some common ideas:>cultural hegemony>they dont have the time to think>they're too comfy>they don't care about politics (superset of the previous two i guess)
I disagree with all of these as primary factors. Cultural hegemony doesn't explain why people accept it, when many people do in fact reject the news. People are capable of forming their own opinions - these opinions are not handed down to them by petite-bourg and academic socialist intellectuals. People don't need to know the whole history of deceptions by media, politics, and academia - they don't need to know about intelligence agency involvement or any niche information. People will literally stop caring about news or university bullshit or w/e cultural factories "just cause". It's a feeling, its a sensibility that comes first, by understanding 'qui bono' and seeing lies or exaggerations even once, people lose trust.
On the point of people not having time to think, this is really important, but not primary - because before thinking, people act, theyre engaged in a situation where they're living, surviving, whatever. Before conscious class struggle, there's a struggle to respect your own needs, to stand up. But exactly this process of standing up is class struggle, and you will be beaten down. To live undeformed and unassailed, communism is the solution which ends class conflict. The first act is a very basic one which needs no understanding of anything outside your life or work. What we still don't see is masses of people standing up for themselves, and this is prior to people caring about politics.
As far as they're too comfy goes, yeah it's pretty true, but not totally. We do still see techfags e.g. who have it pretty good (not that all do btw, but the ones who do have it good) and who do what they can to engage in class struggle still. For their own dignity and ability to live their best life. In many relatively wealthy laborers this struggle to live their best life becomes deformed, which is precisely why they can become wealthy many times - for a general example, there may be bad working conditions, or long hours, or unhealthy conditions, but this is compensated for by higher wages. You never get back what you give up, but you're consoled with some extra money. Even these upper strata of labor are able to struggle for more.
Here's what I think about all this –
It really is ideology, the material base generates justifications (fuck Gramsci). Workers are not only laborers, but sellers
of labor, and purchasers of means of consumption. It's very easy for people to see the truth in their position in the market, and take that as the whole picture. The market is, at least according to Marx, the sphere of capitalist life where there really is freedom, equality, etc. Production is the other half of the equation, and this is where proletarians exist as laborers. This is where class struggle happens and class consciousness is grows. But the reason why bourgeois ideology can even take hold
among a class that lives so differently is because in one crucial aspect, they are similar - they are buyers and sellers. Proletarian ideology, or proletarian class consciousness, is proletarian not because it's all that's conceivable for proletarians, but because it's exclusive to proletarians and necessary for full consciousness as a proletarian. If you miss the (objective, not individual) class struggle which exists in the production process, you can never be fully conscious of your position as a proletarian. So this is the first half - just that there is a facet of prole life which is in keeping with bourgeois life and fits under bourgeois ideology. So - they can develop a consciousness of themselves which does not fully
describe themselves, but which does describe them partially, and adequately enough for some.
The second part is basically that we should look to the psychology and manipulation/threats going on, because i do seriously hold that a basic impulse to hold your head up, stand tall, not take an impoverished (in all senses) life necessarily comes before actively engaging in class struggle actions - and that class struggle comes before consciousness of class struggle and consequently political consciousness can form. (Btw the idea that material reality comes before consciousness of it should be totally reasonable to anyone, it's one of THE basic points of dialectical materialism, but i just realized that most assumptions come at this the opposite way - "why don't people understand" instead of "why aren't they acting")
I like this Mao quote:<"The advocates of physical education have not failed to devise various methods. If their efforts have nevertheless remained fruitless, it is because external forces are insufficient to move the heart…. "
All manner of theorizing can happen, but it doesn't necessarily bear fruit in the world, unless people are moved by their conditions to take up the ideas.
This tells me maybe it's the simple answer - we're too cushy. I don't buy it though, since most working people are some shade of miserable. So I'd rather look for the root of the problem in people's translation of their misery to action, and consider the external conditions sufficient. And this is where I end, because i have no clue why people have been broken… one idea i've seen floated is that it's because of an extremely repressive atmosphere, maybe a childhood thing, and people fear an all out conflict and existential threat by standing up for themselves. There's also each element of BITE to consider. Is people's behavior controlled? Yes, work and obedience becomes a habit possibly…. Is their information controlled? Yes, and communists could help that by spreading information about strikes, unionization, or just stories of cool workers standing up to the boss (and winning). Are our thoughts subject to review? Eh not so much, though there is a good deal of ideological media and shit on the internet which shames people for accepting class struggle, which is a form of thought control. So half-check. Emotional control? In many workplaces, families, and social groups yeah you could have lots of repercussions for feeling the wrong way at or about your work, or the government, or this mode of production and the ruling class as a whole.
So maybe the answer is just that we're under siege by the best known tactics to keep people servile, dependent, and fearful to date. I think as communists we have to focus our efforts on this point of first motivation, and promoting the feasibility (that it won't kill you, it won't lose you all your friends, it won't necessarily even lose your your job) of class struggle.>>1113571>scientists discovered Marx was right
heh, take that Karl Popper (and Gramsci, but for different reasons)
Also that's a good idea CPUSA not-Anon, to get people involved in community. Doubly so, because not only would it help out directly, but it's something people actually crave (and i'm reminded of how all capitalist "community" they sell always feels hollow upon experiencing it - the only real
community people will get is radical proletarian community imo)>>1113572
gotta give props to u also anon, for the actual material analysis