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 No.1275542[Last 50 Posts]

>Turkey launches operation against Kurdish militants in Iraq, Syria: Defense minister
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2022/11/20/Turkey-launches-operation-against-Kurdish-militants-in-Iraq-Syria-Defense-minister-

>ISTANBUL, Nov 20 (Reuters) - Turkey's defence ministry said on Sunday that 89 targets, including shelters and ammunition depots, were destroyed in air strikes on Kurdish militant bases in northern Iraq and northern Syria.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkish-air-strikes-destroy-89-kurdish-militant-targets-syria-iraq-ministry-2022-11-20/

Where's the international outrage? Where are the sanctions on Turkey? Oh that's right, NATO countries are allowed to bomb and invade their neighbours and whoever else they want when they want.

This is that "rules-based" order we hear so much about.

 No.1275593

Protests in Germany, Sweden and Cyprus.

>Sympathizers of the PKK terrorist organization’s offshoot YPG

https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/war-on-terror/pkk-sympathizers-protest-turkiyes-claw-sword-air-op-in-stockholm
>PKK terrorist organization
Sweden sucking up to Turkey so they could ascend to NATO.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/protesters-germany-cyprus-condemn-turkey-075324977.html

EU politicians don't care, Kurds aren't "white". Next time someone mentions Ukraine, ask them if they know about this.

That's why Turkey was quick to blame PKK for the Istanbul bombing, so they could continue their campaign of terror against the Kurds.

 No.1275594

>>1275593
Shut the fuck up, the destruction of the US vassal Kurdish state is leading us to a based multipolar world.(t. turkish agent)

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 No.1275601

>>1275594
Mehmet foh

 No.1275621

>>1275594
Vassal state destroyed by another vassal state lmao

 No.1275701

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>>1275594
Fuck all NATO members. All my homies hate NATO members.

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>>1275542
Apparently, a lot of SAA forces got killed during the Turkroach airstrikes too. Doesn't that make it an official act of war against the Syrian government as well?
This might actually result in a Turkroach BTFO, because they might be fighting both the Kurds and regular Syrian forces this time, considering their poor performance last time they attacked.
Who am I kidding? This is worst timeline. Fascoids are going to win and /ourguys/ are going to die, aren't they?

 No.1275719

>>1275716
Hopefully this will at least force the PYD closer to Damascus and suppress the pro-American faction.

 No.1275884

>>1275716
>they might be fighting both the Kurds and regular Syrian forces this time
They've actually been fighting YPG/YPJ and SAA forces since the first incursion couple of years ago. Until then SAA and SDF had an unofficial agreement not to fight, but when Turkey invaded Syria, SDF invited SAA forces north to help them defend the border. Since then they have been actively cooperating.

"Rojava" is an autonomous region within federated Syria.

>The SDF has responded to Turkey’s threats and mobilization by raising the regime’s flag, insinuating to Ankara that they will have to deal with Bashar al-Assad if they attack these areas. Farhad Shami, SDF's head of communications said in a statement that the SDF had been bracing for this battle with Turkey for some time, adding that if Turkey attacked, the forces would stop fighting ISIS in order to start military operations against the Turkish invasion.


<Kurdish Leadership on a Shift Towards Russia and the Assad Regime


>Turkey’s movements are playing into Russian pressure on the SDF to join with the Syrian regime’s forces, according to Russia’s special envoy to Syria, Alexander Lavrentiev. In response to the Russian request to incorporate the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) within the al-Assad regime, Ilham Ehmed, chair of the Syrian Democratic Council, stated in a meeting recently held in Raqqa that the SDF had “become a force to be reckoned with” and that would be best to find a proper solution. This speech appeared to suggest that the SDF was weighing a political solution that would integrate the SDF and the Syrian army via certain mechanisms given the new Turkish threat.


>[…]


>Riad Darar, co-leader of the Syrian Democratic Council, has stated that the response to any Turkish military operation in northern Syrian must occur in coordination with the al-Assad regime in order to protect the country’s borders. On the other hand, he notes that the regime-affiliated Syrian army had become weak and developed a poor reputation after depleting its forces in operations inside Syria instead of carrying out its duty to defend the country’s borders. He likewise echoed the idea of an agreement being possible if restructuring occurred.


https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-autonomous-administration-leadership-and-civilians-will-view-turkish-incursion

 No.1275891

>>1275719
One can only hope. How many times do they need to get screwed over by the Burgers until they tell them to fuck off?
Maybe it's realpolitik. If they start to openly antagonise the Burgers, they might end up not only fighting jihadists and Turkroaches, but all of the West too. Their refugees in Europe might all get deported to Turkey as a result (some already were for Nordicuck NATO membership), and be demonised as "terrorists" by all of the Westeroid media. Unless Russia gets its shit together and/or a different power like China(?) idk offers them help, they are stuck in this dilemma.

