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 No.1262933[Last 50 Posts]

What is America's end-goal with making up a completely fake genocide? What do they seek to accomplish with it?

 No.1262938

Isn't it tediously obvious?

 No.1262940

>>1262933
Not sure if you're joking or just 16 years old.

It's to create a dehumanization of the Chinese as a state and as a people. You paint the Chinese as a barbaric state akin to the Nazi's, where the people basically live under terror, and the masses either support this or are forced to support it via propaganda (because they are supposedly stupid, because propaganda could never work on people like you, could it?).
Then this is used to whip people into a frenzy of racial hostility and hate, to justify any and all actions against the Chinese state, including full scale war and nuclear holocaust of civilians.

 No.1262950

>>1262933
>What is America's end-goal with making up a completely fake genocide?
two reasons
1. Genocide is a crime that stings, so branding your enemies as genocidal is obviously a good PR move to discredit them, as it discredits their defenders as genocide deniers too, shutting them down morally and never engaging with their words.
2. Years of False Genocide claims will wear this stigma to it down, making it easier to apologize for past, current day and future genocides

 No.1263073

>>1262933
>What is America's end-goal with making up a completely fake genocide?

pic related

 No.1263075

>>1263073
“Sovereign is he who decides on the exception.”

 No.1263192

>>1262940
this. its literally the same playbook they're using for Russia right now FFS. It's now common place for a reddit thread to call Russians orcs or what have you

 No.1263215

I'm still surprised at how well american propaganda works.
If you see any article or video about China, about ANY topic there will be comments about the uyghur stuff or the 'evil CCP'. It's almost as if they are programmed to angrily comment when they read the word China

 No.1263250

>>1263073
Where is this from? I wanna read more

 No.1263252

>>1263203
0/10

 No.1263268

File: 1668192441636.png (11.82 KB, 133x190, gommieoni.png)

>>1263215
yankistanis have been fed constant propaganda about their own superiority since the world wars. In many cases it might've actually been true but they realize their time in the sun, no matter what happens to Russia or Asia or whatever is running out as more nations catch up to them and as liberalism degrades into dust in the US.
It is all fear, they see themselves as the strong blonde-haired Aryans and (In their minds) negro and spic lackies leading the charge for the world under the banner of liberalism, hotdogs and foodball. A world where everyone that they like gets 2.5 kids, a house, a wife/husband a dog/cat or whatever. The reality is however not like that and it causes them constant ass-pain that they are actually fat with kids who don't like them

 No.1263283

>>1262933
I've noticed the media droppping the use of genocide in what little reporting they still do on the camps. They know it's not a sustainable narrative since as China's plans for the region progress it will become obvious that they are not exterminaging uyghurs or muslims, and are instead agressively instilling total loyalty to the state.

 No.1263343

>>1263075
based Aaron Good and Ben Norton enjoyer

 No.1263345

>>1263250
Washington Bullets by Vijay Prashad

 No.1263350

>>1263343
Not that amongst, but I just started watching their series of shows on deep politics recently. Can't recommend enough for other anonymous to check it out

 No.1263353

>>1263350
*anons to check out

>>1263345
ty

 No.1263354

>>1263343
<literally a Carl Schmitt quote
>based Aaron Good and Ben Norton enjoyer
what did she mean by this?

 No.1263359

>>1263354
I was watching an episode of Multipolarista two days ago where Aaron Good and Ben Norton go over that quote and its broader implications for US empire for like 30 minutes and thought you might have also watched the same thing. Seems I am mistaken.

 No.1263427

>>1262933
a reminder that the sources from this glowiepedia article literally come from fucking neocon think tanks, its absurd

 No.1263680

>>1263427
adrian zenz

 No.1263682

>>1263569
> It's a project to keep the CCP on its toes and make them "civilize" the area by putting the Uyghurs in factory work and making them breed less.
except their birth rates aren't decreasing, so even this is handing too much to the west

 No.1263684

>What is America's end-goal with making up a completely fake genocide?

vid related

 No.1263690

File: 1668206789611.jpg (3.44 MB, 6292x3328, geno.jpg)

>>1262933
genocides are by and large considered bad.

