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 No.1282295[View All]

Honest question: if the Vatican II council was truly a product of communist infiltration (as tradcaths love to claim) how the FUCK did it fly under the radar of the CIA?

In the 1960s the CIA was overthrowuyghovernments around the world, manipulating leftist movements, engaging in mass disinformation campaigns, and so on. If they got word the biggest and most powerful religious institution in the world was infiltrated by communist agents who were pushing all sorts of reforms in the Church, why did they do nothing about it? Or if they did, why do we have no record of it?

Not to mention, how did all the alleged commie priests in the US fly under the radar of the FBI during McCarthyism?
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 No.1333988

In that theory of history, the CIA likes communism, or rather, they see communism as a lie and the real program is some hybrid of fascism, capitalism, communism, and Satanism. On one hand, that is basically what is happening today, because the rulers of the world are not beholden to any ideology or particular way of doing things. On the other, the entire construction of this history is intended to suggest that there was a golden age where men were pure and would never ever do such a thing, and the Church was never ever corrupted. The things in Vatican II were things that had a long history in Catholicism and Christianity generally. American Protestants saw it as the filthy papists masking off, and there was a cope about how the Church was going woke and not saying the things they said before.

To make a long story short - people are believing Nazi agitprop, and this was encouraged by, hilariously, the CIA. So they themselves are a product of "communist infiltration". The really ironic thing is that the conspiracy crank position was, in the early 20th century, a leftist thing and a trope about Marxists. Commies have been among the best conspiracy theorists, and if you read Lenin's polemics, they read in so many ways like a lot of things the rightists believe now, in that Lenin is willing to rail against the world and say who is doing what. This makes a lot of sense for Lenin's goals. The brilliant trick is to take a genuine critique - that politics is conspiratorial and there is a new world order - and insert some Nazi shit that derails it completely and redirects the "revolution" to nothing or back into the regime. It's why these people think their Republican masters are totally on their side, and then whine about their leaders selling out. The same thing is done to the far left, but with far more devastating results. One of the greatest victories of social engineering has been to flip the positions of the left and right in the discourse, so that the right appears to be the revolutionary party, and the left is harkening to the recent past and defends the institutions. Some of the people in the hoi polloi didn't get the memo that things changed, or they did get the memo and insisted on their own view of politics, which has no real backers.

One thing that is clear is that the Church is getting money to get on board with an effort to restructure Christianity. This was a project that was carried out starting in the early 20th century, and it was for a fairly obvious reason - rich oligarchs, particularly the Rockefellers, wanted to bring together the Christian churches and put an end to the struggles over doctrine, and the way to do this was to basically neuter Christianity's meaning. In some way, the old religion survives - or rather, it has been reduced to its essential components, which is why a lot of Christians are normcore and get more into their philosophy and theory than the spookier stuff. On the other end, the old Nazi program was to rebrand Christianity to be its exact opposite, and that's where the religious right comes from. So, a lot of these charges come from people who are espousing creationism and things which are entirely inimical to a useful interpretation of the religion. This has been another long-run program, where first religion is turned into a total parody, and then the believers are given the hint that the core of the religion was actually Satanic and that Satan was actually the good guy. After enough of this, the religion can be dismantled and a Satanic movement that just wants to kill and rape things can take its place. That was exactly what the Nazis wanted, because they were into that ultra-reactionary shit where Hitler was the great avatar of death and all that faggotry. Their inheritors have done the same thing with today's right.

So in the end, the CIA is actually trying to salvage something of the religion, and the right wing wants to corrupt it further. The normies find themselves torn between two ideologies and then ask what the point of it is, and there is growing disgust towards the institution. This is the old three-pronged attack that has been used to dismantle old things and transgress decencies. So far as normies hold on to Christianity, it is because they are fearful of the rise of eugenics, for all the reasons. No one can be allowed to genuinely oppose eugenics, and that's the origin of this assault, and the culture war of the neoliberal period.

