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 No.1278819[Last 50 Posts]

But the Guardian coped again: The best path to peace are not intiating dialogues, but helping Ukraine to win this war
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/23/peace-talks-putin-helping-ukraine-win-war-kremlin

News
>Russia-Ukraine war at a glance: what we know on day 274 of the invasion
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/russia-ukraine-war-at-a-glance-what-we-know-on-day-274-of-the-invasion
>Kyiv’s critical infrastructure hit by Russian rocket attacks; Ukraine to set up winter shelters
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/23/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html
>U.S. is sending Ukraine $400 million in ammunition and generators
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-is-sending-ukraine-400-million-in-ammunition-and-generators/ar-AA14tW8Q
>Boris Johnson claims Germany favored Ukraine's defeat and France was in 'denial'
https://www.foxnews.com/world/boris-johnson-claims-germany-favored-ukraines-defeat-france-denial
>At least six die in Ukraine as dozens of missiles target civilian infrastructure
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/23/strike-on-ukrainian-hospital-maternity-ward-zaporizhzhia-kills-newborn-baby
>Russia-Ukraine war live: death toll rises after Russian strikes across Ukraine; European parliament ‘under cyber-attack’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-newborn-killed-in-russian-strike-on-hospital-says-zaporizhzhia-governor
>Russian missile barrage forces Ukraine to shut nuclear power plants
https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/russian-missile-barrage-forces-ukraine-t-idUSKBN2SC2A4
>No nuclear power plants in Ukraine are generating power for Ukraine's grid
https://news.yahoo.com/no-nuclear-power-plants-ukraine-143838494.html
>Ukrainians suffer in cold, darkness as president implores U.N. to punish Russia
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-setting-up-invincibility-centres-help-provide-heat-water-2022-11-22/

And more news to come, as always

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LIVE MAPS AND UPDATES
>N.B. liveuamap.com is not to be trusted
https://southfront.org/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Andrei Martyanov YouTube & blog for military strategy: https://www.youtube.com/user/smoothieX12

>CIA involvement in ukrainian nationalism: https://www.redstreetjournal.com/p/cia1?s=r More in >>>/edu/9906


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last thread: >>1276473

 No.1278829

post before homophobe derailment

 No.1278831

gay sex in the butt is eww

 No.1278832

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Continue anon's discussion on this:
>What's the deal with the EU and a Russian oil price cap? I understand that they're leveraging their monopoly on maritime shipping insurance to enforce this but I don't understand why alternatives can't be used by Russia and India to get around this price cap.

 No.1278840


Former US Army Colonel Douglas MacGregor says the Ukrainian state will be "finished off" by Russian forces in the next few weeks.

https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1595397647703097344

 No.1278842

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TELL ME IF THE TRAINS BETWEEN CHINA AND EUROPE ARE STILL RUNNING

 No.1278843

>>1278840
Two more weeks!?!

 No.1278847

>>1278840
The issue with these kind of predictions is you look like a total tool if they turn out to be wildly wrong, like all those dummies who said Russia was going to run out of missiles after a week. I'm sure MacGregor has better sources than the average Westoid journo, but still.

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Stalin was a Kiss Kulak, he banned gays so he could have all the man to himself.

 No.1278851

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>>1278849
YOU AINT A REAL COMRADE IF YOU AINT KISSED YOUR HOMIE

 No.1278853

<Media regurgitates fake news from US spies, risking World War III with Russia

>Top news outlet the Associated Press falsely claimed Russia fired a missile at NATO member Poland, risking World War III. This fake story came from an anonymous US spy. AP’s correspondent insisted, “I can’t imagine a U.S. intelligence official would be wrong on this.”


>Sources here: https://multipolarista.com/2022/11/23/ap-fake-news-us-spy-russia-poland/

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>>1278849
Stalin used to look at naked drawings of men and leave amusing comments on the margins when he was bored:

>How come you're so thin? Masturbation isn't work! Do some Marxism instead! Hehe.

 No.1278862

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>>1278847
Depends how much is meant by "a few". A month is only four weeks, and it's almost the end of November. It'll certainly be interesting to see.

 No.1278864

>>1278860
that has to be some of the most gayest shit ive heard coming from stalin and im all for it

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 No.1278871

>>1278853
Do those anonymous sources even exist? I always thought it was the journalist making shit up.

 No.1278872

>>1278834
That doesn't mean it wasn't happening though

 No.1278876

>>1278840
hasnt McGregor been saying that Ukraine will be on its knees in a couple of weeks since February?

 No.1278877

>>1278840
I knew the Russians were waiting for the winter. Like how could anyone not see it coming?

 No.1278878

>>1278877
idk it seemed like RF would win before February ended

 No.1278879

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>>1278878
I really think they were hoping somehow that Zelensky would come to the negotiating table and didn't wanna topple them but just scare em a bit.

Then after the talks fell through they planned out this whole operation.

 No.1278882

>>1278881
Zelenski did want to sue for peace, but Boris led a mission to stop that, and he did. Zelensky is a hostage of the Banderite parliament

 No.1278889

>>1278847
>The issue with these kind of predictions is you look like a total tool if they turn out to be wildly wrong
Well, the problem is that war is a dynamic interaction. Like in theory, an invasion of Ukraine could've perhaps gone quickly because Ukraine is corrupt and dysfunctional and the politicians are stupid goons, and the army wouldn't really fight, but the invasion itself ends up unwittingly creating a basis for political unity within Ukraine to fight. Political unity and the will to fight is really important in war.

>>1278876
>hasnt McGregor been saying that Ukraine will be on its knees in a couple of weeks since February?
Probably. Mark Milley spoke to porkies in New York recently and said Russia is losing the war. This is the top general in the U.S. so he's obviously an enemy of Putin and you can't take what he says as an objective viewpoint or anything of the sort, but he says that Putin made a mistake by ordering the invasion expecting a quick victory before the Victory Day celebration and and then that didn't happen, and then tried to pivot toward taking ground in the east but is now failing there.

McGregor says that Russia is preparing its forces for another offensive, and that's probably a reasonable assumption. They've been pulling back to refit and resupply and reinforce. But him saying "Ukraine is finished" in a few months should be treated with skepticism. Maybe it could happen. But really? There's no reason to believe that right now and I don't understand how you could say that with any certainty.

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Reposting:
https://www.nytimes.com/events/dealbook-summit#speakers
The conmen found a podium at the NYT to speak.

 No.1278894

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>>1278892
>Hello Zuckerberg, it's me Zelenskyyyyy, *sniff* we need to ban all Russians from the internet for democracy *sniff* also give me five billion dollar for bomb Donetsk children

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 No.1278898

>>1278894
FTX ceo is the key element there. a con-man, a person promoting pyramidal schemes, openly said that is what he believes is all about revolutionising the banking system. he laundered z linsky money through FTX exchange donations, and the fact that janet jellen is there reveals that FTX is a control of the federal reserve, antagonizing with what the purpose is of the BTC (besides being centralized, like binance). this is a peak clownish meeting.

 No.1278905

>>1278882
How is ukrainian parliament banderite? I thought the majority was held by a centrist party, while poroshenko bloc is in opposition. Any examples of actually influental politicans that currently stan bandera?

 No.1278906

>>1278889
>>1278876
>>1278840
Also works as a reason for "we need another 100 billion 4 Ukraine ;_;"

 No.1278907

>>1278881
>I really think they were hoping somehow that Zelensky would come to the negotiating table
But this speaks to the circular thought processes going on in the Kremlin. They don't want Ukraine to have economic/military integration with the West, but they have been throwing out strategies with absolutely no hope of success and with predictable results.

Because the longer this war goes on Ukraine will only be more economically unviable on its own, its population will only be more embittered against the Russians, and the Russians will take damage in the meantime. The fact they think they can negotiate a outcome favorable to them under the current circumstances shows how out to lunch they truly are.

At a certain point, there is a breaking point (probably actually many months ago) where you admit the Ukrainian government is never going to willfully engage with you and your only real choice is extracting what concessions you can with force. Then the question becomes how much damage the Ukrainians are willing to take (or shrug off) the best they can while prepping offensives of their own that will further weaken Russia's leverage. It doesn't matter that much if they're not successful in the beginning either, as in Kherson, since the Russians have so far given the Ukrainians as many months as they need to eventually get it right.

So what's restraining the Russians? Is it political considerations at home? Is it optics? Is it material considerations? (They've spent a lot of their weapons?) But if they think the Ukrainians will just give in, it isn't going to happen soon, especially as Ukrainian morale is high right now, and the best opportunity to take ground (earlier this year) has passed, and the Russians are going to have a tougher time taking ground now than back then. It's possible but it won't be easy driving.

 No.1278910

>>1278907
>It's possible but it won't be easy driving.
I agree but I think Russia has prepared for it seriously now. The massing of troops and equipment is happening as well as the ground freezing on top of the missile strikes.

They have far more control on how this war goes than the Ukrainians have.

 No.1278911

>>1278833
the deal is that they are trying to look for ways, as with the dollar reserves abroad, to see how can they implement this without shooting themselves in the foot as they did with the first wave of sanctions.
when they finally say "we are implementing them, fully" is when they will have a sense that these oil price caps, and also the reserves stealing, will not backfire horribly not that they won't, or that their understanding implies it won't, like the first waves of sanctions did.

 No.1278912

>>1278910
True, the longer the war goes on, more of the variables will change. Shifting the balance of power

 No.1278913

>>1278907
What kind of morale are you talking about, they’re asking for people to leave to reduce energy consumption.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63687037

 No.1278914

>>1278912
Right exactly, which is why Russia can take its time in its moves. The polarifty is shifting globally. Russia has not collapsed from the sanctions, they can still flex their muscles.

 No.1278920

>>1278914
I dunno how I feel about that, this feels like round two in a boxing match maybe even the final match. We'll have to wait and see how much fight is left

 No.1278931

>>1278920
>how much fight is left
At this point most of it because neither side is yielding, I'm not even sure a ceasefire is even on the cards, both sides are mobilizing vast amounts of men and war material, and the only way this goes favorably for Russia is if they are indeed quietly mobilizing a million men and not only 250k.

 No.1278977

>>1278905
>Any examples of actually influental politicans that currently stan bandera?
the last speaker of parliament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiy

 No.1278989

>>1278889
>Mark Milley spoke to porkies in New York recently and said Russia is losing the war.
I thought he said it was a stalemate and Ukraine was unlikely to be able to reclaim all the occupied territory by force?

 No.1278991

>>1278889
>said Russia is losing the war.
We've been hearing this since April because Kiev hadn't fallen by then and the fact that most of Ukraine was still not taken by Russia was apparent by then.

 No.1278993

>>1278931
>russia just yielded territory larger than several NATO member states without firing a shot

NO ONE IS YIELDING!

you dipshits will literally never accept it lmao.

 No.1278999

>>1278991
russia has been losing since Feb 24th or probably earlier whenever this wildly insufficient "plan" was approved by Cucktin.

so he is right.

 No.1279009

<Russia close taking Marynka took Opytnoe.
Z-Gang keeps being the winning team.

 No.1279013

>>1279009
One more village and Ukraine will collapse

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 No.1279022


>>1279009
russia ceded thousands of KM of land and tens of thousands of its citizens (who are being tortured and murdered as we speak) without firing a shot but you think their ability to take 2 abandoned villages "held" by platoon sized elements of 40+ year old men after months of nonstop fighting means they are winning.

lol.

lmao.

 No.1279032

>>1279022
> think their ability to take 2 abandoned villages
they were not abandoned, you retarded babboon. z linsky multiple times forced the afu to send support brigades.

 No.1279034

>>1278905
lmao imagine posting on leftypol and still thinking a bourgeois parliment controls the country.

look at who funded the nazis. those are the people who actually run ukraine.

if you want some specific names look at arsen avakov, ihor kolomoisky, and anton gerashenko to start with. those are just the ones i can name without looking into my notes.

 No.1279036

>>1279032
if russia allows Ukraine to redeploy troops at will without even attempting to interdict them en route (which Russia ABSOLUTELY allows btw) then it reflects even worse on Cucktin and his "plan"

 No.1279039

>>1279036
>if
lmao, sure.

 No.1279048

>kekrainian govt. publicly asking to germany to provide half their operational mlrs and artillery
>kekraine needs T54/54
>kekraine needs to train/heal their soldiers in foreign countries
>"Russia allows"
hah, good one.
iron felix in his ultra mind has become another khokhol.

 No.1279058

>>1279039
well, you said they did it yourself, and russia did not stop them. just as it has not even attempted to stop the redeployment from kherson.

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>>1279048
This is what terminally online brain rot does to a mf

 No.1279070

I feed off of Felix's seething and rage. His psychic energy is so powerful that it can be absorbed through the internet.

 No.1279072

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>>1279048
yeah Putin really nailed it in february when he said "we're gonna do a years long war in Ukraine, fellow russian porkies leave your assets in Europe so the EU will freeze them, that'll show the world we are the good guys, also don't forget we will retreat from kiev in march and from kherson in november, and keep in mind we will wait 6 months before blowing out civilian infrastructure so multipolarista leftoids in the west can cheer our humanity compared to nato for a while before turning around and calling for more ukrainian blood, and dust off those T-62s we're gonna need them" truly a mastermind

 No.1279078

He’s probably coming back to America to try out his skills on the leftists he learned in ukraine

 No.1279082

>>1279034
The claim was about the parliament

 No.1279087

>>1279070
psychotic*

He's exactly the kind of apoplectic hyperventilator that "oh nononono" shitposting is aimed at.

I'm surprised he hasn't produced a /co/-worthy copypasta yet.

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 No.1279110

>>1279087
He just got blue balls like everyone following it since the beginning, it’s typical

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 No.1279121

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>>1278897
Paul Gauguin looked like michael parenti

 No.1279124

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>>1279118
Bruh look at this dude…

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 No.1279138

>>1279110
Having followed it before it even began, when it was a "nothingburger" and "nothing ever happens", I do not sympathize. Behaving like an actual Russian nationalist does not impress me, either.

 No.1279140

>>1279072
>fellow russian porkies leave your assets in Europe so the EU will freeze them
This was actually good for Putin and maybe for Russia in general. Russian oligarchs are basically a western (aligned) parasitic element and while they had already lost most of their political power compared to the 90s and relegated into a their own economic fiefdoms where they could exploit and make profits if they bent the knee to Moscow and relinquished their own selfish political games. They still were a drain on Russian surplus and they siphoned all that oil, gas and mineral money to the western financial system, properties, etc. Putin Had been trying to permanently reign in the remaining oligarchs, but they were also really hard to get rid of because they were still quite entrenched in Russian economic life and it was nigh impossible to gut them completely without a capital flight and a economic calamity that might not end with oligarchs with less power but would probably end Putin's presidency.

Then the sanctions happened. The western liberals foolishly thought Russia was still the gas station with an army and run by oligarchs like it was in the 90s and if they hurt the Russian oligarchs by sanctioning them taking all their shit in the west they would rebel, shut down Russia and replace Putin. Then the west could act as the kingmaker and select one of the oligarchs with the appropriate CIA connections to be put on the throne and with that extra super loot all of Russia for their benefit. This is however not what happened. This was a boon for Putin and his clique since they both got a diminished oligarch wealth and influence and with no place to run because west doesn't want them, they got to blame the west for any economic falloff and also Russians rallied behind the Russian gov. Now also basically all that exploited resource wealth is more forced to stay in Russia and develop Russia instead and it¨s also now more under the thumb of the Russian state instead of risking it all fleeing to foreign bank accounts if they try to force the oligarchs to do anything. of being sucked into western financial system. Basically the west ripped its own bloodsucking straw from the side of Russia and also gave Putin the medicine to cope with any possible pain.

 No.1279155

>average reddit lib

 No.1279157

>>1279140
The logic behind liberals sanctioning Russia is the same logic Russia has when bombing the civilian infrastructure to rubble, hurting civilians to get the adversary to give in and long term attrition. One big reason Russia isn't as much trouble as it could be is because cutting gas to Europe increased the prices of LNG and oil globally, which happens to be good in the end for Russia's economy and the Gazprom porkies now but it's not gonna last forever. The fantasy about Putin reigning in the capitalists is crackpipe dream.

 No.1279167

>>1279155
>it was never the goal to kill people in Iraq but civilian casualties after 1 month of the Iraq campaign were still higher than in the entire SMO despite Ukraine being more urbanized

 No.1279195

>nine months and still no air superiority

Cringe, we’ll never see Syria 2.0

 No.1279204

>>1278860
unbelievably based
>How come you're so thin? Masturbation isn't work! Do some Marxism instead! Hehe.
Banner material right there.

