No.8346
Honestly, I like the post apocalyptic socialist art. I don't know how we could fight in any modern capitalist country that has nuclear bombs without tactical ones being deployed at least. I am not saying we would be the ones to use it but if you think some blood thirsty general or militia wouldn't use them when they start losing ground you are wrong.
No.8347
>>8346Even if nukes are deployed, it would probably be very contained rather than globally MAD like people in the cold war thought since pretty much everybody realizes just how bad MAD would be and most would be against it to the point where they'd stop buttons being pressed and codes being input.Most nuclear destruction would probably be on urban centers and tactical advantage points in rebellions and war territory. Cities and strategically important areas would be nuked, but the likelihood of them being deployed en masse globally is very slim. We'd have to deal with the fallout though which would be devastating.
No.8348
>>8347This just shows your poor grasp of the process of nuclear escalation. I can't blame you for this; since the fall of the Berlin wall governments seem to have gone very quiet about this and you're probably too young to have proper memories of the nuclear paranoia that proceeded the event. Essentially: any nuclear power that is hit with any scale of nuclear attack will strike back at least equally as hard in order to shift the balance of battle further in their favour. Furthermore, the longer that the smaller stuff is being lobbed back and forth produces a steady increase in the probability of an all out attack by one side or the other with the big weapons. Basically no-one wants their retaliatory capability wiped out or crippled by a successful first strike by the enemy, so if you must fire your ICBMs you want to fire them as early in the battle as you can. Hence things can rapidly spiral out of control.Also and unrelated: the fact that a place as unstable as Pakistan has the bomb is fucking terrifying.
No.8356
>>45345>>45345fuck me, I wanted to get into star trek and tried watching discovery, the overarching plot was hilariously bad despite being full of potential, ending up with feelgud liberal "if you kill your enemies they win" with some seriously stupid technomagic ass pullery, "being good guys miraculously works for no reason" and shitty dialogues all over, and bad guys so caricaturals it's not even funny anymoredunno how I even managed to get to the end of first seasonis there any star trek worth watching that isn't so loaded with stupid mary sue & hollywood bullshit ?started a russian serie after, Better than Us, cautiously optimistic the start is pretty good
No.8361
>>8360bright colors arent bourgeois and the reason those buildings are gray and concrete is economical also there are many colorful buildings in many of soviet states also shut the fuck up
No.8362
>>8361Let the man mourn, comrade>>8360There there
No.8364
>>8362;;;__;;;
No.8368
>>8356>is there any star trek worth watching that isn't so loaded with stupid mary sue & hollywood bullshit ?Any one that isn't discovery
No.8370
>>8369you look worse posting pepe
No.8371
>>8369What the fuck is 'we wuz' about this?
No.8372
>>8356The Original Series is good if you like pulp sci fi with an optimist flavor. When it's good, it's really good, but most episodes are meh at best for various reasons.TNG takes TOS's formula and refines it in many ways. Less pulpy, slightly harder sci fi, generally better stories and writing. The first couple seasons and the later ones ought to be graded on different scales because early TNG is reusing unused material from TOS. Where TOS is good, TNG is great.If you like the techno commietopia aspects of TNG but think its optimistic tone is too unrealistic, try DS9. It takes the premise of a federation founded on "naive" ideals and then flexes them in an existential war for survival. Imo, it starts out a little weak but gets really good once it finds its footing.Voyager, eh, has some good ideas that never really get properly developed. Not terrible, but never really becomes too good either. Where DS9 toyed with federation values, Voyager intends to do the same by putting a federation ship tens of thousands of light-years from the federation, but the writers never really firmly decide what that means, so it gets unevenly applied from episode to episode, which can undercut the enjoyment for some because it makes Janeway come off like a hypocrite.Enterprise isn't terrible but it stays pretty mediocre through its run. Imo it fails to capitalize on a lot of its theories too, but it's still definitely star trek. It succeeds in some areas and fails in others. Personally, I don't like Count Bakula as captain. A lot of the time he acts like an idiot and makes stupid decisions instead of principled ones. I don't recommended any of the movies past Undiscovered Country, though Generations and First Contact are watchable, at least. The Motion Picture and Wrath of z Khan are probably the epitome of Trek, with Undiscovered Country following up close behind.STD, Abramsdreck, and pre-emptively Picard don't exist.
