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/Ukraine/ thread #19 - Al-Amnestij Edition

!!Zelensky accuses Amnesty International of supporting terrorism
>Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has accused Amnesty International of siding with “terrorists” after the organization condemned the Ukrainian military for placing weapons in civilian areas in violation of humanitarian law.
>“Today we saw a report by Amnesty International, which unfortunately tries to amnesty the terrorist state and shift responsibility from the aggressor to the victim,” Zelensky said in a video address on Thursday evening.

Reminder that war is horrible and even Z gang should prefer Ukrainians to give up:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/08/ukraine-sitrep-on-the-ground-report-ukrainian-frontline-collapses.html

!!LIVE MAPS AND UPDATES

>N.B. liveuamap.com is not to be trusted

https://southfront.org/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Andrei Martyanov YouTube & blog for military strategy: https://www.youtube.com/user/smoothieX12

CIA involvement in ukrainian nationalism:
https://www.redstreetjournal.com/p/cia1?s=r

Here’s two specifically about Operational Art & Ukraine
https://youtu.be/SaZGb5vnzkg
https://youtu.be/h99vQ-CMgu8

WATCH TOGETHER
📺 NEWS / EVENTS: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash

📺 HANGOUT / CHILL: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast

WAR TWITTER

https://nitter.net/rwapodcast
https://nitter.net/asbmilitary (still banned)
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WAR TELEGRAM

https://t.me/milinfolive
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https://t.me/intelslava
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https://t.me/AussieCossack
https://t.me/asbmil

UKR WAR CRIMES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuWPSZ7rZzM
https://files.catbox.moe/0p26zt.mp4
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LAST THREAD: >>1100708
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 No.1110358

>>1110351
>ТЫ НЕ ЗА ПУТЕНА ТЫ ЗНАЧИТ БАНДЕРА! ПРЕДАТЕЛЬ! НЕ ХОЧЕТ УМИРАТЬ ЗА КАПИТАЛИСТИЧЕСКУЮ РОДИНУ СУКА! УХ ФАШИСТЫ ХОХЛЯЦКИЕ КОЛЛАБОРАЦИОНИСТЫ ВЕЗДЕ! НЕ ПОНИМАЮТ ЧТО МЫ ОСВОБОЖДАЕМ ОТ ЖИЗНИ ЛЮДЕЙ НА ИСКОННО РУССКИХ ЗЕМЛЯХ!
да-да все предатели имперец ебаный

 No.1110359

>>1110343
>Everything and everyone is just like my retarded understand of US politics!
<I-if you support denazification that means you condone all of Putin's ideals
<Please forget the thousands already dead and dying in the past 8 years of Ukrainian shelling, please forget the rabid fascism in Ukraine and their fall to NATO slavery, it's much more preferable to be part of the greatest anti-commuinst hegemon, I'm totally a communist guyz
Dirty gits like you are the reason that communist movements get repressed, because you think your inane bothsidist nonsense is actually true, because the concept of details, nuance and dialectics are alien to you. You're not a communist, you're not 'for the poor people' you are a Right SR type liberast that virtue signals and concern trolls about things you don't know or care to understand. Lenin would laugh at you like he did at Trotsky, only at least Trotsky actually did things even if he was a traitorous contrarian, YOU are just shitting yourself on a food-frying forum.
Eat Shite
Z

 No.1110360

>>1110358
>NATO openly said it wants Russia to go the way of Yugoslavia
>but have you considered the fact that Russia capitalist?

 No.1110362

>>1110357
>102-0 kill ratio
Can't find it anymore the site the information and documents had been on got taken down and archive.is deleted their copies for "some reason" It described an Iraqi MiG-25 Pilot taking out an F-15 during the first Gulf conflict.
>have never been proven by showing the downed wreckage.
By that metric the F-15 kill ratio should be more like 25:0 because you could count on your fingers and toes the number wreckages that could be confirmed as f-15 kills according to the media. The F-15 is a spectacular fighter, don't get me wrong, but to be in so many conflicts and for so long, its impossible that none got taken out Air to Air. They're tough, but not invincible, as they have a decent loss ratio to SAMs.

