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 No.26257

okay straight up why is surgery so expensive
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 No.26258

because healthcare is expensive at every point. Just make healthcare free and cover transition with medicare for all and this awful culture war bullshit can end.
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 No.26259

>>26257
You want to go for the $500 dollar dick chopping?
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 No.26260

>>26257
Healthcare is costly as fuck,and in countries with an healthcare system,sometimes the prices are even worse to basically scam health insurance from the state. (making healthcare costs average at a pretty high number)
A pair of fucking glasses is like 200+ minimum with an insurance and the regular pairs in case you can't have one are 50 max,ridiculous.
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 No.26261

>>26260
the truth is that doctors are the most overpaid, overpriced, and overpriviliged position in the world. Kill all doctors, they're basically landlords but for healthcare.
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 No.26262

>>26261
le anprim has arrive
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 No.26263

>>26261
>stares in Cuba
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 No.26264

>>26263
Cuban and western doctors are completely different. Cuban doctors are public servants, western doctors are bloodsuckers and extortionists.
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 No.26265

>>26261
What does that have to do with making glasses ?
They're made in a factory.
At least put a pot pol pic or something if you wanna do that.
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 No.26266

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>>26262
>le anprim has arrive
Le jellybones soybag has arrived.
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 No.26267

>>26261
>>26264
Extremely based posts. Reminder that doctors have done all of the following:
>institutionalize women and homosexuals
>mass sterilize ethnic minorities
>cut out parts of people's fucking brains to "cure" things like promiscuity
>mutilate newborns' genitals for no good reason (this one is still ongoing)
>murder (through negligence) hundreds of thousands of people a year and get away with it due to bullshit lenient malpractice laws
It's funny that people say "fuck the police" but never say "fuck doctors" even though doctors are objectively and demonstrably responsible for vastly more suffering than the police.
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 No.26268

>>26265
It has more to do with
>Healthcare is costly as fuck
because doctors are greedy assholes who hoard their services and organize in cartels to maximize profit for themselves at the cost of patients and even nurses
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 No.26269

File: 1617807415301.jpg (182.43 KB, 1297x751, Doctors.jpg)

>>26267
>>26261
The problem with doctors isn't that they charge so much, it's that they aren't competent enough to actually heal anyone.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
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 No.26270

>>26268
I actually agree,especially with surgeons,who basically gets a wage huge as fuck for no reason other than to reward 10+ years of studying.
20k per month,really ? is this for the "risk" ?
>organize in cartels
Also get sponsored by big pharma groups to push certains products like homeopathy.
I still think it's too vague to just say it,and if you have some specifics to share,it would be good.
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 No.26273

Why did this get moved to /b/? Is criticizing the capitalist medical system somehow off-topic for /leftypol/?
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 No.26274

>>26270
By cartels I mean stuff like the American Medical Association, which absolutely fits the definition of a cartel
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 No.26275

>>26267
>>institutionalize women and homosexuals
What?
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 No.26276

>>26275
as in lock them up in asylums and put them on mind damaging anti-psychotics
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 No.26277

>>26273
Probably a kneejerk reaction to the OP,somebody can try remaking it but with a better one if they want.
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 No.26278

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 No.26279

>>26275
Homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness, which gave medical "professionals" the leeway to put gay people in mental institutions. The same wasn't exactly true for women obviously, but it's fairly widely recognized that women who subverted the gendered expectations of their time were seen as crazy and were often institutionalized.
https://www.theatlantic.com/sponsored/netflix-2017/how-victorian-women-were-oppressed-through-the-use-of-psychiatry/1607/
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 No.26280

>>26279
Excuse my ESL-ass, anon. I just didn't understand what you said before.
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 No.26282

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>>26273
>Why did this get moved to /b/? Is criticizing the capitalist medical system somehow off-topic for /leftypol/?
Because the main board is for important things like youtuber drama.
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 No.26285

It makes too much sense.Get people to believe that they were "born in the wrong body". Pump their bodies full of hormones and push surgeries to keep people dependant on medicine for life. It's extremely evil.
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 No.26287

>>26285
Selling a solution to a manufactured problem is very porky like.
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 No.26288