>picrel

whether or not a decrease in birth rates for an ethically homogenous people is a genocide that the UN needs to investigate or an insane conspiracy theory that needs censor is whether or not capitalists believe that view aids or hurts them for their current benefit

 No.1263898

>>1263359
That guy wasn’t me, but yeah, you’re close. I was looking through Aaron Good’s American Exception.

 No.1263934

>>1263268
get more images
cycle it up!

 No.1264222

>>1263680
needs more arrows

 No.1264226

>>1262940
>Not sure if you're joking or just 16 years old.
The news repeats it over and over, where have you been lately?

 No.1264227

>>1262933
>What do they seek to accomplish with it?
Independence and plundering of a sovereign state's territory. As with other American intiatives.

 No.1264312

>>1262933
its was used as a bargain card against China for murikan protectionism, they used this excuse to ban import of solar, cotton from the region to murika in the name of muh genocide but the actual purpose was to artificially keep competition out of local market

 No.1264320

File: 1668247215061-1.jpg (25.61 KB, 600x385, xinijang.jpg)

resources, its always resources

 No.1264325

>>1264226
NTA but I'm pretty sure he was implying that these are all obvious reasons that everyone on this board should already have thought of and there was no need to make a thread asking "why" over it.

 No.1264354

>>1263690
oh so youre a /pol/tard lmfao

 No.1264357

>>1263690
THE ONLY REASON XINJIANG'S BR IS DECLINING IS THAT CHINA IS BECOMING AN ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE, AND ECONOMIC POWERHOUSES GENERALLY HAVE LOW BIRTHRATES, LOOK AT SOUTH KOREA AND JAPAN. NOT GENOCIDE!

 No.1264475


Their guerrilla insurgency failed so they needed something else to fuck up the region

 No.1264987

>>1264357
the point I was making is that low regional birth rates are only used as evidence of genocide for countries they don't like and lambasted as insane conspiracy for countries they do. Thus the unifying principle is just their own interest for power, not some humanitarian principle.

 No.1265316

>>1262933
The same as their goal was when they made up another fake genocide that a huge amount of the world still believes happened (the "holodomor").

 No.1265320

File: 1668330736594.png (693.84 KB, 1419x846, holohoax.png)

>>1265316
We used to have a twitter shitposter here who trolled Azov twitter accounts and I made this for him.

 No.1265322

>>1263690
Dude are you actually stupid? The uyghur situation is defined as a genocide because Beijing deliberately put people in prison camps and told them not to breed. White people do not breed because of capitalism, not because jews put black agents in white houses.

Besides, why would the jews push for white genocide? White people literally are the number one supporter of the jewish apartheid state of Israel. If the white race goes kaputt tomorrow brown Palestinians will just roll over to Tel Aviv and kill every jew they find. This white genocide conspiracy is akin to a fat porky saying that he's actually black because he suffered from advanced diabetes just like most african americans

 No.1265325

>>1265322
>Beijing deliberately put people in prison camps and told them not to breed
source: your ass

 No.1265326

Multipolaristas have reached a point where they will simp for a genocidal pseudofascist state just to own the American hegemony. China can quite literally gas turks with zyklon b and you will find 'leftists' (PLA glowies) justifying it

 No.1265328

>>1265322
>Put people in prison camps
Those were jihadists you moron. The civilian population was untouched. Stop gargling the CNN and wake the fuck up.

 No.1265339

>>1265326
Kill yourself you fraud. If anyone here is a glowie it's you for repeating State Department talking points and having a CNN-tier understanding of China.

 No.1265404

File: 1668342564517.png (1.74 MB, 1280x833, Silk road.png)


 No.1265977

>>1264354
The demographic genocide argument which is offered by Zenz and largely accepted by western leftists is not meaningful distinct from white genocide.

