They didn't really fail in pushing the needle towards previously unthinkable shifts in the Overton window. That's their usefulness and is what leftypol should realize.
Just like with Trump, whoever starts something doesn't ever finish it, but can at least get the ball rolling somewhat.
>>1314575>pushing the needle towards previously unthinkable shifts in the Overton window
>>1314575>They didn't really fail in pushing the needle towards previously unthinkable shifts in the Overton window.
And alienating tons of people in the process. I myself was a conservative back in the Doom Paul/IT'S HAPPENING days, but I was so disgusted by Donald Trump and the alt-right I turned into a communist.
nobody cares. The altright was a meme that had the lifespan of a meme, a couple months. it was only in popular consciousness because MSM had to have some boogeyman to blame for Trump. QAnon and antivaxxers are now the hot topic after biden was elected.
that's the sort of medical technology that might eventually give us immortality, nothing to be afraid of.
A good lesson in the importance of responding to the ultra right in a language they understand.
they demonstrated that they were categorically retarded and have no actual positions except for contrarianism and charlatanism in the past two years.
Because internet =/= reality
Any moderately intelligent or self-aware alt-rightoids realized they could rebrand as respectable neocons and advocate for basically the same positions without the stigma attached to edgy Natsoy optics.
Also the data sets seem extremely unreliable>>1314633
Neoconservatism was a sinking ship during the Obama era
And now the alt-right is, too
Everyone is broke and will never own anything. Everything is ruined. We know who is responsible. Even if people are sucked into dead end shit like antiwork they have a strong chance of realizing they need something better. Pick your battles. Don't try to propagandize the few people who still think things can work out for them in this hellscape.
donald trump was always a blackmailed pedo used as a limited hangout to accelerate the process towards outright totalitarianism while giving rightoids an outlet to vent energy through, the alt-right rose and fell with him as planned
>time for your bi-weekly OP about halfchan!
And you can neck yourself too.
neoconservatism literally underpins this entire countries cursed foreign policy still
They overestimated their strength during Charlottesville and never recovered. There was one last hurrah during Jan 6, which ended up as a humiliating defeat.
That's not to say they aren't still dangerous, but any hope of them creating an organized political movement in the near future has been completely quashed.
no worries they'll be the justification for sweeping domestic anti-terrorist and dissent laws soon enough, hopefully TPTB at least drop the charade of liberal constitutionalism once they do so
Damage report for 4chan.
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Impressive, very nice, now lets see leftypols PPD decline.
nuh-uh comrade we're
they're at literally 2003 levels of traffic. only three boards actually have posts any more.
This is the great death everyone is complaining about? What a bunch of babies.
>Started the slave trade.
>inherent morale value of wild-life, Water and 'plant-life'
NOTICED as usual, but i digress this is a pretty L tweet.
The legacy of the alt right is that a bunch of zoomers & millennials became more right leaning than they otherwise would have been and they will eventually become republican suburban dads.
The greater effect is on the left though since it really galvanized a huge part of the left into overdrive and some driven even further left >>1314583
is right. The alt right alienated and radicalized a whole bunch of people and as a result the west and US in particular is far more left leaning than it would have been if the alt right moment had never been a thing
The only 'shifts in the overtone window' that /pol/ managed to 'create' was getting everyone to voot for Zion don and now getting everyone to voot for 'the most pro-israel governor in the country' desantis.
naw, it lasted for a few years. But it really peaked with charolettesville after which it morphed into the boomer/q-maga/christnat right
You are one of the most useless posters on here, and that's saying something
Pushing overt racism and anti-semitism was a massive mistake. That shit just isn't popular among the American people. Plus the stochastic lone wolf terror attacks got them dismantled by the Feds pretty quick.
The new schtick is "national conservatism," i.e. protectionist social democracy for white citizens only. But that'll only have staying power if they find a faction of the bourgeoisie willing to support it. No capitalist would openly support the alt-right as it existed in 2017.
It's slightly concerning, but I was honestly surprised to see how mild the drop was in numbers. I suspect it hits some timezones harder than others, but even now around the deadest hours we still have 30/h on /leftypol/ and 15/h on /siberia/.
That said, we have two long years before the huge US election wave, and we'll want to have some momentum before then or else we won't even get people coming here, and the site could just continue to gradually bleed out.
For a bit of extra fun, here's a .pdf from a year ago comparing the 150 most common keywords on>/leftypol/>edu/>/monarchy/>/liberty/>/fascist/ and four /pol/ boards>/mlpol/
I don't know about pushing the needle or the overton window or whatever, but it was pretty clearly a kind of platform for a "liminal stage" towards "something else" among the post-2008 right wing
It helped create a core of committed cadres who were willing to do politically "dangerous" stunts, kind of testing the waters to see what they could survive
It's like how Trotskyists form organizations that they say will eventually become the true Fourth International, or some Maoists try to "reconstitute the Communist Party in X"
Turns out that appealing to people's stupid anger is a great way to rouse them up short term but what keeps people sticking around are actual solutions. The alt-right had nothing but sarcasm and resentment and contempt for the liberal order. Turns out many people find all three relatable. However it was not pragmatic. After a while the memes get stale and you've seen enough pepes and still nothing gets changed. You grow up and outgrow it.
Also the alt-right may have had early victories in the information war but they were unable to sustain it. They won various unstable, volatile candidates like Trump, Bolsonaro, and perhaps Johnson who, like the movement, had no platform or substance and therefore no staying power.
What make you think the feverish burger election year is the good time to pick up new users? To me this seem the worst time.
Historically there is a fascist wing of the Republican Party that was kept at a "respectable" distance which were organized in clubs like the Robert Taft Club, and they'd have their own side events during major conferences like the RNC. They weren't bothered and could say whatever they wanted at their own thing provided they didn't try to mess with the main show and that allowed a certain dynamic to develop. So the alt-right seemed like a mixture of those guys positioning as the leadership and then bringing in le edgy meme types on 4chan with the underground white power scene to function as the muscle. "Suits and boots" basically. Nick Fuentes has been trying to restart this dynamic with his group "America First" that hosts side events btw.
In 2016, I'm pretty sure there was some backchannel relationship with Trump's people, namely Steve Bannon, through Milo Yiannopolous as the middleman to send instructions to the street guys (there was a meeting in Dallas in early 2017 between the main players), with the idea of trying to create "strategy of tension" pressure where the alt-right would go out and antagonize the left. The goal here was to pressure the left into overreacting to their provocations, which would then allow Trump to position himself as a "law and order" figure against a domestic "communist" threat. But they cocked it up at Charlottesville and it backfired and Bannon was sacked from his White House job a few days afterwards.
I'm not even sure Trump was even aware of what was going on.
You saw them making antifa their big bogeyman afterwards anyways, but it didn't work. It would've worked had an antifa run over the Nazis in a car instead of the other way around.
The right is way too schizophrenic, the Nazis obsessively focused on the Jews and it helped to have such an overarching enemy. Nowadays, they want China to be the Nu-Jew but keep getting sidetracked with radlibs, LGBT, urban black people, Muslims, Mexican migrants, etc. They'll find a way to tie them all together but that only increases the amount of people they have to genocide, with much more pushback.
ISIS was the harbinger of 21st century fascism, who were more like a death cult than serious geopolitical contender.
The right had lost its steam ever since the 2010s with China and the Ukraine war both being accelerators
Also know the fact that the right also brought nothing but misery and high Ginis
what i cant stand is the transhumanist mention spamming and poltards spouting conspiracy theories in blue boards. you will say i am crazy but i think that they are trying to groom others into transexuality by spamming porn and trans comments. ffs let me just forget that these kind of people exist.
>>1314949>The right doesn't do very well when their plans go out the window and they have to think on their feet. The fact is, a lot of rightards who show up at these things are angry retards who lack discipline and matching khaki pants and polo shirts can't cover that up, they need some other asshole (or the police etc.) telling them what to do. They have difficulty making correct decisions on their own in a dynamic environment. So some of them get frustrated at the chaotic and unpredictable situation they're in and lash out and blow their whole optics game.
I also get the impression that they also hate the fuck out of one another. I've been in a few /tg/, /ic/ related circles and they were basically always up one another's assholes about shit. As Kreia says, an alliance of hatred is a fragile one.
The Republicans are kind of morphing into a Christian democracy party where they are put on the defense to defending familial values after neoliberalism destroyed all the collective institutions.
that's what you're doing rn tho
Extremely online and delusional views here. The Christian right is at its strongest point in 60 years. A new Cold War has been kicked off and the entire Imperialist bloc is heeding the call. So called Western liberals and leftists have Bush-era foreign policy views.
>>1315061>The Christian right is at its strongest point in 60 years
I think you forgot the late 70's to mid-90's bro
On one hand, their institutional power has waned from the Bush years, but on the other hand that seems to have increased their openness to doing direct action and non-state-sanctioned political violence.
or the bush years.
>>1315069>I think you forgot the late 70's to mid-90's bro
What do you mean? The Christian right was in its infancy in the 70s. In the 70s even the Southern Baptist Convention and Ronald Reagan were pro-choice. Women in 1974 had better reproductive rights than they have right now. I think you don't know much about these things.
I've noticed that right wing ideology is ironically extremely time-sensitive.
I have a bit of bile-fascination with reactionary content and I've noticed that there are tons of examples throughout history of reactionaries making immediately falsified predictions for the future, from Eustace Mullins confidently predicting WW3 "in five years" (Our Race Will Rule Undisputed Over the World) to Revilo P. Oliver anticipating communist revolution in the Dominican Republic "in a few months" (All America Must Know the TERROR that is Upon Us).
The upshot of this time-sensitivity is that requires constantly firing up your base. I think the alt-right came about thanks to the miniaturization of the internet via smartphones and reactionaries were so excited that they forgot to ask themselves if this really was the right time to blow their loads.
there is also 4channel which it split into so that advertisers would be duped into pushing more mainstream ads there for phonefag /vg/ and /v/ users.
That being said I do believe that 4chan is decaying though. It seems as if conservatism is boring even to conservatives after a while, I'd imagine that even the perpetual losers that is the dems have some sort of society that they would like to live under.