>>26285
or they actually are born in the wrong body and these doctors are extorting them for their necessary healthcare, either way doctors are the bad guys
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 No.26291

>>26287
I very much doubt trans people are a "manufactured problem", they've always existed in some form or another, same with gays
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 No.26293

>>26266
Pretty sure that man doesn't eat soy but sure, voltard (or "anprim")
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 No.26295

>>26288
>or they actually are born in the wrong body
Highly dubious take. You are your body, regardless how you turn out.
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 No.26296

>>26295
explain dysmorphia then, without boiling it down to a psyop preferably
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 No.26297

>>26295
I mean,if being "your" body is being a maladjusted mess,I think it's spooky to think they need to stay in it.
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 No.26298

>>26295
>You are your body
What does that mean?
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 No.26299

>>26298
It means you don't have a spooky spirit separate from it
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 No.26300

>>26299
then explain body dysmorphia
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 No.26301

>>26300
If you're trans you'd be happier if I didn't and so would any trans people reading this, so I prefer not to
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 No.26302

>>26297 (me) wait no,I meant to stay in its current state,that's better,because it doesn't imply it's like a robot body you can switch out of.
>>26299
What is "your body" actually,other than just your brain ? at what point would it no longer be "your body" regardless of the changes you made to it,according to your definition ? I'm asking since you seem to be level headed about your answers.
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 No.26303

>>26299
No offense, but that doesn't really much.
If I'm gonna speak personally, what defines (me) as a thinking entity is a cocktail of things including my body, the experiences I went through in my life including those which happened at crucial stages of development and some things that are inherent in me and the way I function as a person. I don't think I can separate any one from the other and call it the real (me).

>>26301
Do it, anon.
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 No.26305

>>26301
I'm not trans, I just want to hear your argument
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 No.26306

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>>26267
It gets worse.
>more than half of all German physicians became early joiners of the Nazi Party, surpassing the party enrollments of all other professions
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 No.26307

>>26302
It's your body
It's your body before any changes and it's your body after any changes
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 No.26308

>>26307
How is that an argument against trans people? They have a body and they want to change it so they're happier
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 No.26309

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>>26297
>if being "your" body is being a maladjusted mess
(Mal)adjustment is a social phenomenon, not biological. That being said, and especially because of this, being a dick to trans people is evil, ultimately aimed at deepening their sorrows, i.e. bullying.
>it's spooky to think they need to stay in it.
The "thing" they are "in" is a social position, not a biological one. It's an arch-conservative ideologeme to naturalize social phenomenon, i.e. "your problems are due to you being born in a certain way."

>>26298
What else are you, in quite literal terms? You are a human body entangled in social relations.

>>26296
>>26300
I disagree with the underlying premises and the pseudo-scientific methodology of the DSM. It's literally biopolitics that some "lefties" accept as progressive. "Disorder, dysfunction, dys/dis-anything" is literally an "authoritarian" sentence masked as science.
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 No.26310

>Appendectomies were created by the capitalism.
Yeah no shit sherlock, the medical field has benefited inmensly from the development of sciense under capitalism in comparisson with feudalism.
The point is to make it benefit the people more and not someone pocket from it. That's why there is so much upheval in some countries when those surgeries are integrated as part of the healthcare plan when some poor fuck dies withouth any healthcare plan.

And that's why I think those surgeries should be paid only, they are aesthetic, not a live or die desicion (unlike heckin appendectomies)
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 No.26311

>>26267
>>26261
>>26264
holy shit, I've never thought about it like that.
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 No.26312

>>26307
Oh,so you were just being picky about terminology,understandable.
>>26308
It's not,obviously,he was just being autistic about use of metaphors.
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 No.26313

>>26273
Instead of criticize the medical for-profit industry in a more idpol free theme, like generic medicaments, this goes more to the trans side, which is a nono for main board. lel
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 No.26314

>>26310
>they are aesthetic, not a live or die desicion
Gonna disagree, many WILL kill themselves if they don't get that surgery
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 No.26315

>>26309
>What else are you, in quite literal terms? You are a human body entangled in social relations.
You said it, anon. I'm a human body, that means I might have some things that are unique to my body which others might not share and which may influence the way I think. Including the brain which is a body part too.
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 No.26316

