read this pdf
revolution is not simply human liberation, like mao understands, but dialectical, impersonal, it is the force of production liberating itself, we are just instruments of history, but history shall even outlive humanity. if what engels says is true, that we shall be as gods, so as to fulfil biblical prophecy, then what is "we" will be transformed, and communist discipline is part of that. mao demonstrates in his work also the manners of discipline expectant of a communist.
at the very least communism isnt liberalism.
Huey P. Newton was a literal crack addict though
Well he was obviously taking the pills that make you look like Lenin. Prescription drugs are still drugs anon.
Only rice/potatoes and water are allowed if you are a true communist.
but communism is not love
dude literally got gunned down because he was extorting his dealers for free crack
gotta respect the hustle
Communists should be reliable community leaders and role models, and should avoid anything that might hinder the greater project. That being said, we shouldn't steep into moralism nor lifestylism.
The third one reads like a pol infographic
they are banning everything fun
i thought we lived in a capitalist world
we need more communist infographics
that's what backwoods are for
>>1155027>but communism is not love
Mao also said to love the people. I wouldn't take Mao too literally and I think some of those quotes were intended to be somewhat "symbolic" if that makes sense. Western Maoists get weird with it because they interpret it all in a very literal way.
>>1154979>trying to force a uniformity on all communists and rob them of all of lifes joys.
This is like saying communists shouldn't have sex.
The act of taking drugs, experimental or otherwise- isn't bad in it of itself, but rather its the context in which it is taken, or the addiction to the drug that becomes a problem.
If i was to pop acid in the middle of a meeting, then yeah, I'd rightfully be taken out of the meeting and told to sober up.
If i take acid with friends and in the comfort of my own home, then that's fine.
Same goes with any drug and its addiction- if my addiction comes at the cost of party discipline, then yeah, I'm a threat to the party. But if i can discipline myself to ensure i don't become addicted to it, and just enjoy it recreationally as opposed to habitually- then yeah, I don't see why I or any other member of a communist org can't indulge and experiment.
Communism is not about 'having fun', it is not 'hip hop' or 'cool', there can be no place for mind bending drugs in a proletarian society.
This is like reading a holly scripture
Said who, Mao, Stalin, Mark, Hoxha?
Interestingly this picture is historically accurate except for the water pipe itself
Stalin was Georgian
Lenin died like a disease infested rat. Lmfao. Last person on the planet I would emulate health wise.
That's what a stroke does
He had one because he got shot in the face
Bukharin was complicit in the plot
Just spitting facts bruhs
Communist should live like shaolin monks. Bourgs can't do shit against us if we can make their heart explode with just a touch of our fingers.
Hoxha decried "degenerate importations such as long hair, extravagant dress, screaming jungle music, coarse language, shameless behaviour and so on"
yes, it used to be a big deal to be a revolutionist, not just a larp
they had less entertainment back then obviously lol
i read words and interpret them for what theyre worth anon
mao denouncing love and embracing the "hammer" which we use to smash the enemy with is the drift between radicals and moderates.
"love" is idealist and leads to idealist positions
ever hear the phrase "the more i love humanity in the abstract the less i love each person individually"? thats what im talking about
you cant love people you dont know
I love my grandma too
I stand corrected, If Hoxha said it, who was also against degenerate abortion, than death to drugs, and drug dealers!
>>1155104>Communism is not about 'having fun'
Why should I care about communism then? If I'm going to lead an austere life during communism, what's the point? I can already lead an austere life under capitalism, so why should I support you? Do you really believe people will be convinced to join a revolutionary movement if the stated goal is to live an even more boring, gray and dolorous life than under capitalism? You LARPers need to wake up at some point.
But the language is one of holly disciple, aka commie jihadist
are you the same guy in the gf thread in siberia or are there multiple of you
You do you
Live your best life
Anon in the gf siberia here, that wasn't me.ME AND MY PROPERTY ARE LEGIONME AND MY PROPERTY NEVER FORGET AND FORGIVEME AND MY PROPERTY DO IT FOR THE LULZEXPECT OUR UNION OF EGOISTS>>1155192
Have fun convincing proles they should fight for the revolution in order to live a more boring life than they do right now, I'm sure it will work. LARPing as a NKVD officer is always the best praxis, common workers relate a lot to that.
