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 No.1275542[View All]

>Turkey launches operation against Kurdish militants in Iraq, Syria: Defense minister
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2022/11/20/Turkey-launches-operation-against-Kurdish-militants-in-Iraq-Syria-Defense-minister-

>ISTANBUL, Nov 20 (Reuters) - Turkey's defence ministry said on Sunday that 89 targets, including shelters and ammunition depots, were destroyed in air strikes on Kurdish militant bases in northern Iraq and northern Syria.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkish-air-strikes-destroy-89-kurdish-militant-targets-syria-iraq-ministry-2022-11-20/

Where's the international outrage? Where are the sanctions on Turkey? Oh that's right, NATO countries are allowed to bomb and invade their neighbours and whoever else they want when they want.

This is that "rules-based" order we hear so much about.
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 No.1276624


>>1276606
>The situation in Syria is very complicated and nothing is set in stone now. SDF and Damascus are negotiating and the latest Turkish attack is only going to make both sides to make compromises. I'm hopeful.

Please let this happen

 No.1276626

>>1276430
Isn't Hamas mostly Lebanon based? So even if they have different interest in Lebanon, could they find co-operation in Syria still? Two fronting Assad and the Kurds to a capture of Damascus, to me militarily makes sense. Isn'treal wants more land in the golan heights… turkey wants more of Syria, seems like a match made in heaven. Is it the fact that turkey is to Islamic to see themselves fighting with Zionist Jews for mutual interest, I imagine the Turkish citizens as Muslims are quite pro-Palestine

 No.1276843

>>1276626
Hamas is mostly Qatari based, at least the top leadership. Though I imagine that some officials are in Turkey as well, Turkey gives them money too, not sure how much though. Regardless though, I think the Turks and Israelis will find some way to still end up collaborating together in Syria.

 No.1276849

>>1276843
>I think the Turks and Israelis will find some way to still end up collaborating together in Syria.
Don't they both hate Iran?

 No.1276959

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Russia urges Turkey to show 'restraint' in Syria

Moscow hopes Turkey will refrain from using of "excessive force" following Turkish strikes against Kurdish fighters in Syria and Iraq. Ankara is threatening to launch a ground offensive.

A Kremlin envoy on Tuesday said he hoped Turkey would refrain from using of "excessive force" in Syria amid a new escalation in a years-long war. The appeal comes after Turkey launched a deadly air strike against Kurdish fighters in Syria and Iraq over the weekend, killing dozens.

"We will call on our Turkish colleagues for restraint aimed to prevent escalation of tensions, not only in the northern and northeastern regions of Syria, but on its entire territory," said Alexander Lavrentyev, special envoy to Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti.

"Russia has for months … done everything possible to prevent any large-scale ground operation," Lavrentyev added. He also noted that Turkey did not notify Moscow before launching the air strike, according to RIA.

 No.1277221

>>1275600
Fun fact: Urk is a city in the Netherlands that is infamous across the country for being a dump filled with inbred far-right christian fundamentalist idiot fishermen, so this fits

 No.1277840

>>1276843
You know what I think I got Hezbollah and hamas confused my bad.

 No.1277872

Without a doubt, the Kurds have been victims of several genocides. Kurds in Turkey have been fighting against the roach regime - we should support this.
But, I think the PKK are pretty sus. I don't like Ocalan. They stopped being Marxists long ago.
And it shouldn't be forgotten that Kurds in the service of the Ottamans carried out genocide against Assyrians, Yazidis, and other ethnic groups, and the YPG in Syria continues to ethnically cleanse non-Kurds from the areas they claim to be Kurdistan. I don't trust Kurdish nationalists.

 No.1277874

>>1277872
>in Syria continues to ethnically cleanse non-Kurds from the areas they claim to be Kurdistan
People have been claiming this for years, but there were cases of such claims being debunked. Back around 2016-17 there were claims that YPG fighters were forcing Arabs out of their homes, but then it turned out they were just temporarily evacuating them to clear ISIS booby traps and weapons caches. What is the evidence for these claims now?

 No.1278148

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every time i hear about the Kurds it just makes me think of cheese curds and then i have to go order some poutine. every fuckin time

 No.1278192

>>1278148
Least stereotypical Canadian.

 No.1278195

3 Children died after PKK's terror attacks this week but no need to mention that since op prolly doesn't give a rats ass about that.
As retaliation, TAF bombed training centres, cave network all that stuff but most importantly, they bombed oil refineries.
Oil refineries where US proxy, KCK's syria wing YPG process stolen Syrian oil and sell it off to the first world. Huh. Compared to Russians who don't have the balls to shoot down reapers over the black sea which guide Ukrainian missiles, I'd say we are better at this anti imperialism thing.