I saw someone on /his/ post this video and describe himself as at thirtysomething white guy for whom right-wing stuff is supposed to appeal to, but that he thought these liberals made more sense or seemed at least grounded in some kinda reality in comparison to Josh Hawley talking about how starting families is how they're gonna trigger the libs. (Interesting bit of base/superstructure talk at 6:00 btw)
Or like the Q stuff. The problem with these internet-based movements is that things have a habit of dematerializing, so people fall in love with their own memes and strategies and tactics become disconnected from each other and the whole thing dissolves.
The panic about drag queens is also a reversal, because when Milo was popular, his whole thing was showing up at college campuses in drag and giving far-right speeches at events hosting by "Young Conservatives" and "College Republican" groups, which was instantly hilarious to the audiences as a form of detournement, basically flipping or reversing tropes associated with "social justice" liberalism. Not that the harder neo-fascist types who showed up in Charlottesville approved of that, but for a moment the different spokes of the wheel were all moving in the same direction.
The incubator were the TRS forums. The first piece was the meeting in Dallas between Milo and Spencer and others with the TRS forums – the video of Milo doing karaoke in a bar with them was the afterparty. I'm assuming they met at a local poster's house for the meeting since there was an AmRen guy who lived near the bar back then … older guy, boomer, and pretty off the radar. (Douglas Mackey a.k.a. "Ricky Vaughn" was another one of these guys. Don't know if he was there though. There were others.)
Around the same time, Mike Enoch said on a podcast of the Daily Shoah (I think) that Bannon was giving them "space to destroy." Milo was still working directly with Bannon at this time so I think that's the message that was transmitted. These were the main players / organizers while Heimbach etc. were riff-raff with lumpen / neo-Nazi / skinhead muscle.
AmRen is American Renaissance which is one of the "suit" outfits.
>>1314671>/u/: 700ppd constant
>Go on /tg/ thread
>Someone brings up some rightiod shit
>People call him out
>Claim it's just leftypol raiding him
y'know despite the anons bitching about all the 4chan hate threads, they are just as obsessed as we are if not even moreso.
It's free advertising.
I'm not pretending the 'average user' will be high quality. But the sheer numbers and fresh blood are, as shown in the past, an opportunity for growth even after pleb-filtering.
Over what time period?
It all came down to the clashing of egos from e-celebs of the alt-right and autistic spergery. Also it came from /pol/, and anything that they birth automatically falls flat on their face.
It made right-wingers less supportive of the current American regime. Previously you g right-wingers were willing to join the army or FBI/CIA, now they aren’t. This is the alt-right’s legacy. And boy will it sting. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/10/26/us-army-struggles-to-find-recruits-its-needs-to-win-fight-of-future.html
extreme right wingers always hated the government since the 90s. they still complain about waco or ruby ridges and support mcveigh bombing of the fbi building. The alt-rights legacy was being able to sustain a settler political force right after it appeared that the neoliberal multicultural coalition decisively beaten the neocons and business right wingers.
The neoliberal multicultural coalition and the business right and neocons, are the same people. They all support capitalism and are against the far-left and far-right. What the alt-right did was get young white rightoids to recognize the fact that they will never be Porky, they will never have a seat at the table, and that they have no reason to support the regime and provide it with manpower.
neocons and business leaders are deserting the republican party and finding more support among democrats than the republicans. Kevin Mccarthy and Mitt Romney are dying remnants of the republican party who will eventually be forced out of leadership roles once the republican new electorate start winning offices.
The GOP and far-right hate eachother. Hell the far-right are even turning on Trump because he didn’t glorify their leader Kanye West
Zoomers are more politically diverse than previous gens, anyone saying they belong to one block or another is coping. All countries have neoliberals in power same as before.
4chan traffic has declined but not by as much as you think and it certainly isn't anywhere close to its all time low.
I don't think you can compare the charlottesville zoomers with the Jan 6 boomers.
Based on my experience zoomers are mostly apathetic and don’t really care about politics outside of vooting.
>>1314574>4chan traffic at an all-time low
2016 really did kill that place, it's unusable now.
>>1315130>I do believe that 4chan is decaying though
It's a shell of its former self even ignoring all the political shit. There's no real OC or board-specific culture anymore, it's all just endless wojaks and pepes posted by zoomers who don't know who moot is.
Idk I’d say there’s a few gen Z’ers who are pretty right wing actually doesn’t matter what some nerdy faggot who doesn’t lift says lmao.
Pol resonates with me and other people my age more than some social revolutionist uprising, at least you can laugh at it
Yeah there are obviously a few, but back in 2016 you had the whole Gen Zyklon meme that turned out to be delusional. For every zoomer groyper, there are two dozen zoomer radlibs.
>>1316090>Doesn't matter what some nerdy faggot who doesn't lift says lmao
how does /pol/ even resonate with you? It's just endless bitching about media properties.
>>1316090>doesn’t matter what some nerdy faggot who doesn’t lift says lmao.
Sounds like most Gen Z far-right types lol.>Pol resonates with me and other people my age more than some social revolutionist uprising, at least you can laugh at it
Dude, most people who aren't terminally online don't even know what /pol/ is, and think others even tangentially associated with them to be a bunch of fags. Do you even fucking work? I'm Gen Z also, but I work in trades and interact with other workers my age all the time, and no one is reiterating /pol/ shit. The only time you'll hear crap even somewhat like that is when you deal with older millennials or boomers, or that one lolcow zoomer with an entitlement issue that can barely hide how much they think they are better then everyone else and says shit just to fit in with the older crowd (and even then fucks it up from time to time because that crowd generally still has a bush era mentality of things).(samefagging, bad faith astroturf attempt)
these are all the same people: a coalition of reactionary petit bourgeoisie in the imperial core, usually suburbanite. What you would call the "middle class." i.e. the revolutionary subjects of fascist ideology.
>>1314574>zoomers are even more left-wing than millenials
Gen z are not more left wing. They are more radically liberal.
What challenge has gen z ever made to imperialism?
Nothing like the Iraq war protests nor occupy Wall Street
They have more radical demands for sodomy but that's about it and the US State incorporated that into global imperialism as it's foreign policy(samefagging, bad faith astroturf attempt)
Because they're repugnant.
It was a direct attack on the power centre of imperialism
I don't care that most participating in it didn't conceive of it as such
Also on the idea Gen Z are in anyway more 'left wing'
All NATO nations voted against an anti Nazi resolution this year
All major newspapers are openly publishing photos of Ukrainian soldiers wearing SS totenkopf patches And SS Galician patches https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Panzer_Division_Totenkopf
From Gen Z you don't hear a peep. We're on brink of ww3 and….nothing.
Gen z are fkn pathetic(samefagging, bad faith astroturf attempt)
Their heads are buried in their fucking phones. They'd be useless even if they were radicalized.
They're useless to the US military who's having to lower their standards just to make quota.
>>1316223>Also on the idea Gen Z are in anyway more 'left wing'
I mean, objectively they're far more socially liberal than their prior age groups and more open to "Socialism" as little as they understand it.>All NATO nations voted against an anti Nazi resolution this year
…Do you think Gen Z runs those NATO nations?>All major newspapers are openly publishing photos of Ukrainian soldiers wearing SS totenkopf patches And SS Galician patches
Honestly it wouldn't shock me if normal people don't recognize the Totenkopf badge. The Galician one specifically, I mean, just looks like any other European crest.
So you're basically complaining that Gen Z isn't up in arms about things they don't recognize and something they only engage with superficially (i.e. the Ukraine war)>From Gen Z you don't hear a peep. We're on brink of ww3 and….nothing.
We've had every institution in America basically hollowed out and Gen Z is living through the slow collapse of the Empire with none of the people in charge willing to reverse course. Why is it entirely on them to clean up the fuckups of previous generations.>Gen z are fkn pathetic
Speaking as a Late Millennial, I'd say engaging in generation wars as opposed to class analysis is even moreso. At least with Boomers you can say they lived through the "golden age" of American Capitalism and so you could expect them to be more right wing than most, with Gen Z you're basically fighting ghosts.
The kids are alright.>>1316232>They're useless to the US military who's having to lower their standards just to make quota.
America has had its nutrition poisoned by lax standards for generations. It's completely hollowed out the outside world, and is so car-centric, that you can't get inadvertent exercise most of the time. Its drug laws have become so strict that kids busted doing what kids have done for ages (namely ingesting substances they shouldn't have, liquor in the last century, marijuana in this one) are permanently barred from the military. They're living through a period of intense Imperial Decay and they're smart enough to recognize it, so it's no wonder they're medicated, another thing barring them from service.
Of the few Gen Zers that qualify for military service, even fewer of that want to pursue an Army career.
No wonder Uncle Sam is dealing with recruitment struggles.
>>1316386>No wonder Uncle Sam is dealing with recruitment struggles
Bring brack the draft ez
There are more cops than people willing to fight the cops if it be the case that they do dissent, tho' they be right to do so
Man it's depressing to see how dead /mu/ is
almost no traffic anymore compared to like even 2017, it's sad seeing something I spent so much of my time on just go like that
I’d say the ratio is more like 3:1 in terms of radlibs to far-right. But the ratio of apolitical to political is 10:1 which should be very concerning. Zoomers which I am one
are mostly very nihilistic and apathetic, not just in terms of politics but in life in general. The suiscide rates for this generation is through the roof. Our parents never bothered to raise us and just shoved screens infront of us. Most people in this generation don’t know how to socialize. Zoomers won’t cause a socialist revolution, and we won’t cause a fascist coup either. Life will just get worse and worse as society collapses around us.
>>1316471>But the ratio of apolitical to political is 10:1 which should be very concerning.
Apathy is to be expected given that there isn't really any sort of coherent alternative to capitalism/neoliberalism being offered outside of irrelevant fringe groups and most of what passes for politics in America is just spectacle revolving around owning whatever side you don't like.The left needs to change this of course, but until it does I don't blame people for checking out.
they're apolitical because they realize how bullshit politics is in this country
It's actually a very, very very good sign for us
Also a bigger problem is that most zoomers aren’t properly socialized. We grew up on screens and most of us don’t know our neighbors, don’t have many friends, and don’t know how to meat people. The political issues pf this generation are mostly downstream from the social issues.
