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 No.1170779[Last 50 Posts]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/green-mps-threatned-to-leave-party-1.6579691
Wokie wreckers implode the Eco-Socialist Canadian Greens.
>On Friday, [outgoing Green Party president] Lorraine Rekmans said the federal council was discussing whether to continue with the party's leadership race following allegations that the party harboured a pattern of behaviour that was harmful to Black, Indigenous and people of colour, as well as 2SLGBTQ people.
>These allegations hung over the party while Annamie Paul ran the Greens; she was the first Black and Jewish woman ever elected to lead a major federal party. The accusations surfaced again after incorrect pronouns were used to identify interim leader Amita Kuttner during a virtual party event (Kuttner uses they/he/ille).
>Rekmans and other councillors agreed the Greens needed to address these allegations and voted to conduct an independent investigation. They also argued that the leadership contest, which relies on volunteers, must be suspended because the party could not in good conscience allow volunteers to work in an unsafe workplace.
>Lorraine Rekmans has resigned, saying 'the dream is dead'.

Rekmans was dedicated towards protecting the environment with her long career as a environmental journalist and helping indigenous and socialist grassroots organizations.
Dr Kuttner in contrast grew up in a privileged position with elite parents, elite Californian private schools, family home in vancouver and grad + uni in the US as well.

 No.1170804

i hate this place like you wouldnt believe, bros.

 No.1170807

The Green Party of Canada has always been known to be conservative, rest in piss

 No.1170815

Wowowow I do so wonder what Marx would've done in a situation like this

 No.1170821

>>1170807
Shit concern troll thread btw

 No.1170831

What's 2S and what's ille?

 No.1170845

>>1170823
What I never understand is, why do wokies feel the need to come into every western left wing party and just wreck to hell and back and try make it entirely into some 1234LGBTFPSRPG cult?
Why don't they just create their own "insufferable woke LGBT fetishist asshole" party? Hey have, enrollment through Fetlife.

 No.1170849

>>1170831
Split personality disorder.

 No.1170850

>>1170845
Because wrecking is the point.

 No.1170856

>>1170845
t. debates esoteric warsaw pact history in an irrelevant student microsect

 No.1170860

>>1170845
Stop acting like "wokes" represent any majority. Let me introduce you to vocal minorities.

 No.1170863

>>1170804
ngl it was over for you guys as soon as you took up the leaf. you have my condolences

 No.1170869

>Leftist

 No.1170871

>>1170831
there are no gender neutral third person pronouns in french (except for ce I guess but that doesn't really work for reasons I won't get into) so the francophone enbies had to make one up. one of the inventions is ille. it's probably pronounced eeyuh but idk because i've never heard someone actually say it.

 No.1170872

>>1170845
if you go to the beach there will be some people who build nice sand sculptures. While some other people feel an irresistible urge to destroy these sand sculptures. "wokie-wreckers" are like that except they destroy organizations instead of things build out of sand.

 No.1170873

>>1170845
Liberals, conservatives and shit/radlibs alike are imperialists, they hate seeing novelty and disdain creation.

 No.1170875

>>1170807
This, apart from their environmentalism they're LPC tier. They have an eco-socialist wing but they have never succeeded in taking the party leadership.

 No.1170893

>internal drama in yet another liberal "green" party
oh no

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 No.1170900

>>1170895
the NPD-BPD connection

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 No.1170903

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>2 spirits.
Not nearly enough spirits.

 No.1170905

>>1170895
this also reminds me how r/shitliberalssay's automod now deletes posts that use the term "psychopath" and lectures posters how "psychopaths are people too!!"

 No.1170909

>petty bourgeois “eco socialist” party attracts petty bourgeois idpol-riddled spazzes
Shocker. Reminder: Do not join or participate in an org or party that is not explicitly proletarian. It’s a waste of your time.

 No.1170917

>>1170899
Most effective leftist orgs in the West are Unions, and Unions don't put up with this shit because people's actual very real lives literally depend on getting better, direct material gains in their workplaces. Also Unions are filled with normie workers who won't hesitate to tell wrecker wokes to go drink some concrete and harden up or fuck off. One of the biggest problems with the Western left is that it's filled with genuinely, spineless, socially awkward people.

 No.1170918

>liberal party explodes because opportunism while reactolibs seethe about wokism
And I should be sad why exactly?

