pretending to be retarded at this point, tt4n

 No.11770

>>11763
How is this related to what I said here >>11759 retard?
Are you implying that if 4chan does X we should do Y just because? Just to be a fucking contrarian disregarding all logic? Think about it for a second, we're trying to fucking cancel some fucking drawings and push for the rights of imaginary people, fuck that and fuck whoever wants to do that instead of helping workers with real issues.

 No.11771

>>11770
>muh /pol/ moral crisis
</pol/ is on 4chan that is known to host daily loli threads and and historically caters to CP
>Are you implying that if 4chan does X we should do Y just because?
<we
>Just to be a fucking contrarian disregarding all logic?
What logic am I disregarding? That hentai artists use reference photos? I think that's you buddy.
>Think about it for a second, we're trying to fucking cancel some fucking drawings and push for the rights of imaginary people, fuck that and fuck whoever wants to do that instead of helping workers with real issues.
<cancel
<imaginary people
but those reference photos are really people, anon. You're just mad because I flawlessly dismantled your age old /b/loli arguments with a single fact, that hentai artists use reference photos lmfao

 No.11772

>>11771
>that hentai artists use reference photos
You haven't shown a single proof that they use real CP, If I want to draw tentacle rape may as well go to the ocean to see if I can catch a giant octopus and rape a girl using it amirite?

 No.11773

>>11765
4chan has always been known as a hypocritical website filled with people who are from the outgroups of society trying to shun other socially unacceptable people in a probably unconscious desire to fit in the world that has rejected them.

 No.11774

>>11772
Is this some sort of exercise from goebbels playbook?
just keep repeating the same nonsequitors and "disregarding all logic"

 No.11775

>>11774
No, if you have proof please show it to me, honest.
This isn't proof btw >>11721

 No.11776

>>11774
>>11775
If you ask someone to back up their wild claims with evicence you're a fucking nazi, dude.

 No.11777

>>11775
>post loli and cp to prove that artists use reference photos

 No.11778

>>11776
No need to be hysterical lol

 No.11779

>>11777
>>11778
Oh you're just a troll. Carry on then.

 No.11780

Mods don't care about /anime/

 No.11781

>>11779
Oh yes, the notorious "artists use reference photos" troll, a classic

 No.11782

>>11777
No retard, enough proof would be posting a news article saying that "X" loli artist was caught with real CP and arrested, also you know that loli doujins are legal in Japan right? You can get those at comiket and they even send them overseas.

 No.11783

>>11781
What do you get from being a dishonest cunt? Do you think you're convincing anyone here of anything?

 No.11784

>>11782
>No retard, enough proof would be posting a news article saying that "X" loli artist was caught with real CP and arrested
https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20170614-00000030-mai-soci
You can use Google my guy, I don't need to prove that artists use reference photos because it's true.
>also you know that loli doujins are legal in Japan right?
duh?
>You can get those at comiket and they even send them overseas.
k?
>>11783
You masturbate to loli and will vehemently deny any connection between your precious porn and reality.
You don't want to hear what I'm saying, because you couldn't live with yourself if you know how it was actually made.
This is very common among porno addicts. What I'm saying is common knowledge to anyone outside your little circlejerk, that hentai artists use reference photos

 No.11785

>>11784
>URL doesn't exist

 No.11786

>>11784 (me)
shit, dead link

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 No.11788

>>11784
You're here acting like a cop, pulling moralist outrages over drawings, being dishonest for dozens of posts and calling everyone a samefag and then you call others hysterical? That you can only conceive of lolicons defending themselves means you're way too far gone. Enjoy being a neo-karen complaining about drawn porn and fictional characters on a leftist board about anime.

I only masturbate to hyper tits and asses, btw, but you will ignore this to feed your cop complex.

 No.11789


 No.11790


 No.11791

>>11788
Don't get so angry, nobody is taking your porn away from you.
But artists do use reference photos though.

 No.11792

>>11788
>cop
lmfao, a real cop would be trying to entrap you not show how nasty loli artists are

 No.11793

>>11791
>>11792
You want to send people to jail over drawings.

 No.11794

>>11791
>Don't get so angry
-> >>11789

 No.11795

>>11793
I do? When did I say that?