 No.1275899

>>1275891
>How many times do they need to get screwed over by the Burgers until they tell them to fuck off?
You also have to consider that there is a lot of bad blood between the government and the Kurdish movement. For decades Kurds were systematically suppressed as a people. Remember also that it wasn't that long ago that the PYD was an illegal underground party. It was only because of the civil war that they were allowed to surface and eventually establish cordial relations with Damascus.
>If they start to openly antagonise the Burgers, they might end up not only fighting jihadists and Turkroaches, but all of the West too.
This as well. It's a precarious situation to be sure.

 No.1275901

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>Turkey = cringe NATO ally
>Iran = based wholesome multipolarista
>Turkey shells Kurds in Iraq
>Iran also shells Kurds in Iraq
>that means Turkey and Iran are actually allies?
>Turkey is actually is actually based multipolarista gang all along???
>but if so then that means
>no…
>it can't be
>NATO IS ACTUALLY BASED MULTIPOLARISTA GANG ALL ALONG??!??!?!?!??!

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>>1275901
don't call it a grave

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>>1275716
>This might actually result in a Turkroach BTFO, because they might be fighting both the Kurds and regular Syrian forces this time, considering their poor performance last time they attacked.
We can hope, and I also would like to hope… But, what also may happen is: SDF moves from raqqa to fight the roach, Raqqa falls to islamists, maybe isis, the roach islamist embeded in the region will cause more problems than ever before, the jihadi foreign and domestic filled prisons and al-hol camp will go up into islamist revolt, there have already been several of these revolts. All this will be a (unwieldy) proxy front for Turkey.
I'm not confident Raqqa could even be taken again without the extensive help of the west like last time.
Also maybe it will die down after the election in Turkey, who knows.
It's going to be a bad time either way.

 No.1276151

qrd on the kurds? why cant they have a country? who supports them who are against them? it seems to me that every muslim hates them

 No.1276164

>>1276151
Kurds are majority Sunni Muslim, but most people in the Middle East have no opinion about what's currently happening in Syria except for Bashar bad and are very underinformed about the situation.

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>>1276151
>qrd on the kurds? why cant they have a country? who supports them who are against them? it seems to me that every muslim hates them
They want like everyone's country. They're supported by America and Europe. Pretty much it besides liberals and anarchoids who like them because they profess to follow Lesbian-coop-libertarianism with Occalan charecteristics. They have a habit of getting gassed. Be prepared for the Iranian government to start gassing Kurds.

 No.1276178

>>1276167
This guy is a turkoid nato shill

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>>1276167
And look how much of Syria they jacked when even the old Greater Kurdistan maps don't include it.

 No.1276185

>>1276183
You forgot to mention they actually got this much land by ethnic cleansing Arabs from the area

 No.1276195

Why did Turkey never become a plurinational state? The Young Turks?

 No.1276210

>>1276185
>buying into propaganda
didnt see a shred of evidence

 No.1276227

>>1276167
>They're supported by America and Europe.
US considers the PKK a terrorist organization.

 No.1276254

>>1276227
Germany banned their symbols too.

 No.1276266

>>1276254
Honestly anybody who makes blanket statements about "the Kurds" is just exposing that they have no idea what they're talking about. Even a rudimentary investigation would show that their movement is highly eclectic, with many competing and even hostile tendencies and factions.

 No.1276275

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>>1276227
So what? They're always running op-eds in the MSM about removing them from the list. PKK and YPG are affiliates anyways.

>>1276266
>highly eclectic,
LMAO

The Greater Kurdistan project is what they have in common. It'd be like saying Zionists are eclectic. I'm sure they are, but they all have something in common.

 No.1276276

>>1276275
>The Greater Kurdistan project is what they have in common
No it isn't. Numerous Kurdish groups (including the PYD) have renounced independence as a goal in favour of autonomy within existing states.

 No.1276278

>>1276275
Are there different zionists governments holding seperate territory?
Are there zionists in armed war against each other?
Are there dozens of zionist parties and armed movements active in regions of the world?

