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 No.1106749[Last 50 Posts]

/Ukraine/ thread #19 - Al-Amnestij Edition

!!Zelensky accuses Amnesty International of supporting terrorism
>Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has accused Amnesty International of siding with “terrorists” after the organization condemned the Ukrainian military for placing weapons in civilian areas in violation of humanitarian law.
>“Today we saw a report by Amnesty International, which unfortunately tries to amnesty the terrorist state and shift responsibility from the aggressor to the victim,” Zelensky said in a video address on Thursday evening.

Reminder that war is horrible and even Z gang should prefer Ukrainians to give up:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/08/ukraine-sitrep-on-the-ground-report-ukrainian-frontline-collapses.html

!!LIVE MAPS AND UPDATES

>N.B. liveuamap.com is not to be trusted

https://southfront.org/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Andrei Martyanov YouTube & blog for military strategy: https://www.youtube.com/user/smoothieX12

CIA involvement in ukrainian nationalism:
https://www.redstreetjournal.com/p/cia1?s=r

Here’s two specifically about Operational Art & Ukraine
https://youtu.be/SaZGb5vnzkg
https://youtu.be/h99vQ-CMgu8

WATCH TOGETHER
📺 NEWS / EVENTS: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash

📺 HANGOUT / CHILL: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast

WAR TWITTER

https://nitter.net/rwapodcast
https://nitter.net/asbmilitary (still banned)
https://nitter.net/GeromanAT
https://nitter.net/wargonzoo
https://nitter.net/plnewstoday
https://nitter.net/RALee85
https://nitter.net/MarQs__
https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael
https://nitter.net/IntelCrab
https://nitter.net/NotWoofers
https://nitter.net/michaelh992

WAR TELEGRAM

https://t.me/milinfolive
https://t.me/hueviykharkov
https://t.me/conflictzone
https://t.me/vorposte
https://t.me/intelslava
https://t.me/grey_zone
https://t.me/AussieCossack
https://t.me/asbmil

UKR WAR CRIMES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuWPSZ7rZzM
https://files.catbox.moe/0p26zt.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/g0ipce.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/k5twey.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/0lv22z.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/rv8x2t.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/lywwvl.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/5htqz4.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/y4mlrg.mp4

LAST THREAD: >>1100708

 No.1106751

It's funny cause amnesty international is like a socdem if it was a organization.

They constantly along with HRW get accused of being usa propaganda by people.

 No.1106754

I added the warcrime links from the last anon, very good idea cause that shit gets deleted from youtube in seconds. I rememberlooking for the video of this "Botsman" Nazi being there a day before everybody was reported dead and it was simply gone. Not sure whether I ever found it again.
Ah fuck my potato sticks are done. See you guys

 No.1106755

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Ukrainebros I don't get it. According to pres Zelensky and the MoD

>about 40% of Russia's initial personnel has been taken down

>we getting billions on modern weaponry from the west
>Russia is using old artillery from 60 years ago
>Russia has show strategic and logistic incompettence
>we been destroying dozens of ammo depots and Russian command centers every day
>we're getting top intelligence advice from NATO
>sanctions have been bleeding the Russian economy for 5 months
>Russian recruits are demotivated and dropping

Why can't we push Russia out of our coast and the Donbass?

 No.1106759

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Cats from the "K" Special Purring Forces of Russia on the frontline.

 No.1106760

>reading the comments on the amnesty tweet
I hate liberals so much bros

 No.1106762

>It's funny cause amnesty international is like a socdem if it was a organization.
Took them long enough to publish when they've known for a while covering legal ducks or

 No.1106764

Reminder that invading countries is what democratic countries like America and Britain do, while using human shields is what terrorist organizations like ISIS and Hammas do

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 No.1106767

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>>1106755
Don't forget Russian soldiers are old, drunk and like ZZ Top

 No.1106774

>>1106766
Least cucked to the west balkoid

 No.1106783

Uhh guys?
https://nitter.net/ELINTNews/status/1555556979732611072
>Strikes on Tel Aviv likely inbound in the coming hours
https://nitter.net/301military/status/1555561752103878659
>"The Islamic Jihad" has declared war on Israel.
>The southern regions of Israel have opened bomb shelters for the public.
https://nitter.net/DavidADaoud/status/1555555974785769472
>PIJ Sec.Gen. Ziad al-Nakhala after Israeli airstrike in Gaza which killed PIJ commander: "We are heading to battle, and there is no truce after this airstrike."

 No.1106785

>>1106783
it's coming home, lads

 No.1106792

>>1106751
>They constantly along with HRW get accused of being usa propaganda by people

Probably because their reports due to liberal bias are used to justify wars in places like Iraq and Syria. We just talked about this in the last thread, they have a key role in coming up with 'democratic' wars of the imperialists. Meanwhile they want to clarify that nothing Ukraine does justifies the war whether defined as 2014 or 2022

 No.1106798

National review is speculating that the NYT Thomas Friedman article revealing that there is significant distrust between Biden and Zelensky suggests that Biden may throw him under the bus.

>Your mileage may vary, but I see two possible motives here. Possibility one is that the Biden administration just wants the Ukraine-Russia war to end, and Zelensky isn’t playing ball, so the administration is getting ready to leave Zelensky hanging out to dry. Possibility two is that the administration foresees the Ukraine-Russia war going badly, and is preparing to use Zelensky as a scapegoat. They’re laying the groundwork to argue, “we did everything we could to help the Ukrainians defend themselves, but in the end, they were too incompetent, too corrupt, and too beset by infighting.”


>[…]


>Joe Biden now finds himself in a proxy war with Russia, and he never wanted to be in one. Before Russia invaded, he let slip that a “minor incursion” might not trigger a full U.S. or NATO response. Biden sees the mounting consequences of the Russian invasion – higher energy and food prices, a global famine, a potential cold winter for western Europe – and probably just wants to get out of this mess; if Ukraine has to make some territorial concessions, well, the U.S. was never that interested in who controlled the Donbas region anyway


https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-is-the-white-house-quietly-griping-about-zelensky-now/

Perhaps Ukraine firing some top government officials, arguing over the Kherson offensive, and having nothing to offer this crisis besides demanding more weapons and sanctions is starting to cause problems.

 No.1106805

>>1106760
I wonder if Amnesty international will retract their report over the liberal backlash.

 No.1106838

>>1106805
If they have balls they won't. To save face maybe they will report russian warcrimes harder and not mention new ukranian ones.

 No.1106842

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lol

 No.1106847

>>1106842
You can just feel the cope and the seethe that´s put into the creation of these arts

 No.1106849

>>1106755
they did push Russia outside of everything else

 No.1106850

>>1106783
bruh, I read on an iranian press release that the commander of the IRGC said that the Palestinians had over 150,000 missiles

 No.1106853

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>>1106751
>They constantly along with HRW get accused of being usa propaganda by people.
wonder why

 No.1106857

>>1106842
*wheeze hahahaha

 No.1106858

>>1106849
That´s true, we did beat them in the battle for Snake Island

 No.1106862

>>1106805
>I wonder if Amnesty international will retract their report over the liberal backlash

They have to be careful when they do this reporting. Amnesty/HRW are part of a Western civil society apparatus, meaning state funded NGOs employed as liberal soft power, which played a key role in Syria and Ukraine. They can't undermine what they spring from.

 No.1106864

>>1106862
its also after Friedman threw them under the bus as well so I think they kinda waited to not be the first. They fucked up hard in Syria, as far I remember.
I dont think theyre evil or nothing, and it takes time to collect and look into evidence. But I think they had a general idea that they will survive it

 No.1106872

>>1106805
They won't, there is too much evidence. It's an open secret that Ukraine used cities to slow down the Russians, and civilians to shield their military ops. It's cynical and pragmatic, but militarily was the smart thing to do, big part of why they didn't get steamrolled.

 No.1106885

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The current state of affairs on u.s. media.

 No.1106887

>>1106842
>Bucha, a 'massacre' which a couple hundred people supposedly killed
>is a mountain compared to
<POPULATED CITIES ALL OVER EASTERN UKRAINE USED AS MEAT SHIELDS, RISKING OR OUTRIGHT CONDEMNING TO DEATH TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS WHO COULDN'T ESCAPE

ok man

 No.1106891

>>1106885
from day one of that bullshit propaganda blitz by trump to make guaido the leader of venezuela, it was obvious it was never going to succeed. i don't even know why they pulled it. the media itself, usually ready and eager to play ball for state department talking points, were continuously referring to the independent observations conducted on those elections and how there were no issues found.

 No.1106893

Isn´t this AI report kind of the end of the Europoor Union membership? Like, how the fuck can a country that uses human shields be accepted in the EU

 No.1106898

>>1106893
It is never going to happen. They only entered the waiting list like Turkey, ha. Even a partitioned Galicia won't enter because it will get ravaged by neoliberalism even more.

 No.1106899

>>1106885
Are they really still talking about Taiwan?

 No.1106906

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He left us too soon

 No.1106947

>>1106842
Whataboustism: created in the USSR; perfected by the USA.

 No.1106957

>>1106751
I mean, they definitely are, theres well documented cases of full glowop made by AI (koweit babies anyone?), their report on west countries only includes the most solid bulletproof documented evidence (and not even all of it) while any report onto an enemy of the west is filled with all unsubstantiated claims, random testimony without investigation and circular source referencing.

 No.1106963

>>1106842
lmao delusional
the classic lib "all dissenting opinion is russian trolls they're EVERYWHERE ! what do you mean the west own bias, we're liberals, we're perfect and dont have any bias or propaganda, truth 100% all the time !"
like, they seriously believe AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, a PROVED GLOWING WEST NGO, is a tool of russian propaganda rather than believe their bias may have led them to whitewash ukrainians army ?

 No.1106996

>>1106885
We don't talk about Guaidó…
For real, it's funny how he's still hanging on with U.S. support despite not having any real power at all.

 No.1107009

>>1106751
Of all human rights orgs I think they're the least shit by far. They're not perfect obviously, but they seem to be the most unbiased and have in some cases been the loudest voice against rightoid dictatorships, they were instrumental in ending the military dictatorships of Latin America for example.

 No.1107018

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A board member of Amnesty Finland tweeted out an article from The Grayzone
https://nitter.it/SyksyRasanen/status/1555533973538934788

 No.1107034

>>1107018
This seething soothed my heart.
>you DARE use russian linked propaganda???

 No.1107035

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The absolute state..

 No.1107037

>>1107009
I think those doctors without borders are allright, of all of them I heard the best about them

 No.1107038

>Institute for the Study of War: Ukraine actively shaping the war for the first time
into the shape of a crater
>The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) assessed that Russian troops are likely responding to counteroffensive efforts by Ukraine in the currently occupied southern Kherson region by ramping up the relocation of its personnel and military equipment to Kherson and the western Zaporizhzhia oblasts.
no counteroffensive, just efforts towards one
>The think tank's latest assessment comes days after it reported that Ukraine's long-awaited counteroffensive had likely already begun
we aren't actually sure if it's begun yet

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-shaping-war-counteroffensive-isw-himars-kherson-russia-1731152

 No.1107040

>>1107018
What a madlad, the pro-ukrop libs will lose their shit over this lol

 No.1107042

>>1106853
Context:
The Nayirah testimony was false testimony given before the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990, by a 15-year-old girl who was publicly identified at the time by her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and President George H. W. Bush in their rationale to support Kuwait in the Gulf War.

In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was Al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيرة الصباح) and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign, which was run by the American public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.[1][2]

In her testimony, Nayirah claimed that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die.

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British NGO, which published several independent reports about the killings[3] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors … fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die."[4] Amnesty International reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement".[5]

 No.1107043

>>1107035
The US should do it too. I want to see burger libs twist themselves to justify this.

 No.1107056

>>1107043
They already have been justifying social media censorship since Trump got elected.

 No.1107062

>>1107043
>The US should do it too. I want to see burger libs twist themselves to justify this
Burger libs are way past this. They are pretty degenerated

 No.1107066

>>1106792
>Meanwhile they want to clarify that nothing Ukraine does justifies the war whether defined as 2014 or 2022

Yeah, it was weird how reading their article about Ukraine's war crimes they had to preface it with "but uh by the way Russia does bad things too and just because Ukraine commits warcrimes that doesn't mean that Russia hasn't either or is justified in doing so."

Like, yeah, that's true, but

 No.1107069

>>1106798
>Possibility one is that the Biden administration just wants the Ukraine-Russia war to end, and Zelensky isn’t playing ball, so the administration is getting ready to leave Zelensky hanging out to dry.

I find this possibility hard to buy when it's been the US driving this war from the start.

>Possibility two is that the administration foresees the Ukraine-Russia war going badly, and is preparing to use Zelensky as a scapegoat.


Now we're talking.

>Joe Biden now finds himself in a proxy war with Russia, and he never wanted to be in one. Before Russia invaded, he let slip that a “minor incursion” might not trigger a full U.S. or NATO response. Biden sees the mounting consequences of the Russian invasion – higher energy and food prices, a global famine, a potential cold winter for western Europe – and probably just wants to get out of this mess; if Ukraine has to make some territorial concessions, well, the U.S. was never that interested in who controlled the Donbas region anyway


Pure gaslighting.

 No.1107071

>>1107069
>war going badly, and is preparing to use Zelensky as a scapegoat
that will also not work, cause hes Harry Potter for Libs now and you cant just exchange him with Snape. Maybe if they bring a woman. But even then, not every Lib will buy it.

 No.1107077

>>1107071
>Maybe if they bring a woman
Kill Zelensky, replace with hot ukrainian wife.

 No.1107083

>>1107062
>>1107056
True.
>>1107069
The "inevitability of the sanctions". The US is simply powerless and the sanctions come to exist automagically.

 No.1107084

>>1107077
theyll just bring out Timoshenko again

 No.1107087

>>1107083
It's that kid on the bicycle meme. "How could Russia do this?"

 No.1107097

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>>1107097
Well you can't argue with facts and data!

More seriously wasn't the point of the 1954 thing to make NATO members recognize it was an ostensibly anti communist alliance?

 No.1107109

>>1107103
The offer was semi-serious. Accepting USSR into NATO would've made it useless.

 No.1107110


 No.1107112

>>1107110
Based North Korean volunteers fighting for multipolarity.

 No.1107114

>>1107110
Comrade Kim would win the war by Christmas

 No.1107133

Apparently Wagner Aussault Groups are already in the outskirts of Bakhmut.

 No.1107134

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Student uniforms of a Moscow art academy.

 No.1107143

>>1107133
the collapse is underway

 No.1107161

>>1106749
How it feels to be on one side with /pol/ and russian big capital and ultra-nationalists?

 No.1107164

>>1107161
Feels goood, animal (you're no man). How does it feel to suck Biden's clit?

 No.1107166

>>1107164
I am from russia there is no Biden here. All class traitors like you at the end of the day will get what they deserve. I am only upset, because we live in the same planet

 No.1107171

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 No.1107174

>>1107166
NTA but it goes both ways, I'm in the West and theres no Putin here. if anything it makes sense that people are reacting to the situation according to how it applies to them.
Anyways, if you're Russian and the CPRF is cucked, does any alternative exist for the latteR?

 No.1107188

>>1107018
amnesty international is NAZBOL GANG

>>1107134
what

 No.1107189

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>>1107188
>>1107018

Amnesty is Z gang

>Ukrainians have undated the Amnesty International logo and incorporated the Russian pro-war Zvastika symbol as outrage mounts over the international human rights organisation’s shameful criticism of Ukraine’s efforts to defend itself against Vladimir Putin’s genocidal invasion

 No.1107193

>>1107189
Ukroids are something else. It's like they live in a world where they think ukrainian exceptionalism is real

 No.1107202

Western special ops vets training Ukrainians – The Guardian
Group members told the paper Ukrainian recruits' training and combat experience was lacking to the point where weapons supplied by the West were largely going to waste.
https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://www.rt.com/russia/560327-western-ex-military-train-ukrainians/

75,000 Brits vow to stop paying their energy bills
As energy prices in the UK are set to reach record highs, an anonymous group called ‘Don’t Pay UK’ has launched a campaign calling on 1 million Brits to stop paying their energy bills on October 1, when prices are expected to jump once again.

Campaign members say that at least 75,000 people have so far pledged to cancel their direct debits for gas and electricity in protest of escalating costs. The UK government is now slamming the campaign as “highly irresponsible,” as reported by The Independent on Thursday.

“This is highly irresponsible messaging, which ultimately will only push up prices for everyone else and affect personal credit ratings,” a government spokesperson was quoted as saying by the outlet.

“While no government can control global gas prices, we are providing £37bn of help for households including the £400 discount on energy bills, and £1,200 of direct support for the most vulnerable households to help with the cost of living.”

The government’s energy price cap, which is set by regulator Ofgem, is predicted to rise above £3,000 ($3,618) on October 1, a nearly 65% increase. Energy costs already rose by 54% earlier this year.
https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://www.rt.com/news/560322-dont-pay-uk-campaign/

G20 states revolt against US pressure – Bloomberg
The US-led drive to isolate Russia through sanctions has not succeeded, as half the countries in the Group of Twenty leading global economies refused to sign on, Bloomberg reported on Friday.

According to the publication, senior officials from leading Western nations are surprised by the lack of support within the wider G20, despite their efforts to make the case for restrictions against Russia.

Argentina, Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, and Turkey have not joined the sanctions that were adopted by the US, UK, EU, and their allies Australia, Canada, Japan, and South Korea. Some nations, like China and South Africa, have openly criticized the restrictions. The G20 nations account for around 85% of global economic output.
https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://www.rt.com/business/560298-us-sanctions-russia-failed/

Russia labels France ‘unfriendly’ state
Russia considers France an “unfriendly” country because of the steps Paris is taking against Moscow, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Friday, adding that the time is not right for contact between their leaders.

“First of all, France is an unfriendly nation, owing to all the measures France is taking against this country,” Peskov emphasized when asked why Russian President Vladimir Putin and his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron have not been in touch lately.

