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 No.1101344[Last 50 Posts]

>barges in
>executes sex pest
>denounces stalin
>funds the shit out of third world revolutionaries
>refuses to elaborate further
>leaves

why was cornman such a chad?

 No.1101350

Stop shitposting

 No.1101355

you shit on him too much. He basically got rid of socialism in one country, extended the soviet sphere to the reach of the world, brought us cuba until now

 No.1101360

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>>1101350
i'm not wrong tho

 No.1101373

>>denounces stalin
His only real mistake other than cancelling tractor sharing

Pity these two mistakes had such grievous consequences otherwise he could have had his portrait up there with Lenin and Stalin

 No.1101375

>>1101360
Debouncing stalin was cringe. Beria’s a toss-up. Khrushchev’s foreign policy was good, but that’s about it.

Hell, I like Khrushchev, but think that he was a bad leader. Maybe if he bad a team of minders to boost his based policy and undercut the cringe one it’d be better

 No.1101377

>>1101344
>>1101375
>>1101360
theres also the fact that under his leadership the disciplinary agencies grew lax or nonexistant due to his demonization of stalin or etc

 No.1101392

>>1101377
>lax restrictions on movies, arts and culture in peace time

literally no problem

 No.1101428

>>1101373
and getting Ulbricht out. And Crimea. He had his faults as well but who but Lenin did not

 No.1101432

>>1101392
yeah made all the great movies but the Eisenstein ones. How terrible :(

 No.1101433

>>1101392
im talking about the economy and the disciplinary agencies used to make sure the economy was running

 No.1101501

>World’s most advanced, deepest, most special and FIRST worker’s democracy to ever exist!
<According to tankoids it can all be destroyed by privately criticizing a single man

Now for some people there’s just Great Man Theory
For others….I don’t even know what the fuck this is

 No.1101506

>>1101501
yeah it can by demonizing everything associated with the man. which is arguably one of the reasons why the brezhnov we gotta not purge anyone shit occured because it was associated with the "GREAT TERROR" and all other stalinist policies. THo kruschev arguably helped destroyed this by aalso engaging in purges that alienated everyone else

 No.1101507

>>1101501
Thank you for decommodifying housing by letting us live rent free in your head

 No.1101514

>>1101506
People don’t recognize that le secret speech was the tip of the iceberg. With that said is a little to blame for not having enough oversight over the apparati of repression during the purges, since in the power struggle that came, it was usurped by opportunists like Khrushchev, but hindsight is 20/20

 No.1101519

>>1101514
yeah :/

 No.1101520

>>1101344
If he hadn’t denounced Stalin he actually would have been a peer of Stalin in terms of his value to the revolution. Yes her policies were different than Stalin’s but each set of policies was the correct set for the time in which they were set forth. Krushchev was right to focus on the third world and he was right to refuse to start nuclear war with nato.

 No.1101525

>>1101501
Stop thinking of words as ideas and start thinking of them as noises made by human mouths and you'll start to grasp the argument

There's a story about how Stalin's son took advantage of the name for personal gains
Stalin berated his son over this then finished the chastisement with
>You are not Stalin
>I am not Stalin
Points at a portrait
>That is Stalin, Stalin is the man in the newspapers
>He is a symbol of the Soviet Union and the worker's power
>You cannot use his name for things like this

 No.1101526

>>1101519
But hey, 70-30

 No.1101530


>>1101526
yeah should have done what deng did 70-30

 No.1101532

>>1101344
Denouncing Stalin was wrong because Stalin was the father of the Soviet Union at that point and the society was in part molded in his image. By denouncing Stalin, he denounced the Soviet Union itself.
Also he should have listened to the American farmers and actually grew corn in climates where it was suitable instead of fucking Estonia.

 No.1101556

>>1101532
If truth can kill a society then that society fucked up bad

 No.1101561

>>1101556
True, too bad it wasn’t true

 No.1101567

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>>1101344
literally sigma male playset

 No.1101570

>>1101549
to be honest anon it would have been better if they filtered this propaganda instead of a blanket ban, and even exalt art from the west that where aligned with socialism or neutral to it, as well as creating art so they don't get interested in western art.
propaganda should have been squashed and having any camp on society by having the people no substantial interest in it.