 No.1334322

>>1333988
The right is only anti-CIA because they aren’t the ones currently in control of the CIA. They never held these sentiments during the Bush II years.

 No.1334360

>>1333988
> So far as normies hold on to Christianity, it is because they are fearful of the rise of eugenics, for all the reasons. No one can be allowed to genuinely oppose eugenics, and that's the origin of this assault, and the culture war of the neoliberal period.

Amazing how middle-class whites only freak out over “eugenics” when it’s their standard of living that’s dropping, when Black and indigenous folks (not to mention the disabled) have had eugenics done to us for over 100 years and white, neurotypical folks didn’t care.

 No.1335346

>>1334322
CIA has always been very liberal. Rightoids love the FBI. I recall a lot of the right being paranoid and blaming the CIA for things that were explicitly Bush's policy (not that there's really a difference). But by that point, the hard right would not have been satisfied with anything less than a fascist takeover, which is what Trump was suggesting must happen.
It's really silly because there isn't much these people really get to fight for. They just choose which ideology they supplicate to while the actual masters of the world do as they please. It's all cuckoldry.

 No.1335348

>>1334360
Middle-class whites believed they were on the winning team, until they realized they weren't. Even then, there were members of the bourgeois set who saw what would happening, tried to fight at least for themselves. They lost, and those who marched and cheered for eugenics won. The people who lost when Reagan took over never forgot, but they were muzzled and not allowed to seriously contest what Reagan did, which was always eugenics at the core. Then some of those people got the word that eugenics was now multi-racial and they built up the "white shame" narrative. It's eugenics through and through, but you can't call it what it is and they tell you to blame something else, whether it's a race or ideology.

 No.1335528

>>1335348
What do you mean by "eugenics"?

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 No.1338046

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>>1338032
https://chrisdamian.substack.com/p/christopher-west-jason-evert-and

——-

You can hunt for their signs and make countersigns in the same style here: https://marchforlife.org/sign-inspiration/

 No.1338047

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Responsible groups

 No.1338052

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>>1338047

As in responsible for this march or more.
——
https://marchforlife.org/national-march-for-life/
The map for DC

 No.1338053

>>1338052
List of organizations that are complicit or agree with the goals of ending choice:
2023 EXHIBITORS
Abiding Love Charities
Abortion Survivors Network
Alliance Defending Freedom
American Life League
And Then There Were None
Care Net
Christian Broadcasting Network
Christendom College
Christians Engaged
Cindy Brunk
CitizenGo
Concerned Women for America
Consistent Life Network
Crusade for Life
Embrace Grace
Equal Rights Institute
EWTN
Focus on the Family
Ghirelli Rosary
Girl Scouts, Why Not?
GiveSendGo
Hallow App
Heart of a Child Ministries
Heritage House ’76
Human Life Alliance
Human Life International
Life Runners
Lutheran Church Missouri Synod
Mission Rosary
Priests for Life
Pro-Love Ministries
Proud Catholic Company
Rosary of the Unborn
Save the 1
Seven Weeks Coffee
Sidewalk Advocates for Life
Solidarity Healthshare
Stanton International
Students for Life of America
Teachers Saving Children
Texas Values
The Guiding Star Project
The Heritage Foundation
The Knights of Columbus
The Radiance Foundation
Thomas More Society
University of Mary
https://marchforlife.org/expo/

 No.1338054

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>>1338053
Let's talk about propaganda.
Beer beach; beach beer. The mind is an association machine. Propogandists know this.


Lila Rose is attempting to associate LGBT with Child Abuse

 No.1338059

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>>1338054
https://twitter.com/usccbprolife
USCCB has a Twitter against choice.



This UI enables auto-sending of messages to your local politicians.
https://www.votervoice.net/USCCB/Directory?

 No.1338060

This particular location was chosen as it was Bishob Barrons current Diocese.

 No.1338064

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>>1338060
Location: Los Angeles, CA

https://onelifela.org/walk-for-life-map
See attached image.

