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 No.1107761[Last 50 Posts]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/11/charles-manson-1960s-radicals-loved-him/

Some of the New Left praised the Tate-LaBianca murders as a heroic anti-fascist rebellion against the man.

Were they right?

 No.1107764

No

 No.1107765

Wasn't Manson obsessed with a race war where the blacks would rise up or something?
Very /pol/ of him.

 No.1107768

>>1107765
>Wasn't Manson obsessed with a race war where the blacks would rise up or something?

Yeah, he called it "The Helter Skelter" and insisted the beatles song was secretly about it

 No.1107769

Thanks OP for more proof that the New Left was full of degenerate scum.

 No.1107772

the website is so bloated librewolf doesnt even load it. not worth reading.

 No.1107777

>>1107765
yes that's why the atomwaffen/09a/pol fags love him

 No.1107780

>>1107777
numbahs

 No.1107817

Any opinions on this video? It was made by nazoid schizo but it's kinda popular

 No.1107825

>>1107761
I'm glad we're at the point where we're asking if schizo career criminals are secretly heroes of the proletariat. Very happy this isn't in >>>/siberia/

 No.1107831

>>1107817
> It was made by nazoid schizo
won't dignify it with a click
> but it's kinda popular
so is vidrel. and?

 No.1107835

>>1107765
Funny enough he believed the race war would be mainly fought between whites and white liberals fighting alongside blacks. He alwaya saw anti racist whites as the main enemy

 No.1107843

Why do we keep getting shitty Posts like this?
Every day for the past few days has been
>Hello leftypol, I am Real Leftist 2645199 and was wondering DAE think [insert reactionary philosopher, organization, theory, or cultural shibboleth] is based and red pilled?

 No.1107844

Your Honor, could a guilty man do this?

 No.1107846

>Some of the New Left praised the Tate-LaBianca murders as a heroic anti-fascist rebellion against the man.
yeah, dope fiends and hippies on enough acid to come to that conclusion would love that neo-nazi hippie
since the hippie movement's leadership was tightly connected to the cia, is this really surprising to us https://pleasekillme.com/cia-rock-roll/

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>>1107817
>it's kinda popular
>7k views

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>>1107843
We have newfriends

 No.1107864

>>1107861
Yeah and they need to fuckin go

 No.1107865

File: 1659786015567.mp4 (4.42 MB, 720x830, dancin manson 1.mp4)


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File: 1659786044481.mp4 (5.25 MB, 720x720, dancin manson 2.mp4)

>>1107844
dancin manson

 No.1107867

>>1107848
>the other anon was the person who created it, trying to meme himself into popularity

 No.1107930

>>1107867
Giuli333 and retards from his di$kkkord literally raided the ITG thread back in 2020

 No.1108007

>>1107930
Because Giuli is a massive uyghur

 No.1108010

I enjoyed reading books about him and watching his interviews. He's a fascinating guy and came from having nothing with a horrible childhood to building himself up

 No.1108022

>>1107769
>degenerate scum
Hello /pol/

 No.1108026

>>1107846
Idk if you were implying this, but hippies were not exactly part of the new left. A lot of people on this site seem to conflate the two.

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>>1107835
so he was sort of correct about what the struggle was

 No.1108038

>noo not le heckin bourgeoise actor lady

 No.1108044

>>1108010
He's very charismatic and I could understand why a lot of youth discarded by society would think he was some kind of messiah. Seems like the whole living in the desert taking acid eevery day thing was ruined by hard drugs and associations with criminal groups, which caused Manson to get paranoid, made worse under the influence of huge quantites of psychedelics

 No.1108161

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So far down the thread.. so little Chaos pill

become Chaos pilled:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHAOS:_Charles_Manson,_the_CIA,_and_the_Secret_History_of_the_Sixties

He was literally a racist, paedophile MKULTRA puppet used to demonise the left.

No, he was not based at all. He was a child molestor long before he was MKultra'd by the way. A piece of shit all the way through. There is a reason seigefuckers love him so much

 No.1108163

>>1107765
He thought that there was going to be a race war and that the blacks would win, but then be too stupid to govern themselves. He thought he and his followers would be able to go into hiding and then emerge to rule over the Black people after the war was over. He was also quite possibly an MKUltra glowop.