 No.1279209

>>1278831
sex is eww

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>>1279155
>As for Iraq the intent was never to terrorize the population

 No.1279214

>>1278894
the sniffs made me read it in slavoj žižeks voice

 No.1279220

>>1278989
he did, but then he got scolded and told he has to say Russia is losing, which he did at next appearance.
He knows the reality though, even his first version was being generous. Russia is just building up while Ukraine is running out of steam and getting busted up. The reason he initially said it was a stalemate and now's a good time to negotiate is because he knows right now is Ukraine's peak, the strongest position they're ever going to see. it's only downhill from here, so the time to cut a deal would be now. That's just an unworkable position for his bosses though.

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 No.1279238

>>1279227
how many holodomors are we up to now

 No.1279240

>>1279238
We must go even further beyond! To Super Holodomor 3!

 No.1279241


>>1279240
> Super Holodomor 3!

In 4K HDR 3D 120 FPS in selected theaters

 No.1279252

>>1279231
>Ukrainian party archives
This all has to have been burned by now right?

 No.1279279

>>1279252
Nah, they produce NKVD horror stories from them. All the new "research" on communist atrocities come from Ukrainian archives because Russia got pissed at Russia's anticommunist institutions because they all sided with USA and Ukraine, lmao

Say, check this shit https://youtu.be/-D5nfulWyAY "Historian" Boguslavsky, for example, was bringing "documents" from Ukrainian archives to prove his nonsense about NKVD crimes. Funny how this channel stopped exposing fakes and even did an anti-Balayev video after fake exposing ones got too popular, lol

 No.1279282

>>1279118
>one thinking fool is worse than 10 enemies

Truth

 No.1279284

>>1279279
Don't they have gulag arcipelago as mandatory read in russian high schools?

 No.1279285

>>1278860
Wow really makes you think. Engels, Stalin and now Putin all made/make doodles and stuff. Really makes you think.

 No.1279287

>>1279157
>same logic Russia has when bombing the civilian infrastructure to rubble, hurting civilians to get the adversary to give in
burger projection. They hit infrastructure directly used in the war effort, the aim is not to fuck with civilians.

 No.1279288

>>1279284
Nobody's reading it, really. But yeah, Russia is anticommunist - it's just that every anticommunist org in Russia turned out to be anti-Russian on top, lol

 No.1279289

>>1279287
>the aim is not to fuck with civilians
NTA, but it definitely is. For Russia to win, not only need they force NATO to stop funding Ukraine's war effort, they also need to heavily demoralize west Ukrainians so they won't be inclined to prolonging the war. That's how wars between nation states work, the nation becomes a party in the war since the state conscrips people from it to "defend the nation", unlike in feudal wars where peasants aren't really involved (asided from levies and lords/mercenaries raiding villages to live off of the land) but it's strictly between feudal lords. In order to win against a nation state, you don't to debilitate the entire nation until they don't havethe spirit to fight anymore.
This is also why Ukraine relies so heavily on atrocity propaganda: "If you don't fight now, Ruzzia is gonna genocide the whole Ukrainian nation." If they admitted this was just a war between western states and the Rusian state (plus the Donbass militias), then barely anyone would want to continue the war besides ultranationalists.

 No.1279290

>>1279288
How do russian nationalists cope with it?

 No.1279293

>>1279289
>In order to win against a nation state, you NEED to debilitate the entire nation
small typo fix

 No.1279294

>>1279290
Either by saying that Putin is actually a communist or by cheering the repressions of pro-American pro-Ukrainian shitstains

 No.1279295

>>1279289
retarded, all historical examples clearly show attacking the civilians population remotivate the troops. And its definitely not what russia is doing, its pure projection from your sociopathic westoid vision of war.

>That's how wars between nation states work

and yet both ww1 and ww2 ended when GOVERNMENTS which didnt care for shit about the casualties except as a resource dwindling eventually surrendered when they recognized the situation would only get worse. The MILITARY situation, not the civilians one.

 No.1279298

>>1279290
>>1279294
Also, do keep in mind that "pro-communist" talkers in Russia believe in every anticommunist myth to begin with, so the difference is basically that open anticommunist orgs' job got outsourced to "procommunist" orgs, so you have people who nominally like USSR admit to gazillion deaths at the hands of NKVD, but "it was good, actually!"

 No.1279300

>>1279295
>all historical examples clearly show attacking the civilians population remotivate the troops
They aren't attacking the civilian population, they are demoralizing them. If a nation doesn't have the will to fight, the war is lost.
Destroying vital infrastructure isn't the same as doing purges on civilians, yet both still target civilians, the former just isn't bloodythirsty and also heavily debilitates the military of the nation.

 No.1279301

File: 1669291260817-0.jpg (158.15 KB, 702x938, YCCjU9ZbZuM.jpg)

File: 1669291260817-1.jpg (153.58 KB, 819x755, DjJL9RF7vGY.jpg)

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 No.1279302

>>1279301
> pic 2
Great edit, who made that?

 No.1279305

>>1279155
Both the Serbs and NATO did wrong back in the 1990s. Iraq is illegal, and so is Russia. Biden has blood on his hands!!!

 No.1279306

>>1279298
>gazillion deaths at the hands of NKVD, but "it was good, actually!
they're only wrong on the "gazillion" part :^)

 No.1279307

>>1279306
It should have been more

 No.1279308

>>1279298
>so you have people who nominally like USSR admit to gazillion deaths at the hands of NKVD, but "it was good, actually!"
except that those dead at their hands are counterrevolutionaries and the death penalty is good. cappies face the wall
>"pro-communist" talkers in Russia believe in every anticommunist myth to begin with, so the difference is basically that open anticommunist orgs' job got outsourced to "procommunist" orgs
pure contradiction, commiebros don't believe on cap myths

 No.1279329

Dumb question but I'm curious, how did Russia cross Ukraine's border? Did they just roll over the fences and checkpoints with tanks? What did the border control do, did they flee or surrender or what (is border control even considered a combatant?)

 No.1279336

>>1279329
Border guards are technically military, but lightly equipped so yeah they were either rolled over or surrendered after warning the "real" army

 No.1279337

>>1278840
I want to believe but he was saying that ages ago.

 No.1279338

File: 1669295196995.png (470.12 KB, 567x837, 1669047428211.png)

>>1279204
This ^
Keep the "hehe" at the end too. LOL

 No.1279349

>>1279329
Basically, lol. You should have been here that night, it was fun.
The first one was a video of supposedly a Ukrainian fleeing from something off-screen and leaving his post at a border crossing, then APCs crossing from different borders and driving into Ukraine.

 No.1279364

>>1279301
>brown MENA dude as the swedish phenotype
KEK

 No.1279373

>>1279336
>>1279349
By border control I didn't mean just guards but also like customs agents and shit.

 No.1279382

Zelensky in a 2015 comedy skit making fun of Crimeans being left without water due to the Ukrainian blockade.

Karma is a bitch

 No.1279402

File: 1669302229849.png (466.58 KB, 629x740, ClipboardImage.png)

Duty chads can't stop winning

>FSB officers killed three people suspected of making bombs in Voronezh. This was reported toRIA "Novosti" andTASSby the press service of the department.

>According to the FSB, three Voronezh residents came to pick up an explosive device from a cache in an abandoned building on the outskirts of the city, and during the detention "provided armed resistance" to the security forces.
>The departmentpublisheda video in which three men walk around Voronezh with bags. This is followed by footage of three bodies in pools of blood on the floor of an abandoned building. Next to them are two pistols and walkie-talkies.
>Separately, at the end, the flag of the Svobodagroup from the computer gameS.T.A.L.K.E.Rfrom Ukrainian developers is unfurled on the camera. TASS in its news erroneously calls it "the flagof the Ukrainian party "Volya" banned in Russia."
https://zona.media/news/2022/11/23/svoboda

 No.1279406

>>1279402
>Dead gamers
BaZed!

 No.1279407

>>1279300
>They aren't attacking the civilian population, they are demoralizing them. If a nation doesn't have the will to fight, the war is lost.
Exactly, that's why sanctions work

 No.1279419

>>1279300
That literally never works. Pretty much every attempt to demoralize the civilian population through bombing has the opposite effect.

 No.1279430

>>1279419
That's true, but there's one key difference here: the ethnic minority population in Ukraine, aka those living in the annexed regions. Showcasing the fact that ethnic Russians do not want to live under the Kiev regime in tandem with demoralizing the west Ukrainians by denying them working infrastructure will make them eventualyl wonder "Why are we fighting for regions whose people do not want to live under Ukraine when the only thing we're getting out of it is our own infrastructure destroyed and our own people killed for nothing?".
This is why the West tries so hard to have a stranglehold on the informational battlefield, they know it's the one thing that will lose them this war.

 No.1279436

>>1279407
>Exactly, that's why sanctions work
Yeah, if the country being sanctioned has no alternative to the countries/markets that are sanctioning them.
Russia has such an alternative with it's vast resources and BRICS+ economic network. So sanctions won't even come close to achieving the desired regime change. In fact, the opposite is happening with people rallying behind the Russian government and Putin having an 80%+ approval rating.

 No.1279437

>>1279436
>In fact, the opposite is happening with people rallying behind the Russian government and Putin having an 80%+ approval rating.
But why is the media reporting on a massive Russian exodus when this is the case?

 No.1279439


 No.1279440

>>1279430
The west isn't condemning people complaining about the war of 15 years of jail, Russia does, this should tell something about you who is more desperate to "have a stranglehold on the informational battlefield"

 No.1279442

>>1279436
>In fact, the opposite is happening with people rallying behind the Russian government and Putin having an 80%+ approval rating.
Congratulations that was my point. Guess what happened in Ukraine after the strategic bombing campaign.

 No.1279443

>>1279440
>The west isn't condemning people complaining about the war of 15 years of jail, Russia does
Russia should just give them 1 year mandatory reeducation instead, that would be nicer than to listen to Three Sisters propaganda

 No.1279445

>>1279440
>The west isn't condemning people complaining about the war of 15 years of jail, Russia does

Russia doesn't either.

 No.1279446

>>1279419
I think this really about Russia taxing the commitment of the economic base for Western global supremacy and Ukrainian ethnic supremacy to their wars.

Ukraine has hollowed itself out in its post-Soviet transition, yet its state insists on a war against provinces that reject its regression and especially its war. The West is doing similar, but on a European scale and on the question of post-Soviet unification of Europe. Both have been committed to these wars because they believe that the global system backing them will prevail. Any immediate national sacrifice is ultimately fleeting if your nations are still on top in the world. Russia is testing that belief thanks to the rise of China bringing that global system into question.

 No.1279447

File: 1669305220802.png (2.78 MB, 1440x1280, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1279298
>Also, do keep in mind that "pro-communist" talkers in Russia believe in every anticommunist myth to begin with


It is like America was the jealous God nation almighty in his heaven imperial core, who seeing that the USSR was building a tower socialism which would reach the greatest heights, decided to come in and confuse the language ideology.

 No.1279449

>>1279124
Looking like this is anti-semetic. He should have shaved lol.

 No.1279450

>>1279430
>Why are we fighting for regions whose people do not want to live under Ukraine when the only thing we're getting out of it is our own infrastructure destroyed and our own people killed for nothing?
I've kinda been wondering why there hasn't been more unrest in Ukraine because of this?

 No.1279451

File: 1669305395262.png (904.71 KB, 1200x800, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1279449
>Looking like this is anti-semetic.
wait until you see the amish and the mennonites

 No.1279453

>>1279450
There are supply protests happening around Odessa.

There was also the mothers of soldiers drafted demanding to know what happened to them.

 No.1279457

<Von Der Leyen:
>Europe will not rest until Ukraine has the upper hand
good admission.

 No.1279458

>>1279453
>There was also the mothers of soldiers drafted demanding to know what happened to them.
I saw that video but I still kinda expected more protests and stuff considering this war as >>1279430 is pretty pointless for Ukraine.

 No.1279465

>>1279450
Russia's informational warfare is garbage, that's why. Though to be fair, they are blocked in the west. In the global South, they definitely have the upper hand ine the information field.

 No.1279468

>>1279457
>until Ukraine has the upper hand
but I though Ukroptopia was winning? don't they already have the upper hand?

 No.1279477

>>1279437
Even if 100k libs wanted to go out of Russia, that wouldn't even put a dent into Russia's population of 140+ million people.
It's simple propaganda. "Look! Russian people are leaving Russia because of Putler! His time is over soon and Ukraine is gonna win! So just keep towing our line and keep sending more military aid! Slava You-cry-knee!"

 No.1279478

>>1279458
They're probably are but the SBU probably keeps it on the downlow. Considering how insane they are about "saboteurs" and how more and more desperate Ukraine's position gets as time goes by, I wouldn't be surprised if they were absolutely paranoid and rounding up any kind of "dissent" they can find.

 No.1279479

File: 1669306927928-0.png (1.23 MB, 2796x846, ukraine IMF.png)

i think the one thing to keep in mind is that Russia would have crushed ukraine by now if it weren't for the hundreds of billions in lethal "aid" the west has been giving Ukraine. If Ukraine somehow wins this, i.e. keeps the separatist regions, none of that "pyrrhic victory" BS, they will be a war torn country with tons of infrastructure to rebuild and billions of dollars in debt to the imperial core. Everything they do from now on will be dictated by the IMF and the world bank, and anything that wasn't already privatized will be. You'll see Ukraine become something even more sad than Cuba under Fulgencio Batiasta. That's what is most insane to me about the right wing nationalists in Ukraine. their choices are more destructive to the nation than anything the separatists wanted. Their economic sense is dogshit. Maidan happened because Yanukovych chose a Russian aid package over a US aid package, because the Russian aid package was lower interest and came with a gas discount. But sucking off the EU and NATO was more important than having lower debt to regional powers I guess…. because nationalism?

 No.1279482

>>1279457
>>1279468
>until Ukraine has the upper hand
>until
Uh, oh, not saying Ukraine has the upper hand is Russian troll disinformation propaganda. Von Der Leyen should be arrested, raped (which is good in this situation because Russian sympathies have no human rights, and that's a good thing) and executed for her parroting of this prebunked Rashist wrong think and being and obvious Putin bot.

 No.1279485

>>1279446
>I think this really about Russia taxing the commitment of the economic base for Western global supremacy
I think so too, or at the very least if these strikes on infrastructure have any impact on the war it will be through this rather than demoralization. Obviously if Ukraine's infrastructure is in shambles then this will force them and their Western benefactors to devote more resources to the needs of the civilian population, which means less for the war effort.

 No.1279488

>>1279457
lol what if the EU and its chronic crisis meets an end fighting a colonial war in Ukraine
would be fitting
>>1279479
>That's what is most insane to me about the right wing nationalists in Ukraine. their choices are more destructive to the nation than anything the separatists wanted.
the leader of the CPU said similar in the Rada after Euromaidan

 No.1279493

>>1279442
>Guess what happened in Ukraine after the strategic bombing campaign.
Did it though, what with the protests in Odessa happening and the Ukrainian state telling it's people (in areas affected by the strikes) to move out of the country for the time being since there will be no water and electricity supply?
If you'll add this new wave of refugees with
>1) The people that were fleeing eastern Ukraine in droves to Russia since the start of the Donbass conflict
>2) All the Ukrainian that ran out of the country once the SMO started
>3) All the people that died since 2014 + the SMO
then Ukraine has lost massive amounts of people, largely young people and families. And iirc, Zelensky canceled the call for mobilisation that was supposed to hapen this fall, so they can only draw from mostly older people and foreign mercenaries, the latter costing far more than a conscript.

 No.1279500

>>1279450
While Ukrops might tell you how epicly freedom-loving and revolutionary they are, in reality they have the same passivity problem as people in Russia and other post-Soviet countries do. We've been so shell-shocked by the sheer apocalyptic horror of the 90s that any sort of stability is preferable to unrest as far as the broad population is concerned. Maidan wouldn't have happened without paid provocateurs and support of the West, they tried again against Poroshenko and without Nuland's "cookies" it petered out near-instantly and people just went home.

Despite the picture of carnage that the Western media paints, for most Ukrainians the situation isn't so bad. Up until recently they had basic utilities, TV and internet, which is enough to leave one comfortably sitting at home. And even if things got bad, it was easier to flee abroad and get gibs, which up to 1/3 of their population has already done.

Add to this the risk of being lynched by neo-nazi paramilitaries like all the "collaborateurs" in Kharkiv and Kherson were and you see why few people are raring to protest. We'll see if things change now after General Surovikin and General Winter's crossover act.