>>26308
The way people are able to conceptualize unhappiness and solutions to it are already socially and historically conditioned. What will be the first thing these people feeling shitty "in their body" first meet as a socially accepted explanation is 99% of the time what they take as fact. It would take way longer study to understand the actual mechanisms of how psychology works as a for-profit capitalist enterprise and how it compartmentalizes people into these dubious categories.
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 No.26317

>>26315
Epistemology (what you know, what you think you know about anything, incl. your brain) is not biological, you understand that, right? Just because "science" says phlogiston is a thing it doesn't make it so.
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 No.26318

>>26310
>And that's why I think those surgeries should be paid only, they are aesthetic, not a live or die desicion (unlike heckin appendectomies)
How about ALL surgeries being subsidized by the state? I think we're all socialists and we all understand that this is perfectly possible and desirable.
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 No.26319

>>26314
That's the argument from the other side. The mental effect, which is respectable, not gonna lie.

The problem is if you are a third world nation (or a developed one with third world standard of living kek) which one are you going to choose? The free appendectomie or the aesthetic one?
Sadly, 9/10 times one can have everything
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 No.26320

>>26260
>A pair of fucking glasses is like 200+ minimum
https://www.zennioptical.com/

Zenni is still a rip, like all companies they're trying to make a profit, but they are significantly more reasonable then local opticians with their absolute bullshit price tags. The frames are all but worthless and the lenses only cost like 3 bucks for cheap ones to maybe 15 dollars for the highest end, tops. The machines required to shape the lenses are not really all that expensive either, certainly not enough to justify the massive price tag they usually slap on glasses (unless you want to pay off the machine within 2 months and then go on to make pure profit).
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 No.26321

>>26288
Yeah probably not
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 No.26323

>>26317
The dichotomy between the biological and the social is a false dichotomy. What is primarily biological can and will end up influencing the social in a more or less significant way.
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 No.26325

>>26314
The suicide rate is much higher if they go through with the surgery.
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 No.26326

>>26320
>Random burger glasses maker
I wasn't talking about that,I was speaking about my local experience of "free" glasses where the cost is entirely covered by a medical assurance so they charge it stupid amounts on purpose,because it changes nothing for their customers.
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 No.26335

>>26323
Your second sentence,
>What is primarily biological can and will end up influencing the social in a more or less significant way.
(with which I completely agree) does not satisfyingly support your main thesis expressed in your first sentence, that
>The dichotomy between the biological and the social is a
false one.

What you are attempting to do is to completely collapse the social into the biological, which, besides being a conservative ideologeme, quite literally can not be done. Let me give you a simple example, the case of natural languages. For sure, our capacity for language is biologically seated, but this doesn't actually explain the fact that we have hundreds of natural languages with widely differing syntaxes, sets of phonemes used, meaningful morphemes and so on. Clearly, something else is going on here, namely, the relative freedom of the social (language) seated in the rather constrictive human biology.

I would make the argument that as human societies progress, as "shit gets more and more complex" in the sphere of the social, as social relations develop in different way (and in our epoch, into different class societies) its relative freedom gets extended, while, crucially, not extending beyond the boundaries set by biology.
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 No.26337

>>26326
Really I'm just posting it to help out any burgers/leafs who don't have insurance and thus get fucked over by those insurance scam charges. Ideally there would be a better solution then 'buy from this porky instead of that porky because this porky won't fuck you over quite so much' but that's the world we're in.
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 No.26339

>>26335
I do not disagree with you, anon, and I may have overstepped a bit with the second sentence. However, in that light I'd like to hear your explanation of how our conception of gender dysphoria arose in society with regards to biology and culture and how it compares to earlier expressions of the same or similar phenomena.
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 No.26368

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 No.26371

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>>26339
First, I'd like to ask you to read the second pic from >>26309 and then see the attached pics of this post. I'm asking because I think it is crucial to understand "dysmorphia" as one of the series talked about in that post's pic. "Dysmorphia" in etymological terms quite literally means "having a bad/ugly form". Obviously, the first question arises: "badly formed" or "ugly form" according to whose judgement? And from this question arises a second, more systemically inclined question about general human psychology: how does one assess his or her "proper/pretty form," so to speak, if not from society itself?