“As for [the two leaders] not having any calls lately, they simply do not feel like the time is right just yet, and there is currently no need for talking. If the need does arise, they will be able to get in touch whenever they want to,” he said.

Russia’s “unfriendly countries” list – introduced back in March in response to Western sanctions over its offensive in Ukraine – includes the EU states, US, UK, Canada, and a number of other nations. Moscow has slapped its own restrictive measures against all of them.
https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://www.rt.com/news/560299-france-unfriendly-russia-peskov/

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 No.1107205

>>1107110
under8ed

 No.1107207

>>1107193
They do legit think that, that's part of Ukrainian nationalism since it was constructed in the late 19th century. Like ideas about a Urheimat (original home) of the white race amongst wheatfields with blond braided girls running around is part of their national myth in the OUN-B version of Ukrainian nationalism. There are also Ukrainian nationalists that believe Atlantis was in Ukraine and its sinking was the creation of the Sea of Azov.

 No.1107220

>>1107207
>There are also Ukrainian nationalists that believe Atlantis was in Ukraine and its sinking was the creation of the Sea of Azov.

 No.1107227

>>1107202
>As energy prices in the UK are set to reach record highs, an anonymous group called ‘Don’t Pay UK’ has launched a campaign calling on 1 million Brits to stop paying their energy bills on October 1, when prices are expected to jump once again.
Nice.

If only Americans managed to get something like this going for rents back in 2020.

 No.1107233

>>1107189
Accused of being a glowing NED imperialist NGO by ziggers and a ruZZian putinist propaganda op by ukroids. I'm beginning to think those guys are based.

 No.1107234

>>1107166
>russian big capital and ultra-nationalists bad
>NATO big capital and ultra-nationalists good

 No.1107237

>>1107233
Finding Amnesty literally cheering for NATO and US isn't even difficult, breh.

 No.1107238

>>1107161
Are Russian capitalists even for this operation? I mean, the weapons industry in Russia is state-owned, so the MIC in Russia has a different character.

 No.1107247

>>1107237
if anything, AI calling the US' proxies out and getting screamed at by insane democrats is more just telling how far the democrats have shifted.

 No.1107254

>>1107134
This has got to be some weird performance 'art', right? That said I wouldn't necessarily complain if they wanted to dom me.

 No.1107264

>>1107254
Imagine pelosi in one of those uniforms, whispering in your ear " you want taiwan, big boy? you want it hard? come and get it".

 No.1107265

>>1107238
There would be no operation if they were against.

 No.1107266

>>1107247
Picketty got screamed at for debunking the benefits of markets. It's just some dumb lib not understanding you're not supposed to display intellectual honesty.

 No.1107270

>>1107265
Hope you're not one of those babbies that's going "Um, akshually, Russian porky want Donbass".

 No.1107274

>>1107270
The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.

 No.1107281

>>1107274
That doesn't mean that what they're seeking is profit. Try to actually understand what you're quoting. Got enough complaints that communists treat Marxism like a religion as it is.

 No.1107285

>>1107281
Pray tell, what are they seeking? Because I hope you don't mean that they want to save the people or something.

 No.1107289

>>1107281
If Russian capitalists disagreed with the operation there would be no operation because they are the ruling class of Russia. I don't know how to be clearer than this, I was simply answering to the anon asking if they were for it. Crazy that you call me religious just for quoting Marx in marxist forum.

 No.1107298

>>1107285
National security.

>>1107289
And how does Russian millionaires leaving by the thousands factor in?

 No.1107307

>>1106767
>Russian soldiers are old, drunk and like ZZ Top
Yeah, they're based.

 No.1107310

>>1106858
>we did beat them in the battle for Snake Island
LMAO

 No.1107317

>>1107298
You have a source for them leaving by the thousands, preferably something that is not usaid/ned sponsored?

 No.1107328

>>1106885
I love how the spanish acronym for US is EU

 No.1107331

>>1106996
>>1106963
>like, they seriously believe AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, a PROVED GLOWING WEST NGO, is a tool of russian propaganda rather than believe their bias may have led them to whitewash ukrainians army ?

they know amnesty international glows, but on the rare occasion it steps out of line and embarrasses the USA, or its allies, or its proxies with that pesky and troublesome thing called "real life," it has to be publicly humiliated and treated like a pariah. It all plays into the wider US persecution complex. "even our own NGOs have been infiltrated by those dastardly Duginistas!"

 No.1107336

>>1107331
Was it actually humiliated for embarrassing US or its allies before?

 No.1107338

>>1107289
too vulgar. the role or wishes of capitalists and state are not always the same. capitalists think primarily in terms of short term profit. it's the job of state to think in longer term stability and advantage, sometimes beyond immediate market forces or profit motive. russian capitalists can disagree with the policy and the state would say it's in the interest of the nation's stability and long term health, so it is therefore also in the interest of russian capitalists, even if they're too focused on next quarter's profits to see it right now. Likewise a lot of western capitalists and big business don't agree with all the russia and oil sanctions and would prefer they didn't do that because squeezing the oil and gas market is bad for business and causes inflation, but the western states are doing it anyway.
So yes, Russian capitalists can disagree with the operation and the state might do it anyway.

 No.1107340

>>1107233
>Accused of being a glowing NED imperialist NGO by ziggers
they are though. they were responsible for helping fabricate the "Nayirah Testimony" in the 90s leading up to the 1st gulf war.

 No.1107347

>>1107336
Yes. Amnesty International's decision in February 2021 to strip Alexei Navalny's status as a Prisoner of Conscience, due to comments made about migrants in 2007 and 2008 regarded as hate speech, provoked criticism from other glowie NGOs. By revoking Navalny's status as a special little boy they drew the ire of all the other glowie NGOs. Vid related is why they revoked his prisoner of conscience status, but because he was the US's chosen guy against Putin, he was supposed to have all his unsavory shit swept under the rug.

 No.1107348

File: 1659745685949.png (46.71 KB, 1024x204, ClipboardImage.png)

JUCHE EUROPEAN TOUR

 No.1107349

>>1107347
Rare Navalny W

 No.1107351

>>1107349
explain what you mean

 No.1107352

>>1107174
This is the truth, every leftist wants to blame their own government for every evil and I see nothing wrong with that

 No.1107353

File: 1659745774328.png (640.48 KB, 567x756, ClipboardImage.png)

>For the wife of Azov Regiment commander, a life upended as she faces uncertainty about husband’s fate

https://archive.is/0HFbr

 No.1107356

>>1107351
Guns are based, killing salafis is based

 No.1107364

>>1107338
I don't think Marx is too vulgar, it's simple, the Russian capitalist class as a whole who put and kept the current executive branch of the Russian state in place supports this military operation. This doesn't mean there aren't stragglers and defectors, that a social class is a hive mind, or that a social class is only an agglomerate of rational individuals.

I guess the real difficulty is that some people biased toward Russia here are trying to worm their way out of this even if it's communism101 because if they know that if they follow this line of thought you may conclude that this war is inter imperialist in nature.

 No.1107365

>>1107364
Multiple anons here have argued that Russia is not even remotely imperialist and that even if they were, they are still the good guys compared to NATO.

 No.1107367

>>1107364
"the state never does anything a majority of the capitalist class disagrees with" isn't marxism 101.
maybe you're saying it is as a way to sustain your view that this is an inter-imperialist conflict.

 No.1107374

>>1107365
Yes, it seems to be a popular opinion here. Hence the revisionism.

>>1107367
It's not necessarily my view, but certainly if your goal was to make Russia look "good" and your stance is that capitalists are "evil" (especially the US ones), you would try to separate the Russian state from the Russian capitalists even if it goes against basic observations confronted to Marxist theory. With this kind of weak claim for example
>And how does Russian millionaires leaving by the thousands factor in?

 No.1107376

>>1107356
pretty sure navalny doesn't bother distinguishing which immigrants are salafists. they're all "cockroaches" to him.

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 No.1107382

>>1107110
if true then we have reached BAZED levels never thought possible

 No.1107384

>>1107374
You're overcomplicating things the DPRK is involved and that means that strategically Russia winning this conflict helps the cause of communism or alleviates a humanitarian crisis

Defer to the DPRK on this they have a better read on the situation than you do due to having better access to professional strategists, intelligence analysts, and theorists than you do or I do

tl;dr You me = clueless chumps best korea = the pros defer to the pros

 No.1107392

Bruh, amnesty international ‘’really’’ struck a nerve, huh?

 No.1107394

File: 1659748164920.jpg (142.43 KB, 801x1280, 69withhookers.jpg)

RuZZZia iZ doneZ!

 No.1107398

>>1107347
oh wow, a nglo actually did what it claims it does

if all those democracy loving ngos actually the same standards to dissenters as they do to supposed dictators, there wouldn't be a single fucking prisoner of conscience left in the world

Have you noticed how few famous political prisoners there are who are actually decent people? Despite the supposedly massive repression this or that country who just so happens to be inimical to the West, the West goes to Herculean lengths to find a single damn dissenter who didn't actually deserve whatever it is they got. For every Sakharov, there are thousands upon thousands of Bezmenovs.

 No.1107401

>>1107374
>It's not necessarily my view
it obviously is. stop dissembling and insulting intelligence

 No.1107404

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>>1107394
What is the point of this article? To be bewildered at why sanctions aren't working?

>NOOOO, STOP HAVING A FUNCTIONING MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!

 No.1107405

>>1107353
erry tiem

>>1107392
If you're finding salt, please do share.

 No.1107407


 No.1107409

>>1107404
Remember the hypernormalization process. The point of the article is to mask the truth, not to reveal it. They're just tweaking the official narrative a bit to accomodate the increasingly obvious ineffectiveness of the sanctions.

 No.1107411

>>1107405
> If you're finding salt, please do share
Nah, just looking at this and the previous thread.

 No.1107413

>>1107394
>Russia is Weaponizing Weapon Production to Defy the West

 No.1107417

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Latest French defence ministry map (day 163):
>North: RUS pressure/strikes on Kharkov
>East: RUS still slowly advancing to 'kessel' UKR troops with esp intense RUS artillery
>South: UKR counter-attacks ivo Kherson & RUS reinforcing positions
<Both seem to be on 'make & mend'

 No.1107459

>>1107413
Pootie-poot's rooty-tooty-point-n-shooty

 No.1107468

>>1107394
Just like 1942, eat that NATO.

 No.1107483

File: 1659753256506.jpg (111.65 KB, 680x986, ohjpg57d2uf91.jpg)

proof that Pepe is Z gang

 No.1107485

File: 1659753384501.jpg (36.87 KB, 640x450, borderline retarded.jpg)

>>1107483
The lads are having a blast out here, wish I could join them

 No.1107494

>up to 50 russian fuel and ammo deposit HIMARS'ed
>russians on Donetsky having more and more difficulty advancing
>ukranian reserves on Kherson and Zaporizhye preparing for major offensive
>ukranian tank lines traveling by day in open skies with no problem
This is it for Russia

 No.1107495

>>1107485
>The lads are having a blast out here, wish I could join them
war isn't fun

 No.1107496

>>1107483
i hate this gay war

 No.1107497

>>1107166
>I am from russia
And what have you done? Imagine thinking the opinions of people (mostly) on other continents matter compared to the actions of those in Russia. You've sided with Russian big capital and ultra-nationalists by doing nothing against them. You are a liberal who thinks correct thoughts matter more than correct action.

 No.1107500

>U.S. readies new $1 billion Ukraine weapons package
>The package is expected to be announced as early as Monday and would add to about $8.8 billion in aid the United States has given Ukraine since Russia's invasion on Feb. 24.

 No.1107512

>>1107500
>would add to about $8.8 billion in aid
I'm fairly sure it has sent way over that, so I'm guessing 8.8b is the worth of the war material sent. Fucking media never specifies whether the amounts are funds or war material or other goods.

 No.1107513

>>1107512
>>1107500

is the us trying to war export it way out of a recession :/

 No.1107515

>1107513
NOOOOO 8.8 BILION IS NOTHING TO US WE ARE SAVING SLAVA UKRAINI

 No.1107518

>>1107515
gib me the u goddamnit

 No.1107521

>>1107513
>>1107515
THERE U GO DUDE STAY WITH UKRAINI

 No.1107525


 No.1107530

>>1107513
That's not how economics works.

 No.1107532

>>1107374
It's not revisionism.

what Marxism tells us is that after the collapse of socialism, capitalism effectively resumed a path it was on before it erupted into inter-imperialist antagonism. That is, the advanced countries expanding the world market and its integration. Globalization. Thus, the division of global capitalism is not of imperialists but progressive and reactionary bourgeoisie. Many Western leftists came to think the West was the former, especially after 2016.

Capitalism had finally overcome not just inter-imperialist antagonism, but the revolutionary alternative which exploited it. Imperialist unipolarity is what contributed to Soviet collapse because imperialists stopped fighting each other. That's why gorby's idealism could take root.

In the 2000s, nobody was arguing Russia and China were imperialist. We only hear that now for one specific reason. These are aspiring great powers which divide global capitalism because it's moved on from great powers and on to Western led globalization

In reality, and this is really what I think Western leftists struggle to accept, is that it's actually the emergent periphery that represents the future of globalization. It's the imperialists who are dividing it.

This is why inter imperialist 1914 copy and paste is so bad. We live in an era of globalization where capitalism rapidly expanded and imperialism only somewhat did, and the two are diverging for now until a Western collapse. In the mean time, independent states in the periphery are getting the space to develop in their own way.

As a result, multipolaristas are offering a synthesis. This is neither inter-imperialist antagonism nor its successor in the progressive bourgeoisie of the imperial core leading the world to globalization. It's the emergent periphery that represents the progressive bourgeoisie, and it will continue to force capitalism to expand under globalization regardless of whether imperialism keeps up with it. The imperialists are the reactionary bourgeoisie who want to divide globalization and thus the proletariat.

 No.1107534

>>1107234
>Why are you against your own bourgeoisie instead of my bourgeoisie!?
<You have to fight my rulers for me before you can fight your own rulers
<<No I don’t have to do shit 🤡🤡🤡

 No.1107535

>>1107530
i mean the us used land lease to help revive its economy post 1938
and seeing how biden is barely doing anything else at this point to prevent the recession, something in me thinks this is the bidens administration attempt to replicate the past and just war export it way out of a economic downturn
and the biden administration is pretty retarded so they might believe this would be succesful

 No.1107543

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>>1107535
It was also selling a fuckload of military equipment, while raising taxes massively and spending another fuckload, while its competitors were being absolutely hollowed the fuck out by the war.

US has been giving military "aid" and overstimulating its bloated MIC for decades. How about presenting a convincing argument for other countries to actually pay for US's shit, instead of just giving it away?

 No.1107545

>>1107500
>>U.S. readies new $1 billion Ukraine weapons package
bernie sanders and every other "left wing" democrat will vote for this

 No.1107546

>>1107543

>It was also selling a fuckload of military equipment, while raising taxes massively and spending another fuckload, while its competitors were being absolutely hollowed the fuck out by the war.


which is why i called it retarded. Tho this
might be one of the reasons why the us is pushing so hard for a war with china,, while at the same time seeking alliances with its asian "alies" puppets. And im pretty sure the us congress will start acting suspiciously united once war happens and start passing a lot of bidens industrial policy bills

 No.1107547

>>1107494
>ukranian tank lines traveling by day in open skies with no problem
LMAO where
>50 russian fuel and ammo deposit HIMARS'ed
Claimed Ukraine, despite this being fucking impossible given the limited number of units they have and missiles they have to fire against an active area. Even if all 12 had been firing at the same time, that's only 72 missiles in the air. The Uragan missiles are similar and have the same reach and get shot down no problem. Russia has taken out numerous missiles from HIMAR'S barrages and their explosive power is comparatively small compared to the Uragan. They couldn't have hit 50 targets through air defence, and not have at least 6 missiles launched at each one, impossible given the small number of units (even ignoring the destroyed/captured ones) and the lack of ammunition for sustained HIMARS barrages, needed to actually achieve this result. Cretin.
>ukranian reserves on Kherson and Zaporizhye preparing for major offensive
For a month already and never seem to be able to get it up
>russians on Donetsky having more and more difficulty advancing
LOL no.

 No.1107556

File: 1659757119039.png (1.99 MB, 1000x1516, 4i49rkeaoqd31.png)

>>1107497
>You've sided with Russian big capital and ultra-nationalists
<imagine copy-pasting your [insert ideological enemy puppet] just to seethe.
No anon, we have not. Not only is Russia devoid of "ultra-nationalists" as you claim, but your claims of supporting Russian Big Capital is utterly unfounded on any level of this conversation in leftypol or even for that matter, /pol/ itself. You're a fucking liar, levying strawman accusations to try and stir up a dogmatic virtue signal. It is not working, your anti-Russian bait trying to gaslight people into the belief that supporting Russia is the same as supporting the capitalist system and is tantamount to the retards crying about Iran being supported on this board.

ZEETHE liberal.

 No.1107557

>>1107556
You've either replied to the wrong post or can't read.

 No.1107558

>>1107535
If they wanted to avoid a recession at all, they wouldn't be doing so little in the first place. Frankly, I'm increasingly convinced that the current inflationary crisis is just plain engineered by Porky.

 No.1107561

>>1107497
That comes later

 No.1107574

>>1107547
>For a month already and never seem to be able to get it up
Next week they will crush russian lines

 No.1107592

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Libs having a mask off moment

 No.1107593

>>1107592
Tbh libs have been pretty close to that line for a while now

 No.1107597

>>1107592
>Hitler bad because he killed Jews
>Putin kills no Jews
>Putin is as bad as Hitler
What did the pedoglobe mean by this?

 No.1107619

File: 1659763048178.png (196.54 KB, 753x838, REAL SHIT.png)

>>1107592
Noticed?

Fuck outta here with Twitter screenshots of randos that don't even have any engagement stats.