No.8373
>>8357The Orville is good. Not great, but good. The first season can be a little rough. It's sort of a 60:40 mix of Star Trek to Family Guy. Expect the gravitas of most scenes to be undercut with attempts at "humor." The second season improves though, but it's still like 80:20 ST to FG.If you've seen ST before, especially TNG, you've already seen it. "It's fine." If you're really hankering for ST though it can get you through.
No.8374
>muh artwork utopiastop, even a fascist's conception of their perfect society would look good
No.8379
>>8377good post
No.8384
>>8356So was the series you stated after good, would you recommend / let us know how it's called
No.8385
>>8377>>8379>Post future >Call a post on past and present a good postStop being retarded Dengoids.
No.8389
>>8388can you provide sources on attaching vegetation to buildings
No.8391
>>8385>believing in past, present and futurelol dummy
No.8392
>>8390is there a specific advantage to vines, other than the nice aesthetics aspects where they can create a consistent converge of a surface.Can you graft food onto vines, or do you need future tech fo that. ?
No.8393
>>8392They turn carbon dioxide into oxygen and can cover large vertical surfaces. Also they look cool.
No.8395
>>8360>Colors are bourgeoisWhy even try with tankies
No.8396
>>8395well the tankies never hated coloursthat was some critical theorists that said that monochrome pictures would demand the viewer to imagine the missing colour information, recreating the dialectical process where interpretation of art was a sublimation of the author and the viewer. Like when you read a novel and your imagination has to process the text to create the head-cinema. So the story your experience comes from you and the author.You know that's why people often feel like the book was better than the movie.
No.8401
>>8388>faggy logoNope.
No.8406
>>8393>>8392In addition to CO2 cycling, plants regulate temperature and moisture. Photosynthesis is an endothermic reaction (sunlight + CO2 + H2O -> C6H12O6 + O2). It helps absorb the energy of the sun, preventing that from heating the building. The foliage also helps break wind, and at a large scale on many buildings this can reduce the windiness in a city. You can also build a water filtration system using rocks, soil, and sand and hold things in place with plants' root systems. There's also positive psychological effects associated with having plants around, and plants help provide habitat for animals like songbirds which also have a positive effect on people.
No.8407
>>8405>pic oneThis is actually what the future will look like for everyone and we will never get to experience it
No.8408
>>119980[fact]
No.8410
>>8409this looks like a photo put through a filteralso this is a sfw board
No.8411
>>8409Quads fucken wasted!!!!!Also: How is this futurist?
No.8415
>>8412> >Quads fucken wasted!!!!!> what does this mean ?That means that the "magical" post number wasn't as good as it should have been. (look at the ending of the number. "dubs" or "doubles" means it's like "33", "trips" means for example "777" etc)
No.8422
>>8420NTA holy shit those empty roads! What a waste of materials! unless it was built in case of a nuclear emergency
No.8423
>>8360One of the most bourgeois things of them all, colour!>>8361>concrete is economicalNot really, concrete and architectures based on it [like brutalism for example] tend to cost more and be worst for the environment, not to mention it breaks down faster.>>8420Hot
No.8424
>>8422>empty roadsOfficial DPRK photos show basically nobody while amateur photos show a lot of people
No.8425
>>8424Okay, this makes it 3 fold creepy imo.So the real question is, in this case: how many people are on the streets based on the spy-satelite photos? ;)
No.8436
>>8390Seems nice but prepare for a ton of insects particularly ants. Also upkeep of those plants would be a nightmare.
