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 No.111210[Last 50 Posts]

A dedicated general thread that includes any visual-media by content-creators that deal with philosophy, political economy, and politics. Not strictly a containment thread, feel free to start another thread about specific videos if you feel that is necessary. For ongoing content such as live streams and smaller updates, and daily news/vlogs; please use this thread.
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 No.155140

Fellow Cuckler is going to debate Vaush today?
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 No.155151

Oooh nooo fellow cuckler! what are you doing?
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 No.155153

FT you’re gonna fail just as much as any other tankie does with Vaushs audience. The only way to get anything in the way of viewers to feed off vaush audience is by being very loud and a little trolling.
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 No.155163

This Fellow Traveler debate showcases how much Haz is needed in the tankie sphere, Haz would absolutely eat vaush for breakfast.
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 No.155166

Who could have predicted this?
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 No.155167

>>155163
I have an idea: The only way to get Haz on Vaush's stream, is under another name. He shouldn't anounce himself under the name of Infrared. This way he could sneak on his stream.
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 No.155171

Ow shit, Fellow Traveler shouted out leftypol on Vaush his stream….
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 No.155173

>>155171
Based Fellow Cuckler Traveler
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 No.155175

>>155171
I disavow.
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 No.155176

>>155171
what'd he say
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 No.155177

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 No.155178

Y'all see FT fighting vause?
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 No.155183

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 No.155184

>>155178
Clip some shit if it's interesting.
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 No.155185

>>155178
I'm watching Haz reacting to the FT vs Vaush debate
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 No.155187

>>155171
Got a shout out from daddy Waush too uWu
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 No.155194

>>155187
Cringe
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 No.155197

File: 1617683919792.jpg (92.52 KB, 670x656, a87.jpg)

>>155194
c0pE AnD S33TH3 rEd FaSH
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 No.155305

>>155187

Clip video please.
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 No.155306

>>155171
Post proof.

>>155163
Haz already had that chance and he blew it like the retard he is.
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 No.155358

>>155274
>Well sweetie I understand this more than you and you don't even know so I will not even respond
Debate culture was a mistake
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 No.155365

>>155274
From the quick skim through looks like Agent Kochinski lost as usual
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 No.155379

>>155358
Yeh I had to turn it off. Hate these debates that are just dick measuring contests.
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 No.155384

>>154937
Ahahahahhahahhahahahahahhahhhhhahahhahahhahahahhhahahhhhahahahahahahahhahhahahahahhhhhahahahhahahhahahahahhhahhahhhhhhahahha

Oh I feel a little bad he evidently has social problems

Ahahahhahhahhahahahahahhahhhhahhahahahahahahahhhhhhahahhhhahahahahhhahahahahahahahhhhahahahahahahahahhhaha
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 No.155386

>>155379
Chapos had the best response to Vaush: indirectly call him out in a conversation, call him the dumbest person you have ever seen and then completely ignore him
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 No.155411

Would it be possible to own Vaush by going on his show and trying to get him to agree with some ridiculous position? Like say McCarthyism was good because they were tankies or that the Iraq war was good because Saddam was a fascist.
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 No.155437

File: 1617704842968.jpg (35.65 KB, 700x525, b7821b0.jpg)

>>155365
Nah, Fellow Traveller lost, which was obviously 100% predictable. When Vaush used those terms "totalitarian", you gotta have to attack the term and make a critique of Hannah Arendt while simultaneously explaining that Hannah Arendt actually did not agree that the USSR was "totalitarian" (she fucking wrote an obituary for Stalin for Christ's sake). When Vaush said that all planned economies have failed, Fellow Traveller showed a fucking picture he got from Bunkerchan (!) instead of just easily pointing at the success of South Korea and Japan which were planned economies and explaining that under late capitalism, e.g. state monopoly capitalism, the market has already been sublated by central planning and then contrast it with the qualitative difference of socialism which is the ontological rupture that disentangles monopoly capital.

He failed on all those points, I feel ashamed to be a Marxist-Leninist today, and everybody who is saying that Haz is a retard/autist was put in their place just by how retarded Fellow Cuckler was, but what do you expect from somebody who does streams as he dresses up as a Red Guard with sunglasses, I'm just glad the topic of China never came up because I would have probably barfed into my food knowing that Fellow Retard is some sort it Maoist I believe.

Haz for all his weaknesses is unironically the best we got because, guess what, he actually knows how to attack Breadtube foundationally and has actually done his reading. Yes, he kinda blew it the first time with his shouting. But he would have never let Vaush to absolutely wipe the floor with him like Vaush just did to Fellow Traveller. Taking the L today.
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 No.155438

>>155437
I'm not sure about haz beeing our best in the stuff I saw from him he didnt really attack breadtube on the important points but just mystified his position with Heidegger Nick Land Dugin etc
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 No.155439

>>155437
>South Korea and Japan which were planned economies

How? Did they allocate their Ressources according to Population Demand? If yes then I am willing to admit that they were planned economies
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 No.155440

>>155437
>>155438
Unpopular Opinion, but Hakim made Vaush his Bitch in the time they interacted. Not that they really clashed in the Debate, but Vaush knew that Hakim was intellectually superior to him and he didn't dare acting like a brainrotted fat pig
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 No.155441

>>155439
planned economy doesnt imply the factors used for planning
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 No.155442

>>155440
Hakim dominated Vaush
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 No.155445

>>155441
How do you mean?
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 No.155446

>>155439
Japan, as far as I remember, even sent people to the USSR to study their model. Of course, neither South Korea or Japan had much of a socialistic character to them, and they of course still left room for market incentives, but overall their economies were centrally planned with a collusion of the state and the families that owned corporations, this sort of "in-house system" where it's very family-based is very typical for Asian capitalism.

Fellow Traveller brought up Amazon and Wal-Mart (but didn't even bring up the book The People's Republic of Wal-Mart which he probably had in mind) which is so much harder to defend as centrally planned instead of just burying Vaush with arguments he is not familiar with.
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 No.155447

>>155442
Yeah and his dumb fans saw that and actually were impressed, because he didn't sperg out or act like a Monkey. No, he just knows his stuff and knows how to respond to grifters like Vaush
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 No.155451

Anyone have the infra discord?
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 No.155452

>>155437
>Hannah Arendt wrote an obituary for Stalin
source?
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 No.155453

>>155437
>(she fucking wrote an obituary for Stalin for Christ's sake
Interesting, where's can I find that lmao
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 No.155455

>>155447
My belief is that Vaush recognized Hakim as someone who has actual clout, and then also realized that he's a doctor from Iraq which Vaush probably feared could be weaponized against him if he'd ridicule him. With Fellow Traveller he played a video game at the side.

But this actually pisses me off because Fellow Traveller sent a fucking email to Vaush and then walked into this being so unprepared. If you know that Vaush is going to disrespect you because you don't have clout, and you know you only get to dish out a few hits, you better fucking do your research and use the opportunity. If I were to debate Vaush and write him a fucking email begging him to debate me like a fucking application for a job interview, I'd sit down for a few hours drafting a battle plan to fundamentally obliterate Vaush on such an ontological level that would turn him into the Joker.
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 No.155456

>>155453
>>155452
Domenico Losurdo's Stalin book Geschichte und Kritik einer schwarzen Legende, I don't think it has been translated to English yet.

>>155451
It's literally in all their social media, why do you want people to post a Discord link, it makes the mods mad, rightfully so.
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 No.155458

File: 1617706608552.pdf (8.78 MB, 232x300, The Black Legend Stalin.pdf)

>>155456
It has Brudi.
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 No.155459

>>155442
>>155440
NAah Vaush dominated Hakim in their discussion. Hakim basically gave into every point.
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 No.155465

>>155438
True, he does that, but for example in his debate with Vaush it quickly became uncomfortable for Vaush once Haz brought up Navalny. "If Navalny says all this shit, and you just call him a civic nationalist, how do you justify calling Trump a fascist?" That was seriously wearing away a piece of Vaush and he had no answer.
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 No.155468

>>155459
>NAah Vaush dominated Hakim in their discussion

See, you need to stop making these ignorant posts brother. Hakim made 2 videos obliterating Vaush on every front, before they actually met. Like I said, they didn't clash really and it was more friendly than we hoped for. But Vaush didn't dare acting smug with Hakim and his fans had to concede to a Tankie of all people, that Hakim made some sense. Now in the long turn it will show, that Hakim won imo
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 No.155475

>>155458
Great, then that's the source:
<No less powerful or uncommon was the prestige that Stalin had enjoyed, and continued enjoying, among the great intellectuals. Harold J. Laski, a prestigious supporter of the British Labour Party, speaking in the fall of 1945 with Norberto Bobbio, had declared himself an “admirer of the Soviet Union” and its leader, describing him as someone who is “very wise."14 In that same year, Hannah Arendt wrote that the country led by Stalin distinguished itself for the “completely new and successful way of facing and solving national conflicts, of organizing different peoples on the basis of national equality”; it was a type of model, it was something “that every political and national movement should pay attention to."
Most people don't realize that many liberal intellectuals in the short period between the Cold War and the end of World War II actually did defend Stalin to a considerable degree. As Losurdo points out, the "black legend" around Stalin was crafted much later, with Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago being one of the centerpieces.

As for Arendt, her argument as to why socialist countries weren't "totalitarian" isn't flattering for us, but she said that unlike in fascism or the Hitlerite regime, you don't have the frenetical masses, rather, a population disgruntled by a kind of petulant bureaucracy but there is no "totalitarian" element to it. You can point that out in debates, and then as a cherry on top you can debunk the entire category of totalitarianism as well. The dumbest thing you could say would have been "well, the material conditions caused it", and Fellow Traveller did that.
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 No.155479

>>155459
The whole Hakim debacle has proved one of Haz's point, you can't be nice/good faith with these people. Hakim was a fucking lamb in his dealings with Vaush and for no reason whatsoever Vaush twists the knife a few weeks later, saying that he "regrets" having platformed him - only because Luna Oi! made some videos about him he somehow projected onto some tankie hivemind he probably thinks exists. Meanwhile Vaush platforms literal nazis and never regrets that.
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 No.155481

>>155475
Arrendt used the Term Totalitarianism to describe a period when politics proper, in terms of an open Discussion of how to proceed, becomes impossible. This obviously can't be extended to the entire Soviet Union, but maybe to certain Time Periods in early Soviet History(Civil War, The great Purge)
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 No.155482

>>155479
Oh he actually did that? That fucking vile snake. No mercy for these cockroaches
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 No.155483

>>155479
ossi-anon why are you concerning yourself with this? i thought you were one of the real ones
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 No.155490

>>155483
>no fun allowed
Also, I'm not an Ossi. There used to be a poster in his 40s that posted here that was but I'm not that guy.
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 No.155493

>>155490
watching and analysing Vaush debates is not fun this is something i stand by
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 No.155698

>>155437
I made it about 10 seconds into FT vs. Vaush before leaving because I felt a trainwreck coming. I actually can't believe he's still trying after bumping into Haz, which should have made his limits clear to him. He seems like a decent dude too, nothing against him personally, but if he wants to stream he needs to go back to the drawing board imo.
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 No.155713

>>155698
You should only be allowed to namedrop leftypol in a debate if you win.
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 No.155725

File: 1617720898463-0.mp4 (17.09 MB, 1920x1080, Vaush watches Tik.mp4)

File: 1617720898463-1.png (76.22 KB, 148x197, Tikumming.png)

Kochinsky Tik collab when???
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 No.155730

>>155713
That's kind of meaningless since voosh loses simply by existing
In the dictionary next to the word "loser" is a picture of voush
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 No.155736

>>155437
2nd worst poster on the board. gratz.
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 No.155738

>>155459
>NAah Vaush dominated Hakim in their discussion.
>dominate in discussion
Do you even realise how retarded you sound piggy? A discussion is not a joust. I know you get a lot of money for posting here but maybe spend less time taking piggy overtime for posting shite online and spend longer with your family and friends, cop-anon.
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 No.155739

>>155736
Who? GDR Anon? He is usually decent as fuck.
Who would be Number one though If I may ask?
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 No.155753

>>155738
You sound fucking retarded trying to cope with the fact that a ML lost to Vaush of all people.
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 No.155757

>>155437
you need to do your due diligence on the topic and, most importantly, your interlocutor when having these types of debates.
i remember watching destiny way back have a bit of an iffy discussion with nick fuentes, with nick being a slimy fuck as usual and catching destiny off guard. he then proceeded to have a week long study stream, compiling a google doc dismantling every single point fuentes had made in the debate. that's the approach people should be having imo, not whatever the fuck haz and LT have been doing where they just go in at random expecting to own and always end up in an adhom screaming match at the end (or from the beginning in haz's case).
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 No.155760

>>155753
>ML lost to Voosh. Epic Voosh Destroyed ML
>COPE COPE COPE

You're a child
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 No.155765

>>155760
>we should accept that we look bad when we lose
>NOOOO WE CANT HAVE LOST B-BECAUSE VAUSH IS ACTUALLY STUPID Y-YOU CHILD!
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 No.155768

>>155765
But where did Hakim lose you brainlet?
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 No.155770

>>155765
I spent less than a minute flicking through the stream which is how the vast majority will engage with it and vaush from this perspective clearly lost the debate
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 No.155775

>>155768
>>155770
By not making it explicitly clear that Vaush is a complete retard and allowing him to talk shit after the fact, which to Vaushites and casual viewers basically will cement that “tankies” even in good faith are not worth listening to because they are secret red fash etc.
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 No.155784

>>155775
Yeah but he didn't lose the debate. You could say he won the Battle, but lost the War, which I am inclined to agree
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 No.155787

>>155775
Casual viewers will get bored way before that point, it's a retard support group by the end of vaushes stream except for the people who enjoy laughing at the mentally disabled train wreck