 No.1107625

>>1107597
Putler kills people whose president is Jewish therefore this is literally the Shoah shitlord.

 No.1107644


 No.1107647

>>1107574
lmao here it comes again, every time.

 No.1107648

>>1107644
Well my post wasn't directed at Russia supporters so I don't know how you got so confused.

 No.1107649

>>1107619
>pic
This is peak bourgshit holy fuck. Here I am thinking about the further increase of prices for gas and oil products, electricity bills going up and increased fuel costs that are going to be the heaviest problems, but apparently its not being able to eat your petty food for a bit, FFS.

 No.1107652

>>1107648
Then what the fuck do you mean by
>You've sided with Russian big capital and ultra-nationalists
Russia supporters include Russians, genius, so attempting to pull a "st00pid lumpen siding with the porkies and righties, ur bad" is obviously an attack on that by principle. Not to mention its bad faith. You cannot reasonably expect people to just "rise up" out of nowhere, the Russian revolution and others like it, arose from a buildup of critical mass in social conditions and strife. The Russian people DO oppose oligarchs and big capital, but internal issues cannot be hyperfocused on, or you lose to outer influences, that's the reason the USSR had been so isolationist even back then, and today its even more important given the interconnection of the globe.

 No.1107654

>>1107649
Consumerist brainrot like this has been so wildly successful. I'm currently reading a biography of a guy from the DDR and the youth were obsessed with Western brands to the point that a Western branded plastic shopping bag was a status symbol.

 No.1107655

>>1107625
It's maddening seeing those fags describe a video of a mutiracial crowd of Russian normies prouly wearing Z shirts in a mall as "clearly reminiscent of fascist propaganda" then say all those fucking SS insignias and Nazi paraphernalia as just a recontextualized demonstration of healthy love of one's country.

 No.1107657

>>1107652
>Then what the fuck do you mean by
Follow back up the comment chain to see what I was replying to genius. It was a "Russian" lib proclaiming posters here are bad for not having the correct opinions when the opinions of Internet posters on another fucking continent to the conflict don't fucking matter.

Anti-Putin Russian libs could fight against the war by going and conducting sabotage but they'd rather sit around whining about non-Russians not having the correct opinions.

 No.1107659

>>1107264
please sir, I do not want to hear your wildest fantasy

 No.1107662

>>1107659
how to tell someone didn't see those pics of Pelosi's big greatgrandmommy milkers in cleavage this week

 No.1107665

>>1107662
I've seen it and let me tell you one thing: size is not everything.

 No.1107681

>>1107665
you on the dfc > titcows side of the dfc vs titcow debate?

 No.1107682

>>1107662
You must be talking about the beach photos right? that was a month ago. I need to know, its for science

 No.1107697

Imagine being NATO and wanting to start WW3 but fight it entirely via proxy states, some of which aren't even recognised by the UN.

 No.1107719

>adam kinzinger is an NAFO fag

 No.1107721

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>>1107697
And you still weaken yourself more than your enemy because you wasted all the gear, and won't get it back for years.

 No.1107722

>>1107697
I assume if a China-Taiwan war kicked off the US would be there in a jiffy. Wouldn't china just steam roll it otherwise?

 No.1107723

Head of amnesty UE resings from the pro russian org

 No.1107726

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>>1107556
are the green rays supposed to be "glow"? horrible. fixed it for you. add the text yourself

 No.1107729

>>1107723
The fascist rot in Ukraine is unbelievable. I was sympathetic towards Ukraine at the start of the year but the more these people talk the less sympathy I have. The complete inability to accept any criticism is just astounding.

 No.1107743

>>1107729
Impressive, since you missed the video of Kharkov civilians explaining counter-battery fire to a Ukrainian soldier, and maybe that they shouldn't use a kindergarten as a place to deploy their artillery.

Z Gang must've been a confusing experience for you.

 No.1107749

>>1107743
Everyone in the institutions seems totally psychotic and all normal people have been purged

 No.1107750

>>1107743
Using civilians as shields isn't a specifically fascist thing. It's the ultra-nationalism where even "liberal" NGOites can't accept any criticism of the government or military that I didn't expect. Even the American hysteria after 9/11 wasn't this bad.

 No.1107757

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>>1107723
>pic
aww i'm sorry did somebody get addicted to the smell of her own farts

 No.1107758

I want to see some based and red pilled combat footage from DPRK special forces popping avozite scumbags

 No.1107767

Vijay Prashad is z-gang.


>>1107726
Nice. Repost in OC thread plz.

 No.1107782

>>1107723
fuck you. they're not "defenders" and you're not "victims". you're victimizers, mass murderers, and bullies and now you're finally getting your shit pushed in because of it. you thought you could brutalize the russian minority with impunity because you had the big bully in the world standing behind you. didn't work out that way and now you squeal like the pig when tables turn.
the "azovstal defenders" were not defending the population of mariupol. they were never defending them. they hated the population of mariupol (they aren't "real ukrainians!"). they were there to control the population and terrorize them into submission so they would never rise up and reject your fascist bullshit like donetsk, luhansk and crimea did. nothing else. and when it came time to "defend" against the russians, the "defenders" used that population as human shields, took some of them captive in azovstal literally as human shields. set up military positions in civilian buildings and in and around homes, schools and anything else, shot at civilians, bombed civilians, and didn't give one fuck whether every resident was killed by the end (they would have actually preferred it that way). we all saw it. we all see you. now reap what you sowed bitch.

 No.1107783

>>1107750
>Even the American hysteria after 9/11 wasn't this bad
I wonder if in 20 years people will remember this shitshow in a similar light as that.

 No.1107784

>>1107783
Obviously, then people will talk about how Biden lied, just like how people talk about how Bush and Cheney lied now. Then it'll be obvious, then they'll call the people that fell for this shit idiots.

 No.1107785

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 No.1107786

>>1107785
Is this real?

 No.1107788

>>1107783
I think in five years all the libs will be saying they knew Ukraine was full of fascists who murdered their own people.

 No.1107792

>>1107786
Very much doubt it lol

 No.1107793

File: 1659778981611.mp4 (8.48 MB, 640x360, nato_anthem.mp4)

>>1107788
lol they won't. if they do i'll spit in their eye and ask them why they didn't say anything when it mattered.

 No.1107795

>>1107793
I've already seen it in regards to the invasion of Afghanistan. Very few people I knew (including myself) were against that like we were against Iraq 2003. Now days nearly everyone claims they always knew invading Afghanistan was wrong.

 No.1107801

>>1107767
vijay is based

 No.1107803


>>1107655
Does anyone here think that possibly all those Nazi symbols that the NATOids permit to slip through might be intentional? It's true after all that the venerable institutions of the liberal world order have many former Nazis in their ranks. The West didn't so much denazify as it just rebranded them into woker liberal forms.

>>1107593
Certainly liberals and socdems have gotten more outright chauvinistic and racist than they always implicitly were, at least since, if not earlier, the Russians finally stood up to the liberal hegemony in action.

>>1107556
There are ultranationalists in Russia obviously, but they are more like Westernized liberals in persuasion, while ironically true conservatives, in the Russian context, can accept that Russia has a multiethnic civilization tradition unlike much of Western Europe.

>>1107500
>>1107543
>>1107545
If the bourgeoisie's deceptive electoral game of elephant and donkey rule were not the case it might be better to vote Repub. to punish those social democratic fascists.

>>1107398
This speaks to the capability of the imperial American media to delude people, so that literally a Gusanera von Auschwitz, who killed people in Unit 713 and owned a banana latifundia, could be sold as a freedumb fighter if she opposed the communist authoritarian regime that stopped Western multinational corporations' attempts to neoliberalize the economy.

 No.1107804

>>1107788
>>1107795
This is what these slimy cunts always do. The first phrase I heard about it was something like "Finding someone who supported the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan nowadays is like finding a card carrying Nazi in Berlin 1946"

 No.1107809

>>1107804
I did, shamefully, support the invasion of Afghanistan. But I was not even eighteen and had been brainwashed by "end of history" liberal-interventionism propaganda in the '90s.

One of the main reasons I didn't support the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was because I thought it would take resources away from reconstructing Afghanistan.

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 No.1107856

File: 1659785534599.jpg (65.62 KB, 610x709, KornilovShockTroops.jpg)

>>1107134
>>1107188
>>1107254
It's based on the Imperial/White Kornilov 'Shocktrooper' divisions uniform.
Just whoever choose the uniforms being another fucking UR/Putin tsarboo larper

 No.1107859

>>1107856
nobility shit
dont mind that we cant win a battle, at least our uniforms reightfully represent out status by birthright

 No.1107883

>>1107114
You left out the time the DPRK had some sort of agreement with the government of Uganda during the bush-war to send over military staffers to train and advise their army, And seeing the North-Koreans in actions made the Ugandan military / militias / rebels begin some sort of weird cargo cult shit where they believed chanting Korean Peoples Army chants and painting North Korean flags on things would give them good luck in battle and shit.

The guy that made that meme movie 'Who killed captain alex' had an interview done with him, And he was actually in a government militia/Army during that conflict - And he talks about the North-Korean shit and how some specialty counter insurgency unit that Kim-Il-Sung sent over was feared to the point of superstition by the rebels, and how they would just weave through the jungles hunting rebels like it was cawl of dooty or some shit.

He also claimed that a scene in that movie where a CGI helicopter fires rockets backwards and destroys a building wasn't an editing error, but that was how a real helicopter he saw the North-Koreans donate to Uganda actually fired its payload (Backwards towards whatever was behind it), Some war nerd here probably knows what that exact make and model is.

 No.1107888

>>1107233
except one is based on well known documented facts while the other is delirious slander by the most unhinged source possible

 No.1107894

>>1107364
>I don't think Marx is too vulgar
holy shit shut up retard youre the "vulgar marxist", which mean oversimplification and thought terminating blanket statement like "capitalist just decide everything bro, theres no additional system, institutions and various pressures and contradictions affecting the material reality"

>the Russian capitalist class as a whole who put and kept the current executive branch of the Russian state in place

precisely not, why the fuck you think putin is so popular, precisely because he reined in the porkies to limit the looting and capital flight

>that some people biased toward Russia here

just cause some people are able to have a nuanced analysis that disagree wth your brainlet tier statements doesnt mean theyre "biased toward russia"

 No.1107900

>>1107894
turns out straight up russian nationalism = nuanced analysis lol

 No.1107907

>>1107443
Man the south is taken. Will they reach Odessa. Do the russians want that?

 No.1107910

>>1107907
>Russia wants Odessa?
Yes it's a Russian language area with a historically Russian port

 No.1107912

>>1107900
Bruh he called a conference summoning them all to the Stalin Dacha and told them they could keep their stolen shit as long as they stayed out of politics

He KGB bruh

 No.1107915

>>1107894
So you think Marx is wrong.

 No.1107916

>>1107813
Another day another banger
He also voted against the aid for v*terans (imperialist thugs) that got passed the other day.

 No.1107923

The primary contradiction facing modern Russian society is that of imperialism, The internal contradictions within Russian society, Most glaringly the conflict between proletarian and capitalist - Is overridden by the external-contradiction of the threat of NATO imperialism.

So National-Democratic/Anti-Imperialist revolution is the primary revolutionary aim the communist party must move itself towards, As seen in both modern [Syrian] and archaic examples [China/Vietnam] this entails a degree of collaboration with the still existent capitalist class as it exists on a national level.

This is given form by the KPRF's collaboration with the UR and LDPR towards common goals.

 No.1107929

>>1107923
It should also be noted that that the NATO geopolitical war-plan for Russia is similar in form and function for the Imperial Japanese kinetic war-plan for China - With the ultimate goal being the rupturing of the nation along ethnic lines [Manchu, Mongol, Hui, Uighur etc particularlists and the Tibetan Lama's were all approached by Japanese intelligence with promises of independence under Japanese protection if the ROC lost the war.] and ultimately the dissolving of the Russian nation in its entirety.

 No.1107931

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>>1107912
HOLY SHIT I LOVE tradition of dead generations weighing like a nightmare on the brains of the living

 No.1107932

>>1107931
take your meds

 No.1107934

>>1107923
Revisionist nonsense.

 No.1107938

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The hatred that average Russians demonstrate towards Ukrainians is their "illegal" hatred of their own government "legally" projected onto a neighbouring country. Therefore, Russians solidarize with their government on the grounds of hating it passionately, while accepting this absurd conflict, offered by Moscow, as a way of fulfilling their chthonic power fantasy, with Kremlin and oligarch villas in mind and Ukrainian dachas at hand, much like a young gentleman who closes his eyes to imagine his loved one, while actually fornicating a harlot.

I propose the term "weaponized butthurt" to describe this quaint phenomena.

Useful idiots abroad are another thing, although the general motif of projected hatred is quite similar.

 No.1107941

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>>1107932
after you king

 No.1107942

>>1107931
These wojaks just keep getting more compressed and ugly.

 No.1107943

>>1107934
>Syrian Communist Party, Communist Party of China, Communist Party of Vietnam - Just DON'T defend your country from an obviously lopsided imperialist intervention / invasion.
>So that way Wang Jingwei, Diem, The Free-Syrian Islamists - Who are even more hostile to you then the independentist government take over the government and just kill you anyway and then your countries even more fucked and your dead LMAO
absolute state.

 No.1107944

>>1107941
>soyjack spammer tells someone else to kill himself
wew

 No.1107947

>>1107943
Nice try Kautsky but tying loosely different cases together doesn't make revisionism right.

 No.1107949

>>1107947
Should the CPC have worked together with the KMT/Formally recognised ROC government to defeat Japan, Yes or No?
Should the CPV and Ho-Chi-Minh have collaborated with all other willing Vietnamese factions to help first resist and expel Japan and then the french?

 No.1107950

>>1107938
Westoids do the same in their two minutes hate against the Russians. Externalizing their resentment and hatred at the oligarchs in their own country and applying it to the Russian ones.
>The political purpose of the Two Minutes Hate is to allow the citizens of Oceania to vent their existential anguish and personal hatreds towards politically expedient enemies: Goldstein and the enemy superstate of the moment. In re-directing the members' subconscious feelings away from the Party's government of Oceania, and towards non-existent external enemies, the Party minimises thoughtcrime and the consequent, subversive behaviours of thoughtcriminals.

 No.1107951

>>1107938
It's not illegal to hate Russia in Russia. Complete miss here

 No.1107952

>>1107950
1984 is an anglo projection of anglo realities onto Russia and China. Hell, anglos even have an Oceania in that book that has Latin America in it - while in reality Latin America is very unloyal

 No.1107956

>>1107949
Did the CPC and the CPV believed first and foremost that the struggle between civilizations replaced class struggle?
Were the CPC and the CPV completely institutionalized into their respective bourgeois government at the time of their collaboration with capitalists?

 No.1107961

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>>1107723
Good, one fewer fashoid scumbag infiltrating civic society.

 No.1107964

>>1107814
That's some prime glow right there, but I think you meant to posst it in the Burger thread.

>>1107856
Does an art academy of all placess have a uniform, and a military,style one at that?

 No.1107965

>>1107956
The CPC never believed in 'Clash of civilisations' theory [And i've seen no evidence the KPRF does either from what i know], The belief held by the CPC during WW2 was that preventing the entire nation from being invaded and militarily dissolved obviously overrided class-struggle in that period as the external-contradiction of foreign financial capitalists and China as a subject was greater then the conflict between the Chinese peasantry and workers against China's own domestic industrial capitalist and artisan/petite capitalists.

Mao didn't even want to begin bothering completing the 'National/New-Democratic' revolution [Fulfill the promises of the liberal/modernist xinhai revolution] much less 'socialist construction' straight away after fulling pushing the KMT off the mainland, He used the language of 'Lets finish them off, we've nothing left to lose anyway' - Because China and the USSR's economies were entirely built for war by that stage and the Soviet red army particularly + China was theoretically the largest fighting force on earth at the time, Mao wanted the USSR and China themselves to voluntarily begin WW2.5 on their own terms and push the western allies all the way off the fucking eurasian landmass and push them into the fucking sea in Busan and Lisbon - And then only when some sort of Soviet Atlantic wall and a Chinese Pacific wall were constructed, Begin earnest civilian conversion of the economy and 'socialist construction'

That's how high a priority the Anti-Imperialist revolution was deemed to hold.

 No.1107969

>>1107950
>Westoids do the same
Minus attacking a neighbouring country on baseless grounds.

 No.1107970

>>1107938
Except it's not illegal to hate Russia in Russia and people who hate the Russian government often openly support Ukraine. This is just more of the nonsense that Westoid propaganda does when it psychoanalyzes everything that common people in Russia, China and other "bad countries" do as coming through several layers of newspeak and insincerity. Because obviously there is no way anyone rational would see anything any of those governments do as good.

>>1107134
>>1107964
It's just a random cosplay of White Guards, not actually an academy uniform

 No.1107971

>>1107965
>Mao wanted the USSR and China themselves to voluntarily begin WW2.5 on their own terms and push the western allies all the way off the fucking eurasian landmass and push them into the fucking sea in Busan and Lisbon
Based, but what is the source for this?

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 No.1107979

>>1107969
>It's okay to murder browns thousands of kilometres away from your country for no good reason but not to attack your white neighbours!
I hope Putin nukes Europe and America.

 No.1107985

>>1107970
> Except it's not illegal to hate Russia in Russia
An opinion of a foreign useful idiot well-worth being dismissed by someone who actually happens to live there (me).

>>1107979
I did not expect to see blantant whataboutism so soon.

 No.1107989

>>1107971
Mao getting increasingly annoyed at Stalin for pulling out of Iran, Not intervening in Greece to save the KKE, Essentially sending an absolute joke of a token fighting force to Korea (20'000 men at peak compared to almost 1.5 million PLA troops) etc

One of Mao's things iirc was that he thought Stalin and the USSR leadership were afraid of nukes and his thought process was essentially 'If you had just been ballsy enough to open fire on the three-western-powers in 1946 and march all the way to the gates of Gibraltar, you wouldn't have even had to have worried about a bomber reaching Moscow - And even if a bomb gets through, its all ruins anyway [In the immediate aftermath of ww2] what more does one bomb matter?'

