Reading Group for Losurdo! Anonymous 2022-10-04 (Tue) 00:24:08 No. 11777
We're going to read and then discuss a book by leftypol's favorite historian: Dominic Losurdo! We'll be reading "Liberalism: A Counter-History" starting next week,
October 10, 23:00 UTC . We will be doing Chapter 1 for this first meeting!
Join us on Matrix/Element:
https://matrix.to/#/#leftyread:matrix.org Anonymous 2022-10-04 (Tue) 00:46:54 No. 11778
Join up! Comfy small group, we have a consistent 2-4 people every meeting, users of all tendencies are welcome
Anonymous 2022-10-04 (Tue) 17:18:54 No. 11780
Ooooh maybe interested.
Anonymous 2022-10-04 (Tue) 17:20:53 No. 11781
>>11780 A couple of us on matrix you should join
Anonymous 2022-10-04 (Tue) 18:03:18 No. 11783
Is he critical of Hegel?
Anonymous 2022-10-04 (Tue) 18:27:26 No. 11786
>6 days to read 34 pages >5.5 pages per day
Anonymous 2022-10-04 (Tue) 18:30:50 No. 11787
I would but 23 UTC is super late for me
Anonymous 2022-10-04 (Tue) 18:31:30 No. 11788
down
>>11786 cant tell if this is good or bad for you
Anonymous 2022-10-04 (Tue) 18:42:33 No. 11789
>>11788 Not reading entire chapters in one sitting definitely hurts your comprehension. Pausing a week between chapters does too. I just can't be bothered to follow such a silly schedule. What's the point of joining a discussion about chapter 2 or 3 when you already finished the book reading in your own tempo, for example? You either spoil it for them or you are bored by them.
In any case, I get why you'd need to schedule it in such a way over the interwebs, but it's less than optimal.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 01:01:08 No. 11792
>>11789 So just read it all at once and when we discuss it, give us theoretical spoilers
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 01:45:37 No. 11794
>>11790 That's great honey, but it still shouldn't take two months to read a single book.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 02:31:12 No. 11796
>>11792 >>11789 Another idea, having read through all of it at first, going chapter by chapter can help you tie the chapter's material to the bigger picture of the whole book.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 02:31:55 No. 11797
>>11794 It's not just reading the book. It's discussing the book chapter by chapter.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 02:33:02 No. 11798
I've been in a bunch of reading groups and pushing more than 30 pages a week is when things start to fail. The idea is to show up consistently and reinforce the reading through discussion. Also in addition to having lives people have other reading interests outside of a group.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 02:34:11 No. 11799
>>11781 i did join the matrix and i'm waiting for verification
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 02:44:51 No. 11801
>>11800 It says "better fewer, but better" not "better none, but perfect"
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 02:48:45 No. 11802
>>11800 wow a quote said in a different context by a celebrity
i guess this means entry-level education events should raise their barrier to entry.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 02:51:00 No. 11803
>>11802 Someone is just mad that people are reading
but they are giving the thread more attention so whatever lol Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 03:17:05 No. 11804
>>11801 >the average communist needs two months to read a book I mean just admit you are running a kindergarten for developmentally challenged Americans and be done with it.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 03:54:03 No. 11805
Since when does communism mean intellectual elitism? Since when is an Albanian bunker enthusiast board a Leninist vanguard party? The snobs in here are sad
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 04:20:26 No. 11806
>>11805 >reading a book a month is 'intellectual elitism' now The average user here spends more time watching youtube videos / Netflix movies a month than reading.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 04:22:47 No. 11807
>>11805 Well, in a way, I'm glad they're wasting their lives here instead of somewhere that matters.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 04:32:22 No. 11809
>>11806 People can't go at full speed. Most of us probably work full time jobs, some probably have kids to take care of. Yeah, bring up your tired trope "uneducated Chinese peasants read Das Kapital in an afternoon between shifts" but the fact is if you make the requirements less harsh more people will take part
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 04:41:12 No. 11810
>>11804 i doubt you have read any remotely dense philosophical work–whether in an academic classroom setting or on your own–if you think moving through a text slowly is poor technique (especially for a reading group that's open to anybody of any proficiency so long as they have free time for it).
Here's the first 9 pages of Kierkegaard's
The Sickness Unto Death – what is a 'self', according to him? Shouldn't take you too long to answer
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 05:26:04 No. 11811
>>11810 >if you think moving through a text slowly is poor technique Never even implied this. Besides, Losurdo's historical books aren't dense at all. The densest book I've read from him was his Hegel book and even that wasn't as dense as philosophy proper.
>>11809 >speed Who the fuck even talked about speed? Nobody will buy that you don't have at least 10-20 hours a week of R&R time to yourself as a Westerner. The fact that you chose to spend it on Netflix instead of reading is a personal choice/priority.
Picrel: you fuckers made me look up the avg. reading speed. You are giving a week for 1-2 hours worth of reading.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 08:38:14 No. 11812
>>11811 >reading speed. what a dumb measurement.
