No.20748
i walked on my sibling watching it at the part where they where jumping on glass. I was like "why would you watch this shit?"
No.20749
>>20747yes just like they watch capeshit. not everyone can be as retarded and autistic as us. It's historical development that will force them to think like us.
No.20750
Why won't they consoom mass entertainment?
No.20751
Squid game is a genuine good criticism of Neoliberal Voluntarianism and it's a good thing for the left that it has gone viral
No.20752
>>20751m8, no one even realises it's a criticism of capitalism. All they think of it is "wow, this is actually what socialism is like. They bad guys all wear the same clothes that's like Communism."
No.20753
>>20751The first two episodes were great and that’s it, because this is where that critique comes out the most strongly.
No.20754
>>20752i dunno, maybe for Yanks, but south koreans seem to get it.
No.20755
>>20752retards will always have retard takes. There are a bunch of people who watched fight club that way too
No.20756
>>20752Are you brain damaged? Did you read that think piece by that dumb piece of shit who’s writing a book about Tsar Nicholas’s daughters?
No.20757
Communist movie
No.20758
>>20747You think proles are reading theory and watching Soviet propaganda in spare time?
No.20759
>>20753Eh, not really, I think each episode has nice tidbits, like the episode that points out that the game advantages men over women and the episode where it's pointed out that poverty feels the same no matter where you live.
>>20752I mean that's Tim Pool's reading, but I kinda doubt this is how most people read it. Netflix has Alice in Borderland too that's very much like this series except for the class-elements. As such something must have drawn people to this one in particular, and I think that's specifically the class elements.
No.20760
Absolutely 0 of the people I know who watched this got the message, its just spooky gameshow aaaa to most people, or at least Americans.
No.20761
>>20747I don't really understand why is everyone soyfacing over this shit.
It's just another netflix crap
No.20762
>a film/tv series takes advantage of anti-capitalist sentiments to sell anti-capitalist bullshit to the masses and make billions
It's not even a critique of capitalism. It's more about neoliberalism version of capitalism.
Why do westernoids soyface at any piece of entertainment that is anti-capitalist? That shit is pretty common in south Korean film industry and other Asian films too
No.20764
>>20752Maybe in burgerland I guess.
No.20765
>ITT chan culture contrarianism
No.20766
>>20762With Hollywood you only get CIA propaganda so it's understandable
No.20767
>>20765This. Squid Game is clearly a piece of explicitly anti-capitalist cinema and mfs here are STILL bitching about it.
No.20768
>>20767It's not. All of its issues can be solved within the framework of capitalism itself.
No.20769
>>20765Anon the show/movie(I don’t fucking know I don’t use Netflix) is shit and gets spammed everywhere on the internet like what happened with stranger things Rick and morty and that’s it. The amount of proles I’ve seen actually nutting over this is almost nonexistent
No.20770
>>20768How? Within the logic of Squid Games, the games can only exist because capitalist have more money then kings so can afford private islands and fill it with their own private army. Then can lure people to play their deadly games because of the exploitation of the working class that makes desperate enough to risk death for what is pocket change for the capitalists.
No.20771
>>20768Anon the show's creator literally said it was a criticism of capitalism.
No.20773
>>20770They can make those games non-lethal and more comfy. Welfare state.
No.20774
what's with so many korean kinos coming out recently?
No.20775
It's for petit bourgeois clerks.
No.20776
>>20775t. don't know terminology
No.20777
>>20774It has always been like that for a decade or two. Western people only started noticing that industry because of Parasite last year.
No.20779
how did /tv/cels react to this?
No.20780
>>20776It's the typical shit they gobble up. Mediocre boring critiques of capitalism that makes them feel radical. Any old fool can criticise society.
No.20781
I have been enjoying the influx of articles about how it's not actually about capitalism, it's about meritocracy, no wait it's about personal choices, no wait it's about financial responsibility.
The fact people are paid to write things but can't detect themes in a work or even spot the criticisms of their own ideology is quite amusing for me because I enjoy commentariat types revealing themselves as gigapseuds. I feel like they could have a fuckwit who got their job writing through nepotism in the show and they'd pathologically make excuses for them.
No.20782
>>20780Why do you think media that's critical of capitalism becoming popular is a bad thing? Do you not see it as potentially indicative of rising anti-capitalist sentiment?