 No.1265982

>>1265326
Good lord. By the way the “camps” are closed— they’ve been emptied for years now. Not a joke. Not contested by activists, either. The VETC system was wound down and ended all the way before the pandemic. Meanwhile, Xinjiang is now the most touristed region in the world. Nobody is getting killed. Never were and never would have ever happened. The idea that it was ever plausible to people like you is a testament to unbelievable ignorance and racism.

 No.1265987

>>1265316
The difference here is that there was a famine the holodomor shit is joust based around whether it was intentional or not. In Xinijiang there was simply never anything of the kind. It was a completely fabricated genocide. Literally whole fake with actually 0 dead people.

 No.1266557

File: 1668420447642.jpg (1.76 MB, 3835x3950, 3in3h5b20on61.jpg)

Is there any way to address the deception among American liberals without them instantly looking at you like you're a holocaust denier?

 No.1266591

>>1262933
yellow peril

 No.1266932

Is there any legitimate criticism to be leveled at China over their handling of this situation? Obviously western media is not going to be disinterested and a lot of this stuff seems to be manufactured, but I doubt they can manufacture a controversy like this entirely out of whole cloth. Does anyone know of any commentary on the situation from like Xinjiang residents or Uyghurs?

 No.1266951

>>1266932
May I suggest an unbiased and nonpartisan source such as Global Times

 No.1267016

>>1262933
Look at the 'Holodomor' and what that achieved for Ukrainian fascists

-Nazis picked it up and propagandised for it
-Nazis used it as justification for Operation Barbarossa because the "commies are deliberately starving people" despite Rulers handbook no.1 bread and circuses
-American Nazi William Randolph Hearst reprints Nazi and Ukronazis lies all across US which heightens witch-hunts against American communists
-gets uncovered as fake nonsense in 30s/40s
-gets a second wind with Robert Conquest and revives Ukrainian nationalism
-eventually provides cover for 2014 coup in Ukraine

The US and its fake gay vassal states faked Tiannenmen as well.
Turned it from a Western backed coup armed uprising where violent rioters killed unarmed Chinese soldiers to "muh fag students were innocently massacred"

They get endless mileage out of this. My guess is the US will eventually use this to declare war on China

 No.1267034

File: 1668447618619.png (801.42 KB, 1193x669, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1265339
>posting buzzfeed news, BBC, CNN, and even quoting the fucking UK uyghur tribunal (which btw was also where they had to admit, on camera, that they could only actually confirm a total amount detained of ~5500

its like youre not even trying to be taken seriously. genocide claims by the west are bad-faith scaremongering to dehumanize their enemies and foment eagerness to nuke a fifth of the world population - or do you believe any international actions by the west have been done with even an honest attempt to defend rights and not instead advance private interests? why people on leftypol of all places are carrying water for state department propaganda is beyond me.

also, theres a reason why testimony doesn't hold up for shit in a real court, people can say whatever the fuck they want so there's no way to pin a guilty verdict based on it alone - and so far in these bullshit articles you posted, its all heresay testimonials being presented in rags that have been well established as consent manufacturers. where is your critical thinking in this situation?

vid related, here's your precious retarded uyghur tribunal funded by highly biased and laser focused special interest groups and governments who STILL can't obfuscate the fact only 5.5k have been 'confirmed', not 2.5 million+. The whole tribunal is a waste of like ~50 hours of your life but this is one example of many if you want to scrub through, where when they get asked actual questions about numbers or methodology, you can hear them fumble and turn red when they have to say the quiet part out loud, which is that its all made up nonsense and their methodology does not hold up under satisfactory scrutiny. you certainly could never convict someone on murder if this was the level of evidence you had as a prosecutor, so why do claims of genocide by a state require such a lack of rigor? this part of the vid is actually about people looking at buildings in Xinjiang on google images, asooming they're concentration camps, and then asooming average detainment cell size and then asooming expected density in each cell (like, 10 people per cell), and thus concluding on their mountain of asoomptions that twenty gorillion uyghurs are currently being detained until its their turn in the furnaces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aLUj1sQDgQ&t=11138s

 No.1267042

>>1266557
>Is there any way to address the deception among American liberals without them instantly looking at you like you're a holocaust denier?