I genuinely think social media collapsing would be the best thing for Zoomers, and we're on track for it; TikTok is gonna be banned in the US, Facebook is considered boring, and Twitter is going down the shitter. All that's left is for Instagram to start shitting the bed.
The legacy of the ALT-RIGHT would be a bunch of retarded skinheads shouting the N word
this is why idiots here shouldn't post about their violent fantasies. if you tell them not to do it then they spazz out
The "forever wars" are over now
People are more critical of public spending cuts and allocation towards military bullshit
There's maybe the destabilization in Eastern Europe and the South China Sea disputes but those are nothing compared to the feverish jingoistic peaks of the War on Terror
Honestly man I've seen a shift on reddit now where you can't critique the military budget like you could before
The "but we still don't have healthcare" or "people are homeless and the money goes to war" arguments get you called a Russian bot now and they say the money is necessary to stop china or Russia.
I'm talking about real life, ever heard of it?
Places like reddit are typically more liberal than irl. It leans more left than your average irl demographic.
It's young college aged people or teenagers with a shortage of conservative compared to irl demographics.
I bet you wear cargo shorts and have timid eyes
You can bet anything you want. What i said is true about reddit demographics
>>1314574>why did this idpozed movement without any shred of class consciousness or even coherent material demands fail to achieve anything
It is a mystery.
I don't really see anything blaringly wrong or soy in that comrade's post
reddit definitely leans liberal. antichina shit and ukraine shit is something very prevalent amongst kinda socially left leaning libs and socdems
Consider your life, and then suicide
Are you a chinlet? My life's alright.
>>1316386>I mean, objectively they're far more socially liberal than their prior age groups and more open to "Socialism" as little as they understand it.
This presumes that ideology is a scale and if they go just a bit more left they'll become communists and oppose capitalism in anyway. It's far more likely they're radical liberalism will reinforce and reinvigorate capitalism even if it's dressed in socialist garb. And socially liberal just means "more hyper individualist". Stalni's USSR wasn't socially liberal and neither is modern day DPRK.
Yet both were far more progressive
Look at the "squad" in USA (who talk about socialism) and compare them to rightoid Q people like MJP who actually opposed imperialisms interests in Ukraine >Honestly it wouldn't shock me if normal people don't recognize the Totenkopf badge.
Right but there's been millions of SS logos, swastikas the fascist saying "Slava Ukraina" with little push back from todays Gen Z. On top of an outright vote against the glorification of nazism in the UN.
Where is Gen Z?
Oh, that's right, the cosmopolitan retards in Australia and Britain can get out in droves to protest American police violence (for a month straight lmao) or the Roe V Wade decision. But not the nazification of Western society and support of Nazism in Ukrainehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_Kingdomhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10975257/Roe-v-Wade-protests-break-Australia-residents-demonstrate-against-decision.html
Canada has adopted a Hitlerite policy of openly killing poor people and a program of euthanasia to disabled as the Nazis. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/woman-euthanasia-commercial-wanted-to-livehttps://spectator.com.au/2022/04/why-is-canada-euthanising-the-poor/
The West is nazifying at a rapid pace which will be accelerated by the Ukraine war (with weapons flowing into nazis hands all over Europe and whatever version of Operation Gladio they're currently on)
and Gen Z have done fuck all about it
they're all feeling the economic pressure, the low wages, shit jobs etc effect on their families, on them directly depending. They're alienated at a very high degree, especially but the internet and communication technology allowing people to live in something that's almost like a long range approximation of the human subconscious made real - proles don't have the money to hang out with friends and work at the same time, especially not people being born into a shit economy
the next massive downturn you'll have zoomers fearing homelessness more will become radical. They know nothing but the slow anxiety of post 9/11 and a massive downturn and covid to current day.
>>1316640>during the next economic downturn the youth with topple capitlaism<didn’t happen in 08<didn’t happen during 2020<isn’t happening rn, despite the fact that we are already in a recession
face it, we live in the evil timeline, sense 1991 Porky has ruled the world, the left has been bought off with social issues, and every resistance movement has been co-opted and bought off. Their will be no revolution, just an ever accelerating collapse of modern civilization. The communist movement passed its window of opportunity in 1919, in 1945, and 1975. All hope for a better tomorrow has been smashed. Porky won. We lost.
>>1316886>>during the next economic downturn the youth with topple capitlaism
Nowhere was this said, simpleton.
>>1316635>It's far more likely they're radical liberalism will reinforce and reinvigorate capitalism even if it's dressed in socialist garb.
I think that's possible.
>Stalni's USSR wasn't socially liberal and neither is modern day DPRK.
Stalin's USSR also wasn't an internet-connected 21st-century service economy, it was a rapidly industrializing country that had just barely emerged from feudalism in which much of the place didn't just lack pre-industrial values in many places but pre-*bourgeois* ones, so more like the 14th century and the 20th century existing side-by-side and colliding into each other and producing… Stalin.
It couldn't have been any other way. The way I look at it, these are particular forms of socialism that emerged as part of a developing process, not an end stage. Stalin's USSR had a dual character because Stalin carried on the revolution but also shifted direction in a half-conservative way, but I think that made sense – or followed a dialectical logic – in a country where most of the population, again, were peasants (albeit being turned into workers at a rapid pace). This wasn't unprecedented, Napoleon did something similar, which many Jacobins did indeed see as a betrayal of the revolution at that time. And call me a crypto-Trotskyist if you want but I think a country can be socialist and worth being defending on those terms while also looking kinda "ugly" or distorted in some way because of circumstances not of their own choosing.
Point being, to suggest that the Western left adopt the social value of the average Russian in 1934 is a LARP and a fantasy. These were simple people of the land, anon. Nor would most Chinese in 2022 believe the CPC if they started talking about Xi Jinping the way the CPSU talked about Stalin as a godlike genius at the peak of his personal power and prestige, because people simply wouldn't believe it.
>Look at the "squad" in USA (who talk about socialism) and compare them to rightoid Q people like MJP who actually opposed imperialisms interests in Ukraine
MJP doesn't make policy though – and just watch those rightoid Q people line up behind DeSantis in 2024, whose top spokesperson is was some Zelensky advisor who used to work in Ukraine. But the right has always been like this, in Weimar the right flew a half-dozen different flags under the banner of the national socialists, crusty monarchists, national conservative "revolutionaries," or Catholic "democrats" all with some particular thing that people like you, back then, could point to and say "see, this group of black-garbed reactionaries *opposes* Versailles and the interests of the Anglo capitalists in the Fatherland" or whatever.
they just want to emphasise socially conservative3 aspects of Stalin, to appeal to reactoids, because they think they have more revolutionary potential, and to get away from the image of the left as blue hair effeminate cucks
>>1316957>they just want to emphasise socially conservative3 aspects of Stalin, to appeal to reactoids, because they think they have more revolutionary potential, and to get away from the image of the left as blue hair effeminate cucks<playing culture warriors at their own game in their own terms
Thats fun to believe. Imagine how dumb one would have to be IRL to try this and expect
positive results.. Maybe it is something I will write a collection of short fiction stories on one day!
how do you know that
Yeah, I know that. But I think all of the people involved in this argument are pretty far removed from the social conditions of Russia in the 1930s-1940s, myself and these "conservative communists" as much as modern-day anarchists are to conditions of Spain at that time, and what Stalin might've actually told everyone here is "get a job" or "can you carry a rifle, if you can't, too bad you're carrying one anyways."
To use the analogy again it's like asking to pick a side between Napoleonic France and the Holy Alliance. Napoleon was a despot surrounded by a group of rather conservative interests (although not exclusively), yet the practical alternative only offered a return to the old order and old dynasties, which Napoleon's excesses helped give a new lease on life. Stalin was much the same way.
That's the lesson for "conservative communists." But for me, I don't believe you have to love a thing – or love everything about a thing – to defend it. Since my values are probably not like Stalin's in some important ways. But that isn't really the point.
It’s not the image of the left as effeminate, the issue is that libertine social values have are an integral part of the capitalist superstructure.
I think we have different definitions of decadence.
>>1316943>These were simple people of the land
Workers in Stalin's period were highly literate people with a thirst for the written word as the country stepped out of illiteracy
The average Soviet worker was highly clued up on world culture, cultural and current affairs.
If an average Soviet worker in 1934 engaged in conversation with a 2022 American(any NATO country actually) worker they'd think they were uncultured fucking retards>Stalin's USSR also wasn't an internet-connected 21st-century service economy,
Exactly so follow your own logic anon. If the economic base is completely parasitic on the IMF/World Bank rape and looting of the globe why would this produce a progressive superstructure?>It couldn't have been any other way. The way I look at it, these are particular forms of socialism that emerged as part of a developing process, not an end stage.
Whilst I agree (to an extent) why does the DPRK (the most advanced proletarian dictatorship) have the same social values as Stalin's USSR?
Can you outline why "socially liberal" values are "progressive" and not, in fact, a trend toward reaction?
Why are the most imperialist and violent nations for instance also the most "socially progressive?
Tons of very poor people are fat though, that's not a good indicator of how decadent someone is in modern America given just how absurdly prevalent obesity is. I've lived in the South my whole life, and the poorest areas are often the fattest.
How do you know someone is a consumerist because of them being a blue-haired libtard? I think you just hate them for the blue hair and libtardism but want to sound like there's some principled socialist reason for your hatred.
>>1316471>Our parents never bothered to raise us and just shoved screens infront of us.
my personal belief is that this is the very crux of the zoomers degeneration into abject failures (no offense intended, its not your fault, your parents chose to abandon your generation)
A 'consumerist' is one who has unnecessary purchases? How do we define these things?>>1317106
They didn't 'choose'. They had many material pressures pushing them into 'abandoning'. Don't be absurd!
is liberalism particularly libertine to the vast majority of proles though? I Guess if you're rich that might be the case but even then there are quite a few richfags out there that don't drink or party or do much aside from horde wealth.
Polygamy has only ever benefited licentious degen men
It's why Thomas Sanakara outlawed polygamy in Burkino Faso<His administration promoted gender equality in a very male-dominated society (including outlawing female circumcision and polygamy). As Sankara told a local audience in 1984: “Socially, [women] are relegated to third place, after the man and the child — just like the Third World, arbitrarily held back, the better to be dominated and exploited.”https://africasacountry.com/2016/10/thomas-sankara-the-upright-man/
It seems disingenuous to me to compare modern conceptions of non-monogamous relationships with more traditional types of polygamy that served to entrench male power.
