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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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We're going to read and then discuss a book by leftypol's favorite historian: Dominic Losurdo! We'll be reading "Liberalism: A Counter-History" starting next week, October 10, 23:00 UTC. We will be doing Chapter 1 for this first meeting!

Join us on Matrix/Element: https://matrix.to/#/#leftyread:matrix.org

<One of Europe's leading intellectual historians deconstructs liberalism's dark side. In this definitive historical investigation, Italian author and philosopher Domenico Losurdo argues that from the outset liberalism, as a philosophical position and ideology, has been bound up with the most illiberal of policies: slavery, colonialism, genocide, racism and snobbery. Narrating an intellectual history running from the eighteenth through to the twentieth centuries, Losurdo examines the thought of preeminent liberal writers such as Locke, Burke, Tocqueville, Constant, Bentham, and Sieyès, revealing the inner contradictions of an intellectual position that has exercised a formative influence on today’s politics. Among the dominant strains of liberalism, he discerns the counter-currents of more radical positions, lost in the constitution of the modern world order.


Join up! Comfy small group, we have a consistent 2-4 people every meeting, users of all tendencies are welcome



Ooooh maybe interested.

Who are the peeps leading the reading group?


A couple of us on matrix you should join


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Is he critical of Hegel?


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Glad to see reading groups outside of /edu/, lord knows this site needs it


Here's an alternative PDF that might be more readable.


>6 days to read 34 pages
>5.5 pages per day


I would but 23 UTC is super late for me


cant tell if this is good or bad for you


Not reading entire chapters in one sitting definitely hurts your comprehension. Pausing a week between chapters does too. I just can't be bothered to follow such a silly schedule. What's the point of joining a discussion about chapter 2 or 3 when you already finished the book reading in your own tempo, for example? You either spoil it for them or you are bored by them.

In any case, I get why you'd need to schedule it in such a way over the interwebs, but it's less than optimal.


people have lives



So just read it all at once and when we discuss it, give us theoretical spoilers


dropping epub


That's great honey, but it still shouldn't take two months to read a single book.


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Another idea, having read through all of it at first, going chapter by chapter can help you tie the chapter's material to the bigger picture of the whole book.


It's not just reading the book. It's discussing the book chapter by chapter.


I've been in a bunch of reading groups and pushing more than 30 pages a week is when things start to fail. The idea is to show up consistently and reinforce the reading through discussion. Also in addition to having lives people have other reading interests outside of a group.


i did join the matrix and i'm waiting for verification


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>adjust the group to the lowest common denominator


It says "better fewer, but better" not "better none, but perfect"


wow a quote said in a different context by a celebrity

i guess this means entry-level education events should raise their barrier to entry.


Someone is just mad that people are reading but they are giving the thread more attention so whatever lol


>the average communist needs two months to read a book
I mean just admit you are running a kindergarten for developmentally challenged Americans and be done with it.


Since when does communism mean intellectual elitism? Since when is an Albanian bunker enthusiast board a Leninist vanguard party? The snobs in here are sad


>reading a book a month is 'intellectual elitism' now
The average user here spends more time watching youtube videos / Netflix movies a month than reading.


Well, in a way, I'm glad they're wasting their lives here instead of somewhere that matters.


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and according to you the balance should not shift toward reading books


People can't go at full speed. Most of us probably work full time jobs, some probably have kids to take care of. Yeah, bring up your tired trope "uneducated Chinese peasants read Das Kapital in an afternoon between shifts" but the fact is if you make the requirements less harsh more people will take part


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i doubt you have read any remotely dense philosophical work–whether in an academic classroom setting or on your own–if you think moving through a text slowly is poor technique (especially for a reading group that's open to anybody of any proficiency so long as they have free time for it).

Here's the first 9 pages of Kierkegaard's The Sickness Unto Death – what is a 'self', according to him? Shouldn't take you too long to answer


>if you think moving through a text slowly is poor technique
Never even implied this. Besides, Losurdo's historical books aren't dense at all. The densest book I've read from him was his Hegel book and even that wasn't as dense as philosophy proper.

Who the fuck even talked about speed? Nobody will buy that you don't have at least 10-20 hours a week of R&R time to yourself as a Westerner. The fact that you chose to spend it on Netflix instead of reading is a personal choice/priority.

Picrel: you fuckers made me look up the avg. reading speed. You are giving a week for 1-2 hours worth of reading.