 No.1107991

Is Reddit a real representation of what Westoid zoomers think?

 No.1107992

>>1107985
>I did not expect to see blantant whataboutism so soon.
Yet again proving that people cry "whataboutism" when their hypocritical claims are pointed out.

 No.1107993

>>1107991
no, but they are hot garbage anyway

 No.1107995

>>1107989
Any good books to read about it?

 No.1107996

>>1107985
>An opinion of a foreign useful idiot well-worth being dismissed by someone who actually happens to live there (me).
Единственный русский в интернете, спешите видеть лол

 No.1107997

>>1107934
>Revisionist nonsense.
It's well grounded in Marxist history in the periphery. You don't understand that the theory of imperialism is fundamentally a conception of a reactionary form of capitalism holding back places that haven't seen a bourgeois-democratic revolution.

 No.1108000

>>1107991
No of course not. At best you could say it represents what comfortably "middle class" zoomers and their parents think but even then, only a relatively hip and tech savvy portion of them and its astroturfed to shit to boot so who knows whats even real on there

 No.1108001

>>1107992
Yet again proving that putinists cry "hypocrisy" when they are accused of their crimes.
>>1107996
That makes you something worse than a gullible useful idiot from Michigan oblast – a liar.

 No.1108002

>>1107997
>places that haven't seen a bourgeois-democratic revolution
Russia had one, some may argue two, of those.

 No.1108012

>>1108001
>Yet again proving that putinists cry "hypocrisy" when they are accused of their crimes.
I don't support Putin or Russia. >>1107969 implied the West was better because they "don't attack their neighbours". No the West just picks on far weaker opponents than Ukraine and with far flimsier pretence of provocation. But in the Westoid mind this has been normalised as the natural prerogative of the morally superior West. What is wrong to the Westoid is attacking (white) neighbours.

 No.1108018

>>1108002
>Russia had one, some may argue two, of those.

October was launched on the premise the bourgeoisie was too weak in Russia and couldn't challenge the power of the aristocracy or the imperialists. Thus it was on the proles to carry out its democratic revolution.

Post-Soviet Russia is the first real experiment in bourgeois development for Russia. This is because while the CPSU tried to construct the preconditions for socialism, it created a bubble economy. Now you are seeing Russia for the first time as a facet of the world capitalist economy. There it comfortably fits the role of semi-periphery in the age of imperialist unipolarity, and its politics have accordingly been divided between comprador and national bourgeoisie.

I think a lot of this sense of betrayal we see from our critics is that we see accordingly liberals in the periphery and Western imperialism as more reactionary than Putin. This is because many wanted to believe that reaction in our era is defined as nationalist disconnection from (Western-led) globalization, and so the goals of socialism and liberalism had realigned again (this is why I wrote about capitalism resuming an old path earlier in the thread). We instead see an international struggle to secure sovereignty from the former so a domestic division of progress and reaction plays out.

 No.1108047


 No.1108056

>>1108047
Note this statement opposes the war but clarifies that the crisis is due to the West - because imperialism is unipolar.

 No.1108068

>>1108056
>The developments in Ukraine, which are taking place in the framework of monopoly capitalism, are linked to the US, NATO, and EU plans and their intervention in the region in the context of their fierce competition with capitalist Russia for the control of the markets, raw materials, and transport networks of the country. These pursuits are concealed by imperialist powers, which are in conflict promoting their own pretexts such as “defending democracy”, “self-defence”, and one’s right to “choose their alliances”, the compliance with the UN or OSCE principles, or supposedly “fascism”, while deliberately detaching fascism from the capitalist system that gives rise to and utilizes it.

Maybe you should go to the doctor and get checked for cope.

 No.1108070

>>1108047
>the “independence” of the so-called “Peoples’ Republics” in Donbas
<this was signed by the communist parties of so-called "Palestine", so-called "Kurdistan" and so-called "Turkish Cypriots"
curious

 No.1108085

>>1108070
yeah, pretty ironic. Also piss poor analysis, as if it was a question of wanting ukrainian industry. Do they think israel oppress palestinians and take their land primary for their industry and raw resources ? thats it's the same for turks fucking with kurds ? fucking idiots

 No.1108099

>>1108070
Ah yes the famous Donbas nation represented by honest people who did a truly open referendum.

 No.1108100

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Latest Russian losses from the Ukrainian Ministry of Truth.
>Russia has only 21.600 able soldiers left in Ukraine

 No.1108103

>>1108001
Post power outlet.

 No.1108109

>>1108068
Read the document again. What imperialist alliance is it repeatedly mentioning and emphasizing must be struggled against? European ones. In contrast, it reduces the Russian opposition to this to 'capitalist Russia', which is thrown in as second.

>The developments in Ukraine, which are taking place in the framework of monopoly capitalism, are linked to the US, NATO, and EU plans and their intervention in the region in the context of their fierce competition with capitalist Russia for the control of the markets, raw materials, and transport networks of the country.


>We highlight that the illusions fostered by bourgeois forces claiming that there could be a “better security architecture” in Europe by EU intervention, NATO “without military plans and aggressive weapon systems in its territory”, a “pro-peace EU”, or a “peaceful multipolar world”, etc are highly dangerous. All these assumptions have nothing to do with reality and are misleading for the anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist struggle, seeking to cultivate the perception that “peaceful imperialism” may exist. However, the truth is that NATO and the EU, like any capitalist transnational union, are predatory alliances with a deeply reactionary nature that cannot become pro-people and will continue to act against workers’ and people’s rights and the peoples; that capitalism goes hand in hand with imperialist wars.


>We call on the peoples of the countries whose governments are involved in the developments, especially through NATO and the EU but also Russia, to struggle against the propaganda of the bourgeois forces that lure the people to the meat grinder of imperialist war using various spurious pretexts. To demand the closure of military bases, the return home of troops from missions abroad, to strengthen the struggle for the disengagement of the countries from imperialist plans and alliances such as NATO and the EU.


The significance of this is because it opens with saying the reactionary regression was first caused by Soviet collapse. Thus, it's saying it was second caused by European expansion and now third by Russian backlash, which has culminated in a war between capitalist powers that hurts workers.

The importance of this ordering is how it indicts imperialist unipolarity and the way it made the 1989 counter-revolution a 'permanent revolution'. This is because a multipolar world wouldn't have had this happen, Ukraine wouldn't have had a unilaterally-driven coup and peace process directed by Europe which Russia had to compensate for to protect Donbass/Crimea. While the document believes a multipolar world wouldn't solve the problem, and nobody here has argued it would end imperialism, it does mean it was largely imperialist unipolarity that drove us to this point where we need a revolutionary alternative.

>>1108099

Donbass autonomy was an overwhelmingly popular demand as proven by Ukraine's own polling institutions like KIIS

 No.1108114

>>1108100
The real telling bit is the only ~1000 for POWs. A completely unbelievable number unless "something" has been happening to most prisoners before they are officially recorded.

 No.1108115

>>1108109
>imperialist unipolarity
Is not a real thing

 No.1108116

>>1108115
>Is not a real thing
Now who needs to go get checked for cope? See my post here

>>1107532
>what Marxism tells us is that after the collapse of socialism, capitalism effectively resumed a path it was on before it erupted into inter-imperialist antagonism. That is, the advanced countries expanding the world market and its integration. Globalization. Thus, the division of global capitalism is not of imperialists but progressive and reactionary bourgeoisie. Many Western leftists came to think the West was the former, especially after 2016.
>Capitalism had finally overcome not just inter-imperialist antagonism, but the revolutionary alternative which exploited it. Imperialist unipolarity is what contributed to Soviet collapse because imperialists stopped fighting each other. That's why gorby's idealism could take root.

 No.1108117

>>1108114
It's the only realistic number of them all because it's the only one that can have concrete proof

 No.1108119

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>>1108114
They openly say they take no prisoners.

 No.1108120

>>1108117
Well yes. They are either exaggerating K/W or murdering POWs.

 No.1108122

>>1108119
and just saying that openly constitutes a war crime.

 No.1108123

>>1108122
the Amnesty debacle has shown that Ukraine cannot commit war crimes in the eyes of the West.

 No.1108126

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lol

 No.1108128

>>1108126
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-03/pelosi-s-taiwan-trip-left-white-house-scrambling-for-a-plan

>Before Nancy Pelosi landed in Taipei for a controversial meeting with President Tsai Ing-wen, the White House was careful not to weigh in on the trip, stressing that the speaker of the House makes her own decisions.


>But behind the scenes, officials in President Joe Biden’s administration were fuming at her insistence on using the trip as a capstone for her career at a moment of highly delicate relations with Beijing.


>In an effort to quietly persuade Pelosi to delay the visit, the White House dispatched senior members of the National Security Council, as well as State Department officials, to brief the speaker and her team on the geopolitical risks, people familiar with the conversations said.


The more the imperialists divide themselves over confronting emergent nations, the better.

 No.1108153

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Will Z gang become Xi gang?

 No.1108159

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>>1108153
Always have been.

 No.1108162


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 No.1108173

>>1108164
I can't decide whether my money is on Ukraine getting dropped completely or if Zelensky gets couped with Western support.

 No.1108177

>>1108164
God this is going to be delicious in a month.

 No.1108182

>>1108164
So euros have decided to uncuck themselves?

 No.1108184

>>1108159
This. Always have been.

 No.1108191

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Hello #Ukrainebros

So it seems that the dumb orcs really have fallen for our #GhostCounteroffensive in Kherson, just like they fell for the #GhostofKiev that scared them from sieging Kiev on the beggining of the war. What do you think will be the next chess move from Zelensky now that they have Ruzzia in his hands? I think he will use the new hundreds of #Himars to destroy the Crimea bridge to force Putler out of his throne

 No.1108201

>>1108177
What's happening in a month

 No.1108225

>>1108164
The fact these two orgs are hammering Z linsky, means something important: They want trash out him. Yet, I need to know the real reason behind.
I correctly predicted the u.s. would drop Afghanistan no matter what after the afghan papers from WaPo were published, I knew the reason after: Talibans were too strong for them to keep the operation going.
Perhaps they want a madman like poroshenko?

 No.1108233

>>1108173
I don't see a coup happening. I've read some stories about Zaluzhny being a potential replacement, but what would that achieve exactly? Maybe he'll be more open to negotiations I guess.

 No.1108234

>>1108191
His ghosts will be useless now that the DPRK is sending its army. No ukraine magic can stand the juche necromancy.

 No.1108235

>>1108225
>Perhaps they want a madman like poroshenko?
Zelensky is madman who has been until now willing to throw his own people into the meatgrinder so west can get some propaganda wins. While Zelensky is obviously crooked to his very bones, getting rid of him will be hard. Western media has elevated him into being some sort of godking and it will be a while before they can wind that back and replace him. Not that replacing him will fix the fundamental problem that Ukraine is facing a superior foe.

 No.1108236

>>1108234
Honestly hope so much that North Koreans turn up in force, imagine the eternal seething

 No.1108237

>>1108235
According to zrada ukr telegrams, he's been fortifying his position too, trying to become forever emperor.

 No.1108240

Dear theorycucks

You say Putin isn't a socialist, yet he named his puppet states as "People's Republic"

Curious…

 No.1108247

>>1108240
Also the Russian military industrial complex is mostly state owned which is basically lower stage communism

 No.1108272

>>1108235
I never insinuated they will drop ukraine support, I meant, there's something behind these scandals as it was with Afghanistan. Their base is highly susceptive to corruption (like if their own policiticians weren't corrupt, i.ex., did any of the generals, SoD, politicians that backed afghanistan invasion, excuse me, operation, were arrested? despite all the hard evidence that was a large scale corruption peration to plunder the u.s. economy? no, not one.)
So I am trying to give a little rationale what's the reason they are now starting to emerge these things, first amnesty international now germans. What I am sure is that they want to change something in ukraine as I was sure Afghanistan was about to end. Very interesting times ahead.

 No.1108289

>>1108164
I don't think this means a betrayal or that Ukraine's or Israel's governments have lost the mandate of NATO. I think these things are part a necessary adjustments in the narrative to integrate things that are more damaging covered up than up for spin doctoring, and part reminder of who butters whose bread.
Because it's not hard to imagine there would be plenty of overreach with the blank check NATO approval Ukraine's government has received.

I mean, NATO still needs Ukraine to be a worthy victim and that status is still riding on the assumption that Zelenskyy's government is totally different from Poroshenko and that the promises of the Euromaidan would have been fulfilled if it wasn't for their envious genocidal neighbour. If Zman goes down the whole thing comes into question.

 No.1108302

>>1108289 (me)
To be honest however, I still believe that Zelenskyy will get martyred by NATO glowies(blaming Russia) before his myth gets too tarnished by the post-war reality where he would be forced to be the face of neoliberal Shock Therapy and hold the ultimate responsibility for most of the damage in the war from from his position of privilege and luxury.

So perhaps he sees that coming too and he *is* angling for some way out of that fate.

 No.1108325

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I would bet this is really how the Western imperialists think.

They believe they can cloak all sorts of reactionary behavior by a hegemon in the liberal language of humanity's consciousness. Then when this reactionary shit attacks others on a historical basis (like China as a nation) because it's not a true liberal antagonism (which are dead at this point in capitalism), the backlash is construed as an attack on humanity and therefore the West is strengthened in its mandate. We just fail upwards.

 No.1108338

>>1108325
In private imperialist ruling classes are much smarter. Yeah, the stenographers, paid to repeat some talking points, perhaps DO believ what you say, but the ruling class knows other things you and I don't. They use what you said to control their base, that's it.

 No.1108350

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>>1108240
How do theorykeks explain this?

 No.1108355

CBS Published a video on how corruption makes only 30% of weapons given to ukrops reaches to the frontlines.

 No.1108358

>>1108355
just increase the help by 300% then.

 No.1108370

>>1108355
Did they specify where the remaining 70% go? To the black markets most probably, but where do they end up? To the Russian hands, European drug gangs?

 No.1108373

>>1108120
For reference: in WW2 the Soviets killed 5 million Nazi soldiers and took 3 million as POWs, so that ratio is looking very sus.

 No.1108383

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Europe's gonna have fun times with all those geared up rightoids that come over as immigrants from next door.

 No.1108384

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Glory to Anti-Fascism, comrades! Glory to the heroes of Russia!

Russian anti fascism is rolling like a steamroller across the fields of Ukraine (Russian lands that the mad dictator Blank-Lenin gave to Gayrope in a fit of Russophobia). Russian anti-fascism brings freedom, prosperity and democracy to Ukrainians (Russians, Orthodox people, morally crippled by non-Christian Bolsheviks).

Your cause is right!
Under the fascists, how did people live in Ukraine? They lived badly! All the money is in the hands of moneylenders, all the material goods are in the hands of speculators, all the means of production are in the hands of exploiters, everything is controlled by corrupt officials, for whose health the unspiritual Ukrainian priests offer prayers. And now everything has turned upside down in Ukraine - in the regions liberated from Bandera, of course. There now all the money is in the hands of Russian moneylenders, all the material goods are in the hands of Russian speculators, all the means of production are in the hands of Russian exploiters, run by Russian officials known for their honesty, for whose health prayers are offered by highly spiritual Russian priests. Oh, what a blessing!

And there and there is capitalism, of course… But! We know that the Russian moneylender Ivan is not such a greedy and ruthless robber as the Ukrainian moneylender Bogdan. That the prices in the Russian speculator's shop are always lower than in the Ukrainian speculator's shop. That the Khokhlyatsky exploiter always offends the hard workers, and the Russian exploiter endlessly indulges the hard workers. That a typical Ukrainian official is a fascist, a liar, a embezzler and a bribe taker, but a typical Russian official is quite the opposite. That a Ukrainian priest distributes spiritual stuff, and a Russian priest distributes nanotechnology.

In a word, Russian capitalism on all points will be much more progressive and humane than the Ukrainian one, because the proletarian Allah himself ordered all literate Marxists to support Putin's special operation to destroy Ukraine.

Well, as in the First World War, the literate Marxists of the Second International supported republican France against monarchical Germany, or supported the more liberal German monarchy against the more reactionary Russian monarchy. You can't dig into such a position (unless you are a squabbler, like Lenin) - the republic is clearly more progressive than the monarchy, and the liberal Black Hundreds are clearly more progressive than the reactionary Black Hundreds! Everything is strictly "according to Marx"!

Therefore, a century ago, literate Marxists of all countries supported their native rulers - and today they also support them. The continuity of generations, however!
Glory to Z, shame on the national traitors!

But it should be noted that some excessively ardent Zommunists were too carried away by pink social-democratic dreams. Zommunists naively believe that the Russian Federation should bring Ukraine something more progressive than the banal change of Ukrainian capitalism to Russian capitalism. That Putin and Kadyrov are a couple - they are almost restoring the USSR with their humanitarian bombing, they are almost going to build communism.

This misconception is strengthened because of the love of individual denazifies for any souvenir products. >>>(1)

Denazifiers attach their favorite souvenir products to uniforms, tanks, and de-banderized Ukrainian ("new Russians") houses, scaring the overly timid and impressionable with red flags. In fact, the Red Banner souvenirs do not carry anything bad and alarming. There's nothing to be afraid of, it's a matter of everyday life! One warrior will put on a red flag, another a Chip with a Dale, a third - a Valknut a fourth - a skull with the inscription "Orthodoxy, or death." You never know who is a fan of what "subculture"! >>>(2)

Uncontested Supreme Anti-Fascists are not stupid. Why find fault with the attributes? Why try to comb all the Bourgeois warriors under one comb? While all the warriors are doing one common thing that benefits one particular class - let them run around in loincloths, if it's more pleasant for them to fight like that. If desired, even Soviet symbols, even pickenhelms and epaulettes with aiguillettes will put on themselves! Whatever the child is amused with, as long as it regularly goes to the attack.