Also, the guy you are replying to is clearly a baiting /pol/ack retard. Please do not succumb.
I think there's a way to rectify both those definitions and groups - the commonality is the degree and comfort by which they impose on others, and take advantage of certain resources to do so.
The whole "rich guy with a golden toilet" or "Eyes Wide Shut stereotype orgy w/ flowing champagne over naked bodies" is certainly one type of decadence. Its a lavish , vulgar display for minimal gain (ie you're not even going to be able to savor that wine bottled before the French Revolution properly off someone's navel, you're just doing it to literally splash cash because you can and enjoy doing so). This makes it different from say… buying a set of Japanese urushi lacquerware from a Living National Treasure artisan. The latter is exceptionally expensive, but that artisan will spend their working hours for half to a year in creation of the set, so its expense isn't just because but the materials, time, and experience involved in its creation (and for those wondering traditional artisans are subsidized in Japan so it isn't like if they don't sell it they don't eat). and applying to buy a creation because you appreciate its beauty and are willing to wait for it, will likely become a heirloom passed down your family with a story of peerless craftsmanship etc.. is expensive, but not "decadent". Using it as a toilet once and them dumping it into the trash? Decadent, as well as thousand other horrible things. Decadent isn't simply "buying something others can't afford".
In the same way, the stereotypical "bluehair" imposes on social wealth, conventions and the like. Its the "how dare you not say I'm a strong, brave, and beautiful woman! You'll lose your job once I tell everyone on twitter you're a transphobe!" argument writ large. Note that those scraping every day to survive didn't usually have time and opportunity to yell about how its morally viable to just take whatever you want from white people, or that men are all rapists, or whatever sort of other thing usually associated with the bluehair stereotype. Their wealth comes in a new form of social capital and, often instead of being used for overall improvement, its wasted on petty vengeance or well…virtue signalling. Instead of one emperor demanding the whole kingdom say how wonderful his new clothes are, its thousands in their virtual fiefdoms that never the less can have real impact, good or bad and in that stereotype, often bad. There is a certain kind of decadence in that kind of demand that in a way is even worse because its a sort of crab-bucket behavior from those close to the rest of the proletariat and as such attempts to use that closeness (or marginalization claims etc) as a shield against any critique of their bad behavior. Its not Sauron empowered by the One Ring to smash armies , its Gollum who will clutch the precious when it falls into his hands, looking both twisted and pitiable, but also dangerous , ready to turn at a moment and backstab any who threaten what he covets.
>>1317129>is liberalism particularly libertine to the vast majority of proles though?
Who do you think consume the most drugs, alcool, porn and prostitutes between the average GOP spokeperson like Tucker or MTG and their prole voter base? It's obviously the later.
Go outside, get a job, interatct with actual people. Because everything you are saying is divorced from the real world. >>1317074>If the economic base is completely parasitic on the IMF/World Bank rape and looting of the globe why would this produce a progressive superstructure?
As mentioned before, the superstructure doesn't exist in a one way relationship with the base, the base in many ways will shape itself as developments in the superstructure make themselves apparent. For example, during the cold war the US was very much openly imperialistic, but the culture in the US went through radical political shifts domestically in part to how many groups of people chafed under it. As such, the economy adapted to adjust to and subsume what were genuinely radical and revolutionary movements, and so to did the state. You have to separate the social movements of the workers from the economic culture which seeks to subsume it. >Whilst I agree (to an extent) why does the DPRK (the most advanced proletarian dictatorship) have the same social values as Stalin's USSR?
The DPRK isn't the "most advanced proletarian dictatorship", it's a state who's culture has been shaped by it's conditions, those conditions being global isolation and economic/technological stagnation. It's perpetually under siege and locked off from the rest of the world, and so lacks the social developments that states like the GDR had. It's social values are also radically different from that of "Stalin's" USSR. >>1317080>>1317135
Abolition of the institution of marriage isn't the same as the removal of monogamy. >>1317130>>1317143
Engels doesn't argue the necessity of needing to prohibit polygamy, rather he argued that monogamy would simply become the dominant type of relationship as communism developed.
I swear, most of you don't read Marx or Engels. You just take your preexisting social views, then selectively go into Marx and Engels to try and quote mine and justify said views. You don't derive your views from theory, you use theory to try and rationalize your already held views.
>>1317074>If an average Soviet worker in 1934 engaged in conversation with a 2022 American(any NATO country actually) worker they'd think they were uncultured fucking retards
There was incredibly progress and they definitely made an effort to educate people but don't believe everything you read about socialist countries when they said everyone was just like Gagarin either. Again, dual character, this was a federation that spanned a big chunk of the Eurasian landmass and was full of people who at the start didn't have written languages and then it's an atomic power in a few decades with mass literacy. That was an extreme paradox which produced Stalin who also had a dual character like with the quasi-theological element which he introduced, representative of the social outlook of Russia at that time. This is why I defend Stalin while not being a "Stalinist" myself.
>Whilst I agree (to an extent) why does the DPRK (the most advanced proletarian dictatorship) have the same social values as Stalin's USSR?
Because the DPRK has been stuck in the 1950s. It's in some senses a modern-day "Sparta," and in the 1990s even pulled partially back from industrial mechanized agriculture because of the lack of inputs which used to come from the USSR. In short, North Korea is still in the stage of the wartime economy rather than a normal circumstance, which makes what they do rational, if "ugly" to look at. But that's not their own fault. When technology is more advanced in the world, the kind of economic planning that North Korea does could be a model for the whole world, just without its police state of course and a big chunk of the resources going toward feeding the military, as ugly but necessary as it is right now.
>Can you outline why "socially liberal" values are "progressive" and not, in fact, a trend toward reaction?
Because everything has two sides.
Most developed countries are no longer agriculture-based civilizations, which were male-led conservative societies which required greater population to grow more food to feed more people etc. until the industrial revolution, when we began to need women and gays to participate in production again, which led to their liberation. We need women to work. We also need gays. They can't reproduce in the agricultural society, but they can contribute a lot in modern times. So this material need leads to their liberation.
Why did the American civil war break out? Was it because the Yankees were "socially liberal" angels while the Dixies were "socially conservative" devils? No. It was because industrialization in the north needed the liberation of slaves to promote capitalism. But in the south, agriculture was still dominating. So in this case, Christianity was used to justify the liberation of slaves, despite the fact that it was used to promote slavery in the past. So values (like religions) are always part of a dynamic process related to productivity.
>>1317093>being poor in extremely rich countries doesn't bar someone from being decedent
Well, I see the right using words like "degenerate" or "decadent" (although they don't use decadent as much) to mean aesthetically "ugly." But the poor are usually ugly compared to the rich, because they're poor. You can find a lot of decadents who are beautiful on the outside because they're rich, but they're ugly on the inside. After all, the United States is "prettier" to look at than North Korea.
anon you must remember that not that long ago a lot of tankflag posters here were just straight up calling proletarians retarded
I swear people on image boards have such a huge ego that just seems to be rather unwarranted for some reason.
people want to unwind with a beer regardless or not they have rich parents to buy that shit for them anon.
>It's this guy
you should've just stuck to your weird scthick on /usapol/
>yes and buying beer when you're living pay check to pay check is retarded
Who the fuck cares? Moralising about the 'unproductive' things that poor people spend their money on for a little bit of endorphine rush in the hellscape we live is not a helpful thing to do. It is just mirroring conservative talking points also.
i walked a lot today, the weather is nice. Maybe you should do so.
I'm going on a walk here shortly with a whole dog.
Try to be fucking coherent.
rich people are just less generous and empathetic anon.
Anon, saying 'seethe' and demanding an argument every time everyone thinks you're a massive retard isn't the winning strategy you appear to understand it as.
Having seen you attempt this strat several times and in a gracious mood I decide you should be informed, no need for thanks, gg soon anon :)
>>1317154>The DPRK isn't the "most advanced proletarian dictatorship
I'm sorry in the world right now it is.
You need only read their newspapers or consume their media (their films and music are almost entirely about socialism or working class culture)
Dprk is the most advanced socialist state on earth >It's perpetually under siege and locked off from the rest of the world, and so lacks the social developments that states like the GDR had.
The social development of a liberal class being cultivated and ready to sell their proletarian State to the imperialists for a visa card to West Germany so they could feed from the trough of imperialism?>It's social values are also radically different from that of "Stalin's" USSR.
Almost a mirror image. Read for instance what Kim Jong Il university put out in 2016 on LGBT https://redarmy.online/viewtopic.php?t=30
Then read what Stalinhttps://www.marxist.com/letter-to-stalin-can-a-homosexual-be-in-the-communist-party.htm
I Have to ask what is your own personal views on homosexuality is
>>1317159>Because the DPRK has been stuck in the 1950s. It's in some senses a modern-day "Sparta," and in the 1990s even pulled partially back from industrial mechanized agriculture because of the lack of inputs which used to come from the USSR.
How is it Dprks fault that their main oil supplier (Soviet Union) collapsed and the US refused them the ability to buy oil on the international market?>In short, North Korea is still in the stage of the wartime economy rather than a normal circumstance, which makes what they do rational, if "ugly" to look at. But that's not their own fault. When technology is more advanced in the world, the kind of economic planning that North Korea does could be a model for the whole world, just without its police state of course and a big chunk of the resources going toward feeding the military, as ugly but necessary as it is right now.
So? Socialism means an endless bitter war to the death against the capitalists.
What you mean is they are more "class conscious" by geopolitical necessity and their refusal to rely on other nations (which I would agree on…them being the most class conscious and advanced dotp and being the frontline against imperialism)(samefagging, bad faith astroturf attempt)
I frankly don't even really see how homosexuality is particularly bourgeoisie though? Like I think his >>1317159
explanation makes a lot more sense as to why the capitalist nations are becoming more accepting of the homos and shit. They have also lowered their discriminatoin against local blacks and the like as well. Should all be racists just to spite captialists that live in our head?
It just seems like a bunch of baseless insults.