I occasionally check his twitter to laugh at stupid USanos but I know that if someone gets the better of him agent Kochinski will just mute them and pretend he's winning which is boring af
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 No.155790

>>155775
>allowing him to talk shit after the fact
You litterally can't fight that,it's the one that has the biggest audience that can do that with impunity,every time. (the other one will get spammed by the other's viewers)
You can go gorrilla mode if you want,I don't see why it will make you "right",it will only convince people who already want to shit on your opponent ,and they WILL abandon you after.
He could have at least tried I guess.
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 No.155801

>>155784
>>155790
Yeah I guess I should have been more clear about that, the debate itself wasn’t horrible but just knowing how Vaush operates makes my blood boil because politely engaging with him teaches him, and his viewers nothing. I’m probably one of the minority who thinks going gorilla mode is better, strictly because it has clearly done some sort of psychological damage to Vaush with the amount of seething he has done over ML recently.
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 No.155808

>>155479
Hakim gained 15000 subs with that move, so i would not call it bad.
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 No.155810

>>155801
If you like that sort of thing you should hunt down the debate where Caleb crushed voosh, Caleb even hung up on voosh before voosh was ready the ultimate power move by the pro vs the amateur debator

Caleb lived rent free in agent kochinski's head for weeks after that one
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 No.155813

>>155810
I’m willing to admit Caleb lost man I don’t think screaming or getting mad is always the best solution, just that you have to make it clear that you can’t treat ML’s like retards without any expecting any pushback.
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 No.155826

I think we got the next Second Thought anon, check out this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIzzoM4RpGU

It seems geared for normie radicalization to me
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 No.155828

>>155813
Watch it again
If you're accused of shit like vaush was accusing Caleb of and don't up the heat people other than autistic sperg and teenagers will assume you're guilty
I'm serious voosh got btfo in that debate
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 No.155830

>>155810
>Caleb lived rent free in agent kochinski's head for weeks after that one

But it's Caleb who has been tweeting about Vaush every other day since the debate.
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 No.155836

>>155828
Ahh i thought you were being sarcastic. The way breadtube people constantly slander Caleb is honestly the biggest reason for me just wanting to see them get torn apart regardless of it it convinces anyone, even if I know that’s not necessarily the best strategy. I just can’t stand the smug way these people argue.
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 No.155837

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 No.155851

>>155826
>the Next Second Thought
>Doesn't even have 1k subs

A bit overblown ain't it? Anyway, how do you find these small channels?
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 No.155901

>>155851
I found this browsing reddit in the (vain) effort to see if some sub had posted something interesting (which ofc did not happen beside that link).

Also for the "overblown" part, maybe you're right but the production value of that channel gives it quite a bit of leeway to grow.
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 No.155904

>>155901
The kinda seem like Vox to me…at least in their narration style and how they design their video essays. Do they have some affiliation?
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 No.155905

>>155481
>politics proper, in terms of an open Discussion of how to proceed, becomes impossible.
pure liberal idealism
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 No.155910

>>155905
Arendt was a Liberal you bloke
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 No.155911

>>155905
Arendt is so stupid man.
>nazis and commies are exactly the same, actually!
>anyways I’m gonna go try to fuck Heidegger now!
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 No.155920

>>155904
They don't and the "they kinda seem like Vox" part is the thing which makes me believe they got potential. Ofc their socialism is very vague and basic but for sending normies down the pipeline it's what does the job IMHO
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 No.155986

Here /leftypol/ favorite autist explains why everyone but him is wrong
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 No.155995

>>155455
Nonsense. If you come at vaush like an intellectual he will come at you like you’re just some nerd who tries to justify shit through books and when that shit goes into practice it says it “fails”. But if you come at vaush with just rhetoric, he’ll call you stupid and a fascist propagandist, kind of what he did with Haz. Vaush will turn everything against you, the reason the Hakim thing worked was because Hakim wasn’t coming from a place of attack or one upmansip, it was literally just a discussion and that got a lot of people to take an interest in what Hakim had to say. Vaush regretted platforming Hakim because he played perfectly with vaush, he came across as nice and like he knows his shit and as a person who just wants the best for people without being a theory nerd or a rhetorician. If a person is going to argue with Vaush you either need to be just as much or even more of an asshole than vaush, and play logic games, or just be like Hakim and look for a discussion on policy which is really easy and makes radlib audience take an interest and get tankiefied. Vaush actually gave Hakim a boost and he hated that even more than any other tankie.
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 No.155996

>>155986
>I don’t like a side therefore I’m better
>everything is black and white, there’s no gray area
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 No.155999

>>155986
>anti extremism laws are imperialist
Insallah brother let's go kill our daughter for falling in love with an infidel
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 No.156009

>>155911
Hannah Arendt was a racist bitch, a terminal liberal and an idealist, but she actually did not ever say that nazis and communists are the same thing. The retarded horseshoe was invented later. Feel free to shit on her, but to be fair she at least was an actual trained philosopher, while contemporary liberal "thinkers" are complete retards, just look at creatures like Jordan Peterson, Christopher Hitchens, Stephen Pinker, etc. - you can't even take them seriously because you don't even know if they're just running a grift. Liberalism since the arrival of its neoliberal iteration is in a huge intellectual crisis if you haven't noticed, they're bankrupt. There is a reason that when a right-wing thinker challenges a liberal one, the right-winger always wins. Even the smart liberals like Jürgen Habermas (fuck that guy btw, fucking "German state philosopher") can not survive without at least a little bit of Marxism (he's literally from the Frankfurt School).

If you wanna see some real content, watch the debate between Dugin and Bernard-Henri Lévy Haz tried to react to last night:

https://youtu.be/x70z5QWC9qs

Dugin absolutely wipes the floor with this French asshole. It's shocking, Lévy is supposed to be this neoliberal titan and he absolutely melts down here, being completely out of his depth. There is something that Haz is on the money about: the arrival of multipolarity breaks their mind. But seriously, Arendt would at least have posed a challenge to Dugin, this poor tool just fucking drowns.

Liberalism, as an intellectual tendency, is not dying, it's dead.
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 No.156012

>>155995
>play logic games
This assumes Vaush is logical, he isn't. He's a shitflinger, FT did a horrible job rhetorically. I think part of it was the fact he was sipping. Let's be clear, if you do not go on there with a clear cut goal in mind, this will be your fate. What was FT's goal, you go in his comments he says to "expose him." Expose him as what? This to me seems like an ad hoc explanation and a way to safe face. At least Haz got Vaush claim Navalny as a civ nat while calling Putin a fascist. Vaush had three debates with "tankies" I've seen, Haz, LT and FT. FT had the worst showing, LT had the best and Haz had too many "gorilla games" but at least to anyone paying attention, he brought out an inconsistency in Vaush pertaining to that debate.
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 No.156014

>>156009
>trained philosopher
About as useful as a trained monkey
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 No.156016

>>156014
Edgy shit sage, but I still see at least some value in formal education. Otherwise you become an obscurantist like Haz who spent way too much time in the u/acc and #CaveTwitter rabbithole.
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 No.156017

>>156009
Completely agree with you and in regards to Levy, I think Zizek says it best. (Jump to 1:58) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqbK0D9nScY&t=103s
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 No.156019

>>156012
I didn’t say vaush was logical, but that is the name vaush plays to stick someone in a corner and keep them there. Mel was successful in the sense that she was nice but occasionally would throw the “white” card which would reveal vaush reactionary nature. You can’t go in there with facts because facts are only for people who argue in good faith vaush has zero effect on a bad faith actor.
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 No.156020

>>156017
lol, I haven't seen this. Whenever he speaks Slovenian he seems to not hide his power level anymore. But I always thought Žižek is wayyy to nice to these people, I thought probably because he made some friends in that milieu over the years. But that's pretty funny
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 No.156023

>>156020
lol, I also noticed this. There was this presentation and at the end, in the Q&A he got a question asked and Zizek goes Leninist.
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 No.156024

Has anyone seen the video MikeFromPA did on Beau from the fifth Column outing him and his past as a convicted labor trafficker, just stopping short of calling him a glowie and a snitch for getting off the hook, sentence-wise?

Beau's and even Destiny's community have joined in and they are so mad they are brigading the video, lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prkd5Xwb2LQ
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 No.156027

>>156024
I started to watch it but I couldn’t handle his annoying scolding tone.
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 No.156036

>>155986
What's wrong with the Video? I mean the only Reason to dislike BadEmpenada is that he is a genuine autist who thinks he is right most of the time. But he isn't a Lib. He even said people like Stalin and Mao should get more Credit. And at times his Autistic Humour delivers imo
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 No.156045

File: 1617735581511.png (32.95 KB, 852x320, Screenshot_2021-04-06 I DR….png)

I'm pretty sure he just just keeps trotting these posts out to get on leftypol's nerve. He's kinda right, however, just wording it in a ridiculous manner.
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 No.156050

>>155920
He honestly seems to me like he's deliberately obfuscating explicitly socialist concepts through the use of more friendly and unassuming language. Like how he used the word "owners" to describe capitalists, it sounds like the kind of thing you'd think off to be able to appeal to liberals without triggering their alarms.
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 No.156055

>>156045
excuse me but at what point is he right about anything?
his claim that the equation of nazism and communism is new and propagated by "breadtube" and never was mainstreal liberal slander is completely ridiculous
is this actually something people outside of germany believe? do you really have no idea what ideological sewage is being spewed here since the beginning of the cold war?
the guy is a ridiculous clown and should shut his mouth in topics he clearly has not the slightest clue about
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 No.156062

>>156045
>Other leftists are the enemy.

Dis nigga.
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 No.156072

>>156045
>I'm pretty sure he just just keeps trotting these posts out to get on leftypol's nerve
Ah, the classic "just pretending to be retarded".
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 No.156082

>>156045
Remember lads, this man was about to drop out of lawschool to become a full time streamer, whenever someone tries to become a proffesional entertainer while pretending to be a communist you're alarms should go off.

The only way these people have any likelyhood is by stirring up drama, promoting a following or fanbase, have clear "enemies" so your community stays engaged like it is some kinda football match. Also since he is using a capitalist platform he will have to follow their rules, and don't pull the leash to hard, slowly making him another establishment defender otherwise he will become deplatformed, losing his income.

The same happened to Vaush, he was a clear communist 2 years ago and supported revolution, now he is a democrat with a huge following and big income, defending concentration camps on the US border, dabbing on the enemies of the US state.

I have the feeling the same will happen to [email protected] / infrared
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 No.156085

>>156045
How does this post get under your guys skin so much Jesus stop being babies
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 No.156099

>>156085
People don't care about you Haz
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 No.156113

>>156045
where is this guy even from? he is a fucking retard, i don't want this dumbfuck faggot talk about european affairs and history ever again
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 No.156114

>>156099
I don’t believe you.
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 No.156118

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>>156085
t. Haz

>>156082
Does vaush declare himself a democrat now? lol. I mean I get he simps for them "As a means of strategy" but I doubt it's gotten that bad….has it?

Also defending the cages, lol. What? Fuck that's brootal, lol. What was he like early on?
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 No.156120

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 No.156159

>>156045
>the real enemy is breadtube
It isn’t, it’s capital, which is why he doesn’t understand that strikes are far more important than “bringing down breadtube”
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 No.156194

>>156159
I remember when Haz went on the Nimbo show and bragged that he is going to destroy Breadtube, while the e-thots there had no clue, what he was talking about :D
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 No.156207

>>156194
Classic pussy slayer Haz
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 No.156215

>>156207
>Eh do you have a girlfriend Haz?
<Destroy Breadtube!!!!(Proceeds to scream like a Gorilla)
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 No.156221

>>156215
>Eh do you have a girlfriend Haz?
<I WILL DEBATE HER AND DESTROY HER!!!
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 No.156224

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 No.156231

>>156224
The video is pretty good tbh
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 No.156307

>>156215
Imagine being such a goon you managed to make gorillas uncool
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 No.156317

>>156045
it’s not his problem that all you leftypol people care about is “wording”
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 No.156321

>>156224
Bruh who has time to watch this whole thing? What is the TLDW?
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 No.156322

Can someone tell me what’s with laowhy? And all those other liberal youtubers in China who are adamantly anti China? Whats all that about?
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 No.156333

>>156317
I don’t care at all about wording I care about the fact he thinks breadtube is at all important
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 No.156379

Today i learned that tik tok dengists and self proclaimed Stalinists hate on lefty pol for some reason
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 No.156387

>>156322
they are sexpats who used to live in china and make videos about living in china and now that there is a huge market for anti-china videos they are doing that
https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/status/1358708860446404613
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 No.156400

>>156379
Hahaahahaha what the hell is a TikTok dengist
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 No.156467

>>155986
This was needed. Bay area415 is getting way too popular just for mindlessly spreading literal Chinese state propaganda.
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 No.156486

File: 1617745857610.jpg (59.6 KB, 1024x544, glownigger.jpg)

>>156467
Totally
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 No.156502

Going to read the news from News Anon and chat starting at 6:30pm eastern, 22:30 UTC
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/streaming
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 No.156521

>>156486
BayArea is a Clown though. I know you think you are edgy and a brave warrior against US Imperialism, but this guy is in literally working with CGTN
>>156467
He isn't even growing that much as a channel anymore. He gained a following pretty fast end of last year and now he only makes small gains in subscriber numbers. Constantly repeating the same garbage wears out quick
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 No.156524

>>156521
I’m not really a fan but I don’t see how working with CGTN means anything.
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 No.156534

>>156387
What the fuck lmao
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 No.156544

>>156524
It means they are comfortable with him enough, so they can work with. Which means, because he midlessly repeats the offical Party Line concerning issues of Chines Interest and even purchasing Party written Books, they think he acts like someone practically paid by them
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 No.156545