 No.11796

>>11794
<two cops showing a picture, which in this case is implied to be lolicon
not helping your case

 No.11797

>>11788
>I only masturbate to hyper tits and asses, btw, but you will ignore this to feed your cop complex.
How could you, those are drawn using 19th century freak show photos as reference!

 No.11798

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leftypol also believes fps games cause school shootings and playing tabletop games is literally invoking demons

 No.11799

>>11798
>playing tabletop games is literally invoking demons
I thought the prevailing thought was that playing tabletop games literally invokes colonialism

 No.11800

>>11798
<smt 5
cringe
>fps games cause school shootings
Depends on the game. Is it the Columbine game? I think that inspired Randy Stair to finally go through with his plan.

 No.11801

>>11749
>Pick up a a book for cartoonists, like Loomis, for starters.
<real artists don't use references, at all, ever, especially not porn artists, they all draw just from imagination, deviantART witch hunts and /ic/ told me so
NGMI

 No.11802

>>11724
>poses, angles, lighting, female anatomy references
Many real-life photos of naked women, real porn
>dick
Real life photos of men's dicks
Then just put it all together in a drawing and there's your futa. Any brainlet could guess this process, holy shit.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The fact remains that the "better" loli artists definitely use real photos of children as reference for their porn. For the design of Mickey Mouse, real mice had to be used as reference, no matter how abstract and stylized Mickey might be; Disney had to look at a mouse to know how to design Mickey's round ears, nose and tail, in a way that they resembled a mouse and not a cat or a rabbit, for example. And speaking of Disney, most if not all of his animated films used rotoscoping, almost the same thing as tracing, even though the characters featured in the films were stylized at varying degrees. Similarly, the knowledge required to portray accurate childlike proportions in lolicon MUST come from somewhere. Are you this much in denial? Just give up already. Unless you're just baiting for attention which I think is more likely since no one could be this stupid.

 No.11804

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>>11802
>Then just put it all together in a drawing and there's your futa. Any brainlet could guess this process, holy shit.
yeah here's ur real reference futa bro
>Similarly, the knowledge required to portray accurate childlike proportions in lolicon MUST come from somewhere.
damn crazy almost like there's manga character proportion books or something you can find on /ic/

 No.11811

>>11799
Back in the 80s and 90s tabletop RPG players were thought of as satanists by hysterical moms and conservatives.

 No.11812

>>11811
But really the racial traits just enforce magical racism

 No.11814

>>11804
… you understand that the artist had to look at lots of reference pictures to be able to draw that, right?
>damn crazy almost like there's manga character proportion books or something you can find on /ic/
And yet that's not enough to draw naked bodies well, it is necessary to look at real naked bodies, and skilled artists know this. Fucking Michael Angelo had to use his live models as reference for his art.
Keep coping though, lolifaggot

 No.11822

>>11814
The only faggot here is you wringing your hands over art you don't like and trying to pretend like your idiot puritanism gives you some sort of moral legitimacy.

You know fuck all about art, aristry, and human sexuality and everyone would be better off if you shut your dumb fucking dicksocket.

 No.11823

>>11822
You're from GET aren't you

 No.11851

>>11798
>playing tabletop games is literally invoking demons
said no person on leftypol not trolling the fuck out of your dumb ass. As for FPS, it's demonstrably proven that videogames, especially shooters have causation in relation to aggression, especially in youth, and shit like Christchurch and the film the shoot*r did is similar to an actual FPS game, not to mention that any video game that has a plot in relation to people (such as Call of Dutu) like any media of the kind, influences its audience, that's the reason the US military and DoD help fund this shit, you actual tool.

>>11788
>Ur a COP, let m coom to CP in denial!
NTA but honestly screaming "moralism" is neither an argument nor is it even true.

 No.11852

>>11822
>wringing your hands over art you don't like
<It's aaaaaaart
porn isn't art, and illustrated porn using models does not make it art either, you can either take the L and admit that lolicon shite is pedoshit or be in complete denial and still take the L. Go back to GET and take your dysfunctional no-argument libertarian bullshit along for the ride.