 No.1276292

>>1276266
True. I made this mistake too, because their movements are such a clusterfuck. It's so confusing. It just seems convenient to put them all under the "Kurds" umbrella.
What would be a better term?

 No.1276294

>>1276292
Kurdistanis.

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 No.1276302

>>1276292
>What would be a better term?
Well for starters you should probably distinguish between Kurds as an ethnic group and the Kurdish autonomy movement. You wouldn't use "Jews" as a stand in for "Zionism" would you? After that I would say it's just important to acknowledge the movement's internal contradictions, and understand that when you ask about the movement you are going to need to specify exactly who you're talking about.

 No.1276308

>>1276302
I see. I'll try that.

 No.1276310

>>1276302
Bruh you were the one who tried to bring up PKK like they're completely different from YPG and proof that THOSE Kurds aren't western backed.

 No.1276313

>>1276310
https://thekurdishproject.org/pkk-ypg-and-usa-allies-against-isis/

>The PKK is affiliated with several pro-Kurdish political movements in other countries including the PYD (and YPG) in Syria, the PJAK, or Party of Free Life of Kurdistan in Iran, and the HPG, or People’s Defense Forces in Iraq.


>The PKK affiliates (PYD, PJAK, HPG etc.) espouse the same political philosophy, known as “Democratic Confederalism.” Pillars of this philosophy include equality for women, equal treatment for religious and ethnic minorities, democratic election and governance, and a free and independent Kurdish state. Some of the affiliates, like the YPG and PYD, are less vocal about their calls for a free and independent Kurdish state, but all affiliates believe in the aforementioned core principles.

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>>1275542
Ataturk was an inspirational role figure to Hitler and the not socialists party. Current genocidal, imperialist and colonialist T*rkish state is a ideological mix of nazism and ISIS.

 No.1276332

>>1275594
Imagine defending a NATO imperialist state while they are mass murdering ommunists. The absolute state of these people.

 No.1276338

>>1275594
>(t. turkish agent)
>>1276178
>This guy is a turkoid nato shill

Leftypol:
>NOOOOO Don't say Kurds! That's a hecking anti-kurdism
Also leftypol:
>HAHAHAHA TURKOID TURKOID
While the Kurds are battling 3 other states as well anyways.

 No.1276340

>>1276276
so the dream is dead then rip

 No.1276341

>>1276338
Oh no think about the feelings of Turks committing genocide against their colonial subjects! Turks are people too so you shouldnt offend them.

 No.1276348

>>1276310
The PKK isn't Western backed. They're literally waging an armed insurgency in a NATO country. They are "affiliated" with the YPG insofar as they cooperate and have comparable ideology, but this doesnt make them identical.

 No.1276351

>>1276341
YPG is also fighting Turkey, a NATO country, while being armed and trained by NATO.

 No.1276354

>>1276348
All of NATO considers PKK a terrorist organization.

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 No.1276358

>>1276351
for:
>>1276348


>>1276341
Just pointing out how two faced your moral faggotry is.

 No.1276360

>>1276358
Its like trying to not offend nazis when they mass murdered jews. Germans are people too you shouldnt dehumanize them!

 No.1276361

>>1276351
I find it ironic that some multipolarists hate the PYD even though they're pursuing exactly the kind of tactics that multipolarity is supposed to make possible.

 No.1276363

>>1276195
Yeah, committing three genocides in thirteen years tends to be the end of that discussion.

 No.1276365

>>1276361
No one here actually understands what multipolarity is. Imagine if /leftypol/ existed at the time of WW1 and was trying to make sense of all the shifting alliances and rivalries that existed back then.

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>>1276361
If only USA stopped abandoning them we'd all live lesbian-coop-libertarianism. For the record I don't hate them, I'm just tired of seeing this bullshit shilled

 No.1276371

>>1276367
Obviously libs shilling for the US to stay in Syria to "help" Rojava are cringe. If the PYD has any sense they will build on a mutual antagonism with NATO to build closer relations with Syria and Russia.

 No.1276372

>>1276325
When you look at it from this perspective it's kind of crazy that not rogue Kurds have committed major terrorist attacks against the US. Maybe they don't have the capacity for it. Could also be that despite getting betrayed so many times by them they still recognize that antagonizing the US is potentially suicidal. They could get Chechenized, going from being sympathized to by the West from 1994-99 to being demonized by everyone after their horrific terrorist attacks against children and other Russian civilians. Essentially they went from victims to monsters and got propagandized against by the entire world except the Islamic world (due to the extreme anti-Islamic sentiment of the post-9/11 early 2000s). Only recently due to the Russo-Ukrainian war they're going back to being victims to the West due to their efforts to make it seem like Russia is oppressing ethnic minorities.