see, this is what spooks me the most about all this and why its such a powerful propaganda move. even more depressingly, it should be perfectly reasonable to present nuance or rejection of the narrative - after all, its the west making bold, far-reaching accusations of a deliberate genocide of a minority peoples within China's borders. We pride ourselves on a legal system that declares individuals to be innocent until proven guilty, the onus of proof is on the west for their outlandish claims and China is given benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, like you said, denying ridiculous and unfounded claims is tantamount to being a holocaust denier. i dunno man. people deserve whatever happens to them if they so eagerly think and act as retardedly as possible. im all out of blackpills to swallow at this point.

 No.1267049

>>1267034
>10 people per cell
sorry, i meant to say that their claims are 40 people to a cell.

 No.1267564

>>1267016
>Turned it from a Western backed coup armed uprising where violent rioters killed unarmed Chinese soldiers to "muh fag students were innocently massacred"
so basically Tiananmen is a repeat of September 30, 1965? wow

 No.1267569

>>1266557
Just ask them: If Xinjiang then why not West Papua?

 No.1267584

>>1266557
>Is there any way to address the deception among American liberals without them instantly looking at you like you're a holocaust denier?
30 Muslim majority nations visited Xinjiang and agree that no genocide is happening. False accusations of Genocide were used by NATO to destroy Yugoslavia and Libya. Watch this video to know why the USA has a preoccupation with Xinjiang of all places

 No.1267586

>>1267034
Can you even read or do you not even understand that I was arguing AGAINST genocide by pointing out all the inconsistencies in US MSM "testimonies".

 No.1267587

File: 1668474416788.mp4 (6.09 MB, 1280x720, the holodomor bus.mp4)


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 No.1267597

>>1267587
>this is what Ukrainian tax money was wasted on
lol

 No.1267601

>>1267597
it was wasted on a lot worse than that

 No.1267602

You can't justify aggresion against other countries by saying they're an inferior race incapable of self governing anymore. You have to make them look like Nazis, the US has done this with literally every intervention since WWII. The only exceptions to this are Colombia (post-1991) and Panama, which were all couched in the War on Drugs.

 No.1267607

despite what bootlicking tankies insist forced assimilation and totalitarian police states aren't ok; doesn't matter if the state department blew their wad in claiming genocide, this topic exposes all sides for what they are, anti-human rights authoritarians

 No.1267610

>>1266932
Theres plenty of expat/refugee Uyghurs who have spoken out and described the situation there. Despite what tankies say, there is absolutely a systematic human rights abuse campaign going on in Xinjiang. Tankies like to grasp at linguistic straws over muh genocide to make it seem like a nothingburger.

 No.1267641

If yall read Michael Parenti you´d know that while no, 1,000,000 Uyghurs are not being shoved into ovens, yes they are being colonized by liberal policies.

I´m sorry to deflate your boner but capitalism requires homogenization of the market in order to predict it and monopolize it. That is what is happening in Xinjiang, its easier to let that happen in Xinjiang because of jihadi separatists, which is used as a useful cover. This is literally how capital operates, this is the path the PRC chose when it accepted market reforms. It should not surprise anyone that they are like this when their whole 20th century history after the defeat of Chiang and the Japanese is infested with awful and traitorous foreign policy decisions, which are limited to but not including:
- Support of Pol Pot because Vietnam was more closely aligned with the USSR than the PRC
- Aiding the fucking jihadis in Afghanistan against the Afghani socialists and the USSR
- Abandonment of the Maoist guerrillas in the Philippines and India
- Owning 1/10th of the debt of the African continent

The ¨Chinese miracle¨ has had its clear benefits, but it also has come at a very real, very dangerous cost. Right now the PRC is closer to fucking Denmark than the USSR, with only the promise of a leftward shift coming from the tenure of pres. Xi. Will the party bureaucrats side with the bourgeoisie when push comes to shove? Will the army be a squabbling, impotent mess of traitors and drunks like what happened during the late 80s and early 90s in the USSR?. Only time will tell. But if you´re going to soberly analyze material realities of our time y´all will need to not ideologically coddle what the PRC has become

 No.1267645

>>1267641
well, that last part is XXIst century but hey

 No.1267652

>>1267607
>despite what bootlicking tankies insist forced assimilation
Which is why they have an autonomous zone instead of a detroid like in the US
>totalitarian police states aren't ok;
>totalitarian
Anarchism not being a rectal extension of liberalism challenge: Impossible.