Although, of course, it would be better to cover up the seditious redness in the TV report. >>>(3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R_SD9zkVKQ

Liberalism is good, freedom of expression is cool, but we don't want respectable investors to get upset after watching Russian TV news, do we? It is impossible to forget about the investment climate even in a difficult special operating time.

Of course, we will allow a souvenir red "Victory Banner" to be hung next to the official Russian tricolor. But it's not scary, the rich can sleep in peace! The content is something - it will be more important than the form! So let the red flags hang everywhere, just so that no one remembers about their revolutionary meaning. Everything will be strictly according to the tricolor flag! We will not demolish the monument to Lenin, let it stand for itself (until the time comes). But do not imagine because of this that we are going to build social life according to Lenin's precepts! We will build - only and exclusively - capitalism, and such a harsh one, in the style of the late Russian Empire.

>The Russian World is returning to its historical borders. It has always been Russia. The Bolsheviks artificially Ukrainized Ukraine in the 1930s. Then they separated us artificially, tried to split us up, muddied the waters in this whole situation, and we are sorting it out today. (The head of Crimea Sergey Aksenov)

https://www.rbc.ru/interview/politics/20/07/2022/62d6d6d09a794712abe5ab9c

The masses should repeat this as "Our Father": Lenin and the Bolsheviks are to blame for the bloody massacre taking place in Ukraine today. NATO and Bandera are also involved in business there, but it is Lenin who is the main culprit of the tragedy unfolding in Ukraine. It is understandable, Lenin has been to blame for everything since '91. Neither normal democracy can be built because of him, the bald villain, nor modernization can be carried out, nor import substitution, nor civil society can be created, nor Ukrainians destroyed…

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 No.1108387

>>1108325
I think you are missing the point of your pic, although you should read b/w the lines to get it. They are proposing the same model to be applied to Taiwan which is now in progress in Ukraine: fund them, send them war tech, but don't directly engage, let China engage for years (until the inevitable fall of Taiwan), and that way 1) "we" (NATO) can maintain our arsenal, while 2) China struggles and consumes (some of) its military reserves, 3) and thus the status quo is preserved for at leadt a few years.

If this becomes a "model" for US imperialism, it signals them having had to move from active wars to proxy wars to funding wars, which is basically admission of decline in their capacity to uphold their hegemonic global position.

 No.1108388

>>1108384
Lame ass article tbh. I like Remi Meisner's historical stuff and his fiery defences of Stalin, but this one is literally just dunking on strawmen without even trying to address the actual points made by Zommunists. An extended, more verbose version of "so you think Russia is socialist huh?!"

 No.1108389

>>1108384
Good post

 No.1108391

>>1108164
English article or translation of parts of accusation of participating in corruption?

 No.1108393

>Amnesty points out Ukraine's doing some not great things
>The ENTIRE lib-o-sphere turns on them instantly
It's all too easy to coax them into eating each other alive.

 No.1108394

>>1108391
I'm interested too but I'm too dumb to get around the Die Welt paywall. The article is already 3 days old and it seems like it didn't get picked up by the international press.

 No.1108408

>>1108394
>I'm too dumb to get around the Die Welt paywall
https://12ft.io/

 No.1108423

>>1108350
The art on the fifth pic, especially that of lenin, looks like something I got out of Dall-E

 No.1108459

>>1107657
Ah ok, I did follow the chain, but honestly the message is so garbled I didn't understand your meaning. Apologies then lad!

 No.1108463

>>1107726
Thanks. It ain't my image, it got made on one of the Ukraine threads months ago, and it'd been the closest one that fit my purposes.

 No.1108464

>>1108408
>>1108394
Or just take the link, run it through archive.is and read it there.

 No.1108469

>>1107750
>Using civilians as shields isn't a specifically fascist thing
Well it typically is used by fascists and other ideologies that do not care about the lives of civvies as they fight people that do care about said civilians.

 No.1108479

>>1107803
>There are ultranationalists in Russia obviously
I mean in the traditional nazi sense. Russia has nationalists and conservatives for sure, but they're very much different and not at all insane as those in the USA for example. The USSR, no matter how they may oppose it (if they're pro Czar for example) still left a significant mark on their ideology and they understand that even if they may not like the "name" of communism, the concept of a strong central state that defends the country from outside influence is appealing and has proven itself valuable to maintaining a functional country and protecting the Motherland. It's something that can be worked alongside in the struggle against a far more devilish capitalist foe and can be dealt with after things stabilize.

 No.1108481

>>1107809
>One of the main reasons I didn't support the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was because I thought it would take resources away from reconstructing Afghanistan.
LMAO at least you had your heart in the right place even if you were wrong.

 No.1108484

>>1107883
This is absolutely kino shit. Anons I'm more convinced by the day that the DPRK is possibly the most based socialist state that has ever existed.

 No.1108486

>>1107856
It's mostly aesthetic TBH. I doubt most of them are sincerely czarists… as you point out, it's a LARP… and they do look pretty good in uniform, you have to admit.

 No.1108495

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 No.1108498

>>1107915
1) Argument by Authority
2) Marx has BEEN incorrect before in both predictions and view. Partially because he's a human being and a philosopher, not a prophet and partially because of the Observer Effect. His books and the actions they inspire in itself changed the progression of society and Capital.
An example of his incorrectness is Russia, as he found little Revolutionary potential in it, had little regard for Russia itself and ignored the numerous revolts and Revolutions in the country there, more likely out of ignorance of life there, than anything else. And yet despite this it had been Russia that successfully revolted, while Germany's communist Revolution got stamped out and failed to create a socialist state.

 No.1108499

>>1108479
There are absolutely are Nazis in Russia but Putin cracked down on them hard and sent most of them underground, so they're much less influential and active compared to the 2000s. Ukraine's problem is that it never had its own Putin or Lukashenko who would consolidate national capital, so the anarchy and oligarch wars of the 90s never stopped there and as such neo-nazis thrive as the different oligarch factions utilize them as shock troops.

 No.1108500

>>1107910
>a historically Russian port
And an important and large trade and military port for that matter.

 No.1108501

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 No.1108502

>>1108355 (me)
>>1108358
>>1108370
To the black market. Is a long documentary, tho.

 No.1108503

>>1108499
>There are absolutely are Nazis in Russia but Putin cracked down on them hard and sent most of them underground
That's my meaning. If they're underground, they're not really part of Russia so much as a 5th Column.
>Ukraine's problem is that it never had its own Putin or Lukashenko who would consolidate national capital, so the anarchy and oligarch wars of the 90s never stopped there and as such neo-nazis thrive as the different oligarch factions utilize them as shock troops.
Absolutely

 No.1108508

>>1108501
Libs are living in the 25th century while we're in the 21st century

 No.1108523

>>1108501
> Is there anything more western that the enemies of the west hate more than capitalist LGBT culture?
Gorky.jpg

 No.1108542

File: 1659819985210.png (180.93 KB, 400x300, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1108503
Westoids have a nearly nonexistent understanding of Russian politics so when they hear "Russian nationalists" they think alt-right, racists and nazis because those are people who call themselves nationalists in the West, and since Putin is described as a Russian nationalist he's also a racist nazi. Meanwhile there are several disparate and broad groups of "Russian nationalists" who are often at odds with each other. First you have the generic boomer nationalists who support Putin and are enamored with the idea of a strong state, often even have a positive view of the USSR, and have no problems with multiculturality. Then you have religious Empire wankers who don't like the USSR but aren't against a multinational Russia either. Also there are "national democrats" (like what Navalny was before he became a regular lukewarm lib) who bemoan the fact that Russia never became a proper European nation-state because of the October Revolution, and want an ethnostate because it's the best way to "Western values and work ethnic" (similar to what Ukrainian elites believe). Finally there are bona fide neo-nazis who are almost uniformly opposed to Putin because he stresses the multinational character of Russia, most of them support "le based ethnostate of Ukraine", and fucking hate modern Russia because it's been muttified and Sovietized.

 No.1108549

>>1108350
Summary executions for political cartoonists.

 No.1108555

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 No.1108564

>>1108355
More than I imagined tbh

 No.1108568

>>1108555
Who is Vlad and why did he jail his critic Joe?

 No.1108569

>>1107719
>NAFO
wtf is nafo

 No.1108573

>>1108569
Nafo these nuts.

 No.1108574

>>1108569
nato in shibaspeak
some /k/fags started the meme and normies are adopting it lol

 No.1108582

>>1108502
>>1108355
They managed to keep the swastikas off camera, which is impressive.

 No.1108585

>>1108542
Yeah, right on the money comr8

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 No.1108606

>>1108164
reposting

 No.1108618

>>1108325
>You WILL starve, freeze to death then DIE AGAIN for Taipei.

>>1108355
wew

>>1108358
don`t give them ideas, anon

>>1108501
holy fuck I thought it was getfiscal

 No.1108619

That ‘Russians with attitude’ guy is a good armchair war reporter but he sometimes let slip some absolutely demented takes.

Nibba got in an twitter spat with some Estonian guy and started talking about how the ‘foreign bolsheviks’ ‘looted’ Russia to build the Baltic’s and Georgia into First world nations.

 No.1108622

>>1108383 >>1108355 >>1108502 >>1108582
Said this in february that western europe is about to be flooded with psychotic gangsters with rocket launchers and people told me that that wasn't going to happen.

 No.1108635

>>1108622
I don't recall people here saying it wouldn`t happen. We said that was deliberate.

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 No.1108647

>>1108619
It's a common take among Russian nationalists/tsarists that the RSFSR "fed" other Soviet republics and too many resources were directed towards nationalities other than ethnic Russians. Sort of an inverse colonization by minorities I guess, as they see it.

Contrast it with the Westoid critique where liberals and "anti-tankies" say the USSR was a Russian ethnostate that oppressed and erased lesser nationalities somehow.

 No.1108664

>>1108622
The "documentary" basically blackmails EU into supporting Ukrainian victory, or be stuck with insurgents.

 No.1108669

>>1108642
The mixture of arrogance and retardation of these faggots is so insufferable. Like it's completely unreasonable to these fags that a defensive army would still commit war crimes such as using human shields, or even worse, that because they're defending somehow it's justified and not as bad.

 No.1108671

>>1108642
I'm conviced ukranians would launch nukes and blame russia for it if they had the chance

 No.1108675

>>1108664
victory for ukraine is impossible even with all the help, Euros better be ready for neonazi cartels in your NATO country near you.

 No.1108678

>>1108669
same people who cry about muh billions of german women raped by Soviets

 No.1108685

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>>1108642
This idea that Ukraine is this beacon of western values and the shining light of democracy. surrounded by something close to Adolf Hitler. is the most blatant retardation I've ever heard since the justifications of the invasion of Iraq.

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 No.1108691

https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/6/7144556/
Ukrainian MP Offers to Recognize the Independence of Kosovo
>MP from "European Solidarity" Oleksii Honcharenko suggests that Ukraine should recognize the independence of Kosovo, registering a bill.
We're reaching levels of hypocrisy hitherto thought impossible.

 No.1108693

>>1108689
literally larping

 No.1108699

>>1108689
what the hell is this?

 No.1108700

>>1108642
My Dad has the exact same line of thought when it comes to soviet warcrimes in WW2 lmao
>If Germany hadn't invaded and massacred their way through Eastern Europe, none of that would have happened. If the germans get massacred its 100% Germany's fault. I'm sick of their whining !

 No.1108708

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 No.1108710

>>1108700
Nobody is saying that the rapes and revenge killings weren't war crimes, they merely point out the reasons that led to it happening. As you can see, liberals love to pathologise the Other and that's why libs think Soviets did those things because they're wild, alcoholic, oriental brutes. It's telling that libs propagate the myth of the clean Wehrmacht on the other hand. Libs also say this war was started on Putin's whim, because he is old and dying and crazy and has a small penis, etc. anything but the actual reasons this war is happening.

 No.1108721

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>>1108678
>same people who cry about muh billions of german women raped by Soviets
True we all know that Stalin punished them

 No.1108726

>>1108689
[Pig squeal sounds]

 No.1108728

>>1108685
In the year of our lord 2022 they have finally lowered their standards so much that they are only defending the word democracy and western values. There is nothing of substance in those concepts beside their cynical use in marshalling the an army of libs to support the next bombing and proxy war.

 No.1108733

>>1108689
>AAAAHHHHHHHH SAVE ME BANDERAAA AAACCCKKK!!!!!!!!

 No.1108736

>>1108733
What has Antonio Banderas to do with this?
Z

 No.1108740


 No.1108741

>>1108699
it's a representation of the jew- i mean bolshevik traitors being gassed by the heroic germa- i mean defenders of europe.

 No.1108742

>>1108678
>same people who cry about muh billions of german women raped by Soviets
Bunch of hypocrites
>>1108700
>My Dad has the exact same line of thought when it comes to soviet warcrimes in WW2 lmao
>" If Germany hadn't invaded and massacred their way through Eastern Europe, none of that would have happened. If the germans get massacred its 100% Germany's fault. I'm sick of their whining ! "
So many boomers still believe this until now
>>1108710
>Nobody is saying that the rapes and revenge killings weren't war crimes, they merely point out the reasons that led to it happening. As you can see, liberals love to pathologise the Other and that's why libs think Soviets did those things because they're wild, alcoholic, oriental brutes. It's telling that libs propagate the myth of the clean Wehrmacht on the other hand.
They're libs, what do you expect? One day we just need to put them in gulag along with cuckservacunts so they could pay what they've done to us.
>Libs also say this war was started on Putin's whim, because he is old and dying and crazy and has a small penis, etc. anything but the actual reasons this war is happening.
Another whitoid bullshit again. However ngl someday Putin should also be put in gulag. Cuz screw ex-KGB turned autocrat that using this war in order to fulfill Russian oligarchies profits. Warcrimes still warcrimes & some people responsible for it.

 No.1108745

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 No.1108746

>>1108699
a performance in Kiev meant to show the terror and suffering of Azovite PoWs killed in that artillery strike on a prison in Elenovka

 No.1108751

>>1108746
Y'know, the one that was done by Ukrainians themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT3HKIXXfDg

 No.1108754

>>1107134
fucking black hundreds larping stupid thots
should be hatefucked and then shot

 No.1108764

>>1108708
context? The Audio is garbled

 No.1108766

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>>1108761

 No.1108770

>>1108764
"Guys, where'd you get a trophy like that?" but the response gets drowned out by the tank engine
Probably found the burgershart rag at some ukrop military base

 No.1108775

>>1108767
>defends a russian equivalent of nazi ss uniform wearing thots
<b-but they do it for aesthetics right? I'm not a simp for some nazoid larping bithes I swear!!
WALL

 No.1108779

>>1108671
There isn't any depth to which fascists will not sink, of that much you can be sure.

>>1108754
you just posted cringe, bro

 No.1108790

>>1108770
Thanks
>>1108775
>russian equivalent of nazi ss uniform wearing thots
uygha relax your anus LMAO.

 No.1108798

>>1108761
Holy Romanov Martyrs / White-Army LARPers aren't the Nazi's that will theoretically kill everyone in the KPRF if they got state power because the 'Holy Romanov Martyrs / White-Army' shit is essentially the Russian aesthetic of Christian-Democracy / NeoConnery / Putin-Cocksucking.

Russian Nazis (Who are like 0.01% of the population like everywhere else on earth anyway) either prefer the hyperborea larp / Slavic faith revival / Ynglism shit - Or are just Skinhead LARPer's who use the Nazi Germoney flag which gets them criminalised anyway.

Deranged memelords like Dugin with his Russian Lusotropicalist 'You race mix! Yes.' bullshit probably genuinely have more influence in Russia culture and society then Nazi's / fashoids at this point.

 No.1108807

File: 1659832983035.png (84.17 KB, 340x296, FourEye.png)

What is the actual mindset / ideology behind American Nazi / conservative / right-wing thinking that Putin is 'saving white race from Jews/Immigrants/Communists/Liberals' and that 'If BEIJING BIDEN didn't BLOW UP THE BRIDGES TRUMP BUILT WITH PUTIN, THEN PUTIN WOULD HAVE HELPED US DESTROY PRC AND KILL COMMUNISTS/LIBERALS/JEWS!!1!!!'

Obviously Russia never plans to attack China, especially to help America.
And asides from Syrian situation Russian government isn't even particularly hostile to Jews/Israel
Russia obviously isn't really racist, Commander of whole armed forces is paternally Tuvan man - And they gloated to western europe how they 'Most ethnically diverse country in eastern Europe' or something like.

Why American Nazi / conservative so delusional?

 No.1108808

>>1108798
>Kornilov and White faggots weren't fash
you don't know what you're talking about
they were fash before fash became a thing

 No.1108815

>>1108807
Idealism

 No.1108817

>>1108808
>they were fash
<before fash
>White Guard
Western gommies really think everything right wing can be lumped under fascism.

 No.1108818

>>1108817
сука пошел нахуй
белые у него не фашня, охуеть вообще, ебанутые путинисты
ТЫ БЛЯТЬ ПОЧИТАЙ ЧТО ХОТЬ КОРНИЛОВ ГОВОРИЛ ПИЗДА С УШАМИ А ПОТОМ РАЗЕВАЙСЯ

 No.1108821

>>1108817
Yes, essentially

 No.1108823

>>1108807
They believe that simply because the swine-in-charge when Putin attacked had a (D) after his name. That's all there is to it. Had Trump been re-elected, they would be cheering for the ukronaziss and complaining they don't haave enough swastikas.