 No.11853

>>11741
>This coming from a guy who uses the same type of teenage girl protagonists over and over in his works
Except he doesn't, his girl characters being normal doesn't make them the same you internet residing ape.
>reoccuring themes of loss of innocence/sexual awakening
The fuck are you talking about? This i the reason I hate burger analyses, they see sex and "sexual awakening" in fucking everything; the boy has blue curtains? Must be a symbol of male awakening and depression, this girl is shy and stays among female friends in school? She must be a secret lesbian. Get your dicks out of your hands and touch grass FFS.
>Freud
Fuck him and Lacaan too, bunch of pseudo-intellectuals
>In the same article linking another article
You're not addressing the argument you're attacking the source reporting it. You also speak as if VICE is monolithic and has all articles made by the same people. They link to other articles because that's the method to get clicks on articles.
>Talk to someone who has seen war then come back kid
Given that my family did so and I have spoken to many Veterans, I say go fuck yourself. Also funny that you mention war given that one of the most heavily punished and condemned crimes in a war is rape. Just for context, Chikotilo's entire life of rape and murder began because the Nazis raped his mother in front of him, leading to sexual emasculation and trauma and the subsequent serial killings. Fucking Tool.

 No.11854

>>11741
>Artists aren't porky
Most porn makers have contracts and are usually middle-class fucks that have nothing better to do, only in Japan are they overworked but that's everyone in Japan, they're not any more special for it.
>Hentai isn't profitable in of itself
Kek are you retarded? The porn industry is booming in this day and age of internet coomerism.
>many hentai companies go bankrupt
<VN fan
VNs are fucking obscure and niche, porn comics have remained successful, companies die because of capitalist monopolization.
>they fail to capitalize on merchandise and gacha games
an entire industry of figurines and hentai games prove the opposite.
>the vast majority of professional hentai and ecchi works do not have loli
nobody claimed otherwise, porn isn't a good industry regardless, so there is no reason to support it. Lolishit is just a particularly shitty part of this shitty industry.
>that's a laughable amount of money for such expensive animation
Because people don't feel like paying for shit like this given the dubious legality of shotacon and producing it. There's a reason most porn sites do not distribute underage content, illustrated or RL.
>Tell me how I know you've never visited a Japanese online doujinshi store without telling me.
1) Do you think this i supposed to b some proof of superiority? I applaud you for such a monumental achievement in consumerism
2) I've seen them actually, and no, I do not find there to be a lot of original non-hentai content; softcore porn is still porn.

 No.11855

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>>11741
>Retards who never read The German Ideology
Except they did, by virtue of them actually reading and studying theory before becoming revolutionaries and being specifically inspired by said literature.
>wasting time, human life
The people that fought and bled under their command for a better future certainly thought otherwise and the material results proved them correct. The USSR and Cuba set more precedents of human progress and socialism than any other, and
>Tainted communism
<Not reel soshulism!
Laughable liberal, go home, you're drunk.
>Vanguardism
>it is founded upon the myth of proletariat consciousness
Marx specifically speaks about a vanguard being necessary and class consciousness is not a myth. Not to mention that Marx is not the messiah that speaks absolute truths by virtue of speaking. It's also funny that you cut out my specific mention of Marx in the list of communists I mentioned, that also specifically attacked any such free love bullshit and other sandal-footed, libertarian bohemianism such as yours.