>>1317223>How is it Dprks fault
I think you agree with that anon but are being combative.>>1317235<Maybe Marxism is too complex for you if you can't understand these things
You're the same fag who called proles retarded because they wanted to drink beer after a long week of work.
my issue ere is with your lack of empathy.
>>1317227>I frankly don't even really see how homosexuality is particularly bourgeoisie though?
Do your own research and really study the LGBT movement
Karl Ulrich Wikipedia calls the "first homosexual"(Engels wrote some interesting stuff on him) who admitted his sexual drive was the same as murdering pederasts
Magnus Hirschfield, a Zionist and friend of pederasts
Alfred Kinseys fraudulent research which started the sexual revolution, a sadist, paedophile (funded by the Rockefeller Foundation) and died of orchitis. The Rockefeller also funded the Population Council where as part of population reduction in the Jaffe Memo they came up with "encourage homosexuality"
John Money, Harvard prof, a paedophile who's fraudulent research was uncovered by Calapintos book(samefagging, bad faith astroturf attempt)
>>1317253>Karl Ulrich Wikipedia calls the "first homosexual"
That's why you shouldn't trust everything you read on Wikipedia lol
>Anon the USSR lost and North Korea is a regarded as a freak show zoo by the majority of people.
>Anon laughs at tankie anon
>Goes back to eating out of bucket, hasn't read a full book since he was 18 and has rotted his brain out with pornography
No it doesn't. It says 'Ulrichs has been described [by Volkmar Sigusch] as the "first gay man in world history.'
Feel free to ignore her (though she did the most thorough destruction of his 'research')
And watch this documentary instead
i'm sorry mate but i can't take this shit seriously and I'm not watching a fucking documentary. I would rather watch super mario 64 speedruns.
>>1317259<Reisman postulated a physical mechanism to account for the dangers she ascribed to pornography: when viewed, an addictive mixture of chemicals (such as glucose sic) which she dubbed "erototoxins", floods the brain, causing harmful influences to it. (…)<Further, if pornography can "subvert cognition", then "these toxic media should be legally outlawed, as is all other toxic waste, and eliminated from our societal structure." Finally, individuals who have suffered brain damage from "pornography are no longer expressing 'free speech' and, for their own good, shouldn't be protected under the First Amendment."
I get the impression this anon thinks it was totally justified for Pol Pot to just kill guys wearing classes and he TOTALLY HAD TO DO IT GUYS BECAUSE SOMETHING SOMETHING INTELLIGENTSIA CAPITALISTS SOMETHING.
>NOOOOOO THE WONDERFUL BASED DPRK AND USSR NEVER DID ANYTHING WRONG THEY WERE ALL FORCED BY THE CAPITALISTS TO DO OPPRESSIVE THINGS TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE >ITS JUST WAR TO THE END HEY TAKE A PAMPHLET JOIN MY BRIGADES WHY ARE YOU WALKING AWAY DONT YOU WANT TO DIE TODAY FIGHTING AGAINST PORKY HURRR
Not sure if just edgy or completely disconnected from reality but either way, please get some rest anon. its not good for you.(samefagging, bad faith astroturf attempt)
>>1317208>You need only read their newspapers or consume their media (their films and music are almost entirely about socialism or working class culture)
That doesn't prove your claim, you can point to any socialist country and observe this. And define "working class culture". >Dprk is the most advanced socialist state on earth
How is it the most advanced when it's isolated and lacks the very material resources necessary to sufficiently develop itself fully.
]The social development of a liberal class being cultivated and ready to sell their proletarian State to the imperialists for a visa card to West Germany so they could feed from the trough of imperialism?
Never happened, and the cases used as examples are highly exaggerated. Most people moved across the border for family, and in both directions. >Almost a mirror image. Read for instance what Kim Jong Il university put out in 2016 on LGBT https://redarmy.online/viewtopic.php?t=30>Then read what Stalin https://www.marxist.com/letter-to-stalin-can-a-homosexual-be-in-the-communist-party.htm
The reasoning for both of these are completely different, and homosexuality is not the only social "issue" which exists. Marxism is a living science, so regardless of what is said here, we must always be willing to challenge previously existent social views and understand when we are wrong.
<he really doesn't understand jokes
I'm sad for this man. t's just paifnul. quite literally. painful.
Lmao if you want to cope hard over Judith Reismann being a Christian conservative you don't even need to read her book
Go read Kinseys book where he lays out tables for how long him and his researchers were child rapists https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.187552/page/n192/mode/1up
>>1317271>That doesn't prove your claim, you can point to any socialist country and observe this. And define "working class culture".
Does dprk have a dotp?
Have they built socialism?
Do they have any layers of their socialist society willing to Collaborate with imperialists?
Is a fair criteria and they score better points than Vietnam (who recently allowed US to park a warship), Cuba (who have been liberalising for years) and China (where the question of whether China even has a dotp is up for grabs) >How is it the most advanced when it's isolated and lacks the very material resources necessary to sufficiently develop itself fully.
All you're saying is they haven't opened themselves up to world markets to become captives to. >Never happened, and the cases used as examples are highly exaggerated. Most people moved across the border for family, and in both directions.
Absolutely did. How do you explain the depopulation of east Germany post reunification
>Consumer brain assumes that there is only one bourgeoisie because all of his media franchises are socially liberal and yet ignores the huge shadow industry of conservative shit
You do realize there's a difference between raping children and studying sexual response, right? These studies proved that it wasn't aberrant for children to masturbate even prior to puberty and that sexuality and the neurological circuitry for it was present in one form or another. Kinsey, Masters and Johnson etc…weren't perfect, but they were a major force in scientifically recording a plurality of sexuality and experiences and showing them being more "normal" when previously everything was at best some sort of broken Freudian reference or far more likely was identified as either "sin" or "perversion" if it was anything that polite people didn't speak about. . If you can't conceive of the difference between study of sexuality and rape nor that a christian conservative who hates sexuality may be against the former and will pose it as the latter, I don't know what to tell you.
It's not very convincing. They're like "gay marriage is spreading in the capitalist countries! Ugh!" Really high-level Marxist analysis here.
Faggot, you brought this up in another thread >>1304941
and multiple anons responded to it explaining how it's absurd to extrapolate from two people the attitudes and proclivities of the whole of homosexuals in general, especially when movements like stonewall are added to the discussion. As stated before:
How does this actually prove anything? This is bringing up two people from the past, which happen to be gay, as evidence that modern LGBT activism (which largely emerged in the 1960s in response existing social oppression) is wholly illegitimate. It's both hasty generalization and guilt by association. In regards to the US and LGBT, the reality is that the system is not a one way street. The base shapes the superstructure, but the superstructure also shapes the base, which then in turn shapes the superstructure again. There have been multiple ways the US has presented itself to obfuscate it's interests, and before then it's way of doing so was the clean and tight, happy and obedient, store catalog, white straight suburban family. But as time went on and the world at large went through one of the largest economic revolutions and upheavals of the post-WW2 era, so too did we witness immense social upheaval and revolution as well, one of these being the demand for the civil rights of LGBT people. The people to first demand those rights were not companies or governments, but the common worker, including the unions who represented those workers. Even protections for homosexuals weren't even something that the government thought to take into consideration until the Stonewall riots. It's then, like with black civil rights, that a form of recuperation began, where the radical parts of these movements were defused and the state made faux concessions to some of the base level "rights" demanded. And with a change to the now "accepted" demographic of the US, so too developed a new cultural face to the US and to how the US and the companies within it sold themselves globally, just as it had in the past with other groups before.
The vast majority of fantasy stories are neoliberals larping as protoliberals or jus traight up fascism.
Why does it have to be an either-or? The profit motive has led to the absolutely busted Paradox model AND incompetent people feel empowered to ride social ideology to a point above their station and lessen the quality of the product as a result. Also using "forced diversity" this side of 2016 is idiotic.
I keep getting banned from Reddit so I don't post there anymore.
It honestly blows my mind that you can, without irony, accuse leftists of rehashing the same old arguments when Nazis haven't re-imagined "le huwyte race" in spite of the mountain of disqualifying considerations and huge accumulation of ideological counterfactuals that you're trying to tiptoe away from (like Rushtonian theories on generalised Asian supremacy). The mere fact that WNs in the US can't refocus their efforts away from blacks and towards hispanics (even though that's what French/Belgians did with blacks and nafris) despite how strategically advisable that would be is proof that this is deeply pathological. White supremacy is a Willy Wonka-tier "candy for breakfast" ideology.
the nazis have extended what the "aryan" superrace is. They've accepted irish for example
Lol>Almost no societal problem can be adequately explained by profit motives>Goes on some weird ramble about paradox games.
Beyond paradox games/dlc problems having no relationship to "societal problems" their DLC is predominantly to make money. It's for the pursuit of profit.
Complaining about historical accuracy is pointless because no one wants accuracy, they want fantasy. You can't make profit off of "accuracy" you need some gamification. And if you give, like, east-asia a massive amount of content in the form of a DLC, then you're both expanding markets as well as pleasing your existing market.
Honestly, it never ceases to amaze me how much Rightists don't understand about basic business skills.
Don't forget the slavs!
well, yep, nazism has almost become an internationalist pan-white thing
They haven't, really. Irish and Slavs were both considered predominately "alpine" races in the commonly accepted Madison Grant/Lothrop Stoddard tripartite model of the white races. The annexation of Irish or Slavs to "whiteness" is mostly due to traveling more to the borders of whiteness rather than expanding nordic or aryanhood specifically.
You rarely see a fixation on Slavic or Irish physiognomy, for example. They've just included Ireland or west slavdom as narrative spaces to play their little "defend da west!" spiel.
The times we came closest to seeing sense being knocked into racists was the Soviet victory over Germany in WW2 (Hitler called the Russians the superior race before his suicide) or the introgression of Japanese capitalism in the US in the 80s (I think white supremacist Revilo P Oliver congratulated the Japanese in the late 80s for not spoiling their "pure bloodline" thru miscegenation with the "retarded white race"). But even these events have yielded to American capitalism's ability to re-inscribe racial narratives that would otherwise have expired.
I mean it's because their worldview is entirely socio-cultural.