 No.1170940

>>1170845
Of course there is a contingent of SJW wreckers, but people like you are just as bad and equally a reason for movements to fall apart

 No.1170944

>>1170905
Anyone who thinks that "ableism" against Cluster B/Dark Traid disordered people isnt completely justified, either hasn't ever had to deal with someone with these disorders, or has a cluster B disorder themselves.
Anyone who has had the displeasure of associating with a narcissist, borderline, psychopath knows that these people are genuinely the most toxic and often dangerous people you will encounter in your life.

 No.1170954

>>1170944
yeah I know a guy who's "narcissist-lite" and I try to keep him at arm's length for good reason

 No.1170965

>>1170940
>but people like you are just as bad
Hello, fellow leftist.

 No.1170974

>>1170965
>t. CPB ML cult member

 No.1170989

>>1170965
Your patsoc cult has failed, you have no power here

 No.1171008

>>1170779
wokeism is an extend of globalism. To want a globally interconnected world so you can exploit the 'US-like' developing countries is as colonial and racist as when slavery was in effect.

Most people do not want a mix of all kinds of different cultures together, since people prefer to stick to their own. It's a condition created by markets, not by people.

 No.1171039

>>1171008
China and the Soviet Union are/were both heavily multicultural societies. The endgoal of communism is a globally interconnected world were people can mix. If you're not happy about this what's the plan? Throwing out the settlers out of Canada?

 No.1171042

>>1170918
You don’t even know what reaction is if you think opposing bourgeois morality is reactionary

 No.1171053

>>1170779
>2SLGBTQ people
>Kuttner uses they/he/ille
wtf is even this shit

 No.1171057

>>1171042
>The Green Party officially rejects the traditional left–right political spectrum, describing it as "something of an anachronism".
Great job defending this party reactolib

 No.1171075

>>1171042
The only way to oppose ideology is by disregarding it.

 No.1171080

>>1171057
That sentence is the most distilled representation of neoliberal “ideology” (or lack thereof) I think I’ve ever read. Fuck OP for describing these guys as socialist lol

 No.1171084

>>1170895
To be clear this is about how certain dark triad types will virtue signal victimhood to manipulate people or enforce a narcissistic persona of pro-sociality. This isn't saying lgbt people or other minorities are higher in dark triad traits or something. Actually my dad does this by using his cane and disability status to help him scam people or get what he wants, and he is a neonazi that is always ranting about lgbt people and women online.
>>1170944
This. It's funny, they are a minority that is made up almost entirely of the worst and most toxic people in society. Any amount of harm en-placed upon them would be societally progressive and the removal of these traits would relieve the other 95 percent of people of a great burden. Although I would not include BPD people in this category, who imu are less harmful to other people than those in the dark triad/tetrad and are most harmful to themselves, and so have a self interest in overcoming this disability unlike the others who's behaviour is largely in their own selfish interest as long as their circumstances are conducive towards it. One thing that is interesting to note is that dark triad behaviour is more common in "western" cultures than in Asian ones.

 No.1171088

>>1170900
they aren't related

 No.1171094

>>1171088
All Cluster B disorders have a very high comorbidity rate with each other. That’s the whole point of the clusters.

 No.1171096

>>1170831
2 spirit is a tradtional native american conception of gender that is basically about how someone is born with two spirits, male and female, and one of them gradually dies over time and the person identifies as the other gender. IDK that much about it though
>>1170871
That actually makes sense and is less "dumb" than I expected, go figure

 No.1171105

>>1171094
Sauce? I don't think cluster b does and I mean BPD effects mainly women while NPD is more common in men. The symptom profile of BPD is in many ways the opposite of NPD as well, which mainly describes "grandiose narcissism". If I was gonna pull some explanation out of my ass I would say that BPD is in there to make the category look more like some kind of disease these people are suffering rather than just the "abusive assholes acting in their own self interest and often getting away with it even though they are puddle deep disorders".

 No.1171106

>>1171105
>I don't think cluster b does
*I don't think BPD does

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>>1171057
>The Green Party officially rejects the traditional left–right political spectrum, describing it as "something of an anachronism".
One of the odd things about this ultra-woke wreckerism is, if I recall, Green Party voters in Canada were the most supportive of the trucks protests behind only the far-right Canadian People's Party. They were more supportive than the Conservatives!

There's something about these Green parties that attract the "mystic" left that believes in a lot of reactionary woo and conspiracy theories.

