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 No.1280186

CAN SOMEBODY PLEAASSEEE EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MASS LINE AND DEMCENT? WHAT IS COMMANDISM? WHAT IS TAILISM? WHAT THE FUCK IS WORKERISM?

Explain in plain language or send me the most verbose readings that you can.

 No.1280196

And if we are practicing mass line, but the masses have backwards and reactionary beliefs, then what are we to do? Should the party be composed of the most progressive members of the proletariat, or should it simply interpret and enact the will of the masses no matter what?

 No.1280206

A mass line is a line with lots of mass and gravitational pull caused by linear magnetics. Demcent is short for Demos Centurion meaning common soldier, Demos being Greek for commoner. A centurion is a rank in the Roman army. Commandism is short for Communication Mandism which means communication dynamics between Man. Tailism is a genetic disease where a person is born with an animal tail. Workerism is a fake word, no meaning.

 No.1280217

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>>1280196
>And if we are practicing mass line, but the masses have backwards and reactionary beliefs, then what are we to do?
you simply take matters into your own hands

 No.1280235

Just read Mao and gonzalo

 No.1280236

>>1280217
I agree with the sentiment, but I have been reading works on mass line from various parties that practice it, and from what I gather, it is recommended that the party not outpace the masses and listen to their wisdom at all times.
>>1280235
Yeah, I've been meaning to. Where is the best place to start with Mao?

 No.1280249

>>1280236
>Where is the best place to start with Mao?
"On Contradiction" is pretty good.

 No.1280261

>>1280235
>read Mao
yes
>and gonzalo
nahhh

 No.1280268

mass-line = maga-communism

 No.1280270

>>1280268
Yeah, you'll win over the petty-bourg MAGAts any day now.

 No.1280301

mass-line is a maoist shibboleth for praxis
democratic centralism is the binding of majority decisions on all members of the org
commandism is a maoist shibboleth for autocracy
tailism is when you latch onto another movement just because it’s popular
workerism is whatever is seen as too deferent towards the mere being of a worker, which can mean anything, again another shibboleth

 No.1280397

>>1280301
Excuse me the mass line
To wit
To trust the masses because the masses want socialism and therefore to take the ideas of the masses concentrate them and disseminate them back to the masses was first formulated by comrade Stalin

 No.1280400

Mass line refers to my dick.

 No.1280438

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 No.1280477

So real simply:
The Mass Line is a concept developed by Mao Zedong that, potentially, could be implied almost anywhere. In essence, when a Socialist Cell goes to a rural village, it'll try to gather the villagers up, then get them to discuss among themselves and with their party all the problems they're facing. Then, the Maoists will guide them toward solutions in line with Socialism.
An example could be that a rural village has no access to medical care. Well the Maoists could gather the village together, get them to discuss their various issues (from back pain to sickness) and then suggest: Hey, maybe we can pool our resources together to care for the sick? We've got a few people with some minor medical training, maybe they can help you in exchange for food? Maybe we could start group health exercises?
That's the very very very simplified version of it. In actual Maoist theory it gets more in depth. Y'know, say that one village you helped had medical issues; maybe other villages do too. You can say "Well this is how these people over here solved their issues, maybe we can put you two in contact?" Or maybe the group exercise is exhausting and people dislike it, well under the Mass Line, you're constantly getting feedback from them and adjusting around it to help them.

Now, Democratic Centralism is a standard Marxist-Leninist theory. Again, in a very simplified definition: you've got a Communist Party, you want to get things done and you don't want to play politics, so what do you do? Well, you have a vigorous debate within the party, then you hold a vote, one side wins and the losing side is disciplined enough to go along with the winning side's decision, even if didn't support it initially.
This is a way of dealing with people "playing politics." After all, if you and a rival are both vying for a position within the party, and your rival is launching some new project, then by talking smack about the project and loudly playing up any failures (real or perceived) within it or towards others, you can elevate yourself at their expense.
Of course, playing politics is a detriment to actual organizing, hence Democratic Centralism is supposed to help with that. It's been used in times of crisis to encourage faster decision making and not fracturing under pressure.

 No.1280494

>>1280217
This
>>1280236
>listen to their wisdom at all times.
And those works are full of shit and would have gotten us nowhere if people followed that advice at all times
The history of labor struggles, the abolition of slavery, etc. is a history of one action inspiring the action of others, not "the masses" coming to a collective consensus
>B-b-but muh lifestylism muh adventurism
Is the creed of useless would-be-apparachtniks. Ignore these twats, they do nothing, inspire nothing, they're fractally useless

 No.1280548

>CAN SOMEBODY PLEAASSEEE EXPLAIN
Let's first establish that these are all terms in the leninist tradition, meaning that it presumes the party is a political organ consisting of the most class concious workers, acting as full time politicians for the working class, but not yet in power and thus unable to establish full democratic structures throughout society.
>MASS LINE
Workers have ideas and problems. Because most workers aren't professional commies, they don't neccecarilly know what ideas come from where or are able to get to the core of the problem. The mass line is a Maoist idea of going to ordinary workers, hearing their complaints and ideas, then take those things to the party, discuss them, research them, and create marxist solutions to these issues. The idea being that the party can not know all that is happening or important to the workers because it's primarily made up of full time politicians, rather than factory labourers. Using this technique you cover your blind spots while not uncritically adopting everything workers say as your politics, because some things may be reactionary ideas.

>DEMCENT?

An organisational technique in which every body is elected by the larger group below, while the elected body then has right to dictate specifics and set priorities until the next election or they are recalled. Also, discussion of any topic is allowed in the party, but once a vote has been cast, every single member has to do as the majority decided, even if they disagree with the dicision. Democracy plus centralism. All bodies below are subject to the bodies above it, except during elections and general meetings, where the lower body gets to democratically set the rules.

>WHAT IS COMMANDISM?

Forcing people, whether it be workers or your cadre, to do things by force, rather than by explaining why and convincing them of your ideas. Commandism damages the emancipatory nature of what communism should be about and introduces top down structures that it's subjects cannot question because they do not know why they do what they do. This is in contrast to democratic centralism, where the majority does know why and agrees, so even the opposition minority understands why a choice is made even if they think it's wrong.

>WHAT IS TAILISM?

When you don't do your job as a party and instead of be at the forefront of class struggle, instead of pushing it forwards, you just run after existing movements like unions and shout "uh yeah we agree with this too!". You tail the workers, don't do your job as a party of educating the workers and elevating the class struggle. You as a party are in fact behind the workers, you tail them.

>WHAT THE FUCK IS WORKERISM?

Fetishization of the working class. Thinking that the working class is the only group that matters and/or having a very narrow view of who is working class, such as thinking office and retail workers aren't real workers. Workerists often do dumb shit like trying to dress in a caricature of what a worker is, reject any political topic that isn't labour related (like women's and gay rights) and have a very skewed view of why workers as a class are revolutionary.

 No.1280612

>>1280548
based
/thread

 No.1280807

>>1280301
thanks

 No.1280812

>>1280206
>A mass line is a line with lots of mass and gravitational pull caused by linear magnetics. Demcent is short for Demos Centurion meaning common soldier, Demos being Greek for commoner. A centurion is a rank in the Roman army. Commandism is short for Communication Mandism which means communication dynamics between Man. Tailism is a genetic disease where a person is born with an animal tail. Workerism is a fake word, no meaning.
/thread

 No.1280815

>>1280548
>>1280477
and thanks to you two as well

 No.1280989

all buzzwords to distract you from totalitarianism


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