No.3291[Last 50 Posts]
I'm making this thread here, because the other boards are practically dead. If a mod chooses to move it to /hobby/, that's cool, I just wanted some exposure on /leftypol/.
As you might now, chess played a large role in the Soviet Union. They outright dominated the game for decades and it was commonly played ever since the inception of the union.
I think chess does possess the potential to develop and train the strategic thinking skills of players, if they abstract from the game and attempt to apply it to the real world.
But it's also a fun game. Because of that I made a /leftypol/ club on chess.com, which is a great website with a nice UI and plenty of resources to learn and improve at chess. I've been using it for months now and got far better at chess and I even do the puzzles on it for fun every day. The way the website is designed makes learning chess and improving really, really easy. Making an account is free and would be quick. I know this sounded like an ad, lol.
So, I'm inviting you comrades to start learning chess or improve whatever skill level you are at and join the /leftypol/ chess club. We could play against each other. Perhaps even organize tournaments. I think it would be really cool if we could get something like this going and make it the community wide hobby. If only 3 people join that would be good enough honestly.
definitely belongs to hobby, never been that good at it, but really would like to get into it.
Yeah, I can recommend the site for that. They have chronologically ordered lessons with videos and related tests to make you apply what you've just watched. They also give you statistical feedback to everything. I'm currently at 'Winning with tactics'.
>>3291>I think chess does possess the potential to develop and train the strategic thinking skills of players
Chess was a big meme for decades in computer science, but what has come out of that aside from programs that are good at Chess? There was a lot speculation that coming up with programs that are good at Chess would somehow help with coming up with programs that are good at solving other problems. But can you give a single example for that? (In the USSR Mikhail Botvinnik shilled for that real-world connection and had nothing to show in the end.)>>3294
People who are relly good at Chess who start playing Go are much better at it right from the start than other noobs for some reason, even though in terms of programming a player it's extremely different from Chess.>>3295
Do bikes and cars make running competitions meaningless? Besides, there is the issue that some AIs are basically a black box even to the programmer, so that it's a mystery to explain how it makes its decisions. (At least for picture classification there is an approach that generates a heatmap picture that tells you which pixels in the original were regarded by the AI as strongly supporting the classification it chose in the end. For example, a picture with a train might show that the AI heavily relied on the rails and not the actual train to make the right call.)
>>3296>But can you give a single example for that?
They are programs for solving chess solely. Human beings can abstract and generalize.
how do I know whether I'm too retarded for chess? every time I try to learn I don't see any improvement and 99% of my moves are just blunders.
in my university i had a chess trainer or however you call it. it is another way to learn to play chess
Of course I didn't mean to poopoo on Chess programs for only being able to play Chess. That's not my criterion for judging the Computer-Chess hype as mistaken. The criterion is that the humans tackling Computer-Chess issues haven't learned insights transferable to other domains like economic planning. Botvinnik wrote a confused book where he repeatedly chanted that they were strong similarities between these topics, but it was just vague gestures. I suspect he wanted resources because of his interest as a Chess nerd. You know what would have been a killer argument? Coming up with rules for translating a scheduling problem into a Chess puzzle, so that a good player solving it has something that can be easily translated back to get a solution in the real world. But no translation recipe for something like that has been found.
Hm, yeah you have a point. How much does being good at chess translate to understanding real life battle strategies better though?
I fucking love go. I wish I had time to play it. I mostly just do tsumego on my phone when I have a few free minutes.
I suggest everyone try it out. It's more complex and, I think, a much more interesting game than chess. The best place for English speaking beginners is OGS. It even has a tutorial teaching you the basics and a bunch of puzzles to learn. It's easiest to start on a 9x9 board, but you can do 13x13 or just start on the full 19x19 board if you want.