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>>1276360
>Its like trying to not offend nazis when they mass murdered jews. Germans are people too you shouldnt dehumanize them!
Pardon me Anon, but it seems you dropped your vidrel…

 No.1276400

Who did the Istanbul bomb if not PKK?

 No.1276404

What are turkey and isn'treals relationship like? I have a feeling they have lots of mutual interest in Lebanon and Syria. They could work together to basically split the 2 up between then 2.

 No.1276409

will there be a reaction from nato?

 No.1276422

>>1276400
The watermelon seller himself ofc.

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 No.1276599

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==Turkish state continues its attacks from Kobanê to Hesekê to Afrin canton=
The Turkish state's attacks on regions of the Autonomous Administration, from Kobanê to Hesekê to the Afrin canton, continue uninterrupted.
The Turkish state's attacks on Northern and Eastern Syria with the aim of genocide continue.

Turkey is bombarding the villages of Kogran, Qeremox and Ceşan in the east of Kobanê with heavy weapons. From the bases opposite the village of Merc Îsmail, the invaders repeatedly targeted people's houses. Howitzers and artillery also targeted Ehmed Mûnir Hill, west of Kobanê, and military posts of the Damascus government forces.

The Turkish state, which bombed the villages of Bênê, Dêrcimêl, Benê and Ziyaret in Sherawa , in Afrin Canton with heavy weapons, killed 20 sheep belonging to a person in the village of Aqîbê. It also bombed the surrounding of Til Rifet district and the village of Hesacê in Shehba.

The Turkish state did not only target the western parts of Northern and Eastern Syria, it also bombarded the villages of Til Hemdûn and Behira in the Amude district with heavy weapons. Two people were injured when the Turkish state bombed the village of Marît in Amude at around 17:15.

Turkey also attacked the villages of Gûzeliyê and Til El Leben in Til Temir district of Hesekê Canton with howitzers.


7 Turkish soldiers and policemen killed in retaliatory actions by HRE
The Afrin Liberation Forces (HRE) carried out two separate actions on Sunday in retaliation for the deadly Turkish air strikes in Rojava that resulted in dozens of deaths and injuries on Saturday night.

In a statement providing information on their actions, HRE announced the killing of 7 soldiers and policemen of the Turkish state on Sunday.

“The invading Turkish state continues its attacks against our lands unabated. The already ongoing attacks have been escalated by airstrikes in recent days. The aerial attacks ongoing for two days have mainly targeted civilian settlements, leaving many of our citizens martyred or wounded,” said the statement.

Providing details of the two retaliatory actions carried out by their forces on November 20, HRE said that the first action targeted the Öncüpınar Special Operations Police (PÖH) Station in Öncüpınar village of Kilis bordering Syria. One police chief and 3 policemen were killed and 8 others injured as a result.

The second HRE action targeted the Dabiq base in the Marê region, leaving 3 Turkish soldiers dead and 4 others injured.

 No.1276606

A lot of people ITT trying to shove Rojava/AANES into a category, a nice box they can stick a label on. Ironically, those are the same people that scream "realpolitik!" any chance they get.

The SDF has been selling oil to whomever they can, they've sent oil to the Damascus government as well. US has around 900 troops left in Syria, most of them on the Iraqi border, not in AANES territory.

The situation in Syria is very complicated and nothing is set in stone now. SDF and Damascus are negotiating and the latest Turkish attack is only going to make both sides to make compromises. I'm hopeful.
https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3776596/haid-haid/self-administrations-cooperation-assad-cannot-save-it-turkey

All we can do is sit back and watch. Anons can shit on Rojava all they want and make their room predictions, because if they're wrong they just don't mention it ever again or say they were always on the side of the Rojava project. It's not like anyone can prove they weren't.

 No.1276609

>>1276606
Roaches have attacked Syrian base, at least 20 soldiers dead. I hope this tips the balance if there is a ground invasion.

 No.1276624


>>1276606
>The situation in Syria is very complicated and nothing is set in stone now. SDF and Damascus are negotiating and the latest Turkish attack is only going to make both sides to make compromises. I'm hopeful.