 No.1101586

>>1101582
>When your only perspective is that everything the USSR, the country that lost the Cold War and was destroyed by its own leadership, was necessarily correct, and use this position to invent backwards justifications for every policy no matter how stupid the policy was

 No.1101608

>>1101586
The USSR has all but recovered from its betrayal and collapse, the reabsorbing of Malorussia and Belorussia being the final stage, and China is literally the most powerful nation on earth and has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty. Meanwhile America is on the brink of civil war as people have become fed up with fraudulent elections, soaring prices for gas and basic goods, and a government that cares more about protecting men in women’s sports than actually helping those affected by the crisis. So don’t go gloating that you’ve “won” the Cold War when that clearly isn’t the case

 No.1101654

>>1101608
>The Russian Federation is ackshually the USSR guyz!?
Two sides of the same coin

 No.1101664

>>1101556
>Muh power of ideas
>Khrushchev didn’t lie
Тебя должны поставить раком

 No.1101668

>>1101556
TRUTH
TRUTH
LMFAO

 No.1101670

>>1101668
ah, I see you're one of those

 No.1101673

>>1101664
>Information mattering = idealism
spooked and undialectical

 No.1101677

>>1101670
lmfao while i think stalin went too far at the same time.
kruschev lied and pretended he was innoncent when all along he was a lackey for stalin

 No.1101679

>>1101664
>I can type in cyrillic, therefore you should agree with me!
You realize shit like this only matters to the sort of retarded to get caught up in slavic chauvinism?
I could write an entire screed in support of Hitler in fucking cyrillic, nobody gives a fuck what text you can write in LARPer

 No.1101680

>>1101673
You didn’t read my second greentext and it shows. Fucking Mao had a better take on Stalin with the 70-30 shit then Khrushchev.

And it wasn’t a question of the truth but of disparaging his predecessor in a craven attempt to secure his own position

 No.1101690

>>1101679
Ну пиши. Я даже не русский, а владею языком. Поэтому, мне доступны тогдашние и современные источники.

По такой причине не несу такую хуйню, как ты

 No.1101692

>>1101690
I don’t give a fuck about your ethnic chauvinism faggot

 No.1101699

>>1101690
Является ли инструмент перевода, который я использую в настоящее время, достаточно мощным или я получу тарабарщину, если применю его к оригинальному русскому тексту?

 No.1101700

>>1101692
Рыдай больше, говноед. Jeżeli zachcesz, pomówmy po polsku, a nie po rosyjsku. Mówię w różnych językach

 No.1101704

>>1101700
Wow, spójrz na mnie, mogę przełączyć się z tłumaczenia rosyjskiego przez Google na polski!

 No.1101708

>>1101699
Трудно сказать. Как правило, по-моему, электронные переводчики ненадежны насчет огормных блоков текста. Но если выдадут тарабарщину, отдельно переводи искаженное предложение

 No.1101711

>>1101704
Nauczyłem się rosyjskiego przed polskim. Więc język rosyjski troszeczkę wpływa na moje polskie pisanie

 No.1101717

>>1101708
*огромных

 No.1101745

>>1101664
>statesman throws previous dead leadership under the bus in the hopes of consolidating power to make sure there isn't another gay struggle session

so?

 No.1101768

>>1101745
See >>1101506
It meant tearing down much of what was beneficial of the Stalin government by associating it with “icky mass murderer”

 No.1101773

>>1101708
Я ожидал этого ответа немного, но спасибо в любом случае

 No.1101932

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>>1101582
>*loud screeching noises* First of all there’s nothing the west has ever produced in terms of art that’s useful for anything other than toilet paper, except for the rare occasions where they steal superior art and claim it as their own, so literally nothing of value would be lost by a blanket ban.*screeching noises*
<Fucking Collapses

 No.1101936

>>1101932
Really butthurt about art, are you?

 No.1101943

>>1101936
It's usually MLtoids who are butthurt about abstract art for some reason.
Reminds me of Ilyenkov when he went to the abstract art gallery in Prague and saw that Warhol's Marylin Monroe painting, lmao he almost had a heart attack, it was basically the end of the world
no wonder he was a huge dialectics wanker and shot himself in the end

 No.1101946

>>1101344
Based and Corn pilled.