Here are some links for anyone interested:
This a western server good for beginners. It's in a browser so it's convenient.https://online-go.com/
This is a Japanese server and it requires a client download.https://pandanet-igs.com/communities/pandanet
This is a Chinese server and it also requires a client download. I think one of the download links on the site includes a bunch of bloat or something. I use it the most, but the client is in Chinese and kind of hard to navigate.https://www.foxwq.com/
This is the Korean server. Yet another client you have to download.http://www.tygembaduk.com/
The Korean and Chinese servers have the most people. Chinese and Korean servers are also known for having a more aggressive and fast play style in general. I believe all the servers have phone apps, but they are pretty buggy in my experience.
I will move this thread later today to /games/ (which includes the discussion of all types of games not only video games).
I think I will add the link to the /leftypol/ sticky if the rest of the mod team is OK with it.
Not him, but I think Chess can teach you a good number "lessons" generally applicable to real life.
How to think ahead, to make moves in anticipation for something much further down the road, to form your plans around what the enemy is doing or what you predict they're trying to do, to "think several moves ahead" based on cause and effect actions and reactions, to not get tunnel vision and focus entirely on one piece or area, but to consider the whole board, to alter your strategy to a changing situation, etc.
I don't think people will generally learn these skill from playing chess, at least not to any great degree. Rather, I think, people with these skills are drawn towards these types of games.
>>3303> I will add the link to the /leftypol/ sticky if the rest of the mod team is OK with it.
That would be really cool, thanks. I‘d love to do tournaments among users.
>>3302>This is a Japanese server and it requires a client download.>https://pandanet-igs.com/communities/pandanet
The android client is quite good
Also recommend crazystone
These are skills you have to learn to get any good at these games.
Chess and war are completely different. For instance, a war is never one vs one. There is always multiple games going on, with a lot of different group of interests. There will be infighting in every camp, there will be traitors and sabotage.
Chess is TRASH.
1. A lot of it is memorization. If you don't memorize the 20 different openings and standard counters you are automatically at a disadvantage. Don't give me that shit about "figuring it out yourself" it is mandatory to memorize this crap if you want to be even AVERAGE, let alone actually good at the game.
2. White's first turn advantage is retarded and the fact that no one can think of a way to balance the game after centuries is stupid.
3. It has literally zero relevance to strategy, tactics, and war. Its reputation as a trainer of generals and smart men is completely unearned and undeserved.
That's why there's Fischer random chess. It's much more fun than regular chess imo.
It generally trains you in confrontations to rely on strategy instead of deception (like Poker), which is a good skill to have for any leftist.
I strongly doubt that there is much of such an effect. Chess is too removed from reality, and this distance doesn't just come from abstraction, Chess is just weird. The terrain is flat and without any features, the rules of movement on this flat surface are bizarre, you can only move one of your units during your turn, and you kill by touching each other. I believe it makes more sense to play the war games of the 19th century Prussian army or a modern mutation of that.>>3314
1. I agree with >>3318
on that. Bobby Fischer came up with a variant where you get a randomized starting configuration (same for both players).
2. There is a general method for balancing games that have a first-turn advantage: After the first player moves, the second player can decide to switch places with the first player or continue playing like normally. Try both 1 and 2 together and see if you like it.
3. I'm 99.9 % with you on that point.
I don't know much about war or chess, but Mao made comparisons between go(weiqi/weichi) and encirclement in On Protracted War. I've heard people say he and his generals played a lot of go, but I haven't actually seen a source on that.
If any games are helpful it would be some kind of war games modeled on the real thing.
All true but it's still fun to play
Cool, thanks for letting me know about this.
Deception is handy tbh.
Bro i tried learning go today and i played a game online with a 5x5 board.
I lost by 36 points with territory scoring. How tf does that work? I’m so confused on the scoring, I had about as many pieces.
Played on here fyi: https://www.cosumi.net/en/
Go scoring is the territory you have surrounded with your stones + captures, iirc depending on the scoring system (Japanese or Chinese) adding unnecessary stones inside your own territory will actually lower your score
God I cant figure out this territory scoring. It’s either a retarded system or I’m retarded, but I’m frustrated so I’m going to say territory scoring is retarded. Why can’t I just play old go rules online with just the pieces?