 No.1108166

>>1108161
You just accept this book as complete fact like everyone else who watches Joe Rogan with no deviation. That's not how any research about people and history is done

 No.1108170

>>1108166
Instead I'd tell you to look at this book as well instead of be so enthralled and committed to a Joe Rogan guest as having a holy scripture of who charles Manson is and every fine detail as if you have the perfect storyline

https://www.nikolasschreck.world/bibliography/the-manson-file/

https://www.amazon.com/Manson-File-Nikolas-Schreck/dp/094169304X

 No.1108175

>>1108170
Here is book pdf

 No.1108183

>>1108175
Also this one but i don't have pdf for this one on hand

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/13222282-the-manson-file

 No.1108187

>>1108175
This author is who interview Charles Manson in those famous videos that there is clips of in this thread

Nicholas schreck. And he definitely does not come to same conclusions of Manson in his research as that chaos book that is so popular because Joe Rogan

 No.1108214

>>1108166
No, I have in fact read the book myself, and it is also widely accepted by lots of people in the para political community. He also spent 20 years researching the subject, interviewing detectives involved, the DA who covered it all up, members of the family, friends of the tates, various people very close to the killings, charles manson himself and his close followers, etc etc

>>1108170
Okay sure, that's another book. what point are you saying that it makes which is counter to the points I have suggested?

 No.1108217

>>1108175
>Schreck's The Manson File (1988) is a thorough study of the philosophy, music and spiritual ideas of Charles Manson. The book brings Manson's previously obscure ATWA ecology concept and his religious devotion to the Gnostic god Abraxas to public attention. Schreck posited that the demonization of Manson (and perhaps the martyrdom of Manson by other groups) is the result of media sensationalism.[14]

>In April 2011,[15] Schreck's The Manson File: Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman, a new and greatly expanded edition of over 900 pages was released in France as "Le Dossier Manson : Mythe Et Réalité D'un Chaman Hors-La-Loi". Schreck delves deeply into previously unknown aspects of Manson's life and the Tate-La Bianca murders to present evidence that the "Helter Skelter" theory put forth by prosecuting attorney Vincent Bugliosi had little if anything to do with the reality of the crimes. According to Schreck, the murders of Sharon Tate and the others actually resulted from conventional underworld rivalries between drug dealer associates Charles Watson and Jay Sebring, who Schreck contends was linked to the Mafia.


These are literally some of the same conclusions O'Neil comes to. He explicitly states this as a possibility (the mafia bit) with these named individuals, and also says the helter skelter narrative doesn't add up, explicitly he says this.

 No.1108221

>>1108214
>No, I have in fact read the book myself, and it is also widely accepted by lots of people in the para political community

This is not a method to formulate truth of what is widely accepted and widely liked. That book was nothing before he went in Joe Rogan 2 years and it got popular. This isn't the way you analyze anything else especially as a person with a dissident ideology like you do participating here appealing to what greater group says is the deal so that is the case.

Yes the author of the one i posted has interview Manson and research him for decades. Im saying don't wholly accept the chaos book as total fact because that's done with literally nothing else. Its very popular to use that book as authoritative since it got popular and is getting a Netflix deal so it becomes the reality

 No.1108223

>>1108217
See this one. He doesn't accept the narrative of Helter skelter that is spoken of so much

https://www.nikolasschreck.world/bibliography/the-manson-file/

 No.1108224

>>1108223
Do keyword search for "Helter skelter" to save time on this

 No.1108227

>>1108221
Thats not done with literally anything else*

 No.1108232

>>1108223
yeh exactly bro, neither does O'Neil. That is what I'm saying, he explicitly rejects Bugliosi's assessment, its the basis for a lot of the book.

He also believes it could have been a drug burn that went wrong, or possibly some other kind of underworld hit, or holywood high society revenge.

On top of that though, he explores the links between Manson and MKULTRA doctors.