 No.1110363

>>1110352
>when imperialists are knocking on your windows
huh? where?
you must mean our dear partners right? that we so eager to sell gas to right? and to buy houses and yachts in right? and send our children to study right?

 No.1110364

>>1110363
>collaboration and partnership is when your trade stuff
So when will you be dropping your "most ideologically pure communist" outfit to slip back into your much more comfortable liberal one? It's rather annoying.

 No.1110366

>>1110343
This is the second time I've seen "darned condom" being used as an insult in my /leftypol/ career, the last time was like a year ago. Pretty amusing insult tbh.

 No.1110367

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>>1110358
>ТЫ НЕ ЗА ПУТЕНА ТЫ ЗНАЧИТ БАНДЕРА
And the hysterics go on. You are such a detestable ideologue (one that doesn't even comprehend ironic hypebole) that I'm not even going to waste the Russian language on you, you besmirch it, no different to Trotsky and traitors like him. Your whinging about "muh capitalists" is fucking nonsense, born from a superiority complex. you keep going on and on about "the people's lives" yet your caricaturization of people supporting Russia (something that includes many, MANY of the LDNR and Ukraine that suffered and welcomed Russia's soldiers) is that of an entitled shitbag, you pretend to care about the people, but you disdain them for being "st00pid ignorantZ". Suffer in Donbass for 8 years then you can decide if Russia's actions are good or not, you boneless scum. Not to mention the soldiers that fight there are not conscripts, they are specially selected groups that either volunteer or are dedicated military men, not 18 year olds doing their 2 years service.
>СВОБОЖДАЕМ ОТ ЖИЗНИ
Russia has saved tens of thousands of lives, already began rebuilding Mariupol and other cities and their air defense has protected many more in Donetsk from the iron rain of MLRS and Tochka-U, have you ever been near an explosion? Felt the terror? The confusion and pain? If you haven't then shut the fuck up.
>ИСКОННО РУССКИХ ЗЕМЛЯХ
READ STALIN YOU FUCKING TRAITOROUS SYCOPHANT, the only people close to being an "имперец" here is YOU.

 No.1110368

>>1110362
I don't want war but I'd love to see how F-22s or F-35s would perform. I think depending on who the US next goes to war with it would be a complete massacre, like if they go to war against Iran, the USAAF would absolutely decimate the Iranian airforce. But I wonder how an air war with Russia or China would look like.

 No.1110370

>>1110363
>our dear partners
<Oh noez the ruling class in a capitalist government does capitalism!
Yeah no duh, faglord. This isn't about them, they're not getting much out of this conflict because they're sanctioned to hell and don't have enough fingers in the military pie to make up for the capital they lost, not to mention many of them revealed their turncoat colors and either left the country or are ostracized. Communists are getting more support by the day and the conflict has given them a foothold in the LDNR and the potential to build a meaningful organized base rather than the easily broken and disconnected Union protests that get crushed. Again READ LENIN, READ STATE AND REVOLUTION.

 No.1110371

>>1110368
One missile to fuck up a runway, and no more American air force.

 No.1110372

>>1110368
>the USAAF would absolutely decimate the Iranian airforce
True, but that's more due to numbers and AWACs than pure superiority. Iran is still a reckonable force
>F-22s
Air Superiority specialists, probably one of the best, but incredibly expensive to maintain and small in numbers, not to mention not Carrier friendly
>F-35
Overloaded multi-tasking turkey that relies on gimmicks and pure force to keep itself viable. its also very expensive. in terms of combat potential its just a jacked up F-16 Block E
>

 No.1110378

>>1110343
Lmao what are you even arguing? I can't tell

Whatever it is, it clearly isn't distinguishing how within capitalism there is a great inequality between the imperialist states and the dependent periphery. Globalization proved too much for it.

 No.1110380

>>1110378
Putin bad, Russia capitalist, NATO and Russia are actually collaborating, you are becoming hysterical.

 No.1110386

>>1110380
I think you meant to reply to the other post

 No.1110388

>>1110386
No, no I didn't.

 No.1110389

>>1110380
>Putin bad, antimp Russia is actually imp, mega imp and antimp collaborating
are you delusional

 No.1110392

>>1110389
Hey, I'm not going to be your go-between translator, talk to the lib/ultra directly.