No.20783
>>20774Tbh I'm ngl I didn't expect so many class conscious films to come out of South Korea because I figured that since North Korea is right across the border that South Koreans would be too cucked by anti-communist propaganda to be into that at all
No.20784
>>20781I don't really find it amusing that people get paid to write this shit. How can we ever win when every socialist is ground underfoot and every capitalist shill gets given a big fancy job writing their shitty opinions?
No.20785
>>20784In the UK they're basically the only type of writer that exists so it's just background noise. Boomers have too much lead in their brain to consume media any other way so they'll always have work.
No.20786
>>20782NTA, but I would argue that saying “society bad” isn’t particularly radical anymore and in fact obscures the issues presented by making it bad in a spectacular way in all sense of the word. Moreover it gives folks an outlet, along with an excuse to say “see, you have the freedom to complain!”
What they can’t depict in media is anybody doing anything about it or doing things in a way that restores society back to the ideal, “best” version of itself without discarding the whole system.
What’s subversive in the modern day isn’t “things actually suck”, but “another way is possible”.
No.20787
>>20775Being in a obscure imageboard website is way more petit bourg than consuming mainstream netflix shit though. The average worker can perfectly watch one episode daily of a show filled with characters they can be identified with.
No.20788
>>20747I learned about this show from my coworkers talking about it. It is number 1 on Netflix's most watched tv shows for a reason.
No.20789
>>20786It takes a while to get to that point. People aren't just going to go from "this is good, i'm okay with the system" to "yeah i changed my mind and want to risk death and deprivation to completely overhaul the system".
No.20790
>>20786I see where you're coming from, but just because very few of these shows/films propose any serious solutions doesn't mean that their popularity is bad. At the very least it indicates a rising receptiveness to criticism of the status quo.
No.20793
Kaiji, Liar Game, As the Gods Will
No.20794
>i dont like it therefore its crap
I found it well made, the characters likeable, the images beautiful, the realization gripping. I can understand not liking it, being pissed off at how its the hype shit everyone talk about, but its simply good entertainment with a left message
No.20795
>>20786>What’s subversive in the modern day isn’t “things actually suck”, but “another way is possible”.I doubt anyone would fund a truly commie film
No.20796
I watched the first episode this weekend with my mom (she's into it) and I thought it was really good.
No.20797
>>20759>I mean that's Tim Pool's reading, but I kinda doubt this is how most people read it. Even the comments on his video was dunking on him and saying the show is about capitalism.
No.20799
Also I used the show as an opportunity to talk to my mom about why capitalism is bad and then I showed her videos of labor protests in South Korea with people wearing Squid Game costumes.
You could use the show as an opportunity to educate people.
Or you could just sit around and bitch that people are watching a show you don't like.
No.20800
>>20747Don't care. Still not watching.
No.20801
>>20798what's really funny about this is that he doesn't consider for even a moment that there might be some correlation between the things he thinks the capitalist elite are… and the fact that they are capitalists
No.20802
>>570299
What? This century only China has lifted people out of poverty everywhere else poverty had dramatically increased.
No.20803
>>570315
>Correct China did lift people out of poverty but you know what did it? it wasn't communism it was Deng XiaoPing's economic reforms that did it.
Nonsense, the period of reform and opening up would not have been possible without the Maoist period, which laid the industrial, social and political foundation of modern China. Also the poverty reduction is because of the communist party in power leveraging the state and public sector economy to achieve these social outcomes. Other countries like India which can be compared to china in many ways did not see the poverty reduction happening with it's bourgeois parties in power.
>Deng has long suspected of being a secret National Socialist
what ? Nobody thinks that, this is crazy talk.
No.20804
>>570299
>Dude, if I was the government forever, the system would work and I would stop all the bad meanie people in it
Read Marx you idealist
No.20807
>we don't just kill threads by moving them to dead boards!
>if it's politically relevant we let it stay on /leftypol/ :)
faggots
No.20808
the show is amusing
whether it's a critique of this or that doesn't matter at all, this shit doesn't mean a thing anyway:
>“During the Vietnam War, every respectable artist in this country was against the war. It was like a laser beam. We were all aimed in the same direction. The power of this weapon turns out to be that of a custard pie dropped from a stepladder six feet high.”
kurt vonnegut
No.20809
i stopped watching after ep 3 cause it's boring
No.20810
See
>>>/anime/11028 aand
>>>/anime/11027Yes proles watched it, and yes it's over-rated faux-satire.