He also explicit about not coming to a firm conclusion, but he lays out the various evidence for each of the above possibilities.

I'm not seeing anything in the book you have posted that disagrees with what O Neil says.

What specific problems do you have with his work besides it getting big via Joe Rogan?

 No.1108318

>>1108170
>>1108175
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>>1108187
>>1108223
>>1108224
>Schreck was a Master of the Temple of Set
Fuck off satanist glowie

 No.1108323

>>1108318
He researched him extensively for many years and interviewed him. He did good work on his books

Writing people off like that is lazy.

 No.1108326

The dude carved a fucking swastika into his forehead, you tell me if he was a heroic anti-fascist. Sage goes in the email field.

 No.1108329

>>1108323
did you not write off tom o'neill because the book was popularized by rogan?

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>>1108323
I will write off a member of a satanist group founded by a military psyop officer and child molester. Fuck you.

 No.1108335

>>1108323
Him and his wife Zeena were nazis (jewish) though they split up and seem more hippie these days. Still, their books are good (Demons of the Flesh is a bit heavy on boosting their conception of the LHP but it's rather well researched) and early Radio Werewolf was also good.

 No.1108337

>>1108334
Ignores reality that way ignoring all of people's work and research because an association and saying it becomes bunk due to that. Makes you live in an alternative reality where you won't teach things that you don't like and stick to what makes you comfortable

 No.1108339

>>1108337
Won't touch things*

 No.1108342

>>1108339
I won't touch kids. This makes better than you.

 No.1108343

>>1108335
>Him and his wife Zeena were nazis

No they are not and were not

 No.1108346

>>1108342
I told you to not write off writers off the bat because of an association to a group you find and their work and you flip that around to say i am a pedophile. Nice one

 No.1108347

>>1108163
>10 % of the population
>poorer than average
>smart enough to win civil war against the vast majority
>can't govern
I have come to doubt that Charles Manson had a very sound theory.

 No.1108348

>>1108343
Sure they weren't. Zeena Levi didn't have a child as a result of getting raped by her father Anton either, nasty rumors, those. Also Boyd Rice is only in it for the lulz and Doug Pierce just really prefers to suck cock with foreskin.

 No.1108351

>>1107848
in circles like leftypol it is

I've seen it posted here many times

 No.1108362

>>1108348
fam plz drop a post about all this in esoteric hitler thread, if you already have and I missed it sorry there is a lot in there

 No.1108363

>>1108351
Nah I don't think you have posted that here before.

 No.1108369

>>1108348
>Zeena Levi didn't have a child as a result of getting raped by her father Anton either, nasty rumors,

What relevance to anything would this have? If a girl was raped by her dad that is a terrible thing. There's no reason to deny this by a person if it happens

Yes satanism and Nazi imagery was use by bands in those times to be provocative and piss off christians and preachers. They were not Nazis themselves

You cannot take these people speaking at face value about this in same way as hateful poltards who do actually idolize nazis

 No.1108378

>>1108348
also just in general this video has crazy vibes

 No.1108386

>>1108362
I'm pretty sure I did post a few times in that thread, about related things- stalking esoteric reactionaries has been a hobby of mine since I found out we have the same taste in music lol
>>1108369
I actually do appreciate the literary work of the Schrecks and Nick's docu about Charlie too. I did recommend them as well, mind you. IMO Charlie was just an unfortunate lumpenproletarian, pretty much born to be a jailbird, who was scapegoated for the copycat killings his friends did in the attempt to absolve Bobby B.
That said, the people mentioned are all in fact committed neo-nazi activists regardless of them being from the bohemian "left" wing of that movement. This is really indisputable the more you look into their tight network of associates.

 No.1108414

>>1108386
Oh fuck, it seems I myself have posted about him, as has somebody else. man, I am a retard.