Please let this happen

 No.1276626

>>1276430
Isn't Hamas mostly Lebanon based? So even if they have different interest in Lebanon, could they find co-operation in Syria still? Two fronting Assad and the Kurds to a capture of Damascus, to me militarily makes sense. Isn'treal wants more land in the golan heights… turkey wants more of Syria, seems like a match made in heaven. Is it the fact that turkey is to Islamic to see themselves fighting with Zionist Jews for mutual interest, I imagine the Turkish citizens as Muslims are quite pro-Palestine

 No.1276843

>>1276626
Hamas is mostly Qatari based, at least the top leadership. Though I imagine that some officials are in Turkey as well, Turkey gives them money too, not sure how much though. Regardless though, I think the Turks and Israelis will find some way to still end up collaborating together in Syria.

 No.1276849

>>1276843
>I think the Turks and Israelis will find some way to still end up collaborating together in Syria.
Don't they both hate Iran?

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Russia urges Turkey to show 'restraint' in Syria

Moscow hopes Turkey will refrain from using of "excessive force" following Turkish strikes against Kurdish fighters in Syria and Iraq. Ankara is threatening to launch a ground offensive.

A Kremlin envoy on Tuesday said he hoped Turkey would refrain from using of "excessive force" in Syria amid a new escalation in a years-long war. The appeal comes after Turkey launched a deadly air strike against Kurdish fighters in Syria and Iraq over the weekend, killing dozens.

"We will call on our Turkish colleagues for restraint aimed to prevent escalation of tensions, not only in the northern and northeastern regions of Syria, but on its entire territory," said Alexander Lavrentyev, special envoy to Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti.

"Russia has for months … done everything possible to prevent any large-scale ground operation," Lavrentyev added. He also noted that Turkey did not notify Moscow before launching the air strike, according to RIA.

 No.1277221

>>1275600
Fun fact: Urk is a city in the Netherlands that is infamous across the country for being a dump filled with inbred far-right christian fundamentalist idiot fishermen, so this fits

 No.1277840

>>1276843
You know what I think I got Hezbollah and hamas confused my bad.

 No.1277872

Without a doubt, the Kurds have been victims of several genocides. Kurds in Turkey have been fighting against the roach regime - we should support this.
But, I think the PKK are pretty sus. I don't like Ocalan. They stopped being Marxists long ago.
And it shouldn't be forgotten that Kurds in the service of the Ottamans carried out genocide against Assyrians, Yazidis, and other ethnic groups, and the YPG in Syria continues to ethnically cleanse non-Kurds from the areas they claim to be Kurdistan. I don't trust Kurdish nationalists.

 No.1277874

>>1277872
>in Syria continues to ethnically cleanse non-Kurds from the areas they claim to be Kurdistan
People have been claiming this for years, but there were cases of such claims being debunked. Back around 2016-17 there were claims that YPG fighters were forcing Arabs out of their homes, but then it turned out they were just temporarily evacuating them to clear ISIS booby traps and weapons caches. What is the evidence for these claims now?

 No.1278148

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every time i hear about the Kurds it just makes me think of cheese curds and then i have to go order some poutine. every fuckin time

 No.1278192

>>1278148
Least stereotypical Canadian.

 No.1278195

3 Children died after PKK's terror attacks this week but no need to mention that since op prolly doesn't give a rats ass about that.
As retaliation, TAF bombed training centres, cave network all that stuff but most importantly, they bombed oil refineries.
Oil refineries where US proxy, KCK's syria wing YPG process stolen Syrian oil and sell it off to the first world. Huh. Compared to Russians who don't have the balls to shoot down reapers over the black sea which guide Ukrainian missiles, I'd say we are better at this anti imperialism thing.

I'm a half kurdish, Turkish marxist and i wish the best to our military as it dismantles disgusing american proxies hold on Syria. No more oil stealing narco terrorist proxies across our borders. We're gonna make buddies with Assad and ram our cocks up some apoist ass. Cope and seethe libs.

 No.1278197

>>1278195
>I wish the best to a NATO army as it invades Syria!
>I'm a Marxist btw
Kek
>We're gonna make buddies with Assad and ram our cocks up some apoist ass
Assad is allied with the SDF dipshit.

 No.1278202

>>1278197
The only NATO state to not embargo Russia? to cockblock swedes/finns entry into NATO? to be kicked out of F35 for dismantling CIA op gulenist network & buying russian AA? Also quite a funny argument considering the side you're defending is a drug smuggling, ethnic cleansing, oil stealing US proxy. Lmao

Assad will ditch YPG the second Turkey ditches the rebels. Which is %100 gonna happen.