 No.1171120

>>1171115
>There's something about these Green parties that attract the "mystic" left that believes in a lot of reactionary woo and conspiracy theories.
The New Age/hippy to right-populist pipeline is 100% a real thing.

 No.1171121

>>1171120
I mean, we saw it in real time with antivax

 No.1171122

>>1171105
Apparently I was mistaken. I apologize for my obtuseness, I should have read before typing

 No.1171124

>Greens
snore

 No.1171128

>>1170804
at least you got healthcare (for now)

 No.1171149

>>1171122
No worries at all. Thank you for admitting the mistake

 No.1171273

All of you anons should not dismiss the claims entirely. Racism and right-wing idpol *can* be a problem among leadership and membership circles, but also liberal idpol *can* be weaponized too. That's why there has to be a harassment grievance process to allow for accountability, fact-finding, and due process to take place.

You're going to have a million IMTs, Caleb Maupin, Mautist cults, and fertile ground for cointelpro if we don't have abuse/trauma literacy and an accountability/anti-corruption process.

 No.1171287

These threads come up regularly, but nobody proposes any solutions to stop wreckers. It's easy to say 'kick them out', but anybody that makes a stand against them is shouted down and NOBODY AMONG THE GENERAL MEMBERS WILL SUPPORT THEM. What is to be done?

 No.1171330

>>1170895
Honestly we should just condemn any victimhood narratives altogether, they serve no purpose but to validate revenge fantasies and as long there is people who confuses revenge with justice we will never have any sort of justice in the first place.
>>1171287
I was going to ask the same but since I don't organize I don't know how good my ideas can be.
The best I can suggest is a continuation of my other comment, a party with a line that leaves clear that the party exists for the working class regardless of social identity and that defines social and economic justice clearly and away from the revenge fantasies of wokies.

 No.1171334

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>>1171120
>The New Age/hippy to right-populist pipeline is 100% a real thing.

 No.1171336

You know what destroys canadian socialist parties? The united states. American culture is a major export of america, and so are its culture wars. Do i support bigotry? Of course not! I am transgender. But do i believe that wokeness killed the socialist greens? Clearly it was the americans. This is why i support balkanization of the united states.

 No.1171339

>>1171337
Ok doomer

 No.1171343

>>1171287
>What is to be done?
I have no idea how to handle it on the organizational side of things in terms of grievance or disciplining people (other than just having systems in the first place that can suspend / expel members for doing bad things depending on what it is). But I kinda feel that if you're just relying on that to deal with it, then you've already lost, when the solution has to be more fundamental in terms of expected standards of behavior to begin with.

>>1171337

I often like your observations Eugenics-kun but this apocalyptic doomerism is a bad attitude.

 No.1171353

>>1171080
binary choices should not be promoted when either choice is against our interests

 No.1171361

>>1170779
>2SLGBTQ people.
The what?

 No.1171379

>>1171361
Probably SuperStraight, or maybe 2 refers to "binary" and not the number of S's. SuperStraight was a shill campaign by twitter users a few years ago to dogwhistle themselves as victims while also using a symbol that suspiciously looks like the schutzstaffel runes.

 No.1171381

Brocialists BTFO AGAIN

 No.1171383

>>1171361
>>1171379
2S is two-spirit. It's based on various indigenous gender identities that broadly see it as somebody who has both male and female genders.

 No.1171396

>>1171379
I would die laughing if Super Straight made it into the LGBTZOMGWTFBBQ rainbow.
>>1171383
Identity is a hell of a drug.

 No.1171431

>>1171396
It should be multiplied until the concepts of both heterosexuality and homosexuality are destroyed in a radical negation.

 No.1171447

>>1170905
thats really strange because most psychopaths are reactionary. They're people who have internalized capitalist relations so much and think that market logic how you succeed in life and are literally incapable of empathy, such a concept shatters their world view.

 No.1171453

>>1171080
they also supported israel lol.
the party was thoroughly reactionary. the leadership resigned because of an upsurge of the youth joining what they thought was a left party. they pressured their liberal leadership into making progressive stances and that was too much for liberal leadership.

 No.1171464

>>1171447
I suspect psychopathy is learned behavior

 No.1171466

>>1171287
>but nobody proposes any solutions to stop wreckers
Anon. I literally posted the solution before yours. I will repeat myself.