After a certain point people get it or they don't
Why waste time? Life is short
Not everyone needs to live like that
for a lot of proles even the thought of joining a communist party or org is a waste of time, get your head out of fucking fantasy
Now tell me something I don't know
Communism has no meaning outside of Marxism-Leninism
Sure some fags may call themselve left Comms/anarcho-comms etc
But outside of masturbatory philosophical circles it means Marxism-Leninism. Which is a lesson in dialectical historical materialism itself
And MLs have always stressed discipline
Bourgeois have endless pockets to fund reactionaries worldwide, think-tanks to employ people on best way to rule empire all day long and a cosmopolitan bourgeois that will always come to the assistance of a bourgeoisie on the brink of losing state power to a rising proletariat
Only thing communists and the working class have is discipline and organisation
Incidentally that's why the liberal faggots constantly whine about "muh beaureaucracy" in existing socialist countries (Even though Paul Cockshott proved capitalist nations require a far more expansive State and beaureaucracy in How the World Works)
Only as it relates to a political organization. If you have dirty dishes at home, who cares. People tend to bring their shit to political orgs, but orgs need to be disciplined, professional, and serious. Otherwise they descend into chaos.
Our org is very serious about this. Jokes are fine and stuff but we try to be ruthless in keeping things ordered and structured in our meetings. This saves time, and reduces petty behavior. After the meetings we sometimes buy beer and have fun, but not a single drop of alcohol can be drunk during meetings. Unsurprisingly, our org is the chillest, the coolest, the most active, the most rapidly growing, the most well educated on the national level.
Meanwhile, other local orgs are swimming in drama, scandals, and irrelevance.
Mods, please move this to /trash/
>>1155286>dialectical historical materialism
You don't even use the buzzwords right, how am I supposed to take you austere online Leninists seriously?>a cosmopolitan bourgeois that will always come to the assistance of a bourgeoisie on the brink of losing state power to a rising proletariat<the bourgeoisie will come to the assistance of the bourgeoisie in case of a revolution
You should perhaps start applying discipline to your stream of thoughts.>>1155307
This is a more reasonable take, and I say this as someone who drank a lot when I was part of a Capital reading group.
Whatever your org is doing, you need to have clear-headed moments to make decisions and so on. I like to believe I can be clear-headed while drinking a few beers, but I can understand why someone wouldn't think that way.
I have participated in meetings in both political and non-political orgs in the past, and they can easily be side-tracked into lengthy debates over minor things while there are much bigger fishes to fry.
You shouldn't have discipline for the sake of being austere and tough, or because this is what Saint Lenin did and therefore we should do everything like Lenin, amen.
You should have some discipline in your org because otherwise things get too chaotic and no progress is made, and it's a waste of time for everyone involved. That's the whole point.
Ah we're back at the "barracks communism is based actually" phase of leftypol discourse, despite Nechayev being BTFO by Marx and Lenin and every other communist. He also was a paranoid schizo stealing his comrades' and Bakunin's letters to blackmail them. And he also betrayed said comrades to the police to radicalize them.
If you're going to be like this at least choose a better example, Blanqui had similar ideas but was a thousand times less retarded.
>Should communists lead disciplined or ascetic lives?
Disciplined? Yes. Ascetic? No.
You don't /thread your own post, that's not how it works retard.
The madlad did it he succesfully/thread his own post by employing trips
where's the rule for that?
to an certain extant yes, at least the military wing would need that
asceticism yes? astheticism no
we need comrades who read and are loyal to the cause>>1155155
never heard of it, waht does it mean>>1155157
your grandma loves you too>>1155176
just kys, you're not a communist,
you don't get to have an opinion on that
communism is when you're spooked
the more reified concepts in your head the more communister you are
is haunting Europe the gespent
It's <Gespenst> fagtron
Sure and what does it mean?
well fag means gay and I guess tron is like a robot thing
I meant gespent or gespenst or whatever
Certainly a healthy lifestyle is in my self-interest. Asceticism? Not so much. Though Christian hard discipline isn't in my self-interest either, it is desirable to not only shape one's body but also one's psyche. Something that Buddhists and Stoics do. And Christians just bash their heads against the wall and pray to a sky daddy which boosts their morale temporarily until the next devastating event. Rince-repeat.
>>1155321>Mind. Blown.>You should perhaps start applying discipline to your stream of thoughts.
