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 No.6734[Last 50 Posts]

Is Attack on Titan fash?

 No.6735

I'll tell you, when it ends.

 No.6736

provide supporting arguments or >>>/b/

 No.6737

you could at least write about its far-right nationalist politics or the fact that the author glorifies japanese imperialism

 No.6740

>>6734
no idea, I found the plot so slow to advance and boringly convoluted (too many questions, not enough answers), I gave up midway through s2

 No.6743

Not fash, just trash.

 No.6745

I've seen people claim that it's either fash or anti-fash.

 No.6746

>>6734
It's only retarded

 No.6747

>>6745
I've heard people claim Marx was a fascist and an anti-fash. Who gives a fuck.

 No.6755

People are really starting to become obnoxious about the Show. Like…the amount of people saying it is the geeatest Anime ever has quadrupled after the new season aired

 No.6756

>>6755
Did they not see K-On!?

 No.6759

>>6756
Of course they didn't, they're zoomers and/or normies

 No.6761

>>6756
Is K-On! that good? I tried to watch the first Episode and I don't see the Appeal. Sort of like FLCL which I find absolutely horrible

 No.6764

>>6761
It's only pushed because of nostalgia, same with Haruhi and Lucky Star.

 No.6765

>>6734
why does it feel fash? is it because it's set in germany or is it because fashy weebs on 4chan like this show

 No.6766

>>6765
Or because it's about killing "savages from outside who threaten us normal humans"

 No.6799

>>6734
possibly?
but it sure does have the worst ending in human history.

 No.6800

I thought this was gonna be a cool series at first but the initial twist with Eren turning into a titan or whatever turned me off.

 No.6801

>>6761
Its SoL, being kind of bland is basically part of the appeal.

 No.6802

>>6766
That's just normies cutting off polyps internet access

 No.6803

anti-imperialist

 No.6804

>>6803
yeah, it turns out their Hitler figure was just a soyboy incel who got cucked by a farmhand and caused a genocide out of sheer envy.
kinda funny ngl

 No.6805

>>6804
So that's why /a/ is in sheer piss mode.

 No.6806

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Glad it's over tbh.

 No.6807

It ended up being too dumb to be either of those things. If anything is a reafirmation of the liberal morality of "do your part" or "we all have to work to make the world a better place". Lmao, what a trashfire [spoiler]I can't believe I spent 10 years following this shit.[/spoiler]

 No.6808

>>6807
only watched the first season when it came out should i watch the other seasons?

 No.6809

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Wow japanese fans are vocal about the new chapter and they are very happy. Theyre contented with the way eren's character went and the whole genocide. I guess they were holding out hope for a lelouch route, which they got. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to have the chapter framed. Obviously that will happen and it shows how happy they are.

 No.6810

>>6808
Don't bother it's garbage

 No.6812

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ooh la dee da

 No.6813

>>6806
Is it over. What was the Conclusion? I have read the last 10 Chapters. It got a bit too pseudodeep for me

 No.6814

>>6808
>>6810
You know what…watch atleast until the end of season 3. The 2nd and 3rd season are kinda good. The final season starts good with potential and then lets down quick, because let's be honest, the Author wrote himself into a corner at some point

 No.6815

>>6814
thx for the advice im gonna do that

 No.6817

Now that the dust has finally settled, I think it's safe to say that it doesn't have any coherent ideology or theme to it. The story was little more than a set of excuses for constant carnage. I'm sorry I got sucked into it–thankfully it was when the story was already almost concluded so I didn't get strung along forever like Berserk. Would not recommend to others.

 No.6818

>>6817
They should have concluded it after Season 3 with Erwins Death and they reaching the Ocean after killing every Titan. Would have made the show a top tier series, but no All out War where nobdy can win was better. Btw what happened to Levi? He died am I right?

 No.6819

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idk, is this fash, or just japanese?

 No.6820

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 No.6821

>>6820
looks like the standard reac shiz tbh

 No.6822

>>6819
Is that sarcasm in the first page? I genuinely can't tell

 No.6827

>>6819
both, it's liberal idealism.
all liberals are fascists.

