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Is metal gear solid a leftwing series of games?

I ask this question because there are multiple videos made by the Kavernacle that say that this game series is socialist

I played mgs2 and mgs3 and mgrr, but I was getting mixed messages from the games, and I think that they were not fully leftist games.

For example, Inside of Revengeance when during the final fight with Armstrong, the "Standing Here" song plays, it essentially equivocates an ancap fascist with raiden, and tries to say that the two would both agree when their guard is down.

That is essentially the game saying that "both sides bad", which is a centrist idea.

Maybe Kojima is a left leaning liberal, but I have doubts about him being a socialist.


While Metal Gear is critical of the military industrial complex, it’s not directly anti-capitalist (it’s mostly a matter of interpretation). The only game that was the closest to a Marxist analysis was MGS4 with the war economy and how self-destructive the system is. I agree that Kojima is not a socialist, he’s a Hollywood otaku after all.


they're making an equivalency about using violence as a means to an end,but they're not making a moral argument about it (which most of the time goes hand in hand in story) since you just crush his fucking heart and in the epilogue he decide to become more proactive about "justice" because he accepted the violence in him and use it for good.
Raiden is never stated to be a bad person or doing the wrong thing at any point in MGR from what I remember.
I feel like either I misunderstood it or you jumped the gun because you assumed it was the typical moralism."we will both agree that violence begets violence,but in the end it has to be this way" doesn't sound like a critic to me.


okay this makes more sense


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Did he do anything wrong?
He and Liquid might have been misguided assholes, but his raid on Big Shell/Arsenal is the closest anyone ever got to defeating the Patriots before they ended up creating their wartorn hellworld dystopia that Snake and Raiden created by being useful idiots.


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Using child soldiers for your philosophy experiment probably counts as something wrong.

That said, he would've had a much better chance by properly teaming up with Solid Snake (even if it was a temporary alliance) than he likely ever was with Ocelot - if he burnt the bridge with Ocelot after taking Big Shell and teamed up with Solid Snake, I think that Solidus would've had a much better chance at actually beating the Patriots, at the cost of crippling the US and basically creating a CoD plot (Soviet resurrectionists dealing a crippling surprise blow against the United States as a surprise tactic and waging war against the US using advanced technology). And to boot I would think that they would have to coup a large government's power base to wage such a war - if Gurlukovich Sr. was still alive, couping Russia would seem very plausible, but Ocelot kills that very early on. Olga was compromised by the Patriots and was non-viable for that task, and Dead Cell is mostly a group of schizophrenics who were at that point mostly dead. Solidus had far too few connected and powerful allies that he could trust in positions of leadership or as power brokers in his absence. Basically everyone betrays him in the end, either out of being compromised from the Patriots or because they were double-crossing him from the beginning.

In the long run, Ocelot's strategy of an army without a state (diet Outer Heaven) made a lot more sense for anti-Patriot action, and Solidus would only have a fraction of that power with the Gurlukovich mercs, even with their Arsenal Tengu getups (which would pretty quickly be surpassed by the FROG units and other cybernetic special forces as the Patriots rolled out the full war economy).


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Also a completely unrelated aside, while looking for Tengu fanart I found a Tengu skin you could use while playing GTA: Vice City



It's like a Joe Rogan guy leftist critique of imperialism, dumb and schizo as hell but it's close enough
>Set in 1975, a few months after the events of Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker, the story follows Snake as he infiltrates an American black site in Cuba called Camp Omega, attempting to rescue Cipher agent Paz Ortega Andrade and former Sandinista child soldier Ricardo "Chico" Valenciano Libre.

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