No.8437
>>8411Socialist realism > fascist futurism
No.8438
>>8436>oh no, I don't wanna share my living space with animal lifeok boomer
No.8442
>>8439Off-topic: Rumor has it that due to popular demand, Rogal's VA is gonna record himself playing Cities: Skylines in character.
No.8444
>>8442Lmao that's great
No.8446
>>8445Terrible thread, it's making me sad knowing I will never see this future and will probably die in some shithole burger town.
No.8447
>>8446We will probably not see the victory of socialism in our lifetime, but that should not discourage us from fighting for a better future.
No.8448
>>8445Those flags are yikesy af.
No.8451
Star Trek TNG (the infamous "money doesnt exist in the 24th century line" in First Contact always comes to mind) is the only actual socialist version of Star Trek. Most of the writers hated this aspect so they just avoided or or even tried to water it down, like in DS9. So if you're looking for something socialistic, then TNG really is the only one. Even then writers tried to just avoid it and find ways around it in the later seasons. DS9, Voyager and Enterprise are good as television sci fi but they don't really have that essence of TNG that made it so special. Even Orville's dick and fart joke rip off has more of the spirit of TNG, especially since they keep saying humans aren't capitalist anymore every five seconds in that show.But I'd recommend all the Star Trek shows from TOS to Enterprise if you want to watch a utopian sci fi universe. Avoid all the stupid JJTrek and Discovery bullshit, because it's not only terrible but it doesn't even seem like they're in the same universe, they use the Star Trek name for marketing reasons.
No.8452
>>8372>DS9DS9 is good as a serial character arc and war story, and some good morality exploration but it does kinda ruin the whole point of Star Trek sometimes. Like for example, Starfleet is okay with poisoning a whole planet of refugees because terrorists use it as a hideout, that was always really cringey. It doesn't really mash with TNG's portrayal of Starfleet and the future of humanity a lot of the times, and it does so just to create drama. And when Sisko goes on a moral tirade I can never take him seriously unlike Picard, because he does all kind of dirty shit "for the greater good".
No.8454
>>8453Nah thats a conspiracy theory channel run by paranoid nerds who think Disney is a "Marxist communist" company. The reality is CBS just wanted to "update" Star Trek and "make it cool" ie make it into total dogshit.
No.8455
>>8452DS9 is good, but you are right that it sometimes went too far in that "lets be dark just for the sake of it territory", so did Enterprise. But DS9 overall is probably the best written Star Trek show.But let's be glad the showrunners and writers left Star Trek after that, because if you want to see a truly terrible story, watch their pitch for what a season 8 would have been.
No.8456
>>8451ST:TAS gang represent!
No.8458
>>8452Odo died few days ago
No.8460
I like most of this thread.
No.8463
>>8462>don't feel like getting colony dropped.Those things always make me think of gundam and how fucked their universe is.
No.8464
>>8453I guess Bashir didn't cure the founders after all.
No.8465
>>8456The Animated Series is unwatchable even as a 70s kids show.
No.8466
>>8463>GundamIt’s literally just ww2 IN SPESS but then devolved into retarded contrivance just for Bandai to sell more toys.
No.8469
>>8452Even in TNG Admiral Nicheyev was getting on Picard's case for not genociding the BORG, and who knows how many trillions of deaths that would have caused.
>>8451If you like TOS the fan series "Star Trek Continues" provides a fine little extension that is just as good as the source material.
As an aside, I'm watching Voyager right now, and does anyone else find Chakotay's spiritual crap annoying? Like, TNG is pretty hard atheist, but it seems like with DS9 onward the drift towards spirituality keeps getting more egregious, especially with Worf.
Also, man, Janeway sucks. The crew should have fucking mutinied and instituted pirate democracy.