But this is mere schematism so far (even if a pertinent/satisfactory one, for all intents and purposes), so we need to put it into motion, so to speak. In concrete terms how does the individual come to the realization that he's "formed" in a "sub-optimal" way, that is to say, come to realize that something is "wrong" with him? Allow me to describe two (IMO) typical examples I've seen.

1) The case when the person in question gets constant negative or discouraging feedback from his social surroundings, typically starting from a young age, and typically in institutional settings, such as a school system. For example: a 13 years old boy might get constantly reminded (if not bullied) by his peers about him not being "in accordance" with the "normal" gender stereotypes/stereotypical behavior, e.g. "Tom, you act so girlishly all the time." Now what any society means by "girlish or boyish" behavior is another can of worms I'd like not to open for now, but I think you get the point. This will initially lead our Tom to inquisite into that supposed "normal" and so on, that might leave him concluding that yes, in fact, he does not meet these terms. Upon further investigation he might find out that certain other descriptors (gay, queer, trans, etc.) might more accurately describe his condition being, and at that point he might wish to conform to those stereotypes instead consciously.

2) The case when the person in question doesn't get direct and constant negative or discouraging feedback from his social surroundings, yet feels that nevertheless, something is wrong with »him«. You might think that these two cases are the same essentially, but I'd like to point out that the directionality and causality of these two aren't homologous. A typical example would be a "well adjusted person" (lol, what does that even mean?) finds out in his thirties that "it's just not working," and by "it" here what is meant is him, as a social being. I think that this second example brings out the more "normal" persons ripening in society. As opposed to (1) he didn't get a constant negative feedback, yet, after considerable (personal) time passed, concludes that something is "off."

I'm certain that my two examples don't cover the whole spectrum of the "trans phenomenon" or experience, but that these two examples cover a majority of so called trans-experience. What unites the two is the way the "personal" and the "social" interject, but I believe that these two are already abstract schematism in themselves, which limits could be expressed in the contradictory (social) dichotomy between the "individual" and "society at large". In the first example "society at large" in a normalizing fashion intervened with the individual, forcing him to obey; in the second example the person in question, after finding discord in his personal life, wished to conform to the norms of "society at large."

(This is a rather peculiar and long winded way of mine to underpin the thesis that the "society vs. individual" dichotomy is retarded, since society is constituted by individuals and since individuals are end-results of the society at large, not unlike the "chicken" vs. "egg" problematic, but there you go.)

>how our conception of gender dysphoria arose in society[?]

Given all that has been said above, I'd like to shift this to a more substantive one: how do norms arise, and how does the individual, faced with society at large, which is to say, in a quite literal sense, it's maker, can or would react to this constitutive question? (Constitutive, in the sense of every individual has been molded by its society at large.)

But your question misses the target IMO. Because so far you (maybe someone else ITT – idk, since this is an anonymous forum) have been going on about how "dysmorphia" is a kind of pre-social (i.e. biological) phenomenon, with which I vehemently disagree as somebody who has a communist understanding of social (and therefore individual) ontic constitution. "Gender" – a recently invented (or discovered – depending on your position, really) category that in its original use denoted basically the "way of thinking and acting in a socially determined and/or corresponding way" relating to our underlying sexual dimorphism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism#Humans )…

But to answer this question: "How did it arose?"
Well, how does anything arises regarding "proper" and "improper" social positions? Always in a socially mediated way.

>with regards to biology

Well, this is another topic, isn't it? Because we can more freely talk about sociological shit and its connection to biology now than in, say, feudalism… In fact, I'd say that this "freedom," meaning the very "marking" of one's "gender" or "conformity" couldn't have arisen in the same way in feudalism, slave holding societies, or primitive communism. This is to say that, yes, there is obviously the "biological behind the social" in all of these class configurations, but essentially the relationship which you inquire about is the same.

If you ask me, our current stage of (class-based) development (i.e. capitalism) does two things. On the one hand it marks as """spooky""" "biology-based" prescriptive notions (e.g. "women should…"), since it literally brings out its calculable social components under capitalism, hungry for a working force. On the other hand it literally obliterates really existing biological dependencies of our species, namely the need for intimacy, caress, (to a certain extent biologically determined needs for) child rearing, etc.

