No.1256286[Last 50 Posts]
7th Edition: Bolehland GE15！SEA edition.
Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! South Asia and Oceania posters can come in to discuss their regional politics too!
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>>1256372>still caring about electoralism>2022The purpose of elections is not to elect fascists. That's fucking it
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>>1265078Zoomies punching down on a senile silent gen pres, let's see you not slurring your words when you're 80
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>>1265197>Defending BidenAnyone who unironically voted for Sleepy segregationist kid-sniffing Joe is going straight to hell
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>>1264399wait, gaming fbi? wtf is that
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>>1265078Gustavo Petro making the rounds damn
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>>1265205>For real I thought Ecuador was in Africa for a long timeI kept thinking it was in Europe too but that's Estonia.
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>>1265268it's a word-filter for d1sc0rd unless you mean something else
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>>1265078Now FARC insurgents can into ASEAN? BASED INTERCONTINENTALISM
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Rise and shine /SEA/, it's election day in Bolehland.
Who do you think is gonna win?
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>>1273266Not the DAP… Least cringe
mainstream Malaysian political party.
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>>1273458All I know is the 9th core value of SAF…
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>>1273266Who is winning now?
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>>1273774PN looks to be the biggest winner but they are quite cringe.
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>>1273774So do y'all think malaysia will go further right with PAS being major party in the government this time?
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Anwar winning with 19.9%, as in he literally got 19.9% of the vote in the district is peak Malaysian politics
>>1273948Imagine political parties in SEA is defined by left-right ideology.
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>>1273972Yeah there's only right or right party
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>>1274108Honestly Anwar should just tell PN and BN to form a government. These fucking assholes keep backstabbing him so idk why he would want to work with them anyway.
It is a good night for PH though, at least to me. I thought they would lose more.
>>1274214Not really. Most parties operate on a web of patronage and gibsmedat, rather than any established ideology. Even PKR seems incoherent other than simply being reformist. DAP does exist on the left-right spectrum though.
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>>1274217Yea the parties just operate like a vulture but the voters most likely is political. All of my friends literally voted PN just because they're Malay and Muslim
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>>1274218How can voters be political if your friends voted PN coz of being Malay/Muslim?
No.1274224
>>1274222Political in a social aspect, even one of my university's official society keep pushing for PN Malay dominance government and spewing racist shit like the Chinese will make Malaysia turn into Singapore, no azan etc
No.1274226
>>1274224Most of their justification revolve around racial supremacy. My father think that way, my friend, acquaintance, and so on. They actually believe that DAP is a Communist and Zionist at the same time.
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>>1274226 (me)
There's also historical revisionism where they believe Tanah Melayu was always an Islamic civilization and completely disregard any pre Islamic era
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>>1274228 (me)
Sometimes it makes me think if they trying be a Zionist of all thing, for instance I once saw these nationalist being mad at rohingya refugee for going to school. Fucker literally want to deny refugee's right for education while supporting Palestinian struggle.
Basically that's why I think that both the supporters and the party will push this country more right socially than it always been
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I'm probably being too emotional here but yeah that my opinions of me being Malay and by being around conservative.
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>>1274224>>1274226>>1274228Yea enthonationalism is pretty right wing. Idk much about PN describes its goals and vision to see if it is as coherent like Zionism or White Nationalism. But I do agree that they use cheap identity politics to garner votes. Sinophobia is the socialism of fools in SEA and Malays love to abuse this point more so than other SEA natives. It is pretty typical, don't worry too much about it.
>I think that both the supporters and the party will push this country more right socially than it always beenWell I hope people like you can change that!
>>1274243No worries fam, it is rare to see a Malaysian here, SEA politics and elections are more important than in the West or even LATAM coz we don't have a functioning democracy in any countries here.
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>>1274272 (me)
Also is PN more religiously hardcore than the old guard UMNO/BN?
No.1274292
>>1274273PAS is part of the PN coalition and it's an islamist party so, yeah. PAS is a big winner in this election and currently has the most seats out of all the parties.
No.1274342
Wet dream scenario: If the agung picks Anwar's coalition I reckon the PAS kids might lose trust in the monarchy and we go republican in 20 years. As in the UK, the Malay monarchy is often thought of as a backstop against too much democracy, and if it can't even be depended upon to rule in favor of Islam/Malays then there's no reason to keep it around.
More likely scenario: BN+PN coalition, infighting and collapse after a year
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>>1274342Yea I think Anwar should just tell these people to fuck off and not work with them. Like the whole government collapse last few years is precisely coz he worked with these morons. Damn Anwar is really some tragic figure in Malay politics.
>>1274292>>1274318Yea people on Twitter were crying about how everyone chose religion over governance so it seemed like PAS won on the basis of being islamist…
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>>1274479man turned singapore from an irrelevant shithole into a somewhat livable shithole with 8 billion legislation against chewing gum on public and singaporeans like that
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>>1274479>>1274483He is not that popular. Stop watching video essays on YouTube!
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>>1274510Yea a coalition has to happen anyway, I doubt they can even function well.
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>leftist in singapore
Literally uncopeable.
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>>1275602Wah buay tahan sia! 😭
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Looks like Anwar Ibrahim is Malaysia's 10th PM. The swearing in ceremony will be at 5pm today.
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>>1279095Finally, some actual reformaski. Hope it works out for him.
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>>1279247Meanwhile Muhyiddin still being salty and demand vote of confidence once parliament session start
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>>1274108Unhung.
>Homosexuality is illegal in Malaysia,[137][138] Cringe.
What's the future like in SEA? I know very little, but Malaysia and Indonesia are very Muslim. Are there any signs of that ever decreasing or increasing? Nothing against Muslims, but strong religiosity in government sucks balls.
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>>1279297I don't think it will be decreasing anytime soon, If PH government/supporter don't provoke them too much then maybe thing will start to cool down
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>>1279297Islamist vote share grew in Malaysian election just happened.
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>>1279304>If PH government/supporter don't provoke them too muchThis could be very hard to do while having principles. Shit that my dad cites as provocations against Islam includes even acknowledging that gay people exist in Malaysia (DAP has courted this occasionally). There's also a lot of conspiratorial thinking that's become self-reinforcing through TikTok agitprop.
No.1279385
I have a nightmare that Anwar is going to be a super neolib US ally PM and Mahathir is going to be vindicated. I hope that remains just a nightmare.
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>>1279297Probably gonna get worse. I heard about this trend of the Arabisation of Islam, whereby Saudi Arabia funds and centralize Islamic teachings to make it very Middle Eastern centric. But I can't confirm since I am not Malay.
>>1279385I don't think foreign policy was that hotly debated within Malaysia. But I do hope he reform all the ethnonationalist laws away.
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>>1279640The current PAS president Abdul Hadi Awang got his education in the 60s-70s from the University of Madinah (salafist university) in Saudi Arabia with funding from the saudi government and support from Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah bin Baz, vice president of the university and later Al-Azhar university in Egypt.
Speaking of Saudi connections guess who else has one? This article is written before the 1mdb scandal and downplays a lot of UMNO government's problems and the racial inequality but reading this broke my brain. I seriously didn't know half of this stuff.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/is-malaysia-teetering-on-the-edge-of-an-islamist-knife/5335288Who is Anwar Ibrahim?
What I’ve observed from speaking to rally-goers and social-medialites is that most Malaysians under 30 know very little about Anwar Ibrahim’s past dealings in government, his flirtation with Wahhabi Islam, and his unabashed shoulder-rubbing with neoconservatives in the Bush administration. Anwar was a man of humble beginnings, raised by a middle-class family. From his early days in politics, he established close alliances with both Wahhabi missionaries and the Muslim Brotherhood; he called for Malaysia to be ruled by a 14th century interpretation of the Koran and sharia law. Anwar was part and parcel of Saudi Arabia’s approach to religious expansion, whereby missionaries are used to recruit Islamists in moderate Sunni states, injecting an alien brand of political Islam with the intention of undermining secular Muslim regimes. Riyadh’s drive to Arabize states in Southeast Asia had a lot to do with offsetting the influence of revolutionary Iran, which inspired much of the politically ambitious religious establishment in Malaysia and elsewhere.
Anwar was given his start in government by none other than Dr. Mahathir Mohamad. At the time, Mahathir’s biggest political competition was the Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS), an Islamist political party that remains a strong component in the opposition coalition even today. Mahathir brought Anwar onboard as the Minister of Culture, Youth, and Sports to offset PAS’s influence. Once in government, he began working closely with banks tied to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Wahhabis to build the necessary financial resources needed for his political ascent. Anwar was promoted to Education Minister where he worked to advance the spread of Wahhabi Islamic doctrine in the schools as part of policy that attempted to re-order Malaysian society from the top down. In schools, Muslim prayers were publicly recited, sermons preached, and Islamic festivals celebrated as part of the curriculum, a far-reaching departure from the heretofore multi-ethnic character in national schools.
Mahathir allowed this on his watch, apparently to shore up his support base against PAS, who preached that Malaysia’s leadership were decadent, untrue Muslims. During his time in government, Anwar was known to have amassed a significant fortune, in the multi-millions through elite corruption and kickbacks from cronies at Petronas, the state oil company. Anwar had dealings with Al Baraka Bank, the world’s largest source of Islamic finance, which generously funded Saudi proxies and their causes from the madrassas in Pakistan to the glitzy capital cities of Southeast Asia. Anwar formed an NGO in the United States, the International Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT), which labeled itself a harbinger of moderate Islam, and was utilized to influence policymakers in the US government and academia – the likes of Paul Wolfowitz, Al Gore, Dick Cheney, Grover Norquist, Bill Cohen, Richard Perle, Madeleine Albright, William Perry, Colin Powell, Richard Holbrooke – the same individuals who would cry foul and threaten Malaysia with diplomatic consequences over Anwar’s six-year detainment after being charged with corruption.
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>>1280458Anwar, ambitious and aspiring to unseat Mahathir, paraded himself around Washington D.C. as the ideal stooge, a force for good that stood for democracy and free markets. Jonathan Smith vividly describes how US officials “often took with them the belief that if only Anwar were in charge in Malaysia, here at last could be a perfect Muslim democracy. American liberals – amusingly, overwhelmingly Jews – accepted Anwar’s projection at face value. To them, he was their tabula rasa: A Muslim who cared about the environment, about global peace and nuclear disarmament, about social justice – basically, about all of their core beliefs, yet never with any specific detail – Anwar was the noble savage for these men and women who likely believed Malaysia a tropical rainforest where the natives went around naked most of the time.” As time went on, Anwar embraced neoliberalism and more brazenly endorsed the values of the American establishment.
During the Asian financial crisis on 1997, Anwar implemented IMF austerity policies, including cutting government expenditures by 20 per cent, stripping funding from Mahathir’s enormous infrastructure projects that promised to bring Malaysia into the 21st century – a move that dismayed Mahathir and hastened Anwar’s departure from government, which happened dramatically in 1998. In the end, Mahathir rejected the IMF’s medicine and took credit for spearheading Malaysia’s recovery through currency controls and protectionist measures. After Anwar’s stint in prison, he based himself in Washington, where he chaired the Foundation for the Future, a US think-tank established by Elizabeth Cheney, Dick’s daughter. While Ibrahim was on trial for sodomy, Wolfowitz and Al Gore authored a joint opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal in support of Ibrahim, while the Washington Post published an editorial calling for consequences that would affect Malaysia’s relations with Washington if Ibrahim were to be found guilty. Ibrahim enraged many when he stated that he would support policy to protect the security of Israel in an interview with the Wall Street Journal; this is particularly controversial in Malaysia, where support for Palestine is largely unanimous. Malaysian political scientist Dr. Chandra Muzaffar argues:
“It is obvious that by acknowledging the primacy of Israeli security, Anwar was sending a clear message to the deep state and to Tel Aviv and Washington that he is someone that they could trust. In contrast, the [incumbent] Najib government, in spite of its attempts to get closer to Washington, remains critical of Israeli aggression and intransigence. Najib has described the Israeli government as a ‘serial killer’ and a ‘gangster’.”
Anwar Ibrahim’s closest allies outside of Washington and Riyadh are in Istanbul, where he enjoys close ties with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, both devout protégés of the House of Saud. Malaysia with Anwar Ibrahim at the helm would bare strong parallels to the political direction taken by Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party, which has steered secular Turkey’s domestic policy in a noticeably Islamist direction, while drifting steadily closer into the US-Saudi sphere of influence.
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The last part is really funny because IIRC Anwar in his first press conference after being sworn in as PM took a call from Erdogan directly in front of the camera LMAO.
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>>1280460Yea I keep reminding myself that PH is a capitalist party. Man I wish PSM can be a real alternative political bloc rather than a small party.
I kinda want to join them but I'm still afraid to do so because I'm studying in this purple university that is infamous for ethnonationalism and anti-communism/socialism
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>>1280458>>1280460the whole article felt too much of paying defense for the very corrupt Najib and UMNO and downplaying the precarious position the minorities are in Malaysia. Even when he brush off the Chinese as wealthier despite having lesser rights, yet ignores the Indian diaspora? Hell sus tbh.
>>1282079>Yea I keep reminding myself that PH is a capitalist party.Yea PH and DAP are just progressive bourgeois parties, parties that geniunely want noble goals but think liberal democracy can achieve said goals. Critical support for them and uncritical support for PSM for me.
>I kinda want to join them but I'm still afraid to do so because I'm studying in this purple university that is infamous for ethnonationalism and anti-communism/socialismYou can just donate to them and keep up to date on their ongoings. you can join once you leave the university.
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>>1282350Yeah the article is bad in that way but I think the info regarding Anwar is spot on. Dude was an islamist back in the old days and he definitely has connections to the muslim brotherhood, his connections to the west is known too. Here's some good threads with info about Anwar written by a malaysian.
https://nitter.pussthecat.org/tonytohcy/status/1595759319592468481https://nitter.pussthecat.org/tonytohcy/status/1596075061584498688>>1280647I think the analysis they come up with is too crude just like the article I posted but there's some good info in there that I didn't know about like the reporter who exposed 1mdb being mega sus. I don't know what to make of them downplaying 1mdb as if it wasn't the biggest financial scandal in SEA, embezzlement to the tune of billions of dollars. I'm more inclined to believe that the corruption is real but the west leaked it to leverage the situation to their geopolitical advantage.
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>>1282350Global research is a right liberal news site. It's not surprising in the slightest.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monks-meth-temple-thailand/Every monk in Thai temple defrocked after testing positive for methUn fucking believable
The absolute state of Buddhist fundamentalist monarchies
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>>1286037so what were they doing just chilling in the temple doing drugs?
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>>1286043If I had to guess, it's for sex parties.
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>>1289571By fucking a woman, the first principle (sila) is basically violated. That's because Indonesia is explicitly religious. Even on its constitution. It's also a sin. Why keep sinning when you can repent? You can be religious and leftist at the same time, it's just that capital had commodified religion to its own benefit. Liberation theology rules again!
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>>1291680Indonesia honestly needs an Iran tier protest.
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>>1286097The inorgasmia from the amphetamines would make an orgy hell though
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>>1286043if not for recreation people usually take it for productivity or for sexual purposes as people have already mentioned
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My god. Hell Joseon in Indonesia in coming.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-s-jokowi-points-to-taiwan-south-korea-as-economic-models-in-rebuke-of-westIndonesia’s Jokowi points to Taiwan, South Korea as economic models in rebuke of west>Indonesian President Joko Widodo said his nation will not follow a purely open economic model that he blamed for undercutting Latin America’s growth prospects for decades, saying Taiwan and South Korea show the advantage of making the world dependent on them. >“If we follow the footsteps of the Western countries, we will always be left behind, we will never catch up,” he said. “We will keep our economy open but once again, we need to be able to design it in such a way that other countries are reliant on us.” If Jodowi try anything funny the West would immediately restart the New Order. But it seems that he doesn't even understand why or how South Korea and Japan are the way they are.
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>>1289571>>1291680>>1292483>>1292659Indonesia have to be punished by catastrophes & disasters cuz what their govt & corporations done to their citizens. Last time I heard, there'll be some earthquakes & tsunami that like in Aceh but predicted shall happen in Java island from the southern sea of Java. May they reap what they sow. Amen.
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>>1292483Honestly though it won't gain traction here, it can only exist as a counterprotest, and that would surely be outnumbered by those radically religious people from all creeds and beliefs.
