American leftists still have a lot of nationalistic hangups and project the worst of their cultures onto other cultures. Projection is actually a neutral thing that most people do. You assume that people are more like yourself than they really are.
I don't watch american shit
Because leftists are naturally crotchety. They're a very ornery species. Either, or they over-analyse shit. They can't suspend judgement even for a second.
>>2588>on the "Left"
Assuming you mean liberals, they basically think American nationalism is cool and good so long as it's not called by that name and isn't explicitly racist.
>>2591>>implying that enjoying media without going into its ideological ramifications is impossible.
OP didn't even mention enjoyment though.
Typically "the Left" when going after an anime due to its ideological ramifications also tends to hate on the anime itself because it doesn't fit their ideological morlas.
There was a fascinating article by Eiji Ōtsuka that was translated and published by Thomas Lamarre in Mechademia a couple years ago called "An Unholy Alliance of Eisenstein and Disney: The Fascist Origins of Otaku Culture". It basically showed how Japan's animation industry has roots in Showa fascist recuperation of Constructivist film theory (imported from the Soviet Union) to create Disney-like propaganda films. These circumstances are very unique as far as state propaganda goes and the advent of the "Cool Japan" reignited discussion of this. An unfortunately common "leftist" (I would say, liberal) interpretation tends to frame all anime as fascist (or at the very least, reactionary) but this is usually just cope meant to explain away all of the anime avis in their mentions who're unironically spewing fascist talking points. Neither are particularly interested in the industry, its history, nor its workers' struggles. Rather, they're just looking for something to complain about.>almost all capeshit is much more nationalist than most anime.
As far as I know, America isn't putting like, Marvel's Avengers onto military equipment yet. The "soft power" of Japan's cultural output is all they're really allowed to have on the world stage. With Shinzo Abe's resignation and plan to complete his grandfather's dream of expanding the JSDF foiled due to Ulcerative colitis, I assume this will remain unchanged for many more years to come.
>>2598>As far as I know, America isn't putting like, Marvel's Avengers
Are they putting anime onto military equipment? I am pretty sure the military is involved in Marvel movies due to their ability to rent military equipment to Hollywood on the cheap. The film "Captain Marvel" had airforce adverts running before the screening. Superheroes are the ultimate Randian wetdream. Ubermenschen dealing out justice where the government fails to show results. Not that the medium is reactionary as a whole. The "British Invasion" created a space for nominally more liberal, even leftwing publication.
Anyways, I think the topic of reactionary media is silly. Not because culture is bereft of ideological ramifications, but because even radical art has the tendency for recuperation. The talk of art and culture has been a century long development in socialist thinking. Perhaps we have learned enough to know that ideology does not rest upon the media itself, but the superstructure.
When we establish socialism, there will be a more progressive medium of anime and capeshit.
Actually Americans don't realize just how nationalistic their own film industry is. They don't notice because it like any propaganda that works has been drilled into them since long ago.
See that interview with Oliver Stone.
Anyways, expecting that "popular" media will be more radical is not going to be productive. When the world gets FALC perhaps then things will be different.
I dunno about sexualizing children, but "normalizing" rape and harrassment through jokes is something you see in a lot of "dirty" American comedies like The Hangover or Seth MacFarlane type shit. As for distorted relationship ideals, see maybe every chick flick ever made.
Never mind the fact that this post is a huge generalization and it's this kind of assumption that all animation produced in Japan is basically the same that reveals critics of anime as ridiculously ethnocentric.
What do you think the point of this thread is, retard?
>>2616>Not muh senseless violence!!!
>>2599>Are they putting anime onto military equipment?
Yeah, I vividly remember seeing photos of anime girls painted on the sides of attack helicopters a couple years ago. But it goes deeper than that. The JSDF under Abe leaned heavily into anime for recruitment; much more than what the US Military typically does with film (although I think they're starting to catch on if you take a quick look at recent developments like the US Army Esports Team). Otherwise I agree with you; it is pretty silly. >>2605
Does watching anime turn you into a mass murdering pedophile rapist? No. This is a boring conversation. Japan already had it when the Heisei era started with the Otaku Killer case—and that was a decade before Columbine.