 No.12115

>>11853
>Except he doesn't, his girl characters being normal doesn't make them the same you internet residing ape.
Archetypes exist retard.
>The fuck are you talking about? This i the reason I hate burger analyses, they see sex and "sexual awakening" in fucking everything; the boy has blue curtains? Must be a symbol of male awakening and depression, this girl is shy and stays among female friends in school? She must be a secret lesbian. Get your dicks out of your hands and touch grass FFS.
What are YOU talking about retard? How many Ghibli films have you seen? How many are about growing up?
>You're not addressing the argument you're attacking the source reporting it. You also speak as if VICE is monolithic and has all articles made by the same people. They link to other articles because that's the method to get clicks on articles.
VICE isn't even news, it's a techno-liberal garbage content mill, next!
>Given that my family did so and I have spoken to many Veterans, I say go fuck yourself. Also funny that you mention war given that one of the most heavily punished and condemned crimes in a war is rape. Just for context, Chikotilo's entire life of rape and murder began because the Nazis raped his mother in front of him, leading to sexual emasculation and trauma and the subsequent serial killings. Fucking Tool.
Tell someone who has lost family in a war as a child or someone who has been disfigured in a war that at least they weren't raped. Let's see how that goes retard. Your oppression Olympics are totally divorced from reality.
>>11854
>Most porn makers have contracts and are usually middle-class fucks that have nothing better to do, only in Japan are they overworked but that's everyone in Japan, they're not any more special for it.
<middle-class
Ill-defined non-Marxist term, goalposts have been moved.
>only in Japan are they overworked but that's everyone in Japan
Way to reveal your shallow knowledge on the subject retard. Certainly nobody making anything as a hobby, including doujin circles which are the bulk majority of people making hentai, are getting overworked, retard.
>booming in this day and age of internet coomerism.
Hentai is not "the porn industry", stop switching goalposts retard.
>VNs are fucking obscure and niche, porn comics have remained successful, companies die because of capitalist monopolization.
<VNs are fucking obscure and niche
Holy retard. And ero figurines and ero gacha games aren't?!
<porn comics have remained successful
You mean the majority of which doujins which are sold at conventions by amateurs just enough to cover costs of printing? Retard.
>an entire industry of figurines and hentai games prove the opposite.
Functionally illiterate retard, the premise is that the majority do NOT capitalize on merchandise and gacha games due to LACK OF INTEREST in the IP.
>Because people don't feel like paying for shit like this given the dubious legality of shotacon and producing it. There's a reason most porn sites do not distribute underage content, illustrated or RL.
Yes, pedos don't want to pay for CP because it's illeg- wait what? Fucking retard. The real money, like with ordinary anime, comes from merchandise and gacha.
>1) Do you think this i supposed to b some proof of superiority? I applaud you for such a monumental achievement in consumerism
>2) I've seen them actually, and no, I do not find there to be a lot of original non-hentai content; softcore porn is still porn.
Thank you for yet again a display of brazen ignorance.

Also if you have such a hateboner for artists get the fuck out of /anime/, retard.
>>11855
>Except they did, by virtue of them actually reading and studying theory before becoming revolutionaries and being specifically inspired by said literature.
It was first published in 1932 retard. Some of them couldn't physically read it, like Lenin, or Mao, in his case because there was no translation. Lenin was the one who founded Vanguardism.
>Marx specifically speaks about a vanguard being necessary and class consciousness is not a myth. Not to mention that Marx is not the messiah that speaks absolute truths by virtue of speaking. It's also funny that you cut out my specific mention of Marx in the list of communists I mentioned, that also specifically attacked any such free love bullshit and other sandal-footed, libertarian bohemianism such as yours.
In The German Ideology Marx and Engels explicitly state that the proletariat is not a class, that they act as individuals not as a class, that their emergence represents the dissolution of classes in history. And if you used your brain and looked around you, you would find that this assertion is unmistakably correct. Retard.

God I wish I could hang people who shamelessly pretend knowledge and in doing so misinform others.

 No.12118

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>>12115
>Replying nearly a month later
>just more ad-hom, coping and inaccurate pseud bullshit.
Do everyone a favor and stop posting.
>Tell someone who has lost family in a war as a child or someone who has been disfigured in a war that at least they weren't raped
<Oppreshuon Olympics
You reveal your colors /pol/, not only are you making a strawman but you'd just being blatantly disingenuous because you cannot justify your dismissal of Rape without creating a strawman of [at least its not [insert atrocity on a mass scale], YOU'RE the retard making it into Oppression Olympics, trying to dickmeasure rape and murder, god you're psychopath. If you're dead you cannot be traumatized and so live and cope, People that survived trauma in war are a massive goal pot shift from the original point you cunt.
>How many Ghibli films have you seen?
I'm speaking specifically about Miyazaki, but in either case I've seen many.
>How many are about growing up?
Plenty, plenty more are not about that at all, your point fails because you claim that his stuff is all the same, and that is incorrect.
>Archetypes exist
Generic fucking statement, an Archetype doesn't make characters representative of an archetype the same you fucking tool, it's the same as claiming that every person that has certain behaviors and culture is the same.
>VICE isn't even news, it's a techno-liberal garbage content mill
<attacking the source, still no argument.