 No.1278205

>>1278195
holy glow

 No.1278210

>>1278202
>The only NATO state to not embargo Russia? to cockblock swedes/finns entry into NATO? to be kicked out of F35 for dismantling CIA op gulenist network & buying russian AA?
<Noooo you don't understand, this is a BASED NATO country!
>Assad will ditch YPG the second Turkey ditches the rebels.
Then why has Turkey been bombing the SAA?

 No.1278214

>>1278195
>Turkish marxist
actual Turkish Marxists are engaged in PPW in Eastern Turkey, not sucking the dick of Erdogan.
Begone roach.

 No.1278276

>>1278214

are maoists always this retarded? yeah man, ppw in turkey sure. i'm sure the masses sympathize with them and not the random cop or prosecutor they murder. lmao

>>1278210
Are you dense? Again, the side you're defending, apart from killing children and civvies with bombings, has done nothing but steal syrian oil and sell it off to first world.
Turkey on the other hand has been cockblocking US/NATO projects in the region for a decade now. Why do you think they're arming the Greeks now? lmao.
Also, dead SAA? Erdogan just today talked about meeting Assad. doesn't matter a few dead SAA on YPG held territory.
>>1278205
yeah man, the broke ass turkish state is paying people to astroturf leftypol, lol

 No.1278282

Enlightenment built a western identity almost exclusively based on hate of the Turk. So sad so called marxists can't see past this.
Also, actual Turkish marxists share my view lmao. Yalçın küçük, Deniz gezmiş. etc. Turns out, you don't need to be a self hating prick to be a communist.

 No.1278284

>>1278276
>apart from killing children and civvies with bombings
As opposed to the Turkish backed jihadists, who have never harmed anybody lmao.
>has done nothing but steal syrian oil and sell it off to first world
You mean like Russia is still doing through proxies like Azerbaijan?
>Turkey on the other hand has been cockblocking US/NATO projects in the region for a decade now
Turkey is a NATO project.
>doesn't matter a few dead SAA on YPG held territory
Cope, the Turkish NATO imperialists are bombing Syrian army positions in a direct attack on the Syrian state. Even Russia has told them not to escalate the situation.

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>>1278284
moron, who said i support that? it's erdogans fuckery, he was in bed with the americans which is what led us to fight against Assad instead of collabing with him against us proxy pkk in the first place.

also, Azerbeijan is a russian proxy? man you are stupid. And probably a westerner considering.

lmao @ turkey is a NATO project. It is true the Turkish revolution was betrayed and hijacked by counterrevolutionaries after 50s. Which is what led us to abandon Soviets & join NATO in the first place. However, us Turkish patriots & socialists cheerish all attempts at breaking away from American chains. Us bombing YPG oil refineries do damage to American hegamony in the region. It blocks American & Israeli projects on Syria.
pic: Revolutionary Deniz Gezmiş with a sign that reads Total Independence for Turkey, Mustafa Kemal March, Deniz was hanged after a CIA led coup. He was a patriot and a revolutionary.

 No.1278384

>>1276338
defo a turkoid agent

 No.1278385

>>1278370
It's really amusing watching you try to fit the aggressive actions of a NATO country against an actually anti-imperialist state within your deranged Turkish nationalist mindset. The result is a kind of incoherent schizophrenia that I haven't seen since the likes of Haz or King Lear.

 No.1278393

>>1278195
>YPG process stolen Syrian oil and sell it off to the first world.
like Syria?
>On April 23, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), a UK-based conflict monitor, reported that “tens of trucks filled with fuel” arrived in regime-controlled territory from SDF-controlled parts of Deir ez-Zor in eastern Syria, where most of Syria’s oil reserves are located.

>Importing oil from SDF-controlled areas, through middlemen, has become one of the few alternative options available to Damascus to at least partially alleviate the pressure.  


>“The Kurdish-led SDF control the majority of Syria’s oil resources,” he said. “It’s therefore in the Syrian government’s own interests to improve relations with the Kurds.”


>While the US does not approve of the SDF selling oil to Damascus, since it partially eases the immense economic pressure on the regime, there is no indication it has taken steps to stop it. Washington likely understands the SDF’s need to generate revenues to govern the one-third of Syria it currently controls. 