I'm a half kurdish, Turkish marxist and i wish the best to our military as it dismantles disgusing american proxies hold on Syria. No more oil stealing narco terrorist proxies across our borders. We're gonna make buddies with Assad and ram our cocks up some apoist ass. Cope and seethe libs.

 No.1278197

>>1278195
>I wish the best to a NATO army as it invades Syria!
>I'm a Marxist btw
Kek
>We're gonna make buddies with Assad and ram our cocks up some apoist ass
Assad is allied with the SDF dipshit.

 No.1278202

>>1278197
The only NATO state to not embargo Russia? to cockblock swedes/finns entry into NATO? to be kicked out of F35 for dismantling CIA op gulenist network & buying russian AA? Also quite a funny argument considering the side you're defending is a drug smuggling, ethnic cleansing, oil stealing US proxy. Lmao

Assad will ditch YPG the second Turkey ditches the rebels. Which is %100 gonna happen.

 No.1278205

>>1278195
holy glow

 No.1278210

>>1278202
>The only NATO state to not embargo Russia? to cockblock swedes/finns entry into NATO? to be kicked out of F35 for dismantling CIA op gulenist network & buying russian AA?
<Noooo you don't understand, this is a BASED NATO country!
>Assad will ditch YPG the second Turkey ditches the rebels.
Then why has Turkey been bombing the SAA?

 No.1278214

>>1278195
>Turkish marxist
actual Turkish Marxists are engaged in PPW in Eastern Turkey, not sucking the dick of Erdogan.
Begone roach.

 No.1278276

>>1278214

are maoists always this retarded? yeah man, ppw in turkey sure. i'm sure the masses sympathize with them and not the random cop or prosecutor they murder. lmao

>>1278210
Are you dense? Again, the side you're defending, apart from killing children and civvies with bombings, has done nothing but steal syrian oil and sell it off to first world.
Turkey on the other hand has been cockblocking US/NATO projects in the region for a decade now. Why do you think they're arming the Greeks now? lmao.
Also, dead SAA? Erdogan just today talked about meeting Assad. doesn't matter a few dead SAA on YPG held territory.
>>1278205
yeah man, the broke ass turkish state is paying people to astroturf leftypol, lol

 No.1278282

Enlightenment built a western identity almost exclusively based on hate of the Turk. So sad so called marxists can't see past this.
Also, actual Turkish marxists share my view lmao. Yalçın küçük, Deniz gezmiş. etc. Turns out, you don't need to be a self hating prick to be a communist.

 No.1278284

>>1278276
>apart from killing children and civvies with bombings
As opposed to the Turkish backed jihadists, who have never harmed anybody lmao.
>has done nothing but steal syrian oil and sell it off to first world
You mean like Russia is still doing through proxies like Azerbaijan?
>Turkey on the other hand has been cockblocking US/NATO projects in the region for a decade now
Turkey is a NATO project.
>doesn't matter a few dead SAA on YPG held territory
Cope, the Turkish NATO imperialists are bombing Syrian army positions in a direct attack on the Syrian state. Even Russia has told them not to escalate the situation.

 No.1278370

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>>1278284
moron, who said i support that? it's erdogans fuckery, he was in bed with the americans which is what led us to fight against Assad instead of collabing with him against us proxy pkk in the first place.

also, Azerbeijan is a russian proxy? man you are stupid. And probably a westerner considering.

lmao @ turkey is a NATO project. It is true the Turkish revolution was betrayed and hijacked by counterrevolutionaries after 50s. Which is what led us to abandon Soviets & join NATO in the first place. However, us Turkish patriots & socialists cheerish all attempts at breaking away from American chains. Us bombing YPG oil refineries do damage to American hegamony in the region. It blocks American & Israeli projects on Syria.
pic: Revolutionary Deniz Gezmiş with a sign that reads Total Independence for Turkey, Mustafa Kemal March, Deniz was hanged after a CIA led coup. He was a patriot and a revolutionary.

 No.1278384

>>1276338
defo a turkoid agent

 No.1278385

>>1278370
It's really amusing watching you try to fit the aggressive actions of a NATO country against an actually anti-imperialist state within your deranged Turkish nationalist mindset. The result is a kind of incoherent schizophrenia that I haven't seen since the likes of Haz or King Lear.

 No.1278393

>>1278195
>YPG process stolen Syrian oil and sell it off to the first world.
like Syria?
>On April 23, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), a UK-based conflict monitor, reported that “tens of trucks filled with fuel” arrived in regime-controlled territory from SDF-controlled parts of Deir ez-Zor in eastern Syria, where most of Syria’s oil reserves are located.

>Importing oil from SDF-controlled areas, through middlemen, has become one of the few alternative options available to Damascus to at least partially alleviate the pressure.  