For example, they think they're the "Real Radicals" because most people find their ideas to be inherently noxious, and they use that noxiousness as evidence: "They wouldn't hate us unless we were really right!" And ignore the fact that people would react just as badly if they tore down their pants and took a massive, wet shit in the middle of a busy restaurant.
They think that because people react worse to their verbal equivalent of shitting themselves than to the guy saying "We should treat everyone with respect and basic dignity" that somehow they're the real radicals. Because after all, wouldn't "those in power" manage to convince people that, actually, Racism is good and empathy is bad if Racism were really bad?
Which is hilarious, because they basically think the ruling class has total power to completely shape how people think, down to the specifics of what they consider good or bad. The imagine the "culture makers" as being able to shift people's views 100%; as if you could convince someone that eating feces is good for them with clever enough marketing.
I find it especially funny to look at in light of my having a marketing degree. People can't be programmed; like you can try to direct them in one way or another, but it's ultimately their own feet that lead them there. Fascism fails because it's fundamentally an anti-human idea, and everything it preaches flies in the face of centuries of social evolution, but these idiots think if they can get enough likes on facebook they can completely change how someone views the world.
The idea of "moulding" and "reshaping" someone's personality is just inherently retarded. You can break their prior personality down, sure, but you won't be able to build what you want in its place. You'll just end up with an anxious, paranoid, broken shell of a person.
this kind of explains all the thielbux being flushed around to various shitholes like stonetoss,redscarepod,tate,whatever the fuck
>>1317599>Does /pol/ and its dead spinoffs really consider random twitter posts to have any value? Do they actually open them up and read them?
unironically yes, look at any thead on any of the 'political' boards on halfchan and most of them are started with and full of twitter screencaps. brain liquefying stuff.
America has essentially proven that Russia is a conventional non-threat in Europe and is openly trying to contain the rise of China in Asia; the containment of rising powers is at the core of neoconservative foreign policy, which is to maintain American military and economic hegemonic domination. This underpins foreign policy today with a decreased (but still present) emphasis on muslim terrorists.
I've been saying this for awhile. There right wing is completely alienated from the culture and even their own made up cultural standards. They are the most bugmen of us all.
Like look at this >>1317329 what the fuck are they talking about. These freaks are watching Netflix and consuming these products and doing racist math or some shit. How do they have the time and money to consume all this media, post about it under anime girls and still have a dog shit nonsense opinion? Who are these people? Who is this appealing too?
these are the same people who are also massive numbers fags. Like normies typically like popular shows but I believe they are less likely to give a shit about how high the actual ratings of say the shit they like over say your typical newchanner who only really watches the most popular shit and shits on anybody who like obscure stuff now. Like go on /a/ and you see people there bragging about how this and that is or isn't as popular as some other bullshit is.
It's like damn, imagine being this much of an opinioncuck that you give a shit about the number of views the shit you consoom has. It's as if being a consumer of products isn't really about just enjoying the product itself but rather it's social value, as you can also see with cars and the like where you want the most expensive one rather than the one that does it's job the best.
People like having rights, I'd assume.
>>1317657>this kind of explains all the thielbux being flushed around to various shitholes like stonetoss,redscarepod,tate,whatever the fuck
Kind of, yeah.
Like here's the thing that I've seen people on 4chan lose their mind over: Diversity Sells. It makes a big fucking profit. When I've pointed this out, that the "Get Woke, Go Broke" meme is the exact opposite of reality, they came at me with a ton of anecdotes: "BUT WUH 'BOUT STRANGE WORLD?!" To which I'd point out that while Strangeworld was
a box office bomb, it's more than made up for by successful "diverse" IPs like Black Panther. Even The Woman King, despite being about an African tribe killing Euros for the right to sell slaves, it still made a killing at the box office IIRC.
But they don't bring that up. Their cultural memory only extends to the failures, like the Ghost Busters female remake. But as I said time and again, those failures are easily
recouped by the successes. They seemed obstinate in believing that if a marketing tactic doesn't work 100% of the time, then it doesn't work period.
Which is ridiculous. If I was marketing smoothies, I'd market them as healthy. I wouldn't use health-based marketing for cigarettes, however. Nor would I expect every gluten-free non GMO product to succeed just because I mentioned "IT'S HEALTHY!"
When it comes to making a billion dollar business, you can either be "woke" or you can be "neutral" but going explicitly conservative is asking to lose money. Because Conservatives basically aren't satisfied by seeing a white guy in a cowboy hat anymore.
Conservatism in general has lost its will to "conserve" anything and so now it's purely hate-based. That makes it impossible to market to, because if you're a private company you don't
want to tell people they shouldn't
buy your product. Libs are easy to market to, you just have a gay couple on screen or an interracial couple, it's no big deal. But because a lot of conservatives are fucking brain poisoned, they'll treat that as a personal attack on anyone who isn't
gay or mixed race.
So Right-Wing companies barely break the mainstream or become as profitable as their liberal equivalents. They're a niche with little room for competition, kind of like how Paradox is one of the largest Grand Strategy Game producers out there.
Take Black Rifle Coffee Company; they're pretty gleeful about being run by Navy SEALs and market their stuff to idiots who think buying "COLT MAGNUM COFFEE" makes them a badass. But the fact is that just appeals to people who like Navy Seals and 'Murica.
Which is an incredibly small demographic.
A Liberal might buy an American flag t-shirt ironically, but you wont convince him to buy your stuff just
because you printed a flag on it. A conservative will.
And the weird thing is, Right Wingers seem to think we (as in marketers) are actively trying to make people more liberal. They're mad at us for not making, I dunno, some Axe body spray commercial where we claim it's "FOR STRAIGHT MEN ONLY!" As though we should be "forcing" the consumer to like what rightoids like, instead of marketing to their preferences.
You can't force someone to like what you do. It's hard enough to get them to sit down and stare at the goddamn advertisement, and now you're saying it should be an advertisement that's selling patriotism
instead of body spray? Where's the fucking money in making people patriotic? There's firms the army pays for that.
As for why Peter Thiel is supporting all these weird ventures with Thielbux. He's got the money I guess, but I think he's more or less just trying to shore up the ideological superstructure. What I mean by that, is that proselytizing via mass media alone isn't really efficient. It's a fetishization of politics the same as someone thinking "one good speech" could catapult a person into political office. However, the speeches and rallies and propaganda is all important for keeping people invested in the project. It keeps it from becoming a tertiary thing to their personality. Having a podcast they can listen to, if only to fill the void as they sit in their bedroom tap-tap-tapping away at some LED gaming keyboard, it's important that there's an option for them that can reinforce your own worldview and beliefs. Part of the reason Rush was so successful was that his audience would maybe turn him on while in traffic, if only to hear another human voice, and then he'd give these impassioned diatribes, playing off the ambient misery they feel in traffic, and they'd start nodding along. Because he'd psyche them up and then give them catharsis.
In terms of making them feel right or their enemies humiliated.
Basically it can make normal people sympathetic to them, and people who are already sympathetic may turn into fanatics upon continued exposure.
>>1317866>Even The Woman King, despite being about an African tribe killing Euros for the right to sell slaves, it still made a killing at the box office IIRC.
>>1317909>spamming two replies literally who twitter accounts.
Yes, yes. Noticed. Now fuck off.
Are you one of the accounts getting clowned on
Learn to use the retweet function, twitoid faggot.
This is literally a thread about online right wing discourse. You're either a dumbass hothead or someone that doesn't want dirty laundry being aired, or both.
This is a fake, sensationalized, racist piece of shit movie from the "mondo" genre satirized by Cannibal Holocaust
>>1317280>Does dprk have a dotp?>Have they built socialism?>Do they have any layers of their socialist society willing to Collaborate with imperialists?
Is a fair criteria and they score better points th
Again, you can point to any socialist country for this. >an Vietnam (who recently allowed US to park a warship), Cuba (who have been liberalising for years) and China (where the question of whether China even has a dotp is up for grabs)
The DPRK has relations with all of these countries, it practically depends on China for what outside resources it can get. >All you're saying is they haven't opened themselves up to world markets to become captives to.
And in effect, become captives trapped in perpetual isolation from other countries by means of that market. Its socialism relegated to a singularly throttled econimic node, as opposed to an expansive network strangling capitalism globally. >Absolutely did. How do you explain the depopulation of east Germany post reunification
Because the conditions degraded and East Germany was left entirely unsupported.
Their is no such thing as conservitism anymore because the status quo is decisively socially liberal. Most people sleep around and do one night stands. Most people are pro-gay and are supportive of immigration. Really the only part of the right thats left is social reactionaries. And these people by in large don’t consume media for political reasons, at least mainstream media. /pol/ didn’t go to theaters to see the northman, they called it jewish for being made by Hollywood. Social reactionaries don’t have the power or numbers to influence the rest of society, all they can do is form insular communities.
Aaaand this thread has now expired in terms of any quality discourse
yeah pretty much
>>1318612>Their is no such thing as conservitism anymore because the status quo is decisively socially liberal. Most people sleep around and do one night stands
An inconsistent and hypocritical social conservative/trad (most of them are) is still a social conservative, just a "bad" one on a purely personnal level.
Ron Deepstatis is still a social conservative for trying to outlaw trans peoples and gay teachers and abortion even if he does bisexual coke fueled orgies with his fed buddies on the side.
That liboftiktok woman is still a social conservative for calling LGBT people groomer pedophiles and being a member of some freakish orthodox jewish sect even if she's a chidless cosmopolitan.
Hershel Walker is still a social conservative for trying to outlaw abortion and trans peoples even if he's a genuine retard womanizer that don't raise his kids and fucked 10km/h of womens and paid for their abortion afterward.>Most people are pro-gay and are supportive of immigration.
IDK about the last part lol. All my white midwestern buddies and coworkers i had were tolerant of LGBT peoples (as long as they could make fag/transhumanist jokes) but fucking hated blacks/latinos and brown peoples in general and were often talking about race war shit.
>>1318612>Most people sleep around and do one night stands.