 No.1267653

>>1267607
So what is the solution here?

 No.1267655

>>1267653
reeducate those people seduced by jihadi extremism and create soviets for workers

but soviet socialism is not what is happening, its ¨command economy¨ or ¨state capitalism¨ or whatever nth nickname the baizuo have come up with it. Which means that private interests hold a commanding portion of power within the socialist system of the PRC, which means that the Chinese bourgeoisie, as bourgeoisie wont to do, will colonize and homogenize and commodify everything they can get their grubby little paws on

 No.1267667

Love it how I´m basically repeating what the black flag poster said but no one is screeching at me and saying that I´m wrong

 No.1267674

>>1267667
Goes to show how not acting like a retard changes how you are perceived by others.

 No.1267682

>>1267674
Unless the extant cultural characteristics of the Uyghur peoples in Xinjiang can be commodified in a competitive manner, they will be scrubbed away by the cultural monopoly of culture-owning bourgeoisie. This is in effect, a form of genocide-as-assimilation. The Uyghur proles are not organized in a soviet so that they may holistically and democratically apply dialectical methods to surpass their contradictions, but are being forced into consuming han chinese products, assimilating into han chinese cultural characteristics and becoming less Uyghur

 No.1267684

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>>1267652
>Anarchism not being a rectal extension of liberalism challenge: Impossible.
Ok, you got me there.

 No.1267745

>>1267607
>human rights
where do human rights come from?

>authoritarians

workers dictatorship is good

>>1267610
>plenty of expat/refugee Uyghurs who have spoken out
how many are ETIM?

>>1267641
>capitalism requires homogenization of the market
does socialism not require proletarianization of the peasents? was ussr doing capitalism when it collectivized smallholder farms?

>>1267655
>state capitalism
sounds a lot like socialism to me what is the difference?

 No.1267748

>>1262933
That's such an unconventional start to a wikipedia article.

 No.1267809

>>1267745
>where do human rights come from?
From God itself

 No.1267823

File: 1668488989464.webm (2.41 MB, 960x754, force.webm)

>>1267745
>where do human rights come from?

 No.1267824

>>1267682
>Unless the extant cultural characteristics of the Uyghur peoples in Xinjiang can be commodified in a competitive manner, they will be scrubbed away by the cultural monopoly of culture-owning bourgeoisie. This is in effect, a form of genocide-as-assimilation.

This is the very wide scope of genocide proposed originally by Raphael Lemkin. A much more narrow definition is what got ratified by the Geneva convention. I think you can tell why. If everyone had ratified Lemkin's scope, nearly every nation on Earth would be admitting guilt.

>The Uyghur proles are not organized in a soviet so that they may holistically and democratically apply dialectical methods to surpass their contradictions, but are being forced into consuming han chinese products, assimilating into han chinese cultural characteristics and becoming less Uyghur


What do you propose the Chinese do? Grant them total autonomy? Let the East Turkestan far right anticommunist nationalists have their way? Let the most important corridor in the BRI fall into the hands of a bunch of CIA-backed reactionaries? I don't see an option for China that doesn't involve shooting themselves in the foot.

 No.1267854

Because when China does it with Uyghurs it's genocide. When the US does it with migrants it's individuals at fault and no responsibility is held by the government…because….reasons. Apparently from posts I see ITT on it's reversed on /leftypol/ it's only bad when the US does it…… because…reasons.

While yes it's not genocide it's not nothing either.