 No.1108839

>>1108647
Which is funny, since the Baltic SSRs were the only ones that contributed more to the budget than they took. (Russia didn't have an SSR)

 No.1108842

>>1108817
The Actual white-guard in the RCW did fit the basically agreed upon Marxist conceptualisation of 'fascism' [Which is different then the ideological 'Fascist's' self appointed ideological definition of themselves] insofar as it was a collapse of the [Admittedly very short lived] Liberal/Capitalist/Republican governance of Russia into open terrorism against the revolutionary section of the proles, peasants and the intellectuals / party affiliated with them.

My observation was that out of the aesthetics of MODERN Russian rightoids, White-Guard shit seems more in the realm of similarity to like 'Punisher skull boomers' then the fuckers who actually want to kill Jewish reptile people and put you in a mass grave.

 No.1108843

>>1108839
>(Russia didn't have an SSR)
It…Absolutely did, It was distinct from the supreme soviet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic

 No.1108848

>>1108842
No dude, they fit all the definitions there are
rabid, and I mean RABID antisemitism, see judeo-bolsheviks screeching, pogroms etc
rabid russian nationalism, borderline nazism, no wonder white emigres so enjoyed all the racist theories that popped up in the 20-30s
and being rabid anti-proles and more so anti-peasant too lol

just faggots all around on par with german nazis

 No.1108849

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>>1108818
>сука пошел нахуй
Сам иди нахуй оголтелый дебил.
>белые у него не фашня
Нет дебила ты кусок, Фашист это не все те кто против СССР, мудачок, а те кто следуют ИДЕИ ФАШИЗМА блять. Белые не следовали идеям фашизма а своими. Главная часть фашизма это популизм и
предательское сотрудничество между классами. Белые мародёры совсем не об этом, а о господстве нобилитета, без всякого популизма. Колчак не выёбывалься что б угадить народу.
>ТЫ БЛЯТЬ ПОЧИТАЙ ЧТО ХОТЬ КОРНИЛОВ ГОВОРИЛ
Я читал, и не его одного, так что ты глаза проверь и не вякай ересь

 No.1108851

>>1108842
Their ACTIONS may fit a general fascist behavior (that of uncivilized marauders) BUT their ideologies as seen in Kolchak and Denikin and many others do not actually place them in that category, they simply do the same things because very general concepts such as domination of an Upper Class through force is common to many right-wing ideologies, not all of them fascist, and to lump them together as all "fascist" is ridiculous and ignorant. Spme of them BECAME fascists such as Krasnov, but that is because like any traitorous ideological whores they sold out to the bigger master in return for the possibility to rule a conquered Russia/USSR, and as such allied with the Nazis in 1941.

 No.1108854

>>1108848
>RABID antisemitism, see judeo-bolsheviks screeching, pogroms
That's the originals, Eureka flag anon is talking about modern LARPers most of whom do not engage in this shit, or even know they endorsed it, given that their image of the White Guard is similar to the Clean Wehrmacht myth.

 No.1108857

>>1108849
>Белые не следовали идеям фашизма а своими
ПИЗДЕЕЕЕЕЦ ДНО

>Главная часть фашизма это популизм и

предательское сотрудничество между классами. Белые мародёры совсем не об этом, а о господстве нобилитета, без всякого популизма.
Какой нобилитет ты еблан. Белые вообще были разношерстной шоблой еблой но общее у них было их РЕАКЦИОННОСТЬ и желание вернуть все взад или притормозить коней хотя бы.
Ну и по идеям они были типичная фашня, русский этнонационализм, антисемитизм, террор имущих против крестьянских самовольных захватов.

>Колчак не выёбывалься что б угадить народу.

Так ты колчаковская подстилка что-ли? Колчак твой ненаглядный был просто говорящая голова которого никто в хуй никогда не ставил - ни собственная армия если ее можно так назвать, ни интервенты

Короче ыы просто блять лалка нихуя не знающая и не понимающая. Сиди блять дальше дрочи на колчака и молчи в тряпочку.

 No.1108862

>>1108851
>b-b-but muh Kolchak!!
SUKA it's called THE WHITE MOVEMENT for a reason
Kolchak was just a talking head, it doesn't matter what the fuck he wanted

white terror was a thing not because Kolchak wanted it, but because white movement wanted it

 No.1108877

>>1108851
Also Kornilov was literally screeching about muh jews controlling everything in Petrograd and how russia needs a military dictatorship to deal with all the radicals running around
you can't get more fash than this

 No.1108881

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>>1108807
>What is the actual mindset / ideology behind American Nazi / conservative / right-wing thinking that Putin is 'saving white race from Jews/Immigrants/Communists/Liberals'
contrarianism
>and that 'If BEIJING BIDEN didn't BLOW UP THE BRIDGES TRUMP BUILT WITH PUTIN, THEN PUTIN WOULD HAVE HELPED US DESTROY PRC AND KILL COMMUNISTS/LIBERALS/JEWS!!1!!!'
no one believes that

 No.1108887

>>1108689
This really makes me shid and fardd

 No.1108894

>>1108849
>Белые не следовали идеям фашизма а своими.

Stalin explicitly stated that Hitlerism is basically what Whites did. I'm sure that someone has the full quote

 No.1108901

>>1108857
>Какой нобилитет ты еблан
Ты видимо не понял. Белые гвардейцы это останки офицеров из Армии Р.И. и главы этих групп не могли быть не пролетарского, не крестьянского рода, так как до 1918ого, Только те кто из 'Бары' могли высших чинов достигнуть. Россия до 1918ого была Монархии с дворянами и богачами, и только начали переходить на капиталистическую форму Соц-Экономии в конце 19ого века. Вот и причём нобилитет.
>Белые вообще были разношерстной шоблой еблой
Это уже потом стало так.
>РЕАКЦИОННОСТЬ и желание вернуть все взад
Реакционность это совпадает, но не исключительно фашистское проявление
>о идеям они были типичная фашня, русский этнонационализм, антисемитизм, террор имущих против крестьянских
Опять таки, почитай идеи фашизма, как и Реакционность, мародёрство и террор не исключительно фашистское проявление, или что Испанская Инквизиция тоже фашики были?
>Так ты колчаковская подстилка
Ты читать научись я этого и не намекал, а за такие предъявления башку снесу, Ягода хера.
>ни собственная армия если ее можно так назвать, ни интервенты
Я тебя Русским языком спрашиваю… Ты ЗДУРЕЛ? Не болтай чушь. Интервенты на всех болт кладут, но Армия нет.
>Короче ыы просто блять
Короче ты баран, не понимая о том что городишь. Таких как ты используют как экземпляр "тупых совков" потому что толком не знаешь нюансы Белых и их чёрной идеологий, как тут говорят: theorylet
>Сиди блять дальше дрочи на колчака
Сука ты не понял что я Белых не люблю? Сунь тряпочку себе в ЖОПУ, питух.

>>1108862
>WHITE MOVEMENT for a reason
<Он думает что это относится к Расе
Цитирую для тупых: "Происхождение названий Белое движение и Белая гвардия связано с традиционной символикой белого цвета как цвета сторонников законного правопорядка в противоположность красному цвету революции"
>Kolchak was just a talking head, it doesn't matter what the fuck he wanted
Бля ну Остапа понесло
>white terror was a thing not because Kolchak wanted it, but because white movement wanted it
Ты что дурак? Коляк это одна из главных и ненавистных фигур Белого Террора кретин.
>Kornilov was literally screeching about muh jews controlling everything in Petrograd and how russia needs a military dictatorship to deal with all the radicals running around
Повтор в последний раз: Это не исключительно фашистское проявление а проявление ВСЕХ ДИКТАТУР реакционных идеологии, и Фашизм, и империализм и глобализм и монархизм, но они хоть и похожи, не одинаковые!!!

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>>1108894
At one point either Lenin and/or Stalin calls what was going on in Germany in the wake of the reaction to and the failure of the Free-Socialist Republic of Germany something along the lines of 'A dictatorship of the German Black-Hundreds'

Black-Hundreds obviously being the name for [sometimes descriptive, sometimes self anointed] tsarist funded gangs of the anti-Semitic, Jew reptile people conspiracy believing, minority pogroming, commie killing rightoids in Russia.

So yeah, obviously Lenin/Stalin understood that beyond the basic mechanical/Marxist definition of reaction/fascism - That the Russian 'Black-Hundreds' and the German 'Black-Hundreds' [Assorted Freikorps, Kaiserists + Smaller political parties that would consolidate into the NSDAP and DNVP etc] basically believed the same shit culturally.

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>>1108894
He said that they engaged in the same activities as reactionaries. He did not state they are fascists, because Stalin, a man very well versed in the ideologies of both communism and its enemies, understood that to be reactionary and engage in marauding and terror is not endemic to the fascist ideology but to numerous right wing ideologies, because those are all ends to a mean - that of a dictatorship, the dictatorship being the difference, be it a conglomerate of corrupt sell out (former) nobility and monarchists (The White Guard) to businessmen and their populist lackeys (Hitler). Fucking hell, since when did Leftypol fill up with theorylets that lump every rightwing reactionary as "generic fascism" and not actually identifying each cancerous cockroach as their specific type? It may not seem important to you, but it is important because each ideology has seperate nuances that must be understood to oppose them specifically. Idiots.

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>>1108904
>the Russian 'Black-Hundreds' and the German 'Black-Hundreds' [Assorted Freikorps, Kaiserists + Smaller political parties that would consolidate into the NSDAP and DNVP etc] basically believed the same shit culturally
Yes this is true, that I don't deny, but (for example) the NSDAP discarded its Kaiserboo roots for a different form of reactionary politics, fascism, Krasnov later did the same. They're BOTH reactionary groups and both engaged in similar activities, but to call them the same thing is to ignore the important details of HOW fascism arose in the first place.

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>>1108881
>no one believes that
You could find a couple on /pol/ that do think that, but generally yes that isn't the mainstream view of the right wing.

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>>1108501
Fucking porkies, everytime.

 No.1108913

>>1108501
>Westoid looks at that image
>"THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS…LE BETTER!!!"
>"IAMSOHAPPYIAMSOHAPPYIAMSOHAPPYIAMSOHAPPY…."

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 No.1108922

>>1108843
Oh, it "existed" and was "distinct", except not really. Until Perestroika, and then Yeltsin happened.

 No.1108939

Kim Jong Il – Putin

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>>1108901
>Вот и причём нобилитет.
Как то что белое офицерье было по преимуществу дворянским мешает им быть фашней?

>Это уже потом стало так.

Это блять с самого начала так было. Вначале был спонтанный белый террор как реакция на спонтанные социальные перемены.

>Реакционность это совпадает, но не исключительно фашистское проявление

>Опять таки, почитай идеи фашизма, как и Реакционность, мародёрство и террор не исключительно фашистское проявление
что для тебя фашизм вообще если не открытый террор реакционных классов?

>или что Испанская Инквизиция тоже фашики были?

А ничо что испанская католическая церковь была на стороне франкистов в Испанскую гражданскую?
Или тоже будешь лить крокодильи слезки за поруганные святыни?

>Ты читать научись я этого и не намекал

Ну конечно, ты просто так мимоходом отсоснул благородному офицеру лол.

>но Армия нет.

ОПА вот это самый яркий сигнал что ты бывший имперский правачек.
Благородная Армия-хуярмия вот это вот все. Типичное белое нытье, все мы это уже видели, "Бег" Булгакова, томные вздыхания о потерянной булке и тяжелой мигрантской доле и тоске по РОДИНЕ произносить с придыханием

Твоя ненаглядная белоармия была сборищем отбросов и неудачников которые соснули на фронтах первой мировой и у которых была одна мотивация - МОЧИТЬ ЧЕРНЬ

>нюансы Белых и их чёрной идеологий

ну это ты у нас ценитель сортов говна как я погляжу

>Сука ты не понял что я Белых не люблю?

Так что ж ты их отмазываешь тогда в поте лица?

>Он думает что это относится к Расе

<Слепошарый еблан не умеет читать
ЕЩЕ РАЗ, СТАВЛЮ АКЦЕНТ ДЛЯ ОСОБО ТУПЫХ
их называют белое ДВИЖЕНИЕ не просто так
ДВИЖЕНИЕ БЛЯТЬ, ПОНИМАЕШЬ?!

>Бля ну Остапа понесло

да-да, НИКТО не ставил в хуй твоего Колчака, приказы игнорились, интервенция относилась тоже соответственно ибо это никто и реального влияния нет
Он сам же в своих мемуарах постоянно ноет как его в хуй не ставили лол.

>ты что дурак? Коляк это одна из главных и ненавистных фигур Белого Террора кретин.

Потому что он блять говорящая голова. Террор был сам по себе, Колчак как раз ныл что это настраивает крестьян против белых.

>Это не исключительно фашистское проявление а проявление ВСЕХ ДИКТАТУР реакционных идеологии

Фашизм и есть открытая реакционная диктатура еблан.
Корнилов это же просто калька считай с австрийского ефрейтора, то же нытье про засилье евреев в тылу и как нужна крепкая армейская рука для наведения порядка и утилизации охуевших радикалов.

Ты можешь затыкать сколько угодно свои ужи и кричать "ла-ла-ла!" как малое дитя, но это не изменит того что белое ДВИЖЕНИЕ, именно как массовое движение, было как минимум прото-фашистским. Хотя если считать Муссолини и Пиночета фашистами, то такие кадры как Корнилов и Краснов были ими и подавно.

Все блять, свободен нахуй имперец недобитый.

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BRIC

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>>1109042
South Africa 10 miles ahead of everybody else.

 No.1109085

>>1108807
Fascists aren't capable of rational thought. They just follow their emotions without thinking. You can see this with fascist on either side of this war. The ones who support Russia are exactly like what you describe, whereas the ones supporting Ukraine think that the EU is some sort of white nationalist suprastate that is fighting for the well being of europeans.

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Thoughts?

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>>1109177
By their definition yes Dugin is a African loving whatever slur they use

 No.1109190

>>1109177
These are both burgers aren't they?

 No.1109193

File: 1659851607413.mp4 (1.28 MB, 640x360, 2641qRR1JPO0i6xp.mp4)

This is the definition of a soyjack

 No.1109195

>>1109190
I found out about this guy minutes ago from the /isg/ thread, supposedly he is an actual Ukrainian lmao, this is his channel https://www.bitchute.com/channel/fbESeqOk887c/

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>>1109193
>Slava Yukraeiny

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>>1109193
Guys I'm scared.

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File: 1659852671440.png (771.74 KB, 767x608, ClipboardImage.png)

Good night Ziggas

 No.1109354

>>1108486
if you larp too long you become the larp. Just look at the Nazbol "meme"

 No.1109369

>>1109085
>whereas the ones supporting Ukraine think that the EU is some sort of white nationalist suprastate that is fighting for the well being of europeans.
Though obviously this wasn't the true purpose of the E.U (The core reason being fundamental opposition to socialism as a concept) - This genuinely was the reasoning used by none other then Oswald Mosley and Kalergi as to why the E.U apparently had to be formed, To stop the endless tide of Afro-Asiatic barbarians kettled up behind the Berlin wall from destroying the lily whites. So the bizarre Pro-Ukraine / NATO-Nazis seemingly at least stay true to what an actual Blackshirt and a fan of the Nazi's who lived in their time actually believed.

>>1108807
It's based off of a bizarre American political eschatology that began to emerge after 1991 in the minds of both the most Neo of the NeoCons, Cold-Warriors and some Nazis that now that the USSR had dissolved and that the Russians had cleansed themselves of the taint of Afro-Asiatic-Semitic bolshevism that they would now join with their Aryan brothers to cleanse the Asiatic communist bug people of East-Asia.

But obviously the Russian state, with its internal and external contradictions heaped upon it, was never going to attack china in some coalition with NATO over some delusional ideology fuelled bullshit in the minds of Neo-Nazis, and has over the last decades effectively welded itself to China.
So the weird snowglobe reality / future they invented for themselves is being smashed and their complaining about how 'BEIJING BIDEN WHO IS ON THE TAKE FROM BEIJING, DROVE THE RUSSIANS AWAY FROM US, AND STARTED THIS WAR TO WELD RUSSIA TO CHINA!!!1!!'

 No.1109383

File: 1659869423124.mp4 (Spoiler Image, 15.69 MB, 1280x720, xnhy4wub96g91.mp4)

Ukrainian soldiers execute Russian POWs. NSFW obviously.

 No.1109384

>>1109354
>Just look at the Nazbol "meme"
Nazbol was an actual party formed in the 90s as a reaction to the dissolution of the Soviet Union and liberalisation of Russia's market.

 No.1109387

>>1109383
this wouldn't have happened if russia didn't invade!!!!111

 No.1109391

>>1109383
Hope this get verified by independent journos

 No.1109396

>>1109391
I wonder what happened to that journalist that followed up the knee-capping video and found the site it occurred.

 No.1109419

>>1109384
I know but that has 0 to do with what happens online (outside of Russia). Most "nazbols" or whatever propably dont even know who Liminov is

 No.1109420

>>1109387
this is their new go to for everything.
Like - Ukr has no Nazis they have a Jewish president

 No.1109441

File: 1659875204732.webm (21.43 MB, 1280x720, Roger WaterZ.webm)

one of us one of us
Gooba Gobble

 No.1109443

>>1109193
>dat quiet slava zucchini at the end

 No.1109444

>>1109042
you may not like it, but this is what the future looks like

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 No.1109453

Baltoid moment

 No.1109462

>>1109453
Further proof that rightoids are living in the past

 No.1109465

File: 1659877003166.mp4 (42 MB, 406x720, gae9yscu85g91.mp4)

>Russia is destroying schools because they are stupid, evil orcs!!

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>>1109453
>Grand

 No.1109475

>>1109453
I love how liberals have gone full mask off racism, really seals the deal to me that we're in full collapse mode. Don't forget that if you say something about it, you're immediately a Ruzzian orc who supports rape and castration. Fucking clown world.

 No.1109477

>>1109474
A grand duchy is a hierarchical position within the feudal system.
I don't know what separates a grand from a regular duchy though because I'm not into that gay ass monarchoid shit.