>dysphoria arose in society with regards [to] culture and how it compares to earlier expressions [of similar expressions]

I would like to emphasize the fact that cross-developmental comparisons, especially in between different class societies have their obvious limitations.

A neutral example: Althusser talks abut how the "class function" of the medieval priesthood was replaced by the capitalist university system. We get the point: what priests offered as a service to the Monarchy is similar to what the university offers to the capitalists. Still, to equate "feudal priest" with "capitalist professor" in toto would amount to nonsense.

A completely different dialectic is going on if we look at the actual mechanisms going on. This is the reason I'd would advise against "trans people" to look for "ancient trans examples" from history. Inadvertently it WILL end up in ahistoricism and so on, since every period has its very own logic of social reproduction and with it come the unique laws of its development and the relative freedom of the superstructure.

With that concluded I'd like to say 2 last things: 1) stop trying to compare the current "trans phenomenon" to that "unique case of that Roman Emperor who wished to become woman" (Heliogabalus) and its derivatives, because the two don't and can't compare: one is a systemic phenomenon (modern trans), and the other is a quite literal curiosity. (Just look at the numbers, lol.) 2) Try do develop a materialist understanding of said phenomena, or otherwise you'd end up in liberal idealism.

/rant
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 No.26372

>>26309
>I disagree with the underlying premises and the pseudo-scientific methodology of the DSM. It's literally biopolitics that some "lefties" accept as progressive. "Disorder, dysfunction, dys/dis-anything" is literally an "authoritarian" sentence masked as science.
Eugene?
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 No.26373

>thread that could be an interesting discussion of the problems of the medical system turns into a discussion on whether trans people are ~valid~ (uwu)
Sad!
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 No.26375

>>26316
>What will be the first thing these people feeling shitty "in their body" first meet as a socially accepted explanation is 99% of the time what they take as fact.
Most trans people are not told they are trans so this is obviously bs.

>>26316
This is less convincing than someone doing something that then alleviates their suffering, in the face of no other alternatives. Your opinion is weighted against it but you provide no other options to treat dysphoria in your' argument.

>>26314
Yes some anons would just rather not believe it but it's objective fact

>>26325
No

>>26371
>I'm asking because I think it is crucial to understand "dysmorphia
This is about gender dysphoria not dysmorphia
>but that these two examples cover a majority of so called trans-experience
No these are just to made up people in your' head
>>how our conception of gender dysphoria arose in society[?]
Given all that has been said above, I'd like to shift this to a more substantive one
No.

>But your question misses the target IMO

You can't just dismiss someones question and make up your own
>have been going on about how "dysmorphia" is a kind of pre-social (i.e. biological) phenomenon
If you are talking about gender dysphoria again there is evidence that it is a biological phenomena, I can expound upon this in another post.
>Well, how does anything arises regarding "proper" and "improper" social positions?
This seeks only to muddy the waters further

>>with regards to biology

Well, this is another topic, isn't it?
No

This is a very complicated and indirect answer to a somewhat less complicated question

Also I am not the poster you were replying to
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 No.26376

>>26372
>if I grab a sentence out of context can it be attributed to [E-CELEB IDIOT NO.2425]?
no.
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 No.26377

>>26375
Can a feral, as in raised by wolves no language, child be trans?
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 No.26378

>>26376
haha you gotta admit it's the sort of thing he rants about though

>>26377
It's a good question, I would imagine yes since dysphoria over one's physical appearance is a thing and there are incongruencies in the sexing of trans people's brains that might account for dysphoria symptoms. No doubt social factors impact the condition in some way though.
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 No.26379

>>26257
>>26319
>>26378
Think about it in psychoanalytic terms, the ideal ego of a person with gender dysphoria is an idealized version of themselves as the opposite sex. Later in life, they take the position of the ego-ideal and find that their real characteristics don't match up to their imagined ideal self. This explains the final treatment for gender dysphoria, which is sex reassignment surgery sometimes paired with vaginoplasty or phalloplasty. But this can only be a treatment, never a cure, the facsimile neovagina or the facsimile neopenis can never meet the requirements, both physical (functional) and mental (imaginary) of someone taking the position of the ego-ideal.