>>1292663Why should the citizens suffer for what they didn't do?
>>1292687It only hits the southern coast as you can see. Most affected: Yogyakarta, Pangandaran, Cilacap, Banyuwangi.
Partially affected: North coast including Jakarta. No severe damage though
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>>1292693>Why should the citizens suffer for what they didn't do?>It only hits the southern coast as you can see. Most affected: Yogyakarta, Pangandaran, Cilacap, Banyuwangi. Partially affected: North coast including Jakarta. >No severe damage thoughAbsolutely, that's the answer.
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>>1292705Elaborate context please?
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>>1292693>>1292705nO SeVeRe dAmAgE ThOuGhScrew you both, mad maggot. I got family & relatives near the coast. And if we are going to die, likes of you shall suffer the impact too. Other news said it'll reach the palace & wreck every urbanites sites. We're not the only ones that doomed here, maggots.
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>>1292716>I got family & relatives near the coast. And if we are going to die, likes of you shall suffer the impact too. Other news said it'll reach the palace & wreck every urbanites sitesYou're totally LARPing here
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>>1292693>Honestly though it won't gain traction here, it can only exist as a counterprotest, and that would surely be outnumbered by those radically religious people from all creeds and beliefs.You would think that as well for Iran. But the protest just got worse and worse with each person killed. When people are tired enough even moderates would switch sides.
>>1293604>it's better to be thought bad, to be proven good than to be thought good, to be proven problematicMakes sense but for what tho. That's way too generalized. Unless you're talking about a certain party in 65 of course.
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>>1293696I remember seeing Iran being majority non believer at this point. It is not comparable with SEA Muslim states like Indonesia
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>>1293698>According to some surveys, almost all of Iran's 82,000,000 people[3] are Muslims, with 90 percent adhering to Shia Islam, and a majority of that Shia populace following the Twelver branch. Another 10 percent adhere to Sunni Islam, most of them being Kurds, Achomis, Turkmens and Baloch, living in the northwest, northeast, south and southeast, respectively.[4] A 2020 survey by the World Values Survey found that 96.6 percent of Iranians believe in Islam.[5] However, according to another 2020 online survey by the GAMAAN, there has been a sharp decline in religiosity in Iran, and only 40 percent of Iranians who took part of the online survey identified as Muslims.[6][7][8]A change in less than 10 years
>Islam is the largest religion in Indonesia, with 86.7% of the Indonesian population identifying themselves as Muslim in a 2018 survey.[2][3] Indonesia is the most populous Muslim-majority country, with approximately 231 million adherents.[4]<86.7%<96.6%That's not even mentioning the fact that GAMAAN is a meme liberal NGO in Holland.
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I will be in Ho Chi Minh City soon.
/SEA/ meetup on the lunar new year?
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>>1293814Lunar new year is on 1/22
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>>1293820Yeah I’m staying there for a month
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>>1293814Woah but for what occasion. I’m too busy in another part of the country by then.
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>>1293865Meet me wifeys family and visit communist stuff
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>>1294260My guess is to control netizens' behavior. Indonesian netizens are notoriously toxic, and the only way to stop them is by intimidating them. Indonesia is so used to fear.
>Offer for IndosWhere does Syakinah come from? Malaysia?
>>1293863Oh, that's a good thing! Any plans to travel to Hanoi?
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>>1293869Around HCM you can see the Iron Triangle, the Củ Chi tunnels. The Côn Đảo and Phú Quốc prisons are like gitmo but worse just to understand how terrible the US was.
>>1294260https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/6/indonesia-passes-legislation-outlawing-sex-outside-marriageThey banned sex outside mariage.
https://gulfbusiness.com/what-we-know-about-indonesias-digital-rupiah/And also crypto because Jokowi is a retard.
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>>1294358>crypto basedjust western union 2.0.
>They banned sex outside mariage.violation of national ideology pancasila. you must understand its politics before commenting so you can understand why can dpr do such.
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>>1294344Yes going all over. Want to cross the border into Laos as well
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>>1294344I think she is Malaysian
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>>1294358Thanks I’ll visit those spots. You know any other good historical spots from anywhere else in the country?
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>>1294751>violation of national ideology pancasila. you must understand its politics before commenting so you can understand why can dpr do such.Defending dpr now, I see. You're glow so bright from the very beginning, fake red Indo. Leave people's sex business & your prudism somewhere else, purity balls. If people want to go nudist on the streets or close their clothes, then so be it. Let them fucking do it both. But yeah, dpr done a good work nowadays while the country's instability growing ever near to collapse.
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>>1295972That's what I learned at school mate, those are the reasons behind the bans. For me personally I just don't care if they want to ban sex outside marriage or legalize and even encourage it. Just giving my personal opinions
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>>1296762>book "Can't we just print more money ?"Let me guess it's a pro austerity "Muh inflation" myth repacked ?.
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>>1296762my uygha read 1-7% of the books and gave up, respect
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>new criminal code passed
yep. more reason to be an anarchist.
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>>1296762>most by the number Asian ceo drivel Why are western educated fags like this?>>1296928
>you can’t have sex now lolLeast prudish Muslim country. And of course tourists are exempt from this.
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>>1297699I bet local Christoids are backing this too. Indonesia is extremely religious even from the start. Credits to Pancasila for this.
Speaking of Pancasila what are your thoughts on this? I'd love to hear from you, Bogger.
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A lot to unpack there. From an obviously Vietnamese perspective in which Sun Yatsen republicanism was wide spread in the early days of anti colonial struggles and further enforcement of it into Vietnamese and Chinese communist revolutions I can see pancasila as an amalgamation of welfare republicanism and Japanese style fascism. Which the latter aspect is strengthened and continued to be enshrined during and after the New Order. I think it’s better off to start with the main predecessor of Pancasila being the Panca Dharma in which 3 of those was kept and 1 slightly modified (the pledge of allegiance to japan was of course discarded):
>we will establish a nation of Free Indonesia, with full respect for the service/assistance from Japan and will remain a member of the Co-Prosperity Sphere;
<Kebangsaan Indonesia/Persatuan Indonesia
The will to establish a free nation was now enshrined as the patriotism and united Indonesia. It’s quite innocuous at first glance and even under Sukarno it probably is purely a drive to unite Indonesia into a free nation. However the new order and current post New order “democracy” had demonstrably twisted it into some form of grotesque justification for colonialism in west guinea. Because as it stands because now West Guinea is given to Indonesia by the western imperialists, it meant that the people there trying to fight back is seen as a deliberate attack and declaration of secession against the entire nation of Indonesia.
I can draw the parallel to how the Chiang Kaishek KMT has twisted Sun Yatsen desires of a republican Chinese Nationalism (民族主義) into a form of ultra imperialist Han supremacy ideology that intended to subjugate all formerly held subjects of the Qing empire as well as assimilation of all people within those national boundaries.
>we will endeavor to advance high morality and our culture;
<Internasionalisme -> Kemanusiaan yang adil dan beradab
As we have seen from the current laws almost all context set up by Sukarno regarding the civilized culture by way of internationalism is lost. In its place is the gages of “civilization” under moral guard similar to the Japanese collaboration declarations. And what better morals than religious fundamentalism? Which leads us to…
>we will give eternal service to the nation and people with all our strength and with devotion to Allah;
<Ketuhanan yang Berkebudayaan -> Ketuhanan yang Maha Esa
Even though the “divinity” itself is technically ambiguous. The original meaning stayed and was used as the backbone of the entire system to this day. Even though Sukarno had clarified that the divinity also allows for atheism and no religion, but as time passed this clarification was thrown by the wayside. The divinity itself can also be interpreted as the state itself which even without getting into semantics all classes united in a state is in large part extremely class collaborationist. The welfare state and deliberate democracy in which seems to be completely inspired by the 2 last principles of sun yatsen that is 民權主義 (for Musyawarah Mufakat) and 民生主義 (for Kesejahteraan Sosial). Because it was only formulated by a speech people like Suharto can mold it to whatever they want. Of course this is just my personal take on it.
>Pancasila democracy endeavors to strike a balance between the interests of the individual and those of society. It seeks to prevent the oppression of the weak by the strong, whether by economic or political means. Therefore, we hold that Pancasila is a socio-religious society. Briefly its major characteristics are its rejection of poverty, backwardness, conflicts, exploitation, capitalism, feudalism, dictatorship, colonialism[,] and imperialism. This is the policy I have chosen with confidence.
I honestly love how the New Order was all of the things he claimed to reject. Literally everything he listed the New Order committed.
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>>1298868Suharto is just a pro-business dictator who develops Indonesia only to embezzle some of the funds. So much for Bapak Pembangunan Indonesia. I bet every single project done under his era like the Jagorawi and Jakarta-Merak toll roads are marred with said phenomenon
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>>1301946>Thailand as it is now is near hopeless.In what regard?
The main task now is simply moving away from monarchy and away from the endless cycle of political violence and dominance.
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>>1305714Not as easy as it sounds. You've got to mind the local ethnic Chinese bourgeoisie
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>>1305802If only he hadn't seek help from China who literally was friend with the Marcos dynasty from the start.
>>1305714Ending the military power structure set up since 1933. It's fucking ridiculous how whenever anyone even left of a rabid yellow shirt got voted in it's a coup. Pridi was only a fucking progressive liberal and even he got coup'ed.
There has been 12 different military coups by now. It's getting increasingly idiotic.
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Thailand's weed legalization is really incredible. They put absolutely no regulations on cannabis and now kids getting their hands on it lead to people calling for it's immediate recrimination. Every other place that legalized at least put up similar guardrails to what existed for alcohol, but not Thailand lol. Is this how the Thai political system handles everything else too?
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>>1307107Is this real? Post news
No.1307289
>>1307203>Vietnam againReally deserves the position as ASEAN's leader
and a major regional power representing Southeast Asia. At least until those anticommunist laws get reformed - no, repealed! - in Indonesia for once more.
No.1308385
>>1307198>>1307107Sounds like just teething problems tbh
No.1308388
>>1308128lol it doesn't even show up in the description section on his wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Najib_Razak No.1308478
>>1308128>>1308388Everyday Najib is alive and out of its prison, everyday Bolehland is a joke to me.
No.1308880
>>1308478That’s not even talking about the Anwar sodomy charges
>Malaysian beaten him to unconsciousness >gave him a handjob>stole his cum>smeared the cum onto a waitress’ skirt to frame himEverything Najib and friends did was like a comedy show.
No.1310374
>>1310148>From a scale between 1 to 10,how is /SEA/ reacting to the recent Japanese remilitarization and the possibility that South East Asia will get dragged into a war between PRC and Japan (again)?Just hold on a minute, what Japan has done now in modern world for South East Asia, so you people believe its not deserve to has the right to defend itself? You think China will just make entire SEA region as its allies & won't colonize all of you?
Yeah, Japan was bad. America was bad. But things are changing. How can you be so sure 100% that China won't become another imperialist?
No.1310378
>>1310148>From a scale between 1 to 10,how is /SEA/ reacting to the recent Japanese remilitarization and the possibility that South East Asia will get dragged into a war between PRC and Japan (again)?It's nothingburger. Both sides won't risk another war. It'll be just boring & lame but safe trade war as usual.
No.1310568
>>1310148We should be 8 but we are at 3 coz we are pretty divided and distracted.
No.1310733
>>1310148>personal takeThey really need to find middle ground. A war between both countries will surely devolve into WW3.
No.1310996
>>1310148Concerning but not surprising in the slightest. Japan has been under a right wing nationalist coalition since 1945. More likely that they will attempt to colonize South Korea again due to that country's dying population and sea routes needing big navy protections.
Not to mention the entire structure of chaebol and military dictatorship in the RoK are made out of Korean collaborators to Japanese rule (chinilpas) like Park "esoteric cult leader" Chunghee and Syngman "rat bastard" Rhee.
>In the immediate liberation of Korea, American General Douglas MacArthur initially requested that the Japanese colonial authorities and their Korean trainees continue to run Korea until natives could be trained to replace them. Nonetheless, Korean outrage did lead to the former being purged, but many of the latter chinilpa were able to hold onto their positions. Similar to the United States' incomplete denazification of Germany and reverse course in Japan, the United States Military Government of Korea saw these right-wing chinilpa officials as useful in light of the nascent Cold War and deteriorating situation in the Korean Peninsula.[4]
>The Special Committee for Prosecution of Anti-National Offenders (banmin teugwi, 반민특위) was set up in 1948 to prosecute the chinilpa. It handled 682 cases; 559 cases were handed over to a special prosecutor's office, which handed down indictments in 221 cases. A special tribunal tried 38 cases, sentenced guilty verdicts and punishments in 12 cases including one death sentence. Eighteen others had their civil rights suspended, six others were declared innocent and the remaining two were found guilty but were exempted from punishment. However, the Supreme Court suspended their execution in March 1950, just before the Korean War.[5]
>The dictator at that time, Syngman Rhee, sabotaged and dissolved the banmin teugwi.[6] Under Rhee's regime and in subsequent governments, many of them enjoyed the same wealth and power they had under Japanese rule. Rhee employed many in government and military in order to combat North Korea and communist sympathizers in South Korea. The next of South Korea's prominent dictators, Park Chung-hee, was himself a chinilpa who served in the Imperial Japanese military system.[7] During the Cold War, chinilpa was seen as a somewhat taboo subject given that many authorities were at one time collaborators themselves, and thus criticism of chinilpa could be seen as questioning the legitimacy of the regime.[8] Similar pressure to silence was also applied to some chinilpa literary figures.[9]>>1310374>How can you be so sure 100% that China won't become another imperialist? They already is. The Weimar republic variety.
No.1311948
>>1311728Fuck Britain, their actions in the colonial era still rocks SEA politics in the worst ways.
No.1311950
>>1311728Myanmar's clusterfuck of a civil war can easily be summarized by noticing Aung San Suu Kyi's "pro-democracy" ilk are filled with fucking british and american foreign policy ghouls as a part of encircling China and establishing a pro western hold in south east asia. Everything else are pretty much political groups taking advantage of the chaos that is currently ensuing.
No.1311964
>>1311957Don't forget
>Actively corrupting People Action Party and then siding with them against Barisan Sosialis for a disastrous merger with Malaya. No.1312457
Merry Christmas from /SEA/. It is a free Monday for me!
No.1312601
>>1312457Merry Christmas! Have a nice weekend, too! May God bless you all!
No.1315035
>>1313891
Well then why won't you just kill yourself, doomer? Embrace optimism - light comes after darkness!!!
No.1316613
>>1316610>Prince has same age as me (2005)>Nearly Rp50M apparelProbably Rama X's spoiled child. Might as well see people bowing down to him while being in a literal Irish pub or French winery. Also maybe Thais love (or are forced to love) the monarchy (former: so much that they don't want that shit to go away)?
So much for the barrel communists…
No.1319556
Happy new year, lads…
No.1319557
>>1317863Phew, finally things can go back to normal. What makes itnso controversial in the first place btw?
No.1320259
>>1320145Oh, I see. That's why it caused a lot of uproar back when the law is planned - and gets passed.
No.1325094
>>1319557>Phew, finally things can go back to normal. What makes itnso controversial in the first place btw?What's this about again?
>>1320259>Oh, I see. That's why it caused a lot of uproar back when the law is planned - and gets passed.What law?
No.1325096
>>1325094Are you ironic here m8?
No.1325099
>>1325096>Are you ironic here m8?I'm sorry?
No.1325137
>>1325094>What's this about again?It's about a set of draconian laws that harm workers here in Indonesia.
>What law?This one
>>1317863Although it can't be sure that the workers situations seems getting any better too here after that emergency laws. Just like this
>>1320145 said
>>1325096>Are you ironic here m8?Take meds
>>1325099>I'm sorry?It's alright. There are too many lurkers schizos around here.
No.1325141
>>1325099Oh I thought you're some pretender here in the /SEA/ thread
>>1325137>Take medsCalm down
>Although it can't be sure that the workers situations seems getting any better too here after that emergency lawsWith laws or without laws it seems like it ain't gonna improve until Indonesia finally becomes socialist
No.1329866
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/indonesia-jokowi-regret-human-rights-violations-suharto-chinese-papua-3197686JAKARTA: Indonesian President Joko Widodo acknowledged on Wednesday (Jan 11) a series of incidents amounting to "gross human rights violations" had taken place in his country's past, including the bloodshed and arrests that took place in 1965 and 1966.