>“The Kurdish-led SDF control the majority of Syria’s oil resources,” he said. “It’s therefore in the Syrian government’s own interests to improve relations with the Kurds.”


>While the US does not approve of the SDF selling oil to Damascus, since it partially eases the immense economic pressure on the regime, there is no indication it has taken steps to stop it. Washington likely understands the SDF’s need to generate revenues to govern the one-third of Syria it currently controls. 


>Damascus pays the SDF an average of $8 to $10 per barrel. This figure could increase to as much as $20 in the near future. 

https://www.rudaw.net/english/analysis/04052019

>>1278276
>yeah man, the broke ass turkish state is paying people to astroturf leftypol, lol
>he does it for free
lol

 No.1279198

>>1276227
Those terrorist lists are of no legal consequence because it tends to be a case-by-case decision by a court whether a cell of militants is considered to be terrorists. Germany sentenced a bunch of TKP/ML activists to prison even though they are not on Germany's list of terrorist organizations. Those lists mostly serve to exclude applicants for state officials that have ties to those organizations.

The US does contradictory shit like this all the time, you must really be new to politics to not understand this, it's a divide and conquer strategy. The US armed the YPG and SDF and worked with them to occupy a large chunk of Syrian land stealing their oil and preventing them from accessing the Tabqa Dam which a main source for hydroenergy for Syria and bombed it even. Kurds were complicit in all of this.

On the other hand, Assad needs to sometimes break bread with them because of the Turkish incursion.

There is no "pro-American" or "pro-Assad" faction amongst the Rojava Kurds. They are not good or bad, they are just opportunists who like to play both sides and they are pretty good at that, including their PR campaign amongst the Western leftist "scene" that considers them noble savages.

Also, the PKK is on terrorist lists because they do terrorist attacks. I mean what do you expect?!

 No.1279218

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>>1279198
>Also, the PKK is on terrorist lists because they do terrorist attacks. I mean what do you expect?!
wewew wewew

 No.1279246

>>1279198
>including their PR campaign amongst the Western leftist "scene" that considers them noble savages.
imagine thinking this

 No.1279395

>>1279198
>they are just opportunists who like to play both sides and they are pretty good at that
Sounds based and multipolarist to me.

 No.1279470

>>1276361
>I find it ironic that some multipolarists hate the PYD
The fuck is going on? Is this the latest shit flinging which you come up against your boogeyman? But yeah since these things tend to stick this is total bullshit and this strategy, inventing things about somebody you don't like is most frustrating aspect of online anarchists and liberals which I know.

 No.1279523

>>1278370
>the Turkish revolution
what, the one where Turkish nationalists committed multiple genocides?

 No.1279543

>>1279470
>Is this the latest shit flinging which you come up against your boogeyman?
What boogeyman?
>inventing things about somebody you don't like
I'm not inventing anything, nor do I dislike multipolarists (I would consider myself one). It's just that others who claim to follow this same line clearly dislike the PYD due to their relationship with the US. Read this very thread if you don't believe me, or look at the entire discourse surrounding the 8chan split (assuming you aren't a newfag).

 No.1279549

>>1279546
>Kurds and Syria bad
>NATO invasion good
This is your brain on contrarianism.

 No.1279590

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>>1279554
>Turkey doing imperialism and bombing thirdworlders is good actually, because this time around it's negligably embarrassing to NATO
be better, anon

 No.1279597

>>1279554
>Turkey actually complicates the NATO alliance greatly and it's dishonest to keep pretending it's the whole of NATO behind this
If you're capable of recognizing that Turkey has its own interests and that its playing both sides rather than simply being a puppet of the US, why are you not capable of extending this recognition to Rojava?
>Turkey doing this is absolutely a good thing for us
Explain how bombing Syrian army positions is a good thing for us.

 No.1279614

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>>1279603
You people are such utter clowns. For years you screamed from the rooftops that the Syrian Kurds were US puppets because they hosted American troops and allowed the USAF to bomb ISIS. You said that they were planning to balkanize Syria, which was an anti-imperialist state that we all needed to support against the imperialism of NATO. Yet here we are, with the US presence in Rojava reduced to a few hundred troops hugging the Iraqi border, with the PYD having renounced the goal of independence, with both Damascus and Rojava coming under attack by a NATO country and working together to resist them. What is your response? To do a total 180 and shill for a NATO army as it invades Syria. What an absolute embarrassment you are.

 No.1279624

>>1279614
>>1279622
almost as if multipolarity has been rearing its head in lesser forms for a decade or so and we can't analyze things in terms of pure binaries the way actual retards do.