AN HARASSMENT GRIEVANCE PROCESS IS NECESSARY

We need an accountability process for leadership by people trained in trauma and abuse literacy and to resolve conflicts regarding interpersonal relationships. This currently exists in rudimentary forms in various organizations, and I suggest that either people create their own if theirs don't have it, or expand and provide more resources towards it.

>>1171337

If you're not part of an organization or organizing, I don't give a fuck about your doomer shit.

 No.1171469

>>1171431
based!!

 No.1171480

>>1170779
>Party gets taken down by some dumbass complaining about pronouns
Let's be real, was this a strong party that was going to stand the test of time and all the bourgeoisie can throw at it?

 No.1171481

>>1171396
>Identity is a hell of a drug.
"Everything about the human experience is a spook unless it relates to Marxism" kinda annoying how often this board takes that approach. You'd think people wouldn't shit on indigenous people who had their culture genocided but here we are.

 No.1171491

>>1171481
I'm glad your kind feels uneasy among us.

 No.1171493

>>1171481
class is the most important axis
cope and sneed

 No.1171502

>>1171351
Bro, you're right, things are getting pretty bad, however, you are not dead yet and you can survive. Just try to get a shitty job and survive. Everyone isn't out to get you personally.

 No.1171511

>>1171453
>the party was thoroughly reactionary
Getfiscal called it and he's Canadian so you can take that to the bank

 No.1171518

>>1171491
>>1171493
Class being most important isn't an excuse to always shit on everything except class and to bash indigenous Americans for aspects of their culture genocided by the US. In fact it's a completely reactionary take

 No.1171550

>>1171084
> I would not include BPD people in this category, who imu are less harmful to other people than those in the dark triad/tetrad and are most harmful to themselves
Actually, BPDs is as violent as Sociopathy (ASPD). BPD violence also often presents in extremely twisted and vindictive ways (where ASPD is more related to explosive/random violence) BPD is the disorder most commonly found in Serial killers and in pretty much every parent child familicide case.
>>1171084
>This isn't saying lgbt people or other minorities are higher in dark triad traits or something.
While the study doesn't say this, there is actually research on this related to Trans people. The vast majority of Trans people according to studies have NPD or BPD. You can actually tell that behind closed doors, most Trans cases are actually really seen as BPD cases as well, hence why DBT is one of the most common therapies given to "trans" people, a therapy uniquely designed for Borderlines. It makes sense as well that Trans people in reality mostly have BPD, BPD is all about constantly shifting, unstable sense of self.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25664291/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15865950/

>>1171105
BPD is interesting as it comes from a completely different place than Narcissism (No sense of self, self hatred), but ends up presenting in the same disordered fashion externally. BPD in men is almost always mis-diagnosed as Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Primary Psychopathy on first appearance. BPD in men is considered a "covert" personality disorder, as in, it doesn't actually present generally as BPD until the psych does a lot of digging into the cause.
In women BPD often presents as HPD, though BPD in women is far more well studied so Psych's know how to spot it very quickly. Cluster B disorders are also Clusters, they generally appear as groups, those with BPD will generally have HPD, NPD, ASPD etc as well. That makes no sense how can you hold two completely opposite disorders? Welcome to the mind of the Cluster B person.

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 No.1171567

>>1171529
Why can't you work at Walmart or something?

 No.1171568

>>1171464
Psychopathic traits can be learned behaviour (ASPD/"Secondary Psychopathy" and BPD/"Disordered Secondary Psychopathy" are both a mix of genetic and learned behaviour). But true Primary Psychopathy is a purely genetic disorder. Primary Psychopaths have no feeling, or concept of empathy and a lot of emotions. One of the best descriptions I heard from an expert in Psychopathy is that if a Psychopath saw a child get killed by a car, the Psychopath would only care about blood getting on their shoes, not understand why people care or react the way they do, but then go home and practice all those reactions in the mirror to further get more skills to manipulate people. Genuine, Primary Psychopaths, are basically Lizard People. One book I read about them described them as the closest thing to aliens we have living among us.

Really good book on "learned psychopathy" though, is People of the Lie, just skip the chistfag/"muh spirit/god" crap (I think Chapter 3 or 4, it is a very old book) but read the chapters based on militaries. Militaries pretty much go out of their way to "train" psychopathic and narcissistic traits in soldiers.