" https://twitter.com/MichaelJCat1/status/1520866530191360002

>In which Zeena Schreck, daughter of Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey and a high priestess of Michael Aquino’s Temple of Set, and her husband Nikolas Schreck advocate adults having sex in front of children and breaking taboos for self actualization"

 No.1108424

>>1108378
It's pretty standard Traditionalist/Turd Position discourse tbh
>>1108414
Not that controversial, the normalization of public displays of healthy sexuality has also been advocated on the left by Wilhelm Reich, you can see traces of it in east german free body culture.

 No.1109005

>>1107761
No
He just tricked some hippies with drugs

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>>1107761
>support a guy who wanted to start a race war
>>1107843
This.
Seriously, half the time I think pan-Africanon along with
>>1108161
>>1107765
>>1107777
>>1108163
>>1109005

are some of the few sane-minded people on this site and other quarter are just contrarians for the sake of being contrarians and the other half just want to be /pol/yps with a red flag.

We got to be better, lads.

 No.1109848

>>1108369
>They were not Nazis themselves

>>1108221
>This is not a method to formulate truth
>of what is widely accepted and widely liked


?????? wdhmbt

 No.1109851

>>1109848
Appealing to an author and saying that what they say is widely accepted as status quo and main belief does not make it correct, evidence is what does. This is the way people demonize communism for example "x people say it's had or x book about communism is really popular so this is what it is". No you need to explain why you are right not just repeat what others said and hold them as an authority

 No.1109852

>>1109851
"X people say it's bad*"

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 No.1109860

>>1109851
>widely accepted as status quo
is that what "parapolitical community" means?

>>1109851
>evidence is what does
Should we just wait until the CIA releases evidence on their own? Or is it okay to extrapolate from known behavior for which we do have evidence? If we are wrong about this particular instance does that vindicate the CIA? Should we be concerned about accidentally smearing their image?

 No.1109864

>>1109860
>Should we just wait until the CIA releases evidence on their own? Or is it okay to extrapolate from known behavior for which we do have evidence? If we are wrong about this particular instance does that vindicate the CIA? Should we be concerned about accidentally smearing their image?

How do you conjure that i am appealing to a CIA approved narrative? The book i posted by nikolas schreck is actually a counter narrative to it saying Helter skelter talk is overblown and not the heart of what happened and gets nowhere near the same coverage at all.

The chaos book literally has had deal in works with Netflix and Amazon owning movie rights to it. It IS the popular narrative and the guy who wrote it gets to get interviewed on Joe Rogan and a host of news networks to preach about his perspective.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/amazon-studios-manson-chaos-1203273961/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHAOS:_Charles_Manson,_the_CIA,_and_the_Secret_History_of_the_Sixties

https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/1785152076
.

 No.1109865

>>1109864
https://www.movieinsider.com/m18085/chaos

Chaos movie production status is currently Development

January 4, 2020 • Story selection and rights acquired; idea being crafted into usable script; financing and casting attachments sought; aiming for 'greenlight' Amazon Studios has optioned the rights to "Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties".

 No.1109868

>>1109864
It sounds like you are trying to say that Manson was not CIA and the murders were not a false flag as part of a strategy of tension that included other state sanctioned serial killers that were trained by former Nazis and US special forces. It makes it seem like you are ignorant of other historical facts around that time or intentionally obscuring how this fits into an established pattern of behavior.

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>>1109868
>It makes it seem like you are ignorant of other historical facts around

The complete opposite I'm well informed about what down in those times. If you want to hear out nick who researched this for decades and talked to Tom about his book chaos here you go and in the thread i posted book earlier. If not suit yourself

 No.1109901

>>1108187
>he definitely does not come to same conclusions of Manson in his research as that chaos book

can you just tell us where they differ?

>>1109882
i don't really want to watch a two hour video, no. you haven't really explained why you disagree with one book and are advocating that we read another instead of another while other people are saying to read both. What exactly is wrong with Chaos other than "its popular on joe rogan"? Does that mean Abbie Martin is an OP for going on Rogan too?

 No.1109914

>>1109901
>you haven't really explained why you disagree with one book and are advocating that we read another instead of another while other people are saying to read both.

Cause the chaos book is already the main narrative that is accepted as you see by the opinions stated. The book offers another side of it. I'm not saying to only read one and avoid chaos one.