Retarded west germany tier take on conservative politics ,like yes the nazis were faggots and drug addicts but that doesnt make them less fascist reactionaries(imo right wing social politics are just a smoke screen for their bouj takes, its easier for a racist to accept libertarian economics) , like slave owners raped their slaves all the time and many preists are crypto homos >Most people are pro-gay
I semi agree with you but there is a reason why the right tries to appeal to radical evangelicals and catholics rather than being theocratic mainline prods>supportive of immigration
HHAHAHHAAHAHAHHA Come to europe bro
>>1318707<he's still taing about those weird nafo guys on twitter
give it a rest you hyper fixated autistic.
>>1318799>Come to Europe
I went to Berlin and couldn’t find an ethnic German under the age of 50. The only young white people I saw were poles. Europe IS
>>1318816>I went to Berlin
No you didn't.
I would love to know the story behind the time you flew to Berlin to search out and survey young German white people, anon. Please tell me this story.
I was on vacation with my family, we were on a U bon and most of the people in the car were Middle Eastern or African decent. Most of the other people were old Boomers. And this was the case wherever we went. Their were some young white people but I could hear them talking to each other in what was clearly a slavic language. If you don’t believe me the. You should go to Berlin.
>>1318824>If you don’t believe me the.
I don't.>You should go to Berlin.
Anon. Try to base your propaganda in things you have real experience with. It will be more affective.
I don’t know when was the last time you went but I went this November. Anyways I don’t care if you believe me, I’m just talking about what I saw.
I was in Berlin 6 month ago and there was plenty of actual germans my age, altho probably not the majority.
But regardless it's not because a place if full of foreigners that "we" want them here or like them, they are mostly imported and supported by our local capitalists.
It's like saying palestinians are tolerants of Israelites and Jews because most of Israel and Jews are on palestianian land.
Yes but you have to unnderstand that for every young euro who is an immigrant or was raised with immigrants(like me) there are plenty of people over 35 that think immigrants=criminal rapists even the eastern euro ones
The "alt-right" wasn't an ideology
Despite what you might constantly hear from cynics, you do need a coherent set of beliefs and ideas to be able to stick around in politics
Aside from extremely vague misogyny and racism and a little bit of Christian fundamentalism, the crux of the movement was just helping get Trump elected and keeping him in power and triggering the "libs" along the way. That's not really something that has holding potential.
>>1318840>they are mostly imported and supported by our local capitalists.
Local capitalists don't hire them, they are here because it was the cause of every left-wing party of Europe. The means by which they come here are left-wing NGOs donating time, work, and money to bring them here. The cruise ships bring them from the shores of Libya are not sponsored by any company, they are sponsored by NGOs. That is why to limit mass-immigration into Hungary, Orban didn't go after companies, he went after George Soros and left-wing NGOs
Lol no ,germany and other northern european peak and choose the best immigrants especiallyu the one from middle east ,eu also fund bandit gangs to control migrants in lybia while fucking over greece,bulgaria and turkey
Also most agricultural and constrution jobs are given to migrants
for the same reason the left is also failing hard to achieve anything tangible: they're a sectarian, disorganized lot and they aren't willing to put in the work.
btw since you are new her lets me help you understand why european capitalist need the poor souls from africa and asia(as well as eastern europe in the 90s)
Historically th european workers movement was strong enough to make demands on the capitalist class ,post ww2 the destroyed german world required more hands to keep its rapidly expanding industry ,migrants from southern europe went to belgium and germany while other powers imported from the colonies
The native workers started unionizing even in southern europe ,whith costruction and industry workers being the most radical , the companies that could move did but the docks,the construction sector and the land owners couldnt ,so in the 90s when the neoliberal attack happened first poor guys and girls from the eastern block were imported ,now you can bribe the native working class(who was the only people who could vote unlike the migrants) ,unions broke up with the many native unionist becoming foremen, farmers could employ immigrant farm hands(who are literally treated like slaves) and capitalism in europe could survive by offering natives more dignified jobs without manual labour ,this is the reason europeans have houses and degrees unlike the americans
Now since even the first waves of migrants have become educated you see service jobs becoming more and more shit and slavs and albanians becoming foremen to african labour ,tech advancments monopolizes the farm industry and new megacorps eradicate native petit bouj competition while exploiting native and immigrant working class
Pretty much all of this. The right-wing tourists we get here are a fantastic example.
Look at Thingnoticer. Dude fits the first post to a tee, he thinks that just getting a negative reaction from spamming twitter screencaps proves his dogshit anime forum amateur-anthropology right. Rightoids like him are literally in a state of arrested development, they're children who are brain damaged enough to think there's literally any correlation between the truth of a given statement and the emotional tenor of the reaction they get. Their entire worldview centers around being a justification for being an obnoxious child on a playground.
They got the EU to embrace allowing african migrants to drown in the Mediterranean in mass post covid which is basically all they ever gave a shit about as the millions displaced from the war in Ukraine get the population percentages of """whites""" in western europe back to their preferred levels
The Biden administration is even building their fucking wall on the mexican border
If you consider their goal to be a coarsening of the culture though it looks even more of a total victory with fucking late night liberal talk show hosts embracing the same talking points as the youtube "skeptic community" ran with in 2014; "liberal" politicians sounding even more obscene then bush era republicans from biden's weekly racist remark to macron's monthly speech on the need for migrants to "assimilate" into french """"culture"""".
it gives me no joy to say this but at the end of the day they got what they wanted. They got their neo-white supremacist western order and collapsing global supply chain which will lead to millions starving in the third world and actual decrease in their own standard of living. But hay, at least dave chappelle made it socially acceptable to make anti-semetic jokes again; they'll take this as a win, and considering the myopic uninspired limitations of their goals it cant really be denied that it is a fucking "win" for them; as base and idipol as it is.
Its not even entertaining how retarded the user base has become in 4chan. It used to be fun to mock them and shill them against each other. Now its just sad and not worth my time because they are already self sabotaging themselves with their low autism score bullshit.
True tbh. We all like to make fun of retards like thingnoticer but the truth of the matter is that these "people" are the way they are not necessarily because of their ideology but because of capitalism atomizing us and transforming us into schizoids, and this effect applies both to the left and the right which is why everyone on the internet are unhinged retards with no discipline necessary for organizing or political action beyond self-radicalization and soyjak spamming.
This, ultimately, is the result why any radical politics in the post-soviet world failed miserably and ultimately the undoing of the alt-right which is really just a mirror of the collapse of the new left decades back
Also this, it's why I keep telling people to stop paying attention to /ISG/ shit, you are sabotaging your brain
Just go to any fucking farm in Europe and chances are you will see underpaid south asian farmhands. It boggles the mind how europeans can clearly see Qatar's labour system as the slave structure that it is but when it comes to EVROPA the migrants are there because "muh white guilt" or "globohomo NGOs" because implicit within this is the belief that europe is somehow too advanced for slave labour.
>>1314668> any hope of them creating an organized political movement in the near future has been completely quashed.
I mean yeah but really depends on how you define "near future"
The beer hall putsch was a full decade before the NSDAP assumed power in 33 but they still took power none the less. The presidential candidate for the Front National has won 10% of the vote in every election they've made it into the second round (20%>30%>40%) with an adequate use of tact and the right crisis the american far right could absolutely attain a more hegemonic electoral power just as their fellow travelers in poland and hungary and italy have done so already. The midterms were really just product of obscene fuck ups by the GOP establishment, the equivalent of the NSDAP running Ernst Röhm for chancellor, youngkin in virginia and destantis in florida have already shown your average suburban soccer mom is absolutely willing to accept any of the most grotesque elements of right-wing culture war so long as its packaged in an only SLIGHTLY respectable veneer; not constantly screeching about the fucking biblical apocalypse and praising political terrorism like Margery Taylor Green and lauren boebert.
I give the US till the end of the decade before the economic effects of climate change bring the hedgemonic home owner class to the point of accepting one fascist government or another to manage the crisis and to preserve what little of their property value and medicare remain. Could come sooner or later but it WILL come by 2030.
The Christian Right didnt get abortion overturned or prayer brought back into public schools in the 70s to 2000s
They achieved these victories in the 2020s.
Your mistaking electoral popularity for institutional power. And your probably also underestimating popularity as well by just looking at the reduction in church going americans as a percentage. Plenty of protestants who dont step behind into a meeting house any other time then christmas or easter still scream at school board meetings about >>>"""GROOMING!!!!!!!"
and >"""CRITICAL RACE THEORY!!!"
while believing Q-Anon shit and that the covid vaccine is the biblical mark of the beast. These people are still part of the christian right they just give even less of a shit about putting on a show as if that meant anything to them beyond reactionary politics (almost as if they never fucking cared in the first place)
>>1321243> the right has been kind of cringe as of late.
bro cringe is the life blood of all right wing politics
you cant be a rightwinger without being intrinsically "cringe" in one form or another. Didn't stop past right-wing movements from attaining power, and wont be the thing that stops modern right-wing movements from also gaining control of governments. Half the Francoists in the spanish civil war unironically fought to install and absolute monarch in europe in the 20th century, that level of larpy cringe didn't stop them from winning the war and ultimately forcing their ideals on one of the largest nations in europe for 4 decades after.
One important piece of the puzzle here is that they were backed by the US of A for the longest time and if you haven't been paying attention US psyoppery has not been working as well as it used to be. I'm not saying that there wouldn't be more right-wing people getting into power but then again I also said that they fundamentally wouldn't be able to do shit and you should also see the fact that a lot of those governments don't even really have high voter participation rates.
Also it's not just about being "Cringe" or whatever, it's also about not looking weak or like a pussy. If you handwring and kvetch like a libcuck then that means that you have been assravished and as such lose clout. Being a moralfag is just something that you say to people to get them off your back but if you actually take it seriously that means that your ass is ravished and people can smell the blood of a bottom bitch.
I am quite simply not terribly pessimistic.
>>1316635>But not the nazification of Western society and support of Nazism in Ukraine
There is no nazification of the West, and using one enemy to fight another enemy hardly means you support them.
You are a fucking retard, Christians are irrelevant.
>>1321139>Also most agricultural and constrution jobs are given to migrants
Those are Eastern European immigrants, not African or Middle-Eastern. >>1321139
>Lol no ,germany and other northern european peak and choose the best immigrants especiallyu the one from middle east
When the left is not working to get as many of these people as possible into Europe, they complain about racist hiring practices. Less than half of the adult men work, even after living here for over a decade, and those who do drive cabs or run errands Uber eats or similar delivery apps. Or immigration policies are not run by cab companies and food delivery services, they are run by left-wing NGOs and activists. No company in Europe wants to be associated with mass-immigration, they want to be associated BLM and other movements for terminally online leftists.