In one of the darkest periods of Indonesia's history, some historians and activists have estimated at least 500,000 people were killed in violence that started in late 1965 after then-general Suharto and the military took power following an abortive communist coup. A million or more people were jailed, suspected of being communists.
"With a clear, genuine mind and conscience, I as a head of state acknowledge that there were gross human rights violations that did happen in many events," he said.
"And I strongly regret that those violations occurred."
The president, commonly known as Jokowi, cited 11 other incidents, spanning a period between 1965 and 2003 prior to his tenure as leader, including the shooting dead and abduction of students during protests against Suharto's three-decade rule in the late 1990s.
Students leading the protests were targeted and there were also many victims during this period from the Chinese community, a minority in the world's biggest Muslim-majority country and sometimes resented for their perceived wealth.
Jokowi said that the government would seek to restore the rights of victims "fairly and wisely without negating judicial resolving", though did not specify how.
The president also cited human rights violations in the restive region of Papua, noting his acknowledgment came after reading the results received from a team he formed in 2022 to investigate these violations.
Some activists remained sceptical and said acknowledgment and expression of regret were not sufficient without cases being legally resolved in court and perpetrators tried, noting cases had often been thrown out by the Attorney General's Office, which is tasked with investigating rights violations.
Any expression of regret must also include a reaffirmation that "serious crimes of the past need to be resolved rightly and justly through judicial means," said Usman Hamid of Amnesty International, adding victims needed to get reparation.
Previous presidents have also acknowledged such violations. Late President Abdurrahman Wahid apologised for the 1965 bloodshed, while President BJ Habibie formed a team to investigate the violence in 1998.
No.1330528
>>1329866Ah, another image-saving move. It all comes back to money like usual… Nine Dragons want dollars!!!
No.1330549
>>1330544The government had admitted that such actions happened. It's just that it wasn't Jokowi, rather it's Habibie, that acknowledged it. And he's certainly the only one to give them compensation (the 1999 referendum).
No.1330577
Bogger, have you ever visited Cambodia? If so, do stores accept riels as currency, contrary to what I see on the net that they instead use greenbacks?
CW Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/619qxo/howwhy_does_cambodia_use_usd_as_currency_when/Site:
https://www.movetocambodia.com/about-cambodia/currency/ No.1330587
>>1330577I mean even on the sites you mentioned they said that Cambodia is going through de dollarization. I've been there. It serves 2 purposes with one being to stregthen the local market and the other to make renminbi and Chinese investment easier. Basically if you pay for luxury shit people still accepted dolars but the rest is in riel. People in the country outside of tourist destinations only accept riels.
No.1334612
>>1334604I sympathize with them for their woes and what's interesting is that my parents told me that protesters like those rallying against the jobs law have nothing to do in their daily lives and so just gather in protests in order to enjoy their lives. And that Chinese Indonesians (me included) do not participate in protests for that very reason…
No.1334660
>>1334655It's the opposite. Thye think that said Chinese Indonesian could be harmed physically and psychologically (in the form of racism and its attacks) should they join the riots.
No.1334976
>>1334612>>1334660>And that Chinese Indonesians (me included) do not participate in protests for that very reasonWhile joining in the protests might be difficult, the Chinese Indonesians should do well to speak up and support said protestors least they become an easy scapegoat all over again…
No.1335489
>>1334976Especially noting that as an oppressed minority. The Chinese diaspora proletariat was instrumental in building southeast asian communist movements.
No.1335534
>>1334976The problem however lies in the recipients. Will those protesters (which are majority pribumi) accept such message owing to the longstanding issues between the Chinese and pribumis?
>>1335489>The Chinese diaspora proletariat was instrumental in building southeast asian communist movements.Another problem here, at least in Indonesia. Remember 25 / 1966? Now the revised criminal code has Article 188 where people may be sent to jail for spreading communist ideology
No.1335706
>>1335534The big problem with fixing long standing issues is the refusal to even attempt to fix it at all. Racism can't be fixed in a day but by a mass movement.
>Now the revised criminal code has Article 188 where people may be sent to jail for spreading communist ideologyI mean back in 1966 here, in South Vietnam being a communist meant death or torture with no trial. Even if you're a minor. But there's always workaround. For instance there's nothing stopping the spread of labor solidarity.
No.1336580
>>1336085He's very big on GDP=good. Never touched any big scandals but with the party direction going for more welfare and public infrastructure, the GDP focused economy is coming to a close.
Hopefully we can get back to Duan era internationalism.
>>1335534https://archive.ph/XxEEYSpeak of the devil. Another riot against Chinese business in Indonesia.
No.1337135
>>1336580Ty. I don't know a ton about the situation in Vietnam. This seems like a positive development.
No.1338934
>>1334612>And that Chinese Indonesians (me included) do not participate in protests for that very reasonInlander (pribumi) here and you're absolutely correct. The protests, while noble are not only extremely GLOWED (iirc gov used Jew spyware to hack notable protesters) but also hijacked by "guardians of Deen" uyghas since the death of populist Left means that the Ultraconservatived are the only ones standing up against neolib gangster capitalism here like in Syria before the civil war, and they are not going to tolerate any minorities, especially Chinese people.
Just flee from this shithole country man, there is no future left, i would've fled to Australia years ago if not for my fear of being lynched by some antipodean nazis hunting brown refugees
No.1338937
>>1338934The only good part about this i think is since we're smack dab in the middle of the India-China trade node the hegemonic powers won't allow us to turn into a second Syria since we're too strategically important, but i can see us sliding into an Erdogan or Modi-style bourgie dictatorship that constantly minority-baits to distract workers from their retard ass government policies. Its going to get so much worse from here
No.1338944
>25.6.22: Hatred for the US cannot become an excuse to back Russia>Xposted to Ukraine generalThe article claims that Russia's SMO to limit NATO's influence in its sphere is… indeed, imperialism. Usual both sides bad bullshit.
I bet the writer hasn't realised the fact that if Ukraine wins this war Russia will be exploited to its destruction!!!https://mojok.co/terminal/benci-amerika-serikat-nggak-bisa-dijadikan-alasan-untuk-dukung-agresi-rusia/ No.1339514
>>1338934>>1338937> sliding into an Erdogan or Modi-style bourgie dictatorship that constantly minority-baits to distract workers from their retard ass government policies.But we (as in South East Asia as a whole not just Indonesia) are already like this. In fact, I would say most liberal democracy are decaying into us, where elections matters even lesser and parties become a web of patronage than coherent ideology. FWIW, this protests like most in SEA can only mean a good thing, as an opportunity for class consciousness to increase. Even if Chinese people can be scapegoated, it isn't going to solve anybody's problems, and they would have to come to terms with class struggle, or die trying.
tbh the only real path forward for the Left in SEA is to adopt a localized verison of LATAM's "Socialism of the 21st century" , but that would mean paying a lot of lip service to electoralism than most of us are used to.
No.1339889
>>1339572
Is this the GS30 plot summarized?
No.1339919
>>133988930/9 and its aftermath
Fuck Langley
No.1340180
Yearly reminder that my prime minister eats alone tonight and it is solely his father fault. 🤣
No.1340554
>>1338934The Nazis in Australia are way way worse than the most intolerant Muslim of Indonesia my man. They straight up helped in the Indonesian occupation of its colonies. Back under the new order and now.
>>1339514To be fair Latam’s strategy is a straight tossup. It might work like in Venezuela and Bolivia. But the economy is rickety as hell. It might work like Lula of Brazil, but as seen by Anwar (just a slightly progressive lib) they’re ready to accuse him of being gay to just get rid of him, no fake corruption charges needed. It might literally changes nothing like Colombia and Ecuador. And it might not even work at all, like Peru, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Guyana.
>>1340339Have a great new year to you guys as well.
No.1340811
>>1340339Yea 新年快乐！🥳🥳🥳
>>1340554>To be fair Latam’s strategy is a straight tossup.Yea but that is due to respective strength of the Left in their country than a flaw of the overall strategy. Boric and Castillo may have the presidency but their base is much weaker than say Maduro and Castro (not the Cuba one)
No.1340829
happy new year :D
No.1345931
Anyone else got that El Nino effect? It is sibeh cold here.
No.1346427
>>1346372Oh yea i just checked, it is the La Niña effect that bringing the cool water to the SEA instead of to the Americas.
No.1346438
>>1346372>>1346427 (me)
Well whatever effect it is. This extreme cold weather is unnatural! Worse still, come July I will be woken up by the heat!.
I have never gone through such extreme weather here when I was a child…
No.1348108
>>1346757https://www.dw.com/en/how-does-climate-change-affect-el-niño-and-la-niña-cycles/a-64534667It’s the unusual movement of winds and sea currents in the Pacific Ocean. It’s been a thing for thousands of years but will likely hit harder with climate change.
We will definitely see huge droughts in Indonesia by May.
No.1349360
>>1349313…and that is why communism is still banned
to this day since most government officials only care about their money. Also most projects are mired in corruption.
No.1349987
>>1349900Blame all that shit to Suharto. I don't know if this is part of his cult of personality or not but in 1993 Suharto's government released a 50,000 note bearing his picture and his supposed "achievements" in both paper and polymer. Yesterday I saw it being sold for 90,000 in Pasar Baru
No.1350118
>>1349987True. I think with Sukarno, a maybe decent arrangement could've been set up with a more socialist or at least social democratics united Papua. But with how it is now especially with the further colonizing policy is in place, it's pretty hard to do that now because of how absolutely entrenched foreign business ventures are in West Papua mining.
No.1350164
>>1345931There's usually at least a few weeks of chilly weather during the rainy period of Nov-Jan every year. Still, its rare for it to be so cold that I can go for several days without using a fan or air-conditioning.
>>1346466Truly is no justice in the world. The great powers will do everything to safeguard themselves and the rest of us will eat dirt and suck mud.
No.1350188
>>1346466I know right? Especially with the Jakarta sinking issue. Meanwhile Agung Sedayu's still busy advertising houses for goddamn sale in an artificial island - and later, Teluknaga. The suburbs looked pretty much like American ones, with no public transportation and pavements whatsoever, just lanes lanes lanes (for I've been there). Furthermore, it caters to the middle class as a matter of fact. Which kind of suck ass considering that the local MC is nowhere near consciousness to socialism. 😭😭😭
No.1351451
>>1350188Vo Van Ai is dead today. Can anyone redpill me on him?
No.1351452
>>1351451Didn't mean to reply
No.1352107
>>1351941It's a fake memetic version of the government approved national Sangha. Instead of a community of buddhists, it's a gusano fundamentalist org demanding Vietnam to turn into a buddhist theocracy with western characteristics.
From choiced quotes from this tard:
>Communism is utopianism, a collection of all negative western philosophy from plato to marx. A non humanist ideology that only creates slavery. Creates people enslaved by the dreams of others, under the command of others. These others created it, so it forces people to lose all personal creativity and connection to the world, its creatures and the universe. Communism only rules other without acknowledging personal accomplishments. Marx's crtiques of western 20th century capitalism was humanist and egalitarian. But since Lenin used Marx's theory in the bolshevik of russia, then Stalin, Mao and HCM, communism has become hooliganism, politics ruled by thugs.This dude genuinely believed that communism killed gorrilion meme
No.1354579
So my old man & uncle always talk about how Soekarno loathe the Chinese, and they both libs simps for the current president. Just which Chinese they refer to? Singaporeans? Hong Kongers? I mean, sure Soekarno dislike foreign stuff, but probably its nothing more than Beatles or just Western culture. Also is there even discrimination against the Chinese while Soekarno ruled? Wasn't Indonesia a close ally to Mao & Khruschev?
No.1354628
>>1354579>In May 1959, the Sukarno government passed legislation revoking the trading rights of foreign nationals in rural areas; this was based on two previous, lower-level legislations.Basically the same thing happened in Vietnam post reunification. Because of the historic circumstances behind Asian feudalism and early colonial capitalism, the Chinese diaspora was disproportionately affected.
No.1355022
>>1354579>Also is there even discrimination against the Chinese while Soekarno ruledIf there are any it's much severe than nowadays but definitely smaller in scale compared to Suharto.
No.1359252
>>1359243Less Las Vegas and more Neo Macau. Basically a place for rich people from all over the mainland peninsula of SEA (and China) to gamble. Plus it's also the source of most scam operations using actual slave labor.
Leaving Cambodia and not taking Bangkok was a mistake.
No.1359260
>>1359252What's the deal with Cambodia btw? How did these uyghas transform from being a socialist country to becoming the Latvia of the East? Did the viets fuck them up that badly???
No.1359269
>>1359260Short explanation:
>The Geneva agreement was stonewalled by China and the Soviets Union >Because Cambodia doesn't border China they saw no reason to give the communists a liberated region like Vietnam and Laos>Most of the leaderships stayed in Ha Noi while the lower level cadres fought>Pol Pot and gang took over in the power vaccum turning the party ultranationalist with a maoist facade>Post 1975 he decided to get rid of the Maoists and the MLs>The Maoists got wiped out but the MLs ran into Vietnam>Cambodia invaded and got stomped to the ground>Pol Pot and Sihanouk got funding by China and the US to wage guerrila in the newly established people's republic>The conflict was extremely draining for Vietnam both economically and militarily>By 1986 it was decided to let the anticommunist back into election by putting Neutralist Hun Sen into power and sidelining the pro Vietnam communists>Now it is run by the highest bidder to Hun Sen (currently China)Hun Sen is a corrupt bastard but like Yanukovych he doesn't take any clear side. China is fine with him but they want the ex khmer rouge to win the election after he's gone. The US wants to replace him with ex Lon Nol libs.
No.1359271
>>1359269Reminds me of how comrade Mao described Pol Pot
Young people make many mistakes don't know if I would have done better at his age
No.1360084
>>1359271Oh please pol pot and Ieng sary knew full well what they were doing. He straight away ignored Mao's advice to read Marx from the start. Kang Sheng chose him due to him being a fascist in red garb.
No.1360729
>>1360706The wikipedia article is the only context anyone has ever brought them up on leftypol
No.1361782
>>1360729actually existing (on a two-paragraph long wiki article) socialism
No.1370128
>>1369098Indonesia should be splintered more tbh.
No.1370559
>>1370492>Is fighting for Papua unification a communist cause?Depends on the fighting party's ideology
>Definitely an anti imperialist one with how much it is continuously exploited for resources by Indonesia and AustraliaPretty much considering Papua's rich NRs
>The only way the country can modernize and escape the forceful poverty.Agreed on this
>All the Indonesian gold reserves needs to be handed back to them.So should Australia's.
No.1371773
>>1369098>Why should West Papua be freed from Indonesia although in a twist of irony it's once a Dutch possession?That literally doesn’t make any sense. Would all ex French and ex British colonies be the same countries then? Should Malaysia annex Singapore and Myanmar? Should Vietnam annex Cambodia and Laos? This is just stupid perpetuation of colonialism. Like a former slave becoming slave master.
>>1371070New Order still alive and well
No.1372354
>>1371070is it in the fiction section at least
No.1373181
>>1371773>That literally doesn’t make any sense. Would all ex French and ex British colonies be the same countries then? Should Malaysia annex Singapore and Myanmar? Should Vietnam annex Cambodia and Laos? This is just stupid perpetuation of colonialism. Like a former slave becoming slave master.Yes. Hell yeah! Screw with em. Vietnam did colonized Cambodia for a while, although their agenda's want to unite all Indochina into some sort of like SEA Yugoslavia state. But they failed, because of what? Dengbros scums sides with burgers & proved that these tree huggers Vietnamese just lost their strength afterwards. Hell you should've never abandon Cambodia & expand all of your influence to entire Indochina in order to get rid of those dengbros scums.
Then how about Singapore or Myanmar, you said? Well Singapore's like SEA Israel & look how Myanmar now? A junta regime full of liberals suckers & monks scums vs the sandnikkers.
Even after US fall later, China is just another imperialist waiting to fall in line just like the rest of imperialists. If US fall, mind you. If not, well then we just need to see Russia fall because of their own mediocre efforts to take over Ukraine for good. And when the time is arrive, even China can't do any shit after US along with Australian fleet also with their goons & drones start preparing invasion towards the China's mainland.