 No.1109485

>>1109477
they were a grand duchy instead of kingdom, because they didnt get the papal seal of approval, as they were pagan

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>>1109522
Is that Grillpilled Schizo?

 No.1109528

>>1109441
Holy shit. Can't imagine the lib meltdown. Based Roger.

 No.1109542

>>1109522
why would you go and doxx grillpilled schizo like that

 No.1109565

>>1109528
He's been on the naughty list since 2018 apparently.
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/uoters-rodzher

EXTREMELY BASED, actually. Not only vidrel but then he went and gave The Grayzone the emails when some Syria Campaign toady tried to bribe him. And more.


https://thegrayzone.com/2018/04/19/exclusive-emails-show-how-the-white-helmets-tried-to-recruit-roger-waters-with-saudi-money/
https://thegrayzone.com/tag/roger-waters/

 No.1109567

>>1109527
>>1109542
No way schizo is living in a flat that nice, I've always pictured him squatting in a forgotten soviet bunker, occasionally stealing food from the neighbors upstairs.

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 No.1109571

>>1109522
>*nods respectfully towards you*

 No.1109601

>>1109567
Grillpilled schizo needs re-education

 No.1109651

>>1108946
>яркий сигнал что ты бывший имперский правачек.
Нет это твоя шиза, как и весь твой детский пост, ты просто повторяешь тоже самое и не слушаешь, потому что тебе надо придумать для себя врага на этом сайте. Так что ты просто лох который на мельницу напал. Принимай свои лекарства дурень. Не кто здесь за белых не ликует и не ликовал, а по поводу разницы почитай лучшее мемоары приёмного сына Сталина, который описывал почему Сталин повёл его посмотреть постановку Дни Турбиных Булгакова. В конце концов Шолохова Тихи Дон прочти, та книга получивший Премию Сталинскую.

 No.1109656

>>1108946
>все мы это уже видели, "Бег" Булгакова
Если это был твой вывод из этого, то ты правду конченый отморозок

 No.1109672

THERE'S TWO MORE NATO COUNTRIES? wtf

how

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>>1109475
>They [America] don't practice what they preach, whereas South Africa preaches and practices the same thing. I have more respect for a man who lets me know where he stands, even if he's wrong, than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil.
It's been an open secret for some time now.

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 No.1109700

>>1109208
What am I looking at?

>>1109571
this brought a smile to my face

 No.1109708

>>1109419
True, but LARP online is just that, online LARP, like the insane Posadists. I'll bet you 9 times out of 10 they'd be utterly horrified at an actual nuclear exchange… if they survive.

 No.1109709

>>1107234
Nice binary thinking, retard. Next time you will join ISIS because it against west imperialism for a multipolar world 'n' shit

 No.1109719

>>1109709
Nice strawman there.

 No.1109720

>>1109651
Wtf is this argument even about? I feel like you're splitting hairs. Nazoid-kun is actually right about something for once, the White Guards were a proto-fascist movement. It doesn't matter that they were aristocratic or whatever, Franco's movement in Spain was also royalist and aristocratic in nature. Their reactionary, revanchist, class-collaborationist nature was what made them fascist. And if they had won they would establish a system similar to Francoism or Latin American juntas. The only thing from latter fascist movement that they missed was mass politics, which is what was their undoing. It's hard to have a solid base of support when your message is "we're fighting to keep you under our boot forever, you filthy peasant". You got to have a pretense of populism and pseudo-socialism as Mussolini and later Hitler realized. Btw I wonder how much conscious inspiration those two were taking from the White Guard.

I'm not worried about some LARPing college students throwing me in a river though. Rich frat kids like aristocratic aesthetics, stupid and gay but that's all it is. After all even the Soviets recognized that White Guardists had swag, vidrel.

 No.1109726

>>1109453
Behold EVROPEAN Values

 No.1109741

>>1107497
what can I do? Being attacked, going to jail for doing something other than posting on an anonymous forum while my comrades are either few in number or too busy sucking Putin's dick? Humanity is fucked, we will be stuck under exploitation forever

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>>1107298
>Russian millionaires
Billionaires from the extractive and agricultural industries? They are doing well, the unstable situation in the world means big incomes for them. Of course, they did not expect that in the West they would not appreciate the trick and try to take away palaces and yachts (before that, they only rejoiced at the huge outflow of capital from Russia and the fact that it would remain a raw material appendage of Europe for a long time, so their lack of fear can be understood)

 No.1109802

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>The President of Ukraine approved the medal "for the defense of Ukraine". 4 crossed swords, as it is written in the decree, form a cross. But it doesn't really look like a cross, more like a swastika. The coat of arms is in the center, and this is a mistake, it should not be in the center, but on top.

>But, we all understood the hint, it's good that Zelensky approved this sketch and no longer hides his beliefs.

 No.1109803

>>1109802
b-but he's a jew! this makes it not-nazi!!

 No.1109804

>>1109803
*technically*

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>>1109441
READ A BOOK N!QQA
Based brit

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>>1109720
The retard thinks I support the White Guard because I said that they're a different kind of reactionary ideologically, even if in practice all reactionaries tend to do the same shit. I don't see the reason they're so butthurt about facts. Yes some ASPECTS are fascistic, but so are many aspects of other forms of Capitalism and Feudalism, fascism isn't a catch-all term for any reactionaries, because by that logic the Spanish Inquisition is fascist… even though it had nothing to do with the ideology. Krasnov BECAME a fascist, but he changed his views (like the traitor he was) to do so.
Franco's movement also started out as Royalist, but like Mussolini he specifically defaulted to the ideology of fascism. The Nazis did too, starting off as Kaiserboos that like Franco and Mussolini discarded the monarchy after it no longer served their purposes, because it had been a means to an end. I don't think people here understand the fanaticist of The White Guard in regards to the Czar and the position of court nobility, something born of the fact that unlike the rest of Europe, Russia had been the last to start transitioning to a Capitalist economy and government, and that only came to head in 1917 after the February Revolution and the liberal-democrats came to power, being very unpopular with many of the nobility that considered them upstarts (ironic given that the lib-dems had been made up of lower nobility and pomesshiks).
>You got to have a pretense of populism and pseudo-socialism as Mussolini and later Hitler realized
True, but the White Guard DIDN'T realize this in 1918 and so lost heavily despite the intervention. That's the reason most of them ended up poor in France and Canada, or dead. Krasnov realized this and converted to fascism and put it into practice in 1941, supporting Operation Barbarossa.
>even the Soviets recognized that White Guardists had swag, vidrel
Yep
>'m not worried about some LARPing college students throwing me in a river
Obviously, though apparently the other Rus-anon schizo can't seem to seperate LARPing teens that don't even understand the true nature of their LARP and actual White Terror by the blackest of reactionaries.

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>>1109820
I think it's fair to call them proto-fascist, missing some features of later European fascism but in many ways serving as a demo version of it. There's a reason so many of them joined actual fascists later on. Also they varied a lot, some were aristocrats crazy for the Tsar like you say but Kolchak was essentially a full blown fascist who called himself the Supreme Leader and led a non-monarchical terrorist dictatorship, sort of a mini-Hitler

 No.1109863

>>1109832
Fair point. I still don't get the reason the other anon got so mad over it though.

 No.1109874

>>1109863
he gets mad over everything that isn't his weird brand of doomer ultraleftism

 No.1109893

>>1109369
>Kalergi
>To stop the endless tide of Afro-Asiatic barbarians kettled up behind the Berlin wall from destroying the lily whites.
Wasn't Kalergi's entire thing the creation of a Eurasian master-race (He was half-Japanese)?

 No.1110041

How does Z-gang cope with the fact that not even the population from cities occupied by russia are pro-russia?

 No.1110044

>>1110041
fuck off Adam.

 No.1110047

>>1110041
Kherson and Mariupol beg to differ

 No.1110055

>>1110041
says who? and don't quote radio free evropa, give me an unbiased source.

 No.1110070

>>1110041
How does your mother cope with the fact that her son (female) is a faggot?

 No.1110076

I want to read the takes from the fellow Ziggas itt, when do you think the war will end? I think it'll keep going for several months, in fact I'm almost certain it won't be over by winter. Winter will have to set in first and then that will probably take the toll on the ukroids, but that will also take a few months. It will probably be over by late February or early March 2023, so 1 year of war.

 No.1110080

>>1110044
You know I can design cities better than you, that's why you're pissed

>>1110047
Kherson had multiple protests, Mariupol probably have 1/10 of it's original population.

>>1110055
Unbiased like the russian media?

>>1110070
Don't be homophobic AND transphobic

 No.1110084

>>1110080
>protests
Those with just two dozen people showing up?

 No.1110087

>>1110080
Don't be a globohomo faggot cocksucking on Elton John.

 No.1110091

https://youtube.com/channel/UCfY7XAyMdxa9sVOuRok_R2w

Russian YouTube channel that gets hundreds of thosuands of views most videos. It translates fox news Tucker Carlson, Jimmy Dore, Scott ritter etc to Russian

 No.1110092

>>1110091
isn't that fuckin tragic. as if russia doesn't have enough home grown reactionaries.

 No.1110096

>>1110076
the war for donbas will be over this month. after that it's probably going to be about taking the rest of the south (Operation Landlock). then probably Kharkov and back to Kiev to depose the regime. Unless there's a full surrender, which seems unlikely, I think they will have to depose the regime and sever all ties between the US and the Ukrainian state to ever have peace. Your timeline seems plausible but maybe longer.

 No.1110098

>>1110091
That Jordan Peterson in the banner?

 No.1110099


 No.1110104

>>1110099
This one by Jackson Hinkle was translated. It has 652,000 views

Imagine if Jackson is famous in Russia

 No.1110106

>>1110080
>Kherson had multiple protests
Ah right the totally legit protest of less than 2000 people that had obvious ukrop agitators trying to provoke the Russian military, out of a population numbering in the tens of thousands. As for Mariupol, the reason there are so little people is Azov, those kind bastards that murdered and terrorized people then hid behind them as Russia came.

 No.1110110

File: 1659911564232.png (1.31 MB, 680x917, ClipboardImage.png)

The /uhg/ faggots have decided to LARP even more

 No.1110112

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This is an odd one

 No.1110115

>>1109441
lmao he was originally parroting the line that putin was too stupid to invade
what a cringey, talentless british boomer

 No.1110117

>>1110110
This picture is from /uhg/? Wow who would've guessed they're bourgeois faggots rich enough to throw away money on dumb shit like getting their faggy messages written on ukrop arty shells

 No.1110118

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 No.1110121

>>1110117
Rest assured, /pol/ demographic is primarily proles. :^)

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File: 1659912103407.png (392.04 KB, 789x1000, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1110117
>>1110118
The "- Loli" is a perfect touch to indicate just what kind of retard is shilling this shit. Based oppai-lovers go for Z.

 No.1110127

>>1110121
Not /uhg/ most of them are /k/fags, and /k/fags are almost exclusively middle class deer fuckers.

 No.1110134

>>1110127
so can someone explain why /k/ is so derangedly pro-ukrop
i thought there was a sizeable contingent of people who like russia on there because of slav memes and soviet guns and shit
was it literally just that heavily infiltrated by glowies?

 No.1110136

>>1110127
What the actual fuck. I knew /k/fags were deranged mentally ill fucks but this is something else. It better be a fake story for attention.

 No.1110139

>>1110136
I mean hunters are obviously deranged psychos, what difference does it make if they fuck the deer or just jack off to the thought of killing one

 No.1110141

>>1110134
They're the actual Republican voters, which support Ukraine.

 No.1110142

>>1110139
I'm more lenient on the ones that at least eat the animals they kill, the true psychopaths are those that have them embalmed and hang the carcass on their wall

 No.1110144

>>1110142
I think both are bad but yea I guess if you eat it it's better

 No.1110145

>>1110134
Because they are less shizo then /pol/.
poltards are so shizo they sometimes have a based take, ktards are smart enough to stick to the script.

 No.1110151

File: 1659913393253.mp4 (7.27 MB, 854x480, 62-monkeys.mp4)

>>1110145
A broken clock is right twice a day my comrade

 No.1110152

>>1110145
This is becomes very apparent when you realize how many times they've had discussions shitflinging each other between pro-Russia and pro-Ukraine posters about whose side is the one controlled by jews

 No.1110154

>>1110134
Moderators made it that way like every other internet forum. They define what kind of forum they want

 No.1110155

File: 1659913805128.png (668.14 KB, 796x796, ClipboardImage.png)

europoors fellating each other

 No.1110158

>>1110154
that'd explain why /leftypol/ has been so shit the for the past years

 No.1110160

>>1110155
baltoid moment

 No.1110161

>>1110139
I understand the stigma against hunting and hunters, i personally couldnt do it and I too hate the bass pro shop style commodification and glorification of death but consider that the deer population nedes to be contained and plenty of people do it as humanely as can be. I know a lot of First Nations and whities alike that do it humanely and sustainably and it helps them survive.

 No.1110162

>>1110155
>nazicoin

 No.1110164

>>1110161
>I understand the stigma against hunting and hunters
Is this some American thing?

 No.1110165

>>1110162
it's the Munich pact coin being re-lauched, don't worry anon.

 No.1110169

File: 1659914765127.jpg (1.14 MB, 1320x4000, deer fucking.jpg)

>>1110136
No, it's real and there's more like it. I've seen pictures of those people stupid enough to post their deed. Another one pic rel.

 No.1110171

>>1110164
Because only in/from America do you see 'hunters' hunting animals using automatic rifles and a shitton of gear.

 No.1110172

>>1110164
its become a part of the culture war in north America, yes. le evil redneck shooting animals from helicopters vs le urbanoid eating bugs and sleeping in pods. normal people know that hunting is just a part of life if done properly. Still, I can sympathize with both sides

 No.1110176

>>1110155
Sonnenrad/wolfsangel coin when?

 No.1110178

>>1110155
oh no cringe

 No.1110181

>>1108502
Alright then, let's take bets: how long before someone commits a terrorist attack in Western Europe with a Javelin or a Stinger?

I'm going to say it will happen by June next year.

 No.1110185

>>1110181
I think it's more likely someone will disassemble one of these things and turn the warhead into an IED.

 No.1110187

>>1110134
/k/ has shifted dramatically more towards the petty bourgs.

 No.1110189

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>>1110155
literally a naked woman in a wheat field

 No.1110198

File: 1659916614568.png (968.57 KB, 1280x1156, ClipboardImage.png)

Found this cringe recently, fucking HIMARs fags are probably as bad as the Javelin gits

 No.1110200

>>1110185
>>1110181
I don't like to make these predictions. If anything, I have a hunch these weapons will end up in ultra pro-western groups, and the attacks would be made to eastern countries that do not align with the west. A little bit of Dialectical in my Materialism soup, please.

 No.1110210

>>1110198
>Russian is the only word which doesn`t begin with a capital letter

 No.1110213

>>1110198
it's just US weapons propaganda, there is none of this trash about the holy RPG or some shit like that.

 No.1110215

>>1110198
Any idea what will be the next wunderwaffen they try to shill? i'm putting my money on the A1 Abrams.

 No.1110216

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>>1110155
>Eesti 2022

 No.1110218

>>1110215
Special NATO Rope™ for every Ukrop to hang themselves with.

 No.1110221

>>1110155
the only way ukraine will ever be in the EU

 No.1110222

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 No.1110224

>>1110200
>A little bit of Dialectical in my Materialism soup, please.
Heaping ladelfuls of smug pseudery in my posts pls

 No.1110228

File: 1659919073902.png (1.02 MB, 926x927, ClipboardImage.png)

Kek

 No.1110231

File: 1659919429318.jpg (50.6 KB, 519x933, uky.jpg)

>>1110228
In Memoriam

 No.1110238

>>1110155
we are reaching to copium levels we didn't believe it was possible!

 No.1110241

>>1110228
Wait wait wait wait. Since when the ukrops have F16s? who made this shit? don't tell me it was the UMOD.

 No.1110244

>>1109522
These are the "ubermensch" calling Russians subhuman orcs.

 No.1110246

>>1110244
Makes sense that goblins are mad at orcs.

 No.1110255

>>1110246
ukrainians are more like goblin slayer goblins than warhammer goblins though
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Gretchin_Revolutionary_Committee

 No.1110266

>>1110241
They don't, I think they're hinting at either getting them soon or hinting at the US to give them some lol. It would be such a shitshow, their pilots would probably end up being trained very hastily and thrown at the sky would barely any experience.

 No.1110274

>>1110127
These are the people who call leftists degenerates. Fucking rightoids are nothing more than hypocrites.

 No.1110283

>>1110155
I honestly wonder what Europeans who know about Ukraine's fascist history with that phrase think.

 No.1110293

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>>1110246
Meat iz bak on de menu boyz!

>>1110255
LMAO finally you have made a comeback Shay!

>>1110274
Did you expect anything else?

 No.1110296

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 No.1110298

>>1110266
They can do all of that, but praising stuff is not even there, when in practice is precisely soviet technology that's been doing ukr job, it is what I find laughable. The need, the urge, to twist reality to fit their personal appreciation of current events.

 No.1110302

>>1110298
Still it would be neat to see a Sukhoi or a Mig getting its first air-to-air kill since Vietnam.

 No.1110313

>>1110302
They've been getting plenty of kills since Vietnam, hell a MiG-25 took out an F-18 in Iraq and (although the US refuses to admit it and Saddam's government left its documents hard to find) an F-15 too. Not to mention that Ukrainian and Russians in sukhois and MiGs clashed in Africa during the 90s and the Russian Su-27s took out the MiG-27s 4:0. There's a bunch of other examples in between those times but I digress

 No.1110315

I'll make the new Bread for the next thread after this one hist bump limit and drops to Page 3

 No.1110316

File: 1659924061451.jpeg (103.52 KB, 1600x800, cheers.jpeg)

>>1108384
Beautiful my uygha.

<b-b-but Multipolarism will trickle down prole! You will be like proles in america living off the exploitation of your own periphery! you just need to die in a couple of anti-imperialist wars that's all!