>Damascus pays the SDF an average of $8 to $10 per barrel. This figure could increase to as much as $20 in the near future. 

https://www.rudaw.net/english/analysis/04052019

>>1278276
>yeah man, the broke ass turkish state is paying people to astroturf leftypol, lol
>he does it for free
lol

 No.1279198

>>1276227
Those terrorist lists are of no legal consequence because it tends to be a case-by-case decision by a court whether a cell of militants is considered to be terrorists. Germany sentenced a bunch of TKP/ML activists to prison even though they are not on Germany's list of terrorist organizations. Those lists mostly serve to exclude applicants for state officials that have ties to those organizations.

The US does contradictory shit like this all the time, you must really be new to politics to not understand this, it's a divide and conquer strategy. The US armed the YPG and SDF and worked with them to occupy a large chunk of Syrian land stealing their oil and preventing them from accessing the Tabqa Dam which a main source for hydroenergy for Syria and bombed it even. Kurds were complicit in all of this.

On the other hand, Assad needs to sometimes break bread with them because of the Turkish incursion.

There is no "pro-American" or "pro-Assad" faction amongst the Rojava Kurds. They are not good or bad, they are just opportunists who like to play both sides and they are pretty good at that, including their PR campaign amongst the Western leftist "scene" that considers them noble savages.

Also, the PKK is on terrorist lists because they do terrorist attacks. I mean what do you expect?!

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>>1279198
>Also, the PKK is on terrorist lists because they do terrorist attacks. I mean what do you expect?!
wewew wewew

 No.1279246

>>1279198
>including their PR campaign amongst the Western leftist "scene" that considers them noble savages.
imagine thinking this

 No.1279395

>>1279198
>they are just opportunists who like to play both sides and they are pretty good at that
Sounds based and multipolarist to me.

 No.1279470

>>1276361
>I find it ironic that some multipolarists hate the PYD
The fuck is going on? Is this the latest shit flinging which you come up against your boogeyman? But yeah since these things tend to stick this is total bullshit and this strategy, inventing things about somebody you don't like is most frustrating aspect of online anarchists and liberals which I know.

 No.1279523

>>1278370
>the Turkish revolution
what, the one where Turkish nationalists committed multiple genocides?

 No.1279543

>>1279470
>Is this the latest shit flinging which you come up against your boogeyman?
What boogeyman?
>inventing things about somebody you don't like
I'm not inventing anything, nor do I dislike multipolarists (I would consider myself one). It's just that others who claim to follow this same line clearly dislike the PYD due to their relationship with the US. Read this very thread if you don't believe me, or look at the entire discourse surrounding the 8chan split (assuming you aren't a newfag).

 No.1279549

>>1279546
>Kurds and Syria bad
>NATO invasion good
This is your brain on contrarianism.

 No.1279590

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>>1279554
>Turkey doing imperialism and bombing thirdworlders is good actually, because this time around it's negligably embarrassing to NATO
be better, anon

 No.1279597

>>1279554
>Turkey actually complicates the NATO alliance greatly and it's dishonest to keep pretending it's the whole of NATO behind this
If you're capable of recognizing that Turkey has its own interests and that its playing both sides rather than simply being a puppet of the US, why are you not capable of extending this recognition to Rojava?
>Turkey doing this is absolutely a good thing for us
Explain how bombing Syrian army positions is a good thing for us.

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>>1279603
You people are such utter clowns. For years you screamed from the rooftops that the Syrian Kurds were US puppets because they hosted American troops and allowed the USAF to bomb ISIS. You said that they were planning to balkanize Syria, which was an anti-imperialist state that we all needed to support against the imperialism of NATO. Yet here we are, with the US presence in Rojava reduced to a few hundred troops hugging the Iraqi border, with the PYD having renounced the goal of independence, with both Damascus and Rojava coming under attack by a NATO country and working together to resist them. What is your response? To do a total 180 and shill for a NATO army as it invades Syria. What an absolute embarrassment you are.

 No.1279624

>>1279614
>>1279622
almost as if multipolarity has been rearing its head in lesser forms for a decade or so and we can't analyze things in terms of pure binaries the way actual retards do.

 No.1279626

>>1279614
>Syrian Kurds were US puppets because they hosted American troops and allowed the USAF to bomb ISIS
you probably mean bomb syrian army and hezbollah ? Russian air campaign clearly showed USA didnt give a shit about slowing isis in syria
and, predictably, US completely abandoned them and only used them to fuck with assad. As all the "anti kurds" said it would happen.
You can take US weapons and money, but giving them anything is always a bad move that will backfire. And if they still havent kicked them out despite being under attack by turkey, they're just plainly retarded.