Hell, even Vietnam won't hesitate to help their former imperialist for they'll be given some territories within China. How about those gooks? Koreans? Hah, NK is not a problem. US can annex them easily, modern warfare now can just wipe out entire enemies with almost zero casualties. Because there's no such thing as peace, even when USSR still around.
No.1373547
>>1373181Death to the mainland, as usual /s
No.1373952
>>1372354It's on the biographical section that's like intertwined with history iirc
No.1374181
Are there any direct democratic political mechanisms in Vietnam's governmental system, or is it all indirect?
Except for cooperatives (which I would group as direct democratic economic mechanisms)
No.1374191
>>1373181>Vox I don’t like China but come on now. It’s literally a site made by the leaders of the US proud boys.
>Muh indochinese federations Bullshit Cambodian conspiracy theory. It is completely unworkable due to already existing bad blood of the Nguyen dynasty and completely different cultural spheres. It’s why Ho went against the comintern in the first place and split the CPI up because of this.
Even if a type of federalism is formed it will collapse just like Yugoslavia. The best scenario possible is a bunch of separate independent socialist states. Either you unify every state into one big unitary entity or keep it an alliance of sorts. Never federalism.
No.1374364
>>1374191He is probably the doomposter that loves advocating for Western intervention on global South states
>And when the time is arrive, even China can't do any shit after US along with Australian fleet also with their goons & drones start preparing invasion towards the China's mainland.>US can annex North Korea easily, modern warfare now can just wipe out entire enemies with almost zero casualties. Because there's no such thing as peace, even when USSR still around.He's a crypto-liberal if you may ask
No.1375336
Found this in 62chan:
>kembalikan orde baru, kobarkan semangat 98, ganyang komunisme, bakar cina
The question is that why are pribumis so obsessed with burning minorities’ properties? Aren't they just showing to the world that they are vile on the long term?
No.1376456
>>1376442>Is this what suharto delusions get youNTA but probably because of him, also the longstanding animosity towards the Chinese due to the fact that the Dutch used them as economical pawns to keep white supremacy alive while the inlanders are doomed to be oppressed
No.1378843
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/jokowi-tells-indonesians-to-spend-as-much-as-possible-as-consumption-dips>“They don’t want to shop, don’t want to come to restaurants, don’t want to come to markets, don’t want to come to malls – no, better keep it in the bank,” Mr Widodo said.>“This is not allowed. We must encourage the public to spend as much as possible to trigger our economic growth.”PLS CONSUME>>1376456It's basically the same here. Except Ming loyalist refugees were also used as colonizers and explorers of the deep south here by the Nguyen lords then later the French. Leading to how Saigon (now HCM city) was economicall structured to favor te diaspora disproportionally.
We can also see this phenomenon with Indian clerks and merchants (notably Sikhs) beig used and guards, soldiers and economic oppressors of British Africa. Another trick of colonialism is to use the oppressed against each other.
No.1380107
>>1378843Top clown. Great job, Jokowi. You relaly want to make the people suffer while you and your compadres prosper, amirite?
No.1396524
>>1396488>>1396489o7
what does it say on that guy's sweater? 2002?
No.1398171
>>1397551
Everybody hates Javanese overeach. It isn't just them. The Aceh region also wants to secede too IIRC. Indonesia is a really big place.
No.1398972
>>1398171>The Aceh region also wants to secede too IIRCThey signed a peace agreement back in 2005 and now is the most conservative Indonesian province.
>Javanese outreachNot just that but 30th of September 1965 really retarded the development of this nation. Know ye that Suharto is the most corrupt leader not just in Indonesian history but also in world history.
>Indonesia is a really big placeDoesn’t matter. The USSR did well unifying their populace all until Gorbashit.
>Everybody hates Javanese overeach. It isn't just themDon’t really know about it (since I live in the capital) but maybe there are several regions out there that are neglected by the Java-centric development strategies of past Indonesian administrations, I hope newer leaders have the incentive to develop outer islands, especially Papua, where it’s still underdeveloped and overexploited to the point of cultivating a very well-organised separatist movement known as the KKB (armed criminal group) or OPM depending on which source you read.
>>1398413>They were invaded and occupied by indons by force dumbass. <Dutch betterThat's not going to end well hadn't Indos Trikora’d Irian Jaya and leave it to the Dutch. Furthermore who did Tirkora? It’s Sukarno. A committed anti-imperialist. Sadly 30.9.1965 happened and a neo-imperial Indonesia is what’s left of it. Sukarno would’ve given prosperity to Papua and let them develop the region and liberate Australian New Guinea back in the day shouldn’t the coup happen
The thing is all when different after the coup, and I’m glad that the American bank system starts to collapse like dominoes in a show
>Just for them and the Australians can plunder the gold and prescious metal reserves.Read: 30 September 1965
>That and the fact that Indonesian special forces and their Australian counterparts can't stop torturing west papua people as they're second class citizens.You did forgot East Papua which is a literal Australian colony up to 1975
>>1397551Combine underdevelopment with sentiments of independence dating from the 1960s as a separate nation and a culturally different region that Java. Sukarno is a committed antimp that really wanted to unify all former Dutch territories in Southeast Asia, hence the capture of Papua. This is why Sukarno never wanted Timor Leste as it’s once a Portuguese colony, not Dutch.
No.1401115
>>1398972> Doesn’t matter. The USSR did well unifying their populace all until Gorbashit.The USSR can only be comparable to Indonesia back under Sukarno. It’s a far cry from it now. Back then there were still some semblance that Indon supremacy won’t be a thing and welfare for all. Now it’s a corporate nightmare that destroyed everything for capital national and international. The new order turned what once was a dream for a United Indonesia into something of a rusty pair of iron chains on the backs of its people and its colonial subjects.
Gorbashit actually resembles Sukarno in that they’re both social democrats. Ironic.
>That's not going to end well hadn't Indos Trikora’d Irian Jaya and leave it to the Dutch. Furthermore who did Tirkora? It’s Sukarno. A committed anti-imperialist.The problem with Sukarno from a communist viewpoint is that he still followed the path of non alignment. Something seems well at the time but in retrospect a disaster for global anti imperialism. Algeria got tricked by the French and coup’ed. Yugoslavia collapsed way more spectacularly than the ussr itself.
Another was that Sukarno followed the same borders that their colonial power had given them. A Papua cut apart by pencil lines drawn in disregard of the people in it and entirely according to the plundering of natural resource. Something that is still causing huge conflicts in Asia, Africa and MENA to this day.
>Sadly 30.9.1965 happened and a neo-imperial Indonesia is what’s left of it. Sukarno would’ve given prosperity to Papua and let them develop the region and liberate Australian New Guinea back in the day shouldn’t the coup happenSure but the coup can’t be the end all be all of analysis. There’s always problems inwards and outwards. The PKI died because of their loyalty to the idea of winning through rigged ballots. Sukarno was outmaneuvered by the fascist Suharto goons because he didn’t expect that he would unite the Islamic fundamentalists and the military against him and the PKI using his own words and teachings of unity as an excuse for genocidal colonialism.
No.1403022
Burgeria threatens the Solomon Islands w/ invasion if they ask the Chinese to build military base there
No.1404470
>>1403022>Ya Viene YakartaAlways have been the case, "US cuckoldry wins again" (I hope the US becomes bankrupt)
No.1407941
>>1407906>strengthen discipline>government schoolIt's a project, of which is synonymous with corruption and embezzlement here. Also, bonus points because it's being done by non-Java provincial officials of whom receive less income. They then resort to corruption. It's the case here.
No.1408039
>>1403022Can we just not have countries built military bases in places they don’t own? Is that such a hard ask?
Yes, China shouldn’t be building the floating bases in Nanyang hai. No.1408189
>>1408045>If anything Suharto’s new order is what all free market capitalism is heading towards.…and it fell disgracefully in 1998, although his legacy still lives on, sadly.
No.1408190
>>1408039>Yes, China shouldn’t be building the floating bases in Nanyang hai.China should respect SEA nations’ EEZs.
No.1408193
>>1408189Salim group never died. They’re still there. While the Indonesian army still has the capability to just takeover in a coup to restore another new order.
No.1408232
>>1408193>Salim group never died. They’re still thereIt's one of the most powerful families here. Know the 9 Dragons - not only them but also the Riady family, the Sedayu boys, &c…
>While the Indonesian army still has the capability to just takeover in a coup to restore another new order.I don't think they're going to do that. If anything if the elites really want to restore maximum power they just disseminate pro-
PKS media to the people and thus vote Anies Baswedan (backed by the US) to office. Aaaaaaaaaaand… there you go.
No.1409223
>year 2137
>PAP still in power
What causes this?
No.1409801
>>1409223Refer to
>>1274272 ‘s screencap. Also PAP is in terminal decline. 2015 is the only good result they had in a very long time.
>>1409642Nah the ‘westernized democracy that mordernisation theory approves of tend to be multiparty like Worst Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Indonesia and to a lesser extent Thailand.
No.1409824
>>1408232>I don't think they're going to do that. If anything if the elites really want to restore maximum power they just disseminate pro-PKS media to the people and thus vote Anies Baswedan (backed by the US) to office. Aaaaaaaaaaand… there you go.And succumbing to candidates backed by China is a better option, hmm?
No.1409826
>>1409824It's a better option, don't think China as this evil Imperial Japanese power like how those Westoids portray as frequently in media. It had done a lot of progress in Latin America and Africa, it's an agent of multipolarity. Better not to succumb to both sides bad lies, lest you'll be referred to as a liberal!
No.1409830
>>1409829I don't know what the local geopolitical situation is in Indonesia or SEA in general, but from my own lived experience its better to play ball with both China and the US to secure maximum leverage over them
No.1409841
>>1409824>Choosing different 5th columnsAnon we don't all live in Europe.
>>1409826>it's an agent of multipolarityLast time that was a status quo, Belgian Congo was a thing. It's a meaningless concept.
No.1418570
>>1415937>Too bad we don't end up like Yugoslavia. Maybe if somehow we got separate each others & got balkanized everywhere, someday there'll be Neo-Majapahit who unite all of us again.The Dutch will inevitably come back. They'll exploit us all. Also, do you think balkanisation is good? It's the literal strategy used by them to conquer the country and exploit all its citizens. Indonesia must stay united, not divided. And Papua should unite with PNG and remain separate.
>>1415777>I wish…A moderate solution would be a pro-China OPS which is the upgraded variant of Sukarno's presidency
>>1415839>Plot twist: Fascist Indonesia colonized Revolutionary IndonesiaIt already happened once, have you read Andre Vltchek's works yet?
No.1419332
>>1418767Yeah, and they coexist with fundamentalist Christians. Take for example Surabaya's Iin Tjipto, who talks like a Republican.
No.1420702
>>1419332>Surabaya's Iin TjiptoWho?
No.1421134
>>1418767Blame the saudis for bankrolling that kind of unhealthy insane islamism. They are even attempting to subvert the matriarchal Cham Islam to their wahhabism.
>>1419332Religious fundamentallism is a plague upon mankind.
No.1421428
>>1415788Is this real? Never knew that Madrid is so popular in Indonesia.
No.1422354
>>1422230>Marcos Jr, aka the literal son of MarcosWhat do you expect less from him?
No.1422357
>>1422354 (contd)
That is the equivalent of electing Tommy Suharto into office!
No.1423495
>no one posted Luna and EJ's translation yet
also the Black Book of Communism thread still would like volunteers to check it for grammar and also the text by uncle Ho that VietAnon has translated >>1283126
No.1435427
>>1435225Just an unfortunate symptom that China wants to project over SEA just like America.
No.1439002
Update on the West Papua pilot situation. Apparently he was used as bait for an ambush.
https://menafn.com/1106025409/Reports-Of-Deadly-Ambush-In-Papua-Shake-Indonesian-MilitaryReports Of Deadly Ambush In Papua Shake Indonesian Military>Papuan rebels have reportedly killed or captured up to 15 Indonesian soldiers in an ambush in the mist-shrouded central highlands and close to where tribal gunmen have been holding a New Zealand pilot hostage for more than two months.>If confirmed, it is one of Indonesia's worst military setbacks, raising fears of a massive retaliation as security forces look for missing soldiers, most of whom are believed to be members ofthe elite Indonesian Special Forces (Kopassus).
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2551919/indonesian-seeks-missing-soldiers-after-papua-attackBASED BEYOND BELIEF No.1439027
>>1435596Was there any talk about making Singapore less of a fascist shithole?
No.1439261
https://www.rt.com/news/574945-us-washington-vietnam-china/You know, why can't Vietnam do like India or rather China during the Sino-Soviet split, play both sides and do a techie transferino from America, get some of dat semiconductor talent and knowledge and become Asian Tiger 2.0?
No.1439265
>>1435427>unfortunate symptom?
No.1439344
>>1439027There are other platforms for that.
No.1439589
>>1439261Because Vietnam is tiny? Plus fighting the Chinese, the Khmer nazis, the rest of Asean and America took a toll.
That's not even mentioning the gorbachev affairs where they keep sending saboteurs under him demanding multi party shit.
Asian tigers had the benefit of relatively no war and infinite handouts.
No.1439706
>>1439689Just flood the whole city and be done with it. Indonesia is too reliant on Java anyway.
No.1439756
Welp the Indon Kopassus who went "missing" after the ambush are confimred to be dead.
https://www.mrt.com/news/world/article/indonesia-recovers-bodies-of-4-troops-killed-in-17907725.php>>1439689How is the highspeed rail project going? Last time I heard they're trying to build more metros with the MRT entering phase 2.
No.1439840
>>1439756>How is the highspeed rail project going? Last time I heard they're trying to build more metros with the MRT entering phase 2.Dormant. Corruption, embezzlement, money laundry, etc. Hell even the last HSR bullet train from China with Jakarta - Bandung route ain't reach Bandung capital. Too many bastards here, well at least they accelerating & exposing our regime incompetence. Which in turn, shall lead to its downfall.
No.1440072
>>1439706>Tfw sounding like a liberal by implying that other countries are far betterDon't be fooled anon
No.1440097
>>1439002Kek. absolutely rekt.
Bangkok Post is a dirty Yellows rag though. So whatever they say I imagine they are downplaying to the extreme.
No.1440163
>>1440072Even big countries aren't crippling their self-development by pooling everything into one region.
No.1440519
>>1440097Yup they definitely downplayed the failure. Because the claims of the rebels are being begrudgingly confirmed by the indonesian military. 3 more confirmed dead now.
https://archive.is/EsmQP>On April 15, fighters from the West Papua National Liberation Army (TPNPB), the armed wing of the Free Papua Movement, opened fire on a group of 36 soldiers on patrol in Nduga Regency, a center of separatist activity in Highland Papua province. According to some international media reports, at least six died and 21 others fled into the jungle following the attack, while nine soldiers are believed to have been captured by the rebels.>Initially, army spokespeople only confirmed one death – that of a soldier who was shot and fell into a ravine. In a statement, Papua military spokesperson Col. Herman Taryaman confirmed that the bodies of this soldier, and the three recovered since “have been evacuated” from the area. Five wounded troops who were found the previous day had also been airlifted out. The Indonesian army says that the remaining troops have returned to their nearby base.>The announcement came a day after Adm. Yudo Margono, Indonesia’s military chief, dismissed a TPNPB claim that more than a dozen government soldiers has been killed during the ambush. In a statement on Monday, rebel spokesperson Sebby Sambom said in the TPNPB fighters were in possession of the remains of the 12 soldiers, including nine who he said “were arrested and executed” after being captured in the ambush.>>1439840What a shit show
>Jakarta - BandungWait the route to Bandung isn't done yet? What the fuck! I actually thought that they're almost finish building the entire line and the Jakarta - Bandung is already operational.
No.1440792
>>1439840>Too many bastards here, well at least they accelerating & exposing our regime incompetence. Which in turn, shall lead to its downfall.Who should replace it? Another colonial government? And where do you want to go once this regime falls, to Europe? Go ahead, liberal.
No.1440825
>>1440792>Who should replace it? Another colonial government? And where do you want to go once this regime falls, to Europe? Go ahead, liberal.Look at this dude, what are you? Some kind of diehard patriot nuts? Another Indo fed that told the same shit about flee to Europe with their family if things gone worse? You seem unable to admit that this so called
"lesser-evil regime" of yours won't last long. No wonder you defended them.
Colonial regime? Absolutely.
Indonesia indeed, a part of colonial regime who became a puppet of imperialists that oppressed & colonized its own citizens for their oligarchs families benefits.Also Indonesians themselves tired pretending its not.