 No.1171569

>>1171550
>While the study doesn't say this, there is actually research on this related to Trans people. The vast majority of Trans people according to studies have NPD or BPD. You can actually tell that behind closed doors, most Trans cases are actually really seen as BPD cases as well, hence why DBT is one of the most common therapies given to "trans" people, a therapy uniquely designed for Borderlines. It makes sense as well that Trans people in reality mostly have BPD, BPD is all about constantly shifting, unstable sense of self.
Anon stop spreading this fucking bullshit. "You can really tell behind closed doors" sure you can anon. How many of us have you been behind closed doors with? Fuck you and fuck your bullshit studies from Tehran of all places

 No.1171570

>>1171379
Superstraight was hilarious though, it is also just as valid as crap like "Demisexual"

 No.1171572

>>1171570
It was polshit, fuck off.

 No.1171574

>>1171570
>reactionary homophobic and transphobic right wing movements are "hilarious"

You have to go back

 No.1171602

>>1170779
>Eco-Socialist Canadian Greens.
Green parties have always been full of mental woke people.

 No.1171791

>>1171128
>(for now)

unfortunately healthcare has always been an anomaly in this shithole of a country, just like every other neoliberal westoid cesspit nice things are not meant to exist. we got it, sure, but you can take it to the bank that its decline is terminal and will only end in pain and suffering for the population until some opportunist finally gets the chance to bite the bullet and privatize the whole mess. we are just the NHA but delayed by a decade.

 No.1171794

I'd accept being the next leader of the Green Party if I can get elected as an MP and actually get paid a salary.

 No.1171797

>>1171572
Yeah, but it fit the definition of a sexual identity to a tee. The MAGAtards pwned the intersectional radlibs with their own theory. That's worthy of a laugh.

 No.1171804

>>1171039
Your incest fetish is showing anon
>>1171008
The settlers are a culture of dominion and cultural hegemony that the Canadians definitely have, they're not even a republic

 No.1171806

>>1171602
The green party of Canada was nothing but a neolib "not left nor right" type party, anon called it socialist for no reason

 No.1171816

>>1171797
No they didn't, I fact it is a position of contrarianism. I laughed too but to say these things are equivalent is simply ignorant. The super straight thing exists in the same way as people saying that pedophilia is also a sexual orientation, although a joke it functions similarly. While things such as demisexual like >>1171570 exists differently since it means "attraction to only people you love", one is a fetish while the other is an aspect or limitation of one's being

 No.1171818

>>1171518
It is a completely valid excuse to call out people who think class is not the most important one as it is in fact the most important one

 No.1171842

>>1171804
>incest fetish
Is something that reactoids "nooo you can't mix it's globalist agenda, you have to keep it in the race/culture/family" cultivate.

 No.1171847

>>1171273
okay, but using incorrect pronouns during a meeting does not constitute this response. this is textbook purist fetishism seen all throughout the west and is directly related to the wholesale impotence of their movement.

 No.1171860

>>1170894
>>1170899
>>1171333
>>1171337
>>1171341
>>1171346
>>1171351
>>1171358
>>1171529
>>1171534
who let this retard back on this fucking board? it was so nice when you weren't here, i hate reading your rambling delusion-filled posts, you shit up everything you touch you namefag.

 No.1171862

I'm looking at what the party is about it seems to be litteraly just a random shitlib green party like any other impotent libtard green party we have had in europe for decades? Who gives a shit.
They don't even have One (1) seat at the senate or anything.

 No.1171870

>>1171862
The Canadian Senate is an ineffectual body that isn’t even elected. They do hold 2 seats in the House of Commons.

 No.1171871

>>1171816
>The super straight thing exists in the same way as people saying that pedophilia is also a sexual orientation
On the contrary, sexual orientations–just like all other identities–are inherently exclusive, meaning that they are, for all practical purposes, defined by what a person is not attracted to, not what that person is attracted to. To say that you are "straight" is to say that you are not attracted to individuals of the same sex; it does not say that you are attracted to individuals of the oposite sex. The key fact is that there are invariably members of the opposite sex to whom the "straight" person is not attracted. For example, a "straight" man may say that he is attracted to women, but in reality he is only attracted to certain idividual women with certain qualities. What "straight" means to that man is that he is not attracted to any members of the same sex. Whether or not that is true in practice, that is the statement that he makes when he says that he is straight.