—-

"Join us on Jan. 21, 2023 in Downtown LA to Celebrate Life! Bring your parishes… @lacatholics @ArchbishopGomez"

Street level
https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=34.05673&mlon=-118.23900#map=17/34.05673/-118.23900
City wide level
https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=34.0561&mlon=-118.2390#map=14/34.0561/-118.2390

 No.1338076

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>>1338064
Location: USA, MN, Rochester
Diocese: Diocese of Winnona [Bishop Robert Barron presides over this Diocese]
Church: Pax Christi

"January 22 is the date of the Roe vs. Wade decision… that legalized abortion… Here in Minnesota, both houses of the Legislature and the Governor’s office are controlled by Democrats… Bishop Barron asks us to make our voices heard at this critical time. We invite you to take a card to send to our state representatives and senators… A short online search will tell you who your legislators are…"
https://www.parishesonline.com/publication-page/pax-christi-church?selectedPublication=https://container.parishesonline.com/bulletins/02/0112/20230122B.pdf

Let's describe the influence and reach of this message with math.

Here are the sections of a church: Left side of church. 1; Left middle side of church 2, Left Main Isile 3.
//Ignore the right side as we can simply multiply by 2 {Right Main Isile 4, Right Middle side of Church 5, Right side of church 6}

Saturday 5:15 pm [Hard to estimate]
1: 6 people per row * 7 rows
2: 4 people per row * 12 rows
3: 5 people per row * 15 rows
(6*7)+(4*12)+(5*15)=165
size=currentSum*2; //For right side
165*2=330 people

Sunday 7:30 am
Identical to Saturday 5:15 pm for simplicity
330 people

Sunday 9:00 am
1: 10 people per row * 14 rows (all rows full this time)
2: 9 people per row * 14 rows (all rows full this time)
3: 6 people per row * 20 rows
140+(9*14)+(6*20)=386
size=currentSum*2; //For right side
386*2=772 people

Sunday 10:45 am
Identical to Sunday 9AM
772 people

Total
(330*2)+(772*2)=(330+772)*2=2204 people

Limitations:
This is only 1 church. Technically, this is one of Diocese of Winnona's bigger churches.
This is a lighter estimate. It could be larger.
They have like 14 churches in just this one town (not the Statewide Diocese) that are smaller. They would create their own bulletins that contain the same anti-choice announcement.
This is only the Catholicism; other religious groups can do the same.

"No one reads the bulletin" you say? They have after Communion announcements. Everybody will hear it.

 No.1338077

>>1338076
Reading Catlin Johnstone's Substack motivated me to write that last section about the reach of the bulletin. She mentions the influence of media organizations over the masses.

 No.1338099

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>>1338077

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iPxyLfWlEy8
Fr. Mike Schmitz is promoting anti-choice as well.

 No.1338100

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>>1338099
March for Life sponsors. Noteworthy examples:
https://www.kofc.org/en//index.html
https://www.ewtn.com/
FOCUS=Fellowship of Catholic University Students. These people are on a lot of college campuses across America. Every FOCUS is a Newman Center. Not every Newman Center hosts FOCUS.

 No.1338102

>>1338100
Observed trends:
1. ["culture of life", "celebrate life"] VS [Defeating Abortion, fighting Roe V Wade]
2. Kight's of Columbus are highly involved in this.

 No.1339939


 No.1339941

>>1338053
Priests for Life, Stand True, Rock For Life (don't know if they're around anymore) and Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising (PAAU) are all splinter groups of Operation Rescue.

 No.1340478

>>1282295
A good psyop is to take credit for stuff other people did. Such as the U.S. Army Field Manual 30-31B-hoax.

And if you say that "It's fake, but right in principle", well congrats! You just vent full Julius Evola on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion…

 No.1340854

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>>1339939
The MN flag, the Vatican flag in image 3.