 No.6849

>>6819
>fascism is when you have military

 No.6850

>>6804
>soyboy incel who got cucked by a farmhand and caused a genocide out of sheer envy
So like regular hitler

 No.6858


 No.6861

>>6858
Vaush is a Checkmark now? It just gets worse with this guy

 No.6867

>>6858
I'm 100% sure this idiot is browsing this site

 No.6898

>>6867
maybe not him but one of his under age fans. Change your hobbies so they don't intersect with him and his fandom tbqfh

 No.6930

>>6849
he literally ethnically cleansed the entire world

 No.6957

Can people explain me why the ending sucked? Like, I want to know why the concensus is, that Isayama wrote himself into a Corner

 No.6971

>>6957
My guess is he never had a long-term outline of where the story was headed. I think it was probably just a series of improvisations to facilitate endless carnage from the beginning.

 No.7016

>>6799
Why? Because Eren died?

 No.7018

>>6818
Nah he's still alive in the last chapter just wheelchair bound forever now

 No.7020

Attack on titan is just modern day harry potter

 No.7053

I read the whole plot into their Wikia and it's another "destroy the world" ending ffs.

All modern shonens are either "gain godly powers to rebuild the world" or "gain enough force to genocide humans". You know it's bad when One Piece has a better story.

 No.7057

>>7053
>You know it's bad when One Piece has a better story.
Kek, One Piece will end with the former ending you mentioned. Luffy will be so fucking powerful that he destroys the RedLine with One Piece and all 4 Blues will be reunited, resulting in the All Blue.

Also, I don't get how Attack on Titan had to go the "Eldians are so hated that all out genocide by one side had to be the only way". Could the Author not conceal his Fascist Opinions and write a good Story instead? What a mess

 No.7073

>>7057
Maybe but OP isn't centered around this shit and its main villain is the oppressive monarchy while the plot is basically a huge king of the hill match.

> Could the Author not conceal his Fascist Opinions and write a good Story instead?

The "Western" culture may have a liberal bias but the Japanese culture is basically result of a 800 years military dictatorship (shoguns + the empire), so it's extremely fash and manga/anime writers don't even see their blind spots.

 No.7252

>>7073
Can you give some examples of fashy things that japanese writers inadvertently insert into anime

I want to know

 No.7269

Oh wow, it's much worse than what I've got from reading the plot in Wikia. That's Steven-Universe-tier bad.

The popular manga Attack on Titan has recently ended with a chapter 139 and has received a mixed reaction from fans, with some of the fans being really disappointed and voicing their frustrations all over the internet. The main criticism is that this last chapter assassinates the characterisation of some of the characters of the manga, including the main character, Eren. A part of the fandom speculates that this is the result of the ending being rewritten from a darker, more depressing ending, to a more happy-ish ending. I don't want to talk about the quality of the ending in general, but rather how the last chapter has betrayed its female characters and the manga's earlier anti-war and anti-genocide rhetoric. Warning: manga ending spoilers ahead in the rest of this post! CW: abuse, genocide

1. Female characters

There are three female characters that I think the last chapter betrayed in particular. First, Ymir; Ymir is a thousand year old girl with god-like abilities; however, she is also a slave to these abilities. The main character, Eren frees her from this slavery and asks her to help him commit global genocide (more on this later). Initially it seems that she helps in committing global genocide for two reasons: because she values freedom greatly and global genocide is a way to free the oppressed group Ymir and Eren belong to; and also because she wants revenge on the world. Before becoming a god, Ymir was a slave, owned by a man named Fritz who abused her, raped her and who kept her as a slave until she died. In the last chapter it is revealed, however, that Ymir did everything she did because she was in love with Fritz. I consider this a betrayal of her character, because it makes her, incapable of acting on her own, clinging to her abuser for thousands of years. Also, her strong yearning for freedom is removed: while previously it was shown that she is willing to risk her life to free some pigs from being slaughtered, now she doesn't care about freedom at all.