 No.1267862

>>1267809
Human rights are Philistine rights because I don't believe in either.
t. Judge Samson

 No.1267867

File: 1668493126668.jpg (152.71 KB, 720x1112, HELP IM BEING GENOCIDED.jpg)

>>1267854
Point me to where America is giving free education, job training, and growing the economy for its migrants, and I will concede your point. You tards always draw false equivalencies just like how you all pretend the West is defending Ukraine when Ukrainians themselves had a much better quality of life under their "pro russian" presidents.

 No.1267868

>>1267809
haha nice impersonation

 No.1267920

>>1267867
GDP is just a measure of products and services sold not a measure of quality of life for individuals (for example coffins cost money) and really if you're going to use it as a measure GDP per capita is more accurate as GDP often rises with population growth by itself. It's just such a porky way of thinking. I'm not really saying the oppression of the whole of Uyghur culture just the Muslims. As much as I hate Islam you don't want to wind up with a repeat of the Iranian revolution that created an Islamic theocracy in reaction to the oppression by the CIA planted Shah. Now Im not saying what China did is exactly the same as that just if they aren't careful they will get exactly what they were trying to stop.

Anyway point isn't a direct comparison in a broad sense but drawing parallels between migrant detention centres in the US with the reeducation programs in China. I'm just saying it could have been managed better since there is enough evidence of problems with at least some of the people working in there abusing people which i wont blindly assume are orders from above like propoganda would like to point to. Just because the CPC claims to be communist doesnt make China a communist utopia that should be free of any fair level of scrutiny. In fact there is a Maoist party in China that hates the CPC for being reformist.

 No.1267932

>>1262933
The first reason is obvious: to demonize China. The other reason is to brainwash the so-called "progressives" to support a more hawkish view on China

 No.1267945

>>1267867
> you all pretend the West is defending Ukraine when Ukrainians themselves had a much better quality of life under their "pro russian" presidents.
reminder that yanukovych was couped because he didn't wanna take out an IMF loan from the US and instead chose a better aid package from russia

 No.1268062

>>1267824
>I think you can tell why. If everyone had ratified Lemkin's scope, nearly every nation on Earth would be admitting guilt.
Damn, maybe they should.

>What do you propose the Chinese do? -

Absolutely patriarchal fucking mindset, what an embarrassment. What should a communist country indeed do to fight against extreme reaction in another place? See>>1267655

 No.1268064

>>1268062
But also, nearly every nation is cope

 No.1268066

>>1267867
>There is no genocide becaue GDP line go up

 No.1268068

>>1267607
human rights are a spook you worthless anarchist

 No.1268072

>>1267745
>capitalism requires homogenization of the market
>does socialism not require proletarianization of the peasents? was ussr doing capitalism when it collectivized smallholder farms?
Unhinged and active misinterpretation of what is happening in Xinjiang. Uyghurs are not Chinese, the Chinese bourgeoisie is in effect, monopolizing the Uyghur market and forcing them to consume from Chinese producers

>state capitalism

>sounds a lot like socialism to me what is the difference?
<Socialism is when the government plans the economy, along private interests, the more planning it does along private interests the more socialister it becomes

 No.1268073

>>1267748
i wonder why?

 No.1268085

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>>1267920
>there is enough evidence of problems with at least some of the people working in there abusing people
disregarding the fact that heresay testimonials in rags that historically carry water for state department narratives are meaningless due to the lack of rigor available to verify the claims, find me one (1) example of this not being presented by Qelbinur Sidik or Tursunay Ziawudun. while you're searching, please take note of how many fucking articles out there only use these two as sources, for a supposed 2 million+ detained.

 No.1268235

>>1268068
Cool, lets play it by your rules then! Please face the wall

 No.1268260

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>>1268066
>There is a genocide because …. because there just is, OK?!?!

 No.1268266

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>>1267932
The third reason you didn't list is a lot more important: To support East Turkestan nationalism, which would cause chaos in Xinjiang which is the corridor between Afghanistan and China, thus fucking with one of the most important areas to the Belt and Road Initiative.