No.1440869
>>1440825>Love your country? You're automatically a fed! Therefore we should not save Indonesia - at all! We should never do praxis!You have no place here if you keep on doomposting. We want progress, not regress. Go back to Twitter and jerk with middle classmen
No.1441166
Why is Thai involvement in the Americans warmaking in SEA never talked about by the west when they discuss extensively the Vietnam war? As well as being a direct part, the country was essentially used as a giant air-based, yet it is rarely ever spoked about. As someone who's family members was a large part of the campaigns I find it quite interesting that anti-imperialist resistance internally is rarely spoken about but understandable, i find it more strange however how thai role in or the peoples actions against is never spoken about.
Does anyone have any western sources about these things?
No.1441569
>>1441166The biggest hurdle with talking about Thai communist actions during the Cold War against the monarchy and the dictatorship was that this far right regime isn’t just pro America. After 1973, it was also the ground for collaboration between the PRC and the US. Even more unfortunate was that the Thai communists didn’t chart their own path and followed the guidance of parties like China that openly support the monarchy which then doom them to annihilation.
This is why it is so hard to talk about Thailand or any country where China was fully supportive of anti communists while the Soviet Union was completely passive. It runs against the dogma about how these great powers being infallible.
On English sources it’s difficult because simply not many Thái communists survived to tell the tale let alone writing it down.
>>1440869Serious question why do you love it? Because if you love Sukarno’s ideals of Indonesia it is long gone. What makes you think a countrywide replacement of old colonial authority without say of the people on it with a political entity is good. Speaking from local context an Indochinese federation to replace French authority would’ve been a disaster just like west Papua. Communist or not.
No.1441584
>>1441569Yea, i agree, but plus the culture of is simply not talking about things. The way culturally people can studiously ignore such horrible things and important things of the movement of the people really bothers me. Even in more recent times like the picrel era.
It is sad to me. The only man I know still around from those days is over 100 years old, and i feel like in another generation it will all be but forgotten history, both nationally and internationally, with maybe a footnote in american history books about being a staging base for their wars.
A personal theory i have why the whole country is barely ever mentioned when talking about the region, despite being a huge country and never colonized in the same way as much of the region, is that it would undermine what is told about Vietnam and China, as an even basic understanding would show it as one of the most social-politically repressed places i can think, which brutally undermine narratives about 'Communist' states being repressive, whilst capitalism would bring a society of 'freedom' in the american sense.
No.1442604
>>1440869>>1440792I don't understand what exactly is the problem here? Are you upset that someone in your country is celebrating its imcompetence and wilful demise? Nitpicking his behaviour isn't going to change the trajectory of your country anyway.
No.1442610
>>1441584>The only man I know still around from those days is over 100 years old, and i feel like in another generation it will all be but forgotten history, both nationally and internationally, with maybe a footnote in american history books about being a staging base for their wars.The same I saw for Malaysia. The british did horrid attrocities there like scalp hunting and concentration camps for the chinese diaspora. Not to mention their use of agent orange later on inspired the US doing the same to us.
>The way culturally people can studiously ignore such horrible things and important things of the movement of the people really bothers me.What's scary is that the media has normalized military coups. It should not be normal for any country to have coups every 10 years or so. Even worse when people started to bite on to the thai military narrative of fighting corruption using coup d'états.
Another barely mentioned fact of the matter was that the monarchy, as stupid and inbred as they might be, was competent enough to play France and Britain against each other and served as a buffer zone between them. Thereby avoiding colonization. This gives them a guise of legitimacy even though the generals and their military cliques held most of the power in those times with the monarchy serving as the figureheads only.
>would show it as one of the most social-politically repressed places i can think, which brutally undermine narratives about 'Communist' states being repressive, whilst capitalism would bring a society of 'freedom' in the american sense.This is honestly similar to how western historians portray most of eastern europe in the interwar years. They would usually just refuse to mention it altogeter because all of them were far right military dictatorships with eugenics programs.
No.1444693
>>1443813Which national anthem is this?
No.1444803
>>1444693PKI's party anthem, Pujaan kepada Partai. Needs some more adjustments regarding double quavers. Feel free to listen and download!
No.1445088
>TIL the CIA tried to blackmail Soekarno using a fake porn film with a Chicano (arrested by the LAPD) and a Hollywood actress (playing a soviet flight attendant)
<What our special Sukarno committee was formed to accomplish was the production of a film, or at least, some still photos, showing Sukarno and his Russian girlfriend engaged in his favorite activity. We ourselves were going to produce some proof of our theme—the very films with which the Soviets were blackmailing Sukarno.
<Movies that in those days were called blue films, which
indeed they were when compared with the full-color, fulllength features that have become standard viewing
throughout the country today, were acquired for us by CIA’s chief of security, Sheffield Edwards, through his close, friendly contact with the police chief of Los Angeles. Los Angeles’s supply of blue films suited our purpose, we thought, because they included dark male subjects, like the Mexican, who might be made to look like Sukarno with a little touching up. The problem was the female partner. They did not use talent in blue films in Los Angeles in those days that could compare with that of a decade later. We saw no likely candidates for the beautiful blond Soviet agent.
<We hadn’t too much luck with a likely Sukarno either.
One idea we had was to ask the Los Angeles police department to find us a dark and bald male lead. Sukarno
never permitted himself to be photographed without his pitji, the traditional black cap worn by Malayan and Indonesian male Moslems, lest his balding head be seen. We figured he surely didn’t wear his pitju in bed. We thought we would expose his vanity while we were exposing him. We saw a number of bald Chicanos but no Sukarnos. Finally, we decided that we would try to develop us a full-face mask of Sukarno. We planned to ship this out to Los Angeles and ask the police, to pay some blue film star to wear it during his big scene.
No.1445932
>>1435596Anyone going to the Labour Day rally at Hong Lim Park?
No.1446024
>>1445088I swear the CIA has rows and rows of meeting rooms containing full of day drunk 'fraternity' failsons writing shit ideas like this every day.
No.1446099
>>1446024The cold warrior book is fascinating because it's like an inside look into a super villain lair. Unfortunately that the heroes they fight against were just as dumb if not dumber. They set up an assassination of sukarno yet he didn't figure out the fact that the CIA was already inside the Indonesian military.
Or the fact that Lai Tek lasted for decades to the point of crippling the CPM.
No.1449375
>>1265238Biden probably doesn't know what day of the week it is , so that is not much help.
The faceless suits in the DNC are the real power behind the oval office and Biden is just a their mouthpiece.
No.1449479
>>1449206Happy UD/LD to you all! Brew some ca phe sua da and LET'S PARTY!!
No.1449856
Whats the qdr in the thai election? Is anything good likely to come out this at all?
No.1450182
>>1449856>Whats the qdr in the thai election? Just usual ratthasapha puppet show. Proportional representation was revoked before the election and a ton of 'jerrymanderin' or whatever they call it.
It will probably be the ending of parties outside of the junta party and the Shinawatra mafia.
>Is anything good likely to come out this at all?For who? Probably not, but maybe a coup. Have already threatened to cancel the whole thing if people get uppity and take to the streets.
No.1450240
>>1450182What is going to happen to the MFP?
No.1450743
>>1450240Even if the MFP reach their best scenario they will be a player in forming a majority with the Shinawatra's as it will be part of the same traditional voting bloc. and coup. and military-election. and election. and coup. and so on this is never going to be a means to obtain anything.
No.1451421
>>1450182Why did Chan Ocha split into his own party instead of staying in the military junta plant party? Power struggle?
No.1451637
>>1451421Just for oppertunist reasons to increase chances of being candidate i am pretty sure.
Spoke to a few people who are far more supportive of him than they ever have been of yellow parties, which is pretty sad. he did the bare minimum like fix up some roads and stuff like this, it is nothing for the peasants compared to what the Shinawatra's offer, who i am critically supportive of, but people have never had given anything from the state and when they vote for Shinawatra's they still get nothing plus a coup, i think this is what is pushing some of the rural traditional red voters in to what could be a much higher than expected vote for these reactionary fucks.
No.1451721
>>1450743Well maybe with a new king in charge, the legitimacy of the the coups would diminish. Since no one likes the new king anyway hence the military can't rally around him.
No.1452100
>>1451721I don’t see any new king with this going on in the chakri dynasty. Rama IX won the jackpot since he was perfectly healthy unlike most of his relatives who all died young due to inbreeding. Then he continued to intermarried. Spawning Rama X who is obviously inbred as well as his own children. The chakri will eventually go the way of the Habsburg.
>>1451637The Sinawatra will win this election for sure. I doubt the military will allow it to last though.
No.1452244
>>1452100>Rama IX won the jackpot since he was perfectly healthy unlike most of his relatives who all died young due to inbreeding.Yea I mean this one. I heard he fucking sucks compared to the previous one.
No.1452448
>>1452244He lives in germany, lol. a lot of people really loved Rama IX and sirikit. nausiating. but just because Rama X is not popular does not i think mean the military will not do their thing again. I think they would be happy and able to rule with relegating the royal family in to the background. At the core they are only a propaganda prop. When the urban bourgeoisie come running to the military with their yellow shirts on to ask for intervention i can not see that the matter of an unpopular king will really every stop anyone.
No.1453029
>>1445932>>1435596So I actually went to the MayDay rally. It had more people than I thought. It was in an open park so I just stood around and be kinda bored. Plus I came alone so again I was like the 'my feet hurt' wojack.
The organizers still are clearly marxists. It helps that I straight up revealed my ideological leanings from the get go. I even joked with one that once the revolution is over, he would get two cabbage soups in the gulag. What is shocking to me is that they are proportionally more female and minorities. There is also like a climate change, foreign labour and criminal justice activists trying to gather awareness for their cause. I am still not too many familiar how and why does this particular org operate, nor do I personally feel I can contribute my time (work and Workers Party stuff) or even my particular skillsets to their activities. I just donate to them and attend their events at the very least.
During the rally, the people they sent to speak are still very working class with very working class problems. A Grab driver speaking out against inflation and labour abuse as rider. A ex-bus driver that was part of the infamous bus strike a decade speaking about building a fair society for labour. A tenant activist talking about housing conditions.
While their concerns and grievances are legitimate and important, there was never any real solid pivot to genuine theory or praxis. The lead organisers made many demands like more worker's rights, price control for commodities and housing. But they never really explained how to get these things or why should we want this thing in the first place! The last speaker did mention how workers don't need owners and the perils of identity politics in diving workers, which is a breath of fresh air.
The people who do attend are also interesting. A sizable proportion of old 'Merdeka' generation people, but everyone else is overwhelmingly young. Middle age boomers are rather rare. Indeed it was hilarious to see old people struggle to listen to the punk bands that were performing in between the speeches. I am too shy and impersonal that I didn't converse with any strangers in the area to find out more about these people.
Luckily I managed to find people that I already met in the Workers' Party in the rally. A significant number of them were in the area for the rally, I managed to speak with all of them and basically cling on to them for social comfort. A welcome surprise was one of its MP was there too. Indeed I had assumed this high ranking member (basically 4th or 5th highest in the party) would be the right wing of the party, especially when he is a motherfucking CEO of a company! His presence was a big deal and a big booster to the rally, the organisers made sure to take a picture of him and asked him a few questions. He even told me he knows the lead organisers for decades now and is familiar with her militancy. Interesting news to me, considering she looks too young to be that old.
Nevertheless the MP himself and the WP members that knew him were sympathetic to left wing causes, even if he constantly labels them as 'progressive'. I conversed with him over political strategy and outlook of the party with a some time but he had to leave the rally.
Overall, it was an amazing experience. I had originally assumed I was the last socialist (TM) in this country, so it was refreshing to see comrades or at least fellow travelers here. I am happy to be wrong on my initial assumptions that I have made to my people and Workers' Party. But my assessment of our strength and desire for meaningful praxis and change still remain unchanged. Still if the people that went into the rally can pivot to actual praxis like helping out in those orgs with their pet cause or in WP, we can actually get something done/
No.1453373
>>1452244In competency, definitely. The new king is basically a puppet with no real power. Rama IX was way more competent toward killing communists as well.
>>1453029>A Grab driver speaking out against inflation and labour abuse as rider. I honestly hate how grab became a monopoly here as well. It's basically a shittier version of self employed drivers as they take a huge cut from the revenue plus no job insurrance like regular taxi services.
>Middle age boomers are rather rare.Those guys are probably at the PAP rally again talking about how taxing the rich is bad.
No.1454248
>>1453373Grab isn't a monopoly here. There is FoodPanda too, my friend who works for them once said they do treat drivers like empolyees.
>Those guys are probably at the PAP rally again talking about how taxing the rich is badtbh our boomers here are a 'lost' generation. Born too young to remember Barisan Sosialis, born too old to witness and endure OWS/08 at a formative age. I remember once I was in some WP event, an old man was telling me about his experiences in the Barisan Sosialis, much to the annoyance and apathy of the boomers sitting in the same table as me. That's why they are the most libpilled imo.
No.1454649
>>1454248>>1453373'Boomers' as any coherent grouping is really an American thing, i think a dubious one their but also impossible really to apply it locally anywhere else.
I would say it does not really apply anywhere I have ties in to.
Like for example when i think of the Thai election I think about peasants, city bourgeoisie, student elements,, what i am trying say is that if you try to look through a lens of factor in boomers outside of america, but and probably there too, they do not really fit anywhere, and so, it is just purely a meme.
No.1454696
>>1454649I thought Boomers were called that coz they were born in the booming era of their country. The people aged 45s to 70s here saw Singapore modernized and industrialized, enjoying huge economic boom and benefits. They also allowed a lot of political backsliding that curbed political liberties and shit during their formative years, being assured it is needed for economic development.
Obviously class and education plays a bigger role, but I eyeballed the crowd in the MayDay and can only noticed that generational trend. It is not as if boomers don't go to that park to air their grievances. They did so during the White Paper controversy.
No.1454700
>>1454696 (me)
Keep in mind. People Action Party did not transform Singapore into a one party-state during the Mederka era, but after they achieved independence from Malaysia and continued their repression on civil groups and political dissidents. The boomers grew up witnessing this and accepted it in the name of economic development.
One anecdote I have is that a boomer organizer in WP told me that her mother was an avid supporter of Barisan Sosialis and helped out with activites. She was told by her mother never to vote for PAP.
Not only did the organiser still vote PAP, but ingrained herself into the privilege networks that PAP constructed. It is only until recent political controversy that turned her to opposition politics. Even speaking to her, I do find that her line of thinking and praxis while effective, is still deeply influenced by PAP's ideology.
No.1454807
>>1454248>they do treat drivers like empolyeesIn the end that's all they are, the gig ecenomy is just a scheme to employ a huge amount of workers under the guise of independent subcontractors. But in reality they're just employees with a slightly higher wage than regular taxi employees but in return receive no worker protections as normal employees by skiddi the gray line using bullshit technicallities. In the end it is always a net lost for gig economy workers in the long run because they will have no health, safety and pension insurance.
>>1454696Boomers is different from country to country marked by certain sudden boom in population. The boomers in Vietnam is characterized as the huge influx of birth rates during the french resistance war and early on in the american resistance war. Most of those folks grew up in what is to be called the subsidy era and are mostly fine with the planned system. Later gen X are predominantly the same people who got rich from market reforms, and later gen being teens and kids uncertainty of the market world.
>Born too young to remember Barisan SosialisAre there anyone alive who still remember or served in the british side during the malayan emergency?
>>1454649Which section of the population is more open to change in your opinion?
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PAKISTAN REVOLUTION JAI KHAN
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>>1460082What the hell is going on in Pakistan?
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>>1460082>>1465353Wrong region. Pakistan is South Asia.
>>1463262Finally, ASEAN moves to an actual umbrella organization.
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Thailand's MFP is fucking killing it in the polls. Hope it works out for them. NM anon needs to interview that Thai person again to see what's up.
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>>1465413> MFPThe only party that is willing to go against lese majeste
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/politics/2570477/pita-mfp-pheu-thai-can-form-governmentHopefully they can have a strong enough base to resist the upcoming coup.
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>>1465926Yea well we see how they do in the Senate.
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>>1465926>https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/politics/2571000Only question now is who will be the leader? I think MFP has a stronger mandate but the other minor parties might want PT in charge.