 No.1279626

>>1279614
>Syrian Kurds were US puppets because they hosted American troops and allowed the USAF to bomb ISIS
you probably mean bomb syrian army and hezbollah ? Russian air campaign clearly showed USA didnt give a shit about slowing isis in syria
and, predictably, US completely abandoned them and only used them to fuck with assad. As all the "anti kurds" said it would happen.
You can take US weapons and money, but giving them anything is always a bad move that will backfire. And if they still havent kicked them out despite being under attack by turkey, they're just plainly retarded.

Still supporting them against turks, but at some point you have to learn and shoot up the glowies approaching you.

 No.1279629

>>1279622
Cope. Most pro-Rojava people have also been pro-Assad for a long time now, myself included. It's been clear for years that their relationship is not inherently antagonistic and that there was potential for them to form a lasting alliance.

 No.1279639

>>1279635
I once held anti-Assad views several years ago, but unlike you I'm actually capable of learning and adjusting my positions when they are wrong. You're so pig headed that you can't even bring yourself to support Rojava when they are fighting alongside Damascus against an imperialist-aligned attacker. Your position is little more than retarded contrarianism rather than any serious analysis of the situation.

 No.1279646

>>1279641
>I have a hard time thinking of any disagreement where you were not on the wrong side initially.
It's better to be wrong at first and come around to the correct views than to be wrong and refuse to see reason, like what you're doing now.

 No.1279664

>>1279656
Not so atrocious as openly shilling for a NATO attack on Syria because "Kurds bad" lmao.

 No.1280329

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-24/tuerkiye-president-vows-to-invade-northern-syria/101691884
Türkiye's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan vows to launch ground invasion of northern Syria
>Ankara's allies, particularly Russia, have attempted to avert a ground incursion. However, Mr Erdogan said on Wednesday in a speech to his ruling party's legislators that the air operations were "just the beginning".

>He said Türkiye was determined to "close down all of our southern borders … with a security strip that will prevent the possibility of attacks on our country".


>Türkiye has carried out a series of incursions into Syria since 2016 and already controls parts of northern Syria.


<Mr Erdogan said the new military offensive, planned to take place "at the most convenient time for us" would target the regions of Tel Rifaat, Manbij and Kobani, which is also known by its Arabic name Ayn Al Arab.


<"The day is near when those concrete tunnels which the terrorists use for safety will become their graves," he said.


<The commander of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in north-east Syria, meanwhile, said his group was prepared to repel a Turkish ground invasion.


>>1279622

I always supported Assad and Rojava. The two never engaged in battle (maybe one in the very beginning?) and have been cooperating against ISIS and other US-backed "moderate rebels". I never believed Assad gassed his own people (dumb claim from the start) and think it was the moderate rebels using EU/German-made chemical weapons as per the pictures that came out after the attack.

Rojava WILL be an autonomous region within Syria. There's nothing your screeching on the internet can do to change that. It is in the interest of both sides, it's only a matter of time before they come to a compromise/agreement. The latest Turkish incursions might be the perfect catalyst for that.

 No.1280340

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>>1279622
Kindly fuck off, most pro-rojava posters here at worst were pro-critical support for assad too.

 No.1280417

>>1280329
wtf is with this "Türkiye" bullshit? I swear it only started to pop up like a year or so ago, but now its everywhere. First the Ukraine convinces retarded westerners that they have to say Keev and now every other nation is trying to foist this bullshit on us? Not fucking happening, it's Turkey.
Also, notice how this westoid news site goes out of their way to give Turkey their special little name, but it's "Syria" always, and never "Sūrīyah"

 No.1280639

>>1280417
The country officially changed its name in English. Like when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, the Congo became Zaire, etc.

 No.1280643

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>>1280417
Erodgan changed the name of the country.
I did a double take in the supermarket when I saw something like this though

 No.1280676

<Following a security meeting chaired by Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani, the Iraqi authorities decided “to deploy border guards along the borders with Turkey and Iran”.
reeeeee-

 No.1280678

>>1280329
>Ankara's allies, particularly Russia
lol wat
media is such a fucking joke

 No.1280818

>>1280639
>Like when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe
That's different though, that is actually a different name. "Türkiye" and "Turkey" are the same name.
>The country officially changed its name in English
"Türkiye" isn't English though, "Turkey" is already the English version of that.

Now sure, the English version of other countries' names is often pretty retarded. But if were going to make the effort to try to pronounce them better, lets start with nations that deserve it. I'm sure as shit not making a special exception for Turkey.

 No.1287292

Is it partly building justification for things like this post election if any do get through?
<Erdogan vows re-seizure of Kurdish municipalities should HDP win local elections
https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/story/17616-Erdogan-vows-re-seizure-of-Kurdish-municipalities-should-HDP-win-local-elections

It seems Kurdish representation will be wiped out as a political force in Turkey in the next few years.


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