Still supporting them against turks, but at some point you have to learn and shoot up the glowies approaching you.

 No.1279629

>>1279622
Cope. Most pro-Rojava people have also been pro-Assad for a long time now, myself included. It's been clear for years that their relationship is not inherently antagonistic and that there was potential for them to form a lasting alliance.

 No.1279639

>>1279635
I once held anti-Assad views several years ago, but unlike you I'm actually capable of learning and adjusting my positions when they are wrong. You're so pig headed that you can't even bring yourself to support Rojava when they are fighting alongside Damascus against an imperialist-aligned attacker. Your position is little more than retarded contrarianism rather than any serious analysis of the situation.

 No.1279646

>>1279641
>I have a hard time thinking of any disagreement where you were not on the wrong side initially.
It's better to be wrong at first and come around to the correct views than to be wrong and refuse to see reason, like what you're doing now.

 No.1279664

>>1279656
Not so atrocious as openly shilling for a NATO attack on Syria because "Kurds bad" lmao.

 No.1280329

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-24/tuerkiye-president-vows-to-invade-northern-syria/101691884
Türkiye's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan vows to launch ground invasion of northern Syria
>Ankara's allies, particularly Russia, have attempted to avert a ground incursion. However, Mr Erdogan said on Wednesday in a speech to his ruling party's legislators that the air operations were "just the beginning".

>He said Türkiye was determined to "close down all of our southern borders … with a security strip that will prevent the possibility of attacks on our country".


>Türkiye has carried out a series of incursions into Syria since 2016 and already controls parts of northern Syria.


<Mr Erdogan said the new military offensive, planned to take place "at the most convenient time for us" would target the regions of Tel Rifaat, Manbij and Kobani, which is also known by its Arabic name Ayn Al Arab.


<"The day is near when those concrete tunnels which the terrorists use for safety will become their graves," he said.


<The commander of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in north-east Syria, meanwhile, said his group was prepared to repel a Turkish ground invasion.


>>1279622

I always supported Assad and Rojava. The two never engaged in battle (maybe one in the very beginning?) and have been cooperating against ISIS and other US-backed "moderate rebels". I never believed Assad gassed his own people (dumb claim from the start) and think it was the moderate rebels using EU/German-made chemical weapons as per the pictures that came out after the attack.

Rojava WILL be an autonomous region within Syria. There's nothing your screeching on the internet can do to change that. It is in the interest of both sides, it's only a matter of time before they come to a compromise/agreement. The latest Turkish incursions might be the perfect catalyst for that.

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>>1279622
Kindly fuck off, most pro-rojava posters here at worst were pro-critical support for assad too.

 No.1280417

>>1280329
wtf is with this "Türkiye" bullshit? I swear it only started to pop up like a year or so ago, but now its everywhere. First the Ukraine convinces retarded westerners that they have to say Keev and now every other nation is trying to foist this bullshit on us? Not fucking happening, it's Turkey.
Also, notice how this westoid news site goes out of their way to give Turkey their special little name, but it's "Syria" always, and never "Sūrīyah"

 No.1280639

>>1280417
The country officially changed its name in English. Like when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, the Congo became Zaire, etc.

 No.1280643

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>>1280417
Erodgan changed the name of the country.
I did a double take in the supermarket when I saw something like this though

 No.1280676

<Following a security meeting chaired by Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani, the Iraqi authorities decided “to deploy border guards along the borders with Turkey and Iran”.
reeeeee-

 No.1280678

>>1280329
>Ankara's allies, particularly Russia
lol wat
media is such a fucking joke

 No.1280818

>>1280639
>Like when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe
That's different though, that is actually a different name. "Türkiye" and "Turkey" are the same name.
>The country officially changed its name in English
"Türkiye" isn't English though, "Turkey" is already the English version of that.

Now sure, the English version of other countries' names is often pretty retarded. But if were going to make the effort to try to pronounce them better, lets start with nations that deserve it. I'm sure as shit not making a special exception for Turkey.

 No.1287292

Is it partly building justification for things like this post election if any do get through?
<Erdogan vows re-seizure of Kurdish municipalities should HDP win local elections
https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/story/17616-Erdogan-vows-re-seizure-of-Kurdish-municipalities-should-HDP-win-local-elections

It seems Kurdish representation will be wiped out as a political force in Turkey in the next few years.


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