>>156521
It's based, id work for cgtn openly if I could. Shill all the way, yes I'm "picking a side". What's wrong with that? You would've sided with the Soviet Union even into the Gorbachev era too.
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 No.156546

>>156544
hes obviously pro china thats not an argument
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 No.156562

>>156502
Live now
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 No.156617

>>156009
>>155455
These posts gave me a boner.
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 No.156657

>>156546
He is a lapdog that will literally defend every decision of the Chinese Government. This goes beyond simply being pro china
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 No.156660

>>156545
Doesn't give him credibility though? Working for State Media makes him pretty unflexible. But I guess it's Based for you.
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 No.156661

>>156660
Fun fact: Large parts of europe have state media and they are much better than private media.
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 No.156663

>>156657
This is why Bakunin was right and especially Kropotkin on governments and unjust hierarchies. They are all inevitably despotic and regular people have no power to change things.
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 No.156670

>>156661
His information will be always in favour of China. Now if you think in this climate we need unconditional Support for a Sucdem State, then yes you are right. But BadEmpenada tries to give a balnaced look on the Situation by shitting on the vehement China defenders and the Western Imperialists
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 No.156673

>>156670
If he is actually on their payroll maybe. It would still be based gonna have to agree there.
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 No.156825

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lmao sondsoy getting completely BTFO in the infrared stream
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 No.156830

SONDSOY FUCKING CORNERED
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 No.156833

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 No.156838

Sondsoy just got obliterated.
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 No.156839

ANGLOS SEETHING AND COPING
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 No.156841

Has Haz already talked about Beau?
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 No.156844

>>156841
Beau of fifth column? Why should he be of concern to Infrared?
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 No.156992

File: 1617792419725.mp4 (16.14 MB, 1280x720, AT-cm_1124004110.mp4)

Jesus Christ why did Haz have to cut them off when it was actually getting interesting when Sondsoy and that Chinese person were talking about human rights, only for his personal TOS drama shit? It's been two months and this one night with Dylan Burns is still something Haz can't give up upon.
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 No.157008

Haz: Genocide when context.
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 No.157014

>>157008
Yeah, go ahead be a fucking lib. What he was saying was the following, WorstEmpanada despite allegedly having a history degree also doesn't understand this (maybe he explained it badly):

Statement 1: China has vocational training centers that may coerce people to go there

Statement 2: The US used to have boarding schools for indigenous people

Agreeed upon premise: Both of those statements and the abstract concepts of having coercive education institutions do not automatically constitute genocide.

Historical context 1: The US was actually committing genocide against its indigenous population carrying out massacres, deportations, killings, family separations and so on. The Indian boarding schools were a part of this program.

Historical context 2: China does not commit genocide against the Uyghur people. There are no massacres, deportations, killings and family separations. The Uyghur language is official language in Xinjiang. Therefore, The existence of coercive vocational training centers do not constitute a part of a genocidal intent

Conclusion: It depends on the historical context.

It's really not that hard.
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 No.157030

>>157014
There was no Holocaust, because you have to consider the historical context of Nazi Germany. The nazis believed, they were doing the right thing, therefore they didn't commit genocide.

Conclusion: It depends on the historical context.

It's really not that hard.
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 No.157038

>>157014
>WorstEmpanada despite allegedly having a history degree also doesn't understand this

Isn't he /ourguy/ in some way? He is kinda weird at times, but I don't think he is that bad. He is kinda based in some ways. I mean he just straight out defended Stalin and Mao in one of his vids
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 No.157071

>>157030
The Nazis didn't seriously deny that their mission was to exterminate Communist Jews (both were conflated, so if you were a non-Jewish communist, you were a dupe of Jews and therefore must be killed) as enemies of the state. They only give themselves plausible deniability because war crimes tribunals began to say "genocide bad". In their view, genocide was entirely the point, just as Americans were perfectly aware they were clearing North America of Indians.

The Uyghur thing is so ridiculously not a genocide by any reasonable concept of the word. That it is being deployed just shows how Nazified the US has become, where defending yourself against Nazis makes you "the real Nazis". This concept has been applied ad nauseum through the US and the internet discourse, where actually defending yourself against Nazis makes you the real fascists, and this shit had actual currency among leftists (including, sadly, among Hazbots).

I wouldn't even call the way black Americans are imprisoned disproportionately as genocide, and the Uyghur thing is not as severe as that. That would be something that parallels China's actions in Xinjiang, in that it is driven more by exploiting cheap labor and eliminating a rebellious tendency. There are a lot of differences, because America is way worse in that regard and has no moral authority to cast stones.

Also lol if you think anyone is learning much at all at these vocational training centers. The CPC goals are to root out the terrorists among them, and that is only possible by gathering all the young people and potential trouble sources and sorting through them. Whatever education they're getting is going to be a really bare minimum "learn Mandarin because we want to ship you to do cheap factory work" thing. China ain't no welfare state giving free college to a bunch of filthy peasants who failed meritocracy.
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 No.157078

>>157071
>China ain't no welfare state giving free college to a bunch of filthy peasants who failed meritocracy

Obviously not, this would go against SWCC
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 No.157095

>>157071
>he Uyghur thing is so ridiculously not a genocide by any reasonable concept of the word.

What about the UN definition? BTW China played a major role in creating the Universal Declaration of Human rights
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 No.157100

>>157071
>China ain't no welfare state
<Socialism is when slavery and bootstraps
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 No.157110

File: 1617800580744.mp4 (9.09 MB, 480x360, vaush_korea.mp4)

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 No.157118

>>157038
Empanada seems to hav some kind of nationalism going on where he has correct takes on certain parts of the world but laps up bourgeois propaganda about other parts. It's weird.
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 No.157136

>>157118
It gives off that impression but honestly I really like him. Not only does he cover latin america - which is one place breadtube dosent cover because, well, latam people are generally too poor to spend their days making breadube content. And he does it really well. I saw his video on the Xinjiang question and he really did a good job I think, outright saying that theres no fisical genocide but that the possibility of chauvinistic treatment of the Uyghurs and other non-han ethnic groups in Xinjiang could be happening in a very real way. Im pretty ignorant of the way that the chinese government is set up, but from what very very little I can gather it seems to mee (and feel free to correct) that the governmental institutions of the PRC are not as inclusive or respectful of other peoples as they could be.
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 No.157143

File: 1617801719986.webm (7.41 MB, 640x360, Manifest Destiny.webm)

>>157110
someone has to do a re-edit but with Vaush
Is the original creator still here?
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 No.157149

>>157030
So you went from an argument about how we should think about vocational education in China's poorer regions straight to fucking Hitler. Go fuck yourself, watch your WorstEmpanada based autist.

>>157118
Empanada does this thing that a lot of liberals do when they think of all things being in some sort of equidistance. Like, it's absurd to think that China coercing Uyghurs to go to school, considering all the historical context and baggage and the way China defines its "nation" which is different from the Western conception because it's a multi-ethnic concept for them, is somehow comparable to the white supremacist government of the 19th century USA that enslaved millions of Africans putting Indian children in boarding schools.

Like, it's retarded and it's only controversial for liberal retards to not understand what's going on here. It's like saying "oh so Nazi Germany made kids learn Nazi ideology in school, you agree that's bad? But in the USSR they learned communist ideology in school! But in this case it's okay? So it's only bad when the other side does it?" -> BadEmpanada would of course disagree with this but it's the exact same thing he does in his video.

That is not even touching upon the fact that this Xinjiang/China issue is clearly used as a psy-op to divide the left. Who even knew about the Uyghur people before 2018? Do any of those Breadtubers like Vaush with his 4 hour "research stream" about Xinjiang and BadEmpanada that produced a fucking over an hour long video talking about a Chinese province ever talk about shit like Yemen? Do we ever get 4 hour "research streams" about Yemen? Why the fuck does every fucking "leftist" online now have to have an opinion about a vocational training program in a Chinese province or else be called "genocide denier"? If you seriously don't identify this as a psy-op you need to step back a little bit.
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 No.157152

>>157136
To add to this I dont think that whatever disagreements people would have with him are based on him having a morally dubious, un-educated, chauvinistic, or malicious understanding or things. Like say, Vaush, for example. BadEmpanada, along with Hakim and Yugopnik are by far the best parts of Breadtube, not because its easy to be better but because theyre actually good. And people that see them are gonna use them as stepping stones to go higher
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 No.157158

>>157149
>So you went from an argument about how we should think about vocational education in China's poorer regions straight to fucking Hitler. Go fuck yourself, watch your WorstEmpanada based autist.

Noo you have to see Hitler in the correct historical context. You see, he was very popular and therefore the Holocaust was actually good. Just look from the historical context, bro.
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 No.157167

>>157136
I give Empanada the benefit of the doubt and considering him good faith in this (there are other issues where he was incredibly bad faith, like when he covered the Shining Path) because he managed to make a video about this without any of this Adrian Zenz crazy shit, no CNN, BBC or whatever, and largely used Chinese sources and statements by the Chinese government.

The problem again, as I elaborated here >>157149 is the equidistance to whatever fucking America did in the past. It's just not the same, if you don't put it in a broader context. He completely misses the mark and has this weird personal crusade going on against The Grayzone people that apparently live rent-free in his head.

He promised a neutral video where he said he wouldn't defend either side. But I can't help but watching it thinking he definitely leans more towards the Western narrative. Of course, he can show mad libs calling him genocide denier because he won't go all the way and say some Adrian Zenz-tier crazy shit as some sort of credibility like "see??? Those people hate me too!" A lot of BadEmpanadas content seems to be directed towards just trying to piss everyone off.
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 No.157168

>>157149
>Empanada does this thing that a lot of liberals do when they think of all things being in some sort of equidistance. Like, it's absurd to think that China coercing Uyghurs to go to school, considering all the historical context and baggage and the way China defines its "nation" which is different from the Western conception because it's a multi-ethnic concept for them, is somehow comparable to the white supremacist government of the 19th century USA that enslaved millions of Africans putting Indian children in boarding schools.

There should be a thread explaining the basic differences in worldview and shit. Because Chinese civilziation is so fucking different than the Western one. But western leftists fail to udnerstand the real historical differences of these developments
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 No.157173

>>157143
Yeah and I already did a Vaush one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrOBUYyu4F4
This video >>157110 is good and you should spread it. IDK where the clips of Vaush saying those things are and I don't really want to sit through a bunch of his shit to be honest.
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 No.157180

>>157167
>But I can't help but watching it thinking he definitely leans more towards the Western narrative
He IS Australian. But from my understanding (I've not seen like, half of his content) he puts enough effort to self-criticize and try and break out of his biases.

>There are other issues where he was incredibly bad faith, like when he covered the Shining Path

I would not know, I saw that video and, for someone that does not understand it, seemed to be good enough. I showed it to a Peruvian I know and he told me its as good as a foreigner can make a video about it. Of course that person is not a gommie but I cant really talk on the subject
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 No.157183

>>157136
>Im pretty ignorant of the way that the chinese government is set up, but from what very very little I can gather it seems to mee (and feel free to correct) that the governmental institutions of the PRC are not as inclusive or respectful of other peoples as they could be.
There are Uyghurs in the Central Committee of the CPC. Ethnic minorities have guaranteed representation and are constitutionally projected. China build the biggest Bazaar in the world for the Uyghur people. Minority languages are constitutionally protected.

Seriously, compare that to the US or Britain for example.

Also, have any of you ever thought that maybe fucking salafism is the one that's intrusive and invasive towards Uyghur culture? A lot of Islamism in its Sunni iteration was manufactured by the US and Saudi-Arabia, there is nothing inherent in deeply religious Sunni Islam that agrees with ISIS type salafism. AFAIK beards and burkas didn't even used to be traditions in Xinjiang, they only popped up recently.
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 No.157197

>>157183
>Also, have any of you ever thought that maybe fucking salafism is the one that's intrusive and invasive towards Uyghur culture? A lot of Islamism in its Sunni iteration was manufactured by the US and Saudi-Arabia, there is nothing inherent in deeply religious Sunni Islam that agrees with ISIS type salafism. AFAIK beards and burkas didn't even used to be traditions in Xinjiang, they only popped up recently.
Yeah, I know that part that Salafi thought is very much an outside, reactionary force on the Uyghurs and they have their own culture that is not a stereotypical middle eastern muslim way
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 No.157199

>>157168
Yes, people read some Chinese laws and it says "to integrate them into the Chinese nation" they immediately think of Han supremacy, because that's what they are familiar with in their own Western states, because that's how language was used here to legitimize racism and chauvinism under the guise of nationalism. So it's all projection in a sense. I'm not saying that there is no chauvinism in China, but I'm swearing 90% of the times (including Empanada) it's Western leftists reading scary spooky words in Chinese laws and get really mad about it. "OH MY GOD THEY SOUND LIKE FASCISTS" etc.
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 No.157204

>>157199
yeah it’s literally all feels and spooky words that the US government draws from western history. just like how they call regular vocational schools and prisons “camps”.
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 No.157205

>>157199
There really is a significant barrier in communication and it helps us in no real way not to have a direct stream of information from actual Chinese communists and historians. There should be a reading group for this type of stuff
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 No.157208

>>157180
>He IS Australian. But from my understanding (I've not seen like, half of his content) he puts enough effort to self-criticize and try and break out of his biases.
If he does, he must do it in quiet because his demeanour on social media is fucking insane. Worse than Haz even.
>I would not know, I saw that video and, for someone that does not understand it, seemed to be good enough. I showed it to a Peruvian I know and he told me its as good as a foreigner can make a video about it. Of course that person is not a gommie but I cant really talk on the subject
Well, the problem with it was he stood 100% with the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" which someone on /leftypol/ found out to be vastly critiziced by actual Peruvian scholars and journalists - it's even in the Wikipedia, so not something Empanada could have overlooked when doing his research. When people confronted him with this, he fucking flipped. It was crazy, almost as if he had some personal vendetta against the Shining Path, like one of his family members were killed by them or whatever. When first someone brought up the topic in the first place to him, not in an aggressive way at all, he said that if he said something like this on a street in Peru, people would put gasoline on you and set you on fire. I mean, what the fuck.
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 No.157212

>>157208
Ive seen a couple of tweets and he seems to just fling shit around for the lols, plus he always has good dunks of vaush lol

>Well, the problem with it was he stood 100% with the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" which someone on /leftypol/ found out to be vastly critiziced by actual Peruvian scholars and journalists - it's even in the Wikipedia, so not something Empanada could have overlooked when doing his research. When people confronted him with this, he fucking flipped. It was crazy, almost as if he had some personal vendetta against the Shining Path, like one of his family members were killed by them or whatever. When first someone brought up the topic in the first place to him, not in an aggressive way at all, he said that if he said something like this on a street in Peru, people would put gasoline on you and set you on fire. I mean, what the fuck.