P.S. I recommend looking up the actual medical procedures for vaginoplasty and phalloplasty on YouTube, it's very instructive and revealing.
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 No.26381

>>26379
Here are two videos that show both in detail (CONTENT WARNING: GRAPHIC)
>Phalloplasty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdyWZKYm7i8
>Vaginoplasty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMKYSv2ZsjA
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 No.26382

>>26379
>Think about it in psychoanalytic terms
No this is a shakier argument then currently available medical research

>This explains the final treatment for gender dysphoria, which is sex reassignment surgery sometimes paired with vaginoplasty or phalloplasty

Not all trans people get surgery of any kind

>But this can only be a treatment, never a cure, the facsimile neovagina or the facsimile neopenis can never meet the requirements

surgery and HRT are quite effective at alleviating symptoms of dysphoria and distress, more so than any other treatment
>>26381
Why would I want to watch this?
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 No.26383

>>26382
>No this is a shakier argument then currently available medical research
Go back to Reddit. There is no psychological explanation for gender dysphoria, there is no neurological explanation for transsexuality. There is no medical explanation for its origin or its process of development. I suggest using the conceptual framework of psychoanalysis to better understand the phenomenology of the transgender experience.
>Not all trans people get surgery of any kind
This is why I specify SRS as the final treatment, there is nothing more that can be performed medically for someone who has gender dysphoria.
>Why would I want to watch this?
So you can understand what is actually constructed, the point in context of the psychoanalytic explanation is that the construct cannot measure up to the ideal both in physical and mental terms. Physically, people that undergo SRS cannot sexually reproduce, often lack sensation, lack lubrication or depth in the neovaginal canal, lack erection in the neopenis, increased risk of incontinence, and both have higher risk of infection (such as UTI).
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 No.26387

>>26375
>Most trans people are not told they are trans so this is obviously bs.
Literally:
<most "x ppl" are not "told" that they are "x", therefore wrong
(Meaningless horseshit, esp. taking into account what you are replying to, which is much more nuanced.)

>alleviates their suffering, in the face of no other alternatives

You are intentionally avoiding the subject at hand, namely how (social) suffering is socially mediated.
>in the face of no other alternatives
Well, I'm sorry to tell you, that regardless the current social status quo at hand, it literally and by definition can not be "totalitarian" in the sense of controlling and directing all "alternatives," so your take is just pure cope.
>you provide no other options to treat dysphoria
My argument is that "dyshphoria" as a category is totally authoritarian and biopolitcal, tied to the capitalist realist system. For you, to level at me this accusation that >I< don't provide a solution doesn't make the """solution""" provided by the status quo more viable or just, for that matter.

>This is about gender dysphoria not dysmorphia

Essentially the same. You feel bad in your position – we get it.

>made up people in your' head

This could be a valid argument if you actually cared to list the counter examples you supposedly have… Why didn't you, tho?

>No.

Yes. (srsly, are we at kindergarten level here?)

>gender dysphoria again there is evidence that it is a biological phenomena

As I said again and again, there is a heavy push from DSM and "LGBTQ" NGOs to make the claim that the "brain is gendered" (which is, BTW, universally understood to be a reactionary POV from Marxist biologists like Gould, Rose, et al.)

>Also I am not the poster you were replying to

You responded to like 15% of what was said, mind you, and you responded with outright denial or a "no, u" attitude, so how do you exactly wish to go on with this, comrade?
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 No.26388

>>26257
Cuba provides free hormones and maybe even transition surgery, but in order to become full on communism, they'll have to develop forced feminization protocols
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 No.26392

Just popping in to say that facial feminization surgery is more important than srs because people see your face in public, not your dick. Being an ugly tranny can get you murdered, being a passing girl with a dick gets you killed only on occasion.
Also, only 5-13% of trans women ever get srs.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc6626314/
There is literally nothing wrong with hormone therapy or face feminization surgery
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 No.26394

>>26296
Like many other modern mental ailments, largely a product of the glorification of selfish behavior
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 No.26400