Second, Historia: Historia is the queen of the nation of Eldia, and the descendant of the Royal Familiy who possess magical powers. In the last arc she was hinted to be pregnant with Eren's child, however it turns out in the final chapter that she was pregnant with somebody else's child and her pregnancy ultimately is a red herring and doesn't add anything to the plot. Why is this a problem? First of all, a main character got completely sidelined to be pregnant for the duration of the last arc and does nothing, even though she is the Queen and the descendant of the Royal Family. Just as with Ymir, this removes her agency (but this would have been true even if she was pregnant with Eren's child). Secondly, the problem with Eren not being the father is that instead the father of her child is a former childhood bully of her. Just as with Ymir, an abuser is turned into a lover. While not as big of an issue as with Ymir, we are starting to see a theme her with female characters and unfortunately the same holds for the final female character, Mikasa.

Mikasa is Eren's foster sister, who is also in love with Eren. Her love is extremely obvious and Eren is shown not to reciprocate romantic feelings for here throughout the series. In fact, Eren tries to get stronger and become more independent from Mikasa. However, in the last part of the manga their paths diverge and Mikasa can't follow Eren's descent into global genocide. In fact, in the penultimate chapter Mikasa kills Eren. So what happends in the final chapter? Here it is revealed that Eren was madly in love with Mikasa (with no prior build-up) and that Mikasa cannot move on from Eren. Why is this a problem? Eren pushed away Mikasa before, going as far as calling her a slave and saying he always hated her. Again, Mikasa feels romantic love for someone that emotionally abused her. Unlike the other female characters, Mikasa has more agency, as shown in her killing of Eren. Ultimately, however, Mikasa cannot move on from Eren. I think this is a kind of lack of agency: Mikasa cannot be her own person, she is still tied to Eren.

In conclusion, the last chapter makes the female characters be in love with former abusers and by doing so, removes a part of their agency.

2. Anti-genocide/anti-war themes

The main character, Eren, commits a race-based global genocide and kills 80% of the global population. He does this because the world wants to kill his race, the Eldians, and he feels that destroying the hateful world is the onlly way to save himself and his loved ones. He is shown as a villain throughout the final part of the manga (except for the last chapter). He is shown to be in a state of depression over his actions, he doesn't want to do what he does, but he feels compelled because Eren wants certainty. He wants to make sure that his friends live and the only way to be certain is to kill everyone, even those that are innocent. But doing so destroys him inside. Even so, he keeps doing what he thinks is necessary. The manga shows this in a negative light: this global genoicde and Eren's actions are presented as the consequences of a world filled with racism, hate and war. In other words, if we can't stop racism, hate and war, we will have to fight until ultimately only one group survives. And this is bad for everyone, even the victors: Eren is mentally unstable and depressed and his supporters are shown as fascists. However, the last chapter reveals that Eren planned to lose and did it so that his friends could kill him and be heroes. His friends thank him for committing global genocide (!) so that they could live. Eren was a villain who became who he was because the world of Attack on Titan is an awful place─ retconning him to be a hero is non-sensical and paints his genocide in a positive light, when it was cowardly and an act of ultimate desperation.

In the end, I do think this ending wasn't the original ending. To me, this apparent last-minute change has completely messed up one of the main themes of the manga, which was decidedly anti-war, anti-genocide and anti-racism.

There is much more that could be said about this manga and the ending. I just wanted to add why I was disappointed with it from a social justice perspective; I think that this kind of critique wouldn't go well in the attack on titan subreddits and I just wanted to vent somewhere. The only hope for this great piece of work is that the anime adaptation fixes the ending.

 No.7271

>>7252
Off the top of my head:
– jerking off the military is Hollywood-tier
– nationalist obsession with Japan's history, up to Imperial navel-gazing
– capitalism is never questioned
– benevolent kings/emperors/unelected leaders are frequent
– constant playing around with fascist style and imagery (Kill la Kill doing it "ironically" doesn't make it better)
– lots of "how far being authoritarian is tolerable?" plots/subplots
– lots of Nietzsche-like willpower bullshit
– lots of genes/bloodlines/other quasi-eugenics fiction
– the Great Man narrative is everywhere, even beyond shonens
– patriarchal treatment of female characters (hence, the insane number of insecure teens and incels in the weebdom)