 No.1268267

File: 1668531963425.png (694.43 KB, 640x841, ETIM.png)

>>1267745
>how many are ETIM?
notice how they never answered

 No.1268268

>>1268267
it's all just another tired sequel to operation cyclone. If sanctions, coups, embargoes, and sabotage are not enough to wear down a rival's sovereignty, The West will resort to proxy wars and arming of right extremists.

 No.1268295

>>1268267
Maybe its more of the fact you faggots use acronyms so loosely here that it derails discussions? Also, everything about your pics fails basic source criticism, literally /pol/ infograph-tier unless you can provide an actual source

 No.1268296

>>1268267
>>1268268
>infographics without a source
lefty /pol/ indeed

 No.1268310

>>1268296
>believing deliberate radicalization of muslims in the ME was never the goal of US foreign/military policy
ok faggot

 No.1268637

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 No.1268786

>>1268260
Not the point I was making, assmonkey

 No.1268830

>>1268637
>>1268310
>exercising basic critical thinking skills is soy and cringe

is this the final form of imageboard culture

 No.1268849

>>1268830
1) put the quotes into google books
2) find book title
3) download from libgen

u use those critical thinks urself instead of posting

 No.1269498

>>1268066
Ah yes because we all know jewish GDP went up during the holocaust and not down…

 No.1269574

>>1268849
when I quote books I actually cite them like you're supposed to instead of being a lazy asshole

 No.1269598

>>1268830
prove this wrong

 No.1269604

>>1268296
>infographics without a source
operation cyclone is literally a declassified CIA operation you fucking imbecile. The source for my left image in >>1268268 is Washington Bullets by Vijay Prashad. The source in the right image is literally listed. Kill your self.

 No.1269606

>>1268296
here's an actual US military official admitting that ETIM was used to interrupt belt and road initiative. kill your self.

 No.1269610

File: 1668574025744.png (1.84 MB, 1200x774, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1268296
here's the source for the quote in the original french, which was listed in the fucking image you claimed had no source. Kill yourself.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article165889.html

 No.1269611

>>1267641
Interesting how you manage do wrap up your burger propaganda ("debt trap", Xinjiang "colonized") in radical lefty lingo. Very smooth.

 No.1269617

>>1269574
do you actually have a dispute with the information or are you just mad people post images on imageboards

there are a expat/refugee Uyghurs that have ties to ETIM and even have ISIS affiliated flags in their testimonial videos that are funded and backed by US and Turkey to travel to Afghanistan and Syria for terrorist training

and "speaking out" is not evidence of "a systematic human rights abuse campaign"

 No.1269619

>>1268296
here's a full English translation of the interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski
https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2013/04/20/the-cias-founding-of-al-qaeda-documented/

 No.1309697

>>1262940
spot on OP

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 No.1309709

>>1263934
Please stop replying to this poster outside of /edu/.

 No.1309711

>>1268830
>expecting an infographic to have a bibliography
b-b-b-but reddit made infographs seem so cool, I can't believe I can't learn everything from pictures. r/mildyinfuriating

 No.1321452

Is there a term for the west's approach of making up a genocide, and then their drones doing nothing but bringing up the "genocide" whenever china is brought up to drown out all other discourse? Like you can't even talk about china's high speed rail without some westoid npc barging in and screaming about the uyghurs. A part of it is atrocity propaganda but is there something that also encompasses how they've not only made up an atrocity but also base all their arguments and sense of moral superiority on those entirely fabricated claims?

 No.1321691

>>1321452
"poisoning the well" comes to mind

 No.1321711

how can you prove it's made up?

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 No.1321800

I probably wouldn't like being sent to a reeducation camp, but Russia flattened their equivalent of Urumqi on two separate occasions with 1960s-era weapons (not very precise suffice to say) and the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and killed a million people to deal with its terrorism problem. But we can't have that discussion.

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 No.1321898

>>1263073
further related
USA can't into war crimes, by decree of the law, which USA itself wrote

 No.1322320

America accuses its geopolitical enemies of genocide so freely I'm surprised Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba haven't been accused of genocide already.