I have a 5x5 matrix with 25 vertices and yet somehow I lose by 36 points. I thought the max would be 25 since its all the freaking territory. Then on top of that it looks like I captured some territory and the stupid AI just marks all my pieces as dead and I lose the game. Why does this game have such annoying rules?
lmao how can you lose by 36 points on a 5x5 board, is it giving a retarded amount of komi to white? Can you post a screenshot? I'm curious.
>>3314>2. White's first turn advantage is retarded and the fact that no one can think of a way to balance the game after centuries is stupid.
You're supposed to play 2+ rounds dummkopf.
Also at amateur level it doesn't really matter. I actually prefer playing as black since you are the one that dictates the opening
I have no idea what the ai is doing to calculate the score. It’s saying I lost by 25 points on this game, how come I have territory at the top wtf?https://www.cosumi.net/en/replay/?b=You&w=COSUMI&k=0&r=w25&bs=5&gr=bdccdbdcbbbcddcdcbabceadecbeaadeacebeaedtttt&ds=aaeabbcbdbacec&bm=acc
Maybe you should actually read the rules?
you can't just draw a line down the board and claim one side lol
You lost by more than that
Black can't make life
you should learn about alive and dead groups: https://www.learn-go.net/
to expand you have no space for eyes both of your groups are incredibly dead
you tried to play connect four lmaooo 🤣
Honestly it sounds like a correlation = causation fallacy. Smarter people perform better in aspects of strategy, so it makes sense that a genius on the battlefield would have problem solving skills that transfer over into other aspects of life. I bet great war generals would have been better at, say, magic the gathering than average joe.
I think that's just some cool Chinese aesthetic - Go has also been used by the Chinese to describe their Maritime policies in SEA. I wouldn't look too much into it.
Go not chess but may as well keep this thread active and bumped
Cool article, thanks for the poast!
Why are Gofags so incredibly insecure about Chess?
Oldish post, but I just Dl Alexander Kotov and Mikhail Yudovich's "Soviet School of Chess", its from 1961 so its a bit dated but it goes through all of the Soviet Grand masters and a lot of material. I'm just working through the first games from earlier Tsarizt era players, so they're building more of the national history for how the bolshevik culture changed the game. The American publisher had to preface it with a mccarthyite set of smears on " Communist propaganda", all of it easily refutable, and kind of funny in a quaint sort of cliche manner. I just learned chess notation, so i'm getting back into the swing of things, but I would like to play one of these days with your group. I could care less about AI programming, the games flaws, or whether it is a game for master tacticians, it's fun, I miss playing it with friends at cafes, and It's one line of strategic thought amongst many, its general lessons are clearly applicable to politics and class struggle, and obviously playing it does not make one a Vo Nguyen Giap. Its still fun though!!!groucho_marxismGroucho Marxism
Is the group at chess.com still alive, what with the split and all? I'm a nooboid looking to get into the game in a somewhat more serious fashion and chess.com seems to be a good starting point.>>7205
Looks like a fascinating book catch with a hilarious (and historically interesting) preface, gz. However, you surely mean 'could not
care less'. :^)
you just need to pay attention to what youre doing wrong. think in terms of what each of their pieces can do at any time and what your pieces can do at any time, and have a few contingency plans for each possible move of theirs. be aggressive but dont stick to one overall strategy
Computers aren't capable of abstract or conceptual thought. Figuring out how to make AI that can play chess proficiently is probably good excercise in problem solving, but is obviously going to run into diminishing returns.