Few American movies are blatant reactionary fascist garbage as crap like girls und panzer, attack on titan, Tanya the evil and darling in the franxx and those are just the ones that come to mind.
Not them but it's very natalist. The protagonists are male (stamen) and female (pistil) pilots called "Parasites" who were born in vitro. They're tasked with fighting the "Klaxosaurs" in a post-apocalyptic world where humanity lives in giant mobile domes called "Plantations" that look like they came straight out of Archigram. Things like "Procreation" and "Relationships" have been rendered taboo thanks to medical advancements in life extension. So of course, the biggest act of rebellion in this future is to have sex and marry for the sanctity of human life. One might argue that the show could've ended with a recitation of the 14 words and the message would've been the same. Also, the religious group and twist antagonists (APE) that have been telling everyone to *not* do those things are secretly controlled by aliens (VIRM) who will stop at nothing to exploit the Earth. I wonder if anyone at Studio Trigger has read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. There's lots of fascist imagery and german naming conventions throughout the show, too. It starts to get pretty incoherent after Episode 14 iirc; that's when all of the above happens.
OH! I forgot to mention that the male and female pilots are paired together based on how well they're able to develop a relationship. There's even an episode where they try to pair two pistils together but it doesn't work because one of them didn't role that way. Not so subtle jab at LGBT characters; brief controversy during the show's runtime that indicated early-on just how unimaginative the writing and world building was.
>>2625>Tanya the evil
See: >>801; I haven't seen Girls und Panzer. I remember reading something about eugenics advocacy in Attack on Titan, though. Still, there's a plethora of American films that are "blatantly" reactionary fascist garbage, ones that predate Japan's animation industry, too. I suspect you just haven't really looked for them.
Attack on Titan takes a turn to pretty much be pro-Imperial Japan revanchist garbage after a while, there was a very through reddit post examining this but I can't find it. Anyways, what I'm going at is that yeah America has shit like Birth of a Nation and pretty much all war movies but I think all of these have a very blatant "AMERICA GOOD, NAZIS/IRAQ BAD" whereas with anime things are more subtle and what you may think is just another mecha anime with fanservice or a fantasy story about people killing giants is actually fascist natalist propaganda ordered by Shinzo Abe himself that a lot of less-receptive viewers may not get.
Then again, maybe I'm just biased and have already normalized the propaganda present in American/western media and thus get weirded out by media from other countries.
I wouldn't really say Attack on Titan is advocating anything, it's been through a number of arcs now where maybe that seemed the case only to overturn them with a twist. It's just endless, mindless carnage at this point.
GuP is pretty much just a sports anime, that anon is talking out their ass. It's popular with anime nazis since it got German tanks but you can't really blame the show for it.
So is exercising.
It's militarist garbage that glorifies the fascist powers of the second world war. Go back to /pol/ with your wehraboo excuses
Militarism in anime predates the Abe administration by decades; academics have been talking about its influence in mecha anime in particular for just as long. It's a big reason why I mentioned the Otaku Killer case here >>2620
because that was a turning point for many directors in the industry at the time. Hayao Miazaki is everyone's go-to example; by the late 90s we clearly see fewer instances of graphic violence and sexual themes in his films. It's dismissive to call it all "facist natalist propaganda" as Japan's government didn't really start to seriously help fund productions until the turn of the millennium. You're ignoring the years of left wing influence on anime/manga, as well as its many nuances (which would likely be deemed politically incorrect by western audiences anyway). A lot of this has to do with the language barrier, too; I don't wanna say it can't be helped, but most people who so quick to dismiss a whole industry's output like this aren't normally interested.
I think he is right that it is pretty much just a sports anime. It does whitewash the Fascist powers, but that isn't really a focus in the show.
tbh that only makes it worse
I unironically feel uncomfortable at the amount of militaristic things in weeb stuff that are named in German. Not that I'm going to over-analyze like some bored Twitterite but yeah, not a good vibe.>>2598
In Japan the anime /pol/yps are called netouyo and have existed for a LONG time. On 2channel, Japan's most popular "social media" (is that the correct term?) site.