 No.1279504


 No.1279518

>>1279500
>you see why few people are raring to protest
Friendly reminder, the dude that organized the Odessa protest already got a friendly visit by Ukrainian state agents (read: SBU).

 No.1279519


 No.1279522

File: 1669308427031.mp4 (Spoiler Image, 729.87 KB, 480x640, 1669308352542.mp4)

Mass shooting in Russia:
>Russian authorities say a gunman has opened fire in a southern city, killing three people, and then killed himself. The violence took place in the city of Krymsk in the Krasnodar region, about 750 miles south of Moscow.

Video related, content warning.

 No.1279530

>>1279493
Also, I forgot to add
>4) The people currently living in the annexed regions, which number in the millions, even after all of the previous waves of refugees.
The Wikipedia page states that around 8 million people left Ukraine since the SMO started. If you add all 4 points together, you could be looking at like 20+ million people that Ukraine lost.

 No.1279531

>>1279522
>mass
<4 people

 No.1279533

>>1279531
In america even the mass shootings are bigger??

 No.1279536

>>1279531
Mass shootings don't really have a concrete definition on how many people had to have died/get wounded for it to be considered a mass shooting instead of a regular shooting.
Some definitione consider 5+ casualties a mass shooting.

 No.1279538

File: 1669309365257.jpg (663.49 KB, 1480x2048, shoes 2.jpg)

>>1279533
Everything is bigger

 No.1279548


 No.1279559


 No.1279561

>>1279504
while i appreciate the sentiment it's kinda retarded and ahistorical in that it presents the attacks against Donbass as something that began under Zelensky

 No.1279579

>>1279479
It's because nationaloids are always the biggest traitors to the nation, they claim to represent. It's all LARP. Who isn't LARPing hard enough and licks the boot of the greater power funding them will be purged.

 No.1279580

File: 1669313018519.jpg (683.03 KB, 718x2389, Lpa.jpg)

It sucks being a socialist in the anglosphere

 No.1279583

>>1279580
OJ supported NATO bombing Libya so he can fuck off too.

 No.1279588

>>1279583
he's just a grifter TBH

 No.1279595

File: 1669313956824.jpg (49 KB, 800x457, 9a764.jpg)

Deutsche Welle ran a story where these gentlemen complain about how the Russians stole their iPhones and laptops lol

 No.1279600

File: 1669314121139-0.mp4 (17.76 MB, 854x480, 93.mp4)

>>1279402
Holy based.
Here's the footage.

 No.1279611

>>1279580
Corbyn got Car-Washed hard, didn't he?

 No.1279612

>>1279600
trash: taken out

 No.1279650

>>1279402
>>1279406
They targeted gamers. Gamers.

 No.1279655

File: 1669317929691.png (203.3 KB, 1500x1222, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1279402
>they think they killed them

 No.1279670

File: 1669319048649.jpg (159.3 KB, 973x1274, kB1moywRhMs-1.jpg)

Oh no poor Europe :'(

 No.1279671

File: 1669319232696.jpg (173.75 KB, 1023x718, 1348-jpg.jpg)

>>1279670
>Won't somebody please think of the richest place in the world sitting atop hundreds of years of accumulated plunder?

 No.1279673

>>1279670
Liberate my country Xi!

 No.1279674

>>1279670
“To be America's enemy is dangerous, but to be America's friend is fatal.” - Henry Kissinger

 No.1279675

>>1279671
yeah it's definitely the bourg that will suffer in this situation.

 No.1279678

>>1279675
Of course proles will suffer most, but it's not as if the Economist is ever going to recognize the existence of class war of the European ruling class against its own people. Instead it will blame all those uppity savages in the periphery for not submitting entirely to Western hegemony.

 No.1279679

File: 1669319723824.jpg (77.37 KB, 580x415, e3-724.jpg)

>>1279675
The westoid is afraid of the judgment of history

 No.1279680

>>1279670
Let this be a lesson to all social democrats. Once the gains have been made it is imperative that it be enshrined as an inalienable right and it's violation to be paid with blood- capital sentence to those who would attempt to take it away. The true meaning of dictatorship of the proletariat is violent reprisals against the enemies of labor whether it be in law or tribunals. If the bourgeoisie law uses violence to protect private property, we enshrine laws to protect labor above all and crush those of profit e.g. private property.

 No.1279683

>>1279679
Come on RusAnon, don't lose sight of who the real enemy is. International antagonisms do not ever really supplant class antagonisms, they only numb them temporarily.

 No.1279684

>>1279683
Sorry, I've been translating Gonzaloite writings into Russian lately and that must have taken a toll on my psyche

 No.1279687

>>1279684
>I've been translating Gonzaloite writings into Russian lately
Why?

 No.1279690

>>1279687
PCP's collection of works is still untranslated into Russian so my comrades thought we'd pick up the slack even though we don't agree with everything inside

 No.1279693

>>1279684
Why are you wasting your time in Gonzalo trash?

 No.1279694

>>1279670
Is the fart shortage really that serious? Honest question because media here in Latin America doesn't even mention any hardships in the EU whatsoever.

 No.1279699

>>1279690
What do you think of it? I was briefly part of a Gonzaloite group some years ago and the people there were ridiculous ultras. I never read much of the actual theory though.

 No.1279707

>>1279694
The shortage of LNG is mostly addressed but prices are still high. The big question is when the French will finally fix their NPR

 No.1279711

>>1279699
It's something. I still don't understand the concept of "bureaucratic bourgeoisie" but I suppose it's something they came up with to equate the left-leaning military dictatorships of LatAm with the Warsaw Pact, lol. I just treat it as a class-conscious insight into Peruvian history, and ignore the barbs towards "social imperialists".

 No.1279738

>>1279600
Lmao at the Anglo flag

 No.1279786

>>1279707
>The big question is when the French will finally fix their NPR
Latest news I heard is that we're a bit late on that. There is a possibility that "rolling blackouts" might be implemented between 8-12am and 6-8pm. Hope we see Gilets Jaunes: Chapter 2 soon enough.

 No.1279793

>>1279522
>Around 750 km's south of Moscow.
Fucking where you stupid motherfucker?!

 No.1279796

>>1279793
Err, it says in the post, Krymsk in Krasnodar Krai

 No.1279798

>>1279796
No, no. I'm angry that it needed to point out it's fucking 750km's away from fucking moscow, like, it could have said.
>This happened 3000 km's north of South Africa' capital!
Like, why would you point that out?!

 No.1279806

File: 1669325950379.png (70.88 KB, 741x587, FiWTyZUXgAAVcid.png)

only way these shinuiba retards have another perspective.

 No.1279807

>>1279798
Moscow is the only Russian city westoids know, duh

 No.1279814


 No.1279818

>>1279786
The ministry of interior just ordered a dozen millions grenades so they're planning for it too

 No.1279826

File: 1669326489470.png (110.78 KB, 451x439, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1279793
is this an attempt to makeit look like le pootin is under threat of civil conflict

 No.1279828

>>1278889
>Mark Milley spoke to porkies in New York recently and said Russia is losing the war
they are setting goals for Russia that don't exist, never existed. This is utterly retard. When he said "the probability of ukraine victory, defines as is, kicking the Russian out of all ukraine (. . .) the probability of all that happening any time soon, militarily, is not high" he defined the kekraine goals as reflected by kekraine, but he doesn't do this for what Putin said back in February.
1) Protect people under the kekraine regimen
2) Demilitarize kekraine
3) Nedazify kekraine
Specific goals, but then comes westerners and change adjusting it to their idealist world of view.

 No.1279832

>>1279806
>>1279814
but the nafos are the only ones who lie about anything, ever, and i should take pro-russian tweets at total face value because american hegemony are the only liars on the planet

 No.1279834

>>1279814
he had it, he deleted it.

 No.1279837

>>1279834 )me)
ah, the l in Dylan is a uppercase i, not delete it, but actually a clone.

 No.1279841

File: 1669327232407.jpg (43.36 KB, 603x626, 3C5y8usebZs.jpg)

21st century warfare is fascinating

 No.1279848

>>1279841
two sides fighting a war and arguing online is very 21st century

 No.1279850

>>1279826
a weird flex, especially when Russia comes from an era where terrorist attacks were quite common, from 2006 to 2016, a managed to suppress them significantly in 2018.

 No.1279851

>>1279834
>>1279806
The tweeting account is affiliated to Infrared goons.
Are you an acolyte of infrared?
Where did you get the image? Just wondering…

 No.1279854

>>1279828
You gullible liberal, politicians lie all the time and capitalist countries don't go to war to save the good guys and kill the terrorists, stop basing your worldview on marvel movies

 No.1279857

>>1279851
Obsessed with haz, much? first:
https://twitter.com/VonClownsewitz/status/1595844158966665219
and before posting I do a check:
https://twitter.com/search?q=it%27s%20time%20to%20negotiate%20with%20russia%20tbh&src=typed_query&f=live
I did not realize it was a clone account.
Haz lives rent free in your brain.

 No.1279860

>>1279675
remember that we're not making fun of european proles but the hysterical imperialist propaganda in the image of >>1279670 which implies that the world is "leaving europe behind"

 No.1279862

>>1279857 (me)
>>1279851
you can ask for mods how many times I have mentioned haz in my ip history.
I bet the counter is two (this and >>1279857) and yours is 879567y76t87tsfnv947796

 No.1279864

>>1279828
Because the west is just projecting, they always storm into other countries with the explicit goal of regime change and turning whichever nation they're invading into a "democracy". Last time Russia did something like this was in Georgia where it lasted a couple of weeks and Georgia lost but remained an independent country with the same regime.

That being said, I question those motives from Russia
>Protect people under the Ukraine regime
They seem to be attacking a lot of cities they previously seemed to want to integrate that now seem quite unlikely goals, like Odessa and Kharkov
>Demilitarise Ukraine
Uncertain how this is achieved without the complete unconditional surrender of Ukraine and the regime being changed to one that won't seek to take up arms against Russia again
>Denazify Ukraine
They've let literal Nazis go as part of their prisoner swaps, so even that's out

Really, Russia were just deluding themselves they could fight this any differently to NATO or for any grander reason.

 No.1279865

>>1279851
Rent Free.

 No.1279866

>>1279862
>>1279857
OK. Just wondering since I feel we've seen way more nazbol types on the site lately. Not that you are one, I was curious if there was a connection.

 No.1279871

>>1279866
Don't worry about /leftypol/'s self-inflicted bullshit like Haz. It's what I do.

 No.1279879

>>1279864
>They seem to be attacking a lot of cities they previously seemed to want to integrate that now seem quite unlikely goals, like Odessa and Kharkov
Most of those cities where air-struck back in February. Precission-guided missile strike is not attacking civvies. In one month in Iraq tolls, a smaller country, the u.s. managed to kill more civvies than Russian in 9 months of the SMO. And protecting them, yes, because they have evacuated most of them.
>Uncertain how this is achieved without the complete unconditional surrender of Ukraine and the regime being changed to one that won't seek to take up arms against Russia again
once until the last kekrainian as the west conditioned this goal explicitly said by Russia.
>They've let literal Nazis go as part of their prisoner swaps, so even that's out
and they are recorded publicly asking for forgiveness, but in the core the second points go hand in hand with the third, because as long kekraine keeps throwing more meat to the meatgrinder, this will not end.

 No.1279884

File: 1669329776921-0.mp4 (282.03 KB, 360x640, b_LmGDgpyYoU5pBL.mp4)

File: 1669329776921-1.mp4 (993.45 KB, 720x1280, vfp3mzJ9Q7rRrCG_.mp4)

Odesa, tonight.

 No.1279886

File: 1669329852613-0.jpg (295.87 KB, 1170x827, Before.jpg)

File: 1669329852613-1.jpg (233.36 KB, 1170x827, After.jpg)

Ukraine before and after General Sergey "Armageddon" Surovikin entered the scene.

 No.1279887

>>1279879
>In one month in Iraq tolls, a smaller country, the u.s. managed to kill more civvies than Russian in 9 months of the SMO. And protecting them, yes, because they have evacuated most of them.
That's just wrong, if you take the high estimates of both sides then way more Ukrainian civilians have died, Iraq body count puts it at 12152 for 2003, Ukraine and US estimates put ukrainian body count between 30k and 40k. Both on a nine month period.

 No.1279889

>>1279670
Another map of Europe that subtly shows the artist's political bias. Interesting that Turkey is included as well as all of 1991 Ukraine, while Belarus is included. Makes sort of sense to exclude Russia but it's funny that Kaliningrad's excluded.

 No.1279891

>>1279887
>ukrainian body count
Military or civilian?

 No.1279893

>>1279891
Civilians only, invaded side

 No.1279894

>>1279887
> Ukraine and US estimates
yes, the ghost of kiev estimators.
Let's see the U.N. report:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/10/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-3-october-2022
Meanwhile, second image shows the civilians killed during the first lapse
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-11107739

 No.1279899

>>1279886
I remember everyone getting hyped about this, but it seems to have really changed nothing. Is there a reason why all those Kalibrs and Gerans couldn't have just been fired at soldiers and tanks and shit instead of spending all that fire power on just switching the lights off?

 No.1279902

>>1279894
Okay then let's see the more updated report
https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/11/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-14-november-2022
We have 6,557 killed, that's a low end estimate because all of those have to be checked and confirmed, while Iraq Body Counts which doesn't has the same rigor as the UN puts the civilians deaths during the invasion only at 7,299 which is considered a high end estimate. Pretty clear Russia killed more innocent people as a result of direct military ops.

 No.1279905

>>1279693
Gonzalo created one of the most thriving insurgencies in recent communist history. His practice of uniting the slums with revolutionary thought is a real innovation and should be studied by every communist as slums are ever-expanding in neoliberalism.

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 No.1279917

>>1279693
You can learn a lot from the peruvian experience and gonzalo.
' I won't read or learn about the shinning path because the media told me gonzalo boiled babies' is a liberal mindset

 No.1279918

>>1279902
you are making up stuff.
The bbc body count wasn't unverified counts, but from iraqbodycount report, which the same westerners regard as the "most accurate source" of civilians killed in Iraq https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/aug/27/chilcot-inquiry-iraq-civilian-deaths.
by the same metric, U.N. reports verified information. If you check first month, is already >4000 civilians killed, in the first month that's close to the 9 months of the SMO, even for this report from november:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/11/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-14-november-2022
in the end, the point still stands: Russia is not engaged in killing civilians.
you can also sum the number of civilians by this rigorous report by 21 May 2003, https://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/0305iraqcasualtydata.pdf. And check the high number of civvies killed, just two months after the invasion started.

 No.1279922

>>1279918
>in the end, the point still stands: Russia is not engaged in killing civilians.
How, tell me what do you think happen when explosive ordnance fall on civilian inhabited areas? Do Ukrainian use bicycles to power respiratory devices when electricity is cut for days. You're fucking clueless my dude, you don't know what modern warfare means.

 No.1279927

>>1279841
like i said, WW3 is going to be a war where everyone is dabbing on each other all the time over everything.

 No.1279929

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>>1279922
lmao, you are mixing civilian infrastructure with engaged in killing civilians. even if a soldier uses a switch to turn off the light in storage, that switch becomes a military target. everything ukronazis use is a military target. the difference is that you don't see Russia engaged in striking for the sake of striking them. read this part of the Iraq report, for example

This is just a murderous u.s. nation, vs. Russian having control of bloodlust.

 No.1279936

>>1279929
So? Russia also killed its share of journalists and wounded soldiers, they are also bombing hospitals and ambulances (WHO). That's just war for you, you can only claim the kids that are killed in videos were military assets or secret Ukrainian false flags so long, at some point you'll realize Russia is not the marvel good guys and you're gonna be in shock my guy

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 No.1279941

>>1279936
>at some point you'll realize Russia is not the marvel good guys
>and you're gonna be in shock my guy
Cry more, Ukraine will never be the good guys here. Russia must protect its people and resources from another Yeltsin backed by the US. Know what happened on September 30, 1965, and please also read Killing Hope!

 No.1279945

>>1279941
>there must be good guys and bad guys, that's how the marvel cinematic universe and high school football taught me dialectics
No american, it's not how that works

 No.1279946

>>1279936
fuck off, you retarded shithead.
months took for Russia to finally attack electrical infrastructure, and it was because of the stupidity of the ukronazis to drag civvies into their pro-western shit that they started to do that the u.s. did from day 0.