 No.7272

>>7269
A comment in respond to that one (I'll avoid greentext for readability):

Regarding Pixis' being modelled after the Japanese general Akiyama Yoshifuru; I think there is more to unpack here. In interviews, Isayama said his favorite work of all time is the historical novel "Saka no ue no kumo" by Shiba Ryotaro.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka_no_Ue_no_Kumo

While I haven't read the novel myself (it's really long), I've seen Japanese fans pointing out how the character of Pixis, and even some of the dialogue, is pretty much a copy and paste of Akiyama Yoshifuru from the novel. In other words, the character of Pixis is based off a fictional version of Akiyama from a novel, rather than the historical figure himself.

Why is this important, you may ask. It's important because Shiba's historical narrative had a enormous impact on the perception of national history in Japan. Shiba's narrative in many of his novels (and I've read some of them) can be summarized like this: "Meiji good, Showa (or rather 1931-1945) bad". In his novels, Meiji period is glorified as a period of triumphal modernization and overcoming of foreign power like Russia (while completely sidelining the issue of imperialism). On the other hand, Showa period is depicted as a period of fanaticism and brutality, where militarists hijacked the country and ultimately lead to its destruction (while also sidelining the continuity between Meiji and Showa period).

Shiba's novels sold tens of millions of copies, and his influence still continues to this day. I think one of the reason his narrative got so popular is because it allowed the Japanese populace to indulge themselves in nationalistic pride for modern Japan, while shoving all the "bad stuff" to the short period of 1931-1945 and treating it as an mere aberration in the history of modern Japan, ignoring the fact that what happened in that period was a culmination of everything that happened after Meiji restoration.

Since Isayama's favorite work is one of those novel, one can ask how much Shiba's narrative influenced Isayama's view on Japanese pre-WW2 imperialism.

 No.7274

>>7269
>In the last arc she was hinted to be pregnant with Eren's child
When the hell was this? I don't remember this at all.

 No.7275

>>7252
The most blatant to me is how fucking obsessed they are with fascist aesthetics, especially Nazi and Japanese imperial imagery and names. It's incredibly common in anime porn too.

 No.7276

>>7271
>lots of Nietzsche-like willpower bullshit
man it really makes me sad that willpower is associated with fascists more often
but with my willpower i will make it be associated with communism instead
one day!

 No.7294

>>6734
it's so annoying when the Right equivocates pointing out Fascist themes in shows like AoT to criticizing anime in general - as if they wouldn't explode with rage if they watched Revolutionary Girl Utena or Gundam. to some degree analyzing those themes which appear at least somewhat fascistic in AoT is rationalization on my part as to why I felt so totally alienated from the show, and why I disliked it so much, but whether it was subconscious recognition of fascist themes or just a distaste for nu-anime, either way /pol/ are retards for liking it.

 No.7509

>>7276
Communism is the most Nietzschean thing i can think of, and the absolute madlads that are the most famous revolutionaries confirm my belief.

 No.7512


 No.7513

>anime with effeminate “men”
yes

 No.7522

>>6734
Yes, that's why all the black girls in Fayetteville like it. They have a thing for fashy guys there. It's kind of hot in the forbidden love way. I kind of wish I lived closer so I could watch AoT with a fashy black qt.

 No.7538

>>7522
Black girls don't dig white guys friend. You have more luck with asian women

 No.7554

>>7509
i have never read him, what does it mean to be nietzschean

>>7512
i don't know enough about will power nor do i believe ideas belong to anyone but why is will power associated with this dude?

reading that essay it makes sense why everybody on r9k used to talk about this man a lot