No.20811
>>20778>It's entertaining and as pretty much everyone (even the writer) say it is a criticism of the way too fucked up capitalism in worst Korea.Doesn't make it good and doesn't make it not boring (to me). It's the kind of satirical analogy that - had it been made by a non-foreign company - would be criticized for being hamfisted and excessive (and unoriginal).
No.20813
I wonder if contrarians ever get tired of being like this. I'm glad I can still enjoy things, at any rate.
>>20810>and yet you live in a society!>you can't enjoy multiple similar thingsGarbage.
No.20814
>>20811If death games with class consciousness were being pumped out by the truckload you might have a point, but all people can point to is Kaiji (season 2 of the anime came out 10 years ago) and maybe Battle Royale (21 years ago). That's hardly market saturation, and you can easily enjoy all three.
No.20815
>>20747It's a prole favorite. Also bear in mind that other classes watch it too (incl. bourgies and middle)
No.20816
Hilarious that when seeing the working class enjoy a show like this the response isn't "if something mediocre like this mildly critiquing capitalism can be popular imagine how far a show of higher quality and depth would do" but "I can't believe these shit taste wagies don't see how vapid this is!" When you see the boug respond to something so mild by having non-stop articles about how it's "akshually about gommienizm" and genuinely think this is what the average person who watched it believes.
No.20821
>>20786Spot on. Down with nihilism.
No.20822
>>20814Death Race 2000 franchise, Running Man (original, book and remake), the Battle Royal sequels, Liar Game, Hunger Games books and movies, The Most Dangerous Game, should I go on? At least 3 of the aforementioned are extremely popular books and movies so the market is not as unexploited as you claim. Moreover it just feels like a very basic-bitch analogy. I like Korean TV series but this just bored me because nearly every moment I can call back to an earlier franchise.
>>20813>and yet you live in a society!If that's the point you got from the posts, you're a speedreader.
>>20815>a prole favoritebloodsports tend to be so under oppressive systems.
No.20823
>>20786>What they can’t depict in media is anybody doing anything about it or doing things in a way that restores society back to the ideal, “best” version of itself without discarding the whole system. It's actually worse than that and we've already had some discussion about it over here:
>>4483 and here
>>4441There's a vested interest in creating an impression that what we have now is the best you can hope for, that either the system continues to degrade or it collapses entirely and we end up in barbarism. It's meant to make you feel paralyzed and helpless while also creating a "nostalgia for the present" that numbs the pain of the current situation because at least it's not as bad as the further degraded capitalism from Squid Game and thank god it's not Mad Max.
No.20825
>>20823>over here:And in
>>1782 >"nostalgia for the present" that numbs the pain of the current situation because at least it's not as bad as the further degraded capitalism from Squid Game and thank god it's not Mad Max.This.
No.20832
>>20828Most people got the message. Some rando on YouTube isn’t relevant here.
No.20833
>>20832>Some rando on YouTubeFlashgitz is a popular channel and the video got 1.3 million views and 123K likes in 1 week, that's not a small audience.
No.20838
How much credence is there to the idea that Squid Game (and Parasite) is, while anti-capitalist, not really socialist, but rather nostalgia for a more welfarist, socially more "fair" form of capitalism even for the authors/the Korean audience? Haven't watched it yet myself, but saw this idea being bounced around. I'm not really up to speed on South Korean history though, so I don't know if they had a period of huge social welfare spending as Japan did before the lost decades.
No.20850
>>20752Talked to a bunch of normies about it, literally everyone realizes it's about capitalism. The fall of the Eastern Bloc was 30 years ago, it's not even present in the minds of most millenials and zoomers. Maybe what you say is true for burgers, and even then I would say this would only be true for a section of a population, especially suburban petty bourgeois.
No.20851
>>20762>It's not even a critique of capitalism. It's more about neoliberalism version of capitalism.I mean, when have communists ever not agitated against the specific
expression capitalism takes on depending on the conditions under which they live? It's a critique of Korean capitalism ("neoliberalism" as a term can't be applied to Korea) and as such it does a pretty good job. Debt-slavery and a rentier state are both fundamental columns of state monopoly capitalism.