 No.1279949

>>1279922
I dont think you understand how Iraq was blitzed to demonstrate 21st century conventional superiority to the world. I know people who were part of that that invasion. Baghdad was bombed to the stone age, it was constantly lit up, while the US military sliced through the country like mechanized spears. We made it a point to brute force our way without stopping. We shot at anyone who approached the roads because we had no real rules of engagement until Obama. At least a million Iraqis died in that war.

The war in Ukraine has been far more limited. It's been about destroying the Ukrainian army in the field in the east, where it's built up a siege machine and a Maginot line. At the same time, Russia tries to paralyze the country with precision strikes. The real civilian casualty toll of this war is found in the number of refugees.

 No.1279958

>>1279938
>>1279909
The Shining Path controlled around 50% of the country. Makes no sense for Westerners to make fun of Gonzalo when they've got nothing to show for it.

 No.1279964

>>1279958
>The Shining Path controlled around 50% of the country.
And then preceded to lose it all by making Ultra-Left mistakes.

 No.1280012

>>1279964
and? we can critically appraise what they did right and what they did wrong. i never understood this board's condemnation of Gonzalo, most communist parties would be considered "failures" by the standard the board applies to the Shining Path and yet nobody is shitting on the Portuguese Communists who could have won if not for rightist mistakes.

 No.1280019

>>1280012
>nobody is shitting on the Portuguese Communists who could have won
Because no one is asking us to worship Cunhal as the 'Sixth head of Marxism' or otherwise we are a 'Revisionist'.

 No.1280031

>>1279899
very unintelligent post. do better

 No.1280041

>>1279945
>No american, it's not how that works
Who's the American here? You who always read AP News every single fucking time and gobbling mainstream narratives peddled by CNN + NBC + CBS + etc. (INCLUDES FOX AND NEWSMAX) afterwards, or the other anons (including me) who proudly reject MSM and read alternative sources? Yes, we must back Ukraine, yes we must let NATO expand eastward. That would surely be a good thing for world democracy, and Russia must be decolonized, amirite?

 No.1280059

From previous thread because discussion failed to materialize:
How is Ukraine different from Timor, and are there any differences between the two? Can we also draw parallels form it?

 No.1280163

>>1280012
People shit on Gonzalo more because his followers in the West are insufferable.

 No.1280168

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>>1279929
> at some point you'll realize Russia is not the marvel good guys
everyone here already knows this
> you're gonna be in shock my guy
nobody here is in shock. when russia kills civilians it's because AFU hole up in civilian infrastructure, don't let people leave through corridors, and then bait russians with artillery strikes. So many civilians in Mariupol risked their own life (since AFU often retaliates against civilians who talk shit about them) to testify Ukrainian Armed Forces were doing this. The AFU hates their own countrymen in Donbass. They view Donbass civilians as Russians… because they speak Russian and lean separatist. So they kidnap and torture these people and hold them hostage and refuse to obey international law. Russians keep open civilian corridors like they're fucking supposed to but the Ukrainians don't let people go through them.

 No.1280187

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>>1279936
>you'll realize Russia is not the marvel good guys and you're gonna be in shock my guy

 No.1280198

>>1280168
meant to reply to >>1279936

 No.1280219

>>1279430
I recently saw a guy crying on twitter that his entire family still in Ukraine is without basic infrastructure. The conclusion? Ukraine needs more anti-air defense. As if that will fix all the infrastructure. No "maybe we should negotiate". No " maybe we can yield those lands". No "what can we do to end this war". Some of the comments were saying "escalate to de-escalate". That's a new psyop I haven't heard before. It seems ukranians are hell bent on dying for the US.

 No.1280223

>>1280219
>to the last ukrainian

 No.1280226

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>>1280219
> "escalate to de-escalate"
Link?

 No.1280233

>>1280219
Anti air defenses can intercept cruise missiles and therefore prevent infrastructure destruction and civilian deaths so it make sense for someone seeing Russia as a country hellbent on killing their people to think about how they can limit damage and fight back rather than negociate, it's not a "CIA psyop"

 No.1280234

>>1280219
>This one twitter thread proves X
Boomer moment

 No.1280240

>>1280233
I called Psyop the "escalate to deescalate" line. There are more institutions besides the CIA running interference.
>>1280234
Have you seen any Ukranians calling for an end to the conflict? I have yet to encounter an English speaking Ukrainian, living abroad or not, asking for deescalation, dialogue, and a ceasefire. It doesn't prove anything, but at some point you have to wonder and be amazed at how well the US has controlled and maintained this conflict.

 No.1280242


 No.1280246

>>1280240
English speaking Ukranians know English to propagandize

 No.1280250

>>1280233
ah yes, AA defences are 100% reliable and that's why kekraine is having their power grid cap-halved.
escalate is to de-escalate, and good is bad, blue is red, up is down, left is right, and tomorrow is yesterday, and the AAs will bring you back destroyed infrastructure.

 No.1280257

>>1280240
If Ukraine is defeated then there's going to be one hell of a stab-in-the-back myth. The West has controlled the propaganda war so effectively that a loss could come as a shock to many Ukrainians, making them feel that they could have won but they were betrayed by liberal Jews like Zelensky. The Banderite movement is likely to emerge stronger than ever from this in whatever regions Russia fails to control.

 No.1280267

>>1280257
If Russia doesn't do some serious shit to galicia and the banderites, this problem will only come back.

 No.1280273

>>1280257
>>1280267
I'm somewhat of a Banderistic colony town myself here in Canada. Ready for the newKRAINE right here.

 No.1280274

>>1280273
Alberta already had statues for SS divisions.

 No.1280276

I made my RT app gave me a breaking news alert whenever there was a big or semi important happening. The past few days I've gotten nothing. Just to make sure has nothing that important been happening the past few days? Just the daily arguments?

 No.1280278

Did I win yet?

 No.1280281

>>1280274
Every province has.
Still has
Same for Baltic SS.
Slava newKRAYINI

 No.1280288

>be Ukrainian
>be unable to tell time on a clock
>never hear of cheap battery-powered quartz watches
>can't turn on your iPad
>don't know if it's night or day(:^))

 No.1280294

>>1280288
Someone should plot internet spam against Ukraine power outage.(glowing)

 No.1280295

>>1280288
>samsung gear 5
Jesus Christ all these English-speaking foreign Redditors are truly the most privileged class gusanos of their countries.

 No.1280297

>>1280288
I remember the psycho soyak posting earlier saying how they will enjoy taking cold showers during winter as long they kill vatuyghurs, while europe should shut the fuck up and fall in line.
well, let's see how much they will enjoy these cold showers now.

 No.1280304

>>1279917
>You can learn a lot from the peruvian experience and gonzalo.
Not really.

 No.1280305

>>1280288
>be tech obsessed soycuck
>don’t own watch
>no mechanical clocks inside the house
>electricity goes out
>man what time is it???(:^))

 No.1280306

>>1280012
Then we're talking about military tactics which are basically robbed from Mao's treatises on guerrilla warfare. There are many treatises on war that are highly valuable. I don't need Gonzalo for this.

 No.1280319

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>Thread #102
>Was supposed to all end at #100
Say it with me now anon

 No.1280334

>>1279936
yup. friendly reminder this is leftypol not pol, not a place meant for vitamin d deficient aimless neets to spend all day circlejerking about muh based bourgeois state authority figures. should be circlejerking about muh based deformed workers state authority figures instead geeze

 No.1280348

>>1280346
Just :^) but the system detects that said message is from a mod and so added 2 parentheses automatically

 No.1280361

>>1280348
deleted my post cause I realised I don't care, but why can't mods just reply to the posts like everyone else?

 No.1280363

>>1280305
tbh i didn't read the original post, i looked up the image and wrote the comment.
posed from the phone so yeah

 No.1280370

>>1280361
It is a warning for this style of indulging in the suffering of Ukrainian people. The :^) means "you are acting like a clown right now" wilding out, etc.

 No.1280373

>>1280367
USSR 2.0 any day now zister

 No.1280374

>>1280367
dont reply to bait

 No.1280382

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Z-bros…
How many more weeks? How many more threads?

 No.1280384


 No.1280386

>>1280367
>t. comrade king

 No.1280392


 No.1280396

>>1280367
True. Closest historical comparison would be various retarded French capitalist kings/emperors after Napoleon and French people flipflopping between republics and empires after their revolution was crushed from inside and outside

 No.1280399

>>1280370
>indulging in the suffering of Ukrainian people
>not being able to charge your smartwatch is suffering
maybe for you, westoid. I was making fun of zoomers. just because he's Ukrainian doesn't mean he's special or protected. fuck off back to reddit.

 No.1280411

>>1280384
I find it interesting how Assad was able to hold onto the coastline. I wonder what would have happened if ISIS or other groups had reached it.

 No.1280413

>>1280399
>I was making fun of zoomers
Perhaps I misunderstood your intentions then. I have seen sadism and bloodthirst towards innocent Ukrainian people and people of other nationalities in this thread, and while some idiocy is permitted (I mean this is leftypol) this is still a leftist site and not the place to circlejerk over le based flavour of death and immiseration of people, see 14 d,e,g.
I mistook your intentions here? Then my apologies anon.

 No.1280420

>>1280382
Two more weeks, trust the plan.

 No.1280426

>>1280413
It's not about suffering, it's about a zoomer who doesn't understand what a watch/clock is. Someone told him to get a wristwatch (as in a cheap quartz wristwatch that runs for years on one battery) but the tech-dependent zoomer said he's got a smartwatch that he has to charge like his other devices. It was about how modern-day young people are so dependent on technology that they lose the sense of time if they don't have a screen telling them what time it is. The person who wrote that reddit post probably wouldn't be able to tell time on a regular clock with hands. He also said without screens he had nothing to do except go to sleep. Get a candle or kerosene lamp and read a book. If he can afford laptops and smart watches, he can afford candles. There's many ways to have light or entertain yourself without electricity (growing up with regular power cuts, I know this for a fact), yet this zoomer was completely lost without his iPad. That's what the post was about, and everyone else seems to have gotten it.

Apology accepted.

 No.1280428

>>1280411
>I wonder what would have happened if ISIS or other groups had reached it.
enforced burkinis

 No.1280431

>>1280420
Two more weeks until Ukraine freezes over completely.

 No.1280456

>>1280240
>Have you seen any Ukranians calling for an end to the conflict? I have yet to encounter an English speaking Ukrainian, living abroad or not, asking for deescalation, dialogue, and a ceasefire. It doesn't prove anything, but at some point you have to wonder and be amazed at how well the US has controlled and maintained this conflict.

Yes I have & she was actually someone from Lviv

 No.1280476

>>1280240
>Have you seen any Ukranians calling for an end to the conflict?
pretty much everyone in Donbass

 No.1280487

>>1280484
They are at least nominally citizens of Ukraine.

 No.1280493

>>1280491
>Refusing to recognize the new territories should be a bannable offense.
Lmao. What a fucking faggot.

 No.1280510

>>1280491
Russian With Autism detected

 No.1280528

12 minute video in 6 parts, drone footage of a suicide attack by Ukrainian forces on LPR trenches/positions.
https://nitter.net/narrative_hole/status/1595195664455065601
Where's Rubber Feelix, what's his thoughts on this?

 No.1280532

>>1280493
>>1280510
>noooooo, only US is allowed to recognise new republics and territory annexations
This is also an aspect of multipolarity, the US is no longer the only global power that is allowed to determine which countries are legitimate. Ukraine can reeee all it wants that Crimea is theirs, but that won't change the reality on the ground.

 No.1280596

>>1280487
Ukraine has been shelling the shit outta them for almost a decade
You're the uygha sitting in Boston during the winter of 1775 having to eat your dog and going "uhhh actually we're still British subjects guys" in the most Morty voice imaginable.

 No.1280598

>>1280491
>Refusing to recognize the new territories should be a bannable offense
Got high on too much pro-russianism that lost sight of everything else.

 No.1280625

>>1280624
"Ukrainians" are Romanians who were brainwashed by the NKVD. There is no historical references to "Ukraine" before 1928.

 No.1280632

>>1280624
>Ukrainian projection: the post

 No.1280635

>>1280624
>bunch of untrue bullshit
no lights got you down?

 No.1280641

Got into a discussion with a fellow worker over Cuckraine today.
I was pleasantly surprised that multiple people seem to have agreed with my general framing of the conflict being more gray than what the other guy said – typical "Russia is imperialist eeeevul genocider" bla bla.
I'm a bit on edge now, since I think I may have exposed too much of my views, but I couldn't resist to correct this brainrot.

He said, that people in Russia proper have started fighting the gubbermint. Before I could ask for a source, the break was over and we had to continue wageslaving.
Russian anons, is anything going on inside Russia to that degree?

 No.1280644

>>1280641
>is anything going on inside Russia to that degree?
Nope. Class conflict has somewhat intensified against the backdrop of sanctions (they just arrested another courier union leader) but there are no widespread protests against the war. Antiwar liberasts mostly flee abroad to LARP as victims of totalitarian regime (before quietly going home because of the unbearable prices in Europe). Most people do not care. Also there have been some cases of SBU sabotage that comprador media paints as Le Democratic Resistance but those are very minor as well.

 No.1280646

>>1280624
There are millions of Ukranians within Russia itself that are, and always have been, free to follow their culture and speak their language
You are full of shit

 No.1280649

>>1280646
Please do not spread Stalinist lies about the existence of "Ukrainians".

 No.1280653

>>1280624
And btw, if you want to see a real genocide, look up the population numbers of most eastern european states after the fall of the eastern block and their inclussion into the eu

 No.1280655

>>1280653
At least one silver lining from the fall of the USSR is that Baltoids will one day soon drop below a population level capable of being a distinct nation.

 No.1280668

>>1280655
Plz no say that about precious snow monkeys raised to sapience by the Soviet Union

 No.1280670

>>1280624
I actually read that libs were screeching about, the one where Putin calls Russians and Ukrainians "one people." To my utter shock it turned out libs were lying, and far from denying the distinctiveness of Ukraine or denying that it has a right to be an independent state, it criticizes Tsarist policies of cultural suppression, and appeals to the common history of the two peoples to argue that they should be friends and allies. Who would have thought libs would lie like that?

 No.1280677

>>1280644
>Antiwar liberasts mostly flee abroad to LARP as victims of totalitarian regime (before quietly going home because of the unbearable prices in Europe)
Aren't these shitlib and right-wing types mostly computer science graduates or other academics who comfortably live off higher than E.U. average salaries or grants by U.S. and E.U. glowies and western "philantropist" foundations? The russians on german imageboard /int/ are mostly CS types, stock market/crypto gamblers or gamer NEETs, they tend to be either turbo social-darwinist neoliberals or deranged fascists. They always complain about "Russia is shit SHIT", but never complain about their personal living standard or work conditions being shit SHIT.

 No.1280679

>>1280677
Those people aren't the majority. There were tons of liberals who fled abroad without any marketable skills or a plan because they heard that Europe is a paradise where everything is free and you can survive selling pins on etsy

 No.1280683

>>1280670
Yea I read it as well. It was meager in its claims. All it said was that Ukraine is not an anti-Russia. Even Gorbachev says Russians and Ukrainians are one people. It said Ukraine is free to seek an independent state, but the exact form and shape of that is not unilateral (i.e you can't bomb donbass to an 'independent state' aka european anti-russia)

Liberals are so ideologically degenerated as ruling ideology that they think any Russian security interest in its periphery is Duginism and any identification of Ukraine and Russia is the ideology of the triune all-Russian nation. We argue any foreign distortion of the liberal international order brings us back to the 19th century, meanwhile we must rationalize the divisions this order expands as caused by breaking down hidebound structures even when it's really not. This is how we manufactured the crisis in Ukraine and made it about Russia.

I'm just gonna be honest, this is racism. We believe anything short of the maximum European reconfiguration of the former USSR is a restoration of feudalism because that's the nature of Russians (who cannot become democratic). Russophobia and Sinophobia share a common track in the 2010s, it's the same fear of a 'non-European peril'

 No.1280690

>>1280679
Thanks m8, that makes sense.

 No.1280691

Some apartment buildings built in Mariupol

https://twitter.com/danielmkovalik/status/1595831831298859008

 No.1280696

>>1280691
I'm skeptical at the quote of 3.5 months. Or else everyone in construction in my country is goldbricking real hard.

 No.1280697

>>1280691
wasn't there rumours of workers from the DPRK helping with construction work? this is the power of Juche

 No.1280698

>>1280696
I wouldn't be skeptical. Putin has made it a point to rebuild in the wake of battles especially in Mariupol, where he said they need to have heating by winter. I'm not sure if it's 3.5 months, but it's measured in months nonetheless.