 No.7569

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lol nice ending

 No.7576

>>6734
its iraeli

 No.9670

One important thing to note about the rumbling is the fact the actual impact of being crushed by wall titans is alot lower than conventional bombs used in modern wars, especially when you consider how in panels with eren we saw craters that were less than half of erens height WHEN EREN WAS SITTING this would mean that if you actually got stomped by a titan your chances of surviving would be well above 20%, on top of that wall titans can only affect those at a surface level, anyone hiding below the ground, underwater or on aircraft wouldn't even notice the event at all especially when you consider how it took wall titans 2 days according to AOTs lore to fully destroy the island of paradis and in the chapters after the rumbling we see human civilization quickly rebuilding itself as if nothing had ever happened.
To further the rumblings underwhelming destruction is to point out that humanity has faced far worse near extinction events throughout its livelihood, diseases like malaria are responsible for 50% of all human deaths throughout humanities history along with, genocide is another massive causation behind human casualties as genocides from the last 2 centuries alone have caused more deaths than every war in human history, imagine the undocumented deaths from genocides proceeding it or wars like the mongol invasions that wiped out over 10% of the global population, when you consider this simple information it's hard to accept the reality that in the world of aot that an individual is a victim of titans when we've seen them being domesticated or even mass produced for conventional warfare along with the ratio in kills for the scouts in aot versus the titans. and also because we saw cannons being used in the first episode against the titans it's also likely that at some point in the world of aot heavy firebombing was discovered and invented, something that fueled the cold war and nearly led to the destruction of the western world in ww2 when major powers like the usa and germany were finding out how to assemble the atom bomb or the USAs firebombing of Japan

 No.9808

>>6735
It ended, now tell us.

 No.9811

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After watching seasons 1 - 3 I can see why this anime was banned in China. The whole thing is an analogy of Japan's "justified" racism against the entire world and season 3 literally ends with Eren looking at where China would be and saying, "If we kill everyone there, will we be truly free?"

I know the argument is that Eren is "mentally damaged" or something, but the ideology isn't criticized at all, with the closest exception being the court room scene where Eren gets his shit kicked in by Lavi.

The show is definitely entertaining, but you really have to wonder what is going in Isayama's head. He seems like a genocidal maniac. If this really is an analogy to Imperialist Japan, then you can safely say that Isayama is a damaged individual, who lacks historical Knowledge.

Still the show wasn't completely awful; actually one of the better Anime of the last decade. It'd derailed 'cause Eren went beyond mental but a lot of the animation and beginning story were pretty compelling. I think Isayama just wrote himself into a corner and the only way for it to end faithful to the plot, is for one side of the conflict to be entirely "genocided".

 No.9813

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>>9811
>But Eldians are basically enslaved in Marley and so that on top of the years of titan attacks makes Eldia mostly justified!
>It's not the same as IRL China and Japan!
It's obvious that the author will have to make up shit if he wants to portray Japanese imperialism in a positve light, which becomes very easy if you are talking about said historical era through an allegory within a piece of fiction. Look at the justification for the enslavement of Eldians. They have to be slaves because they are very evil which is because they enslaved people. This is just so fucking retarded. The real life justification for imperialism was always might makes right and/or dehumanization and/or white man's burden, because deriding people for their immorality is pretty hard when you are the ones who are committing atrocities against them. It's a lot more efficient or even necessary to place victims of colonialism outside of the shared space of humanity and therefore morals altogether.

The reason why Isayama has written it this way is because just like any proper fascist he is very good at projection. In this case, he is projecting the crimes of Japanese imperialism onto its victims so he can say that we the Japanese are the real victims because we are forced to apologize for our war crimes. Of course many other things point to the Eldians being the Japanese like how they are the small island nation who committed crimes against the big mainland nation. SNK's holy walls are even a parallel to the Typhoons that destroyed the Chinese Fleet centuries in the past, acting as "walls" against invasion. Heck there are characters beign direct parallels to generals and officers of Imperial Japan, pic related.

Of course there is more to it than that, but Imma just link those nuances: https://archive.ph/2PK2f

 No.9980

>>7576
Israeli you mean?