No.8471
>>8451>Star Trek TNG (the infamous "money doesnt exist in the 24th century line" in First Contact always comes to mind) is the only actual socialist version of Star Trek. Most of the writers hated this aspect so they just avoided or or even tried to water it down, like in DS9.I think this comes from the basic problem that utopian societies are hard to tell interesting stories about. It's the reason why most of Iain Banks' Culture novels take place on the periphery of the civilization, or about characters outside of it, or when people from it interact with people not in it. Stories require conflict, and it's why TNG is about the Enterprise exploring the unexplored rather than cruising around (for the most part) inside the Federation apart from the sporadic episodes where they're on a sweet vacay to the pleasure planet.
>>8469>Also, man, Janeway sucks. The crew should have fucking mutinied and instituted pirate democracy.I think the problem with Voyager is that the writers weren't risk-averse enough. There were all these opportunities to throw the ship into such an unusual environment, that they'd have to abandon a lot of the utopian pretenses of TNG. Over time the ship would gradually get worn, they'd give up the uniforms, etc. And this was part of the setup: half the crew are Maquis raiders who have been kinda forced into a survival situation. But the risk-averse writers kept going back to the TNG formula. Maybe there were fan pressures here for "more of the same" but I dunno.
In conclusion:
https://youtu.be/rYxdqsndIF4 No.8472
>>8471 (me)
typo. I mean to say Voyager writers were too risk-averse. They should've taken MORE risks to break out of the standard Star Trek formula.
No.8473
>>8338What's the official name of the second pic in the OP? I want to make it a tapestry somehow.
No.8475
>>8473"Looking back at tomorrow" by Robert McCall
pic shows the painter painting
found this here:
https://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/10/grand-tribute-to-epcots-horizons.htmlby using a reverse image search tineye
No.8476
>>8475Fuck no one has a tapestry of it and the copy image into tapestry sites, seem to have mostly bad editing options.
anon needs a tapestry of this No.8477
>>8476You want this on a peace of cloth ?, have you tried ordering from an online photo tapestry services ?
here is a good quality version of the picture if you intent to get it printed
No.8478
>>8477Yeah I tried but the long nature to it, didn't fit the more square like sizes it needed to fit. Either I had to inlarge a single section or leave alot blank inside. Basically it wouldn't fit the space right. Anyways your saying print. Paper seems flimsy what would be the right material.
my house is white walls renting and not trying to be a cooonsuuuumer but want to add to aesthetic a little No.8479
>>8478>Yeah I tried but the long nature to it, didn't fit the more square like sizes it needed to fit. Either I had to inlarge a single section or leave alot blank inside. Basically it wouldn't fit the space rightYou have look for [b]Panorama[/b], that will get you an aspect ratio that fits this picture
>Anyways your saying print. Paper seems flimsy what would be the right material.well you get printed silk-like canvas-material, that should be more durable than paper.
>not trying to be a cooonsuuuumerwell have you considered learning how to paint ?
No.8480
>>8479Mmmmh pay rent or lose a check on art supplies
>have you considered painting No.8481
>>8452Sisko also literally manufactures a false flag attempt to drag the Romulans into the war.
However, I don't see out it is "less" socialistic than TNG. The Ferengis are portrayed as clowns and go SocDem in the end. That the Federation doesn't use money is hammered home in a lot of episodes. In one of the episodes on earth, they talk about "transporter credits" so they have something like labour vouchers for basic services I guess.
No.8482
>>8455Season 7 was already quite a bit of a mess. The whole thing with the Founders becoming ill, Dukat going insane and turning into a Bajoran, etc. was all over the place and it felt like they made it up on the spot.
No.8485
>>8480NTA but
DUDE! wtf?
> I want a huge ass print> Paint is expensive
> I wanna print on non-paper to hang it on the wall> Painting on a frame? What is that?Anyway… my 2 cents:
print on paper, get a lot of pics, cut out the good parts that you like, do a collage, get a linen or cotton textile for cheap, use the collage as reference OR
decoupage dat shit… although from then on it will be near impossible to wash the textile , get a cheap frame
or build one from 4 fucking planks , hang it on the wall.