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>>12115
>Ill-defined non-Marxist term, goalposts have been moved.
<Marx is god didn't you know? Nothing matters but MARX
No goal posts here have been moved, and Middle-class is in essence the modern version of the petit-bourg, nice try
>Way to reveal your shallow knowledge on the subject
Yes because Karoshi and extreme stress from overwork doesn't exist in every level of Japanese society impacting even acclaimed or popular mangaka and animators like Oda.
>Certainly nobody making anything as a hobby
Never said that, I said that most doujins that get anywhere are usually either hentai or get lucky (and are still racy, a la Nagatoro) or otherwise have an interesting story concept that gets picked up by a bigger company (One Punch Man). Your comment about bulk majority also literally confirms my point, keep up please.
>ero figurines and ero gacha games aren't
Figurine collection has been popular for years and gacha games, including ero ones are fucking booming LMAO.
>the majority of which doujins which are sold at conventions by amateurs just enough to cover costs of printing
You're seething so hard your sentence is only barely comprehensible and your projection of retard is amusing, your claim is bullshit, especially in this age of WNs and online stores having made porn comics erupt in popularity in the past decade, it's an undeniable fact, as many people easily subside on patreon and porn-comic selling sites and even become rich.
>Functionally illiterate
Not relevant and not an argument here, given your poor writing and inane argumentation (and lack of argument in general) I'd have to say you have NO ground to stand on in calling someone else illiterate.
>premise is that the majority do NOT capitalize on merchandise and gacha games due to LACK OF INTEREST in the IP
And now you're blatantly manipulating. The majority that anyone knows of do and have capitalized on merchandise, ALL of them attempt this, the market is fickle so most don't make it on an international level, BUT online stores and self-made content has demonstrated that this is not longer as true as it had been a decade ago, given that every Tom-san, Dick-kun and Hari-sama can just order and sell "merch" on easy to make sites and online ads for relatively little money, and the ever-growing anime fad makes this a big market for the Japanese Mangaka, thus a large market aimed at the USA, this is blatantly obvious in every form of animated or drawn Japanese media sold.
>pedos don't want to pay for CP because it's illeg- wait what
If you pay for it, you are immediately in connection to the media, you are linked to it and invested money, pedophiles specifically avoid being connected to something that could incriminate them, 'cause 'Big Surprise!' they don't like being caught.
>The real money, like with ordinary anime, comes from merchandise and gacha.
And you contradict yourself
>Thank you for yet again a display of brazen ignorance.
Yes indeed, thank (YOU) for your seething, it's not really amusing, but it is somewhat entertaining.

 No.12120

>>12115
>hateboner for artist
Porn isn't art, COPE HARDER FAGGOT.

 No.12122

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>>12115
>It was first published in 1932
So the only one that couldn't read it is Lenin.
>Mao, in his case because there was no translation
Ah yes, because Mao, the man that spent years in revolutionary activity that included visits to the USSR and study of Marx and Engels and Lenin, didn't bother reading their literature or acknowledging their existence over the entire 60+ years of his adult life, Yes YOU are so much smarter than those "stoopid dumb chinx and russkies!"
Fucking hell read a fucking Biography of the man instead of deciding that you, some fuckass on the internet bitching about (specifically) violent porn being censored understands the theory and realities of communism and socialism better than the people that made the theory and actualized it. Your arrogance is amazing.
>Lenin was the one who founded Vanguardism.
If you bothered to read more than the summary of the wikipedia article you're taking this from you'd see that even there it is stated that,
>Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx presented the concept of the vanguard party as solely qualified to politically lead the proletariat in revolution; in Chapter II: "Proletarians and Communists" of The Communist Manifesto (1848), they said: The Communists, therefore, are, on the one hand, practically the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement. The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: Formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.
So yeah, cope more pseud.
>Marx and Engels explicitly state that the proletariat is not a class
yeah no, you're blatantly incorrect as Marx calls it the proletariat class in most of his literature and Part I: Feuerbach. Opposition of the Materialist and Idealist Outlook of The German Ideology.
>their emergence represents the dissolution of classes in history
Speaking in terms of present and future DEVELOPMENT of society as it approaches communism, it's like you ignored the rest of his theory and cherrypicked this to support your backwards understanding.
>if you used your brain and looked around you, you would find that this assertion is unmistakably correct
<R-retard (x10)
Ah yes, galaxy brain of course.
> I wish I could hang people who shamelessly pretend knowledge and in doing so misinform others.
Then you'd be dead though for that? Also it's good to see confirmation of your violent tendencies, you prove my point more.


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