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 No.1279476

So I was looking at the Wikipedia-article on homonationalism. And this is what piqued my interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homonationalism

<In Terrorist Assemblages, Puar writes that "sexual deviance is linked to the process of discerning, othering, and quarantining terrorist bodies, but these racially and sexually perverse figures also labor in the service of disciplining and normalizing subjects worthy of rehabilitation away from these bodies, in other words, signaling and enforcing the mandatory terms of patriotism" (2007, p. 38). Puar claims that the binary reinforced by the othering involved in the War on Terror together with the othering of LGBT bodies "has rehabilitated some—clearly not all or most—lesbians, gays, and queers to U.S. national citizenship within a spatial-temporal domain I am invoking as 'homonationalism', short for 'homonormative nationalism.'"


And this is not the first time I've read a text that uses "bodies" when "persons" should suffice. So why? How did this start?

 No.1279480

>>1279476
>How did this start?
Bald French pedophiles.

 No.1279532

>>1279480
>Bald French pedophiles.
Plural? But OK, please go on…

 No.1279541

>>1279476
i wish i knew. its the weirdest fucking thing to see in discourse these days, i dont know where it came from or why it was seen to be some natural progression from 'persons'. it feels stilted and forced and i just wanna sit someone down to explain why the fuck its used everywhere now.

 No.1279544

>>1279532
>>1279541
I think it actually does originate with Foucault, who wrote a lot about the physical disciplining of the body as a means of broader ideological and social control.

 No.1279560

any time i hear "bodies" being used for "people" i immediately assume it's shitlibbery.

 No.1279562

>>1279544
>I think it actually does originate with Foucault, who wrote a lot about the physical disciplining of the body as a means of broader ideological and social control.
I can see the point of it from this perspective, in his time, yes. But refering to "terrorist bodies" after God knows how many terrorist attacks since 2001. Just in Africa…

 No.1279563

It sounds awkward when people say "bodies" which they picked up in academic language in a more informal setting. I don't read these academic tomes but I think it makes sense in that context and if you're referring to a thing that actually does influence our physical circumstances. That is, unless you're just a free-floating cloud of energy, then you have a body, and we're influenced or being pushed around by our bodies.

This even goes back to Aristotle:

>Where then there is such a difference as that between soul and body, or between men and animals (as in the case of those whose business is to use their body, and who can do nothing better), the lower sort are by nature slaves, and it is better for them as for all inferiors that they should be under the rule of a master. For he who can be, and therefore is, another's and he who participates in rational principle enough to apprehend, but not to have, such a principle, is a slave by nature. Whereas the lower animals cannot even apprehend a principle; they obey their instincts. And indeed the use made of slaves and of tame animals is not very different; for both with their bodies minister to the needs of life. Nature would like to distinguish between the bodies of freemen and slaves, making the one strong for servile labor, the other upright, and although useless for such services, useful for political life in the arts both of war and peace. But the opposite often happens—that some have the souls and others have the bodies of free men. And doubtless if men differed from one another in the mere forms of their bodies as much as the statues of the gods do from men, all would acknowledge that the inferior class should be slaves of the superior. It is clear, then, that some men are by nature free, and others slaves, and that for these latter slavery is both expedient and right.

http://www.wright.edu/~christopher.oldstone-moore/Aristotleslavery.htm#:~:text=Where%20then%20there%20is%20such,the%20rule%20of%20a%20master

 No.1279591

>>1279476
It's a social justice thing that came about because of otherkin and other deranged individuals that identify as something other than human.

 No.1279593

>>1279476
Yeah, I hear it in radlib context usually in "black and brown bodies". It feels so objectified. uygha I'm not a "body". I have friends and family, feelings even!

Anyways, check this out

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14616742.2015.1075317?journalCode=rfjp20
<WINNER OF THE ENLOE AWARD 2014
Drone Disorientations
HOW “UNMANNED” WEAPONS QUEER THE EXPERIENCE OF KILLING IN WAR

>Killing with drones produces queer moments of disorientation. Drawing on queer phenomenology, I show how militarized masculinities function as spatiotemporal landmarks that give killing in war its “orientation” and make it morally intelligible. These bearings no longer make sense for drone warfare, which radically deviates from two of its main axes: the home–combat and distance–intimacy binaries. Through a narrative methodology, I show how descriptions of drone warfare are rife with symptoms of an unresolved disorientation, often expressed as gender anxiety over the failure of the distance–intimacy and home–combat axes to orient killing with drones. The resulting vertigo sparks a frenzy of reorientation attempts, but disorientation can lead in multiple and sometimes surprising directions – including, but not exclusively, more violent ones. With drones, the point is that none have yet been reliably secured, and I conclude by arguing that, in the midst of this confusion, it is important not to lose sight of the possibility of new paths, and the “hope of new directions.”

 No.1279608

>>1279476
Bodies makes me think they are talking about organisations, like in "governing body"

 No.1279627

>>1279560
Basically.

 No.1279697

>>1279476
The use of the word "bodies" in this context comes from Foucault's concept of Biopower, which essentially analyzes how the state subjects their population. The term "bodies" is used specifically to emphasize the physical dimension of this subjectification: biopower deals not so much with control over humans as it deals with control over human bodies.

The origins of biopower comes from Foucault analyzing the beginning of statistics and governments trying to actually measure their populations, mainly for public health purposes, hence the use of "bodies"

This distinction sounds like useless semantics out of context, but makes quite a lot of sense within the framework of biopower and is actually an interesting manifestation of state power to analyze imo

 No.1279710

>>1279593
>It feels so objectified. uygha I'm not a "body". I have friends and family, feelings even!
This. To me it's worse, It feels like what you call a corpse, like a body count. Absolutely dehumanizing.

 No.1279727

>>1279710
that's the point

 No.1279742

Probably just autism and lack of a metaphysical view of self since bodies technically isn't wrong if you view the whole self deriving from just the materialistic body which includes the brain which is the vessel of the mind.

 No.1279768

>>1279742
>Probably just autism and also turbo-autism
there you go

 No.1279777

>>1279593
>seemingly applying queer theory to drones
Oh FFS! Everyone that nuclear missileers have huge problems with drugs, sexual abuse and general misbehaviour. Probably because their work is totally alienating. The opening sequence of War Games where the missileers are two total dorks is totally realistic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-T_uhQ0iE4

>>1279608
>Bodies makes me think they are talking about organisations, like in "governing body"
Ha-ha! Good take. "Bodies" in swedish (kroppar) makes me think of corpses. Hence the extra layer of dehumanization.

>>1279697
>nice sum-up that clarifies
Nice! :-)

>>1279727
If so, then someone is really in for the long con. Like:

1) Single out people that aren't up to societal standards such as but not limited to dark skin, different sexualities, various handicaps, different religions. Make them stand out in a cult of suffering that's basically perverted christianity without the good things.

2) Refer to them collectively as "bodies".

3) Repeat (2) until everyone are getting tired of the people in (1) and then some.

4) ????

5) Kill all in (1).

 No.1279788

>>1279476
Sounds like a bunch of idle wankery.

 No.1279809

>>1279788
>Sounds like a bunch of idle wankery.
Yes, but without the fun things as tasteful salons, comfy ottomans and powdered wigs.

 No.1279972

Also it isnt new. Ever hear someone say "everyperson" and "anyperson"? No, it's "everybody" and "anybody"

 No.1280546

>>1279972
>Also it isnt new. Ever hear someone say "everyperson" and "anyperson"? No, it's "everybody" and "anybody"
Yes, but not in this context…

 No.1280623

shitlibs?

 No.1280638

>>1279972
I prefer 'everypony'.


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