Every other sexual orientation works the same way, in an exclusive manner. Your demisexual is not professing sexual atraction to all people whom he loves but rather declaring that he is not attracted to anybody whom he does not love. There is a specific qualification for an individual to be seually attractive to him, and most individuals don't meet it.

That is why "superstraight" works within the theory, namely that it fits the definition of a sexual orientation by being a declaration of non-attraction to certain categories of individuals just like every other sexual orientation. It works as a joke, because it effectively undercuts all of the claims to specialness that make sexual identity so appealing. Now the normies are a stripe in the rainbow, and that just takes all the fun out of it.

 No.1171890

>>1171818
Yeah well this isn't what generally happens, generally it's this board just shitting on LGBT people or topics and then when called out they say "Hurr durr MUH CLASS"

 No.1171893

>>1171871
Stop simping right wing hate movements. Your rationalizations are bullshit anyway

 No.1171895

>>1171890
>refuse to loose yourself in retarded liberal idpol, focus on class issues
<you just shit on lgbt !
there is a few retards but far from board majority. On the other hand, radlibs pop up frequently.

 No.1171897

>>1171893
"Rationalizations?" It's the actual theory behind sexual orientations. You may not like where it came from, but it is not theoretically unsound.

 No.1171898

>>1171895
Make your own differentiations, but as an LGBT person myself (I am forced into these topics I don't choose a side above class like some radlib) I haven't actually observed it typically being the way you describe on this board. In fact I rarely if ever see "radlibs" on this topic and moreso entirely see "homophobic or transphobic statements" being couched in "muh class". And this is a topic I read about, notice, and talk about on this board more than most people.

 No.1171899

>>1171897
"superstraight" people have no basis in material reality or historical conditions

 No.1171901

>>1171511
that was a rly good episode

 No.1171905

>>1171897
At least the idea is not unsound in any way that is not a function of the very theory itself.
>>1171899
Indeed they do not. Neither do any other sexual identites. Every one of them was spun out of whole cloth, "straight" included.

 No.1171909

>>1171905
>Indeed they do not. Neither do any other sexual identites. Every one of them was spun out of whole cloth, "straight" included.
That's not true. All throughout human history, where it manages to actually get recorded by the cis het straight men taught to read, you find gay people. Even back in ancient greece.

Superstraight does not, it's 100% a REACTION (they are REACTIONARIES) to increasing LGBT rights and awareness. Furthermore it's impossible to even be superstraight. A cis-passing trans woman will be able to fuck superstraight dudes and they'll love it. Only after they learn that she's trans would their sexual orientation come into play. So it's fucking fake, it's ideology.

 No.1171912

>>1171336

Based and breakupuspilled.

 No.1171927

>>1171909
>All throughout human history, where it manages to actually get recorded by the cis het straight men taught to read, you find gay people. Even back in ancient greece.
You also find what we could now label as "superstraight" people. Nobody in ancient Greece ever called themselves "superstraight," but neither did any ancient Greeks call themselves "gay." In both cases, labeling dead individuals with identities that they did not personally claim is entirely something that is done in our own minds. It is us mentally creating a past that did not exist in reality in order to support our own personal identitarian visions of the present. There were people who prefereed sex with individuals of the same sex in Ancient Greece, and there were people who preferred sex with individuals of the opposite sex in Ancient Greece. There were even preferences based on qualities that were not sexual organs, but neither any presently defined identity nor what we would call orientation was present, just individual preferences that were as varied as the individuals themselves were. The same is true of the present, only the illusion of identity masks that fact.
>Furthermore it's impossible to even be superstraight.
All sexual identities are just claims that a person makes about himself. They do not have to be possible or true. They only have to be claimed.

 No.1171930

>marginal petit-bourgeois political project has a leadership crisis
>PUT LGBT PEOPLE IN CAMPS NOW!!!!!!!!1
do reactoids really

 No.1171963

>2SLGBTQ
The what now?

 No.1172002

>>1171927
You're the one caring about labels. If a girl fucks girls she's a lesbian.

 No.1172089

>>1171898
you just don't have the natural talent to spot a radlib
also, >as an lgbt person myself
amazing troll
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/concern-troll/

 No.1172110

>>1171535
Just because you are a bad organizer incapable of building power doesn't mean that you have to project your insecurities onto others LMAO

 No.1172114

>>1170845
The better question is, why do socialists find them appealing? Either in terms of ideology or politically. They can only wreck socialist organization because they some gain acceptance through appealing to socialist party members or voters

 No.1172120

>Ecosocialist Canadian Greens
LAMO

 No.1172122

>>1171493
Was that the case when the ottomans genocided the armenians?