 No.1110399

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 No.1110401

>>1110399
Liberalism has the situation well in hand.

 No.1110402

>>1110401
Ah, the Working Joe poster! Hallo there!

 No.1110404

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>>1110400
This gave me an idea - another term for the alphabet soup agencies; (glowing) Imps, pic rel could be a good template

 No.1110411

>>1110080
>Mariupol probably have 1/10 of it's original population.
Denazification sorta has the effect of culling the nazis. Here's the z-pill on this, 100% of the non-nazi population support Russia. It's just the nazi population turned out to be much higher than previously thought.

 No.1110429

>>1110367
>Suffer in Donbass for 8 years then you can decide if Russia's actions are good or not
Oh yes, if you live in the war-torn pseudo-republic surrounded by Russian military and private contractors you will be sure to have a high opinion of Russia, and that's why Putin is so popular in that region. Except not really, strangely he enjoys more support closer to Moscow. And if you moved out of the donbass in the past 8 years like 50% of the population? Well you don't have the right to comment on it you scum because you didn't "suffer" the virtuous war for long enough. Only by becoming a martyr can you earn the approval of z-gang.

 No.1110431

>>1110429
Weather in Langley this time of the year?

 No.1110437

>>1110316
This whole "but BRICS is capitalist" smells of running interference for the US.

<b-b-but Multipolarism will trickle down prole!

You say that like the workers have many options. Is there any impending socialist revolution in the works? No?
Then "multipolarism" , which is really just code for the fall of US hegemony, is coming whether you like it or not. Because you can't do anything about it. The breakdown of US hegemony did not come from left forces, they are not being misguided into allying with capitalists. This is a crisis of globalized capitalism and it neither has taken nor requires your input to unfold.

So from the starting point that US hegemony will fade one way or another, why should the left oppose this?

 No.1110440

>>1110431
Cloudy as usual sir, cloudy as usual.

 No.1110442

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>>1110429
>pseudo-republic
I see you Imp, Cr-i-me-a river next
>private contractors
<just blurting "private" is an argument
The USSR is not around, and your moralistic nonsense about capitalism being capitalist is retarded and is a burger view of things as Black and White. This isn't your marvel movies, faggot.
>ou will be sure to have a high opinion of Russia
Given that they actually helped them, yes
>surrounded by Russian military
<for 8 years
Strelkov stop taking heroin
>strangely he enjoys more support closer to Moscow
Source: I made it up
>if you moved out of the donbass in the past 8 years like 50% of the population
Try that again you Google translate using imp
>you didn't "suffer" the virtuous war for long enough
thanks for proving my point about you being a dismissive cunt that has utter disdain for the proletariat and only uses them as a moralistic club to attack people, you're not communist, you're a liberal. Go back to sucking Navalny's cock.
>Only by becoming a martyr can you earn the approval of z-gang.
LMAO no.

 No.1110444

>>1110440
Good thing I'm still on vacation for one more month.

 No.1110446

>>1110442
>your moralistic nonsense about capitalism being capitalist is retarded and is a burger view of things as Black and White
Oh I don't expect mere morals to sway your view. You're quite impressively amoral and lacking in principles.

 No.1110449

>>1110372
How is stealth a gimmick? It’s also faster than a loaded F-16 because it stores it’s weapons inside itself, reducing drag.

 No.1110450

>>1110437
BUT THERES OTHER CAPITALISTS
SOCIALISTS CANT EVER TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SITUATIONS NATURALLY DEVELOPING BY CAPITALISM
THE LAST 100 YEARS SAW SOCIALISTS RISE FROM NOTHING IN PERIODS WHEN NOTHING WAS HAPPENING AND DIDN"T RELY ON THE INSTABILITY CAUSED BY CAPITALISM AND CAPITALISTS TO SEIZE POWER

 No.1110451

>>1110429
I don't want to sound too harsh and please don't take it the wrong way but I pity your mother.

 No.1110455

dear unipolarists:
why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?

 No.1110478

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just a thought ziggoids: if ukraine is a nazi state and all ukrainians are at minimum nazi collaborators, then your resident tank stokholmed ukroid anon should be banned for not assasinating Zelensky yet or blowing some military depot.