I did not say Tom is an op at all or that his book is bad i said it's not an instant authority for truth just because it is popular from his media appearances and big boom deal promotions. It is simply the conclusions he himself reached on his researched and they should be listened to as well.

A earlier poster had used it as because it's well liked all that it says must be the facts and that's it. When that's not how events and people are analyzed, you observe a myraid of sources as all authors come to their own perspectives from material and what they have come into contact with

 No.1109918

>>1109914
can you just tell us where they differ?

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 No.1109928

>>1109914
>A earlier poster had used it as because it's well liked all that it says must be the facts and that's it
lets see

>>1108161
>He was literally a racist, paedophile MKULTRA puppet used to demonise the left.
>>1108214
>it is also widely accepted by lots of people in the para political community
>>1108166
>You just accept this book as complete fact

So from this information you think that Manson "was literally a racist, paedophile MKULTRA puppet used to demonise the left." is false, or at the least not proven, because the author is popular. You propose a book by a satanic pedo that says that Manson wasn't a racist, and imply that the CIA wasn't involved.

Let me explain the logic: the CIA has done [list of over 100 proven false flags] plus MLK, JFK, and 9/11. The facts of the Manson case overlap with an established pattern of behavior by the CIA, therefore Manson was himself or his actions were coordinated and facilitated by the CIA. This is true until you prove the CIA did not do it, because they are already provably guilty of hundreds of crimes that fit the same motive means and opportunity. If you disagree, at a minimum you are ignorant of their involvement in [list of over 100 proven false flags].

 No.1109931

>he still hasn't told us where Schreck and O'Neill differ

 No.1109945

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>Nikolas Schreck is an American singer-songwriter, musician, author, film-maker and Tantric Buddhist religious teacher based in Berlin, Germany.

>Now a solo artist, Schreck founded the musical magical recording and performance collective Radio Werewolf, which operated from 1984-1994, releasing seven albums. Schreck was also the lead singer of the musical duo Kingdom of Heaven whose album, XXIII, was released in April 2015. He collaborated musically with his former wife,[1] American singer and musician Zeena Schreck, as well as Australian percussionist John Murphy, NON, Death in June, and the British actor Christopher Lee, whose first album Schreck conceived and produced.


>Schreck's album The Illusionist was released by US label Records Ad Nauseam at an event held at Zebulon in Los Angeles on August 10, 2019.


>His books include The Manson File: Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman (2011); Demons of the Flesh: The Complete Guide to Left Hand Path Sex Magic (2002), co-authored with Zeena; Flowers from Hell: A Satanic Reader (2001); The Satanic Screen: An Illustrated Guide to the Devil in Cinema, (2001); and the first edition of The Manson File (1988).


>His film appearances include the 1989 documentary, Charles Manson Superstar, which he directed; Usher, the last film of Curtis Harrington; and Mortuary Academy. He teaches Tantric Buddhist meditation.


>Schreck was the founder, frontman, and sole constant member of the magical musical collective Radio Werewolf from 1984–1993, whose recordings include The Fiery Summons (1989); The Lightning and the Sun (1989); Bring Me the Head of Geraldo Rivera! A Benediction in Four Movements (1990); Songs for the End of the World (1991); Witchcraft/Boots: A Tribute to the Sinatras (1991), Love Conquers All (1992); and 2012's compilation The Vinyl Solution.


>Schreck was a prominent practitioner of black magic who co-led the magical school, The Werewolf Order, with his then-wife Zeena from 1988-1999. He worked closely in the late 1980s with Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey (Zeena's father), publicly speaking in support for the Church,[5] although he was not a member. When his wife Zeena renounced Satanism, he followed suit.[6] Schreck was a Master of the Temple of Set before resigning with several others in 2002 due to religious and administrative differences. In 2002, Schreck was one of the founding members of the Sethian Liberation Movement (formerly the Storm) which is currently located in Berlin.[7] In 2003 he converted to Tantric Buddhism.