I really would not know. I am completely igrnoant about the Shining Path and how Peruvians understand the events, so I really am in no position to talk about it. I just know that they did some wild shit like shooting up villages when there was no real reason to and that Gonzalo was a bit full of himself. But aside from that nada. Are you Peruvian?
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 No.157220

>>157199
Why do I feel like that whenever China gets criticized this Argument gets made. "China is such a complex Nation. We can't understand how they are running Things, because we are bigoted Westerners". Like Chauvinism in China doesn't exist, because China is special or something? Also Empanada was quoting from Chinese State Media and it still isn't enough for some people.
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 No.157224

I've heard "Han" too can be like an umbrella term as broad as "American" or "European." There was that American polyglot (RIP) who would speak multiple Chinese dialectics and surprise people from Fujian by speaking in Fujianese, and it's shocking to Fujianese speakers because a lot of Chinese people apparently don't understand Fujianese. I don't know much about China, but the differences between provinces seem much greater than between states in the United States.

I've also read people who live in China on other forums who are not communists and don't necessarily like everything about the government, and they will say it's an authoritarian system. That's not a joke. There are some topics you don't talk about publicly full stop. But I've talked to people who have been to Xinjiang and they say there's nothing special going on there – it's a huge tourist destination. The idea that the government singles out Muslims is also ridiculous to them, because the party has never seemed to care what religion people have individually, and pretty much treats everyone the same. The Chinese government does care about organizations with leadership that can sway opinion or groupthink that might suddenly run to some political position. I read one comment from a Jewish guy who lives there (so the Holocaust comparisons rankle) that the modern Turkish state is more repressive than China, and foreign media is projecting its identity-based culture / history of persecution onto China.

How many of these streamers talk about Turkey and Erdogan?

I post videos sometimes of government media from China, not CGTN, and party morale-boosting music videos, and it's fun and surreal to me because it has this uplifting music that you would expect in a communist country, and I enjoy that, but it can be in-your-face in terms of the propaganda. It's very Soviet actually and features youth pioneers with trumpets and it's happening right now, so I'm completely fascinated. They're not libs over there, and I can see how the images in this would be scary to a liberal. But anything that isn't liberal to a lib is "fascist" or Orwellian, because a lib sees themselves as standing at a distance and observing a social totality from a remove.

I wouldn't totally buy all the official optimism here, but there's something to be said for the propaganda being overt like this. In the U.S., you'll hear these liberal streamers say absolutely psychotic stuff about Korea and Vietnam where they're "dabbing" on millions of corpses, people murdered by fascists, and they don't even realize what they're doing because they've been brainwashed, and they don't even know it, and to contrast the two things is interesting to me, like holding up a mirror.

Liberalism has depended on this hegemony where "human rights" and "freedom" and all these loaded ideological terms are also used to reproduce the system's superstructure, but these terms have been defined in a western way by the west, so anyone who doesn't get with the U.S. agenda is "violating human rights." But I think this is also entering into a serious crisis because the U.S. isn't as a strong as it used to be, although it is strong, and the internet has changed communication which is why we're all talking to each other about this in a critical way.

>>157205
A lot of material from China doesn't get translated too, and most of us don't speak the language.
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 No.157225

>>157220
Why do you respond to me in such a bad faith? I never said no chauvinism exists in China, and I also said that I BadEmpanada at least made a good faith video by relying on Chinese sources and and not on fucking CNN. What I said is that I think his conclusions and comparisons are wrong. I explained in detail as to why comparing things that are formally the same but are very different in content is retarded. Again, to give another example, is the state coercing you to go to elementary school the same as the state coercing you to join the Hitler Youth? It's the same shit, the state telling you what to do and to educate you about its ruling ideology. This is like some Foucault bullshit about hospitals being prisons.
>China is such a complex Nation.
It's 1/5 of all humanity, I'd say it's pretty complex.
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 No.157226

>>157225
They are a retard, pay no mind.
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 No.157227

>>157225
>It's 1/5 of all humanity, I'd say it's pretty complex.

India is also 1/5 of all humanity, yet it doesn't get special treatment.
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 No.157228

>>157225
My bad I didn't explicitly state it, but this isn't especially an Attack against you but I mean it when I say that some people argue like this.
>It's 1/5 of all humanity, I'd say it's pretty complex.
Size doesn't make a Complex Society. For Example I am willing to say that Burgerstan is a non-complex Society
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 No.157230

>>157227
>>157228
I love to isolate one fraction of a sentence from a paragraph of text and pretend I’m earnestly trying to understand the point.
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 No.157232

>>157230
It's a greentext intended as a response to something I said and pretty seperated from the Paragraph though
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 No.157243

>>157224
This is a very good post. Thank you for putting into words what I couldnt. There should be a group effort to try and contact chinese marxists that speak english/spanish/whatever and get their shit into our sphere. Chuang is suspicious, they get funding from Radio Free Asia I think, or have done so in the past. Its the only chinese marxist publication that I think is readily available to anglo-speakers and is not state media
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 No.157251

>>156992
it is his enemy for the show
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 No.157261

>>157243
>Chuang is suspicious, they get funding from Radio Free Asia I think

I think they quoted Zenz sometime Ago. I don't know about the Radio Free Asia stuff though. I believe this was someone different
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 No.157264

>>157261
Yeah, and they supported the HK protests. At best theyre ultras I think
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 No.157275

>>157243
Thanks and yeah an effort like that would be really important. But I think it comes down to the fact that the U.S.-led order is in trouble, with societies that are increasingly polarized and becoming unstable: look at the United States, right. So the U.S. and the U.K. and allies are trying to create a new unity with China as the enemy, they have to externalize their problems onto an enemy in order for these governments to rally their people around them and stay in power. And "opinion leaders" and elite figures openly talk about this, it's not a secret. And also capital wants to squeeze money out of China so investors will invest in the U.S. instead. You're not going to invest in a country where there's an ongoing GENOCIDE are you???

The Communist Party of China knows this too, of course. But I think they're going to play it smarter than the Soviets. They'll try to zig when the U.S. wants them to zag. They'll try to play it cool. They're trying to move west while the U.S. has been trying to check them from the east, which requires the U.S. to pivot to this Xinjiang stuff. It's like tai chi.
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 No.157277

>>157264
They are Left-Coms I think. I still read some stuff from them, but with a grain of salt
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 No.157278

>>157227
Why do you think that? Yes, I also think India is pretty complex and deserves special attention. Indian politics is probably something you could write libraries about.

I just focus on China more because of the whole communism thing and they challenge US hegemony, and are currently the main target of propaganda.
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 No.157282

>>157261
It was worse than just quoting Zenz. The guy who did that changed his name to pretend to be a communist while in fact being a fellow at the Kissinger Institute which Chuang tried to hide. HUGE red flag that even makes me doubt if they're even Chinese as they claim. We know nothing about them, never heard them talk.
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 No.157283

>>157224
good post
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 No.157286

>>157199
The truth is that the majority of leftists in this website are not really Marxists, or at least they claim they are but do not know what historical materialism actually means. They can't even do a simple analysis of history on China and see how things "mean" there. Their implications is that language is universal and experience is universal and so it'll be the same everywhere regardless of cultural or linguistic differences. The west has been at the top of the world for so long that western understanding and western sensibilities get imposed on all cultures and attempts to "westernize" it. This was the consequence of both capitalism and colonialism. Our western experience and western education told us that we are at the top and that we are civilized; we figured the world out and only the west is the "universal world". The idea of "civilizing the savages" is a unique phenomena that came out of the west and a phenomena most common in the west. Anything China would do from a historical and cultural or civilizational perspective would be analyzed through a western historical lens, which is to say, western experience dictates that China is doing the exact same thing that we did, except worse because the west represents proper civilization, white man's burden and all.
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 No.157287

>>157282
Yeah that's a huge red flag. What a shame. I wanted to hear what some Leftists outside of the Party establishment in China had to say
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 No.157288

>>157243
>There should be a group effort to try and contact chinese marxists that speak english/spanish/whatever and get their shit into our sphere.

There already is they are called the Qiao Colective:
https://www.qiaocollective.com/
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 No.157289

>>157282
Where did you find this information? Chuang is suspiciously well made as a website, very pretty. It reeks of money. That is damning evidence if true
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 No.157292

>>157288
Chinese Glowies from the same Calliber of Chuang(Western Glowies). The worst part. Qiao is an expat of Chinese Emigres
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 No.157293

>>157286
>Historical Materialism is when you have Billionaires in the Communist Party
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 No.157294

>>157286
LMAO 100%, completely agree
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 No.157296

>>157287
The funny thing is, Chuang isn't even banned in China, so what's up with this edgy "anonymous collective" bullshit?

>>157289
This guy caught it:
https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1364329979572535296
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 No.157297

>>157286
I mean Marxism is a Western Ideology so I don't know what we can do other analyze China from a Western Perspective
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 No.157299

>>157296
I mean they had interviews with Chinese People and even Academics. So can we really be sure about them not living in China (and being Chinese)
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 No.157301

>>157297
>implying science requires excess western cultural baggage
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 No.157302

>>157299
>>157296
Im sorry but that is too much. Shame because I think I learned stuff from China reading it, even if I completely disagreed with their shti on HK and whatever
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 No.157303

>>157292
I honestly think Qiao aren't glowies simply because the way they write just resembles the average Twitter or r/communism teenage tankie who reads Sakai way to much. If Chinese intelligence is aware of this, I believe they do it for free.

Also, it doesn't seem strange to me when you are a Chinese person, and you're vaguely leftist, and you arrive somewhere in America for example, you are being so shocked at the vitrol and lies average people believe about China so you are pushed towards a far more CPC-friendly position, become more patriotic, and start defending your country in a way that you wouldn't have if you didn't leave China.

I had the same experience when I went to America and I caught myself unironically defending the German government sudden when some idiot burger called Germany "being full of Nazis" and that "we have our troops there in case y'all do something stupid again" - Americans UNIRONICALLY think that this doesn't offend people and then get offended if you don't chime in with the choir. Americans have a talent to turn everybody tribal just by how often abrasive they come other combined with a lack of education, the worst mix.
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 No.157305

>>157303
Yanks are the worst, not only are they the most ignorant, abrasive, shit eating, obnoxious, pompus and arrogant culture, theyre fucking proud of it too
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 No.157307

>>157303
Yeah probably. But I wouldn't take them serious anyway since I always can go on Reddit for this type of Content. I have seen a Lifestream by them once and they are predominantly young Communists. And of course Burgers be Burgers. I somehow find the ones praising Germany even more offensive. Like… we Krauts know what a piece of shit government we have and then hear this type of shit?
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 No.157311

>>157307
American conservatives who think America has troops in Germany because of Nazism and not because of imperialism and American liberals who think "based Merkel is the leader of the free world now that we have Trump lol Putin has a pee tape xD" are both worse, I can't decide who to hate more. Also, American Wehraboos, although they exist in both political camps.
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 No.157313

>>157311
Yank wehraboos existing in yank gommie groups<
what
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 No.157317

>>157303
>Ryou arrive somewhere in America for example, you are being so shocked at the vitrol and lies average people believe about China so you are pushed towards a far more CPC-friendly position, become more patriotic, and start defending your country in a way that you wouldn't have if you didn't leave China.

The thing is: As a patriotic chinese, why don't you just move back to China? It is the most cucked thing to do, to stay in a country, which you actually despise.
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 No.157321

>>157296
Holy shit I think they made an Interview with a Guy called Lao Xie who described the Chinese Political Landscape in his interview. I searched for him and couldn't find him anywhere to exist. He also seams to copy Cheng Enfu(Cockshott made a video about him) who works for the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, in his conclusions. Is this Lao Xie another Fake Persona?
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 No.157325

>>157317
Jobs? Maybe to just have a change of enviroment? I would move to another country rn If i had the means and know how
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 No.157328

>>157325
>>157317
Not to mention that the Chinese government actually encourages Chinese students to go study abroad since Deng, and bring that knowledge back to China.

>>157321
I feel like there are gonna be other scoops in regards to Chuang. Someone should dedicate some investigative research to this. Back a year ago people called me crazy because I found them slightly suspicious. I guess people can be swayed with a stylish website and flowery language resembling Endnotes/aufheben. Comes over as edgy and cool.
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 No.157330

>>157149
>Like, it's retarded and it's only controversial for liberal retards to not understand what's going on here. It's like saying "oh so Nazi Germany made kids learn Nazi ideology in school, you agree that's bad? But in the USSR they learned communist ideology in school! But in this case it's okay? So it's only bad when the other side does it?" -> BadEmpanada would of course disagree with this but it's the exact same thing he does in his video.