No.20852
>>20768If all those issues can be solved under capitalism, then there is no reason to be a socialist/communist. Why would I want to abolish capitalism if all its issues can be resolved by social democracy?
Retarded ultra-left take. Korean filmmakers could literally produce a movie where the main character holds an entire monolog about the falling rate of profit and you assholes would still be bitching about it. Tell me, when was the last time American or more generally Western media have released a popular work that portrays social realities and class in such an explicit way?
No.20853
>>20783Because South Korea overdid it in terms of repression of working class movements, via media that is not yet censored, that is the only way they even can express such sentiment. Every actual IRL organization left of liberalism, even social democracy, is banned in South Korea.
No.20855
>>20807>dead boardsuse the overboard, faggot.
No.20857
>Did proles actually watch this shit?
I'm a europoor teacher and even primary school children are watching this. It's having a major cultural impact worldwide in younger generations who find its message interesting (just like they did for similar plot-lines earlier, like those of Hunger Games and Battle Royale.
No.20858
>>20807>Muh alt boards If you can't use basic chan functions and complain about slo-posting in a small site you're a lazy dumbass.
No.20859
>>20857>even primary school children are watching thisThat's just fucking stupid, R-ratings aren't made for kicks.
No.20862
>>20859My mom would have never let me watch this, do today's parents just not care??
No.20864
>>20862 Most parents today give their child an ipad and let them look at any shit on youtube. Moreover PoMo ideology has pervaded society into this concept of "Excessive gratuitous violence and dystopian content is totally the stuff that an impressionable, developing child can see!" And if you point that out, the liberals and faux-progressives shit themselves about censorship (ironically censoring other inoffensive content instead).
No.20865
>>20859>>20862It's more a combination of the following facts: widespread smart device ownership (you're basically required to be literate in it when starting school now, as much of the curriculum includes the usage of educational apps), widespread Netflix subscriptions via families and finally the smart device literacy thus makes it very easy for today's kids to access Netflix by simply turning on the TV while home (with friends) before their parents get home.
No.20866
>>20862everybody has a fucking phone these days, and pirate streaming sites for tv shows are abundant enough that its not a major issue to get around needing netflix or whatever service.
No.20867
>>20865>education apps and strangely enough the higher ups of companies like Apple, Google and other companies suspiciously enough do not permit their children to use smart-phones uncontrolled because of the negative impacts. Zoommers can cope all they like, but the "boomer" meme about phone obsession is real.
So yeah, electronics availability under capitalism to even the poorest of people is clearly a negative thing, there's no point in learning or filtering content, it's all online!
No.20869
no work of art will be perfectly "anti-capitalist" (kind of a dumb term btw)
No.20871
>>20869Sergei Eisenstein's 1925 film Strike is perfectly anti-capitalist.
No.20872
>>20781In defense of the people who are confused about the message of the show I must confess, plot-wise the show is confused, cliched, generic and superficial. It wants us to side with the main character, Gi-hun, but he is flat-out horrible person and you can't really cheer for him. His relative, whatever his name was, is even worse. The elderly guy, who runs the show, has cancer, and misses his childhood and family, and in the games he is at risk of dying, and in one scene where they just slaughter each other in killing frenzy (because why not) you see a beautiful humane side to him, when he yells, that they should stop because at that rate they will die all, and somehow we should hate him. The games are ad hoc since you can end others in their sleep and, congrats, you won.
People where looking so hard for hidden message and deeper meanings where there was actually none. In turn they tricked themselves into completing a picture in their minds to resemble something real, whereas there was just horse manure flung haphazardly around to entertain us.
No.20873
>>20867You could argue it's not the phones, it's the disadvantages the phones could bring. I use my phone wisely. Maybe Gen Z is drowning in a see of instant gratification but personally I read only books on my phone and use only educational apps.
The mean issue I have with the phones usage is that those who should get a laptop will probably settle for a phone. Phones do not have the advanced tools and apps for doing research and investigation compared to PCs (although they catching up).
No.20884
>>20873> I use my phone wisely.Same, but I'm also not a Zoommer and my parents didn't give me electronics until I got into Middle School, and it was a flip-phone. Even then I have issues of sitting on the internet too much sometimes and then feeling like shit for basically wasting my day. Besides, in adult life this is fine, but focusing only on computers is just turning society into a cyberpunk dystopia, and I loathe it.