No.8488
>>8485Yeah never got the print but you owned me there lol! I'll paint and its thanks to you
comrade thanks for giving me that criticism No.8490
Bump cause I hardly found this badly titled thread
No.8492
>>8491Those mustard greens look yummy.
No.8494
>>8492That's the only problem with them imo.
Way too yummy looking to ever be true.
No.8498
>>8497To be that guy that isn't socialist realism, that's Stalinist Gothic.
No.8500
Slightly off topic but on the topic of architecture:
In the USSR it was mandated that any building over 5 floors required an elevator. Do you think this was a clever way to force planners to keep the skyline low? If so, what is the ideological reasoning behind keeping the skyline low?
Sorry if it's a dumb question but I know little about this and I've seen socialists promote lower skylines before and was wondering if it's a long standing trend that was around before this elevator rule or is entertained because of inspiration by the Soviet's resulting low skylines.
No.8501
>>8500how about ergonomic considerations
climbing ten floors of stairs everyday gets really frustrating really quick.
No.8502
>>8498tfw Stalin was a Goth
No.8503
What role would socialism play as a political system in a civilization with a post-scarcity level economy where the cost of providing people with all of the essentials of life is trivial?
And would concepts like capitalism cease to be relevant in such an economy?
If you can go to a 'star trek' style replicator and get any item you can think of for near zero cost then the only items that will be scarce are one of a kind handmade works of art. And making a profit, which is a core part of capitalism would be meaningless, since it would be impossible to sell someone something, if they have the ability to make anything they need. Some trade of art and mastercrafted hand made items might still happen, but these would be luxuries that people could happily do without (or make a non unique version of it if they wanted it but were not able to get the original)
No.8504
>>8503post-scarcity is based on rationing, basically you have to limit consumption of a minority of megalomaniacs, so they don't use up the basis for post-scarcity of the rest of society.
No.8508
>>8505>The only acceptable fashion will be a suit or spandexChoose one.
No.8509
>>8508>spandexlol that's just body paint
pic nsfw
No.8510
>>8353>you'll never live to see the first picwhy live
No.8511
I don't know why people have this sci-fi view of socialism.
No.8512
Why can't you nerds post normal art of what a socialist country would look like?
No.8517
>>8486based. just started watching next gen. currently on season 2. it's basically space communism and it's awesome. never got into star trek before. got plenty of time now with the quarantine
No.8520
>>8501Skyscrapers are also a very capitalist building.
They go vertical because of the need to cram the population as densely as possible to make the more distributed economy work better. In socialism we'd keep production more local, since most things can be produced pretty locally, and we wouldn't need massive dense cities to function as distribution hubs like we do now.
The veritcal nature of the buildings is also a natural restriction on access. Ideologically and practically speaking there are major benefits to having the big shots live all the way at the top. They can bypass traffic with helicopters, literally look down on everyone else, and it's much harder for the peasants to reach them with torches and pitchforks.
Although if they
do, there's no need for a guillotine, since a fall from that height will kill anybody, and porkies falling from buildings is loaded with meaning - pride goeth before the fall, the bigger you are the harder you fall, porkies doing mass suicide during market crashes, the mirror-like glass windows being shattered when the body is thrown through them just as the illusions of capitalism are being shattered…
No.8522
>>8343damn the first is sick
got a new wallpaper
No.8526
>>8338<Ctrl-F "Constructivism"
>Phrase not found<Ctrl-F "Metabolism"
>Phrase not foundUnimaginative as fuck thread.
No.8528
what are some comfy socialist sci-fi novels bros, want to live in this world
No.8549
>>8546ultra-brainlet here, i dont understand this art style, what should i look for?
No.8556
>>8549A key text of the art form
http://www.terezakis.com/realist-manifesto.htmlThere was a camp in the constructivist movement called the productionists, you see those in more soviet propaganda
No.8561
>>8559socialist realism is fucking trash this shit actually slaps
No.8570
Constructivism is the best! Really sad some of them are in low/grainy quality though. Where would high quality galleries be found? Anyone know?