The thing is, what do they think a public school is? Liberals are so blind to their own ideology that has been stamped into them from day one at school that they literally consider their values to be "universal" and "non-political" common sense. They consider "freedom", "Morality", "progeressivism". "universalism" and "human rights" to be beyond ideology. All while it is actually just white supremacy but now Universal, their values and norms dominating the entire globe without any ideological opposition, that is what their Universalism is.

Whenever you push back on a liberal on the fact that when they are saying that:
>Uyghers must have the ""freedom"" and "self-determination" to choose whether they go to school that "enforces Han culture"
that exact moment the liberal is enforcing and projecting their own ideological system upon Uyghers.

You know what woudl be an even better example of exposing this hypocrisy:
Ask a liberal whether the Puerto Rican population that goes voluntary to public school to get an education is being culturally genocided.
Or Africans/middle eastern refugees and immigrants that are fleeing from poverty and war caused by the first world. These refugees are now in the West and getting a basic education are they being genocided?

Probably no, they just get a "basic education" by their own choice that is neutral and non-ideological. So afterwards they will be able to make independent choices in life.
Eventhough the only way to climb up and get a good job is to go to school. Where Western language is enforced as the public language, Western values are thaught from day one and if they don't integrate, they won't get a job, live in poverty, they are already profiled by law enforcement making it even more likely to get arrested or even shot, all coincidently making them the major prison population and living in poverty in the first world.

But hey destroying their home countries, bombing their cultural herritage and history, directly and indirectly killing the population, forcing them to flee to the first world where they have to agree to the values of the "civilised world" and integrate, this is not genocide ofcourse. It is only genocide when China does the last 2 things
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 No.157331

>>157328
yeah, it took me reading a couple of their massive fucking essays to figure out how bad they smelled. That and finding out that they supposedly recieved money from Radio Free Asia and now having that anon show us how they had an actual fellow of an actual rightoid
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 No.157347

>>157297

Not that poster, but its not specifically about being “western” imo, as if “western” is a damning connection that you can demonstrably attach to something and so dispense with it. It’s a claim about how specifically delusional THIS expression of western history/culture is. I don’t personally think any culture’s values are valuable simply because of their authenticity or difference, which is to say I wouldn’t endorse something simply for being “anti-western”. I wouldn’t look approvingly on what I see as savage cultural norms simply because they are rooted in a regional history.

But at the same time, I don’t understand myself as being able to just change the accumulated historical conditions of some area. More importantly, I don’t think of “values” in the common sense as truly animating the actions of other social objects like big institutions. I don’t think the US state for instance is animated by an interest to “reduce savagery”. I am not the US state, the US news media or any of its appendages. I have been conditioned by my experience, by my whole upbringing and condition of life, to think certain things are normal or abnormal. But I as an individual western liberal subject am not the same as all the institutions that make up western liberal society. It is relatively common for people to think that those things are in some way theirs, or share a common interest in the things they value. They are willing to see them as agents of their desires in the world, and so if the media tells you North Korea is a despotic shithole and the US state says it cares about the people of North Korea and wants to help them play Fortnite one day, then people will entrust their desires to see these things they think are pleasant or preferable to these institutions.

In a very serious sense, many Americans have a near god complex they experience through their institutions, because they perceive America as such a powerful and wealthy nation that it almost has a wall around it that the citizens peer over into foreign shitholes, and they think America can reach out over its walls and use its titanic powers to correct their mistakes. Alternatively, some Americans experience an inverse delusion that this as an opportunity for isolation, saying “fuck those foreign shitholes, we should just enjoy ourselves and what we have autonomously built!”. This common god complex via institutions and sense of autonomous success through superior values is basically the issue. Both are delusions. The institutions have very different interests from individual Americans, and unbeknownst to many of them (though they may believe they’re somehow critically minded and savvy) they manipulate their values to create desired outcomes. Furthermore they are not as powerful as they project themselves to be, though they are indeed very powerful, and America isn’t autonomously prosperous. The institutions manage America’s “prosperity” by their actions in the world, they can’t draw themselves out of it or America would rapidly begin to sink in stature. Many Americans on some level truly think the US has some baseline state of just hanging out on the continent, managing its own affairs, only to occasionally feel compelled by savagery, irrationality and atrocity in the world to jump forward like during 9/11, or WW2, or with Syria, or Libya, or Ukraine, or whatever. Even many leftists clearly maintain kernels of this delusion, despite claiming to know all the atrocities the US has committed in the last century. They think in some sense the US chooses to defend certain values in the world that they hold dear, because it has to to keep the world from descending into a state of savagery. The world may truly have savagery in it, but the US is part of the world, and it’s one of the savages.
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 No.157354

>>157173
Yeah I just threw that together in 5 minutes. I might make a more memey one about Korea but that will require me to listen to Vaush.
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 No.157366

>>157347
This is a really good post
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 No.157380

File: 1617812390051.jpg (875.47 KB, 3072x2048, streamstuff.jpg)

Hey all, i'm the catgirl drawanon that was active on here earlier last year.

I thought some of you might be interested that I have a Twitch and Pictaro where I stream myself drawing ever Wednesday.

Here are the links if you're interested:
picarto.tv/HardKoba
twitch.tv/hardkoba
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 No.157393

>>157380
Are you taking the opportunity to drop redpills on stream, Koba?
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 No.157397

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 No.157403

>>157380
Added your twitch to our streaming cytube so people can watch you when you go live.
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/streaming
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 No.157407

>>157403
Also BASED
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 No.157409

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 No.157414

>>157403
>>157380
Looks like you're live now, although maybe it's just a test stream.
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 No.157426

File: 1617813830122.png (10.35 KB, 230x109, Screenshot from 2021-04-07….png)

>>157380
Are you really from Burkina Faso?
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 No.157444

>>157330
Basically this. West Europe was not always like this and for the longest time held a more collective idea of the social whole. This idea of the liberal sovereign didn't start till the 16th century with the enlightenment and was codified with John locke in the 17th century. And that was when colonialism was taking off, as well as merchant capitalism. The liberal ideology from the beginning was an ideology that seeked to conquer all peoples as the universal law of all mankind. It's a highly contradictory ideology that doesn't gel with social society. The same contradictions of Capitalism are ingrained in the liberal philosophy that follows it. The liberals of the 18th century would virtue signal the Roman Republic and Roman Empire, but even though there was a sovereign citizen, that citizen had a duty and responsibility to the rest of the social order, whether it be to the family or serving in the military, Romans were collectivist.
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 No.157473

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 No.157475

>>157444

Yes! The liberal order is historically contradictory because it was both theorizing its own basis and witnessing it unfold. Like, Locke was theorizing the propertarian liberal order that pivoted around contracts and property rights, but England was not strictly a property based society in his time. Property existed and there was a context that Locke was drawing his political philosophy out of, but he was extending it to rationalize what the new world would look like after the end of absolute sovereignty of the monarch. These were technically two different things, there was the real England with glimpses of the future, and there was Locke’s and other liberals theorizing of the principles of the future and what they suggested. These two concepts, the REAL and historically developing liberal order vs. liberal idealism, created contradictions between each other. You had the blatant contradiction of slavery, but also the contradiction between the continuing institutions of household jurisdiction vs a system based in property and contracts. There were still existing, widespread pre-modern legal and social concepts of society being made up of social hierarchies everywhere you looked, and each one was a kind of jurisdiction afforded by the one above it. Wage laborers were simultaneously leasing the property they held in their labor services, and they were coming under the jurisdiction of their masters, according to pre-modern traditional law. For centuries in England when you entered a covenant of service (which would just be conceived of as hiring someone today) there were dual obligations and rights by both parties dictated by this notion of dependence. Your master owed you anything from actual housing within their property to healthcare or continued wages when sick, while the laborer or servant owed the master their loyalty and obedience during the term of the contract. You could be thrown in jail for not obeying your master, obviously at the discretion of the relevant court, and a master could be held liable for your payment and any other obligations during the term of your service even if you were unable to work due to some disaster. This traditional order of dependence clashed with the modern liberal property order and concepts of liberty rooted in it, which ultimately found themselves fulfilled not all that long ago. The US in some ways achieved it more quickly than England, but obviously lagged in others (slavery).
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 No.157477

>effortposting in the Internet general
Some of these posts are quite decent, and perhaps they should be archived.

Regarding the translation group for the moon runes, that seems to be a great idea. Should there be a thread on >>>/hobby/ or >>>/edu/ if there is not already available to use?

>just imagine if this place ends up one of those online scanlator outfits
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 No.157556

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 No.157617

>>157403
Hardkoba is live drawing.
The stream is hosted on cytube here
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/streaming
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 No.157618

>>155739
>Who would be Number one though If I may ask?
You
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 No.157929

File: 1617834700144.png (34.98 KB, 612x272, Screenshot from 2021-04-08….png)

Who or what is this "leftbook" he keeps referring to?
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 No.157931

>>157929
It's dead. It only exists in Maupin's head now.
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 No.157956

>>157929
Vaush. It's just Vaush and te fat slime kid. embarassing how two autistic liberals cause so much butt hurt.
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 No.158011

Hry guys I am hosting a gaming stream centered around leftypol on twitch! I will be streaming every chance I get, come join us.

https://www.twitch.tv/bashchroot
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 No.158028

>>157956
There is a whole ecosystem of these breadtube types
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 No.158030

>>158011
Is this a trap of some kind?
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 No.158041

>>158011
when will you debate haz?
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 No.158101

>>158011
Super metroid is cool.

>>158030
NTA but I don't think so. It's just twitch lol.

>>158041
Fuck debating Haz. Not everything is a debate.
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 No.158120

Before a bunch of people chimp out because infrared is live, just pile into the streaming cytube
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/streaming

But know that you could instead watch a /leftypol/er streaming here
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/chrootStream
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 No.158296

>>157426
Absolutely
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 No.158309

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 No.158325

File: 1617852412493.jpg (302.55 KB, 690x607, deng beetle.jpg)

>>158309
>bad capitalism vs good capitalism
oh god oh god
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 No.158341

>>158101
If you want leftypol to care about your stream, maybe you should debate Haz since they are so obsessed
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 No.158346

Haz is talking about how baldness = weakness and he says, "I'm saying this as a man who's thinning." lmao what a sad take
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 No.158347

>>158341
>If you want leftypol to care about your stream

At least stream something remotely political. I'm not going to watch some guy playing super mario.
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 No.158350

>>158346
>crypto-reactionary is obsessed with aesthetics

really makes you think etc etc
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 No.158355

>>158120
But Haz is also on leftypol
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 No.158356

File: 1617853197475.jpeg (188.15 KB, 1024x854, dd7f0b29308f84d09e429ad04….jpeg)

>>158346
Cringe. Doesn't he know, that baldness = extreme testosterone?
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 No.158398

>>158347
This is a stupid take. Not everything has to be political and burn out happens. Having non political group arrangements is important for trust building and building bonds with your social groups. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.

That's why we have several boards that are not political by their nature.
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 No.158411

>>158398
>That's why we have several boards that are not political by their nature.
I've NEVER used the other boards. But I think in this regard, we just might have different views. I'm not here to build trust or bonds. I want to discuss and shitpost. And when I'm done, I want to disappear. Just like now! *snip*
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 No.158437

>>158398
??? anon, did nobody every tell you everything is political?!
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 No.158494

>>158398
Tell me why I should watch your stream if you just play video games like every other moron on that website. So far, Infrared is the only ML streamer on Twitch, all the other Beardtube guys only stream on YouTube.
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 No.158498

>>158356
you can be low T and balding which gives you an unattractive baby face lmao
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 No.158499

>>158437
Is you taking a dump in the bog political?
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 No.158508

>>158499
Ask Žižek about it
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 No.158515

>>158508
Very clever son, but I didn't ask about its shape, I asked if it's political when you take a dump
Well?
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 No.158548

Hahaha weren’t hazbots saying the GameStop thing was important? Hahaha a revolution some called it. Where is your stonks now?
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 No.158549

my nigga that's crazy but i don't remember asking
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 No.158555

>>158548
No idea that haz was on that trip, but still HODLing was funny seeing trades clear for a few grand at least just as they shut things down and broke all the supposed rules of so called private property to stop an infinite squeeze making one funny line go up forever as all the other funny lines go down

HODLing for the rest of my life as a memento of how fragile and weak capital really is underneath it all
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 No.158697

File: 1617876183080.mp4 (5.7 MB, 1280x720, DOES LEGO CITY RECOGNIZE I….mp4)

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 No.158703

>>158548
Evidently they are quite retarded

>>158555
they will soon issue new stonks which will crash the value of existing stonks
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 No.158712

I was thinking over the past few days. What if someone tried to debate Vaush and attack him from the libleft position? I don't know if I'd have the moxie to actually do it myself, but I was thinking about trying to debate him via larping as a Bookchinite federalist pro-direct-democracy pro-planning anarcho-communist, and thus try to attack his core shit takes about muh coops, muh markitz and muh burger democracy
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 No.158737

>>158736
It has literally been posted direct under his post. How could you miss it?
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 No.158758

File: 1617880800622-0.jpg (232.57 KB, 1500x1000, 1617835860588.jpg)

File: 1617880800622-1.png (12.37 KB, 128x128, CONSOOM.png)

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 No.158763

>>158758
I fucking hate Bingin with Babish
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 No.158769

>>158703
>strikes don’t real
>real communists trade stocks and do boycotts
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 No.158770

File: 1617881430872.jpeg (9.74 KB, 154x327, roachjak.jpeg)

>>158763
>what if we overcomplicated food and wasted shitton so that I can get youtube subs
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 No.158771

>>158769
strikes are still not direct action
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 No.158772

>>158770
Are you taking the piss out of me or babish?
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 No.158775

>>158771
Kek you have all been utterly humiliated in this regard. It is hilarious you would even keep trying.