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>>1466308What I think will happen
>Socdems goes more hardcore than Thaskin>Military and King gets mad>Try to coup>Pita gives no fuck, outright shames the monarchy and military>militias forms>civil war>???>Socialist Republic of ThailandEither this or back to square one of East Myammar.
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>>1466308What an upset.. I was supposed to be going back this year, please no coup. :(
>>1466456>Pita gives no fuck, outright shames the monarchy and militaryAnon he will just get shot, arrested or flee.
MFP does not (yet?) have the strong social base that the Shinawatra Mafia has and even they have never managed this. Any 'civil war' will be far more bloody and pathetic than Myanmar, that at least had a long civil-war already running with the autonomous regions. Do not wish for this it will be pointless and bloody.
>>1466277>Only question now is who will be the leader? I think MFP has a stronger mandate but the other minor parties might want PT in charge.My opinion is that it should be Srettha Thavisin, provides the stability and 'known quantity' of the Shinawatra Mafia whilst less divisive than Paetongtarn herself, Maybe… Although to be very clear this is just a game of 'pick your porky'.
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Article about the Thai elections (saw it shared by Vijay Prashad):
>Move Forward gaining the most votes in the latest election is a disaster for class-based politics in Thailand. This election has done precisely what the capitalist elite have dreamed of for decades; to push Thailand away from the class-conscious politics of the 2000s/2010s, and towards a politics of aesthetics. Finally, Thailand has a respectable party for the middle class, one capable of defeating the red shirts.[…]
>Realistically, Move Forward offer little more than those aesthetics and to understand why, we have to look at the other part of their demographic, their funders. The two previous leaders of the party are both semi-elite capitalists. The kind of capitalists who are born into wealth, educated abroad, own huge businesses, bust unions, exploit thousands of people, but are not in the ultra-elite. Their railing against monopolies is little more than positioning to gain votes and make space for their own micro class in the market. These capitalists are younger, hungrier, more charming, cleaner, more dignified. They look nothing like the dinosaur elites of the old generation, yet they functionally inhabit the same class demographic and class interests as their Prachathipat predecessors. The first incarnation of Move Forward Party, Future Forward Party, was disbanded by the courts in 2019. This is not because they were a threat to the structures of Thai society, but threatened to supplant one faction of capitalist elites with another.https://dindeng.com/class-politics-mfp-en/ No.1466912
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/15/thai-markets-rise-election.htmlLike fucking clockwork the stock tanks when the western shareholders heard they couldn't just ask the military to shoot workers and college students no more lol.
>>1466456>Pita gives no fuck, outright shames the monarchy and militaryLast time he went down without a fight. I doubt this will ever happen. Remember these guys are socdems, not communists. The communists died somewhere in the laotian jungle.
>Socialist Republic of ThailandBest case scenario is the end of the constitutional monarchy. But that would mean the socdem standing up and fight with the communists like Nepal did.
>>1466492Yeah I'm really sick of coups. But who knows what those yellow shirt freaks are thinking.
>My opinion is that it should be Srettha Thavisin, provides the stability and 'known quantity' of the Shinawatra Mafia whilst less divisive than Paetongtarn herself, Maybe… Although to be very clear this is just a game of 'pick your porky'.Thavisin is the worst porky in Pheu Thai really. A real estate developer (ie landlord).
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>>1466492>>1466912Yea maybe i am just hypecasting. Otherwise I see no way out of this election-coup cycle in Thailand. Revolution or massive reform of the monarchy is the only way out of this broken system.
>>1466885I am sorry, but this reeks of "The thing you like is bad actually" contrarianism. Like its criticism of MFP was fine I guess, but its attempts to justify or even talk up PT by comparison is copium as fuck. Just because PT has helped the rural poor in the past doesn't mean MFP would not continue doing the same, especially when it has to go to government with PT. Just because PT voters want and got decentralization, doesn't mean MFP are not open up to it. It is insane to criticize MFP, and then turn around to admit that PT has the same problems. Only to speak fondly PT without considering that the same thing could apply to MFP. Indeed I can turn around and say that the MFP is representing the urban poor just PT represents the rural poor. What now?
The last two sentences makes me think they are saying this out of sheer spite. For all its talk about middle class this, Redshirts that, the author seems to ignore that the
Thai elephant in the room. There is one class higher than the middle class MFP supporters, higher than the MFP funders. Higher than even the Thaskin family. This motherfucker has assets at least US$ 39 billions. He is the biggest owner of land in Thailand. Best of all, he doesn't even pay tax! Yes, the King himself! Indeed all this talk about the military junta seem to think that they are acting on their own. No! They are acting on the Crown's behalf, just like the Pinkertons did for porkies. Thailand is no crowned republic like the UK or the Scandinavian countries. Hell even the Japanese Emperor don't own as much stuff in Japan as the King does in Thailand.
With the Crown above everyone else, it is evident that the aristocratic class is not yet dead, and Thailand is still virtually a feudalistic/aristocratic nation. And even if you insist that MFP and/or PT represents capitalistic interests, there is still a class war between the capitalistic
chinese? families wanting to create a crowned republic and the aristocratic Thai King wanting to preserve the monarchy and its assets. What I was mentioning in an earlier post was a genuine wish that the MFP and/or PT would start a proper bourgeois-democratic revolution to eventually pave the way for a socialist one.
Indeed most countries in SEA, like Malaysia and Brunei need such a bourgeois-democratic revolution for socialists to have a reasonable attempt in gaining power, at least without external help and influence anyway.
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>>1466912>Thavisin is the worst porky in Pheu Thai really. A real estate developer (ie landlord).I agree, my pick is based solely on decreasing the chance of a coup and the likely of the senate passing.
>>1466885>>Move Forward gaining the most votes in the latest election is a disaster for class-based politics in Thailand. This election has done precisely what the capitalist elite have dreamed of for decades; to push Thailand away from the class-conscious politics of the 2000s/2010s, and towards a politics of aesthetics.I agree with this completely and is why i am a critical supporter of the Shinawatra mafia. I will read this article, thanks.
>>1467384I do not understand your love of this party, MFPanon. They make a big talk of the royalty and so on (reminder that Rukchanok Srinork literally supported the last coup at the time!!) but what are their actual polcies that matter? what are they going to do to help the people… I do not know because they have been pretty quiet about it.. do you? You talk down on PT over MFP but what material improvements are MFP championing over PT?! Do you really think you know better than every worker and pesant that make up the social base of the PT of their material interest? That was sent to prison, that marched and died in the colour of PT? That is really a joke anon..
And let us be real, we all know most of you only voted for Pita Limjaroenrat because he is attractive and young. despite the fact he even speaks english in an laughably american accent… Should this not be a tell to you people, otherwise always so critical of the burger intervention!!!
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>>1467481I don't love MFP, I just don't think the criticism made against them by that article is particularly good and ignores the very real weight and class character of the Thai Crown. MFP like PT are succdems at best, but I think the former is more likely to push for a bourgeois-democratic revolution than the latter. Which is ultimately good for socialists in Thailand since that is a easier framework to build towards a socialist revolution. We can't all be like Vietnam!
>Do you really think you know better than every worker and pesant that make up the social base of the PT of their material interest? That was sent to prison, that marched and died in the colour of PT? That is really a joke anon..Spare me your idealistic lived experience. You are making the same mistakes the article making, measuring the hypothetical deficiencies of MFP against the history of PT.
>And let us be real, we all know most of you only voted for Pita Limjaroenrat Only one person here is maybe Thai and it is neither of us.
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>>1467500> Which is ultimately good for socialists in Thailand since that is a easier framework to build towards a socialist revolution. We can't all be like Vietnam!Vietnam got a head start in destroying the crown as they nguyen dynasty were complete idiots. Bao Dai and his ancestors were clowns. It took the thai crown into modern day for their clown makeup to be put on.
>Only one person here is maybe Thai and it is neither of us.The real thai on the board is a Schrödinger's poster. He can be anyone and no one.
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So a big chunk of the MFP come from traditional yellow areas; Bangkok, it is largely the young of the
Chinese bourgeoisie. Yellows without kings…. you love to see it….
Where are all the chinaboos always at anyway, i notice although usually loud in /leftypol/ they are very quick to hide and say nothing when we talk about their favorite strongest allies in the region; sino-thai monarchy and yellows…
>>1467500Okay, so you do not really care about the people and only want your little theories and nonsense confirmed so you can feel correct?
I will continue to critically supported social democrats because it materially improves the lifes of the people around me whom i care about, anything else, all this abut wishing for your MFP borgeosie capture of politics is just LARP and Happening shit.
>>Only one person here is maybe Thai and it is neither of us.This is an anonymous image board. I am glad you admit this election really means nothing to you and affects you in 0 way though.
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>>1468417You won't find any chinaboos here anyway. Just because there is chinese diaspora here, doesn't make them sycophants of China.
>Okay, so you do not really care about the people and only want your little theories and nonsense confirmed so you can feel correct?I care about the Thai people enough to know the only way out of this vicious coup cycle is geniune revolution, bourgeois or socialist. The Thai Crown, which you and the author of the article is too scared or stupid to point out, weighs too heavily on thai society.
>all this abut wishing for your MFP borgeosie capture of politics is just LARP and Happening shit.PT did something similar a decade ago. Is it really that wrong to assume that history will repeat?
>I am glad you admit this election really means nothing to you and affects you in 0 way though.Neither does it to you. This is an anonymous board and only our rhetoric and theory matters. So far you have not argued against the central thesis of my post, that MFP is too similar to PT to justify such hand wringing, and both parties are fundamentally an expression of the bourgeois class against the aristocratic and extremely wealthy Crown, showing that class struggle isn't dead. All you done is insult and shame me without engaging me in debate. You are a fucking tourist in every sense of the word.
No.1470155
Fucking hell the gang weed monarchist party is now blocking coalition forming unless the MFP remove the lese majeste ammendment off their program. True betrayal.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-15/pro-marijuana-party-wins-big-in-thai-election-to-drive-a-bargainhttps://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/thai-election-3rd-placed-party-bhumjaithai-wont-approve-pm-who-supports-amending-lese-majeste-laws3rd-placed party Bhumjaithai won’t approve PM who supports amending lese majeste laws>The party that placed third in Thailand’s elections said on Wednesday it would not vote for a prime minister who supports amending the country’s royal insult laws, further complicating the path of the top two winners’ to forming a government.>“Bhumjaithai Party would like to inform you that the Bhumjaithai Party’s position is not to form a government with any political party that has a policy to amend or abolish Section 112 of the criminal code,” the party said in a statement.>“I will not accept Pita as a PM,” senator Jadet Inswang said, raising concerns about lese majeste reform.>Senator Kittisak Ratanawaraha also declined to support Mr Pita. “The PM candidate needs to love the nation, monarchy,” he said.The nation and the monarchy are two different things retard. This is like saying the tougue eating louse and the fish is the same.
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>>1470155>The nation and the monarchy are two different things retard.But Thais simply don't or can't separate the two. There is your brain on 0 republicanism.
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>>1470155>Fucking hell the gang weed monarchist party is now blocking coalition forming unless the MFP remove the lese majeste ammendment off their program. True betrayal.The real betrayal is the Shinawatra mafia and MFP going full america tier in re-criminalizing weed for no real reason just when we were starting to see some light..
The War on Drugs was one of the worst things Thaksin ever did. As much as i am a critical support of the Shinawatra mafia the sooner that old man dies the better ffs.
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>>1476258Damn weed in Thailand is becoming illegal again? Okay I recant my support for the bourgeois-democratic parties.
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>>1476446Yes. Maybe we will see a new round of Duerte style 'War on Drugs'.
Drug use in Thailand is different than experienced in the west. The main drug is Methamthetamine which people uses to work longer hours, and weed became accepted to a lot of people for its medical usage. The legalization of weed for medical use was really positive, aside from hoping we do not get another duerte style 'war on drugs' that is just killing people i really hope that it's medical status stays. The main thing with weed criminalization even when it the police are not actively violently hostile is just it puts a lot of people in prison and pads a lot of police pockets with bribes.
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>>1477264Wait did these parties originally oppose gang weed to begin with or is this like part of the electoral agreement made with other smaller parties?
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>>1476258Pheu Thai has been a giant magnet for older generation of anti military folks. And those guys have never been about drugs.
This was worsened following the pro cannabis party refusal in fixing the laws on insulting the monarchy nor joining the anti military coalition.
> While there would appear to be little prospect of any sort of sweeping crackdown, she said unlicensed street vendors and smuggled imports of the drug would be stopped.
>“Those who have invested legally will be protected and can continue their businesses,” Ms Sirikanya told reporters. The problem with the cannabis industry of Thailand is that they’re being outcompeted by foreign weeds coming from Canada and Netherlands on their own turf.
>>1477525Mostly because of the problem mentioned above. Local weed not selling as well as imported and smuggled stuff due to high taxes.
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>>1480478tbh I do think it is fair and necessary for the government to clamp down on foreign weed since it is unregulated and untaxed. If PT and MFP are doing just that then it is okay for me.
>This was worsened following the pro cannabis party refusal in fixing the laws on insulting the monarchy nor joining the anti military coalition.Ah, so it is a political tic for tac then? That is a bit more grey area than them just being sellouts tbh.
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>>1486181Not even the worst Christians in the region. Catholics in Singapore are surprisingly mild.
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>>1487929Well depends on the kind of catholics. The worst we had here were the kulak falangist catholics and the KMT catholics (who were purged if they stayed for being cannibalistic demons). They actually believed that it was their god given missions to eat the hearts and livers of communists.
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Imagine bombing so hard in your comedy that your government has to come out and say 'that's kinda cringe ngl.' Her career is taking a
nosedive https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023/06/08/jocelyn-chia-defends-mh370-joke-says-people-take-jokes-way-too-seriouslyI swear stand-up comedy need to have some regulation and vetting. This is getting ridiculous.
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>>1495477>>1495469>Joke about MH370 by comedian Jocelyn Chia sparks protest outside US embassy in KLshe just made a anti americanism protest over an SEA Asian version of a 9/11 and american independence from britain/country rivalry joke
based sigba woman
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>>1495469At least the malaysians aren't upset at us…
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>>1495469>Radio broadcaster Kudsia Kahar was one Malaysian who took offence, writing on Twitter that she drew the line at turning MH370 into a joke.>“Not acceptable. A good stand-up never turns tragedy and deaths into a joke,” she said.uh what
what kind of standup do they watch over there
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>>1495854tbf she straight up mocks Malaysia for crashing the plane.
No.1496647
>>1496304>tbfjust like how bush crashed the towers
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>>1496647Bruh…
>>1497896Elections exist to get people mad when they don't get what they want so that they will start a revolution.
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The upcoming Presidential election looks to be an extremely boring one. Nobody is talking about what they intend to do once they become president. Everybody is basing this election on vibes alone. Nevertheless this election is the perfect distillation of what Singapore 'Opposition' politics is and how it is defined and limited.
There are currently two the confirmed candidates, with another one hotly speculated to run but probably won't due to a lot of reasons he will likely support the anti-PAP candidate. If you ignore their personal wealth and age, all three of them blended together will perfectly encapsulates the anti-PAP crowd in its entirety.
The first one who is a pro-PAP candidate, Tharman,
>Extremely good at their specific specialized field
>Extremely well educated in branded secondary, tertiary and university school
>Labour aristocrat
>Internal reformist
>Ex-fellow traveler he personally knew those who were arrested inOperation Spectrum
The second one who is the anti-PAP, George Goh
>Rags to riches success story
>Socialite trying to play up his noblesse oblige
>Business owner
>Christian, like super vocal about it
>Extremely poor public speaking/very socially awkward.
The third one is Lee Hsien Yang, the current prime minister's young brother
>PAP dissident
>Military Officer
>Executive
>Aristocratic background
>Says a lot of wild shit online He and his children can't come back to Singapore as he is wanted by the police
>In exile
Not to say that every Opposition voter has these traits, but that every Opposition politician or party member has like at least 4 of them. LHY's Progress Singapore Party is filled with PAP dissidents. Admittedly, WP's current party leader don't fit this mold, but the newer members definitely do.
This is why politics in Singapore is so limited and so devoid of class struggle. Because those that are interested in politics have very similar class and social background. This means that class antagonism is very difficult to play up or witness as Singaporeans (rightfully) see no difference in their politicians, nor do they actually want to tbh. Indeed those do advocate for some wealth redistribution policies are often arguing from moralistic noblesse oblige rather than genuine worker empowerment.