>reading speed.
what a dumb measurement.
How does it not depend on WHAT you're reading?


Are there any other left wing reading groups worth joining


Its not just reading, retard, its a discussion of its contents between peers. Its a study. You know, what you are supposed to do when you read shit like this?


Been meaning to give this book a read for a while. Certainly won't be doing so under the auspices of our local corrupt janny patrol though. Naturally, our very sensitive janny corps already deleted this message.


leftypol trying not to shit on users of different levels, interests and timezones trying to educate themselves on a coordinated and serious manner challenge level: impossible


It's just 1 guy shitposting on here, our actual group is very chill.


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>Nobody will buy that you don't have at least 10-20 hours a week of R&R time to yourself as a Westerner.
Reading theory is not "R&R." It's not something you should do half-assed. You should study it, including things taking notes, looking up additional information, references footnotes, and having group discussions. If you read theory like you're reading a novel you fundamentally don't understand the purpose. The reason these groups move "slowly" is not because people can't read faster. It's because people can't discuss faster and can't meet more often than once a week usually.



>implying you'll stop me from reading on the train or bus, taking pictures of useful passages at most and doing nothing more


>Certainly won't be doing so under the auspices of our local corrupt janny patrol though.
Which jannies are involved? You realize sticking a thread doesn't mean they organized it, right?
>Naturally, our very sensitive janny corps already deleted this message.
Obsessed, insane. Meds.
Good post. Slow reading, active discussion, note taking, and talking about individual lines is really good for retention too. If you zoom past a book, you forget it just as fast.


>Obsessed, insane. Meds.
Go gaslight in service of your authority figure somewhere else. I was referencing how one of them deleted the same post from earlier, which I then reposted because it was bullshit. The janny who deleted it is the one who should take some meds, considering how incapable of dealing with criticism they are. Anyway, this isn't a bad idea but not interested in fueling some janny's vanity complex after they put their fingers all over this. After all the crap they've been pulling lately they need to be brought back down to Earth with the rest of us.


off by one, sad
nice post


No one but you has any idea what the fuck you're talking about. Touch grass.


>>adjust the group to the lowest common denominator
"The working class movement has nothing to do with people who work for a living!"
>developmentally challenged Americans
Development = alienation due to capitalism


Obviously the correct way to read is to hunt for paragraphs you can screencap or photograph and then post online to win arguments.


All you mf fighting about pointless shit like "reading time is too long for ME", the time between meetings is long so everyone can plan ahead and attend it after reading thoroughly not because someone is functionally illiterate. I doubt there is someone committed to reading this without the ability to read and make notes on it in under a week.




Damn, just learned from this that even Thomas Paine screamed about the British stirring up the native americans and black people against the colonies


how do these discussions about ze book function? I'm about done with the first chapter and had a good time with it


If you have any comments, questions, or discussion points about a chapter, the thread is a good place to post them so that everyone can see and come into the discussion with those in mind.


1-2 hrs call at the time in the OP, talk about whatever in the Matrix or on here in the interval.


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I see, thanks. Also, wow this complaining about Africans isn't that far removed from /pol/ types whinging about rap


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This book seems extremely stupid, granted I haven't read Locke but it doesn't take a world genius to point out that a political philosophy based on a transhistorical morality would of course be contradictory.

That's like Engel's whole fucking point in Socialism Utopian and Scientific. Hell it's a common reason why people bash on Kant and prefer Hegel.


Same, it's 1 A.M. where I live and I have to go to work the next morning. I'm already reading a couple of books right now so it's alright, I'm going to focus on what I've already started, but keep this in mind next time, 23:00 UTC basically means no one in Europe with a normal sleep schedule is going to join your reading group.


burgers BTFO


>‘The Liverpool Courier, 22 August 1832, estimated that three quarters of Britain’s coffee, fifteen sixteenths of its cotton, twenty two twenty thirds of its sugar, and thirty four thirty fifths of its tobacco were still produced by slaves.’57 In sum, we should bear in mind the candid judgement of two eighteenth century British witnesses. The first, Joshua Gee, acknowledged that ‘[a]ll this great increase in our treasure proceeds chiefly from the labour of negroes in the plantations’.58


wow this book is depressing
whoever came up with "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" really missed the mark
fascists are more like liberals doing what they always did but wearing clown costumes

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