Was there ever smth like a /leftypol/ chess tournament?
based post anon
i made a chess.com account just to join OP's club, but yeah this should be on lichess
lichess has better puzzles tbh
I haven't played chess in ages and I only ever learned how to move the pieces but I would gladly join you guys, that'd be useful for learning too
Puzzles are the way to go
White to move
Blacks last move was stalemate
puzzle says "black moved last" – i swear there's a valid solution to this puzzle that meets that requirement, even if it seems impossible at first
sry 2 hear ur inability to engage in retrograde analysis makes u feel so insecure that u invoke homosexuality as an insult directed at based logic puzzles, anon
August 6. 1972 World Chess Championship
USSR vs USA
This game was a dramatic #win#
for Spassky, his first since games 1 and 2. As in game 7, Fischer essayed his favorite Poisoned Pawn
); Spassky surprised him with the startling 14.Nb1 (given !! by many annotators at the time), retreating the knight to its starting position.
Although later analysis showed that the move was only sufficient for equality if Black responded correctly, Fischer did not. If 15…Ne7!? by Black then 16.N1d2!? and the game is unclear (Gipslis). After inferior defense by Fischer, Spassky trapped Fischer's queen and handed him his only defeat ever as Black in the Poisoned Pawn.
31.Rxe6 resignsoviet_unionSoviet Union
In case anyone is still checking on this thread, I'd like to have you actively play matches with each other. Let's get this club going! Currently I have exams until the 8th of April, but I will join you then.
I'd join but I only play on lichess.
I‘m sorry. I had too much caffeine that day and it put me on the EDGE.
lichess has better everything
Nice how does thjs work?
Neat article, thanks anon.
I suck at chess and I realized it :D
Can't Queen just A1+, bishop has to block G1, Queen sac and the d and c pawns can progress forward?
Never mind, the pawns won't be able to reach no?
a chess game in process for anyone interested
Find the last move (like White Queen to D5) and reply for the other team whose move it is.
DO NOT CLICK
r1bqkbnr/pppp1ppp/2n5/4p3/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKB1R w - - 2 3
Idk how to use fen, im not a boomer
r1bqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/4p3/3nP3/5N2/PPPPQPPP/RNB1KB1R w - - 2 3
OK, I found a mobile friendly fen editor. I was trying to use lichess but the app is garbagehttps://shaack.com/projekte/cm-fen-editor/
r1bqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/8/3pP3/8/PPPPQPPP/RNB1KB1R b - - 0 1
you motherfucker you're white
I messed up the notation
and the reason for that is that you fucked up the notation
the correct notation for PxNd4 is:
r1bqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/8/3pP3/8/PPPPQPPP/RNB1KB1R w - - 0 1
I surrender, someone else take the wheel. Cant continue on mobile
the current state is
r1bqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/8/3pP3/8/PPPPQPPP/RNB1KB1R w - - 0 1
White looks like it's aiming for bishop to b2 here
reported for idpol
Had to look through the thread to see how the most recent positions made sense. Black fucked up.
ah right, Queen to d5
You dumb faggot, should have pushed it up 2 spaces to fork the Queen and Pawn, and potentially open the file for your Queen.
Dumb bitch God damn it
you can't play chess for shit
Anyone gonna move or…?
Suspense is an important tactical element of chess.
So any decisions?
I can't play chess but I'll try
>>13426>drops to page 5
Oh FFS someone make a move so I can make a move.
Am I white?
If so, Bxd4
No I am, I made my move >>13419
and am waiting for black
I need more Chess humor pls
I can use fen but I'm too lazy to do so here.
Heres a classic Soviet joke>In a park people come across a man playing chess against a dog. They are astonished and say: "What a clever dog!" But the man protests: "No, no, he isn't that clever. I'm leading by three games to one!"
Not one I'm familiar with TBH, but pretty good. It's classic Soviet humor and not the fake shit that Reagan got told to belt out.
Again: White Queen to D5
Again: knight to d5
Not again, but damn I missed that, I should have moved queen to B5.