 No.1101958

>>1101344
>bans private plots of land
>bans coops
>decentralizes planning
>disperses resources on virgin lands
>shoots proles in novocherkassks
A massive idiot but a massive chad who bullied all of the virgin politburo members

 No.1101964

>>1101943
Abstract art is pretty rarted but you sound to me like a bad case of ML Derangement Syndrome

 No.1101967

>>1101932
Ask the average person (who doesn’t live in a costal liberal city in America) whether St Basil’s Cathedral or a Jackson Pollock painting is more objectively beautiful, they’ll pick the cathedral any day of the week. In fact you’d be hard pressed to find a member of the working class who considers pretentious modern western style “art” at all

 No.1101971

>>1101967
Look, the ML-Derangement Syndrome Patient is rarted, but arguing about beauty is asinine.

 No.1102002

>>1101971
Drawing a bunch of squiggles with your own feces isn’t art and never will be

 No.1102016

>>1101967
does it matter ?, if proles like it let them, trying to push for the one true art just alienates people from it, to be better than them you to show you are better compared to them.
the question is filtering propaganda and not letting you be drowned by a wave of western art stopping your own artists making their art, if they wanted to make Soviet Rock or rap or some thing like that is their deal as long it's not anti-communist, after all, you filter anti communist garbage from the west from ever showing their ass to the masses, why not the homegrown stuff.

 No.1102017

>>1102016
Nah man, don’t you know entire genres can inherently be bourgeois?

 No.1102019

>>1102016
As they say, Tsoy Zhiv

 No.1102036

>>1102017
not if you let it, vaporwave was not a neonazi shithole as it is today, but nazis using it massively gave it a fame and they just toke it, this should be true for anything really, even if some genres is like a stronghold to the ideology.

what I'm saying is you need to engage in Cultural warfare against capitalist nations, take everything they have, Mogg their cultures by making better than they ever could, as well as building socialist values in said arts, communist rap, country, modern art, you name it, while fighting their propaganda in their media and making your own to export, once every social fabric is dominated by a passive feeling of the socialism values being there, the same shit that cause capitalism realism will happen to socialism, that's when are in perfect position of dominance.

 No.1102042

>>1101967
>ask the average person (as long as you pick MY decision on what an average person is)
stopped reading, please stub your toes daily for a few weeks.

 No.1102043

>>1102016
>as long it's not anti-communist
that's the thing, MLtoid political system can't deal with even the slightest criticism of their ideology, it is a mortal blown to them
bourgeois political system on the other hand can deal with any "anti-system" screeching by not even breaking a sweat, it can chew it and spit out

 No.1102048

>>1102043
the fact that the system might have serious baked-in flaws is not allowed to be discussed comrade

 No.1102057

>>1102043
what I'm getting at, is that you NEED to be able to allow open anti-communism and STILL not shit the bed and fucking collapse

 No.1102063

>>1102043
sent to gulag
>>1102048
sent to gulag 2x faster

 No.1102066

>>1102043
I was in my store last night, I met an IFBB pro bodybuilder who's retired, his name's Ken something, he trained with Dave Columbo, and he's a good friend of mine.

 No.1102071

>>1101967
>tfw working class is when hardhat so academics aren't proletarian under my unscientific, anti-intellectual taxonomy, contra marx

 No.1102073

>>1101943
>It's usually MLtoids who are butthurt about abstract art for some reason.
it's cause they spend all day looking at kitschy propaganda

 No.1102079

>>1101344
he was the first retard with no idea what he was doing in charge of the leading communist state.
His successors werent better