>2014, Schreck taught a public class "Sonic Magic in Theory and Praxis: A Two-Day Workshop for Magicians and Musicians" at the NK Projekt in Berlin, Germany, which was described as "a rare two-day course in the magical art of applying ritual magic, consciousness alteration and spiritual initiation to music".


>In May 2014, Nikolas Schreck was interviewed on the Green Tea Berlin radio program broadcast by Alex Radio and 88.4 Berlin, which featured the European radio premiere of Kingdom of Heaven's song "Enemy on Both Sides", which Schreck introduced as the 'theme to a non-existent James Bond movie'.


>Schreck founded the band Radio Werewolf in 1984. His theatrical ritual performances as the group's lead singer, billed as Rallies of the Radio Werewolf Youth Party, provoked controversy, as did provocative appearances on several television programs. Tension over the contentious nature of the band's music led to the departure of co-founder Evil Wilhelm from Radio Werewolf shortly after their participation in the notorious 8-8-88 Rally in San Francisco.[11][12] Although there was hostility during the breakup, the band members later reconciled. Schreck's 1989 LP The Fiery Summons was the first Radio Werewolf album, although the previous formation recorded a still unreleased album in 1987.


>Key to the bands beliefs about themselves was the existence of what they termed the "dominant frequency" or "alpha frequency." Schreck explained the band by saying "Radio Werewolf is a sound, a vibration, a certain frequency from another world. I just transmitted it. The bodies and minds of all the people who tuned into that frequency were the mediums that broadcast came through on. I only get credit for ”creating” it because I have a big mouth, I was in the front of the stage, and I was the one the media paid the most attention to.


>Schreck's 1989 documentary, Charles Manson Superstar, told the story of Charles Manson's life as well as interviewing him in San Quentin Prison. The documentary featured parts of an originally hour and a half long interview of Manson, as well as many photographs and video footage, of the Manson Family, Spahn Ranch, and other related topics. Also discussed were Manson's alleged ties to Nazi movements (which he denied) and to various Satanic movements. Other Video Werewolf releases include The Zurich Experiment, which documented Radio Werewolf's last public concert.


>Schreck's The Manson File (1988) is a thorough study of the philosophy, music and spiritual ideas of Charles Manson. The book brings Manson's previously obscure ATWA ecology concept and his religious devotion to the Gnostic god Abraxas to public attention. Schreck posited that the demonization of Manson (and perhaps the martyrdom of Manson by other groups) is the result of media sensationalism.[14]


>In April 2011,[15] Schreck's The Manson File: Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman, a new and greatly expanded edition of over 900 pages was released in France as "Le Dossier Manson : Mythe Et Réalité D'un Chaman Hors-La-Loi". Schreck delves deeply into previously unknown aspects of Manson's life and the Tate-La Bianca murders to present evidence that the "Helter Skelter" theory put forth by prosecuting attorney Vincent Bugliosi had little if anything to do with the reality of the crimes. According to Schreck, the murders of Sharon Tate and the others actually resulted from conventional underworld rivalries between drug dealer associates Charles Watson and Jay Sebring, who Schreck contends was linked to the Mafia.


Guys this nazi pedo artist who was a friend of a friend of an nazi pedo that was in the CIA and knew Manson says that the murders were just a Mafia plot gone wrong and had nothing to do with the CIA. Isn't it funny that his band was named after the nazi SS stay behind network in Europe? So ironic and clever!

Unrelated but did you know that JFK was also just an inter mafia rivalry between disaffected Cubans and had nothing to do with CIA?

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>>1109945
This is what I mean. This guy doesn't read anything at all and just labels people instantly. Nick was not a Nazi nor a pedophile and his books are well researched. But instead you rather throw it in the trash and write it off instantly.

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>>1109989
Schreck may not be a pedophile, but he was a close associate of Aquino who was a satanic, military psy-op officer, pedophile.

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>>1109994
Right he absolutely had very strange associations and people interacted with but it's also in the context of being edgy like that was part of this music scene at that time and pissing people off. While you can take it as hateful and evil you can also take it as performative acts to create hysteria and upset people which is a lot of what those scenes were and bothering Christians.