Only because you're a retard and can't tell the difference between a National Bourgeoisie and a Cosmopolitan Bourgeoisie so to you it's all the same - so you think I'm saying the same thing twice
You're too stupid to make the following distinction:
There are national Bourgeoisie's that directly fight imperialism and against the Cosmopolitan Bourgeoisie..
and there are National Bourgeoisies that serve the Cosmopolitan bourgeoisie at the expense of their own people (comprador states)
The National bourgeoisie of some countries have done more damage against imperialism than most of the socialist and communist parties in the West combined.
It's like me, if you don't capitalize your german nouns I'll haunt you, dumbass
>>1154987>communism is when woo-woo bullshit about History
I swear to fuck some of you are just as dumb as /pol/
oh wow if famous person said it, it must be correct
Thank you comrade
Any questions from the audience?
i dont know what gespent means fagtron
he asked whether any of these famous people said it retard
Stirner managed to kick the spook of morality out of Marx's head and now what? We're back at point zero. SMH, MLs, one spook book wasn't enough.
Ah yes, communism is when you support the hard-working little national entrepreneurs against the globohomo
cosmopolitan parasitic bourgeoisie.
Provide your critical support to the little national capitalists against multinational corporations!
Little entrepreneurs of the world, unite! We have nothing to lose but our surplus value!
I'm a communist so…. Yes.
Communism is the real movement that abolishes the present state of things.
Not an ideal reality has to adjust itself to >The same must be said of the revolutionary character of national movements in general. The unquestionably revolutionary character of the vast majority of national movements is as relative and peculiar as is the possible revolutionary character of certain particular national movements. The revolutionary character of a national movement under the conditions of imperialist oppression does not necessarily presuppose the existence of proletarian elements in the movement, the existence of a revolutionary or a republican programme of the movement, the existence of a democratic basis of the movement. The struggle that the Emir of Afghanistan is waging for the independence of Afghanistan is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the monarchist views of the Emir and his associates, for it weakens, disintegrates and undermines imperialism; whereas the struggle waged by such "desperate" democrats and "Socialists," "revolutionaries" and republicans as, for example, Kerensky and Tsereteli, Renaudel and Scheidemann, Chernov and Dan, Henderson and Clynes, during the imperialist war was a reactionary struggle, for its results was the embellishment, the strengthening, the victory, of imperialism.https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/ch06.htm
Leftcoms bursting into this discussion in 3, 2, 1…
to be fair he caught 3 bullets in the neck and started having strokes
Question: what do you actually want?
Ie. Rude or common
E.g.. The vulgar tongue for commoners speach
Well then hopefully you're talking Lenin not some academic source
I'm not feeling well so would you care to explain your more refined take to the kids?
If you're a in sociology then don't if I have to listen to that misinformed drivel again spoken with such authority I might just give up and die of despair
Spook.>>1155345>loyal to the cause
Arrivederci, dame da ne, auf Wiedersehen, chao cacao, au revoir, adios, muchachas.
Should we lead ascetic lives? Most burgers are going to feel like normal, dignified lives are ascetic. They believe they have the right to consume the majority of the worlds resources with a tiny percentage of the population. My Musty 5.0 is my right baby.
/dead/ is dead. You have to deal with our existence from now on.
>>1155722>They believe they have the right to consume the majority of the worlds resources with a tiny percentage of the population
Damn, they must be living a very pathetic life. Never understood that commodity fetishism.
Discipline follows naturally from a correct understanding of material forces and their relationship to your personal life.
The vanquishment of cosmopolitan bourgeoisie by national bourgeoisies meaning productive forces can be built in developing nations (improving standards of living/ healthcare etc) and the parasitic imperialist lifestyle of imperialist nations disappears with the return of class war in imperialist nations
Socialist movements able to actually be built in countries with national bourgeoisie because theyve managed to get CIA off their territory that can't hand over death lists of trade unionists, socialists and communists like they did all over LatAm and Indonesia 1965
The victory of socialist revolutions breaking out under conditions of capitalist encirclement in tandem with some national bourgeoisie's escaping cosmopolitans that have not gone over to socialism yet
The socialist revolutions surviving this encirclement and aiding revolutions and national bourgeosies escaping cosmopolitan bourgeosies elsewhere
The era of Socialist encirclement and Socialist worldwide hegemony: as a political/cultural/economic and spiritual force
That's as far as I care to dwell into the crystal ball right now
That was after the FBI got him addicted in prison.