Anyhow, Pawn to D5
Thats what I meant by NxQ, knight takes queen
Ooooooh, FFS I don't use online chess lingo much, usually play in person. Never heard tournaments (I've seen) use such abbreviations>>13444
Bishop to 2E
npnp, I learned chess notation when I was very young, its kinda burnt into my mind
Castle short O-O
Yeah I learned in Russian so English terms and stuff are kinda unfamiliar sometimes>Castle short O-O
? You mean castling?
Yeah castle kingside
anyone gonna move?
There is confusion about piece placement, see >>13449>>13450
Whoever was white needs to learn how to play before posting again, there should be 0 confusion as to piece placement
1) it's not 1 person that's playing the boards, it's several people coming in and out
is the placement of the pieces.
Following that Quite Queen went to D5, Black Knight went to D5, taking the Queen, and White Pawn took Black Knight at D5. >>13449
has the board flipped, so it looks inverted because over the entire thread people played on the board that had White at the top of the pic and Black at the bottom.
Lenin, Gorky and Alexander Bogdanov playing chess; proof that all communists should try to learn it.
FYI: Gorky is the one at the side (moustache), Bogdanov is the one facing Lenin.
God time flies.
Todd Howard lived too long and saw himself become a villain
Online chess is inferior to chess by mail
This song is fuckin' good
>>13469>anyone gonna move?
nah cuz I played 4 white b4
I mean it's Black's move
moved for white
Yes, that's my point, that's MY move from September
1. You can learn two to three openings and be good. Hell, just play a king's Indian and you have one opening you can play against pretty much everything, you don't have to memorize that many lines and although it's more difficult to play the middle game compared to some other openings it's still playable for a beginner. You just need to develop a simple and solid repertoire. Once you gain some experience it's also not that difficult to learn more complicated openings
2. Balance is overrated imo
3. I think there are a few lessons you can get out of it. Like when you're winning in chess you're supposed to make equal trades and place safe, while if you're losing more risky and complicated play is better, this reflects real war logic. A battle between 100 vs 108 can go many ways, a battle between 8 and 18 is already over. These kinds of lessons become a lot more clear if they're part of your practical lived experience than what I could explain in a post like this. Obviously you're not going to become a great general by playing chess a bunch, at best it will give you some minor insights, but it's a board game, monopoly isn't going to make you a millionaire either. Also there is definitely strategy and tactics involved in the game, it just has somewhat of a learning curve so you need to recognize them first
>>3320>The terrain is flat and without any features
A Chinese game with common ancestor to chess (xiangqi) actually has a river through the middle of the board, although it doesn't do much
>>15938>The Kid's Book of Chess by Harvey Kidder
Anyone got a pdf of this? Can't find shit on Libgen or Zlib
Henlo fren might I interest you in a superior gaym → >>10657
>>16053>kids book of chess>by harvey kidder
What kind of hack came up with this shit? COME ON, GET BETTER WRITERS
Not everything is the matrix dude.
That's a retarded puzzleNf7+ Kh7 Ng5#
Try this one. Mate in three, white to move.
Also, does anyone on here play shogi?
only shogi-un 2 total war
Chess.com is only better for having multiple pre-moves. But still a feature I wonder why Lichess refuses to add.
Watching a porn actress clickbaiting chess. Yikes. Gimme a timestamp or something. 5 year olds playing chess at a higher level than some slut.
>>17457>Watching a porn actress clickbaiting chess. Yikes.
I don't think she's a porn actress, anon. She obviously likes to dress nicely, and bring a bit of glamour to the match. If you want to see porn actresses on the internet there are loads, you don't have to watch a chess match to see them. >Gimme a timestamp or something.
Oh I see, so you "are" interested. >5 year olds playing chess at a higher level than some slut.
Which match was this? Must a prodigy, or sometimes adults let children win to encourage them.
No timestamp. Don't care what you have to say.
do rightoids really
God, I wish I was CoomNEET gang enough to be able to see a woman and immediately think "porn actress".
im not the one watching a slutty yt whore that sucks at chess
youre getting awfully simpy mate
You don't even know her rating and think that 5 year olds outperforming her is something adults do to encourage them.