Do i think nick hardcore wanted to kill Jews or black people or worshipped Hitler? I don't i think just liked using aesthetics for band. Could i be wrong? Yes i could be

For example

>While Schreck and the rest of the band would later refer to their work as mainly a theatrical performance designed to emulate specific aspects of history or culture, songs like "Pogo the Clown" (about serial killer John Wayne Gacy), "The Night" (about a lovesick vampire), and "Incubus" (about a girl being visited by an Incubus), were pointed to by critics as condoning necrophilia[3] and literal vampirism. Adding to the controversy of the band was a number of references to National Socialism. The biggest was the song "Triumph of the Will," named after a Nazi propaganda film. The song, written and sung from the point of view of an elderly former Nazi reminiscing about Nazi Germany, incorporating such lyrics as "Eva, oh Eva, come sit on my face; Berlin is burning and we are the master race," was intended as obvious black humor.[5] The band also had a song called "Strength through Joy," named after the Nazi slogan and recreational program. Here again, the band's musical choice to use a tinny concertina and exaggerated Oom-pah rhythm makes clear the intended parody.[6] Their cover version of the Nancy Sinatra song "These Boots Were Made for Walking" features the sound of army marching in the background, as well as Zeena singing a few lines in German. For the Maxi-singles cover, Zeena sported a similar costume as the film character Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS.[7] Schreck explains in a 2011 interview that this track was a deliberate self-parody of their own public image at the time. Schreck stated that, "Black humor, sarcasm, and irony were always essential to the Radio Werewolf experience."[8] Considering the L.A. Punk rock, Post-punk and Deathrock music scenes of the early 80s, from which Radio Werewolf arose, helps to place their use of Nazi imagery and themes in context with other bands of that time who also used such imagery.


>In the late 1980s, Radio Werewolf was heavily featured on talk shows and in media material, billed as heading a worldwide Satanic movement. Interviewed variously by investigative journalist Geraldo Rivera, Tom Metzger, Wally George, Christian pastor Bob Larson, and others, the media infamy associated with this phase of the group culminated, on August 8, 1988, with a Satanically themed rally in San Francisco at the Strand Theater held with NON. This event marked the first Radio Werewolf collaboration with Zeena Schreck, who appeared in her capacity as High Priestess of the Church of Satan.[9]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Werewolf

 No.1110010

>>1110008
>This performance, along with a Radio Werewolf interview featured on the highly rated Geraldo Rivera's Exposing Satan's Underground TV special broadcast on Halloween of 1988, was additionally controversial due to the perception of the band by some quarters of the music press as supporting Neonazi ideologies. Though this was denied by the band, Evil Wilhelm quit Radio Werewolf shortly after the 8-8-88 Rally, later stating that he felt their music was being misunderstood by Nazi groups

 No.1110017

>>1109989
Why are you making doing so much work to defend this guy instead of actually addressing the topic? You seem more concerned with defending Satanism as art then trying to refute the proven intelligence connections Manson had. It it critical to defending Satanism to vindicate Manson or could you instead just say "hes not one of us". It seems like him being an intelligence agent could actually support your case that Satanism is not about starting a race war because a beatles song told you to. That might make reader think you have other motives for defending that position especially when every post replying to you brings it up and you reply talking about something entirely different.

 No.1110027

>>1110010
Come on uygha if you're not bullshitting you should really watch the interview with Metzger I posted earlier here >>1108348
Among other things Nick openly states that the Abraxas Foundation that he founded along with Boyd Rice was a "Fascist Think Tank". Throughout the whole video what he speaks about is not just edgy bullshitting for attention but principled third position/revolutionary conservativism ideology.

Despite that, I recommend reading his books and watching his docu about Manson, which are easy to find as free downloads (don't support this narcissistic asshole).
>>1110017
Manson was definitely not CIA that whole narrative is extremely circumstantial and dubious. He was just a fucked up lumpen, a victim of society.

 No.1110035

>>1110027
>Manson was definitely not CIA
>He was just a fucked up lumpen, a victim of society.

Both can be true. He was used in the same way as Kaczynski and McVeigh.