 No.9989

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If titans in attack on titan are only active during the day, why dont survey corps go out trapping and hunting titans at night instead of spending all their time attacking during the day where they're at risk of getting eaten. Hell even better if they have 3d maneuvering gear and cannons why cant they just utilize the power of compressed gas to blow off the heads of titans from above where they can get rid of the nape without even having to get close to titans? Hell if titans are made of human flesh aswell and survive through osmosis and photosynthesis that means they're also combustible and can be killed by ordinary civilians possessing torches burning their entire body including the nape and risking nothing… why are titans even considered dangerous…

 No.9990

>>9989
They don't have actual lights,the flares don't produce light,they reflect the sun.
So you either slowly move around with shitty torches on horseback in the dark (which they show at one point),or you kill yourself with the maneuvering gears against a tree in the dark.
Also you have to slice at a very specific place that's one meter long and 20cm wide,making it unpratical if they were on their back except by crawling under,which most people would honestly be quite afraid of,but that's at least feasible,even if very hard without the gear,because you NEED that inertia to cut the nape.
Also Abberants exist,and if they're is only one at the time you're going out that can move at night,your entire corps get killed.
On top of that,it's been tested on TWO titans that they don't move at night,it would be something quite hard to push onto most people that "yeah sure,don't worry,just go kill yourself in the dark with a torch,everything is alright"

 No.9991

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>>9990
>they don't have actual lights
<That feel when these retards make pneumatic grappling systems but can't create a fucking flashlight or independent flares
the sheer STATE of these idiots.
>hard to push onto most people
these fuckers go on suicide missions all the time and face severe consequences for refusing orders, a night hunt isn't out of the question.
>maneuvering in the dark is hard
then have an elite team train to use them in the dark FFS. You don't have to make this a mainstream method, just use it enough to cull Titan numbers a little.

 No.9993

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>>9989
>>9990
You know when you guys put it like that killing titans shouldnt be complicated in the slightest, eldia is really primitive compared to the rest of the planet especially Marley whom have domesticated pure titans for god knows how long. It makes sense why they had to be protected from the outside world, those idiots would have a better chance of eating or genociding themselves than being genocided by those dumbass pure titans after all all pure titans can realistically do is eat people, that's it
They cant organize themselves
They cant solve basic problems
They cant identify which humans are shifters
They are made of the same shit humans are made of meaning they're combustible and can be easily electrocuted to near death
They arent immune to fall damage
Most cant or simply dont know how to climb or dig
It's like watching an entire civilization lose a war to ordinary predators, youd assume something only fucking cavemen with sticks and stones would need to be scared of, not a society that caused genocides and massive wars around the planet in the name of eldian imperialism, fucking mosquitoes that can transfer malaria to that island feels like a bigger existential threat…

 No.9994

>>9993
the only reason Titans are any threat at all is their insane regeneration and the fact that the 1m area of the nape needs to be totally cut out to permanently deleto them because (spoilers) that's the area of the actual human part's in the Titans - the head to be exact.

Also add to all this - Titans are literally lighter than they physically should be, as the head of a 3m Titan could be kicked by a tteenage girl like a football (soccerball), so technically a basic set of mines could knock Titans off their feet and on the ground people can pin them and cut out that nape.

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>>9994
Lmao that makes this ending even better. Eren is a piece of shit ethnocentritst that advocates for genocide and imperialism even after seeing what happens when eldians received it and fucked over the planet for nothing, hallucinagenia is destroyed and humanity is more advanced than ever with jets, nukes, and the powers of industrial society means 139.5 means fucking nothing. Eldia is destroyed and so are titans forever ahahahahahahaha

 No.10000

>>9999
Nice quads. It gets better, the Attack Titan can change time so theoretically they shouldn't have been able to lose simply by changing history until things go their ay.

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>>10000
Kek and when you consider that the technological advancements humanity made in 139.5 it would mean that even if that kid inherited all the titan powers he'd get bombed to smithereens and killed instantly before even having a chance to kill anyone lmaoooooooo

 No.10411

>Flashgitz does it again
The sheer irony of this.

 No.10415

About to finish AoT. Never been sensitive but felt disgusted watching this. What started as good horror turn out to be hilarious nazi apology and rightoid wet dream. Whole show is about genetically different race of super warriors who's being hated by whole world for being too cool and powerful. Which is obvious allegories for Japan Empire and somewhat Nazi Germany. So this race is so baddass it even conceded out of mercy after conquering other races. And other races are so weak they had to use those super people for their wars. What in real life is persecution for war crimes, here is portrayed as blind and wrong discrimination, even tho crimes are not denied. By the end plot comes down to whitewashing literal nationalism. Can't believe this got so much praise.