It might be my favorite visual art movement. I want some of these as real-life wallpapers.
No.8572
>>8355The first and last ones give me hope for greener cities. The middle one sort of does if it had more green. It looks like cyberpunk but with solar and wind energy.
No.8573
>>8520I fucking hate scy scrapers when they are densely packed together. But i also hate when there is alot of people scattered across a rural area mucking up the ecosystem. Imagine dispersing new york across rural pennsylvania if sky scrapers and massive apartments were broken down.
No.8578
None of these artworks tell me "This is a stateless, classess, moneyless post-scarcity society". This is just futurism.
No.8581
>>8578>None of these artworks tell me "This is a stateless, classess, moneyless post-scarcity society". This is just futurism.Well what would that look like ?
i just look for scifi pictures that looks like it's a nice future
i assume that's automatically a communist future because all the capitalist futures i can imagine are post-apocalyptic hell-scapes
>>8580Sure
No.8585
>>8369shut the fuck up frogposter
No.8590
>>8578Communism is inevitable by declining rate of profit, automation etc etc
Therefore Futurism = the Future = Communism
No.8596
>>8595If you were to build the building in the third picture, the giant shells made of out of transparent material will focus sunlight into a death ray that might incinerate people beneath it, you know like what children do to ants when playing around with a magnifying glass.
No.8599
>>8598that looks more like a dreadnought then a building
No.8600
>>8599I was gonna mention it kind of looks like Outer Heaven/Mother Base but on land.
No.8603
this threat makes me both sad and happy
i'm sad because if only the soviets didn't fall,if only they didnt have the cold war forcing them into spending billions into useless weaponry we would be living in orbit around earth,or even moon now
No.8604
>>8603 (me)
like soviet thinkers scientists etc imagined so much they dreamt of a world where socialism was achieved globally a world where poverty and shit was of no concern and humanity was finally getting its shit together and conquering space
instead we have borderline fascist worldwide capitalism
No.8605
>>8604i actually had tears in my eyes reading this
it's about school kids imagining the future of the soviet union and in 2017 they unearthed these time capsules meant for the centennial of the soviet union
https://www.rbth.com/history/326647-5-messages-from-soviet-time-capsulesfeels bad man
No.8606
>>8605this really brings a tear to eyes but also reminds us (or atleast me) of importance of work we are doing
we are struggling,fighting,organizing,reading,writing studying,striking so that all this becomes a reality.
keep up the good work comrades.
No.8611
>>8556I'm crossposting my request from >>>/tech/3501; would love to see more constructivist literature disseminated online.
No.8612
Nice
No.8613
Architecture should be moved to
>>>/tech/ or
>>>/hobby/, is it possible to move the entire thread there and attempt to colonize those boards with active threads such as these combined with a permanent link in a stickied thread here?
No.8616
good thread, good pictures, great work everybody
No.8617
>muh spinny space tube
>muh shitty ugly brutality concrete coffin apartments
>muh shitty materialist utopianism
Fuck off, technophiles. There's more to life than VR porn.
No.8618
>>8617You're being a nîgger out of this
No.8620
>>8618>Y-you're being a heckin níggerino1!1!!1!1Yes faggot I am. Problem you fucking party kraut?
No.14054
>>14030Yeah they interviewed him not too long ago; I quite like his work.
No.14056
>>14032>>14033His art is Kino
No.14058
>>8513bro that third pic is blue origin concept art. why would you post that; is this a joke?
No.16431
amazing thread, revitalized my optimism. good work everyone
No.16455
>>8356Jesus fuck in the name of everything that is good start with Deep Space 9, it's unironically based and basically written by commies. Second best is probably The Next Generation but nothing comes even close DS9.
No.16456
>>8368Deep Space 9. Awesome writing in addition to being actually based as fuck.
No.16457
>>8564looks neat as hell very much appreciated
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