 No.1322612

>>1321800
>invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and killed a million people to deal with its terrorism problem
lol,they conveniently ignored the countries where the terrorists did come from (Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states),they didn't do shit against terrorism,it was just a pretext.

 No.1322682

If the separatists love Sharia so much, why don't they just move to Afghanistan?

 No.1322713

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>>1269606
>>1267745
>>1268267

CLAIM: The East Turkistan Islamic Movement is a terrorist group operating in Xinjiang.

VERDICT: FALSE

THE FACTS: Um no sweaty. Not only is the ETIM not a terrorist organization, but they don't even exist anymore, okay? They just don't.

 No.1322743

I can't substantiate this, but what if the CIA is helping China hide this by trying to get people to associate them with the evidence? Sometimes the glow has layers, right?

 No.1322755

>>1322743
> the CIA is helping China
the Chinese government has literally killed CIA moles and dismantled CIA spy networks in recent history.

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 No.1322760

>>1322713
Yeah but are we really going to be mad about somebody editing their terror list.
Does this have real world consequences or something ?

Can we make our own list and put the CIA on it ?

 No.1322762


 No.1322804

>>1322755
True, but China has intelligence agencies too, it could be they know getting along would be for the betterment of the intelligence industry. Like, 7 eyes is better than 5, right?

 No.1322806

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>>1322804
No. That's dumb.

 No.1328733

>>1322804
The only important eye is America, which is why that organization of intelligence agencies works. China is a competitor to America; it has no reason to subordinate itself to America, and America has no reason to cooperate with a rising rival power.

 No.1328849

>>1328733
>America has no reason
they could easily find one if they really wanted,by engineering a fake rivalry with China and reestablishing bipolarity in secret with their accord in order to stabilize both of their spheres of influence instead of having a real rivalry over multiple emergent countries they're not guarranteed to win.(I am not saying they're currently doing it,I read an anti-EU right-winger saying that as the worst possibility to happen in order to curb multipolarity)

 No.1334978

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At this point I'm convinced that this thing was invented by fascists soley to discredit Communists.

What's the dumbest "horeshoe theory" take you've heard?

 No.1334979

To distract from their ongoing genocides against Syrians and Russians

 No.1335027

>>1321711
>placing the burden of proof on the accused, as opposed to those making the accusations in the first place
probably one of the most severely damaging aspects of modern discourse is this exact take applied to any and all alleged atrocities that pop up. the severity of claims such as genocide bring with them an equal severity on the accuser to rigorously defend their position - the implications of such things being true would have global reverberations, so its irresponsible, dangerous and highly stupid to be throwing them around and treating them as true without proper due diligence. innocence should be presumed, not guilt. (unless its the united states federal government and its myriad appendages)

 No.1335028

>>1322713
>condemned by China
yes, and like a dozen other countries and global institutions. removing terrorist cells from your list to own the chinks is an astonishing act of retardation (although i know its because they want to be able to funnel money and supplies to them instead)

 No.1335049

>>1262933
>What is America's end-goal with making up a completely fake genocide?
It's the US ruling class that is doing this, most people living on that continent are not onboard, even if they might have been fooled by it. Falling for a deception is not the same as consent.

You can think about it as a battle between two directions of representing reality.

The first one seeks to find out the truth about reality and create as accurate representations of it as they can.
The second one strives towards obfuscating objective reality mostly for selfish reasons.

The second group who makes shit up can act much faster, because they don't have to go through the slow process of documenting and evaluating evidence, but the first group always wins in the long run. Lies can only be upheld temporarily.

You have to admit that they are very skilled, they are making many people believe their bullshit. However societies that do not believe in lies of this type are more successful, and hence there is a strong adaptation pressure to develop resiliency against it. Eventually the manipulation methods will be fully understood, become documented, analyzed and then societies will change to negate the effects. Religious institutions used to be so powerful that they could define reality, but it didn't last the enlightenment swept it away.

If you want to be part of the first group, you could start by documenting their lies and try to understand how they work.

 No.1335062

>>1334978
That Stalin wanted to attack Hitler first, and Hitler merely defended himself from Stalin by preemptively attacking USSR


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