>>26392
>Just popping in to say
no.

either engage the thread or fuck off
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 No.26424

>>26379
I would personally clab a shovel in Freud head if I could. Psychoanalisis is a scam,
>>26373
SAD! x2
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 No.26431

>>26424
>Psychoanalisis is a scam
This would logically lead to you taking your meds, btw.
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 No.26433

i love when I black the fuck out as an alcoholic, wake up from my stupor, look at the thread I was engaging previously, remember nothing, yet see myself dominating the fucking morons who didn't even put on a challenge
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 No.26498

>>26257
Explain why they existed in East Germany and in Cuba today
>inb4 muh revisionism
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 No.26504

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being beautiful costs money and its worth every cent
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 No.26542

>>26400
Nice argument fag
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 No.26688

>>26383
>There is no psychological explanation for gender dysphoria, there is no neurological explanation for transsexuality. There is no medical explanation for its origin or its process of development. I suggest using the conceptual framework of psychoanalysis to better understand the phenomenology of the transgender experience.
No retard.
>This is why I specify SRS as the final treatment, there is nothing more that can be performed medically for someone who has gender dysphoria.
Many if not a majority of trans people do not wish to have srs. It usually doesn't matter as much as other aspects of gender incongruency and it's not like people can tell what you have in your' pants
>the point in context of the psychoanalytic explanation
No I'm not watching medical gore just to try and better understand pseudoscience. I can just google what possible complications there are anyways.
>>26387
><most "x ppl" are not "told" that they are "x", therefore wrong
Yes.
>which is much more nuanced.)
No it's just mincing words.
> how (social) suffering is socially mediated.
You are showcading this yourself, acting as "sceptic" to people taking the only option available to them.
>"totalitarian" in the sense of controlling and directing all "alternatives," so your take is just pure cope.
What the fuck are you talking about?
>My argument is that "dyshphoria" as a category is totally authoritarian and biopolitcal, tied to the capitalist realist system.
Okay that's not true though.
>As I said again and again, there is a heavy push from DSM and "LGBTQ" NGOs to make the claim that the "brain is gendered"
Cobspiratorial thinking, trans people have existed since the dawn of recorded history and there is more money behind social conservatism anyways. It's more likely you believe transgender people are a psyop because of influence from conservative ngos.
>(which is, BTW, universally understood to be a reactionary POV from Marxist biologists like Gould, Rose, et al.)
If that's what they actually think than they very obviously incorrect. Testosterone amd estrogen exposure in the womb effect aspects of gender expression even outside of transgender people.
>You responded to like 15% of what was said, mind you, and you responded with outright denial or a "no, u" attitude, so how do you exactly wish to go on with this, comrade?
I don't i want you to stop spreading misinformation and perhaps to reconsider your beliefs surrounding transgender people
>>26392
This
>>26400
>either engage the thread or fuck off
She did a much better job of presenting an argument and posted evidence to back it up as opposed to you with your' waffling on and relying on pseudoscience to make an incorrect argument.
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 No.26689

>>26257
>>26433
>i love when I black the fuck out as an alcoholic, wake up from my stupor, look at the thread I was engaging previously, remember nothing, yet see myself dominating the fucking morons who didn't even put on a challenge
You are fucking embarassing yourself yet again ginjeet you delusional NPD psycho. No one here is impressed but yourself
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 No.26690

>>26688
>Many if not a majority of trans people do not wish to have srs
I remember being called a transphobe by some retard TRA half a decade ago for daring to suggest surgery isn't neccesary what matters more for treating gender dysphoria is passing in a social context
how times fucking change
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 No.26691

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>>26260
>A pair of fucking glasses is like 200+ minimum
Pol Pot proven correct yet again.
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 No.26692

>>26690
Or you know maybe this is only one person you've talked to
>>26691
Feel like pure shit just want him back /b/ros
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 No.26694

>>26692
That trans rights advocacy around the time was focussed on how trans must have surgery or they will kill themselves based on a list of papers on some idiots blog that kept being pushed by people telling anybody who questioned the neccesity of surgery to educate themselves was just a coinkydink yes?
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 No.26875

>>26694
so now you're talking about some guy's blog?
Why? What's the point?

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