Daily reminder, communist parties, trade unionists, anarchists, social democrats, in every part of the world agree, strikes are direct action
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 No.158778

>>158775
> Daily reminder, communist parties, trade unionists, anarchists, social democrats, in every part of the world agree, strikes are direct action
<source: mentally ill Britt on an imageboard
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 No.158779

>>158775
See, you don't get it but it doesn't matter what International Socialist Movements says on this, because a weird Internet Streamer with 1000 subs actually trumps all of them
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 No.158780

>>158775
>>158778
Myth of consensual Direct Action
<Anarchist
>I consent
<Communist
>I consent
<Haz
>I don't
Is there someone you forgot to ask?
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 No.158789

>>158778
Kek these have all been posted so many times and you know but yet you persist.

Communist party:

https://www.cpusa.org/faq/what-has-the-communist-party-accomplished/

“ Communists were among those who developed militant direct action tactics – such as the sit-down strikes that helped win unionization of the auto industry. ”


Shall I go ahead and post the other stuff as well that everyone has already seen?

Why do you boycott boys persist?
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 No.158793

>>158789
>cpusa: what-has-the-communist-party-accomplished
nothing
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 No.158794

>>158779
>>158780
Kek, an anti communist who has never had a job no less.

One weird trick to silence the hazbot:

>MAS Party Bolivia
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 No.158800

>>158793
>unionisation of the auto industry

Is nothing in comparison to

>shouting at milk fetishists online


Honestly what is wrong with you people? Did you consume a diet of nothing but lead as a child?
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 No.158804

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 No.158806

>>158800
I don't care about this discussion. I am just saying I don't need to click that link to know what the CPUSA ever did. Which is precisely nothing.
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 No.158820

>>158806
I know because I’ve told you, they organised the auto industry, in fact many of the best labour organisers in American history have come from the CPUSA. The point of the link wasn’t to big up the CPUSA though, but rather to show that communist party literature directly calls strikes direct action. Regardless of what they have done, it is far more than Haz has ever done or will do. Strikes are, definitely direct action. It isn’t even a debate, there is no question.
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 No.158833

Do you guys think that Hakim posts here or has at one point browsed /leftypol/? It obviously seems that way for me sometimes
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 No.158865

>>158820
Why anyone would care is beyond me. Just do the thing. The CPUSA is worthless trash and that being the case it doesn't matter what they say. Not that hard to get.
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 No.158888

>>157380
Could you repost this before your streams? There's no way I'll remember to watch it.
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 No.159371

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 No.159794

File: 1617918137141.jpg (61.45 KB, 500x430, 1617848786011.jpg)

INFRACEL IS LIVE
https://www.twitch.tv/infraredshow
INFRACEL IS LIVE
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 No.159851

lol someone spent 1k bots to follow Infrared
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 No.159859

>>159851
Damn, I must admit, his fans are really dedicated.
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 No.159895

>>159371
No advertisements of ultras please.
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 No.159902

File: 1617921383168.jpeg (1.89 MB, 1691x1742, EuZ8UEYWYAIIILj.jpeg)

>>159895
Send Koba a commision to draw Haz (or anyone else you would like).
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 No.159926

Today's /leftypol/ news starts in about 10 minutes
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/streaming
Infrared is on in the meantime.
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 No.159949

The Unruhe is back
>Correcting the Fellow Traveler on the topic of Third Worldism
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 No.160072

>>159926
We're live.
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 No.160075

>>158833
Nope, I don't think so. Hakim is a busy doctor from the third world and book worm and it would surprise me if he spend any time in this time sink that is mostly populated by first world leftists.
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 No.160086

>>160075
>Hakim is a busy doctor from the third world and book worm

Yet he creates videos exclusively for a western audience just for the lulz
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 No.160093

>>160086
Making Youtube videos once a week or every two weeks is less time consuming than streaming or shitposting on imageboards
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 No.160095

>>160093
Are you a content creator on Youtube? It takes a lot of effort, to create a good video.
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 No.160097

>>160095
It's fucking nothing compared to streaming multiple hours a day. Youtubers are the labor aristocracy of content creation.
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 No.160099

>>160097
Fuck off Haz, streaming is not praxis, it's not labor and you're a fag.
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 No.160101

>>160086
Now that you put it like that he does sound like one of us, hey Hakim put a sandal on your head in a stream
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 No.160104

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 No.160109

>>160104

RIP Stick Era 2021-2021
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 No.160137

>>158833
Probably not, because a capitalist nationalist doctor pretending he's poor and oppressed ( but conveniently supports Iraq over Iran, hmmmmmmm wonder why) probably earning more than at least 50% of first worlders living a comfortable upper middle class life but pontificates like he's a third worlder covered in dust working in a sweat shop. Hakim's moral outrage against " the west" is fucking useless, the guy could rock up in London or California and afford anything he wanted and then screech at the working class people there through mouthfuls of caviar that they're stupid first wordlists.
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 No.160294

>>160104
ok somebody go comment that their mom walked in and said the stuff about heidegger is because of a complex
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 No.160336

File: 1617939012600.jpg (55.87 KB, 522x453, 7146U6WcMoL._AC_SX522_.jpg)

>>158346
>Haz is talking about how baldness = weakness and he says, "I'm saying this as a man who's thinning." lmao what a sad take
Whew, oh Haz…
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 No.160348

lol looks like haz is gonna collab with a vtuber
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 No.160448

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qHLXbVDnkc

>LEANING ON SOMEONES NECK FOR 9 MINS CHALLENGE : RECREATING GEORGE FLOYD DEATH GONE SEXUAL?????!!!!????


>The video

>Leaning their knee on his collarbone instead of his neck.
>"Why aren't you leaning on his neck?"
>"Well that could like…Really hurt him…."
uhhhhhhhhhh????????????????????
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 No.160590

>>160137
He is a Sakaiist sure, but what is that Comment? Hakim was one of the OG Online MLs. He is such a valuable asset in making people loose their spooks about Communism. What a cynic Post. Hakim even shills Cockshott now, but you calling him a Capitalist? This Board sometimes
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 No.160607

>>160104
aww, he got so embarrassed by getting called out by someone's mom and immediately threw away the stick, cute tbh
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 No.160722

File: 1617968523472.png (13.26 KB, 852x234, Screenshot_2021-04-09 Worl….png)

damn
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 No.160723

https://tv.leftypol.org/r/now
Prince Phillip Is dead, come join
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 No.160728

File: 1617968738601.gif (986.44 KB, 500x281, sony-2.gif)

>>160723
>Prince Phillip Is dead
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 No.160749

>>160728
Ahem, thats Sir Prince Phillip, Knight of Australia!
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 No.161189

One of our guys is streaming and advertising the site
https://www.twitch.tv/bashchroot
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 No.161205

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, NOT MUH GRANDADDY'S MUSIC STORE NOOOOOOOOOOO

https://twitter.com/OliverJia1014/status/1380418938320785410
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 No.161214

>>161205
>be lucky you live in the west
>be lucky your Country exploits other Countries and rips them of their wealth

Luck? Certainly in a twisted way, but this guy seems like the standard gusano on twitter
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 No.161215

>>161205
>NOOOOOO, COMMIES BANNED PRIVATE PROPERTY

Eh, yes?
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 No.161227

File: 1617993294033.jpeg (32.38 KB, 1280x853, EW_T-ShVAAAHeQY.jpeg)

https://tv.leftypol.org/r/chrootStream

Come chill with us and play vidya fuckers.
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 No.161538

File: 1618004657565.png (112.27 KB, 552x414, 5fa88639566f38c4a8cc9a97fe….png)

>joined https://cytu.be/
>joined Star Trek channel
>8 ppl in
>asked them: Why do you like Star Trek and why wouldn't you like to work forward such a society?
>get ambiguous answers
<BRO, I JUST WANT TO ENJOY STAR TREK
<ask them again: would you like to work towards a post-money, post-class, (etc.) society, y/n?
<get banned
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 No.161544

>>161538
Lmao, what a bunch.of loosers. Start a startrek themed channel here
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 No.161545

Going to stream the news at 6:30 EDT or 22:30 UTC today
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/streaming
Will probably spend a lot of time on the Amazon vote.
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 No.161550

>>158346
>>158356
>>158498
I'm not going to claim that I have "LE SCIENCE" on my side, but I did in fact come from a Catholic only-male Highschool, and my impression was the following, regarding "baldness":
>either you are low-testosterone, meaning you start to go bald soon, can't develop a beard/mustache, and develop a round cutesy face
or
>you are super high-testosterone, you start becoming bald at age 16-20, and have big ass beard already, and typically square jaw and shit

So yes, from my personal experience male pattern baldness has this two typical forms of occurrence. No, I'm not even going to search for "muh objective" researches to "back it up."

As for Haz's take on it: either post a webm here which proves that he thinks that "baldness objectively" proves you are a "cuck" or stfu. If Haz did in fact say that "baldness is TYPICALLY considered to be" [x,y,z] while saying that he's going bald, then what is the fucking question here?

Sure, it might be wrong, in terms of biology, but he might be right, in terms of 'how it is recieved'…

t. high-T bald
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 No.161556

>>161550
cope more insecure hairlet
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 No.161564

File: 1618005890598.jpg (15.42 KB, 297x445, 41lyzfrGstL._SX342_SY445_Q….jpg)

>>161556
Lol. Okay, dude, let me bring this down to your level.

I started getting bald at age 16-17 as a male. It literally didn't make me "insecure" about "muh self-worth." I fugged with 20-30 bitches between that age and my current one. I can assure you that "Muh baldness" literally means nothing.

On the other hand, my friend, I've randomly (meaning I didn't actually, directly search for it) found narratives about how "le baldness" is a (prepare your anus:) "traumatic experience" and I was KEKKING out loud.

In no way am I insecure about my baldness, dude. In fact, as a bald fag, I laugh at narratives that try to portray "baldness" as a type of PTSD or so on.
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 No.161609

I'm so drunk right now, at leastr this is how I forgezzt that my dad has covid ri ght now
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 No.161613

>>161545
5 minutes until the news stream
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/streaming
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 No.161647

Hey bois and girlz is the Haz master going to stream today?
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 No.161778

>>161609
i hoep he diez

loel
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 No.161781

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 No.161818

File: 1618018395170.jpg (165.9 KB, 1080x1080, 784758347698.jpg)

What does leftypol think of him?
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 No.161820

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 No.161827

>>161818
Vaush if he was a chad.
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 No.161831

>>161818
Very good guy personality wise but his politics are very idealistic. He's essentially a reformist socialist and that informs his approach. His superstition of the state makes him feel personally responsible not only for himself but to his audience to take part in electoral actions even though deep down he knows it's bullshit. He's self admittedly politically cucked.
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 No.161837

>>161818
needs to read
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 No.161850

File: 1618019589944-0.png (2.17 MB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1618019589944-1.png (232.02 KB, 397x397, accelerationism.png)

Where did Infrared find this cool symbol? I had a look around for it and even tried reverse image searching and got nothing.
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 No.161853

>>161818
i like him because people don't tend to talk about him, he's still an idiot but cool about it
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 No.161860

>>161850
isn't it just the symbol for chaos with britain on it?
looks shit
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 No.161867

>>161831
>though deep down he knows it's bullshit.
I feel like you're just assuming that
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 No.161871

>>161867
Hes pretty open about this shit and he talks about it all the time.
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 No.161875

>>161871
I know, but he's pretty good acquaintances with AOC and the Justice Dems, so I don't think he's anti-electoralism
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 No.161878

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 No.161896

>>161878
I want to know the source of the exact one posted because it gives me "British zine full of weird art" vibes. I know about the chaos symbol.
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 No.161917

>>161850
try yandex
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 No.161939

>>161917
Nah no luck, was one of the first places I tried but had a deeper look. Was hoping someone involved in making the thumbnail was posting.
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 No.162172

File: 1618039551054.jpeg (51.58 KB, 400x400, ZN5hbych_400x400.jpeg)

>>161850
I think he got it from here https://twitter.com/UrbanMaoism
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 No.162176

>>162172
Thank you mysterious knower
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 No.162966

File: 1618086011513.jpg (90.22 KB, 1200x675, Ens8eyMWMAEh7wc.jpg)

What do you guys think of Richard Medhurst?
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 No.162982

>>162966
Literally just seen him interview some fag that got asked some qustions by police. He seems like a sensationalist. Would be more at home in print tabloid media, tbh.
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 No.163018

Does anyone else hate sh0e? Like it's easy to notice how behind her cutesy mask she's just another vaush
especially on twitter
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 No.163027

>>163018
she is really retarded
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 No.163028

>>163018
her face is weird.
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 No.163030

>>162966
Controlled cia psyop.
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 No.163068

>>161878
my god these people are cringe
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 No.163073

>>163018
I do want to fuck her tho. Have you seen her nudes?
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 No.163075

>>160104
PAHAAHAHAH. HOLY FUCKING CRINGE
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 No.163078

>>163073
Have YOU seen her without makeup?
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 No.163084

>>163073
>>163078
like she's kinda cute but it's shameful how she manages to have a fetish for obese lards who have terrible takes
First the Armored Skeptic now Voosh
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 No.163094

>>161818
The chicks dig it
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 No.163102

>>163084
Skeptic might have had some terrible takes but he wasn't obese right?
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 No.163139

>>163102
Not obese, but he was a neckbeard and had a pot belly.