This is the Kart thread all over again. People that know nothing of chess and of good video games acting like bigshots just because the algorithm pushes porn on them rather than the actual concepts tangibly related towards said porn
Okay. Now are you suddenly going to make a car thread and act like an expert because it is tangibly related to porn? Nothing I said is false. 5 year olds are better chess players than her, you only watch her because you're a coomer.
Well anon those old gas guzzlers do have robust engines, even tho they're thirsty lol
It's not porn! Not to me, anyway. I need to see nipples as well as face however pretty to coom
You're not funny. Nobody cares what you 'need'. This isn't your blog.
>>17995>Nobody cares what you 'need'.
fair enough, but then don't click on the spoilered text
I dunno how anyone with any self respect could watch YTers etc who do this kind of shit
You know they all hate doing it, right? Click bait is unreasonably effective.
Maybe they 'hate doing it' but they still do, there's other ways to get tons of views than to go all :O and lowest common denominator.
There is nothing wrong with click bait when the market demands it imo. I don't judge a book by its cover know what I mean?
Don't hate the player hate the game.
If they are willing to piss all over the viewer like that and treat them like retards, then I'm not interested. But then I basically hate any YTer that consistently puts themselves in front of the camera anyways, the content should speak for itself.
I agree with you, but I understand that the algorithm favors this type of thumbnail, and if the content is good, I want the creator to get the most bang for their buck to keep creating more content.
It's a necessary evil of the market.
>>18013>I dunno how anyone with any self respect could watch YTers etc who do this kind of shit
YT is generally a trashy medium. It's not good to spend too much time on it. If you do, then your self-respect level will take a hit, true. >>18020
But then I basically hate any YTer that consistently puts themselves in front of the camera anyways, the content should speak for itself.
Depends on the genre. Sometimes presentation in front of the camera is part of it. For example, a lot of Contrapoints' work is about personal aesthetics .
Ofc, in the case of chess, it's notoriously not about personal aesthetics. I think why non-Chess players ITT haven't taken the objections entirely seriously is because for a long time chess players were seen as badly dressed nerds, frankly.
So using sex to sell chess would have seemed unlikely.
Are glamorous or clickbaity chess players on YT damaging the game? Anons might say they can be beaten by 5 year olds, but in the videos the emphasis is on the chess moves themselves.
In particular calling one a porn actress >>17457
would seem to be overwrought. She's got an instagram but that's it, no OnlyFans, no cashapp, no venmo, no way to pay her anything. Whereas porn is just done for money.
Sexy presentation ≠hypocrisy, not always.
Honestly, I think sexy presentation is at least something, better than fucking gurning and overacting in front of the camera like the video is for actual babies.
She's not one of the best. I don't understand why you have to lie like that. Rankings are available online for free for anyone to look at.
There's plenty of high-quality in-depth chess channels out there. It's not hard to do some directed searches, but this implies shutting off the algorithm and only look for things you want to see, rather than watch things before you know you even want them. It's hard for the coomerbrains blogposting about shitty chess players here. But don't blame the tool, make fun of the people incapable of breaking free from it.
They do not need more bang for their buck. The content has always been there and always been created. The content does not suddenly increase just because a millionaire makes 200% that.
Alexandra Botez is, in fact, one of the best.
>>18044>shitty chess players
Why don't you take your own advice?
Look up the FIDE ratings of the chess players mentioned ITT. They have perfectly respectable ratings for club players. Which is the context of the videos - they're playing in chess clubs.
Terrible bait. Won't even respond.
If I recall this is a clip from that overhyped videogame Balan Wonderworld https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz2fPX-c1jE&ab_channel=NotAlpharad
Was chess the Monopoly of feudalism?
Lichess has an interactive tutorialhttps://lichess.org/learn#/
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