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 No.22597

who are they making these gpus for? ps5 is 500 dollars why the fuck would someone pay triple the price to play the same games with minimal differences in graphics?
wtf is nvidia thinking

 No.22598

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Fuck these greedy bastards

 No.22599

>who are they making these gpus for?
bitcoin miners these days

 No.22603

It seems terrible. And they have low memory too so no ML stuff.

 No.22605

Buy AMD then

 No.22606

>>22598
Isn't this just the flagship line though that is like 10% more capable than the lower model but 50% more expensive?

 No.22609

GPUs are now means of production and priced as such.

 No.22611

i was rdy to buy the 4070 but got priced out lmao

 No.22612

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Can't wait to pay out almost two grand so I can finally play…
<Cyberpunk 2077
<Ubishit
<CoD game number 3002
<shallow bug-ridden incomplete AAA game for the current year
I mean I can play these games now anyway but without the new card I won't be able to see
<sort of clearer reflections in a puddle
<details in a cloud no one ever looks at
<an extra three pixels in a muzzle flash

 No.22617

>too expensive for proles to buy even though they made the cards
the contradictions of capitalism…
>>22612
lmao. yet another reminder that you should never buy a new card unless the games that you want to play refuse to run at a stable 60fps on your current one. who even gives a fuck about meme "features" like ray tracing that add some reflections at the cost of 2.5x the processing power required to render them?

 No.22619

The only reason to upgrade from a 30XX series is if you are stupid or desperate. The last generation at least had a significant shift in infrastructure to justify the steep price, as you were paying both for the hardware and implementation compatibility. This one? Nah, wait until it drops in a couple of months.

 No.22620

Buy AMD if you're so butthurt over NVIDIA pricing

 No.22622

Waiting for cheap chinese gpus

 No.22632

>>22620
why are you seething over people seething over nvidia's price gouging?

 No.22633

>>22609
you talking about movies or…?

 No.22637

Here's a theory. Elites of all ideologies realized that it could eventually be destabilizing for populations to individually possess the raw processing power of modern graphics cards. They acted to correct this and remove even the expectation of possessing cards that increase in computing power year on year.

You may possess hobbled gaming cards that can only game of course, when they regain total control of the market.

 No.22638

>>22637
I wouldn't rule it out, but what can common folk do with powerful graphic cards?
What are they keeping out of our reach?

 No.22646

>>22637
What you say makes some sense, the neo-liberals seem to have a tendency to fuck with personal stuff, but China is currently setting up their own large scale GPU manufacturing, and they do not care about personal processing at all. They call the western obsession of regulating the minutia in personal live as the attempt to smooth little waves on a pond or combing the gras. So if what you say is true that will create a big hole that will be filled by Chinese gpus. If gpus are really going to become this hot item, there's no stopping people from finding a way to get them.

Where i disagree with you is that 400+ watt gpus should be normalized. People are putting 1500 watt power-supplies in their desktop computers. That's the same power as a room heater. Computers rarely draw full power, usually computers will at most pull 50-80% of their nominal power-rating, but even so, the heat-output is getting impractical for living spaces. After a few hours of gaming you will have to crack a window even in cold weather. People living in warm climate will need a dedicated AC unit for their pc. Desktop computers used to run on 350-450 Watt power supplies. I think that was sufficient. You should be able to get on-chip-power-draw of 80-90 Watts for a cpu and 120-150 watts for a gpu with that. That should be plenty. Just think of house holds that have multiple PCs running at the same time.

That said we could go into a direction where we put a little mainframe in every home, but then we have to start integrating with central heating. Because at higher power levels we have to start thinking about thermal efficiency more seriously. People could put a server rack next to their warm-water-boiler and a heat-pump would be cooling the computers while at the same time adding heat to the water boiler.

Regarding dedicated gpu-cards going away. I don't know about that. Having separate components is nice because it allows people to match the computer for their use-case. Modularity creates better value. But it's also normal that specialized functionality gets integrated over time. In the past there were separate cards for sound-adapters, network-adapters, mass-storage-interfaces, usb-ports and more. It used to be normal to put a bunch of co-processors into computers even separate video decoder cards, and game-physics cards did exist at some point. I would not be too worried about GPUs getting integrated into the CPU package.