 No.1172136

>>1172089
>concern trolling is when you call out supposed communists for defending far right homophobic and transphobic hate movements
read a book please

 No.1172146

>>1172122
I said most important, not "the only important". practice your reading comprehension
that said, the Armenian genocide is in large parts explained by porkoid machinations

 No.1172219

>>1170779
wow that sucks for them I'm glad we don't waste all our time arguing about culture war bs here on leftypol

 No.1172381

Am I overly sensitive or is do people on this board attack "liberal idpol" so hard that they end up outright attacking LGBT people, then deny it and pretend you're being a liberal if you call them out on it?

 No.1172396

>>1172381
>do people on this board attack "liberal idpol" so hard that they end up outright attacking LGBT people, then deny it and pretend you're being a liberal if you call them out on it?
Yes.
>Am I overly sensitive
Yes

 No.1172424

>>1172396
>>Am I overly sensitive
>Yes
Why is it overly sensitive though, I thought out of anyone communists wouldn't punch down, so it's disappointing and sometimes a little worrying

 No.1172441

>>1171963
It means "Too Sexy LGBTQ"

 No.1172444

>>1172381
What is attacking LGBT? People attack everyone for everything. Grow a thicker skin. Is anyone stopping you from doing your LGBT thing?

 No.1172447

>>1172444
..Yes? Have you not read the news? My country recently made it illegal for LGBT kids to get hormones in many states.

 No.1172450

>>1172381
You're not wrong

 No.1172451

>>1172447
I bet your country also bans minors from booze, marijauna, and all other kinds of products.

 No.1172455

>>1172002
>If a girl fucks girls she's a lesbian.
That would include bisexuals and every girl who has ever "experimented." It would also exclude menupausal women. No, sexual orientation is not defined by committing specific sex acts.
>>1172381
Oh, that happens (see Z), but you had better make sure that what you perceive as an "attack" is not a valid critique, becuase those happen here a lot as well.

 No.1172601

>>1172451
Those are harmful drugs, not literal medicine and a part of healthcare, fucking retard

 No.1172604

>>1172451
>>1172601
And not only medicine, BIOIDENTICAL hormones. These are not some random chemicals invented by humans. These are natural body hormones produced by all human bodies, some people just need a boost to the levels of one of the hormones to create a proper hormonal balance. But you wouldn't know that of course since you know nothing about this topic

 No.1172606

>>1172601
>>1172604
I don't care either way. You're going to do it either way eventually. Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

 No.1172610

>>1172606
What are you talking about? Going to do what? What hypocrisy?

Wanting alcohol illegal for minors is NOT the same thing as wanting bioidentical hormone access through the healthcare system banned for minors. Saying so it completely unmaterialist and plain stupid. You're looking for bullshit reasons to demonize trans people

 No.1172616

>>1172610
If it's all about what's bio-natural, your chromosomes you were born with are what's biological.

 No.1172626

>>1172616
What does this post have to do with anything. Nobody is modifying their chromosomes and chromosomes do not map directly to sex or hormone producing sex organs. Read a book before you talk.

 No.1172628

>>1172626
>>1172626
>Nobody is modifying their chromosomes and chromosomes do not map directly to sex or hormone producing sex organs.
So why do you need "bioidentical" hormones?

 No.1172635

>>1172628
>So why do you need "bioidentical" hormones?
Bioidentical hormones are used by transgender people to masculinize or feminize the body the same way that would happen to a cis person during their puberty, just for a sex different from their own sex assigned at birth.

For trans women it means they undergo female puberty, the same as cis women undergo it (body fat changes, emotional changes, breast growth etc).