It's weird how shoe constantly fall for these types, is it some kind of humiliation fetish? Surely she could do a lot better.
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 No.163308

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 No.163313

>>162966
Phantasmed, occasionally does good reporting.
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 No.163315

File: 1618104320536.jpg (118.78 KB, 1280x720, 1618072757750.jpg)

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 No.163482

>>155479
>Luna Oi
Speaking of,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMubOw5H-yo

I'd be interested to hear opinions on her take on Vietnam being socialist. On the one hand she makes what seem like superficially reasonable points, but then she talks some junk about how ViEtNaMeSe WeRe AlWaYs SoCiAlIsT, and in spite of Vietnam's glorious socialist society I guess they still haven't eradicated racism since she seems fixated on the "White Leftist" bogeyman.
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 No.163488

>>163482
Baizuo are a real phenomenon comrade
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 No.163491

>>163482
>white leftist bogeyman
What's racist about that? Vaush literally "dabs" on millions of dead in Vietnam and Korea.
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 No.163492

Apparently Fellow Traveller got Infrared blacklisted by the CPUSA lol
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 No.163500

File: 1618117668852.jpg (87.22 KB, 384x426, ANGLO BOX.jpg)

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 No.163502

>>163492
Who's acting like a wrecker here? That's some sus ass shit.
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 No.163503

>>163492
It's just a meme, Haz talked about it before. It's funny that some ass pained wannabe ECelebs take this shit seriously
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 No.163510

>>163491
"White" is an incoherent bourgeois term that a Marxist has no business using in their analyses, and from the little I've seen of her it's her go to pejorative whenever someone criticizes Vietnam or questions the legitimacy of its socialism. I see that crap from tumblrtards and various degree of third worldist brainlet where it's clear that "white" isn't being used as a general descriptor but as an invective which is meant to negate any kind of criticism because it's coming from a white person.

I don't know about you but dismissing people, their thoughts, etc, based on their race is pretty racist to me.
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 No.163519

>>163488
Sakaiism is too
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 No.163522

>>163519
those are literally white leftist Baizuo lmao. Sakai was a white college student with dreadlocks
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 No.163524

>>163522
He's Asian.
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 No.163527

>>163510
Whiteness has nothing to do with skin color per se. "White" and "black" are both concepts that were invented after religion couldn't be used as a justification for slavery anymore. Do you think Luna is dismissing white people based on their skin color? There are tons of Breadtubers out there that talk shit about countries of Vietnam.
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 No.163529

>>163527
>Whiteness has nothing to do with skin color per se. "White" and "black" are both concepts
Americans are obsessed with listening to academic faggots that come up with edgy sounding "right-on" ideas that have a 100% chance of going to shit the moment they come into contact with the general public.
Literally none of this has broken through the public conscious and all its done is agitate along racial lines.
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 No.163707

File: 1618136561860.mp4 (7.13 MB, 426x238, 1618136558800.mp4)

Holy shit. Zizek got glasses and he looks like a totally different guy
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 No.163714

File: 1618138170204.mp4 (15.03 MB, 1152x648, AT-cm_1130118901.mp4)

To all anti-ML leftists: can you answer this?
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 No.163766

>>163714
Because not all communists are the same of support the same things whereas Strasserists overwhelmingly support the Nazis (even though the Nazis killed them). If a strasserist told me they didn't support the Nazis I'd let them dissociate themselves with them.
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 No.163768

>>163482
Luna Oi is not a communist, she doesn't what socialism is. Vietnam is not "socialist" anymore than Norway is. What people like her and Hakim actually are are nationalist socdems.
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 No.163769

>>163766
the overhelming majority of communists supported AES
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 No.163770

>>163768
>nationalist socdems
The eternal anglo strikes again
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 No.163771

>>163769
So. Majorities don't make right. If the majority of communists think social democracy is "AES" they'd just be wrong regardless. If the USSR and China were AES then how does he explain the Sino-Soviet split and later the Sino-Albanian split?
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 No.163772

>>163768
Hakim is not a Socdem. He is anti Market Socialist and is a Cockshottist
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 No.163774

>>163771
you probably mistook my post
I was just pointing out that his differantiation between Strasserists and Communists was wrong
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 No.163775

>>163771
>If the USSR and China were AES
They were. China isn't currently a Socialist Country but they are atleast governed by a Communist Party and have an active Marxist Institute working with the Politburo to some extent. Let's give them at least the Benefit of the Doubt and don't completely shit on them
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 No.163779

>>163775
I don't completely shit on them.The thing is its not really their fault. China and the USSR had to make do with piggy backing off bourgeois revolutions and then implementing capitalism in their semi-feudal nations first to create the conditions for socialism, but they couldn't sustain the revolution past capitalism.
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 No.163780

>>163779
USSR wasn't Capitalist after Lenin you know?
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 No.163781

>>163780
It was. It still had commodity production and nationalism and by the 30's was making no further plans to abolish it. Futhermore, it was a DoTP.
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 No.163782

>>163781
*wasn't a DoTP
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 No.163791

>>163781
>Commodity Production
First thing you need to do is reading Volume 3 of Capital where Marx outlines what seggregates different Modes of Production. If you're done you can kill yourself
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 No.163792

>>163781
>It still had Nationalism!!!!!!

Where is the Nuance you dumb piece of shit. Good think you don't organize, otherwise we really would be doomed
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 No.163798

>>163766
>Strasserists overwhelmingly support the Nazis

Check this out: https://arplan.org/2019/10/29/socialists-leave-the-nsdap/
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 No.163800

>>163781
>>163771
>If the USSR and China were AES then how does he explain the Sino-Soviet split and later the Sino-Albanian split?
Imagine how actual fucking retarded you have to be to write down this actual sentence.
>Majorities don't make right
<hundreds of millions of communists across the globe and the majority of Marxist writers must all be wrong, my reading circle of six people have figured it all out!

>>163768
Pretty sure Luna has received more of a formal Marxist education than you. Do you think Norway is a dictatorship of the proletariat? Plus, Vietnam doesn't even claim to be socialist but to be merely in the process of building it.
https://www.tapchicongsan.org.vn/web/english/economy/detail/-/asset_publisher/mqd1ARxqSObP/content/clarifying-the-development-of-the-socialist-oriented-market-economy

>>163779
>implementing capitalism
Once people write about extremely abstract world-historical concepts being "implements" it's usually a sign that they're nitwits.
>muh commodity production
So capitalism has always existed? Middle Ages, Antiquity, they were all capitalist?
>nationalism
So?
>DotP
Conveniently ignoring that for this exact reason the USSR called itself a state of all people after 1956, which was a wrong move even though technically there wasn't any proletariat domestically anymore, but in the global context they still were proletarians.
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 No.163802

>>163800
>>163782
Oh lol, so I actually thought you were saying something semi-intelligent and meant that you socialism must include the self-abolition of the proletariat.

Turns out you are just a retard.
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 No.163811

>>163800
>Pretty sure Luna has received more of a formal Marxist education than you.

Not him, but what even is a "formal marxist education"? As I pointed out in this thread >>162690 marxism has these days no standard, no common ground on principles. Luna's "formal marxist eductaion" is meaningless outside of Vietnam.
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 No.163815

>>163811
>what exactly is a formal education
When you learn your Marxism in an actual official education institution with tests and degrees within a socialist republic instead of some dusty Discord reading group. Why do you say it's meaningless? Marxism in Vietnam was a unique experience and Luna has presented some of the textbooks she had to read. I'm not even liking her whatsoever but this fucking arrogance is so unbearable especially when you consider the terminal failure of communists in the West.
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 No.163823

>>163815
Because marxism was supposed to overcome national borders and be a guide for the entire proletariat of the whole world. But under current circumstances, what is the point of having a degree in "vietnamese marxism"? Go to literally any socialist country, talk with their scholars and they will reject your "marxist eductaion". Marxism has been reduced to a variety of nationalist ideologies, therefore there is no "marxist eductaion".
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 No.163855

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 No.163871

File: 1618153868902-0.png (35.8 KB, 518x171, Screenshot (217).png)

File: 1618153868902-1.jpg (207.18 KB, 1300x868, confetti.jpg)

INFRARED 3K SUBS
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 No.163873

>>163823
Marxism does not mean that. Capitalism is what turns the majority into people with no nation, or at least that's the idea that Marx was getting at. Communism only turns what is competition between nations into association.
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 No.163879

>>163768
What does this even mean? And do you think a Socialist country has ever existed? And if it has which Socialist country?
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 No.163881

>>163781
Why does everyone forget about Marxs division of labor? They always forget it.
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 No.163889

>>163871
So what's next for infrared, what strategy should they take? Honestly I like his news segments during stream, his debates are golden, but his youtube needs more consistent content.
I think he should keep restreaming cause youtube is such a better platform for growth than twitch, he also needs more friendly collabs not just bloodsports.
Beyond that, the community has good memes.
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 No.163901

>>163889
I know Haz is anti-weeb but I want to see Vtubers.
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 No.163934

File: 1618158482475.jpg (176.12 KB, 1024x576, istockphoto-1164204472-102….jpg)

>subs dipped back below 3K
I'm sure it'll come back up anytime now.
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 No.163942

>>163823
Bet Luna could do a postgrad in China, Best Korea or Cuba without issues
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 No.163944

>>163934
Get a life you terminally online looser
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 No.163947

>>163934
Why do you care? Read a book, dude is literally a markov chain of "cuck, anglo, liberal, gorilla, hegel, heidegger".
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 No.163954

>>163873
It exactly does. Marxism is supposed to be a universalist ideology.
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 No.163977

>>163954
Yeah because Capitalism has covered the Globe and in order for Communism to replace this system, it needs to be active on an International Level. That was Marx's Reasoning
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 No.163979

>>163954
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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 No.164007

>>163527
>Whiteness has nothing to do with skin color per se.

I've heard this retarded line before and it's always a thinly veiled excuse for the user's woke racism. If it's not about the skin color, then they wouldn't be making it about the skin color. If it didn't have any to do with skin color per se, then they would correctly identify fully "culturally white" people like the Obamas as "white," which they never do.

That's the libshit at work, substituting nonsense language like "white" for correct Marxist terms like "bourgeois." "Obama is white" is nonsense, while "Obama is bourgeois" isn't. Morons complaining about "white culture" are actually complaining about "bourgeois culture." This is also part why you have idiots saying things like races and sexes are actually classes and nonsense like that.

So, no, it is about skin color. It's inherently racist.
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 No.164011

>>163873
Capitalism invented nations. Nations are bourgeois constructs used to con workers into thinking they're on the same side while the bourgeoisie use them as factory serfs, prison labor, and cannon fodder. Capitalism isn't responsible for making workers have no nation, that's there natural state.
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 No.164012

>>163768
Of course she does. Socialism is when you plant community gardens and develop capitalism, and the more community gardens you plant and capitalist your country becomes, the more socialister it is, you brainless white leftist.
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 No.164015

>>163510
>>164007
there is a cynical psychopath Joker-attitude that is unique to WASP people, especially those with power they didn’t earn like Vaush. I don’t know whether you deny this or not, but that’s what people mean in the context of Vaush when they say “white”.
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 No.164018

File: 1618163643310.jpg (38.19 KB, 425x283, ab8.jpg)

>>163947
>dude is literally a markov chain of "cuck, anglo, liberal, gorilla, hegel, heidegger".
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 No.164022

>>164015
Yeah, sure big guy.
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 No.164051

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 No.164057

File: 1618165791893.png (25.58 KB, 300x250, ClipboardImage.png)

>>164018
I have been thinking a lot about Markov-chains recently and well, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones…
the glass house is leftypol
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 No.164155

>>164007
White people mainly live in a bubble. I'm sure you can find a white person who lives in poor neighborhoods but they're not watching Luna's videos.
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 No.164172

>>164155
> I'm sure you can find a white person who lives in poor neighborhoods but they're not watching Luna's videos.

You're talking to one you jackass.
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 No.164175

File: 1618172496922.png (30.15 KB, 223x255, soy167.png)

>>164155
>White people mainly live in a bubble. I'm sure you can find a white person who lives in poor neighborhoods but they're not watching Luna's videos.
Fuck off back to twitter, burgerfaggot.
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 No.164186

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 No.164192

File: 1618173798139.jpeg (6.75 KB, 206x245, npc-2.jpeg)

>>164186
If anyone should be the one coping it would be the one who can be replaced by <100 lines of python to an un-noticeable degree, no?
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 No.164193

>>164011
You are a retard
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 No.164198

>>163954
>Marxism is supposed to be a universalist ideology
…that moves from the universal to the particular.
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 No.164199

>>164193
Actually I'm right.
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 No.164221

>>164172
wow your really special
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 No.164246

File: 1618177459899.gif (1.02 MB, 540x540, 7691458.gif)

>>163714
It's a pointless question that really only comes down to power. Strasserism was more or less purged by their own supposed allies in the NSDAP and never really recovered because there's not really a point to it, most people will just shed either into Naziism if they decide to cling to racial spooks, or they'll become full on socialists if they end up taking class politics more seriously. Therefore, there are almost no Strasserists to make the argument on a wide enough level to seriously convince people that they deserve to be recognized as legitimately different from the Nazis, and so anyone who talks about Strasserism will sound either like a Nazi in denial or a Nazi sheepdog against socialists, or someone who is trying to figure out their own thoughts. Communists don't have this issue because by and large there is a pretty decent profusion of branches of communism that have enough members that they can hold a coherent line that separates themselves from this-or-that aspect of socialist history.
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 No.164255

My favorite Anglo Destroyer is live
https://www.twitch.tv/infraredshow
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 No.164294

>>164255
He wants a friendly debate with cockshott
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 No.164320

>>164255
Infrared has become sooo boring lately. No debates, no theory, no autism…. He plays games and watches random videos on Youtube. I miss the old days, when people went on his stream.
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 No.164321

>>164320
>when people went on his stream
You mean when people asked for timestamps about funny moments?
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 No.164322

>>164321
I don't know man… I just think, that his streams were better in the early days.
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 No.164326

>>163707
His pronunciation in spanish is still understandable but it's even more funny than his english! Does he actually understand spanish? I know slovenian drunkpunks that are much better in both languages.
>>163714
>whoever answers this successfully I will personally -uh- I will personally -um- s-su..admit you were right
lmao!
Here's the answer. Strasserites were the trots of national socialism and neo-strasserites are right to differentiate themselves. If the Strasser bros and their SA fembois had conquered leadership in the NSDAP they undoubtedly would have done some things differently. (eg. compulsory homosexuality)
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 No.164346

>>164326
btw i'm not going to waste time watching this loser's stream so somebody please save it for me when he admits i'm right.
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 No.164646

File: 1618200742738.gif (147.75 KB, 792x658, 1544199621024.gif)

I'M ALWAYS ON THE ROAD NEVER FAR FROM HOME
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 No.164677

>>164320
yeah, infrared was good when it was leftypol chaos or actually productive stuff.
I like bossignostic's streams, they are much more comfy and the people in the chat are actually cool adults and not retarded children like in infrared's.