DEATH TO NAZIS! DOWN WITH THE TANK POSTER!

 No.1110487

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>>1110446
No I am not lacking in them, you are, blatant projector. Idealism like yours, especially so blatantly inauthentic, breaks upon the rocks of reality every. damn. time. Like I said before, READ STALIN you cretin and cure yourself of your bleating and vague liberal nonsense, or begone from here and stop wasting our time with inane hand-wringing.

 No.1110494

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>>1110450
Yeah no, your critical misunderstanding of communism and how revolutions succeeded and failed is totally warped by your inability to pay attention to details, such as geopolitical situation, the need for realpolitik and making compromises to gain a foothold for the future. Lenin speaks of this and DID it. He didn't start a revolution in the wars middle, he let the government fuck up enough that the people tore it off and rose up to the challenge after the liberal-democrats ended up being another sham. He took advantage that it was wars end, and that the entire globe had been so occupied in fighting itself that Russia could make a deal and isolate itself long enough for the Red Army to begin a Civil War against their anti-communist enemies and so be strong and organized enough to face the intervention as a more or less unified nation. Before ALL of this, he spent years with colleagues theorizing and pushing the youth of the time to execute them, rising up not in bourg elections for leadership, but to gain holds in smaller locales that let them spread influence and class consciousness. More importantly the legacy of the USSR in Russia is inescapable and shapes the minds and direction of the people and government. If this had all been a vaccuum then it'd not be a problem, but it isn't, the USA isn't gonna sit on its ass and let you do a revolution. They'll try to co-opt it, or violently repress it or anything else and without a strong state resisting is impossible. You don't understand this… at all, even in my laymans explanation.

TL;DR: Read Lenin and Stalin, you nonce.

 No.1110495

Looks like Amnesty was forcesld to apologise

 No.1110500

>>1110449
>It’s also faster than a loaded F-16
It can't supercruise, it isn't faster because loading inside creates a larger frame that makes more drag, it is barely faster than the F-16 and certainly not faster than any other US Jet fighter. The stealth is a gimmick as explained numerous times on leftypol. They're only any good if you're flying doing nothing, the moment your bombbay opens the RADAR signature goes up and they'll continue to track that blip. Not to mention that it only functions against certain short-wave RADARs. A long-wave can detect it, and Russia and most others combine it with short-wave to track targets clearly. The F-117 and F-22 did it right, a small series of tactical strike aircraft, they pop in, strike hard and get out in the confusion masking their signature. The F-35 can't do that. It's got poor handling for a thrust vectoring jet and all the various tech stuffed inside has to make up for that. There is also nearly no redundancy on the systems, meaning a malfunction is fatal, and complicated planes can and do malfunction. The F-16 is prone to that.
Sure the engine is strong, but a single engine limits the design size and carry capacity and if it gets fucked up, then there's no back up to keep it flying. It could replace the F-16, but it's meant to replace the F-16, F-18 and to an extent the A-10. Given the retiring status of the aging and poorly maintained F-22s, that is also a role its getting pigeonholed into. etc. etc.

 No.1110501

>>1110478
Nice fallacy you got there faggot.

 No.1110505

>>1110495
it's all ogre now

 No.1110516

>>1110495
it's a weird apology. they stand by the finding but "regret" the pain caused. so what they said is true but they're sad that libs cried.

 No.1110517

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NEW BREAD
>>1110515
NEW BREAD
>>1110515
NEW BREAD
>>1110515

Join after this one hits Page 3 or 4.

 No.1110518

>>1110516
Being libs themselves, this kind of backpedaling apologia is typical

 No.1110520

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>>1110478
You think I still live in Ukraine?

 No.1110537

>>1110478
> all ukrainians are at minimum nazi collaborators
nobody said that except you, dummy

 No.1110538

>>1110455
damn this new rage against the machine song sucks

 No.1110776

>>1110520
which AES state did you pick to live anon

 No.1111507

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>>1110478
no one actually thinks Ukraine is a nazi state, the reason why posters support Russia is that they don't like the govs in charge of the west
>enemy of my enemy and all


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