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 No.8813

Is their any material based on actual science that covers the topic of dysgenics, either in a way that is supportive of criticizing the concept. I want to know but no one but /pol/ talks about this really interesting concept. For those who don't know what the concept is, it is a theory that in modern society their is an evolutionary selection pressure that results in humans with lower intelligence having more kids on average then those with higher intelligence. According to this theory this results in a future humanity that is less intelligent (on average) and will eventually become to dumb to invent and maintain technology. This will cause an unavoidable collapse in industrial civilization resulting in a return to the per-modern world. This proposition is very anti-political because under a capitalist, socialist, or some other mode of production, this collapse is still inevitable. Especially if society is under other existential threats such as global warming, pollution, peak oil, or total war between powerful states. In this light dysgenics is the ultimate blackpill.
Anyways I'm looking for literature about this topic that doesn't have dumb rants about "Muh n*ggers."

 No.8816

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>>8813
Intelligence tests indicate that average population intelligence might have increased over the last century.
These tests are very flawed and should not be taken as scientific evidence, but it might be good enough for trend observations. The assumed explanation for this rise is better nutrition and more intellectually stimulating environments.

Intelligence is not self defeating from an evolutionary perspective. Stephen Hawkins for example, was a very intelligent physicist, but he couldn't have survived in any other period of history, because it took a lot of technology to keep him going, proving that intelligent people create a world that benefits the survival of intelligent people.

Capitalism is probably trying to commodify the general intellect, (humanities collective knowledge and technical know how) and that could fracture the knowledge base and cause a decline in the technological level. There might be a counteracting force, if capitalist governments become too tyrannical with persecuting bogus thought crimes like "intellectual property" they will undermine their power and influence by hampering their technical base that is the foundation of projecting influence. So that free and open knowledge system always win over closed ones.

About the biological factors, there are statistical factors at play. If you have a large population size, your chances of having a lot of intelligent people rises as well. Increasing the population size is a more effective way of increasing the absolute number of intelligent people than any kind of eugenics program, where you kill off or sterilize un-inteligent people. What counts for technological progress is the absolute number of intelligent people working towards advancing the means of production , not the ratio of intelligent people in the population.

Eugenics is a dumb idea because, if you propose weeding out the "low quality people" it's in the interest of everybody to kill you off preemptively, because you are telling everybody that you are a potential risk to their survival or evolutionary success. Nobody will believe any test scores you come up with and instead attribute a bad result to malicious intentions or incompetence on your part. Most people will agree to kill off the guy who might be questioning their right to live or have kids. Don't be that guy.

Over a very long time of technologically progressing societies will figure out how intelligence works on a biological level, and then they can utilize this to devise methods of improving the intelligence of all the dumb people around them. I don't know if there are intelligence genes, but lets assume there are genetic sequences you can modify to make a person more intelligent. If scientists figure this out people will line up to have their intelligence enhanced as well as those of their kids. That would mean that in the long run intelligence genes will find a way to spread without sex/heredity.

 No.8818

>>8816
>Intelligence tests indicate that average population intelligence might have increased over the last century.
this is because of environmental factors which doesn't disprove a reduction of human genetic quality
>If you have a large population size, your chances of having a lot of intelligent people rises as well.
Larger societies also need more engineers, doctors, bureaucrats, teachers, planners and highly specialized industrial workers, in fact large societies have much higher amounts of division and specialization of labor, which require more and more education to train.
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Eugenics is a dumb idea because, if you propose weeding out the "low quality people" it's in the interest of everybody to kill you off preemptively, because you are telling everybody that you are a potential risk to their survival or evolutionary success. Nobody will believe any test scores you come up with and instead attribute a bad result to malicious intentions or incompetence on your part. Most people will agree to kill off the guy who might be questioning their right to live or have kids. Don't be that guy.
Thats the thing, their really isn't a solution to this crisis, just a slow unavoidable slip to doom.


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