>You may possess hobbled gaming cards that can only game of course

Yeah if they remove the generalized compute functionality that would become rather annoying. You would have to use an extra interpretation layer to use gaming instructions as generalized compute instructions. People used to do that, before video cards had generalized compute instructions added to their chip architecture. It had a 20% overhead penalty. Capitalism getting overthrown because somebody realized the bourgeoisie was costing them 20% performance would be funny though.

 No.22647

>>22612
This guy gets it

 No.22650

>>22638
It's probably something as stupid as crypto.

 No.22656

>>22633
The high end consumer grade GPUs can be used for 3d rendering or """machine learning""" though they lack the memory and display outputs of professional grade cards. Professional grade cards like the A6000 have an MSRP between $5000 and $7000. Companies who need GPUs but want to cheap out can buy 3090s or 4090s instead.

 No.22664

Does an RX6600XT at near 350 dollaridoos with taxes seem like a good price?
The doubt and the know that prices may keep crashing are like hell

 No.22665

>>22646
>What you say makes some sense, the neo-liberals seem to have a tendency to fuck with personal stuff, but China is currently setting up their own large scale GPU manufacturing, and they do not care about personal processing at all. They call the western obsession of regulating the minutia in personal live as the attempt to smooth little waves on a pond or combing the gras. So if what you say is true that will create a big hole that will be filled by Chinese gpus. If gpus are really going to become this hot item, there's no stopping people from finding a way to get them.

Maybe China doesn't want individuals to possess networked high powered parallel compute units either.

>>22656

>The high end consumer grade GPUs can be used for 3d rendering or """machine learning""" though they lack the memory and display outputs of professional grade cards.


Couldn't there be some killer app discovered, some kind of unintended consequence of having a massive high speed citizen network of ML compute nodes? It seems like any government would want to restrict that.

The expectation that cards with year on year performance increases would be cheaply and widely available has been removed.

The idea of hobbled cards good only for gaming has been normalized.

 No.22666

>>22664
It's a good enough price
If the prices keep falling you can always buy second one

 No.22701

i constantly her about 1080ti owners how they bought it and are set for life still,

i don't know what was special about it, but are there any on the market right now that are special?

you know how companies sometimes end up making good products that they have to make the newer ones with defects

 No.22702

>>22612
>this kills the tech enthusiast consumer
seriously i don't even notice the RTX shit they keep shilling in promo posts I recently saw on the new spider-man game

 No.22710

>>22701
No and you are better off buying cheaper cards every certain number of years rather than a high end card that quickly becomes obsolete. The ultra expensive cards tend to not have a very good price/performance ratio and often draw a lot of power that will cost you if you pay your power bill.
Anon what screen/vr and applications are you using? You are better off buying a card that can run the games you want at the settings you want on the screen you will want to use, for a period of a few years or however long, and then upgrade the card later on (or get another for crossfire/sli) when you want to run newer games or get a higher resolution screen.

 No.22711

>>22646
>They call the western obsession of regulating the minutia in personal live as the attempt to smooth little waves on a pond or combing the grass.
Idealism

 No.22714

>>22710
im gonna get the most energy efficient cheap GTX card

my options are 1650/1660 and their super variants or an RTX 2060/3050

Going over this just seems like waste of money to me

Yeah your approach seems best, the new Nvidi cards seem to have DLSS3 but soon enough in some years they'll pass down

Doesn't seem like a must have

Which one of the above cards will be decent enough for VR/and editing?

 No.22717

>>22599
AI training is big now too

 No.22720

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>>22665
>Maybe China doesn't want individuals to possess networked high powered parallel compute units either.
No they really don't care , because as proper Marxists they know that true power resides in controlling the productive forces that make these microchips. The compute units are just commodities. The Neo-liberals are just going to fuck up product competitiveness with their shenanigans. If they do end up crippling western-designed compute cards because they fight this imaginary boogieman, we're all going to end up with Chinese brands like MTT. That's the material reality.

>>22711
>Idealism
it's a neo-liberal pathological drive to intervene in trivial personal matters of other people. it's one of their weaknesses.
It really is stupid to smooth tiny ripples on a lake.

 No.22752

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>>22612
I buy the newest video card so I can tend to my fortress without worrying about rapidly expanding cat population in Dwarf Fortress

 No.22783

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/graphics-card-power-consumption-tested

According to this, The GTX 1660 Super seems to be the most affordable, efficient GPU

If I get a job, 3-5 months of saving will give me enough to buy it


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