Makes me feel so fucking sad every time I remember how basically everything and everyone was destroyed around him, and just reading his wife excerpt in his book
>>1156096>Rightoids want to push the narrative that communists have to be reserved, stodgy, to effectively take a vow of poverty
Self-discipline and moralistic prudishness aren't the same thing. Self-discipline certainly doesn't exclude flamboyant or feminine behavior. Nietzsche may have emphasized self-discipline but he still called his philosophy "gay science." I think we can all agree that a healthy lifestyle is in many people's self-interests. Like, why would you abuse your own body? I do not understand.
communism literally is love insofar as love relates to affirmation of the real particularity of people. This is paralleled within dialectical materialism>>1155130
who hurt you?>>1155155
ok, now go make as many friends as possible, and love them personally and individually (i.e. not theoretically, but in actuality, through your actions and demeanor). This is how solidarity functions; through actual relationships between people.
The more you love, the larger your capacity to help people and motivation. Even the proper (sustainable, directed) anger is drawn from love. Loveless sourpusses are not ready to be communists.>>1154979
No. I mean congrats if you're living an ascetic life, and good job engaging in self-discipline. But if we're trying to make our lives better, start with your own. Love urself and nourish your health, nourish your mind, please your ears with good music, your mouth with good food, etc.
The second poster in your list is refering to the Mao quote: "Communism is not love, it is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy."
Incidentally, identifying communism as an emotional category is quite ridiculous. It confuses what is a type of society with either sentiment(s) or individual behaviour(s) .
Horrible form, I guarantee you that guy is experiencing pain from that event even today
Discipline is good but the OP says "Should communists lead disciplined or ascetic
lives?" We shouldn't restrict ourselves to asceticism and abstinence from things. OP quotes Huey Newton saying among other things that psychedelic drugs are something to perhaps avoid.
Specifically he says not to focus on them
Sure, Newton does, but in context of what OP is asking (asceticism) it sounds like the question is meant to be should we be restrained and monk-like.
Who's opinion do you care more Bout
Comrade Newton or comrade OP?
Don't worry there is no wrong answer here
I'm not judging
Asceticism is based, once you wean yourself off of certain things and lifestyles the brain chemistry changes and you can see things you never saw before.
A lot of leftists are afraid of concepts such as discipline and craftmanship since in popular cultural they are more associated with fascism and the right wing but I think thats wrong. Discipline should be a left wing idea and we could outdo the nazis at their own game
racist, literally racist tf no he wasn't
Definitely not an ascetic, but I stopped eating all refined sugar and industrial carbs.
They were bad for my health, bad for overloading the entire health system with diabetics, and really shitty for social movements when all anyone wants do in the evenings is collapse into a carb coma.
Now health is better and I look prettier. Now the natural sugars in full fat yogurt make it taste like ice cream. The real killer is that energy levels and focus are on a different level now that blood sugar isn't spiking.
Is this asceticism?
OP made the thread and asked the question. I'm answering the question asked.
No they should be sloppy, slovenly undisciplined retards. Of course they should be disciplined and organized. Stupid question.
I went down a similar route. Stopped eating sugar all the way back when I was 12, and haven't eaten it since, save for the sugars in dairy, fruit, and vegetables.
It wasnt for physiological/appearance/mental health reasons, cause I wasnt fat to begin with, but rather I just never liked processed and refined foods, much less sugar bombs. that shit tastes like ass and almost made me sick.
As a sloppy, slovenly undisciplined underachiever I think you started strong but then undermined your own point.>>1157874>refined sugar>industrial carbs
I don't believe in that made up bullshit
First they came for fat now they’re coming for carbs.
Nutrition science is bs. Literally just don’t overeat. Staying fit and healthy isn’t hard if you’re not debilitated.
FACT: He was just another crackhead
No, You only need to avoid excessive hedonism and degeneracy.
Have a healthy work/recreation balance.
>>refined sugar>>industrial carbs>I don't believe in that made up bullshit
What don't you believe in comrade?
Communists should be able to control impulses, be upstanding members of society, take care of themselves.
At bare minimum absolutely. Any principled communist should actively avoid pointless distractions and pop cultural garbage
Just a few events going differently in our respective lives would have been enough for me and that hypothetical person would be enough for us to switch places in the social ladder.
"Innate worth" is pure ideology.
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