>>2644>You're ignoring the years of left wing influence on anime/manga
The closest thing to a left wing message in anime is "war is bad" and that's more liberal moralizing that actually leftist
The message isn't "war is bad" but "imperialism is bad" as you will note all those wars are in fact imperialist in nature.
war is bad tho
There's no shame admitting it even if liberals agree with it.
>>2620>Does watching anime turn you into a mass murdering pedophile rapist?>>2616
wow, fedora grate arguments on bunkerchan. you weebs really are the worst
nobody, not me nor anybody reasonable, ever said that anime or media in general makes you do anything (as in directly determines your behaviour), that's completly besides the point. the point was simply that anime typically contains reactionary ideology and thus most leftists don't like it
I mean you're not necessarily wrong but pedophilia et all is not an ideology.
>>2659>direct response to retard literally saying dumb shit>"nobody said that"
funny retarded /pol/ converts that studied meme marxism for 2 months on leftybooru consider themselves "reasonable", you illiterate twat can go shove a log of shit down your throat and choke on it
pic related, this is now sexualizing murder and normalizing people going around massacring others with swords as tv show hosts
but i didn't just say that, sssh
>pretentious zizek maymay posting fucktard that can't even spell grade right but talks in "hurr hurr le fedora is you" format
spare the internet with your escapism from facing the reality that you need to just fucking do it
Ok strawmanning faggot, COPE with your mental gymnastics
LOL imagine same samefagging so hard>muh spelling
LOL ok butthurt idiot
Darling in the Franxx was garbage after the first half, and the enemies were lame, but I still enjoyed it. Zero Two also has one of the best developed bodies I've seen in a long time (she's basically Asuka updated) and the cosplay has been hot.
>>2674>not giving a shit to put it all in one post>samefagging
i can tell from your initial posts already that you are retarded, but of course you go off the deep end and further beyond how much of a retarded faggot you are
touhou is not anime
<at the same time praising the glorious Dai Nippon Teikoku with constant shots to the sun
anime is fascist
They both are
Because Jap cartoons are all about glorifying and justifying the Japanese Empire
the denial in this thread is so hard, very popular stuff like attack on titan or gundam unicorn are made by fascists sympathizers that insert xenophobic messages in their stuff
Because gringocentrism. People get incredibly mad when I point out that shit like the Avengers which had actual sponsorship by the DoD is much worse for the state of the world than like, Girls und Panzer which no one who isn't super online knows or cares about
>>2781>attack on titan or gundam unicorn are made by fascists sympathizers that insert xenophobic messages
Weebs are so damn lazy. I hear this all the time but never see proof of it.
Anything that isn't explicitly anti-war is often called that here.
I can enjoy right wing propaganda. James Bond is fun and Starship Troopers is one of my favorite military science fiction novels. Just because I enjoy that shit doesn't mean I take it seriously.
>>2900>Starship Troopers novel
<Right Winger propaganda
Anon, I… >>>/hobby/5931
Anime will estrogenize the otaku.
>>2652>I unironically feel uncomfortable at the amount of militaristic things in weeb stuff that are named in German.
Me too, but don't military-reated terms usually get German(ic) names, especially in Japan because those terms entered the Japanese language before the equivalents in English and others (due to their alliance)?
>>2599>I am pretty sure the military is involved in Marvel movies due to their ability to rent military equipment to Hollywood on the cheap.
The military is involved because Hollywood is literally their propaganda arm. The military and CIA both have offices devoted specifically to "consultation" where they review scripts, nixing the ones that they don't like and funding the ones that they do.
>>2593>They can't suspend judgement even for a second.
but lemme guess, the boycotts of star wars were different, right? we just said the movies were shit and left it at that, but you lot see "anti-white" bias in everything.
bro, wojaks out there spreading hate, normalizing reactionaryism and nationalism as funny jokes, completely distorted human characteristics
the last part isn't "every god damn time" of course because I actually bothered to learn more about the subject than you did to learn about anime
I believe he was referrring to Osamu Tezuka's involvement with the socialist party.
>>2660> however have a problem with saying that the entire animation output of a country as being inherently reactionary.
you better, it's racist
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