 No.1280702

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-war-europe-ukraine-gas-inflation-reduction-act-ira-joe-biden-rift-west-eu-accuses-us-of-profiting-from-war/
Europe accuses US of profiting from war
<EU officials attack Joe Biden over sky-high gas prices, weapons sales and trade as Vladimir Putin’s war threatens to destroy Western unity.

>Nine months after invading Ukraine, Vladimir Putin is beginning to fracture the West. 


>Top European officials are furious with Joe Biden’s administration and now accuse the Americans of making a fortune from the war, while EU countries suffer. 


>“The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” one senior official told POLITICO. 


>The explosive comments — backed in public and private by officials, diplomats and ministers elsewhere — follow mounting anger in Europe over American subsidies that threaten to wreck European industry. The Kremlin is likely to welcome the poisoning of the atmosphere among Western allies. 


>“We are really at a historic juncture,” the senior EU official said, arguing that the double hit of trade disruption from U.S. subsidies and high energy prices risks turning public opinion against both the war effort and the transatlantic alliance. “America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries.”


Uh oh, trouble in the garden.

 No.1280704

>>1280702
>"Look America, if you cripple our industries three or four more times we are seriously going to consider writing a letter asking to to please desist"

 No.1280708

>>1280702
Rumble in the jungle, maldin' in the garden.

 No.1280722

>>1280702
I give NATO about a Month, maybe two.

The EU who fucking knows, they could survive as a bloc and move towards china or breakup and all move towards china.

 No.1280730

>>1280702
Those complaining about US war profiting are russians supporters.
Those not complaining about US war profiting, are better trained russian supporters :^))).

 No.1280735

>>1280702
I think there's a race to the bottom involved with preserving imperialist unipolarity. The pie is shrinking and the top needs it first. Liberal internationalism may fray irreparably and the division of the world between democratic and authoritarian may be running out of steam after becoming the logic of capital and its global crisis.

 No.1280745

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don't mind me, just posting a classic from the very beginning of the war

 No.1280749

>>1280745
Pretty sus how this uygha became a full time "Russia expert" on 24.02 but barely talked about it before

 No.1280750

>>1280702
It's a way of negotiating the transatlantic trade and more precisely gas prices. There are dozens of burger LNG tankers on the coast holding to discharge their gas in Europe which are just waiting for the prices to peak.

 No.1280752

>>1280735
>The pie is shrinking
The pie isn't just shrinking, it is being actively shrunk by China through economic and Russia through military means. Theoretically speaking there's no limit to how long you can immiserate, plunder, enslave the third world, but now China is puling them out of the shitter, and you can't throw an IMF bait at a third world country to enforce perpetual indebtedness if they learned your tricks and have way better offer from China, and you can't just regime change a country with 5000 covert operatives if they get military help from Russia.

 No.1280754

>>1280749
he clearly reads (fiction) books, which makes him an expert

 No.1280756

>>1280754
>Russians start insane wars because of their slave mentality, read this 1842 novel to understand
Okay but which novel do I have to read to understand the slave mentality of Americans that causes them to level entire countries a continent away for no reason at all

 No.1280760

>>1280749
>>1280754
Wtf is his reasoning even? How does Dead Souls explain Russia's wars? I just looked up the plot and I don't see the connection.

 No.1280763

>>1280760
knock yourself out

 No.1280764

>>1280760
I glanced at it and it's basically clickbait. He takes a single paragraph from the book "Oh troika, winged troika, tell me who invented you? Surely, nowhere but among a nimble nation could you have been born in a country which has taken itself in earnest and has evenly spread far and wide over half of the globe" and uses it as an excuse to talk about how the West's Fukuyamaite vision of the future is heckin wholesome and makes Russia lash out in butthurt inferiority

 No.1280765

File: 1669392983866.png (241.84 KB, 790x874, expert.png)

>>1280749
He's a self-hating Russian living in England who makes a good buck by betraying his country. Literally that is all to it.

 No.1280767

>>1280765
I wonder if I could make a decent living by moving to Belarus or something and making videos about how terrible the West is.

 No.1280768

>>1280765
why are Russian libs like this

 No.1280770

>>1280752
Russia is in no position to really help militarily any new country against regime change, even more so now that the bulk of their forces is tied up in Ukraine and has been quite bled out. There's Mali but Wagner is here to essentially continue french counter terrorism operations and they recently pulled back forces to reinforce Ukraine. There's their proxy war in Libya against Turkey but it didn't get farther than a stalemate. Besides Syria they didn't do much, and can't really.

 No.1280772

>>1280767
they'd just find a way to demonetize or ban you

 No.1280775

>>1280767
this TBH

 No.1280784

File: 1669393854514.png (169.47 KB, 600x335, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1280765
Let's see Vlad Vexler Consulting's financials.

 No.1280786

>>1280767
Cultures that aren't as individualistic as the West don't find token ppl to be that fascinating. Plus the two rather recent world wars in the region made people unsurprised that during conflicts or hardships people rapidly change sides. During the cold war the American press successfully used defecting soldiers to prove to its audience that they were the "right side" of the conflict, but when the communists tried to do the same with American soldiers the propaganda didn't really work because people simply know that such shit happens, regardless which side is "right".

Another thing is that I don't think you have such juicy "insider knowledge" of Western cultures to spill that the avg. Belarusian wouldn't know. American culture is dominant around the world and the insanity of all of it is pretty transparent for all to see. In other words you have to have some kind of "exotic" status for people to care. If you are a Russian with a heavy accent spilling the "dark secrets" of Putin in London that works, but not the other way around, really.

 No.1280791

>>1280722
>I give NATO about a Month, maybe two.
don't be silly. although I agree Turkiye is perhaps leaving nato in the foreseeable future, it won't disappear.
>>1280767
>>1280765
this is the worst gusano mindset, the one that is profitable and exploited to scare and keep scared delusional westerners.

 No.1280795

>>1280528
NATO is fucking disgusting.
That was nothing but sending people to die.

 No.1280801

>>1280791
Depends if Germany and France keep moving towards China.

If they do, the US will see that as indistinguishable from siding with the Russians.

 No.1280802

>>1280791
The only "good gusano mindset" I've seen comes from second gen gusanos who learn to hate their parents.

 No.1280825

>>1280476
>pretty much everyone in Donbass
I agree, in 2014, they wanted the maidan to end :^)

 No.1280838

File: 1669396985354-0.png (454.42 KB, 758x387, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1669396985354-1.png (4.73 MB, 3296x1686, ClipboardImage.png)

UH OH UKRAINE BROS

 No.1280839

>>1278860
cyrillic cursive is not real writing.

 No.1280840

>>1280786
>American culture is dominant around the world

Common misconception borne out of Burger self-congratulating brain. China is as large as the entire West, and they live in their own cultural bubble, same for India and Africa. West only has cultural grasp in the form of Hollywood movies, and 40 years ago people in the Third World majorily assumed that Soviets won the Moon race, not Americans.

This self-congratulation needs to end. As more Chinese victories happen, as more US is forced to cope by inventing reality, as more countries brazenly side with China instead of US, the more this illusion of Western cultural dominance will shatter

 No.1280841

>>1280768
cucktin sold out his people, resulting in over 5 million deaths from deprivation in Russia alone, and you all line up to suck his dick so i dont know why you hate this guy so much.

 No.1280842

>>1278860
>Why so thin?
We truly live in a society

 No.1280844

File: 1669397181135-0.png (169.9 KB, 606x441, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1669397181135-1.mp4 (2.32 MB, 1280x688, vIEcwGPhYzP7pnpj.mp4)

The schmuck surely surveyed her butlers in that study. Also, surely the same study found that 9 out of 10 of her butlers love to live with the power generation of the presidential palace.

 No.1280846

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 No.1280847

>>1280802
only if that means hating another gusano, then yes.

 No.1280849

>>1280846
yeah see this is fake. this is not writing its just scribbles.

 No.1280853

>>1280765
Given his last name "his country" is probably Israel although Israel herself is still refusing to arm Azov iirc

 No.1280857

>>1280849
I can read it just fine wdym

 No.1280865

>>1280840
You are denying reality, basically.

 No.1280869

>>1280865
Internet made people schizos, you can just choose your little schizo bubble and say x country you don't like will collapse any day and is a paper tiger now, algorithm powered infinite confirmation bias recursion

 No.1280871

>>1280865
idk do hollywood movies do well internationally outside of the panda kung fu flicks?

 No.1280873

>>1280871
Yeah pretty well. A lot of times the gross from China is bigger than the USA.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adambvary/hollywood-movies-that-have-made-more-in-china-2017

 No.1280881

>>1280857
no you cant, because it's not real words.

 No.1280884

>>1280853
>Israel herself is still refusing to arm Azov iirc
wrong again, kraut! they've been arming them for a while.
https://imemc.org/article/israel-is-arming-ukraines-blatantly-neo-nazi-militia-the-azov-battalion/
Israel Is Arming Ukraine’s Blatantly Neo-Nazi Militia, the Azov Battalion

 No.1280885


 No.1280888

>>1280881
turn off your PC, Rubber Feelix, you're drunk

 No.1280889

File: 1669399093673-1.jpg (362.73 KB, 1920x1430, 8UieCTa1PtQ.jpg)

This is so sad can we hit Kiev with a FAB-5000?

Another burgershit departs to Hell to gargle Bandera's piss for eternity…

 No.1280910

>>1280871
Absolutely. Netflix is also very popular outside the US, and all the TV series of HBO and Amazon Prime, etc.
>>1280889
Isn't that a Palestinian scarf?

 No.1280913

>>1280910
>Isn't that a Palestinian scarf?
You mean a shemagh? Many Arab countries have similar scarves.

 No.1280928

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 No.1280932

>>1280928
>Russia denazifying the world
Inshallah

 No.1280937

>>1280624
source, cabbage-head

 No.1280939

maybe i've contracted brainworms but i half wish there was a ""pro-NATO"" general thread. "stopped reading here" yeah real original reply. neck yourself.
50% as a place for devil's advocates to hone their skills by arguing things they don't necessarily believe until their opponents learn to ditch cliches and shibboleths for stronger analysis, 30% because its existence would act as a guard against mods and users taking foreign policy too seriously. (since worst case scenario you just get booted back over the berlin wall to /nato/, rather than outright banned.), and 20% because it would result in a more clear identification of certain viewpoints as pro-NATO, which will naturally result in their scorn, rather than leaving an opening for people to smuggle in "critical support for NATO against NATO imperialism" nonsense.

i don't think it would work in practice because we neither have enough contrarians, nor enough self-consciously pro-NATO people to keep it going. I've got the contrarianism, but as you can tell I'm antipathetic to foreign policy on most days.

 No.1280941

>>1280939
Mods created one like 2 months ago or so. It didn't last until the second iteration because all the natoids kept coming here to troll vatniks instead and didn't actually have an interest in talking among themselves. Who coulda seen that coming.

 No.1280944

>>1280928
why do they have the dirlewagner emblem twice?

 No.1280946

anyway i was thinking, has there ever been a traitor on par with Cucktin?

at least Vlasov wanted to create a Russian nation from the ashes, Cucktin has already killed more Russians than hitler and is eagerly dismantling their nation again.

 No.1280948

Because America is the fourth reich . The sooner you trots and anarchists get that though your privileged skull the better

 No.1280949

File: 1669403284562.jpeg (65.58 KB, 720x405, scale_1200.jpeg)

Putin just admitted that Minsk was a mistake and Russia should have probably invaded in 2014 during a meeting with soldiers' mothers. Is that, dare I say, the beginning of decuckification?

 No.1280950

>>1280946
Um, Gorbachev and Yeltsin?

 No.1280951

>>1280949
Putin will find a way to cuck out anyway

 No.1280953

>>1280745
lmao this makes no sense. Good book though, even better irl backstory

 No.1280954

American Anarchists went over and fought with these guys to stop “ fascism “ lol give me a break

 No.1280956

>>1280954
looks like a pair of crossed WWII era German hand grenades, 'potato mashers'. What does this have to do with le anarkiddies

 No.1280958

>>1280949
well this allowed Russia to prepare, too. but who knows.

 No.1280959


 No.1280960

>>1280889
>>1280954
>>1280928
Is this throwback Thursday?

>Nov 4

He's been dead for weeks.

 No.1280962

File: 1669403770800.png (800.5 KB, 575x831, ClipboardImage.png)

No lights Kiev looks pretty dystopian kino.

 No.1280963

File: 1669403815295-0.mp4 (543.44 KB, 464x848, 16693901348740.mp4)

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File: 1669403815295-2.mp4 (2.32 MB, 592x1088, 16693944403060.mp4)

File: 1669403815295-3.mp4 (795.68 KB, 352x640, 16693806369551.mp4)

Gotta say watching ukrainians waking up to harsh reality that differs massively from their propaganda virtuality is hilarious as much as i hate to admit it.
>reminder that some of them still believe they're winning this

 No.1280966

>>1280962
rare kino opportunity for moviemaking

 No.1280970

>>1280963
It is actually sad that it has come to this.
I dunno. Just an example of what quality propaganda can do to people i guess? That they stop thinking?

 No.1280972

>>1280970
Common people think Russia has attacked their country and that they should fight back while enduring hardships.

 No.1280976

>>1280950
and who was Yeltsin's most loyal soldier and hand picked successor?

without Cucktin, there is no Yeltsin. without Yeltsin, there is no Cucktin.

 No.1280978

>>1280972
The issue is that they don't ask the question "why?".
They see reasons as irrelevant, unimportant, the media usually heavily pressures feelings not logic. And it's disgusting.

 No.1280979

>>1280976
furthermore, who was it who consolidated and legitimized the gangsters who stole the USSR out from under it's people (with Cucktin's help)

the answer. C. C. Cucktin

 No.1280983

>>1280979
C. C. Cucktin could have stopped these "people" at any time in 30 years, he did not, he supported them in every possible way.

even Jeffery Epstein would be nowhere without the services of a certain KGB Cuck who stole the name of Comrade Lenin.

 No.1280991

i seriously cannot understand why you all, so called "leftists" just totally ignore what Cucktin was doing from 1991 to 2001, and moreover, who he was doing it for. you just cover your eyes and pretend that a man who looted Russia harder than Goering is somehow the second coming of Comrade Stalin.

 No.1280992

>>1280983
>>1280991
Putin was a literally who during shock therapy tbh

 No.1280993

>>1280991
>>1280979
>>1280983
the seething is hard in this one

 No.1280994

>>1280992
Yeah, he just, you know, advocated for a pinochet style dictatorship to german businessmen in 93 while being mayor of the second largest Russian city, a nobody for sure.
https://www.nd-aktuell.de/artikel/461493.pinochet-als-vorbild.html

 No.1280998

someone's having another meltdown

 No.1280999

>>1280992
cucktin was such an insignificant figure that he was hand picked to run the country by Yeltsin. Before that, Cucktin was hand picked to rule by the man who wrote Yeltsin's constitution and literally invented shock therapy (or did you think the retard Yeltsin actually came up with it?) and you would know this if you had any genuine analysis.

sadly, 99% of leftists have only asthetics, no analysis.

 No.1281000

File: 1669405388571.jpg (Spoiler Image, 286.21 KB, 1200x717, 1200-462633-470010079.jpg)

Putin wrecked the world harder than the meteorites that caused the dino's extinction and you lefties treat him as he was the second coming of Fred Flintstone. Yaba fucking daba doo.

 No.1281003

>>1280994
they don't care, they just love Cucktin because they're contrarians.

 No.1281004

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 No.1281006

File: 1669405529448.png (1.39 MB, 960x724, bennin.png)

>>1280998
feel free to dispute anything i've written.

you can't, because it's all objectively true, but you are welcome to try any time you like.

 No.1281008

File: 1669405653091.gif (2.48 MB, 498x376, monkey-card.gif)


 No.1281009

>>1280972
this kind of fact, if true, makes one VERY cynical about the power of media, communication, language, intelligence etc.
>>1280959
my apologies, I was (dumbly) under the impression that the person in the pic was supposed to be an American anarchist.
>>1281006
still one of my favorite edits, complete with 'undialectical'.

 No.1281010

>>1281006
why do you dox yourself and post unhinged shit

is this a false flag

 No.1281013

File: 1669405800899.png (730.37 KB, 634x667, maoses.png)

>>1281000
over 5 million Russians died as a direct result of the policies implemented by C. C. Cucktin.

that is not even to mention the countless millions kidnapped, enslaved, and often sexually trafficked all around the world by Cucktin's friends and allies.