Not that they are "the same theme" or whatever, I'd just much rather see bossignostic's stream than infrared's.
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 No.164679

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>>164675
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 No.164682

>>164192
is this speculation? I don't get it.
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 No.164698

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>>164677
bossignostic is a great example of what streaming can be and I like to think Boss and others like this could wean some of our more wayward viewers from these terrible twitch and youtube modes of entertainment where they are just cash-cows to the next vaush or infrared cultist/grifter.
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 No.164702

>>164692
You want counter culture son
https://youtu.be/FOEYsueJsEg
Here
Reminds me of how grunge etc came across before it went mainstream

hear that lurking burger grifters, the next wave of money is probably going to be in producing content for for foreigners to laugh at 'merika
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 No.164706

>>164702
This isn't even new. it feels very much like a rehash of older counter-cultural TV stuff.
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 No.164707

>>164698
you sound just like every breadtubers whenever you limp wristed entitled technocrats make your trite, overdone, attempt at insulting infrared. I already had my eyes on you with the kulakery I witnessed near the end of the bunkerchan, you’re already on thin ice in the eyes of the public, please have some self awareness before you intellectual moralists try to pickpocket posters of their time and attention yet again.
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 No.164708

>>164706
It'll be new to the kids, Disney used to prerelease its feature films to the cinema every 7 years or so
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 No.164710

>>164707
Whoever wrote the markov-chain hazbot needs to rework it a little. many expand it's data set.
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 No.164712

>>164710
“It’s word salad!” you definitely don’t sound like a breadtubers. keep exposing yourself.
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 No.164718

>>164712
>whenever someone calls me out for my barely comprehensible sentences it is not a me problem it is just because they are secretly from bread tube!!!!!111
Haz. I mean it sincerely. Seek irl interaction.
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 No.164722

>>164715
You remind me of the people complaining about their favourite niche band not making it when all the kids were going out of their minds for pearl jam, smashing pumpkins and nirvana
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 No.164723

>>164718
I’m not Haz, but at least you’ve admitted I’m a real person.
and I don’t need help. I just see what you’re doing for what it is. you’re pursuing some kind of moral ideal because your “values” have been offended by something much bigger than you.
it won’t go anywhere, and it won’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but that’s beside the point. because the point is that petite bourgeois moralist pickpockets run this site, and you have a bad habit of making you problems someone else’s. do not superimpose your project onto us in the name of your moral ideal, it won’t work and you will only get disappointed.
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 No.164730

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>>164723
>everyone who does not buy my grift or join my cult is a petit booj moralist pick-pocketing domestic abuser who once starved there cat and put the hamster in the microwave when they was young.
Picrel.


(can you teach me to pick-pocket jannies, i am bad at this and it is a useful skill.)
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 No.164735

>>164698
Boss's streams work well because there's the anon culture of imageboards which keeps a distance from the psychopolitical aspect of these streamers, where people want to form a "community" instead of watch a show or talk to each other like normal people.

"Communities" are a toxic blight on the internet. It's there for people to be able to send text and images and so on to each other, and anyone can communicate rather than the communications being necessarily controlled by a bunch of rich people. Obviously that changed in the past decade as the commons have been enclosed, bots are everywhere and no one can compete with big tech's data and info spam. In principle though, a lot of people do this to themselves when they engage in this psychopolitics, and it's a trap that can be avoided if you know it.

Caleb's a grift. He's a decent human being relative to alot of them and genuinely informative, but he's also running a grift so he can sell his books to an audience. I don't know if Haz knows himself what he's trying to do at this point, except that he doesn't like law school. I've been seeing a lot of internet Dengoids coming out with material, and the better ones are able to mine the wide open field of anti-Malthusians. In the end, Caleb and Haz are crippled because they have to endorse Xi's stupid lockdown policy, and they can't speak of China's actual function in the present world order. There is definitely a niche for a uniquely pro-Soviet streamer who is not too fond of Deng China, certainly there are Twitter users who resemble that.

I tried to text "debate" Haz on his challenge about how Communists denying USSR/PRC aren't necessarily the same as Fascists denying NSDAP/Italian Fascists. Without the core of biological politics, a lot of stuff like Strasserism is barely intelligible or amounts to saying "society is good and we want to subordinate people to society and the nation", which isn't qualitatively saying much. Every country, even good old Burgerland, exhorts its people to subordinate themselves before the technocratic state. That's what Kennedy's what you can do for your country bit was about, he's telling the plebs to shut up about new programs for a moment and accept what he was going to give you if he felt nice. You can't really speak of a fascist program without some assumptions about biological politics and the relation of people to the state and society, and that's one of the differences. A lot of communists knew well that what the USSR became wasn't really what they had in mind, but they were stuck with what was made and there was more than a little human error in the process. They got fascism totally wrong (and really, fascism did mindfuck the world communist movement, they never had a really good understanding of what drove it, only very recently have some of the old guard communists caught on to just what the US plan was).
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 No.164740

>>164730
I don’t think I ever said anything about domestic abuse, kind of weird that you brought that up. not sure why you would associate that with what I said unless you think it’s consistent with what I’m describing, which happens to be you.
anyway, the labels I’m using aren’t important. more generally, you’re simply coming from a position of entitlement when you superimpose your moral values onto something over which you do not have that level of control. you’ve attempted it in the past and it’s worked so far, but I see your viscousness and what it alludes to. just as I saw the same visciousness on the 8ch BO concerning matters like Syria but wasn’t accustomed enough back then to speak up. all I can do is offer my advice and warning: do not try to act on that viscousness, because you will lose that battle.
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 No.164746

>>164740
>I don’t think I ever said anything about domestic abuse, kind of weird that you brought that up. not sure why you would associate that with what I said unless you think it’s consistent with what I’m describing, which happens to be you.
You literally dreamed up that we are pick-pockets out of your tiny schizo mind haz, if you cannot see the joke here then you are to far gone. Again, please, I implore you. Seek IRL contact.
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 No.164753

>>164746
how was it not clear that I wasn’t being literal in the sentence
>pickpocket posters of their time and attention?
and like I said, describing what you are in literal terms isn’t my point.
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 No.164938

>>164246
It's a pointless question that really only comes down to power. Trotskyism/left-communism was more or less purged by their own supposed allies in the CPSU and never really recovered because there's not really a point to it, most people will just shed either into Marxism-Leninism if they decide to cling to real-existing socialism, or they'll become full on reactionaries if they end up taking liberal politics more seriously. Therefore, there are almost no Trotskyists/left-communists to make the argument on a wide enough level to seriously convince people that they deserve to be recognized as legitimately different from Marxist-Leninists, and so anyone who talks about Trotskyism/left-communism will sound either like a Marxist-Leninist in denial or Marxist-Leninist sheepdog against liberals, or someone who is trying to figure out their own thoughts. Strasserists don't have this issue because by and large there is a pretty decent profusion of branches of fascism that have enough members that they can hold a coherent line that separates themselves from this-or-that aspect of fascist history.
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 No.164955

>>164735
>There is definitely a niche for a uniquely pro-Soviet streamer who is not too fond of Deng China, certainly there are Twitter users who resemble that.
Problem is the USSR collapsed 30 years ago, so while its history is certainly worth talking about seriously so we can learn from it, I don't know if that has much practical relevance to orient people. You'd be running a historical channel. And if you're pro-Cuba or pro-Evo today, they're all cool with Xi Jinping, so you'd kinda tie yourself up into knots if you'd say Fidel Castro is a true revolutionary and then he was saying right up until his death that "Xi is the most impressive revolutionary I've ever met" or something lol
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 No.164956

>>163714
That's a good question.
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 No.164962

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 No.164995

>>164753
What you say is so obfuscated you leave no other option but to take it literal and mock you for it. Try being coherent instead of rambling about bread-toobas in your head you massive autist.
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 No.165215

Why is it so bad for Caleb to want to make money you fucking retards
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 No.165251

>>164955
>"Xi is the most impressive revolutionary I've ever met"
He probably said that, to get Chinese aids
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 No.165253

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>>165251
>Chinese aids
BASED
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 No.165256

>>165253
I wanted to correct myself, but you know what…fuck it. Let's roll with it. Aids with Chinese Characteristics. Fidel was craving it badly
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 No.165358

Some wojakbrain finally discovered le /pol/ face
Hilarity ensues
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 No.165443

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>>164707
>I already had my eyes on you with the kulakery I witnessed near the end of the bunkerchan, you're already on the ice in the eyes of the public
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 No.165578

>>164995
it’s not incoherent. you’re just pretending it is because you can’t accept that I am talking about something real. the simple point is that you’re all wreckers and you won’t be able to put leftypol on the map if you continue with shallow drama.
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 No.165583

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 No.165605

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>>165578
Wait, there's ongoing shallow drama??????? Plsplspls say more
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 No.165615

>>165605
are you a marxist or a shallow british empiricist? does the lack of class conflict on an everyday scale mean class struggle doesn't exist, or is it something that phases in and out of fashion over time?
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 No.165620

>>165443
all I can say is when the time comes and there's real dissension, I won't be the one encouraging it.
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 No.165621

>>165620
I'm not fully certain what there is to dissent?
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 No.165627

>>165621
we agree then
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 No.165629

lol look at this ultra left baizuo
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 No.165986

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 No.165987

>>165986
Jesus that face
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 No.166006

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https://youtu.be/oV5oeIajpBM
so I just discovered one of our bois went on a debate with vaush.
now which one of you incels was that?
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 No.166008

who won
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 No.166009

>>166006
Its Fellow Cuckler
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 No.166010

>>166006
Fellow Traveler.
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 No.166036

Streaming now at
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/streaming
Going to start reading the news in a moment.
Woke is on in the background covering the protests after Daunte Wright was killed in Minesota near Minneapolis.
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 No.166432

>>165578
please keep posting. your undying devotion of Haz and your schizo projection is entertaining.
I love how there's literally no drama here, we're all anonymous…. we're criticizing the cult, and you come in here to start shit lmao and then cry that we're starting drama.

Meanwhile on the glowcord, a few days ago, Default, one of the top cultist (the one that pledged to donate all their savings to Haz), got purged by Haz for some retarded drama with "comrade gaga", someone who is marginally more left than a common college radlib, and her highschool-tier clique. The only reason that discord isn't mostly highschool drama is that childish retards keep spamming the chat with "we do a little trolling" memes and retarded takes that are 0% funny, but at least creates a buffer between the other retardation.

So if you are seeing drama here after being in that fucking nut house, you are clearly suffering from PTSD and should seek medical attention.

hahaha but don't take it personally, please keep posting this weird shit.
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 No.167122

>>165578
>you won’t be able to put leftypol on the map
>he says
>on leftypol
Hoxha laughs from beyond the grave
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 No.167131

>>164712
Kek word salad is like the only thing Haz Haz
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 No.167188

>>166432
funny how you responded to pretty much nothing I said actually. I don’t care about “drama”. leftypol will always have drama.
the problem is that you, the mods, don’t have a vision for this website. you keep creating boards and trying to filter people out based on whether they conform to your moral standards of what makes a good leftist. you keep this website backwards while doing nothing but trying to superficially emulate the style of Revleft and the scale of 4chan. but you phased in just as easily as you can phase out, just like they did, dying on their particular hills. lucky for us, you actually don’t have a permanent monopoly on what leftypol is, just like Space and BO didn’t. this is just a warning. I know there will be drama about what I’m saying, I know it upsets you. but I’m telling you I will not be gaslit or be made to believe like I’m saying nothing but psychobabble. I will take to this end you won’t stop me.
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 No.167211

>>167188
Bruh the Anon you responded too is spot on. You trying to create some Drama because you're used to it from your cancerous Discord. The amount of batshit crazy retards out there is worrying. Haz isn't important and you are just luck that the jannies have a softspot for him otherwise we wouldn't even discuss him so often
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 No.167213

>>167188
What vision are we supposed to have for the site? Maybe you just need to lurk more.
This is a space for leftists to shit post and talka bout politics. Nothing more. It never has been more or less than that. It's right their in the manifesto. It's always people that want it to become more than, actually, fuck things up. I am also curious how new you are because you seem to think bunkerchan was the first incarnation of leftypol. This really just sounds like an upset bunkerchan fag who needs to lurk more.
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 No.167237

>>165578
>it’s not incoherent.
If you believe this then your grasp on reality is very tenuous and i emplore you again, seek physical interaction or a therapist.
> you’re just pretending it is because you can’t accept that I am talking about something real.
again see above. you must be able to see from this that you are not in a 'rational' state of mind, right?
>the simple point is that you’re all wreckers and you won’t be able to put leftypol on the map if you continue with shallow drama.
Look, i'm trying to be nice to you because you clearly are pretty mentally distrubed but lol, bro. YOU came here to whine like a bitch and tart drama, we're not interested in 'being on the map', that is your neurosis. I am sorry my friend but this is all projection.

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