 No.1102110

>>1102043
i'm a ML tho.
But the reason comes from paranoia for seeing how Capitalist countries censor and purge their dissidents with total backing, and they do through an omnidirectional campaign of propaganda using hysteria and fear to silence their opposition and making it okay to purge them, just yesterday the US raided an African communist party because they claim they where FSB agents, Proofs ?, none, they just did it.
as well knowledge of infiltration's like Cointelpro, Solidarsoc and hong kong and governmental coups, it makes anyone paranoiac and wanting to use Heavy handed tactics to fight back.
the thing is heavy handed methods should only be used when people support them, soft methods of indoctrination and control and fight back against pro-capitalist sentiments and anti-communist sentiments being spread through conspiracy by capitalist powers trying to organize your defeat, capitalist countries do that every day to defend their rule to the point we call it capitalist realism.
Socialist countries needed to invest in books, documentaries, shows, TV programs, musics, that spread socialist values in both in straight and subtle ways and doing the same with anti-capitalism values in society, as well as making "Liberal scares" so that it gets printed in the mind of the people anti-liberalism and anti-capitalism.
as for criticism, it's complicated, criticism is necessary for survival, and for a socialist society it can be fact very beneficial to fix the kinks and social problems, shit that does not happen in capitalism because your anti-system is in most of the time the equivalent of talking to a wall, you can do it, does jack shit, so there needs to create way to separate just, fair and beneficial criticism and the liberal/Glowops that need to be silenced, honestly for art and protests it's easy, criticize the shit of their art and expose the piece as trash and wrong the ban to a rare disco shop in the asscrack of Siberia and for the protests make it obligatory to protest in your own languages and use anti-capitalist and openly hateful to the US while supporting socialism and the nation, Color revolutions and glowops like HK can't handle that.

 No.1102144

>>1102110
we are talking about anti-communist art and music
nobody denies that you need to repress actual anti-communist political organizations

 No.1102148

>>1102110
also, trying to shoehorn pro-communism in art is just a huge cringe
pro-communism should come from the realities of everyday life, not from some party boomer with stick up his arse

 No.1102182

>>1102148
you can't deny it's effective tho even if it's cringe.
and for me the bettering of life that communism bring create people that takes it for granted, principally the newer generations that had no experience with capitalism before the revolution, so it's better to not take any chances and make your move before the anti-communist forces make theirs in your nation.

 No.1102185

>>1102182
>you can't deny it's effective tho even if it's cringe.
>you can't deny that a completely subjective, unfalsifiable, unprovable thing isn't effective

 No.1102201

>>1102185
want proof how well ideas in art affect people, just look at west and their movies, majority of the people think the US won ww2 and never did anything wrong ever because of their movies romanticizing their warmongering deeds, or the existence of a popularity to George orwell.

 No.1102206

Kruschev did more damage to the international communist movement than anyone else. After the "Secret Speech" was leaked to the press, something like half of the communists in capitalist countries abandoned the movement.

 No.1102210

>>1101344
Everyone has its pros and cons, you too OP, you have your own, don't exaggerate it as if this is a big fucking issue

 No.1102215

>>1102206
If knowing the reality of a socialist government is all that it takes to destroy the socialist movement, it was never gonna happen anyway.

 No.1102223

>>1101344
>cucks out on Cuba
>cucks out on Yugoslavia
>breaks up the communist unity in the world
>alienates Mao and Hoxha and half Soviet government
>nationalizes collective farms and causes Novocherkassk

 No.1102237

>>1102215
if reality can be what i make up and sperg on a podium like him then, true.

 No.1102265

Poor comment on the ability of communists to tolerate self-criticism.


>>1102206

>Kruschev did more damage to the international communist movement than anyone else. After the "Secret Speech" was leaked to the press, something like half of the communists in capitalist countries abandoned the movement.

 No.1102279

>>1102206

Really weird how knowing Jefferson was a slave-master, raped his wife's half-sister and fathered his own chattel property doesn't make millions of Americans turn away from capitalism in droves. To what do you attribute this powerful attraction of the capitalist mode of production?

>Kruschev did more damage to the international communist movement than anyone else. After the "Secret Speech" was leaked to the press, something like half of the communists in capitalist countries abandoned the movement.

 No.1102282

>>1102223
Not his fault that Mao and Hoxha were excessively autistic.

 No.1102364

>>1102279
You’re implying this was common knowledge at the time

 No.1102367


 No.1102373

>>1102215
It wasn't reality, though. Kruchev's claims were fraudulent. He lied about Stalin and devastated the worldwide communist movement for political points over internal rivals. Incredibly selfish and short-sighted.

 No.1102376

>>1102373
People think the split was from people being shocked by an idea and not policy decisions which stemmed therefrom

 No.1102378

>>1102373
no, he just wanted communism without repressions and secret police murdering everyone, he wanted to end the constant fear of the mad dictator, so he went a little overboard for a sure kill

 No.1102379

>>1102279
because the communist party were all treated as if they're "Moscow puppets" so criticizing Stalin ended up in criticizing them too,because a ton of those parties actually tried to rehabilitate the "dictator" image that was propagandized throughout the world and actually used Stalin,Marx and Lenin as symbols,so Kruschev basically announced to the world,from the main source,that all those parties were full of shit collaborator to a tyrant (it being true or not doesn't matter)

 No.1102384

>>1102378
>Implying this is true even of the Stalin Era

 No.1102387

>>1102378
>secret police murdering everyone
About 700,000 people were executed under Stalin, in a country of ~200 million. That's less than half of 1% of the population. "Everyone"?