No.20900
>>20872that's what a moralist would think
No.20902
>>20900>it being not that deep and muddling the messages is moralism huh?
No.20907
>>20864>kids watching dystopian fiction about hypercapitalismDamn, a lot of them are probably too young to do a good job separating reality and fantasy. Imagine growing up seeing this kind of fiction not understanding the satirical context and just taking it as normal.
No.20980
>>20852>Why would I want to abolish capitalism if all its issues can be resolved by social democracy?Because the soccdem gibs can be taken away at any moment like they did in the 90s in the West. Even Sweden is reverting to neoliberlism.
>Korean filmmakers could literally produce a movie where the main character holds an entire monolog about the falling rate of profit and you assholes would still be bitching about it.I wouldn't, mainstream media is saturing content with lefty flavours to make people used to it to the point they will ignore the left. "lefty" media fails to provide an alternative unlike the Zeitgeist movies.
>Tell me, when was the last time American or more generally Western media have released a popular work that portrays social realities and class in such an explicit way?Joker
No.20981
>>20872I thought the exact same thing after watching Parasite
No.20982
>>20795Sorry to Bother You does exist for some reason. But Boots isn't making a new movie anytime soon.
No.20990
>>20872>they tricked themselves into completing a picture in their minds to resemble something realSounds like the definition of great art but you're upset at artistic choices in terms of the medium?
No.20999
>>20822>hunger gamesrightoid burger crap, not anti capitalist in the slightest, ripoff of battle royale but filtered through some hannah arendt/horseshoe theory "totalitarianism" crap.
No.21000
>>20999No shit, my point is the story line of Death Game to pay "debts" to society or personally is done to death and basic as fuck.
No.21002
>>20782>Do you not see it as potentially indicative of rising anti-capitalist sentiment?As much as the popularity of che guevara shirts.
No.21009
>>20828anything flashgitz is rightoid tier shit
even his stale "crusader" persona fits his soyboy face and personality perfectly.
No.21012
>>21009>anything flashgitz is rightoid tier shit Not all of their stuff, very little of their videos are actually Right-Wing.
No.21350
>Did proles actually watch x?
100% of the times the answer will be yes.
No.21351
>>20763>>20814>>20993Squid Game was dumb entertainment, nothing else. It's cool that the creator was going for an anticapitalist angle but as a series it did a lot of retarded things, like the glass explosion, the rich assholes being under ten people, having them constantly speak instead of being faceless mobs, the detective subplot, etc.
If you really want the same topics and criticism of capitalism handled in a better way just watch Kaiji. Fukumoto makes it especially obvious during the E-Card game.
No.21353
The marble episode was easily the best and then got completely ruined by the fucking stupid but still predictable twist at the end.
No.21530
>>21353I thought the premise was pretty stupid. They are just supposed to make their own game with the marbles? Seems kind of lazy. Also, the twist on the pairing up of players was predictable and the entire game just seemed like a sloppy way to move certain plot elements forward (remove Ali, "kill" the old man, shoehorn in some character development for the North Korean person, etc.).
No.21535
According to recent Burgers news media someone smuggled the show into North Korea and was executed. Cause you know that checks out and makes sense right?
No.21539
Only reaction:
Omg! Same! *Watches something else*
Consuming Anti-Capitalism does nothing.
No.21540
>>21535This type of Anti-DPRK propaganda reminds me of those sitcom shows for children that were clearly written by out of touch boomers. Agent Johnson realizes that (movie, song, show, etc.) is popular with the kids and writes an article about Kim Jong Un killing 1,000 innocent teens who consumed it. Then he publishes it 2 weeks after most people have lost interest. Every major trend has a "North Korea executes those who know about it" report that is repeated by every major media outlet. I think the purpose of all this is to create anti-DPRK sentiment in the younger generations.
No.21834
>>21833Capitalism.
As for the described issues, it's literally just the same in Japan and to an extent the USA. Standardized education is probably the only thing that is an inane complaint, as I can personally attest, non-standardized education a la the USA is the reason some people think that America took Berlin in WW2 and that Russia had been in the Axis alliance.
No.21835
>>21833Also I suggest you check out the Bong thread
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