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 No.447

What is bunkerchan's opinion of Tom Nook from Animal Crossing?
I've seen a lot of leftist argue that he deserves the bullet because he's a property owner, but others have said that in the game he gives away more than he could ever turn a profit from.
Does this mean he gets a pass?
I personally think Isabelle should be given critical support and usurp power from him at some point in time so that she could implement communal type measures after Nook industrializes the island using your labor, but it's almost as if the game is trying to say that Tom Nook is a necessary evil to get to modern communal living. The game doesn't really valorize his actions, either. He's a tanooki, and in Japanese folklore they are seen as tricksters by nature. In this way, he exists more as an anthropomorphized analog for the duplicity of the capitalist. Yet despite this, he also isn't as harsh as a modern capitalist might be. He doesn't tack on interest, have a set-in-stone timeline when you're supposed to pay him back, and won't ever repossess your home if you refuse to pay him. In this way, he represents more of the fantastical benevolent capitalist that Americans idealize.
The only conclusion I've been able to come to is that the developers themselves are a bit confused about who Tom Nook really is.
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 No.448

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Tom nook is a monster. He is hiding his exploitation under the guise of a friendly anthropomorphic racoon.
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 No.449

>>447
I hate him because all I see now is a nipple
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 No.450

oh shit nigga he gay
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 No.451

>>450
imma sex that nigga's asshole, we running train on nook
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 No.452

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 No.453

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 No.454

There is an alternate timeline where the animal crossing town is run by a tankie tanuki.

>>447
>The only conclusion I've been able to come to is that the developers themselves are a bit confused about who Tom Nook really is.
Yes.
Ultimately, Tom Nook is a great example of false consciousness. He is the idealized version of a capitalist, and what most capitalists imagine themselves to be. At least in the more recent games. Originally he was much more predatory, basically tricking the player into becoming an indentured servant.

>What is bunkerchan's opinion of Tom Nook from Animal Crossing?

I've seen a lot of leftist argue that he deserves the bullet because he's a property owner,
Owning property in itself isn't the problem. It's that he traps people unwittingly in contracts where they have huge debt to pay off, and exploits this to make you labor for him (which only makes sense if he profits from it, i.e. selling what you sell him for still more).
>but others have said that in the game he gives away more than he could ever turn a profit from.
That doesn't make mathematical sense. You can't give away more than you have.
>Does this mean he gets a pass?
Fuck no. A billionaire who gives away all their earnings beyond what it takes to live is still exploiting people's labor by necessity. Nook's charity is irrelevant to the fact that he indebts people. In real life, the need for charity is generally a product of capitalism in the first place, and porky charity tends to be a mix of PR and an attempt to assuage feelings of guilt.

>The game doesn't really valorize his actions, either. He's a tanooki, and in Japanese folklore they are seen as tricksters by nature. In this way, he exists more as an anthropomorphized analog for the duplicity of the capitalist.

In the first game he was pretty directly portrayed as predatory IIRC. He lured people to the woods where he would put them into debt bondage, and his shop was a run down, ratty piece of shit. He was kind of the epitome of a slum lord or entrepreneur clawing his way up from the bottom.
>Yet despite this, he also isn't as harsh as a modern capitalist might be. He doesn't tack on interest, have a set-in-stone timeline when you're supposed to pay him back, and won't ever repossess your home if you refuse to pay him. In this way, he represents more of the fantastical benevolent capitalist that Americans idealize.
Right. Even when he's being portrayed as crooked and predatory he's still much less evil than a capitalist in reality necessarily is. This is because it's a video game and doesn't have to obey any real economic laws of motion.

>I personally think Isabelle should be given critical support and usurp power from him at some point in time so that she could implement communal type measures after Nook industrializes the island using your labor, but it's almost as if the game is trying to say that Tom Nook is a necessary evil to get to modern communal living.

Marx would agree that capitalism is necessary to get to communism. I wouldn't say it's necessary, although I would concede it builds productive forces faster. It's also insanely risky because of ecological consequences, but that's a whole other topic. I tend to think the risks and costs outweigh the benefits tbh.
Isabelle is also a whole other topic, but in a nutshell she's the equivalent of Tom Nook but for a government worker. She's the cute animal version of Leslie Knope from Parks & Rec.
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 No.455

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN8Q0KASClE
(He's a wobbly and discusses Feyerabend, what's not to love?)
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 No.456

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>>455
It's a pretty good video, but the tone feels off since it's intended more as meditation than criticism. Unlike this guy I do think it makes the games worse. The lack of challenge to your supremacy is boring and even uncomfortable.

It jumped out at me the first time with Breath of the Wild. Link can't really interact with the world in any way but to harvest it for resources. The NPCs aren't deep enough to have much story, and unlike Animal Crossing you can only cut down the trees, never plant them. You don't even fish with a mini-game like in older Zeldas. You just run up and take the fish. Even the dragons that seem mysterious when you first see them wind up being a source of materials to farm.

This kind of thing isn't adventurous or comfy or chill. It's manic. Anxious even. It's the kind of game you'd expect the CEO of the company to make.
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 No.457

>>456
I feel you. It's a very narrow way of looking not only at the world, but also game design. One that is woefully widespread (does every game really need crafting mechanics? Or inventories, for that matter).
Even the new Doom games have this in the form of farming for achievements, upgrading runes, and what not. Just let me shoot and dodge.

Hope someone will pick up the good old Sim Earth idea and experiment with that. Just a world that's slowly developing by itself, with or without your input.
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 No.458

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>>457
This was touched on in the video but I really want to see a simulator type game where A) stuff grows on its own and you can't do much more than tweak the conditions (just like real gardening) and B) you have the power to subjugate the land but it will fight back in the form of unintended consequences and possibly angry creatures or nature spirits.

I like the idea of having the option to play the game in an exploitative way, but where it has serious drawbacks and much less benefit than a harmonious approach.
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 No.459

>>458
I don't trust developers, big and small, to handle this concept in a way where complete dominance wouldn't still be excessively rewarded (rather than turn into a global disaster scenario, like the one we're experiencing). I'm not saying it won't ever happen, but the person who would rise to the occasion would be a rarity.

That said: Dwarf Fortress seems to be going that direction (unintentionally?), as brutalizing the landscape becomes increasingly more difficult as you ruin the area and make it easier for your fortress to get toppled by the usual threats. It's still trivial to keep your fort going for now.
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 No.460

if tom nook is actually a tanuki, does that mean he has big balls???
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 No.461

>>451
>>460
balls thicker than a capital themed famous book
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 No.462

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NO MONEY
NO HOME
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 No.463

>>462
God I wish landlords would just die.
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 No.464

>>460
Why do you think he wears a loincloth?
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 No.556

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would you invite AOC to your island?
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 No.561

>>458
So minecraft
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 No.566

>>556
I would certainly invite her to my island if you know… what I mean that is if I had a switch oh god oh fuck I don't have a switch my dudes.
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 No.571

>>556
>how do you do fellow millennials
>boy i sure do hate ICE whoops i vooted to fund ICE
>these corporate dems sure are bad whoops i endorsed them
>come play animal crossing with me haha aren't i relatable

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