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 No.9069

I finished reading Eugene Kamenka's Marxism and Ethics earlier this week and I found it so interesting.
There are two big thesis that stuck with me from the book:
Marxism can be seen as an ethical system that is not concern about good or evil, right and wrong but about alienation and liberation.
If moral system stem from material conditions that can be seen in soviet history, during the revolution soviet thinkers denounced many ethical ideas as bourgeois and celebrated revolutionary violence but after WWII when eastern socialist countries became prosperous and estable ideas that were denounced as bourgeois returned to ethical discourse.

Honestly the book doesn't answer the question of what marxist ethics are or what ethical system is more compatible with marxism but shows really well how ethics can be understood as how the conditions of a society understand the meaning of their actions.
Kamenka has another book on ethics and I wish to read it next.

This thread isn't just about Kamenka's book, I want us to talk about ethics in general and how they relate to marxism.

 No.9071

Outside of religion, is it possible to believe there is such thing as objective morality?

 No.9072

>>9069
moral codes come in several varieties:

Social rules that work, with reasons lost to time, maintained with stories.

negotiation/bargaining with ruling classes, subjects accept the ruler with the condition of adhering to moral codes.

you could try to interpret Marxist policies as morals. It would be moral rules for the optimizations of society, banning the exploitation of workers for profits will lead to more economic success, because the contradictions of capitalism reduce it's economic efficiency.

Morals however are very limited, because it can only be social norms ,which are hard to enforce and also limited in scope and complexity. Our goal should be to change the economic system, rather than social norms, because the economic system is the much more powerful and influential layer in society.

 No.9073

>>9071
Of course not!
>>9072
Morals are not ethics, plain morals lack a reasoning for their conclusions.

 No.9102

badiou's ethics comes close

 No.9103


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