 No.1110317

>>1110316
>just live as a dependent country bro, the incoming revolution in the west will trickle down to you

 No.1110321

Hey Zgang, what about Bucha?

 No.1110323

>>1110321
A massacre of pro-Russian civilians by Ukrainian special forces

 No.1110325

File: 1659924505951-0.jpg (336.71 KB, 672x727, dpr anarchist.jpg)

File: 1659924505951-1.jpg (264.18 KB, 1280x960, anarchist oun upa.jpg)

>>1108384
>Blog post of a Russian self-hating schizo
Your /pol/ tier shit about "st00pid Russkie Ivan" and "de Oligarchszzz!" is fucking monotonous and tiresome. Read Lenin you pseud.
Also in regards to that second image, this got addressed MONTHS AGO, you fucking armchair analyzing keyboard warrior, see the /edu/ thread on Ukraine. Take your copy-pasta blogpost back to the liberal-leftist forums you got it from.
Pic 1 isn't even a debate "Oooooh you can buy a replica flag online in a intercnnected online market, how could this happen in a market economy!?" Do you think those flags grow on trees moron? This is literally the iphones argument; FYI there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, fucking n00b.

TL;DR: Bothsideism and bitching about 'de russkies just as bad' is a fallacious argument that has been debunked here many times, and text walling doesn't make it legitimate. Go out there and fight, you ideologue, instead of moralfagging here about shit you don't understand.

 No.1110326

>>1110321
Debunked months ago, many of the bodies 'discovered' had either been lying there since before the Russians took control and left, or had white armbands - a symbol of support for Russia and the Z.

 No.1110327

>>1108384
>Zommunists naively believe that the Russian Federation should bring Ukraine something more progressive than the banal change of Ukrainian capitalism to Russian capitalism. That Putin and Kadyrov are a couple - they are almost restoring the USSR with their humanitarian bombing, they are almost going to build communism.

 No.1110329

>>1110293
the age of ukronazis is over. the time of the z has begun

 No.1110335

>>1110329
I'm just waiting for Russians to make the cheapest most scuffed scout UAV possible, and call it Gitfinda.

 No.1110339

>>1110335
Send them an email for the idea, Russians are fans of the old school WH40k (Ya kno, before /pol/fags took it over in online media)

 No.1110342

>>1110329
A fellow Ringbearer fan I see.

 No.1110343

>>1110317
>just die in an anti-imperialist war for national capitalists profits bro! your children will be exploited less than you, maybe *gasp* we would even have our own mexico to pick tomatoes and dig potatoes! the cause worth dying for!
тупорылый путинский штопаный гандон

 No.1110351

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>>1110343
Ебанько не забудь зигануть и прокричать "СЛАВА УКРАИНЕ!" на выходе, Ok?

 No.1110352

>>1110343
Can't really avoid anti-imperialist war, when imperialists are knocking on your windows.

 No.1110357

>>1110313
What's the instance of that downed F-15? All the time I read about it they always make a big deal about it having a 102-0 kill ratio, they say all the downed claims (by Syrians vs Israel, for example) have never been proven by showing the downed wreckage.

 No.1110358

>>1110351
>ТЫ НЕ ЗА ПУТЕНА ТЫ ЗНАЧИТ БАНДЕРА! ПРЕДАТЕЛЬ! НЕ ХОЧЕТ УМИРАТЬ ЗА КАПИТАЛИСТИЧЕСКУЮ РОДИНУ СУКА! УХ ФАШИСТЫ ХОХЛЯЦКИЕ КОЛЛАБОРАЦИОНИСТЫ ВЕЗДЕ! НЕ ПОНИМАЮТ ЧТО МЫ ОСВОБОЖДАЕМ ОТ ЖИЗНИ ЛЮДЕЙ НА ИСКОННО РУССКИХ ЗЕМЛЯХ!
да-да все предатели имперец ебаный

 No.1110359

>>1110343
>Everything and everyone is just like my retarded understand of US politics!
<I-if you support denazification that means you condone all of Putin's ideals
<Please forget the thousands already dead and dying in the past 8 years of Ukrainian shelling, please forget the rabid fascism in Ukraine and their fall to NATO slavery, it's much more preferable to be part of the greatest anti-commuinst hegemon, I'm totally a communist guyz
Dirty gits like you are the reason that communist movements get repressed, because you think your inane bothsidist nonsense is actually true, because the concept of details, nuance and dialectics are alien to you. You're not a communist, you're not 'for the poor people' you are a Right SR type liberast that virtue signals and concern trolls about things you don't know or care to understand. Lenin would laugh at you like he did at Trotsky, only at least Trotsky actually did things even if he was a traitorous contrarian, YOU are just shitting yourself on a food-frying forum.
Eat Shite
Z

 No.1110360

>>1110358
>NATO openly said it wants Russia to go the way of Yugoslavia
>but have you considered the fact that Russia capitalist?

 No.1110362

>>1110357
>102-0 kill ratio
Can't find it anymore the site the information and documents had been on got taken down and archive.is deleted their copies for "some reason" It described an Iraqi MiG-25 Pilot taking out an F-15 during the first Gulf conflict.
>have never been proven by showing the downed wreckage.
By that metric the F-15 kill ratio should be more like 25:0 because you could count on your fingers and toes the number wreckages that could be confirmed as f-15 kills according to the media. The F-15 is a spectacular fighter, don't get me wrong, but to be in so many conflicts and for so long, its impossible that none got taken out Air to Air. They're tough, but not invincible, as they have a decent loss ratio to SAMs.

 No.1110363

>>1110352
>when imperialists are knocking on your windows
huh? where?
you must mean our dear partners right? that we so eager to sell gas to right? and to buy houses and yachts in right? and send our children to study right?

 No.1110364

>>1110363
>collaboration and partnership is when your trade stuff
So when will you be dropping your "most ideologically pure communist" outfit to slip back into your much more comfortable liberal one? It's rather annoying.

 No.1110366

>>1110343
This is the second time I've seen "darned condom" being used as an insult in my /leftypol/ career, the last time was like a year ago. Pretty amusing insult tbh.

 No.1110367

File: 1659927095185.jpg (207.02 KB, 1079x960, euthanize.jpg)

>>1110358
>ТЫ НЕ ЗА ПУТЕНА ТЫ ЗНАЧИТ БАНДЕРА
And the hysterics go on. You are such a detestable ideologue (one that doesn't even comprehend ironic hypebole) that I'm not even going to waste the Russian language on you, you besmirch it, no different to Trotsky and traitors like him. Your whinging about "muh capitalists" is fucking nonsense, born from a superiority complex. you keep going on and on about "the people's lives" yet your caricaturization of people supporting Russia (something that includes many, MANY of the LDNR and Ukraine that suffered and welcomed Russia's soldiers) is that of an entitled shitbag, you pretend to care about the people, but you disdain them for being "st00pid ignorantZ". Suffer in Donbass for 8 years then you can decide if Russia's actions are good or not, you boneless scum. Not to mention the soldiers that fight there are not conscripts, they are specially selected groups that either volunteer or are dedicated military men, not 18 year olds doing their 2 years service.
>СВОБОЖДАЕМ ОТ ЖИЗНИ
Russia has saved tens of thousands of lives, already began rebuilding Mariupol and other cities and their air defense has protected many more in Donetsk from the iron rain of MLRS and Tochka-U, have you ever been near an explosion? Felt the terror? The confusion and pain? If you haven't then shut the fuck up.
>ИСКОННО РУССКИХ ЗЕМЛЯХ
READ STALIN YOU FUCKING TRAITOROUS SYCOPHANT, the only people close to being an "имперец" here is YOU.

 No.1110368

>>1110362
I don't want war but I'd love to see how F-22s or F-35s would perform. I think depending on who the US next goes to war with it would be a complete massacre, like if they go to war against Iran, the USAAF would absolutely decimate the Iranian airforce. But I wonder how an air war with Russia or China would look like.

 No.1110370

>>1110363
>our dear partners
<Oh noez the ruling class in a capitalist government does capitalism!
Yeah no duh, faglord. This isn't about them, they're not getting much out of this conflict because they're sanctioned to hell and don't have enough fingers in the military pie to make up for the capital they lost, not to mention many of them revealed their turncoat colors and either left the country or are ostracized. Communists are getting more support by the day and the conflict has given them a foothold in the LDNR and the potential to build a meaningful organized base rather than the easily broken and disconnected Union protests that get crushed. Again READ LENIN, READ STATE AND REVOLUTION.

 No.1110371

>>1110368
One missile to fuck up a runway, and no more American air force.

 No.1110372

>>1110368
>the USAAF would absolutely decimate the Iranian airforce
True, but that's more due to numbers and AWACs than pure superiority. Iran is still a reckonable force
>F-22s
Air Superiority specialists, probably one of the best, but incredibly expensive to maintain and small in numbers, not to mention not Carrier friendly
>F-35
Overloaded multi-tasking turkey that relies on gimmicks and pure force to keep itself viable. its also very expensive. in terms of combat potential its just a jacked up F-16 Block E
>

 No.1110378

>>1110343
Lmao what are you even arguing? I can't tell

Whatever it is, it clearly isn't distinguishing how within capitalism there is a great inequality between the imperialist states and the dependent periphery. Globalization proved too much for it.

 No.1110380

>>1110378
Putin bad, Russia capitalist, NATO and Russia are actually collaborating, you are becoming hysterical.

 No.1110386

>>1110380
I think you meant to reply to the other post

 No.1110388

>>1110386
No, no I didn't.

 No.1110389

>>1110380
>Putin bad, antimp Russia is actually imp, mega imp and antimp collaborating
are you delusional

 No.1110392

>>1110389
Hey, I'm not going to be your go-between translator, talk to the lib/ultra directly.

 No.1110399

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 No.1110401

>>1110399
Liberalism has the situation well in hand.

 No.1110402

>>1110401
Ah, the Working Joe poster! Hallo there!

 No.1110404

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>>1110400
This gave me an idea - another term for the alphabet soup agencies; (glowing) Imps, pic rel could be a good template

 No.1110411

>>1110080
>Mariupol probably have 1/10 of it's original population.
Denazification sorta has the effect of culling the nazis. Here's the z-pill on this, 100% of the non-nazi population support Russia. It's just the nazi population turned out to be much higher than previously thought.

 No.1110429

>>1110367
>Suffer in Donbass for 8 years then you can decide if Russia's actions are good or not
Oh yes, if you live in the war-torn pseudo-republic surrounded by Russian military and private contractors you will be sure to have a high opinion of Russia, and that's why Putin is so popular in that region. Except not really, strangely he enjoys more support closer to Moscow. And if you moved out of the donbass in the past 8 years like 50% of the population? Well you don't have the right to comment on it you scum because you didn't "suffer" the virtuous war for long enough. Only by becoming a martyr can you earn the approval of z-gang.

 No.1110431

>>1110429
Weather in Langley this time of the year?

 No.1110437

>>1110316
This whole "but BRICS is capitalist" smells of running interference for the US.

<b-b-but Multipolarism will trickle down prole!

You say that like the workers have many options. Is there any impending socialist revolution in the works? No?
Then "multipolarism" , which is really just code for the fall of US hegemony, is coming whether you like it or not. Because you can't do anything about it. The breakdown of US hegemony did not come from left forces, they are not being misguided into allying with capitalists. This is a crisis of globalized capitalism and it neither has taken nor requires your input to unfold.

So from the starting point that US hegemony will fade one way or another, why should the left oppose this?

 No.1110440

>>1110431
Cloudy as usual sir, cloudy as usual.

 No.1110442

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>>1110429
>pseudo-republic
I see you Imp, Cr-i-me-a river next
>private contractors
<just blurting "private" is an argument
The USSR is not around, and your moralistic nonsense about capitalism being capitalist is retarded and is a burger view of things as Black and White. This isn't your marvel movies, faggot.
>ou will be sure to have a high opinion of Russia
Given that they actually helped them, yes
>surrounded by Russian military
<for 8 years
Strelkov stop taking heroin
>strangely he enjoys more support closer to Moscow
Source: I made it up
>if you moved out of the donbass in the past 8 years like 50% of the population
Try that again you Google translate using imp
>you didn't "suffer" the virtuous war for long enough
thanks for proving my point about you being a dismissive cunt that has utter disdain for the proletariat and only uses them as a moralistic club to attack people, you're not communist, you're a liberal. Go back to sucking Navalny's cock.
>Only by becoming a martyr can you earn the approval of z-gang.
LMAO no.

 No.1110444

>>1110440
Good thing I'm still on vacation for one more month.

 No.1110446

>>1110442
>your moralistic nonsense about capitalism being capitalist is retarded and is a burger view of things as Black and White
Oh I don't expect mere morals to sway your view. You're quite impressively amoral and lacking in principles.

 No.1110449

>>1110372
How is stealth a gimmick? It’s also faster than a loaded F-16 because it stores it’s weapons inside itself, reducing drag.

 No.1110450

>>1110437
BUT THERES OTHER CAPITALISTS
SOCIALISTS CANT EVER TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SITUATIONS NATURALLY DEVELOPING BY CAPITALISM
THE LAST 100 YEARS SAW SOCIALISTS RISE FROM NOTHING IN PERIODS WHEN NOTHING WAS HAPPENING AND DIDN"T RELY ON THE INSTABILITY CAUSED BY CAPITALISM AND CAPITALISTS TO SEIZE POWER

 No.1110451

>>1110429
I don't want to sound too harsh and please don't take it the wrong way but I pity your mother.

 No.1110455

dear unipolarists:
why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
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>i don't want that
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>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?
>i don't want that
NATO is imperialist bourgeoisie and they are only doing this for imperialism. why do you want people to remain under the imperial yoke of NATO?

 No.1110478

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just a thought ziggoids: if ukraine is a nazi state and all ukrainians are at minimum nazi collaborators, then your resident tank stokholmed ukroid anon should be banned for not assasinating Zelensky yet or blowing some military depot.

DEATH TO NAZIS! DOWN WITH THE TANK POSTER!

 No.1110487

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>>1110446
No I am not lacking in them, you are, blatant projector. Idealism like yours, especially so blatantly inauthentic, breaks upon the rocks of reality every. damn. time. Like I said before, READ STALIN you cretin and cure yourself of your bleating and vague liberal nonsense, or begone from here and stop wasting our time with inane hand-wringing.

 No.1110494

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>>1110450
Yeah no, your critical misunderstanding of communism and how revolutions succeeded and failed is totally warped by your inability to pay attention to details, such as geopolitical situation, the need for realpolitik and making compromises to gain a foothold for the future. Lenin speaks of this and DID it. He didn't start a revolution in the wars middle, he let the government fuck up enough that the people tore it off and rose up to the challenge after the liberal-democrats ended up being another sham. He took advantage that it was wars end, and that the entire globe had been so occupied in fighting itself that Russia could make a deal and isolate itself long enough for the Red Army to begin a Civil War against their anti-communist enemies and so be strong and organized enough to face the intervention as a more or less unified nation. Before ALL of this, he spent years with colleagues theorizing and pushing the youth of the time to execute them, rising up not in bourg elections for leadership, but to gain holds in smaller locales that let them spread influence and class consciousness. More importantly the legacy of the USSR in Russia is inescapable and shapes the minds and direction of the people and government. If this had all been a vaccuum then it'd not be a problem, but it isn't, the USA isn't gonna sit on its ass and let you do a revolution. They'll try to co-opt it, or violently repress it or anything else and without a strong state resisting is impossible. You don't understand this… at all, even in my laymans explanation.

TL;DR: Read Lenin and Stalin, you nonce.

 No.1110495

Looks like Amnesty was forcesld to apologise

 No.1110500

>>1110449
>It’s also faster than a loaded F-16
It can't supercruise, it isn't faster because loading inside creates a larger frame that makes more drag, it is barely faster than the F-16 and certainly not faster than any other US Jet fighter. The stealth is a gimmick as explained numerous times on leftypol. They're only any good if you're flying doing nothing, the moment your bombbay opens the RADAR signature goes up and they'll continue to track that blip. Not to mention that it only functions against certain short-wave RADARs. A long-wave can detect it, and Russia and most others combine it with short-wave to track targets clearly. The F-117 and F-22 did it right, a small series of tactical strike aircraft, they pop in, strike hard and get out in the confusion masking their signature. The F-35 can't do that. It's got poor handling for a thrust vectoring jet and all the various tech stuffed inside has to make up for that. There is also nearly no redundancy on the systems, meaning a malfunction is fatal, and complicated planes can and do malfunction. The F-16 is prone to that.
Sure the engine is strong, but a single engine limits the design size and carry capacity and if it gets fucked up, then there's no back up to keep it flying. It could replace the F-16, but it's meant to replace the F-16, F-18 and to an extent the A-10. Given the retiring status of the aging and poorly maintained F-22s, that is also a role its getting pigeonholed into. etc. etc.

 No.1110501

>>1110478
Nice fallacy you got there faggot.

 No.1110505

>>1110495
it's all ogre now

 No.1110516

>>1110495
it's a weird apology. they stand by the finding but "regret" the pain caused. so what they said is true but they're sad that libs cried.

 No.1110517

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NEW BREAD
>>1110515
NEW BREAD
>>1110515
NEW BREAD
>>1110515

Join after this one hits Page 3 or 4.

 No.1110518

>>1110516
Being libs themselves, this kind of backpedaling apologia is typical

 No.1110520

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>>1110478
You think I still live in Ukraine?

 No.1110537

>>1110478
> all ukrainians are at minimum nazi collaborators
nobody said that except you, dummy

 No.1110538

>>1110455
damn this new rage against the machine song sucks

 No.1110776

>>1110520
which AES state did you pick to live anon

 No.1111507

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>>1110478
no one actually thinks Ukraine is a nazi state, the reason why posters support Russia is that they don't like the govs in charge of the west
>enemy of my enemy and all


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