 No.1110061

>>1110035
Ted was an MK Ultra subject but I don't think the CIA had an active role in his formation of ideology or action after having giving him the acid.
idk about McVeigh.

 No.1110075

>>1109928
no i think the cia did do it, it is 100% feasible that the mafia and cia were both involved, the cia use the mafia all the time

 No.1110085


 No.1110105

All of the high-profile domestic terrorism plots of the last decade, with four
exceptions, were actually FBI sting operations—plots conducted with the direct
involvement of law enforcement informants or agents, including plots that were
proposed or led by informants. According to multiple studies, nearly 50 percent of
the more than 500 federal counterterrorism convictions resulted from informant based cases;
almost 30 percent of those cases were sting operations in which the
informant played an active role in the underlying plot.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140721173057/http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/usterrorism0714_ForUpload_0_0_0.pdf

https://www.techdirt.com/2014/07/23/report-all-four-high-profile-domestic-terrorism-plots-last-decade-were-crafted-ground-up-fbi/
https://reason.com/2014/07/22/human-rights-watch-all-of-the-high-profi/

 No.1110135

>>1110085
wut does this even mean?

 No.1110137

>>1110135
schizo shit, or, 'the unabomber was right because porkies use technology for evil'

 No.1110150

>>1109857
this looks like schizo shit tbh

 No.1110177

>>1110135
>>1110137
its pretty clear state security collects people that fall through the cracks, monitors them and then assists them in committing acts of violence. its saying the unabomber and sirhan killing rfk were facilitated by intelligence. domestic terrorism is used to incite fear in the petit bourgeois so they support austerity measures that kill the working class and the snake eats its own ass.

 No.1110186

Yeah I'm not going down this rabbit hole, if you tell it was the CIA instructing manson to start a cult I will believe you, sounds like something they would do

 No.1110199

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>>1110105
>https://web.archive.org/web/20140721173057if_/http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/usterrorism0714_ForUpload_0_0_0.pdf#page=26
>A retarded NEET called Shahawar Matin Siraj didn't care about politics and just watched Pokemon cartoons and played video games every day
>An FBI informant pretended to have the same terminal illness as Siraj's dad and became a father figure to him
>Started showing him material about abuses against Muslims to radicalise him
>The FBI informant gave him a terrorist plan to attack a subway station, but Sinaj never agreed and said he would have to ask his mother first
>He was convicted and sentenced to 30 years in prison

 No.1110526

>>1109016
Contrarianism is life. Without contrarianism, the dialectic would halt.

 No.1110555

Charles Manson was an inceloid wannabe Chad.
His secret desire was to be like the Beatles, but he was always awkward and standoffish.
He's basically a proto-alt righter.
If he was born only three decades later.

 No.1110565

>>1107765
Yes.
He seems to be racist as he suggests that after the blacks kill the whites, he would come in and enslave then again.

He also had a run in with Dennis Wilson, drummer of the Beach Boys. He and Dennis bonded over music and Dennis borrowed a song he was making called "Cease To Exist" and redid into "Never Learn Not To Love."

Manson was furious about it and started to stalk harass him.
The Tate-Bianca murders were supposedly to get back at Terry Melcher rejecting to sign Manson.

 No.1110752

>>1110565
fake and gay conspiracy theory

 No.1110778

>>1108022
DAE Hitler was a socialist because his party was called "nagional socialist"????

 No.1111304

>>1110085
where is this video from?

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 No.1111406

>>1110027
>Manson was definitely not CIA that whole narrative is extremely circumstantial and dubious.
There was a Chapo episode where they talked about how he used to attend a clinic to see a doctor who had known ties to MKUltra and who specifically studied the effects of drugs on violent group behaviour.

 No.1111415

>Some of the New Left praised the Tate-LaBianca murders as a heroic anti-fascist rebellion against the man.
proto-ziggers

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 No.1111561

Mason transcended the left-right binary

 No.1111564

>>1111561
CHARLES MASON
WAS
NAZBOL GANG

 No.1111568

>>1111564
he unironically was


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