Cucktin actually managed to enslave more Russians than Hitler did.

>>1281010
in the "mind" of a liberal the truth is the most unhinged thing imaginable.

 No.1281015

>>1281013
>Cucktin actually managed to enslave more Russians than Hitler did.
kys retard.

 No.1281018

File: 1669406021989.jpg (78.44 KB, 720x624, brezhnev.jpg)

>>1281015
damn what a retort.

i would tell you to do it first but frankly even that is far more effort than an insect is worth.

 No.1281020

>>1281013
such schizophrenia lmao

 No.1281022

>>1280963
So fucking depressing.

 No.1281024

File: 1669406206602.png (645.17 KB, 512x512, Buildingcommunism.png)

>>1281020
ngl it's pretty funny to see your flesh sizzle like a vampire caught in the sunshine every time you hear the truth.

you are nothing more than a fascist with left wing aesthetics.

 No.1281025

>>1281013
sounds like a (you) problem for uncritically supporting putler in the first place. war isn't based or cool

 No.1281027

>>1281009
>this kind of fact, if true, makes one VERY cynical about the power of media, communication, language, intelligence etc.
It's true, just look at this thread and the number of people who just take whatever RT and pro russian twitter accounts say at face value.

 No.1281029

>>1280963
I want to see the typical casserole protest typical of cia backed color revolution going there.

 No.1281032

File: 1669406425753.jpg (103.34 KB, 686x915, pavlichenko.jpg)

>>1281025
Fascism must be destroyed whenever it emerges with the absolute maximum possible level of violence. As long as even one fascist remains alive on earth, we will never be safe.

Therefore, anti-fascist wars are objectively correct and ethically justified in any and all cases. The only thing wrong is not using every possible weapon to end them ASAP.

 No.1281033

File: 1669406534095.gif (4.65 KB, 432x216, pobedy.gif)

>>1281032
in other words, Cucktin's mistake was not starting the war, Cucktin's mistake is not finishing it by any means necessary.

 No.1281035

>>1280949
>implying cucktin the soft-hearted can change his ways
too late anyway

 No.1281040

File: 1669406686196.jpg (203.94 KB, 900x736, ruiko saten smug 2.jpg)

>>1281013
>Cucktin actually managed to enslave more Russians than Hitler did.
>but I still masturbate and cumtribute to a picture of him
terminally ill channer poster in his late stage

 No.1281041

File: 1669406735871.gif (15.32 KB, 300x400, fiveaces.gif)

>>1281035
again these waffentwerps totally ignore the past 40 years of Cucktin's life and think he's some great anti-fascist crusader instead of a more cowardly Vlasov.

this is absolutely intentional, they are rightists who co-opt the aesthetics of the left without understand what any of it means.

>>1281040
i keep my word, unlike cucktin.

 No.1281042

>>1281040
only true multipolaristas would cumtribute putin natoid

 No.1281044

File: 1669406853170.png (142.52 KB, 480x360, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1281040
support your local namefag, lolcows like these provide bright entertaiment in such dark times

 No.1281045


 No.1281051

File: 1669407145630.jpg (61.17 KB, 552x680, hoesmad.jpg)

>>1281041
TBH I got high and made a joke and since the mods threatened to ban me I went through with it.

This gives me more integrity than any member of United Russia, or really, all of them combined.

 No.1281054

>>1281027
>It's true, just look at this thread and the number of people who just take whatever RT and pro russian twitter accounts say at face value.
they don't, you're just butthurt it's not equated with western mainstream media
>>1280994
putin was never a mayor, and he was indeed a nobody in the 90s. putin's relationship to the post-soviet transition is very straightforward - he froze it. arguably that is the basis for the ukraine crisis, the west and europe had one policy of regime change for ukraine and russia however the latter obstructed it. thus when putin returned in 2012, which the US warned against, so did it get to work on exploiting ukraine's EU negotiations to push for a color revolution against the electoral overturning of ukraine's orange revolution. as nationalism in ukraine was used to accelerate the transition, this put russians in ukraine in a state resembling the national question.

 No.1281055

>>1281033
You seem confused. Chechnya took 10+ years. Syria is 10+ years and still going. You say "by any means necessary" then are critical of sacrificing life, what did you expect from a capitalist? If they nuked Kiev on day one would India still be buying Russian gas? Would they still be able to produce new missiles and artillery with no world trade?

 No.1281056

File: 1669407516558.png (71.32 KB, 263x191, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1281055
im inclined to believe this uygha only looks at this war as fucking entertainment, something to get dopamine rushes off, thats why the retard cannot stand having nothing happen for weeks on end on a war that has only lasted less than a year at this point
very sad existence

 No.1281058

File: 1669407659726.jpg (80.18 KB, 800x542, HitlerNapoleon.jpg)

>>1281054
cucktin "froze" the transition by legitimizing all the bandits who robbed the soviet people to death and building an entire state apparatus to protect them.

>>1281055
i am critical of trading the lives of Russian civilians and soldiers en masse to preserve the "lives" of seig heiling nazis.

Cucktin, on the other hand, is very much for that. every russian tortured and murdered may as well have died at the hands of Cucktin, although I doubt he has the courage of his nazi pals.

 No.1281060

>>1281044
he needs a vacation of 3 or 6 months or a sabbatical year.

 No.1281062

>>1281060
Tbh I think we all do

 No.1281064

>>1281060
he needs mental help tbh

 No.1281066

File: 1669407922550.jpg (1.95 MB, 2730x4096, AnarKKKists.jpg)

>>1281056
if you had any idea what these fascist animals are doing to the people of dontesk and luhansk you'd support their complete destruction ASAP and by any means necessary. every day they "live", they kill people, and the ONLY time they will stop is when they die.

or maybe you do know, and don't care?

 No.1281067

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 No.1281069

>>1281055
just ignore his hysterics. if the Ukraine crisis has to come to war at all, especially after the crisis of globalization exploded Ukraine and Syria, you should prefer that it's led by cucks who approach it carefully. this is already more dangerous than the last cold war, and fighting some total war iron felix fantasizes about is a quick way to undo russia's position. russia is based on a careful balance completely absent in the imperialist countries, which are in such an utter crisis that they're going all out
>>1281058
>cucktin "froze" the transition by legitimizing all the bandits who robbed the soviet people to death and building an entire state apparatus to protect them.
cucktin froze the transition by abandoning liberalization, suppressing inter-oligarch conflict exploited by the imperialists, and instead taking a bonapartist direction
ukraine shows what the conclusion of that transition is like, a colonial alliance of liberals and nationalists to revise the periphery of europe into something that complements it so the region can be part of globalization

 No.1281070

File: 1669408110739.png (718.52 KB, 1200x1200, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1281066
>you'd support their complete destruction ASAP and by any means necessary.
idealism, bla bla bla, go back and masturbate to putin's photo again, you were funnier when you werent a whiny faggot.

 No.1281072

i feel like the mods should ban felix for a month so he could recover

 No.1281074

File: 1669408202114.jpg (259.02 KB, 1200x1200, chadmao.jpg)

>>1281070
it must be hard for you little liberal babies to encounter someone with genuine conviction in Marxism-Leninism.

 No.1281075

>>1281074
you have no fucking conviction otherwise you wouldn't waste as many hours arguing with people as you do, you effete bitch.

 No.1281076

>>1281058
>Cucktin, on the other hand, is very much for that.
the only reason you would be angry is if you ever thought it would be any different. russia is winning in optics with 2/3 of the planet while depleting all of nato stockpiles. you cant win for multipolarity if you shock and awe your trade partners with unprovoked escalation. instead he is methodically exposing ukraine and nato to the world turning public opinion against them

i've already posted attrition analysis at you like 5 times and you ignore it in favor of emotional outrage. hypernormalization + meat grinder has always been the plan and it always looks terrible

 No.1281077

>>1281069
>and fighting some total war iron felix fantasizes about is a quick way to undo russia's position.
this should be an easy concept to understand but we have to make this shit fun to watch somehow, as if thats the most important thing and not yknow
winning the fucking war

 No.1281079

>>1281055
Chechnya and Syria were both against guerrillas. This is against (still sorta) a state army, even if it's been severely depleted in equipment. It's quite valid to think the Russians should be fucking them up more when they have the capability. They're fighting this war with one hand tied behind their back, even taking into account the corrupt racketeering generals sucking up all the military budget and leaving them with rusting Soviet hand-me-downs.

 No.1281080

>>1281075
i do more every day to advance the cause of marxism-lenimism than you have ever done in your life, because i am a genuine marxist-leninist and you are nothing more than a fascist in a costume.

when we win, "people" like you will be the first against the wall.

>>1281076
yeah i ignore the stupid shit you post, you may as well just take pics of your shit stained toilet paper, you could probably divine more truth from that.

ameriKKKa sustained two wars, both of which ware far larger in magnitude than ukraine, for 20 years. this is less than 1% of what America can provide and Russia is STILL being decisively crushed and has ceded more territory than several NATO member states control.

post your dumb shit and jack off to your KD/R all you like, it does not change the fact that Russia lost this war in February.

>>1281077
undoing the position of the fascist bandits who destroyed the USSR and murdered millions of it's people is objectively good.

>>1281079
no that is implying the Russians are fighting at all, they are not.

 No.1281081

>>1281066
>you'd support their complete destruction ASAP
this isn't how russia operates. they always give their enemy a false sense of confidence to draw them out, create conditions for radicalization to identify dissidents and manage public perception. the same slow grind that is upsetting you is giving him unlimited domestic support

 No.1281082

>>1281080
maybe you should read up on economics and drop the idealism. nato has no productive forces their gdp is fake trading ious back and forth while russia increases steel output by 20x

 No.1281083

>>1281079
>They're fighting this war with one hand tied behind their back
This is cope, the Russian army is just incapable of winning, they tried a lot of things but nothing really worked and that's why they now are at scrapping their entire pre-war military production planning, bombing civilian infrastructure, and mobilizing more and more.

 No.1281085

>>1281080
>undoing the position of the fascist bandits who destroyed the USSR and murdered millions of it's people is objectively good.
absent a socialist revolution there is no grand war to stop this, instead it depends on the formation of a new and more diverse international order. russia can quickly sabotage this if it fights a total war.

 No.1281087

File: 1669409346607.jpg (112.39 KB, 490x368, pedal-olpc.jpg)

>>1281083
Posted from my pedal-powered laptop btw

 No.1281088

>>1281082
the US alone dropped more bombs on Baghdad in one night than Russia has dropped on Russia in this entire war.

they did this twice, both in 1991 and 2003, and then maintained this tempo of bombardment 24/7/365 for TWENTY YEARS. the lightest day in the entire iraq war still had more than 5x the number of sorties every day than russia has managed at all during this war.

america can build one thing, and that is weapons. you seriously underestimate the magnitude of what AmeriKKKa did in iraq and afghanistan, and even that was only a fraction of their capabilities.

>>1281083
no army can win when they're consistently outnumbered 10:1. the Russian soldiers have fought very well, but Cucktin cares more about the Ukranian soldiers and so consistently hamstrings his own army. it's astonishing and without precedent in history IMO.

>>1281085
yeah and russia can sabotage it even worse when it loses this "SMO", which it already did 9 months ago.

 No.1281090

>>1281088
>the US alone dropped more bombs on Baghdad in one night than Russia has dropped on Russia in this entire war.
well, that's a good thing.

 No.1281091

>>1281088
you overestimate
those were stockpiles, now depleted
they don't even have the technology to make more. the companies have gone out of business and the machine dies have been melted down for scrap and the ip schematics are gone. that is what happens when your industry is centered on profit over defense

 No.1281093

>>1281088
>yeah and russia can sabotage it even worse when it loses this "SMO", which it already did 9 months ago.
Russia will never 'lose', once Russia entered Ukraine we entered an endgame scenario for this crisis. There is no driving them out.

 No.1281098

File: 1669410030141.gif (1.77 MB, 304x304, kkkillary.gif)


>>1281091
lmao no, AmeriKKKa gives Israel and Saudi Arabia more bombs every year than Russia has dropped on Ukraine. trust me, they are nowhere near tapped out.

the IAF manages to carry out a much higher operational tempo than the VMF does too lmao.

>>1281093
Russia lost on February 24th, 2022 when they invaded with a force at a minimum of 20x too small to accomplish any of their stated objectives.

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>>1281080
>i do more every day to advance the cause of marxism-lenimism than you have ever done in your life

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>>1281091
The US stockpiles of surplus javelin and 155mm shells are very low, that's it, they still keep a lot for themselves, they'll just ramp up production and make their allies give some. Meanwhile Russia lost thousands upon thousands of tanks and APCs so the weapons they produced had exactly the desired effect.

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>>1281080
dear god the larp

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>>1281088
>the US alone dropped more bombs on Baghdad in one night than Russia has dropped on Russia in this entire war.
>they did this twice, both in 1991 and 2003, and then maintained this tempo of bombardment 24/7/365 for TWENTY YEARS. the lightest day in the entire iraq war still had more than 5x the number of sorties every day than russia has managed at all during this war.
>america can build one thing, and that is weapons. you seriously underestimate the magnitude of what AmeriKKKa did in iraq and afghanistan, and even that was only a fraction of their capabilities.
this is also misleading, the war is being fought with artillery. not air-dropped bombs.
>>1281101
>The US stockpiles of surplus javelin and 155mm shells are very low, that's it, they still keep a lot for themselves, they'll just ramp up production and make their allies give some.
yea that's not how it works. western militaries have deconstructed themselves after the cold war and function as colonial police fighting irregular wars, only within the last few years did they decide to get ready for 'near peer' conflict.

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>>1281111
the logistical tail for each bomb is orders of magnitude larger than each artillery shell so this isn't exactly the argument you think it is. one sortie of aircraft probably consumes more supply than divisional artillery does in a week.

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>>1281113
iron felix did you seriously call ak 47 poster, the other poster that criticizes russia for simmilar reasons you do, as a fascist

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>>1281113
the USAF alone would easily consume more supply in one week in Iraq than the entirety of the Russian military has in Ukraine. that's the magnitude of the difference here.

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>>1281113
>one sortie of aircraft probably consumes more supply than divisional artillery does in a week.
this is irrelevant unless you believe we can just switch abstracted idea of supply production from air bombs to artillery and therefore compare US sorties to Russian artillery
in reality russians are firing in a few days what we used in the entire iraq war. they were also never going to match the air power of the US over Iraq, whereas Ukraine has Soviet era air defense and NATO assistance

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>>1281114
no i called him a liberal which is even worse

 No.1281123

>>1281111
You're clueless, each western nation has its own military production and doctrine following its environment and contingencies, so yeah countries like France focus on expeditionary forces to keep order in Africa while maintaining SNLE for dissuasion, but South Korea has a military set up to do war with North Korea, and America has what it takes to do invasions and fight proxy wars with emphasis on air superiority etc. The reason western countries are changing production a little now is because Russia could now realistically gear up for a total war, or spread conflicts elsewhere.
Btw Russia is not a near peer for the US but China will be in a decade maybe.

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>>1281119
im talking about sheer logistical capability, which Russia does not have and that is why they invaded with 3 platoons of troops and still don't have anywhere near enough.

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>>1281120
>i do more every day to advance the cause of marxism-lenimism than you have ever done in your life, because i am a genuine marxist-leninist and you are nothing more than a fascist in a costume.

>when we win, "people" like you will be the first against the wall.


breh

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>>1281124
it obviously doesn't matter how many shells russia can fire when Ukraine can literally take land so fast their trucks break down without firing a shot because Russia does not have enough soldiers to defend it.

Ukraine doesn't need all this shit you think they do, 40 year old men in pickups have defeated the Russian army on every front for months.

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>>1281126
what do you think a liberal is, exactly?

 No.1281129

>Kharkiv Mayor Igor Terekhov admitted that the vast majority of the city's residents speak Russian, and said that he would continue to address them in Russian, despite the fine that the Ukrainian authorities imposed on him for these actions
Trouble in paradise?

 No.1281130

>>1281123
>You're clueless, each western nation has its own military production and doctrine following its environment and contingencies, so yeah countries like France focus on expeditionary forces to keep order in Africa while maintaining SNLE for dissuasion, but South Korea has a military set up to do war with North Korea, and America has what it takes to do invasions and fight proxy wars with emphasis on air superiority etc.

Nobody cares about European armies. The US is not equipped for a conventional war because we did not maintain that capacity, we build tall. What we focused on was projecting global power to establish deterrence. We are not able to sustain a conventional war with near peer rivals, and yes Russia is considered one by the Pentagon.