 No.1102388

>>1102378
>repressions and secret police rounding up beaureocrats and other PMCs
Ftfy
That's why liberals find this particular repression so bad compared to other worse far worse ones they may have a few negative words for but don't really care about

 No.1102441

>>1102071
Well at least in the USA they're not. You gotta have a trustfund to make it as an academic there.

 No.1102445

>>1102279
Yeah, man. Finding out Jefferson, a rapist slaveowner, who apprarenty also invented capitalism in America, ought to have motivated the American masses to abandon capitalism.

Read a book, fucking imbecile.

 No.1102689

>coups a legitimate government coup
>destroys democratic centralism
>tries to purge everyone to his left
>entrenches right wing deviations in the party line
>puts an end to marxism leninism
>breaks up the international communist movement
>empowers a careerist bureaucracy
>empowers a counter revolutionary military
>ends soviet self sufficiency
>lies about stalin and his followers
>covers up his own crimes
th-thanks khrushchev

 No.1102694

>>1102282
>muh autism muh autism
Not an argument.

 No.1102714

>>1102689
>destroys democratic centralism
Already done by Stalin.
>tries to purge everyone to his left
Continuing a practice established by Stalin.
>puts an end to marxism leninism
How so?
>breaks up the international communist movement
Stalin had already dissolved the Commintern, though ofc Khruschev's alienation of China and slander of Stalin contributed to further division.
>empowers a careerist bureaucracy
Done inadvertently by Stalin.

Some people genuinely seem to forget that Khruschev inherited a state and party apparatus that was largely Stalin's creation, and most of his worst actions were made possible by having control of this same apparatus. I tend to agree with MLs moreso than Trots when it comes to Stalin's relationship to the bureaucracy, but even if Stalin was an enemy of the bureaucracy he still created the state and party systems which they would use to entrench themselves after his death.

 No.1102742

>>1102387
>i-it's only 700,000 executions, baka!
Fucking unreal lmao

 No.1102832

>>1102714
>Already done by Stalin.
how?
>Continuing a practice established by Stalin.
except stalin did not stablish it, the biggest purges in the su happened under lenin, something all the anti stalin leninists seem to conveniently forget. stalin's purges had the purpose of getting rid of careerism and opportunism in the union, which were widely taken advantage of by right and left wreckers. while khrushchev's purges had the purpose of doing the opposite by attacking the center and left of the party while leaving the bureaucrats mostly untouched. another thing you people forget is that khrushchev himself had a hand in the stalin purges, being responsible for a lot of the excesses he will later on blame stalin for while covering up for himself
>How so?
whatever the hyper bureaucratic reformist state socialism khrushchev stablished in the union was, it wasn't marxism leninism. even if you forgive his right wing deviations, remember he declared class warfare in the soviet union to be over, which is raw and naked revisionism by whatever way you look at it
>Done inadvertently by Stalin.
how?

I'm not blind to stalin's mistakes, but it's not by pointing them out that you will be able to justify all the bullshit khrushchev did. khrushchev was a slimy opportunist first and foremost. his mistakes were not a product of stalin's mistakes, but the very fact he managed to reach power in the first place was.

 No.1102865

>>1102832
>how?
The purges effectively ended any semblance of inner party democracy.
>the biggest purges in the su happened under lenin, something all the anti stalin leninists seem to conveniently forget
I'm not "anti-Stalin", and I would not hesitate to say that Lenin also shares some of the blame for inadvertently strengthening the bureaucracy, however inner party democracy survived Lenin. It did not survive Stalin.
>another thing you people forget is that khrushchev himself had a hand in the stalin purges
That's exactly my point. Khruschev was a product of Stalin's government and its methods, and he directed those methods for the purposes of entrenching the bureaucracy. It was Stalin who made the faction ban permanent and used it to browbeat internal opposition. These were the tools later used by the bureaucracy to insulate themselves from accountability.
>which is raw and naked revisionism by whatever way you look at it
Why? The bourgeoisie and aristocracy had already been liquidated. Who was left to wage class war against in the USSR?
>I'm not blind to stalin's mistakes, but it's not by pointing them out that you will be able to justify all the bullshit khrushchev did.
I'm not justifying anything. I'm saying that a lot of people underestimate the extent to which Stalin set up practices and institutions which enabled Khruschev, and to what extent Khruschev simply continued trends which had begun under Stalin.