But where is the labour movement? Are they represented in Opposition politics? Of course not! The trade unions are so cucked by the PAP. Hell, our current President who was a PAP member started out as a trade unionist who rose through the ranks of NTUC as a lawyer. She literally had the presidency gift-wrapped to her on the account of being Malay/Indian. A trade unionist being a very unpopular diversity hire shows how the deep absence of class struggle and consciousness in my boomer generation.
I am not saying socialism will never come to Singapore, but that anyone above 45 is very unlikely to implement it. Progress on this front needs to happen one funeral at a time.
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Oh man, I kinda want George Goh to be disqualified since it will rife Opposition support, but I really want a public holiday…
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>>1497896>What's the fucking point of having elections any more if everything is rigged.>any morethis was always the case.
>>1513933>Lol the junta is already preparing for protest when Pita loses in Julyimagine my shock!
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Have a wonderful Hari Raya Haji!
imma be staying at home doing nothing :(
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>>1497896lenin looks so sad in that pic. i never see him sad like that!
No.1519278
Thoughts on Jokowi backing Subiano now?
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/jokowi-leaning-towards-endorsing-populist-party-chairman-for-indonesia-president-analysts>Golkar offshoot partyFuck
>Same guy who executed Timor Leste preisdent (straight up Timorlese version of Castro) in cold bloodDouble fuck
>Led an operation where Indonesian death squad helicopter gunned down Papua civillians pretending to be red crossTripple fuck
>Dissapeared 13 people who were against SuhartoQuadrupple fuck
Jokowi backing a literal psychopath to be president>>1518082It was a photo of Lenin at his brother in law's funeral.
https://www.rbth.com/history/326386-10-photos-of-vladimir-lenin No.1531109
>>1519278There's no hope in this shithole. It has forsaken these islands. The only good thing about Prabowo is that he predicted about this crap.
https://coconuts.co/jakarta/news/study-prabowo-said-predicted-indonesia-dissolve-2030-actually-sci-fi-techno-thriller-called-ghost-fleet/Either Ganjar (a PRC-backed candidate) must win or there will be a civil war in Indonesia. Both Prabowo and Anies were backed by the burgers. Prabowo worshippers are full of chauvinists, while Anies sympathizers are full of fundamentalists.
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Vietbros, how pronounced is China hate in modern Vietnam?
No.1534767
>>1534567I would say somewhat similar to American and Mexican relations. We see them as expansionist two face assholes that we must trade with. They see us as lesser Chinese used for even cheaper labor. Neither wants to move from the status quo.
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>>1533342>Either way we win. Evolve or die.Who's in their right mind still considers themselves socialist, ultra? No one even supports Marxism again or any form of retarded left movement. The left is dead, forever. The reality and the trend are always moving to the right. You need to accept it and embrace it. There's no way to win unless you side with the ruling class. We ought to let the country secede for the good of all.
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>>1535080>nobody supports Marxism anymoreMeanwhile China's leadership has study sessions on Marxist theory
Perhaps follow their example even if no read books monkey see monkey do, you don't need the theory for it since the example is right there
Seems better than whatever you're talking about.
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>Ganjar with Sandiaga Uno
>Better than Prabowo and Anies
All three are terrible and if workers have any self-respect they don't vote for anyone.
>Backed by PRC
Even fucking worse. PRC is toxic for the region. Fucking Imperialists.
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>>1539174And no there won't be a civil war unless the PRC and the MSS do a CIA
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>>1539188The fuck? Woke is an American term. Why the fuck would anyone in Thailand care about being woke?
It sucks that every far right in the world just mimics the US. Think of something original for once motherfucker!
>>1538255Yeah to cherrypick shit that supports eternal NEP and imperialism of a welfare state. Might as well have a study session exclusively for Kautsky at that point. Delusional Deng beetle fuckwads.
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>>1539299no matter how you view deng, it cant be denied that the chinese are accelerating the capitalist economic conditions to collapse.
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>>1539354Ministry of State Security
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>>1539304Intentionally?
>>1539299New rule, anyone that complains about woke is automatically in the wrong.
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>>1539637does it matter if its intentional or not lol
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>>1539936Yes? It would say a lot about what happens after the capitalist collapse
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>>1539948Welp he got fucking dismissed. So much for a landslide victory.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/thailand-court-suspends-pita-over-media-shareholding-caseMan the absolute bold face lies the Thai military are willing to do is astounding.
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imagine being a maoist. can't be me lmao
No.1540491
>>1540384Do you not know how comprador regimes work. Were you expecting legal reprisal?
Take the flag off
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>>1540502Senile Mao, hamstring by a rightist CPC (1974) peddled what was know as Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought.
CPP, the revolutionary party leading a protracted people's war involving over a million Filipino workers and peasants in rural Philippines today are Marxist-Leninist-Maoists, which is a tendency that emerged with the critique of ML-MZT. I know this is very difficult for people on here to understand, but at least try.
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>>1540386It was going to happen sooner or later, anon. at least nobody had to be shot but let us see where we go next.
I do not think really understands the implications of this time over the others, i think they are eroding their base far more and deeper than they could probably imagine, dismissing the large Bangkok bourgeoisie element that voted against them as simply 'the youth' that can be dismissed, when probably the better move would have been to recuperate as much of their demands as felt possible and bring them back in to the fold of co-rule with the military.
At least, this is my take.
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>>1541241Old people wear this kind of glasses here. It is a huge shame he seemed like a competent guy and very sympathetic to left wing ideology and causes. He went to the event here too
>>1453029.
The girl is also like a celebrity here and an excellent campaigner..
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>>1540983A few questions.
The senate lasts five years. The current one entered office in 2019, thus it's ending in 2024, next year. What will happen then? There will be a new senate, again entirely nominated by the military, or what else?
If this deadlock persist, would it be possible to dissolve the house and go for a snap election, where a bigger victory could allow this coalition to overcome the entire senate?
Also, what's next now? I remember reading before the election that this Pita guy could have been unseated because of this tv channel shares razzledazzle. Is it really possible he and his party didn't prepare a contingency knowing all of this had been coming?
Last thing, even if he and his party were successfull, they didn't get 40% of the vote and a similar percentage of seats and they would have had still to rely on a broad coalition even if this moronic mechanism to appoint a prime minister wasn't in place. The pro-military party were clearly defeated, but the new majority is a kind of a mess, isn't it?
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Sigh, this fiasco is bringing out the worst in everyone. Just because WaPo publish it doesn't make it not true.
SPH Media(Lianhe's parent state owned company) is tanking in print media sales. Their editors literally got caught inflating the numbers, and we are supposed to believe that the only one doing well, Lianhe, is only being read and propped up with local readers? FFS 晚报 dissolved 2 years ago! Nobody in Singapore reads print media anymore, especially young people. I mean look at Lianhe's Twitter page, it has 1.1 million followers. I don't even think a third of country of 3 plus million citizens have twitter or read Lianhe. The numbers and the money simply don't add up.
Lianhe is clearly propped up by foreign audience and influences, wooo but if WaPo says it must not be true at all. If anything she doesn't go far enough to expose how Mainlanders actively try to fraternize with Nanyang Chinese on the basis of racial solidarity. Mainlanders keep trying to tell Nanyang Chinese when are we returning home, targeting old chinese folks with Chinese propaganda on social media like Whatsapp. Hell 1 kilometer away from where this photo is taken, China has built a huge building dedicated to furthering china's arts and culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Cultural_Centre_(Singapore)Remember it is not
Chinese arts and culture, as Mainlanders via the state and the people do not seem all that interested or willing to assimilate our Nanyang culture into our own.
This one way fraternization only helps Mainlanders. Nanyang Chinese have always had a precarious position in SEA, where our racial (and of course class) status make us vulnerable to accusations of dual loyalty to China
Sinophobia is the socialism of fools in SEA. People on Twitter love to accuse the author for stoking racial tensions, but they seems to forget that these racial tensions already do exist. The natives here do suspect Nanyang Chinese for identifying too much with Mainlanders, and this article only confirms their suspicions. They have good reasons to be wary of us and this influence on our state media is not helping. If anything I would argue to my fellow Nanyang Chinese that we must be even more critical of China to affirm our allegiance to our nation and by extension our region
at least within geopolitical relations, we must not use this to undermine class solidarity. No.1548678
Also I just remembered Lianhe likes to play identity politics and shit on my succdem party's attempts to control immigration so they can additionally go fuck themselves. It is clear Lianhe has a pro-China bias if they say dumb shit like this.
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2023/03/15/letter-to-lianhe-zaobao-by-wp-chief-focus-on-social-integration-and-avoid-alarmist-statements/ No.1549231
>>1548641Sinophobia is stupid and tragic but that aside i think it's inevitable that Chinese people in SEA would retvrn to China even without all the crazy ass pogroms happening here. This might make me sound like a chvd but people just naturally congregate to places where they have institutional power tbh, and with China becoming a first class imperial power the Chinese diaspora across the world would emigrate there to seek better job conditions if for nothing else. It's kinda how many black Americans rn are emigrating to Africa now that many African states are becoming stabler and relatively less impoverished
No.1549289
>>1549231Imma be real with you but this ain’t it chief. They will find some other minority group to blame and demonise even if we leave. We cannot leave this region after all we have done to make it our home.
Our presence is needed precisely to help the natives see the class war in this society.
No.1549981
>>1541738I suspect the junta would just give Chan Ocha the win again. Pheu Thai can easily be brushed aside using the same kangaroo court bullshit they did on Pita, citing the win as fraudulent due to the dynastic tendency of the Shinawatra family.
>>1549231Eh that won’t work as well as you think. Mainlanders from what I experience see the diaspora as second class, only to be used and assimilated if possible. More or less like orthodox Zionists treating beta Israelis like trash. It’s a sad sight to see the diaspora keep getting manipulated to their own deaths especially in many Chinese diaspora only communist orgs of the cold war which did nothing other than fermented more sinophobic views.
>>1548641https://npcobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Patriotic-Education-Law-Draft.pdf?itid=lk_inline_enhanced-templateThoughts on this? It just reads like ultranationalist speak to me. Like I don’t think Ci even pretends to not be a nationalist anymore, “national rejuvenationism” is increasingly replacing communism as a goal.
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-07-22/What-is-China-s-path-to-national-rejuvenation--126dJc7L1gA/index.html>Socialism with Chinese characteristics is a fundamental achievement of the Party and the people, forged through innumerable hardships and great sacrifices, and it is the right path for us to achieve national rejuvenation.From my perspective this is very much similar to how they actually invaded us in 1979, using 5th columns with the hmong monarchists and Chinese diaspora as the sacrificial lamb.
No.1552786
>>1549981>national rejuvenationism” is increasingly replacing communism as a goal.I am begging Xi for an even a crumb of international proletkult. Why must everything be about 国国国? China already has its own culture and arts industry already, time to make some proletkult. I will be China's strongest solider on social media if they did that shit. But it is always, Chinese this Chinese that. And not even some international Chinese culture shit, it is just their Chinese culture!
>Mainlanders from what I experience see the diaspora as second class, only to be used and assimilated if possible.Yea it is very condescending. I know a lot of Mainlanders don't even want to try local cuisine or customs. Very few Mainlanders do yusheng during Chinese New Year! Lianhe Zhaobao doesn't even talk about Singapore news in their China verison!
https://www.zaobao.com.sg/cnThe sinoification is so obvious but pro-China simps will ignore even the most milquetoast obvious gripes with Lianhe Zhaobao.
No.1553284
>>1552786Their cultural centers is really boring to me. It’s like a really desensitized stereotypical version of Chinese culture with modern developments even stuff from the 50s not as prioritized compared to ancient oriental mysticism to draw the diaspora back to the mainland. Like get some zoomer mainland shit in it or something!
> Yea it is very condescending. I know a lot of Mainlanders don't even want to try local cuisine or customs.It’s as weird and strange as yiddish culture being deleted by israel. The Chinese diaspora was made unique by their historical circumstances and all the better for it.
No.1553991
>>1552786>Mainlanders from what I experience see the diaspora as second class, only to be used and assimilated if possible.We have a word for diasporas 高华 which means higher class Chinese
>Very few Mainlanders do yusheng during Chinese New Year!That's a regional custom that is already known for parasitic risk(not sure about how Singapore regulates this but dingxiang once published an article about how the author got parasites from consuming yusheng once in shunde), maybe tourists will try it out but you said CNY so
No.1556530
>>1553991>We have a word for diasporas 高华 which means higher class ChineseNo you don’t. At least not here.
>not sure about how Singapore regulates this but dingxiang once published an article about how the author got parasites from consuming yusheng once in shunde)That sounds like a China problem. Even in SEA we can replace the salmon with cooked abalone to minimise the parasites.
>maybe tourists will try it out but you said CNY soYou do know a sizable migrant workforce here are from China right?
No.1556532
>>1556470I want the PT simp to come over and apologize to me!
No.1557736
For real I want that asshole who kept shaming me for liking MFP to justify what PT did! Literally betrayed MFP to get into power? They will just win even more next election.
No.1557859
>>1557736PT will never get into power bruh. Thaksin dynasty vs Military and their puppet kings is like the biggest power struggle between greedy bourgeois vs greedy monarchs and juntas in the modern era. Those fuckers will get their karma with the army couping them, and the allies they betrayed will stand aside laughing. The MFP people are just people tired of the bullshit and zoomers tired of the monarchy with this new development tired of PT.
The fallout from this will just be more radicalization of the youth as more and more people seeing how much of a sham thai elections has become where the moment you win in the polls they just shoots you and dissolve your party.
No.1560344
That socdem comedian that /Aus General/ has a hate hard on for (friendlyjeordies) did a pair of documentaries about Pauapa New Guena, called 'Hostage Land' and 'Paradise Bombed' very interesting, grim and depressing but also hopeful to see how some still resist in it's bitter inevitability, especially with the topic of the Hostage docu, in which repeating history feels sadly inevitable.
Good documentaries i'm glad it's a topic people are starting to talk of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSf3268tAbg &
https://youtu.be/0pOJUbwEig8 No.1560965
>>1560953That middle map is fucking incredible where did you get it from anon??
No.1564890
https://www.youtube.com/live/PNfMoYMhrK8Luna Oi in discussion with Rahman, general secretary of the Workers and Peasants party of Pakistan.
Starts at around the 10 minute mark. Some interesting things about Vietnam about 1 hour in.
No.1565153
>>1560344>That socdem comedian that /Aus General/ has a hate hard on for (friendlyjeordies)Do they really?
>>1557859PT might if they form a coalition. My Thai friend told me that PT members may be threaten by the millitary junta to make such bizarre and ridiculous moves though.
>>1564890>Workers and Peasants party of PakistanAre they a big deal in Pakistan?
No.1565172
>>1556532>I want the PT simp to come over and apologize to me!This is what i said though:
<My opinion is that it should be Srettha Thavisin, provides the stability and 'known quantity' of the Shinawatra Mafia whilst less divisive than Paetongtarn herself, Maybe… Although to be very clear this is just a game of 'pick your porky'.Clearly i am not simping anon, i would think that is obvious when i exclusively refers to these people as a 'Mafia'. I just do not want to see so much violence again for what is essentially porky-on-porky shit with at best some weak thoughts about movement towards social democracy.
No.1565778
https://www.youtube.com/live/GrtXnC3N9GsIndonesian think tank conference about burger Indo-Pacific strategy.
Starts around 12 minutes 20 seconds.
Curious minds would like to know what is going to be said in the closet door sessions.
No.1565846
>>1565172No you aren’t the one who was defending that Djn article shitting on MFP and lamenting the death of class conflict.
>what is essentially porky-on-porky shit with at best some weak thoughts about movement towards social democracy.You mean between PT and MFP? Coz clearly PT is selling out the bourgeoise democratic elements of Thai society in favour of pro-monarchy parties. Class conflict is still going on Thailand.
No.1565872
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/philippines-south-china-sea-grounded-ship-president-marcos-3687946China seriously just can't stop themselves from stirring up shit and making marcos jr more popular. Fuck. His entire goddamn platform is cosying up to the US and they're pushing it towards him winning in another land slide.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-10/south-china-sea-wreck-sierra-madre-shipwreck-philippines-spratly/102710174>"South China Sea is not a 'safari park' for countries outside the region to make mischief and sow fbi.gov," the embassy said in a statement.It's this kind of passive aggressive gaslighting is what I hate the most. They're the fucking aggressors.