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>>1280702
Putin is the one that put up US to profiteer, you know.

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>>1281088
>the US alone dropped more bombs on Baghdad in one night than Russia has dropped on Russia in this entire war.
I'm assuming that Russia has dropped zero bombs on it self, so that claim would be true if the US dropped one bomb.

Russia has been doing missile strikes in Ukraine between 30 and 300 per day (though not every day, they do the strikes in a stop and go tactic) , i'm guessing well over 30.000 in total. (that's big sophisticated rockets with a guidance system and a sizeable warhead, not counting small artillery rockets from multiple rocket launchers). The Russians also have been using large scale artillery peaking at 70k shells per day. Small suicide drones were also used in quantities.

>america can build one thing, and that is weapons.

The war in Ukraine is large scale industrial warfare. At the moment NATO/US does not have military production that can keep up with this kind of warfare. The US and NATO countries were running down stockpiles just to resupply Ukraine. The US military machine is configured to fight small super high-end battles or do drone strikes against countries without serious anti-air defenses. (they call this a high-low configuration) The US hasn't fought a peer power in a long time, it would need to re-industrialize and redesign it's weapons-system for mass-production before it can do industrial scale warfare again.

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>>1281139
Cringe strawman, no one supports Russia because they think Putin is le stalin

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Radhika Desai, a left wing political scientist at the University of Manitoba, is junglepilled as fuck. Check out her take on multipolarity

https://twitter.com/afromaterialism/status/1596253331760054272

The Sino-Russian alliances makes up an anti-imperialist core of the emergent economies, which are coalescing around BRICS as an alternative to the G7 advanced capitalist states

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>>1281139
>YOU LIKE PUTIN BECAUSE
I wonder what the day when I stop being a white wall for projectors will look like.

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>>1281114
there's at least two people who post with the AK flag

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>>1281142
I can't answer that, but I guarantee you it will end the
>YOU LIKE PUTIN BECAUSE
when u.s. does to taiwan what did to kekraine, and it will shift to
>YOU LIKE Xi or whatever another CPC leader is in charge in the future BECAUSE
You are warned!

 No.1281147

>>1281136
america dropped 30,000 bombs on Iraq in 2003 alone.

in 20 years of sorties, america dropped 300,000 bombs.

this is only bombs, however. America also fired 2000 tomahawks in the same time.

this does not account for the other coalition members either.

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>>1281142
>>1281140
I think it was meant to be a comment on how the Russian government will opportunistically pander to both left and right.

 No.1281151

>>1281127
>winning is when the map turns blue

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>>1281141
heres another anti-imperialist scholar btw

 No.1281153

>>1281130
Conventional war with near peer rivals at US level would mean nuclear war but let's say it doesn't, the US would still have near total air superiority against China or Russia, so why would they need billions of artillery shells and millions of javelins? The US needs more shells right now, because a near peer conventional war that is fought, in terms of pure military might that is, is the Russo Ukraine conflict, where no side can do sustained breakthroughs or accomplish air superiority.

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>>1281147
>2000 tomahawks
802+

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>>1281153
>near total air superiority against China or Russia

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>>1281149
Russia panders to the left by celebrating USSR history and it panders to the right by… cracking down on Nazis and embracing multi-ethnic federalism. You're a fucking retard sabo. Radlibism is your true nature, not matter how much you pretend otherwise.

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>>1281154
that is only Iraq, America was also at war with several other nations during the same time.

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>>1281160
which enormously complicates logistics btw

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>>1281153
>Conventional war with near peer rivals at US level would mean nuclear war but let's say it doesn't, the US would still have near total air superiority against China or Russia, so why would they need billions of artillery shells and millions of javelins?
You're right to point out air (and naval) superiority substituted for those kinds of weapons. That, mixed with the collapse of conventional enemies, is why we focused on them to establish a global form of deterrence. However, this isn't the 1990s anymore. The Russians and Chinese have the weapons to sink the US navy and shoot the US air force out of the sky. We have to build up those old capacities again to face them. In the meantime, we are top heavy.

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>>1281158
rightism isn't limited to nazis

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>>1281156
The US didn't invest almost all of their budgets in stealth drones/planes for fun, China has a J22 as an operational plane but it pales in comparison of F22, F35s which can't be detected by S-400. Besides Russia is putting on hold all its newer stuff because they are redirecting resources and can't even reliably produce them in the first place or high tech soviet 80s tech for that matter, can't make Tu 160s while the US will unveil their B21 in a few weeks

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>>1281152
Do you have the full vid for this?

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>>1281147
that's 2,000 tomahawks across the entire history of the weapon

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>>1281165
homie the iraq war lasted over 20 years

 No.1281176

Ben Norton has been doing great coverage of ukrainian related topics.
Like the AP "journo" fired, and the new Germany re-militarization.

<German military preparing for a potential war with Russia

https://odysee.com/@multipolarista:4/german-military-preparing-for-potential:9
<Media regurgitates fake news from US spies, risking WWIII with Russia
https://odysee.com/@multipolarista:4/media-regurgitates-fake-news-from-us:5

The left is the one in Germany rejecting the bill in the german parliament, by the way.

 No.1281177

>>1281169
>F35s which can't be detected by S-400
Source?

So assured of US technological superiority, it's like I'm talking to King Lear again.

 No.1281178

>>1281166
Wow so compelling argument. The only way you can say Russia panders to the right is making LGBT propaganda illegal which is basically nothing. Every single NATO government panders more to the right than Russia does.

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>>1281175
what he's trying to do is show you are full of shit.
U.S. used fewer 'intelligent bombs' or cruise missiles than it did with regular 'dumb' bombs.

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>>1281175
Are you accusing USA of using twice the number of missiles than reported?

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>>1281177
https://uawire.org/media-russian-s-300-and-s-400-air-defense-systems-unable-to-detect-israeli-warplanes-flying-over-syria
That said, they can detect them once the bomb bay doors are open, so it will take cold blooded SAM operators to fire a shot before they scram for their lives

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>>1281139
>>1281166
When England sucks off their royals(who still live and have power over them):
>It's their culture, it's tradition, it's beautiful, spirit of the nation!

Putin lays some flowers at the statue of some dead family:
>OHH MY GODDD YOU DID A HECKKKIN RIGHTISM!

 No.1281187

>>1281158
>Russia panders to the left by celebrating USSR history and it panders to the right by…
Building statues of Tsars, cozying up to the Orthodox church, talking about how the Bolshevik leadership was "predominantly Jewish," complaining about Satanic gays, etc. If you can't see reactionary elements in Putin's rhetoric then you're deliberately trying not to see it.

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>>1281187
Those are your examples? I love how you went out of your way to make fucking statues and the church sinister. Like I said, every single NATO government.

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>>1281184
So one will say they failed, another will say Cucktin let Israelis bomb Syria, and then another will say that Israel is a fascist ethno-state that often lies and uses civilian planes for cover.

Who should I believe?

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>>1281186
The British monarchy is rightism too but at least nobody pretends their supporters are based and anti-imperialist

 No.1281194

>>1281190
>I love how you went out of your way to make fucking statues and the church sinister.
Are you seriously going to try to argue that shilling for the Romanovs isn't a reactionary element in Putin's rhetoric and ideology?
>every single NATO government
Which is of zero relevance to my point since I never denied that NATO governments were reactionary.

 No.1281195

>>1281183
it's good to compare the use of MK-I, II, III and Mk82, old GBUs, etc. and bombs vs. tomahawks (and compare the active load) during Iraq 2003-20XX (they haven't left)

 No.1281196

stealth does not work and never has and thinking about what radar can detect what plane shows you have no idea how actual war works.

stealth, first and foremost, only works in ideal weather conditions, and secondly all stealth aircraft require climate controlled hangars and exhaustive maintenance. disrupting that in any way renders them all useless.

you don't need to bother defeating the F-35 itself, just shoot it's hangars and it cannot operate. or shoot down the tankers or AWACS it needs to work. or hit the runways, as it cannot operate with anything but a perfect one.

 No.1281197

I'm a little curious why large amounts of networked, inexpensive digital cameras aren't used as anti-stealth-aircraft perimeter defense systems.

 No.1281200

>>1281197
>cameras
If it's in visual range, it's already too late.

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>>1281193
She had some good jam recipes tho.

 No.1281202

>>1281192

israel makes it very clear that if you shoot down any of their planes they will escalate to a full and total war so no one does it.

israeli F-16s have done exactly the same things as the F-35s (worth pointing out that F-16s also did the same things as F-117s in the gulf war) and no one says shit.

israel gets away with it because israel is an absolutely insane fascist nightmare state that 100% would nuke anyone who ever even remotely threatened it.

 No.1281203

>>1281194
I fucking love Putin's shilling for the Romanovs. Every day I watch his speeches where he shills for the royal family. That's sarcasm btw. No such speeches exist. Putin doesn't give a fuck about Romanovs. You're literally pulling it out of your ass because you want to hate Russia so much. Your own government is much more to the right, admit it you worthless canuck russophobe.

 No.1281205

>>1281200
You can set up cameras well beyond where your positions actually are, though.

 No.1281206

>>1280844
Wait! 90% of Ukrainians support joining to EU? That can't be right

 No.1281209

>>1281179
>>1281171
>>1281152
Rania Khalek is good btw.

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>>1281203
>Putin doesn't give a fuck about Romanovs
Here's a pic of him unveiling a statue of Tsar Alexander III.
>You're literally pulling it out of your ass because you want to hate Russia so much
I don't hate Russia and I want them to win the war.
>Your own government is much more to the right
Correct, and I never said otherwise. Still doesn't change the fact that Putin panders to the right both in Russia and abroad.

 No.1281211

>>1281197
Unreliable. What if there are clouds? what if there are birds and the perspective makes you think that's a missile or plane?
You have to rely on the good ol' radiofrequency or electromagnetic frequency waves sent to the object, wait to have a reflection and catch them with your antenna. What has changed in sophistication is the type of waveforms and the processing capabilities of the CPU that can differentiate a drone from a dove or a loitering drone from a vulture.

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 No.1281219

You guys know stealth doesn't mean you're invisible on radar right?

https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/americas-enemies-can-track-stealth-fighters-on-radar-and-it-isnt-a-problem/


Stealth fighters like America’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and F-22 Raptor are often touted as being “invisible on radar,” but they’re actually not invisible at all. In fact, all of today’s modern stealth fighters, including China’s J-20 and Russia’s Su-57, are pretty easy to spot on even dated early warning systems that have been in service for decades.

Stealth designs minimize an aircraft’s radar signature, delaying and sometimes even preventing detection, but because of the physical requirements for tactical jets, stealth fighters can be easily spotted by certain low-frequency radar bands.

In fact, it’s not even uncommon for air traffic control radar to be able to spot stealth fighters on their scopes. And we’re not just talking about when these aircraft are carrying external munitions or fuel tanks, rather, even in full-on “stealth mode,” F-22s and F-35s aren’t as sneaky as you might think.

But they are very tough to shoot down.

 No.1281220

>>1281206
Kek, yes, and they are willing to live with no gas, no water, no electricity, through a long winter that decided to start earlier, and her sample size was the presidential palace.

 No.1281224

>>1281219
correct, stealh is just a stretched word to say they are harder to detect, and tracked by AA systems. but at the end of the day, no plane is stealthy to cross a very well-guarded sky.

 No.1281225

>>1281211
No system is 100% reliable and you shouldn't rely 100% on any system. You would drop it as a preliminary and backup. Radar hasn't been completely reliable either, for that matter.

 No.1281226

>>1281224
Yeah and just pointing out that it's not a problem of detecting the presence of stealth aircraft, it's a matter of not being able to adequately target them which cameras won't help.

 No.1281228

>>1281158
Russia does appeal to the populist right. The reason it does this is because liberal unipolarity was either arrogant/stupid or in crisis enough to alienate its petit-bourgeois enforcers as part of globalizing the struggle to preserve the rule of advanced states as the crisis of America and Europe merged. That's part of a wider change in the capitalist world system from Western civilization-centered to liberal international order-centered, an update needed for globalization which the nationalist right has pretty much given up on because it's not enfranchised like it was by the rule of Western over non-Western. In fact, it doesn't feel like it's on the right side of the newer core-periphery relation at all. The infighting in the ruling class that unfolded as a result of this has been of benefit to Russia and, frankly, a lot of the periphery because the empire is dividing itself.

 No.1281240

>>1281225
yeah, but using a "network of cameras" is unreliable to the point of being useless. first, not all cameras are within a network per se. cameras from individuals are in a closed circuit, like a local area network. and even if they are connected somehow to the same router that the owner uses for the internet (like a modem-router or modem-AP) it wouldn't be physically impossible to get them connected.
now companies have also issues with privacy, and they can't grant access to anyone else, and even if you do that, you'd have to have a processing center to pick the visual, on time. imagine the room how many people it would require to process every single CCTV in a country to detect fighters, and planes… and you can't rely on IA processing for the same reason you see electrical self-driving cars ramming over people in different cities around people.
and that's without the trouble I mentioned with the visual perspective and clouds.

 No.1281244

>>1281240
>it wouldn't be physically impossible to get them connected.
I meant
<it would be physically impossible to get them connected.
because these are not in the same electronic circuitry even within the same CPB.

 No.1281251

>>1281139
Stalin was essentially a Tsar and more of a Tsar than Nikolai II was.

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>>1279927
>like i said, WW3 is going to be a war where everyone is dabbing on each other all the time over everything.

 No.1281271

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>>1281264
We're all sons of memers

 No.1281273

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>>1281272

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>>1281273
wow, the mods are being fast in cleaning kl stuff, I couldn't even see it, kek.
hey, king skitzo, take your meds if you are reading this.

 No.1281275

>>1281240
what the hell are you talking about
I don't mean literally using people's camera phones from, like, normal people lmao

 No.1281276

>>1281275
I never said phone cameras, I inferred you were talking about CCTV cameras.

 No.1281278

Which is a more progressive force in the world Russia or China? You can only choose one, if you don't then you're a western imperialist.

 No.1281279

>>1281278
Neither, because it's a meme term made up by Baizuos.

 No.1281282

>When the history is written about the current war in Ukraine, the economic fallout will be seen as one of the critical determining factors. The West grossly miscalculated that Russian sanctions would create sufficient stress and pressure among the Russian population to force Vladimir Putin out of power.

>In fact, all of Europe is facing an escalating collapse of economic activity. The deadly mix of rising unemployment and inflation will force the European governments to make hard, wildly unpopular policy choices.


>Do you think that Europe can sustain its current policy of continuing to fund Ukraine? Ukraine’s ability to sustain military operations is diminished, in part, because the United States does not have unlimited weapons and ammunition to sustain them.


>Tough talk and promises of continued support to Ukraine cannot reverse the reality of the West’s limited ability to continue to pour scarce resources into Kiev’s black hole. At some point, reality will compel authorities to dispense with the propaganda and try to figure out how to placate angry workers amid a contracting economy.


https://sonar21.com/russia-is-winning-the-economic-war/

 No.1281285

>>1281219
So stealth system is just a more spectacular word for Camouflage ?

 No.1281286

>The Pentagon is clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel.

>NASMAS is an air defense systems that uses re-purposed air to air missiles (active radar homing AIM-120 AMRAAM) in a ground to air mode.


>Yesterday one of those missiles was used in Kiev but missed its target. It hit an apartment block and killed several people


>Heavy machine guns with thermal image sights against drones.


>This is a really bad sign. I have tried to find recent photos of machine guns used in air defense mode. There were only antique ones.


>Those machine guns Ukraine will get, minus those to be sold on the black market, can not be effective as air defense.


>The Russians have learned from the early HIMARS successes and have become much better now with camouflaging their positions


>Nice to have - but again only if you have reliable targeting data.


>The story of the U.S. weapon support for Ukraine is one of diminishing quantity and quality.


>The war in Ukraine is waged on an industrial level. But the 'west' and its Ukrainian proxy are not prepared for industrial warfare.


https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/ukraine-running-on-empty.html

 No.1281288

>>1281282
Who is this man and has he ever met a liberal? Escaping reality is their forte. Besides, they're more likely to just escalate the war and make the poverty legal.

 No.1281291

>>1281285
Yeah all it does is absorb a little bit more and bounce the radar waves at angles that make it hard for radar to get a clear position on it but it will still bounce radar.

 No.1281297

>>1281273
That wasn’t me who posted that, 😂! It looks like someone else is either imitating me or embracing my views, 🤔?