For trans men it means they undergo male puberty, the same as cis men undergo it (body hair growth, elongation of penis, emotional changes, other stuff too I'm not a transmasculine hrt expert)

Important to understand that all people including cis people have both estrogen and testosterone. It's just that which hormones is dominant in the body determines which puberty the body undergoes, and whether the body was assigned male or female sex at birth, it can undergo either type of puberty depending on which hormone is dominant in the body during puberty

And for people who already underwent a puberty, this means they undergo an undesirable puberty first, then the desirable puberty afterwords, when it's already "too late". This is why trans minors get so suicidal and miserable that they're undergoing the WRONG puberty because doctors refuse to give them the HRT they need to undergo the RIGHT puberty. In this way, for some transgender people (not all, some don't want HRT at all) being transgender is characterized by birth defect in hormone production at birth which needs hormone medication (HRT, estrogen or testosterone etc.) to rectify it. So trans HRT is in every way -healthcare-. It's not even remotely comparable to a "drug"

So no, your epic based take that trans kids shouldn't get HRT is not some reasoned argument or critique, it's straight up saying we should refuse healthcare to trans people, the majority of which are proletarian, and this is pure reaction, no matter whether the person saying is is ostensibly a communist.

 No.1172640

>>1172635
> just for a sex different from their own sex assigned at birth.
Assigned? Who assigned? The birthing physicians? Did that have a physical effect on your body? Or was this sex assigned by G*d?

 No.1172653

>>1172640
>Assigned? Who assigned? The birthing physicians? Did that have a physical effect on your body? Or was this sex assigned by G*d?
It's assigned by the birthing physicians. Sometimes they even make a literal typo of "male" and nobody notices, then a cis female is marked a male and can't change her birth certificate easily due to transphobic laws around it, causing her legal troubles.

Keep your "G*d" bullshit elsewhere, this is a materialist board. If God exists, it made trans people too

 No.1172668

>>1172635
>women is when titties and emotional

 No.1172681

>>1172668
It's painfully obvious that this level of discussion is over your head. Maybe read up a bit on endocrinology and transgender healthcare before bothering to comment further. But no doubt, you won't, and the level of discourse on this board will continue to suffer because of it.

 No.1172683

>>1172681
It's the typical glib remark of someone who wants to desperately fish for a "W" because internet discourse has devolved into who will win pointless arguments to shit that nobody takes tallies over.

 No.1172862

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>>1172601
>weed
>not medicine
I am honestly surprised that no stoners jumped on him over this point.

 No.1172873

>>1172862
Weed is actually harmful for minors or people under ~25 (?) because their brain isn't fully developed.

 No.1172875

>>1172873
Then again… so is liberalism

 No.1172885

>>1172873
Still much less so than alcohol

 No.1173078

>>1172136
>spoke out against putting class over idpol
>known wrecker shit
>literal "as a member of X group"
>get called out
>this is literal 2slgqbt+ genocide support

 No.1173085

>>1170779
>>These allegations hung over the party while Annamie Paul ran the Greens; she was the first Black and Jewish woman ever elected to lead a major federal party. The accusations surfaced again after incorrect pronouns were used to identify interim leader Amita Kuttner during a virtual party event (Kuttner uses they/he/ille).

I fucking love how it's always the most tolerant parties where this happens. Same fucking thing happened in the UK with Corbyn. Left parties need to develop an immunity to this bullshit.

 No.1173089

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>>1173085
>I fucking love how it's always the most tolerant parties where this happens. Same fucking thing happened in the UK with Corbyn. Left parties need to develop an immunity to this bullshit.

Give an inch take a mile, circular firing squad, etc. But yeah, every time you define yourself as good, people start holding you to a higher standard.

 No.1181001

Wish we could just have an Anglophone answer to the Bloc, they don't seem to give in to the radlibs the same way the NDP or Greens do.

 No.1181034

We need someone pushing for a culture where no one cares about pronouns. While ideally we just have non gendered pronouns since they arent all that useful i think it's better to encourage both trans and cis people to understand words are used differently. Literally both sides claiming misgendering one way or the other due to not agreeing what the word means or how pronouns should be used.

 No.1181189

>>1181034
Confusion over pronouns is 99% coming from cis people who want to subtly out trans people by not respecting them. 0.5% from non-binary people who complicate things a little bit. And 0.5% from people who aren't native English speakers

No, there's not going to be a "culture" where trans people "don't care" about being misgendered via pronouns, it's uncomfortable, annoying, and not even hard to fix. It's like if I gave you a nickname, you didn't like it, but I keep using it anyway, basic common courtesy

 No.1181236

>>1170779
Why does this always seem to happen? Identity Politics has always been the weapon of wreckers and glowies.

 No.1181243

>>1170845
BECAUSE THEY’RE GLOWIES TRYING TO DESTROY IT.
Why don’t enough people here realize this?


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