 No.1102873

>>1102387
Most if not all are party people. The entire congress of victors got jailed or killed. That’s an entire section of the party just fucking gone!

Stalin weakening democratic centralism was the death knell to the CPSU. Tons of of good scientists died. Tons of artists died. Mostly to fill a quota Stalin gave to Yezhov who himself got purged for killing to many good people. Hell his own predecessor got purged for no reason!

I’m not much on the critical of Stalin but he fucked up a lot besides his achievements.

 No.1103036

>>1101556
society is built on lies, from top to bottom
the only choice you have is will those lies be good ones or bad ones

 No.1103041

>>1102079
no he wasnt. Its almost generally agreed on that even if he was a retard, he believed in communism. Brezhnev was the first one by any means.

 No.1103046

>>1103036
now THIS is redditposting

 No.1103052

>>1102873
Yezhov admitted in his interrogation that he intentionally committed mass murder of innocent loyal communists in order to weaken the USSR. Stalin's mistake was trusting him, sure. But you can't blame him for Yezhov's crimes directly.

 No.1103181

>>1103052
Yea, that guy definitely wasn't a patsy bumped off for following Stalin's orders to tie up loose ends
We can trust confessions extracted through torture so long as communists are doing the torturing

 No.1103186

>>1103181
>Implying

 No.1103189

>>1102742
Agreed, clearly this wasn't enough.

 No.1103192

>>1102742
Why should anyone have a problem with this again?

 No.1103199

>>1103186
>Implying you don't blindly trust everything Stalin ever claimed!
Not even implying, saying it explicitly, this is only controversial to overly online retards doing internet "politics"

 No.1103236

>>1103046
it's a black pill but after you take it everything is much clearer

 No.1103410

>>1103199
Yezhov killed a shit ton of people who weren’t involved in anything. He had to go at any rate

 No.1103442

>>1102742
>700k executed

where is the Balayev poster to tell us that this number was ackshyually invented by anti-stalinist Zemskov and every archival document is fake fabricated by Khruschevites, Gorbachevites and Memorial?

 No.1103456

>>1103410
>Carry out Stalin's dirty work to the T
>Get executed for making the mistake of aiding with him
>80 years pass
<Alienated Western tankoids on the internet rant about how you deserved to die for carrying out Stalin's orders but uh parasocial father Papa Joe is a-okay despite telling you to kill those people

 No.1103477

>>1103456
>Hysterical coping
Stalin should have hadmore oversight over the NKVD and some form of due process. The purges could have used a lighter touch but were still necessary

 No.1103483

>>1103477
>Uhh you're coping
<Literally no arguments
Tankies, polfaggots, redditors; all just retarded smug mirror images

It's like you fuckers can't even wrap your mind around arguing with a Marxist that doesn't shill for your favorite daddy
But then again you're intentionally engaging in a personality cult and consciously rejecting the politics of Marxism in favor of aesthetics, so I shouldn't expect shit from you

At least a well trained dog can help the blind, what are you good for?

 No.1103517

>>1103483
>Didn’t read anything under the greentext
Look, I get it. I used to do the same thing that you were doing in my anarchist and libmarx days. But fwiw, this isn’t gonna help you develop a coherent understanding of what should be conserved and what should be discarded from the original socialist experiments and why, much less create a new one to succeed it.