How does it not depend on WHAT you're reading?
psued.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 10:39:55 No. 11813
Are there any other left wing reading groups worth joining
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 11:05:00 No. 11814
>>11794 Its not just reading, retard, its a discussion of its contents between peers. Its a study. You know, what you are supposed to do when you read shit like this?
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 19:12:55 No. 11815
Been meaning to give this book a read for a while. Certainly won't be doing so under the auspices of our local corrupt janny patrol though. Naturally, our very sensitive janny corps already deleted this message.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 21:35:09 No. 11816
leftypol trying not to shit on users of different levels, interests and timezones trying to educate themselves on a coordinated and serious manner challenge level: impossible
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 21:39:00 No. 11817
>>11816 It's just 1 guy shitposting on here, our actual group is very chill.
Anonymous 2022-10-05 (Wed) 21:45:58 No. 11818
>>11811 >Nobody will buy that you don't have at least 10-20 hours a week of R&R time to yourself as a Westerner. Reading theory is not "R&R." It's not something you should do half-assed. You should study it, including things taking notes, looking up additional information, references footnotes, and having group discussions. If you read theory like you're reading a novel you fundamentally don't understand the purpose. The reason these groups move "slowly" is not because people can't
read faster. It's because people can't
discuss faster and can't meet more often than once a week usually.
Anonymous 2022-10-06 (Thu) 08:44:19 No. 11820
>>11815 >Certainly won't be doing so under the auspices of our local corrupt janny patrol though. Which jannies are involved? You realize sticking a thread doesn't mean they organized it, right?
>Naturally, our very sensitive janny corps already deleted this message. Obsessed, insane. Meds.
>>11818 Good post. Slow reading, active discussion, note taking, and talking about individual lines is really good for retention too. If you zoom past a book, you forget it just as fast.
Anonymous 2022-10-06 (Thu) 09:00:41 No. 11821
>>11820 >Obsessed, insane. Meds. Go gaslight in service of your authority figure somewhere else. I was referencing how one of them deleted the same post from earlier, which I then reposted because it was bullshit. The janny who deleted it is the one who should take some meds, considering how incapable of dealing with criticism they are. Anyway, this isn't a bad idea but not interested in fueling some janny's vanity complex after they put their fingers all over this. After all the crap they've been pulling lately they need to be brought back down to Earth with the rest of us.
Anonymous 2022-10-06 (Thu) 09:01:50 No. 11822
>>11820 off by one, sad
nice post
Anonymous 2022-10-06 (Thu) 09:15:43 No. 11823
>>11821 No one but you has any idea what the fuck you're talking about. Touch grass.
Anonymous 2022-10-06 (Thu) 14:53:32 No. 11824
>>11800 >>adjust the group to the lowest common denominator "The working class movement has nothing to do with people who work for a living!"
>>11804 >developmentally challenged Americans Development = alienation due to capitalism
Anonymous 2022-10-06 (Thu) 15:08:18 No. 11825
>>11819 Obviously the correct way to read is to hunt for paragraphs you can screencap or photograph and then post online to win arguments.
Anonymous 2022-10-06 (Thu) 16:55:29 No. 11826
All you mf fighting about pointless shit like "reading time is too long for ME", the time between meetings is long so everyone can plan ahead and attend it after reading thoroughly not because someone is functionally illiterate. I doubt there is someone committed to reading this without the ability to read and make notes on it in under a week.
Anonymous 2022-10-07 (Fri) 11:58:22 No. 11827
Bumperino
Anonymous 2022-10-07 (Fri) 15:33:58 No. 11828
Damn, just learned from this that even Thomas Paine screamed about the British stirring up the native americans and black people against the colonies
Anonymous 2022-10-07 (Fri) 19:54:21 No. 11829
how do these discussions about ze book function? I'm about done with the first chapter and had a good time with it
Anonymous 2022-10-07 (Fri) 20:20:05 No. 11830
>>11829 If you have any comments, questions, or discussion points about a chapter, the thread is a good place to post them so that everyone can see and come into the discussion with those in mind.
Anonymous 2022-10-07 (Fri) 20:25:16 No. 11831
>>11829 1-2 hrs call at the time in the OP, talk about whatever in the Matrix or on here in the interval.
Anonymous 2022-10-08 (Sat) 11:01:57 No. 11834
>>11787 Same, it's 1 A.M. where I live and I have to go to work the next morning. I'm already reading a couple of books right now so it's alright, I'm going to focus on what I've already started, but keep this in mind next time, 23:00 UTC basically means no one in Europe with a normal sleep schedule is going to join your reading group.
Anonymous 2022-10-16 (Sun) 20:39:32 No. 11876
>‘The Liverpool Courier, 22 August 1832, estimated that three quarters of Britain’s coffee, fifteen sixteenths of its cotton, twenty two twenty thirds of its sugar, and thirty four thirty fifths of its tobacco were still produced by slaves.’57 In sum, we should bear in mind the candid judgement of two eighteenth century British witnesses. The first, Joshua Gee, acknowledged that ‘[a]ll this great increase in our treasure proceeds chiefly from the labour of negroes in the plantations’.58
Anonymous 2022-10-25 (Tue) 01:54:24 No. 11927
wow this book is depressing
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