 No.1340855

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 No.1340857

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Knights of Columbus sign

 No.1340858

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 No.1340859

>>1340858
"Christendom students praying Rosary outside an abortion clinic
The college cancelled classes on January 20 to give an opportunity to students to participate in March for Life rally"
-https://twitter.com/Sachinettiyil/status/1614996441415704576

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>>1340859
General themes:
-Every Catholic organization tries to show up
-Catholic colleges and schools treat it as a field trip, even going as far as to cancel classes to enable this.

 No.1340871

>>1340854
>that degree of whiteness

 No.1340878

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>>1340865
Washington's defense of anti-choice events

 No.1340879

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 No.1340882

>>1340879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPSOYz1_jKg
"… at least 30 ISP personnel on hand who surrounded a very well thought out barricade… Across the street the Proud Boys had set up and appeared to be well armed; one guy had a black face mask and an AR 15 strapped to his chest. They just kind of hung out and chatted. The counter protestors demonstrated incredible vocal stamina and ability by chanting the same phrases quite loudly for over an hour straight. ; very impressive. The only real conflict came when some of the canines present came into contact with one another and had a few scuffles, but hey, at least they got to enjoy an outing with their owners on a really nice sunny day. Good job everyone.'"

 No.1340925

>>1340882
Note: That was in the comment section

 No.1341702

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>>1340925
"MARCH FOR LIFE 2023
SUNDAY, JANUARY 22, 2023 11:45AM
CHURCH OF ST. MICHAEL
For those who cannot attend the March For Life at the Capitol on Sunday, or just wish to join us…

RESPECT LIFE MASS
Sunday, January 22, 2023 NOON
Cathedral of Saint Paul, St. Paul
…(This Mass is replacing the Prayer Service for Life.)"

https://churchofstmichael.flocknote.com/note/19862809


————-
https://thecatholicspirit.com/news/local-news/archbishop-hebda-each-of-us-is-called-to-be-an-evangelizer-for-life/

"About 180 people, including 140 high school students and young adults, also traveled by charted buses from the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis to the 50th March for Life in Washington, D.C. Jan. 20."

"Archbishop Hebda also acknowledged his gratitude for students in attendance from the University of Mary in Bismarck who were on their way back to North Dakota after participating in the march in Washington…"

"…Archbishop Hedba said Minnesotans must “express our voice to our senators as soon as we can, because the vote will be as soon as this week.” He suggested accessing the Minnesota Catholic Conference website at mncatholic.org or the archdiocese’s website at archspm.org to find ways to express views to state senators. "

 No.1341703

>>1341702
Summary again:
1. The march for life does not just happen out of nowhere.
2. Catholic Churches and Catholic Schools facilitate media campaigns and buses to make it so.
3. Notice the level of coordination from high level USCCB to the Local Church level.

 No.1341716

>>1341703
Pics related.

 No.1341719

>>1341716
Randall Terry is a rat.

 No.1342060

>>1341719
Yeah plea deals often involve the defendant agreeing to snitch or set up others. If he’s getting a bunch of college kids to invade abortion clinics for him you know something’s up.

 No.1342077

>>1341716
why the hell are anti abortion people always the ugliest fucks that would never need an abortion

 No.1342087

>>1342077
Personally I don’t think Terrisa is ugly. She looks like your typical 50-year old wine aunt who drinks diet ginger ale and shops at Christmas Tree Shops.

 No.1342123

>>1341719
>rescues

are they talking about stealing fetuses again?…

 No.1342146


 No.1342149

>>1342146
gross. what do these people think they've achieving with this

 No.1342175

>>1342149
Shock value for clout.

 No.1342507

New schizo Kengor video.

This one hurts.

 No.1343767


 No.1343796

>>1342123
Catholic Extremists need language that justifies the immoral action of intruding into Planned Parenthood and scaring people to not use their choice.

Also, they can't build a movement of terrorism yet. The court of public opinion does not like bombings, even among their own ranks.

 No.1343800

>>1343796
This is psychopathic.

 No.1343842



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