You’re not trying to convince me, you’re trying to convince yourself

 No.1103533

>>1103517
>Uhh you ignored the point where I said Stalin should've controlled them even more
<Uhh not like you already said Yezhov was just following Stalin's orders
>Uhhhh okay maybe killing 700,000 people, a fuck ton of which were communists, was over board, but uhhhh they still needed to execute a fuck ton of communists anyway to achieve the goal of uhhhhh wiping out any opposition to a single man and setting up tens of millions to die due to military underpreparedness?
It's like you people don't actually know what to say when you meet someone that doesn't hero worship your Great Man of History
>UHHH COPE
<HAHA YOU DIDN'T READ MY FULL REPLY WHERE I SAID HE SHOULD'VE DONE SHIT YOU ALREADY DISAGREE WITH BUT uhhhh MORE DIRECTLY
I teach little kids that are smarter than this

 No.1103536

>>1103442

New Stalinist Repressions just dropped.

 No.1103538

>>1103536
>Tubus Show
Видимо, ты—человек культурный

 No.1103540

>>1103533
I can see you dropped the Pan-African Flag, ecosocialist anon

 No.1103549

>>1103536

Indeed. And through this intro music the Stalin-Mario connection has been confirmed.

 No.1103551

>>1103536
actually, Tubus has some beef with the Balayev gang. They are too unhinged

 No.1103552

>>1103533
>but uhhhh they still needed to execute a fuck ton of communists anyway to achieve the goal of uhhhhh wiping out any opposition to a single man and setting up tens of millions to die due to military underpreparedness?
I need you to substantiate this

 No.1103556

>>1103551

It makes sense. I myself am agnostic on to what extent liberals have tampered with the actual soviet archives.

So my default position is that the documents there put like a relatively upper limit on the number of executions and repressed.

 No.1103558

>>1103556

*put a relatively hard

 No.1103562

>>1103538

Btw I like what you post cpi flag anon. Do you have a burner email you can be reached at?

 No.1103563

>>1103562
I do not. But I am in the leftypol matrix

 No.1103570

>>1103563

Things would be easier off of matrix. So like a temporary protonmail or even temporary fbi.gov would be better.

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>>1103576

Perfect! Msg incoming soon. Check your spam folder just in case.

 No.1103646

>>1103576

Okay done.

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>>1101525
Level 52: Stalin was proto-Batman.

 No.1104474

stalinoid theory be like

 No.1104500

>>1104474
I remember being a confused teenager
You'll start to get a better picture eventually
Keep reading

 No.1104507

>>1104500
>I remember being a confused teenager
What, 6 months ago?

 No.1104512

>>1102865
>Why? The bourgeoisie and aristocracy had already been liquidated. Who was left to wage class war against in the USSR?
What Marx and Lenin have you read Sabo? Lenin mentioned for example that during the state of socialism the class contradictions do not appear and instead in many ways heighten as remnants of class relations attempt to resassert themselves or something like that but anyways if fortunate people have the option to aggrandize themselves with wealth and power by consolidating their position seperate from and over the proletariat, as the bureaucrats in the USSR did, than of course they will take it. This isn't hard to understand.

 No.1104645

>>1102865
>>1104512
Bumping for this dialogue to continue

 No.1104739

>It's like you fuckers can't even wrap your mind around arguing with a Marxist that doesn't shill for your favorite daddy

get over it, we inherited this

 No.1104811

>pro-capitalism thread

 No.1104812

>>1104512
>Lenin mentioned for example that during the state of socialism the class contradictions do not appear and instead in many ways heighten as remnants of class relations attempt to resassert themselves or something like that
I understand that, but this situation does not last forever. By the time Khruschev comes to power, it seems like the defeat of the reactionary classes is effectively secured, unless somebody has evidence to the contrary.
>as the bureaucrats in the USSR did
I don't think that statements about class struggle intensifying under socialism can necessarily be applied to the bureaucrats. I think it's highly debatable whether or not the bureaucracy even constitutes a separate class, and it's worth noting that some of the staunchest Marxist critics of the USSR (like Trotsky) did not think that they did. I myself am undecided, but I lean towards the idea that they did not, but were as Trotsky argued, a "privileged stratum" that was technically part of the working class. The nature of their relationship to the rank and file workers though is another question, since they have shown considerable variation vis a vis their political inclinations. In some countries they have overseen the wholesale restoration of capitalism, as in the USSR and Eastern Europe. In others they have stayed the socialist course, as in Cuba and the DPRK. In others they have struck a middle ground, as in China and Vietnam. Overall it seems that they have no overwhelming in inclination towards either, and can he pulled in either direction depending on local conditions. So while I think Khruschev is rightly criticized for presiding over the entrenchment of the bureaucracy as the dominant stratum of Soviet society, I don't consider this to be the death knell of socialism or the USSR. There was no guarantee that this stratum would have taken the capitalist road that it ended up taking. Certainly I don't think Khruschev can be blamed all that much for not seeing the bureaucracy as the potential threat that it was, since in his day this was still somewhat of a new type of social antagonism. It's only with the benefit of hindsight that we can see the seriousness of his mistakes.