 No.10919

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>writes fic showing the horrors of militarism and nationalism
>writes ending that justifies and glorifies a genocidal "nationalist"

welp i guess isayama is a clown

 No.10922

>>10919
I think he never meant to demonstrte the horrors but rationalize them

 No.10930

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>>10922
he rationalized them by showing the horrors of it.
his argument was basically if one side engages nationalism and militarism marley then other nation will also engage in that in retaliation and thus cause tragedy in a massive scale. Aka a cycle of violence that is better to never start in the first place.

The problem is though he ends up saying that tfascism was justified with the fucking paradis getting destroyed ending. In other words, eren was justified in genociding the world, because if he didnt paradise would get destroyed. Now of course this isnt nescarrily bad if eren ends up being demonized by his friends family and huge portions of paradis, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT LARGE PORTIONS OF HIS FAMILY AND PARADIS WORSHIP AND PRAISE HIM. of course it could be that the worship is shown in a horrific way, to show the scary reality that genocidal maniacs sometimes get worshipped by the population that these maniacs lead. The problem is that isayama doesnt even do that, instead the way erens friends praise him as if hes superman sacrificing his life to save the planet. Literally you have magna panels saying eren your a "real man", and thank you for being a genocidal monster for our sake. And this is coming from the character THAT formed a merry little band to oppose erens genocidal plans in the FIRST PLACE.
LIKE WTF

 No.10954

>I never thought he would massacre humanity outside the walls, but…
>If humanity outside the walls would disappear, all the grudges would disappear as well.
>Our enemies who feared our existence would all be crushed flat. Only a brand new plot of land would remain.
>The thing those guys across the ocean feared most has happened.
>Because they decided that we were devils and tried to kill us all.
>In other words, this is the result that those guys across the ocean brought on themselves…
>There was… nothing we could do about it…
>…Right?


I dunno. I hate to endorse genocide but it sounds like eradicating the island would have been the right play at this point.

 No.10963

>>10954
if the only two options were genocide humans outside island vs genocide humans in island, then i would choose the island simply because there are way less people there.

 No.10966

>>10930
I was hoping this series was going the route of Fullmetal.
Sad to see the ending fucking sucks.

 No.11181

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Made an AOT edit, i will just leave it here , hope you engoy it ^^ https://youtu.be/OaLKY2ZyJ-Q

 No.11417

It should have ended with Eren winning and genociding the world but through killing his friends he realises what he was doing was wrong and he tries to fix what he did. The ending we got was a massive cop out.

 No.11482

>>6747
>heard people claim Marx was a fascist and an anti-fash
Kind of a false equivalency.

 No.11487

Are Eldians the Jews or is it the Marleyans?

 No.11489

>>11487
I don't think either are Jews, as pointed out by >>9813 the main allegories are for Japan and China.

 No.11496

>>9670
>this would mean that if you actually got stomped by a titan your chances of surviving would be well above 20%

ii mean this is countered by the fact that realistically you are going to get stomped multiple times

so your chance of surviving is 0

 No.11506

>>11496
Which is why people need to get the vax!!

 No.11510

>>11506 yeah a vax that turns non eldians into titans too

cant hate people if anyone is an evil titan shifter :^)

 No.11813

>>6734

so anime only ending might be real

 No.11817

>>6809
japs are fucking mongs, no wonder they say that shit

 No.12178


 No.12179

>>12178
SO DOES THAT MEAN EREN WILL COMMIT 99 PERCENT GENOCIDE

 No.12328

who else here /marxist-yeagerist/??

 No.12379

you are watching the (part 2) final season of the anime of the decade, right anon?

 No.12386

>>12379
>anime of the decade

<this uygha didnt see the ending didnt he

 No.12387

>>12379
I'm waiting with bated breath to see if Sawano put vocals on the scene of eren screaming about ahually I cared about somebody that disgusted me.


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