>>1565153>Workers and Peasants party of PakistanThey never recovered from their decline in 1986 after Bangash died. They recently merged with their communist splinter. It's anti China due to being against Chinese businesses and the government taking land from peasants.
No.1566006
>>1560644>I know, right? Maybe if ID and PNG can broker a deal to make the latter cease existing and the former relinquishing the whole Papua region, thereby making the whole island as one?Why not annex Australia along with China's navy later?
No.1566021
>>1565846>Class conflict is still going on Thailand.Cool but it is classes we are not part of and do not have access to so why care?
This is the last shit anyone needs to die or go to jail for.
No.1566028
>>1566021>>1566024>not realizing the Thai bourgeoisie is a revolutionary class against the Crown.No theory just vibes.
No.1566031
>>1566028>>not realizing the Thai bourgeoisie is a revolutionary class against the Crown.<not realizingIt is more that i do not care, you moron.
How is it unironically this hard for you to understand this is not our fight?
No.1566061
>>1566031Because a socialist Thailand can only (or at the very least more likely) come about after a bourgeois democratic revolution? Even the CCP came after Sun Yat Sen started his revolution, October Revolution after the February.
The Thailand proletariat should support the bourgeoisie’s fight against the crown, if only to accelerate their own ascendancy.
No.1566084
This was a nice and wholesome image, i thought it could make a good banner.
>>1566061No! Why die for the Bangkok bourgeoisie who act lock step with the crown when it suits them.
To actively support and die or be imprisoned for historical process that you are not even the beneficially of is 'cringe' anon, to put it lightly. Why would anyone want this?
No.1566090
>>1566084>Why die for the Bangkok bourgeoisie who act lock step with the crown when it suits them.Again, the proletariat is using the bourgeoisie just as the latter is using the other. They will ditch the bourgeoisie when they are ready and aware of their class status. Are you saying the people of Thailand are better off as subjects of a monarchy/military junta than citizens in a bourgeois democracy? At least PT and MFP are the gibsmedat parties, so you can't pretend the Crown treats them better.
>To actively support and die or be imprisoned for historical process that you are not even the beneficially of is 'cringe' anon, to put it lightly. Why would anyone want this?You are not even a theorylet, just a fucking coward.
No.1566101
>>1566090i don't care to be honest fam, hold the theory autism as close to your chest as you like, it's not for me though.
> At least PT and MFP are the gibsmedat parties,I have seen nothing to really make me believe MFP are offering even Shinawatra levels of mild-to-pretty-decent socdem policie.
No.1566118
>>1566101If you really don't care, at least don't post this picture unironically
>>1566084. You want to commemorate heroes in a banner yet question and fret over my theory's need of heroes. What self-serving flattery.
>I have seen nothing to really make me believe MFP are offering even Shinawatra levels of mild-to-pretty-decent socdem policie.Didn't they make promises to do succdem reforms?
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2558640/move-forward-reveals-100-day-roadmap
>Other urgent policies would extend to the distribution of title deeds covering 6.5 million rai of land to people in cooperatives and self-established settlements. No.1566195
>>1566118>Didn't they make promises to do succdem reforms?from the list? forgive me if i am sckeptical.
Even if you for some reason believe them to be honest, what even makes you think that they are going to be victorious, the horse riders of historical process.. It is clinton foundation and or tony blair institute politics that speaking on in the general sense i have no faith in to even be more beneficial to the bourgeoisie and just corporations wraped up as vanity projects to assuage the ego's of it's respective leaders idiosyncratic and eccentric approaches to political theory. Why should we even take MFP seriously as this rider or deliverer?
No.1566499
>>1566195>Even if you for some reason believe them to be honest, what even makes you think that they are going to be victorious,Since when we are discussing their ability to do those things? Like no one here is giving me an actual argument that MFP won’t want to do the things they said they will do, other than just vibes about tony blair and Clinton, wtf?
MFP probably can’t do the reforms it wants to do, but that is more because it is in direct conflict with the monarchy, not really because they are not ideologically motivated
>>1566477As I already said earlier, Thailand is no constitutional monarchy/crowned republic. The King wields considerable economic and political power, being the biggest capitalist in the country ( see
>>1467384 ‘s picture). European monarchs don’t have constants coups in their name to deny popular will nor have infamous speech laws protecting their honour.
I will concede Thailand is closer to Saudi Arabia and would support the industrial bourgeoisie (which doesn’t exist there anyway) if they ever start a bourgeois democratic revolution.
No.1568547
PN rise in Malaysia is still growing, can anyone over there explain why? I swear the Arabisation of islam doesn’t bode well for the region.
No.1569391
>>1568547They won in a landslide in the polls. I don't see malays having anyone left of islamic moderates in power anytime soon. Especially even socialism being heavily curtailed.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023/08/13/state-polls-perikatan-takes-146-seats-overall-while-pakatan-settles-for-99Yassin and Razak are two peas in the same shit pod.
>The Prime Minister Najib Razak defended Muhyiddin's "Malay first, Malaysian second" assertion and controversial statement even though it contradicts the 1Malaysia concept which talks of "a nation where, it is hoped, every Malaysian perceives himself or herself as Malaysian first, and by race, religion, geographical region or socio-economic background second". No.1571008
>>1566499>other than just vibes about tony blair and ClintonDo you really knot know what the Blair and Clinton foundations respectively are?
No.1571116
>>1571008You are very welcome to give proofs then.
No.1572174
>>1566499Their entire base of support is around anti leste majeste laws. And that's a good thing compared to PT fuckery and military continueing grip on thai society.
>which doesn’t exist there anywayThailand had considerable manufacturing power back when they were the SEA 80s detroit (now modern day detroit lmao). Unfortunately all of them had ties with Rama sr.
No.1578998
>>1572779Again, Idk why people were shitting on MFP when in hindsight, it was clear PT will pull some wild shit like over MFP.
But sure, keep telling me you get good vibes from PT and bad vibes from MFP.
No.1581458
>>1580549Not you but some poster above me that I argued with whether MFP and PT are an expression of class struggle against the Thai crown a few months ago.
No.1582077
>>1582012idk how can they go on, their political base is in shambles for this huge faux pas. They have only legitimize MFP even more.
Also wtf is that picture? Most humane police officer.
No.1582087
Again someone I know from Thailand told me the only way they can rationalize PT's suicidial moves is that their members are being threatened by the millitary to make such actions.
Still the delegimitization of the Thai crown continues. The only way out of it is again a bourgois-democratic revolution. Even if the proletariat must work with the Chinese/urban bourgeoisie to make such a change.
No.1582980
>>1582087Yeah I think it’s their last ditch attempt to avoid a civil war or coup. Because the military is just that insane. Especially helpful if the military offered to allow Thaksin back in the country. The entire situation is fucked in general.
>>1582077If this Congress continue I think MFP would just stonewall any attempts to make new laws. PT and the military is just fucked.
No.1586534
Presidential election in Singapore, decided to choose the local siao lang over the GIC guy.
No.1586553
*racism*
No.1586770
>>1586768Who knows, their stooge almost the last presidential election.
No.1587432
>>1586768And its Tharman by a landslide. Mostly because he's the only one who anyone actually knows versus 2 literal whos no one cares about.
No.1587460
>>1587432Actually Tan Kin Lean is quite well known, but he is mostly known for being crazy and terminally online.
No.1587490
>>1587469tbf all of them are not independent anyway. At least Tharman could say he is the black sheep of PAP considering his radical past.
No.1587961
>>1587959>>1587959Lol no wonder PT sidelined MFP!
No.1588126
https://www.youtube.com/live/tzf_Ay9sr-ACGTN live now on the belt and road initiative in Malaysia.
No.1588212
>>1587959None of this would have happened if everyone just voted for the 'Free water filter if you vote for me' guy. :/
No.1588226
>>1588212tbf all the parties were running on some form of gibsmedats.
No.1591389
https://www.ricemedia.co/ravi-menon-ips-nathan-lectures/The economist that referenced Marx's assesment of captialism sowing the seeds of its own destruction is leaving MAS. Also somehow dropping some criticism of captialism and wanting succdem policies.
The author speculates he may run for political office. Would interesting to see which party he joins, since WP roughly wants the same thing. He could be another Tharman I suppose, the left wing of the PAP who is constantly being sidelined.
No.1591770
>>1591145I just don't want the islamists to win. It can't be good.
No.1592021
>>1591770The Islamists aren't one politically cohesive block. There are MB-affiliated Islamists with ties to Malaysia (i.e PKS who broke rank with Saudi over the visit to Auschwitz), Local Islamists, Islamic Democrats, etc, even the Religious bloc is divided and allied with various secular parties depending on their electoral strategy. Rather than looking at specific factions it is better to ask which force electorally benefits from sectarianizing politics?
No.1592298
>>1591145>Indonesian election coming up. Thoughts?Distrust and unrest are real out there. Expect huge chaos—maybe more than 1998.
>>1591770>>1591998>>1592021Whether you like it or not, the Islamists are the only opposition we can get. Besides, there's no left movement around here. They're dead, and if there are any, they can't do anything good, just like the left in America. The Islamists are Republicans, and the regime loyalists are Democrats. So the Islamists still regard the regime loyalists as communists, liberals, and Suharto stooges. Because of the Red Scare in the past and Islamophobia in the Suharto era. Not to mention, the regime loyalists partied so hard at the Indonesian independence ceremony before, instead of having a proper and formal independence ceremony.
No.1592547
>>1592298>Expect huge chaos—maybe more than 1998. No, it won't be that severe. Stop overreacting.
No.1592577
>>1591998>Kabaa partyThey seem like Christdems but for Islam.
>>1592298This is your brain on American politics.
No.1592913
>>1592547>No, it won't be that severe. Stop overreacting.As if the burgers and the chinks won't take this opportunity to extend their hegemony over the SEA region. After their failure in Ukraine, they will certainly open a new front in Taiwan. They've already opened some war zones in Africa. Burgers are losing economically, but they're still strong militarily. Not to mention, China released a new map that will mark their rival puppet states as their territory. That's why the Japs dump that radioactive wastewater into the Pacific Ocean.
>>1592577>This is your brain on American politics.Everything is nothingburger to you, isn't it? Although, yes. I wish the nothingburger is secede & gone.
No.1593588
>>1593455>???With all the china stuff the burgers are desperately trying to branch out for a new china to take their place, preferably a plurality of.
it will probably fail miserably tbf.
No.1593646
>>1593588>it will probably fail miserably tbf.could you elaborate?
No.1593719
>>1593646Vietnam is right next to China and has much more in common with them, of course the continued legacy of China's idiotic war on them still sours relations, but in the long term they're much more likely to be a Chinese ally than an American one
No.1593854
>>1593719No, SEA geopolitical strategy must be to play both sides off each other as an united bloc.
No.1593895
>>1593455Literally just signed it last week with Singapore. But I expect nothing will happen with Biden. Because the US literally staged a terrorist attack in Vietnam in June. So probably just some new weapons deal.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-11/vietnam-arrests-six-after-deadly-central-highlands-shootingsTheir entire terrorist group is led by some evangelical fuck in North Carolina.
>>1593719>2000 years of war doesn’t count>funding a genocide against Vietnamese through pol pot doesn’t countVietnam would never side with neither. Out of the fact that both collaborated in blockading and attacking the country in the 1980s.
No.1594039
>>1593895Speaking of arms deals. 8 billion dollars to buy weapons from Russia to keep it balanced.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/09/world/asia/vietnam-russia-arms-deal.htmlhttps://archive.is/72ChzOf course it’s through the VietSov Petro the ancient joint venture in the cold war.
No.1594043
>>1593719>but in the long term they're much more likely to be a Chinese ally than an American oneThat is not what i was saying at all when i said it will probably fail as a strategy because nobody would possibly think this.
Stop seeing the world in terms of some kind of 'USA vs China' grand strategy game anon it is making you dumb.
>>1594039>Speaking of arms deals. 8 billion dollars to buy weapons from Russia to keep it balanced.Funny the anglo media is also going crazy with a delusional story currently that america is out of weapons and having to buy them from the DPRK.
No.1594927
>>1594273>If that doesn't harm me, even so far as to help me profit much, I won't see burgers and chinks as a problem (I'm even the latter)! 😜Sure, wumao 50 cent bot, I'm sure the chinks will be more kind and peaceful than the burgers. Maybe too peaceful because they had assaulted Vietnam before and released a new controversial map for their controlled territory. Not to mention the debt trap.
No.1595196
>>1594927>le debt trap memeThanks for your viewpoints, pro-US liberal
No.1595515
Lol the Pheu Thai is so desperate they're back with handouts as incentives. Fucking losers man
https://time.com/6312579/thailand-cash-handout-economy/Thai Prime Minister Pitches $16 Billion Cash Handout to Revive Economy>Thailand will dole out 560 billion baht ($16 billion) to its 55 million adults in the next six months to spur domestic demand and investment, with new Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin pitching the revival of a sluggish economy as his government’s top priority.>All Thais aged 16 and above will receive 10,000 baht each that can be spent on specific goods and services in their neighborhood within a set period. The government will also soon cut energy prices and offer a debt moratorium to farmers and small businesses battling loan burden, Srettha said in a customary policy statement made in parliament Monday.>The government intends to fund the digital wallet program via state budget and additional taxes from the program without resorting to fresh borrowing. But economists from Bank of America Securities and Nomura Holdings Inc. say the spending plans will widen fiscal deficit, limiting the country’s room to absorb future shocks.>>1595196>you must be pro US if you're not pro china!Retard
>I want new japanese co-prosperity sphere but with a red flagKYS
No.1595518
>>1595515>RetardHowever, it does go like that most of the time
>BRI is a new co-prosperity sphereStop being deluded by America's lies you see in the mainstream media you naïve prick
No.1596254
>>1595521What's wrong with being one? Do you assume that all US citizens are automatically imperialist? I know, you hate the government of the US, but you've got no right to act immaturely like that.
No.1596279
>>1596254Idpol is okay when it’s based on geography, dontcha know
No.1596441
>>1596341NTA but that image is bullshit, anon
Mao was crossed by several people in the CPC who acted as direct, explicit and secret opps, in the interest of sectors of capital.
Mao did not reach out to Nixon. His double-crossing "Comrade" Zhou Enlai did. Not only that, it was a secret meeting, without the knowledge of many others than Enlai and Kissinger themselves. This was done during and in response to the Mao's / the CPC left's Cultural Revolution. Mao and Ho were great allies. Deng and the Vietnamese communists were enemies of war. It is important to understand what happened in between.
No.1600973
>>1600948>Artha Graha vs local workersThe latter can't do anything, that's the truth. Tommy Winata's just going to zonk the fuck out off them, and move all of them to Galangan. It's a National Strategic Project, after all. We can't do anything, except if you're an investor
No.1601183
>>1600929> I am comparatively happy when these people on the right come into power.This seems like a reasonable statement anon, it is saying 'I am happy is is you rather than X or Y hitlerite' for example.
It is incorrect yea and stupid but not I think how it is portrayed. but maybe i am wrong.
No.1601756
>>1601183Sucking Nixon's dick is reasonable? Liking the far right as opposed to supporting communists is reasonable? I mean you're just an ashamed fascist at this point my man. Off yourself before you can be a harm to any orgs close to you.
>>1600973>Tommy WinataMf is so cringe it's incredible. That's on top of being an actual crime boss.
Goddamn the region is huge since it gonna encompass a bit of Galang as well.
No.1602077
>>1601183The level of copium in this post is off the charts!
No.1602431
I don't understand why Dengists and Maoists think we (SEAfags) would like China in any capacity. China has not and will not be a friendly neighbor, let alone an ally.
I would be Xi's strongest soldier when they start funding left wing movements and parties here like the Philippines' NPA.
No.1604800
>>1602431>I don't understand why Dengists and Maoists think we (SEAfags) would like China in any capacity. China has not and will not be a friendly neighbor, let alone an ally. >I would be Xi's strongest soldier when they start funding left wing movements and parties here like the Philippines' NPA.Wtf are you smoking, m8? NPA are maoists & they're playing by both sides (either China/America).
No.1604802
>>1604800>they're playing by both sides (either China/America).What do you mean?
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