 No.1104844

>>1101344
Wasn’t he an actual frontlines WW2 hero in St Petersburg? I dunno much about him. Only what I could glisten as probably true from movies and Wikipedia.

 No.1104849

>>1104844
He served as a commissar during the battle of Stalingrad but apparently his role wasn't that large.

 No.1104867

>>1102036
Westworld has adopted increasingly leftist themes, and is way better then your average show. Abstract concepts like capitalist alienation, loops, false liberal hope, effectiveness of rioting, and liberal fascism are all presented in various forms. Leftist art by virtue of depth is usually better than mainstream art, and almost always better than reactionary art.

 No.1104869

>>1104849
Lol I just gathered that was probably the case by reading the critique of him here. I wasn’t particularly a Kruschev fan, but previously understood Brezhnev as the downfall of international communism. There’s, apparently, some good points to be made that Kruschev was the downfall and a careerist to boot.

 No.1104875

>>1104869
Khruschev set in motion certain trends which eventually became fatal for the USSR, but Brezhnev I think is far more responsible for failing to address them even once the problem had become more apparent and the USSR had reached the peak of its strength and security. I think that Khruschev probably empowered the bureaucracy inadvertently, in an effort to restore a kind of constitutuonal, "normalized" governance after Stalin's period dominated by crises and emergencies. I think the rise of the bureaucracy may have been a side effect of Khruschev's efforts to carry out this necessary task.

 No.1104888

Schopenhauer < Kruchev< Trotsky < Nixon > Stalin < Proudhon

Change my mind

 No.1104939

>>1104888
I have no idea what this means

 No.1104985

>>1101360
Just look at how happy he looks in that pic and all the other pictures of him with corn. It's like he never lost the little boy in him, and I admire that in a leader. We should all be able to take pleasure in the smaller things in life. Also he killed Banderas, so Khrushchev is okay in my book.

 No.1105001

>>1104985
my headcanon is that he just told a joke about how the corn is almost as big as his cock and everyone is laughing

 No.1105514

>>1104474
>Brezhnev singlehandedly rebuilding socialism
nah
he was Khruschevite lite

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 No.1107819

>>1103556
If the Balayev gang knew books Grover Furr books (and not just his article on Katyn), they would call him anti communist as well, lol

 No.1107820

>>1104985
reminds me of comrade Kim jong un and the childlike joy on his face

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>>1101344
It's funny that he disliked Stalin's "excessiveness" though personally Stalin was the most ascetic commie around. He just knew that the country needed some glitter. Cornman was cheap in public but a gluton and wastrel in person.

 No.1108084

I have doubts about Beria being a total comic book freak. 40 something murdered women seem over the top to me. Any evidence? Where are photographs of skeletons? This might be cooked up by the Kruschev clique. US laches onto anything bad from the soviet union and once both sides are in agreement it's almost impssoble to quesiton it.

 No.1108112

>>1108084
I will never understand the Stalinoid urge to defend a rapist that took credit for Stalin's death and would have made Gorbachev look like Lenin had he actually stayed in power

 No.1109473

>>1108112
The ebil Stalinoid urge to not become a rabid anticommunist and willingly participate in heaping absurd lies and slander into each and every single past socialist experiment.

 No.1109505

>>1108112
>took credit for Stalin's death and would have made Gorbachev look like Lenin had he actually stayed in power
This one I could believe easily. Him picking schoolgirls of the street and putting them into wood chipper not so much.

 No.1109510

>>1108112
you can critisize his political stances, but the rapist Beria claim does not have much proof other than Kruschev claim.

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>>1108058
i dont tend to have strong opinions on architecture but that is hideous

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>>1109473
>The ebil Stalinoid urge to not become a rabid anticommunist and willingly participate in heaping absurd lies and slander into each and every single past socialist experiment.
Except when they claim that the USSR was an evil revisionist social imperialist state after 1953.


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