 No.1281301

>>1281297
Comrade Lear, what are your labels for this man? >>1281152

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>>1281301
>comrade
>KL

 No.1281312

>>1281228
I’ll give you credit for admitting that Putinist Russia appeals to Right-Wing “Populists” and not screeching that any link between Putinist Russia and Crypto-Fascist Right-Wing “Populists” is “Muh Liberal Russiagate conspiracy” like most here do, 😂! However, you still seem desperate to whitewash the Right-Wing “Populists” as some sort of “Progressive” force due to their link with Putinist Russia and the mistaken idea that their is a divide between the Petit and Haute Borgeoisie, ignoring that fact that the entire Bourgeoisie (both petit and Haute) are United behind the Crypto-Fascist Right-Wing “Populists”, and that the “New Cold War” is nothing more then Jingoistic hogwash to corral the Proles on both sides to support their Bourgeois masters, 🤢🤮!

 No.1281334

>>1281286
>This is a really bad sign. I have tried to find recent photos of machine guns used in air defense mode. There were only antique ones.
Antique anti drone machine gun? Jeeze what a retard, using machine guns against non armored low value targets is smarter than spending expensive AA missiles you may want to keep for cruise missiles helicopters and airplanes.

 No.1281337

>>1281312
The idea that the crisis of liberalism is caused by a Russian-led political alliance is indeed a liberal conspiracy theory, it's about what was banished by the 20th century sort of convergently haunting the next century and causing its crisis. I didn't mention anything about progressive forces in the core. I suggested the core was dividing itself and I'd add it's in a way that largely lacks a progressive force. I wouldn't say that about global divisions though, like between BRICS and G7.

 No.1281341

>>1281337
he can't grasp the idea that 'appeal to right-wing populists' is just a co-opting of the conservative another flavor of liberalism wing of the very real revolutionary forces, as hitler did in Social Democratic Germany, taking the same 'revolutionary elements' until he could find enough reactionaries forces and kills whatever trace of socialism Germany had, and blames on Russia completely, as in Russia's influence is 1 to 1 with the U.S. and not 100 to 1 with the u.s. that the conservatives are doing this.
You can't 'comrade' him into rational thoughts. he is past way that situation.

 No.1281343

>>1281341 (me)
until king skitzo manages to differentiate, avoid syncretizing political counter-hegemon with what western-conservatism is, and learn the importance of multipolarity, he will act as a cia tool.

 No.1281345

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>>1281219
Guess who invented that tactic.

 No.1281353

>>1281345
Serbs were the og Ziggas.

 No.1281359

>>1281219
>But they are very tough to shoot down.
Then you add things like IRST and infrared missiles that are both old tech, those things turn out to be very vulnerable.

 No.1281360

>>1281341
>>1281343
Your misunderstanding my analysis of what “Progressive” and “Reactionary” are, 😂! For me, “Progressive” forces include Social Democracy (the Welfare States of Western Europe, the U$ Democratic Party, and the Bolivarianist forces of Latin America), Socialism (the last surviving “Revisionist” Socialist States of Cuba and the DPRK, along with the Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru), smaller Leftist tendencies (ie. Anarchists), and the Anti-Zionist forces of the Middle East (Shia Islamist Iran, Baathist Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, and the Taliban), while “Reactionary” forces include all Rightists worldwide (with the exception of the Anti-Zionist forces of the Middle East), with a special emphasis on the so-called Axis of Reaction (Putinist Russia, Dengist China, the Zionist State, Saudi Arabia, Bolsonaro, Modi, Erdogan, the European Right-Wing Populists, and the Cryptp-Fascist U$ Republican Party that leads them all).

This is based on my Marxist-Leninist-Maoist analysis (of the Sisonite variety), that PPW is impossible in the Imperial Core under the current Material Conditions, meaning that Social Democracy is “Progressive” in the Imperial Core when compared to the “Reactionary” alternative (ie, Right-Wing “Populist” Crypto-Fascism), along with the conclusion that though PPWs must be launched throughout the entire periphery, “Revisionist” Socialist states (Cuba and the DPRK), Anti-Imperialist Social Democracies (the Bolivarianist forces of Latin America), and the Anti-Zionist forces of the Middle East must be “critically” supported against Imperialism (U$, European, Russian, and Chinese) until Maoist PPWs are launched in these states, ✊😜!

 No.1281362

>>1281360
Here’s the accompanying Map I meant to post, 😜✊!

 No.1281368

>>1281362
i hope someone lynches you

 No.1281373

>>1281360
>all imperialist states are social-democratic
>US republican party leads an alliance of "Putinist Russia, Dengist China, the Zionist State, Saudi Arabia, Bolsonaro, Modi, Erdogan, the European Right-Wing Populists"
>entirety of BRICS is bad but their allies in latin america and the middle east good
>california, north korea, iran, and ukraine make up one progressive force
bro you need help lol

 No.1281381

>>1281360
>Your misunderstanding my analysis of what “Progressive” and “Reactionary” are
king skitzo, if you had only taken your pills you could remember me using this king skitzo, for years now.
I know what your definition of progressiveness is, and that's why I said you have to avoid syncretising political counter-hegemony states with your anglo-westernized perception of conservative-reactionary forces.

 No.1281387

>>1281373
meanwhile Belarus is progressive

 No.1281388

>>1281360
The national bourgeoisie is the most wealthy of the forces that may be won over to the side of the revolution. It is restricted by foreign and feudal domination in its goal of nationalist industrialization. Though it wishes to lead the patriotic and progressive classes through its entrepreneurship and its political actions, its kind of class leadership has already been surpassed historically by the revolutionary class leadership of the working class. The vacillating dual character of the national bourgeoisie should be recognized by the working class while working for a national united front of all patriotic and progressive classes, groups and individuals under the leadership of the working class.

At this stage of Philippine history and world history, it no longer suffices to have the old type of national democratic revolution. The era of imperialism has long invalidated the leadership of the bourgeoisie. An exceedingly high stage of the world proletarian revolution has been achieved with the ascendance of Mao Tsetung Thought, the acme of Marxism-Leninism in this era. The Communist Party of the Philippines itself can never hope to lead the Filipino people if it does not rid itself of modern revisionism or the black bourgeois line, particularly of the Lavas and the Tarucs, that has marked its history.

The national bourgeoisie and the urban petty bourgeoisie, the latter especially, are allies of the working class within the national united front

https://www.marxists.org/history/philippines/cpp/1968/program.htm

 No.1281390

>>1281388
The urban petty bourgeoisie can join such a united front. The national bourgeoisie can also lend direct and indirect support to it although it always carries its dual character, its contradicting progressive and reactionary aspects. In a national united front of workers, peasants, urban petty bourgeoisie and the national bourgeoisie, the proletarian revolutionary party can best guarantee its leadership, independence and initiative only by having the people's army firmly at its command.

U.S. imperialism has long made use of the jargon of liberal democracy to deceive the people. In upholding proletarian revolutionary leadership, the Party does not mean that socialism shall be achieved without passing through the stage of national democracy. Neither does it mean that such progressive strata of local bourgeoisie as the petty bourgeoisie and the national bourgeoisie have no more place in the revolution. They do have a role to play as national-democratic allies of the working class.The Party is highly conscious that in rebuilding itself as the principal instrument of the leading class and in building a united front of all patriotic and progressive forces, it must build a strong people's army that can weld together the workers and peasants and destroy the local reactionary state and the interventionist forces of U.S. imperialism.


The ultimate goal of the people's democratic revolution is the establishment of a people's democratic state and a coalition or united front government. The people's democratic state is under the leadership of the working class and it includes the participation of all democratic classes, i.e., the workers, peasants, petty bourgeoisie and the national bourgeoisie. Its government is a coalition or united front of all democratic classes. In the course of the protracted people's war, a national liberation front may be created to combine all available forces and elements to isolate and destroy the enemy and prepare for a democratic coalition government.

 No.1281392

>>1281388
Nothing I said contradicts Sisons analysis, 😜✊!

 No.1281394

>>1281392
>“Progressive” forces include … the U$ Democratic Party

 No.1281400

>>1281394
Sison himself supported Biden in 2020, 😜✊!

 No.1281404

>>1281400
US imperialism and domestic feudalism are the main problems afflicting the whole nation and from which the masses of the people aspire to be liberated.

Since the beginning of this century, U.S. imperialism has made use of feudalism as its social base in the Philippines. With the defeat of the old type of national democratic revolution, which was imbued mainly with the ideas of liberalism, U.S. imperialism has succeeded in employing domestic puppet forces

U.S. imperialism has bred and made use of the comprador bourgeoisie as its principal agency in perpetuating a semi-colonial and semi-feudal type of economy, culture and political system.

The combined oppression of US imperialism and feudalism involves the inequitable colonial exchange of cheap local raw materials (sugar, coconut, abaca, logs and mineral ore) and finished products imported chiefly from the United States and the investment of US surplus capital in the Philippines chiefly to foster the semicolonial and semifeudal type of economy that exploits the toiling masses of workers and peasants.

During the direct and indirect rule of U.S. imperialism in the Philippines, the Filipino toiling masses have been exploited to serve the excessive hunger for profits of the U.S. monopoly capitalists and the local reactionaries.

In the political field, the Communist Party of the Philippines advances the revolutionary leadership of the working class, fights to overthrow the reactionary bourgeois regime and all reactionary classes supporting it and, in its stead, establishes a people's democratic state system, a coalition or united front government of the working class, peasantry, the urban petty bourgeoisie and national bourgeoisie.

Marxism-Leninism-Mao Tsetung Thought, using the method of criticism and self-criticism and closely linked with the masses of the people. It wields the two weapons of armed struggle and the national united front to deal death blows at U.S. imperialism and feudalism.

A proletarian revolutionary leadership, guided by Marxism-Leninism-Mao Tsetung Thought, is what makes the people's democratic revolution a new type of national democratic revolution. We are now in the world era in which U.S. imperialism is heading for total collapse and socialism is advancing to worldwide victory.

In the course of the protracted people's war, a national liberation front may be created to combine all available forces and elements to isolate and destroy the enemy and prepare for a democratic coalition government.

😜✊😜✊😜✊😜✊😜✊😜✊

 No.1281406

>>1281400
He also blames the Ukraine conflict on US/NATO and takes a mostly multipolarista position

https://ilps.info/en/on-us-aggression-in-ukraine-and-korea/

 No.1281409

>>1281387
>meanwhile Belarus is progressive
That map is basically
>what the imperialists are progressive
But it looks kinda colonial so you throw in anti-imperialists in the mideast and latin america, which they're at war with. Meanwhile those anti-imperialists sympathize with BRICS, which are under the leadership of Donald Trump

The other thing I notice is that map conflates the class character of states with that of parties. India is reactionary because of the Modi government, but the coasts of America are progressive because of Democratic governments. I'd be willing to wager the Indian national bourgeoisie has little stake in imperialism. Of the BRICS, it's probably the most exploited and it has a very old colonial history

 No.1281425

>boris johnson says germany wants ukraine to lose
is this what NATO unity looks like

 No.1281428

>>1281425
link dammit

 No.1281431

>>1281425
Didn't recently Olaf Scholz say the same?

 No.1281449


 No.1281465

>>1279301
>European phenotype
>Just germanic countries
What about the other european countries?

 No.1281466

File: 1669430749583.jpg (230.25 KB, 800x450, monkeyfight.jpg)

>>1281425
>>1281449
maybe they'll tear each other up

 No.1281479


 No.1281480

>>1281425
It would be to german and European benefit, always has been and still is. Only if these defeatists cliques would actually do something.

 No.1281498

File: 1669431625308.jpg (342.38 KB, 1268x1204, evLKeeU6PRw.jpg)

Caption this

 No.1281504

>>1281498
Who's the guy on the front, gotta make a meme for this

 No.1281506

>>1281504
Ramzan Kadyrov

 No.1281507

>>1281504
looks like Kadyrov

 No.1281517

>>1281406
>expecting consistency and logic from king schizo
ngmi

 No.1281518

File: 1669432163693.jpg (361.25 KB, 1268x1204, evLKeeU6PRw.jpg)

>>1281498
(Paint image-macro)

Context: NATO keeps sending military aid, but winter comes, and all they can do is to talk with Putin directly.

 No.1281521

>>1281518
Keke
Kadyrov disapproves, though

 No.1281534

>>1281498
similar energy. with the difference that Bidens-Carters picture was deliberate, had a chance to go to edition and post-production, and was still published.

 No.1281536

>>1281534
What. Are the Carters actually that short?

 No.1281537

>>1281536
well they're sitting down, also people shrink when they get super old

 No.1281548

>>1281536
look at the size of Jimmy's shoes and compare it with Biden's. there, you will get the real perception. It was the shitty perspective, but this shit passed through a chain of people that allowed it to be published.
>>1281537
ah, yes, Biden, a known youngster, who rides a bike without falling down or without babbling regularly, not calling the u.k. pm rashid sanook because of his jovial age.

 No.1281559

File: 1669433807356.png (608.03 KB, 1011x910, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1281480
>It would be to german and European benefit, always has been and still is. Only if these defeatists cliques would actually do something.
probably just bitch like this

 No.1281561

>>1281559
Broken clock moment for Europe?

 No.1281582

>>1281561
Maybe Europorkies are finally waking up to the fact that their own bourgeois interests lie in ending this war and resuming cordial relations with Russia ASAP.

 No.1281592

>>1281582
More like trying to shift blame for bills on USA.

 No.1281598

>>1281592
Yeah, EuroPorky must have realized how much they were spending on a forever war and said "Check Please."

 No.1281603

File: 1669435388128.png (866.42 KB, 1280x1684, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1281561
I think it's just part of dealing with stresses. They're isolated in the world, unable to mobilize it against Russia and China as the sort of trojan horse in BRICS, and disagreeing with each other over how to handle sanctions, their fallout, and how to support Ukraine. They're not dealing with, for example, all the crises that the recently departed Angela Merkel bounced between starting in 2009. Neither is America. It's just all starting to snowball, and I believe the way this merged the growing problems of Europe and America will mean bias towards the latter when the former requires much more internal balancing. Doesn't seem very healthy to me.

I suspect that it'll be bad enough to mitigate the temporary united fostered by Russia, because at the end of the day this isn't about Ukraine. it's about Europe and America trying to survive a changing world which they are accelerating as they fight to preserve the 1990s. Europe will come second when it needs unity the most.

 No.1281605

Has this been posted?
>>1281582
>>1281598
Seems like the German government is expecting a war against Russia. So this proxy war until the last Ukrainian will become a regional war until the last Eastern European. Possibly even all Europeans.

Liberalism is a death cult.

 No.1281611

>>1281603
Richard Sakwa did an interesting interview talking about Europe's problems, it's worth listening to

>Sakwa is Emeritus Professor of Russian and European politics at the University of Kent. From 2001 to 2007 he was also the head of the University's Politics and International Relations department. He has published on Soviet, Russian and post-communist affairs, and has written and edited several books and articles on the subject.[2][3]

 No.1281625

>>1281605
I wouldn't put too much stock in these kinds of war plans. Most of the time they are drafted as contingencies even if the government has zero intention of actually executing them. The US had a plan to invade Canada in the 1930s, but obviously they weren't actually going to go through with it. It was a "just in case" measure.

 No.1281631


 No.1281632

File: 1669437339338.png (1.85 MB, 1080x1350, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1281534
forced perspective is a hell of a drug

 No.1281634

>>1281559
if they had any principles they would have said this before February

 No.1281638

File: 1669437721095-0.png (2.64 MB, 1280x902, kadyrov.png)

File: 1669437721095-1.mp4 (14.61 MB, 852x480, Chechen Forces.mp4)

>>1281504
none other than ramzan kadyrov, of chechnya

 No.1281650

>>1281603
Beautiful. I will save this to laugh at the Eurocucks

 No.1281652

>>1281498
>we out here doin bad shit uygha

 No.1281653

File: 1669439952074.jpg (193.45 KB, 1166x1280, photo_2022-11-25_09-45-41.jpg)


 No.1281696

>>1281653
>Reactionaries will hate this

 No.1281697

>>1281653
>>1281653
>>1281653
>>1281653
Please the suicide hotline is overworked as it is

 No.1281699

File: 1669446756571.png (231.07 KB, 398x441, She Themping.png)

>>1281653
Greece is the last hold out against the Trans Menance!

 No.1281701

>new thread
>>1281700
<new thread
>>1281700
>new thread
>>1281700
<new thread

 No.1281718

>>1281653
france looks the same

 No.1282864

>>1281362
Based. Infinite uygher genocide of all transphobe bugs.


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