>>1321198>Just go to any fucking farm in Europe and chances are you will see underpaid south asian farmhands.
There are no South Asian farmhands, the labour force we import is entirely slavic. This is why unions want slavic immigration to be regulated, but they are completely indifferent to the non-white immigration
>>1321526>replying to a dumb post from last year just to say this
Stop believing dumb shit
What the fuck are you smoking? Most slavic migrants work in intermediate service jobs. This is le "whites slaves are the ones who suffer the most" shit all over again
Your source is bunk, I have never seen an Indian farm hand in any of the countries I have been in. I have seen Kiwi shearers, which is the closest thing.
I thought we were talking about the alt right and not this ridiculous thing neither of you will agree on
I'm not a christian.
You're an impulsive idiot who will reply to this.
That's not the dumb belief in question, retard
Right-wingers were the same kind of grifter ghouls as left-wingers - talking about the people who do "serious" politics. They were all bought and sold. If there's a crisis, those people won't propose solutions, those people will instead toe the line
Yes because you trust capitalist overlords to grant you it
>>1321534>Those are Eastern European immigrants, not African or Middle-Eastern.
It's all of them expect maybe sub-saharan africans, without forgetting the ones from south asia and southeast asian. I have been working as a seasonal laborer several years and i have seen all kind of ethnicities, mostly morrocans/indians/pakistanis/burman/thai and eastern euro tho.>When the left is not working to get as many of these people as possible into Europe
Both political side are very much responsible of this, reminder that the reason for mass non-white immigration is due to legal immigration, visas, and family grouping laws, not some leftist NGO saving a few africans drowning in the medditteranea as their numbers are ridiculous in comparison, most NGOs just help migrants to deal with paperwork shit and expired visas, meaning they were already there legally.
Also i don't know how is it in your country but in mine (France) it's right-wing conservative parties and presidents (namely Valérie Giscar Destaing, Jacques Chirac and Nicolas Sarkozy, even DeGaulle did it) that have voted the most lax pro-immigration and family grouping laws in history in order to downplay french salaries/unions and because they were scared the birth rates were too low for future profits and consumption (bullshit obviously). I am litteraly a descendant of the first big algerian immigration wave started by DeGaulle on my mother's side btw.
We're living with the consequence of RW economic policies inflicted on us by RW parties and presidents, it's wasnt the socialists or even the socdems that initiated these laws. The chairman of the French Communist Party at the time (Georges Marchais) litteraly bulldozered a small building that was a migrant center.
Also you could just look at the conservative American political mediaheads and see how often they praise latino immigration for being "based and trad" to see they also have a hand it this. Lol i frequently saw self described Christian Nationalist there talking about how it's good that more latinos are coming because theyre based Catholic and one day, soon, they will save the GOP. I see the same thing with french Trad Christcuck saying how subsaharian christian immigration and arab muslim immigration is good because it will get rid of LGBT and feminism and they will definitely save the Right, just 2 more weeks bro!
Industrial workers come from everywhere. It's industrial capitalism, they don't give a shit where you're from as long as you can do the job.
(thats me again)
You could also add Merkel, the Christian Democrat saying stuff like "Islam and muslims arent the problem, it's native germans not being Christian enough thats the problem!" to the last paragraph.
Face it, mass immigration into "white" countries is the result of right-wing economic policies and cultural views. I can't count the number of time ive seen native conservatives, native catholics and royalists there saying stuff like "i hate those white SJW leftists they should all die, this based trad muslim that arrived 2 years ago is like a brother to me tho!".
Leftists merely facilitate it by not raging against it and making it "easier" for said immigrant to legalize their situation and finding them jobs/housing once arrived.
this thread is now about complaining about immigration apparently
I'm less complaining about immigration and more making young chinletdies realize it's their RW forefathers that created the situation they're in with their economic views ("better dead than red or unionised") and their phylosophical views ("better being brown and trad than being white & leftist!").
Tbh there are some countries in central europe that dont have many non euro immigrants, chechs treat ex yugoslavs and slovakians like slaves for example but all other countries employ a shit tin of asians and africans
that's just every neo-nazi movement ever
Anon this is an explicitly anti-materialist, idealistic way to look at politics.
Victory is not determined at the end of the day by who comes off "assravished" or who looks "weak" or "strong" but by those who materially and concretely use force. The kids who make fun a school shooter still end up lying dead on the floor regardless of how they or anyone else perceived the kid as their inferior, and school shooters on the whole are not that bad of an allegory for right-wing politics on the whole.
The right is more willing to utilize violence. They have been ever since january 6th when the libs dropped all mention of "abolishing the police" (which in truth they already walked back into near meaninglessness) and BEGGED the repressive footsoldiers of the capitalist state to save them from the unchecked aggression of the reactionary right. Ever since then the right has gotten basically everything its wanted out of the state from vaccine mandates being dropped, to roe v wade being overturned, to """shall issue""" being granted in all 50 states, to prayer allowed in school, to elon musk being fucking twitter and letting tweet every racial slur they could possibly want.
They intimidated capital into doing what they wanted and they will continue to do so until the left shows itself to be more willing to use force, more willing upset the status quo, and as such more necessary to negotiate with. If you think anything the supreme court has done over the last 6 months has anything to do with >"muh consitution"
you've fallen down the msnbc/fox news lib rabbit hole. the supreme court acts as it does for one reason and one reason only, and that is satiating organized militant demand in an attempt to neutralize any destabilizing energy.
its why it made the decisions in made in the 60s and 70s
and why it is doing what it is doing today.
>>1322088>They intimidated capital into doing what they wanted and they will continue to do so until the left shows itself to be more willing to use force
Exactly, that why leftists talking shit about ANTIFA are either rightists in disguise or retards.
ANTIFaggots are ready to wreak havoc when necessary, where are the non-revisionist-always-correct-theorycel marxists when shit goes south? Where are the stupidpol-tards? Nowhere to be seen, they stay tweeting on their couch, when they arent litteraly praising the reactionnaries in the first place.
And at the end of the days it was a boomer latino veterant dad and a trans stripper that disarmed and nearly beat the Q Club shooter to death, not some theorycel, not some "based non-sissy socialist", not some Cops, not some irony twitter leftist, just a normie boomer and a trans woman.
I know that, but they are actual labor migrants and they don't pretend to be anything else. They do what they are hired to do, send money home, and then leave. There are poles who got here on the pretense of being a refugee and then lived of welfare and started a Rotherham style child rapegang.
but at least we DID things unlike you antifakiddies, like establishing a bunch of dead countries that couldn't last a century without buckling under capitalist counterattack
now allow me to make the meaning of the term "socialism" elastic enough to make the case that XYZ country is actually doing The Heckin' Based DotP based on a bunch of vague buzzwords that are flexible enough for me to score a cheap rhetorical win
>>1322260>it was a boomer latino veterant dad and a trans stripper that disarmed and nearly beat the Q Club shooter to death
you think that has anything to do with Marxism
But they didn't fire you apparently. But you were never against the imperial system when it benefited you.
Why not support immigration in the current environment? Braking racialism is worth it. Even in a perfect communist system I would still be for "open borders" because racialism is a way of the past.
But most of all I have no sympathy for Westoids who live off neoliberalism in form of foreign workers in their foreign country but only cry when they get replaced in their own country.
This is like a socdem coming here and bitching about how we dont vote for them to give us freeer healthcare and education
YOUR PROBLEM IS CAPITALISM( btw since you are clearly still working with that corporation you are benefitting from cheap labour as a middle managment looser)
But you're cool with them importing cheap product and keeping the labor geographically separated.
Saying one thing but keeping mum on the other is equivocal.
so you have no actual arguments?
I said my argument:
>you only care about neoliberalism/globalism when it negatively effects you>you are happy to receive the product of neoliberalism/globalism when it positively effects you
Argue against that.
neither of those are true, so you're move
So no arguments, you're?
You haven't made an argument against anything that was actually said.
Why can't you make an argument to what I said? How about you clarify what you want me to make an argument against?
what you said is a strawman
How so? What about the second part? What do your request an argument in response to?
are you not able to follow a simple conversation
you started your whining about points i never made here>>1322333 (me)>>1322336
Ok I gave you a response. I don't give a fuck about immigration because it doesn't effect anything. Like I said, you focus on immigration because it's the only factor of neoliberalism/imperialism/globalism that negatively effects you. You don't complain about resource extraction in the third world because it positively effects you.
>your response was a strawman
Didn't say you said X I said you only say Y and not Z. To contradict me you would have to prove you said Z or that Z was irrelevant.
>it effects the wages of the working class that are driven down by porky's need for cheap labor
So? Also the effect is marginal because the next generation will be full natural born citizens anyways.
>xan you prove this? no? oh well look I found another strawman instead of an argument
Your silence speaks volumes. But anyways it would be a long argument. Let's just look at history. Where did these first world countries resources come from? Where do they continue to come from? Do you want me to make an argument for every resource like cobalt, lithium, etc?
>like i said I'm against that two but you're trying to change the subject because the liberal in your mind desperately wants to defend porky's immigration
Ok I'm real, I support perfect isolationism. I'm American so we have enough resource to sustain it. Maybe Euros are kinda fucked. I think the sham of imperialism is bound to become obsolete. As far as immigration. I don't really care because like I said assimilation is inevitable and I don't care about racial compositions.
Why don't you address that resource extraction benefits your living standards?
How is it a different subject?
Ok, whine about immigration then. I explained why I don't care and you don't want to respond to that. Either way, get fucked and continue to get fucked and whine about it. A lot of good it will do you.
Ok you won. Are you still getting fucked?
where's your internationalism? too scared to talk to brown people? if the environment collapses we're sure going to have a lot of brown refugees better get used to it
literally obsessing over shit that should be acknowledged as a mechanism, explained, then passed over instead of you obsessing over it
Also have less resource extraction but you don't want to acknowledge that.
you aren't chinese, you're from michigan. different place, any time to whine about immigrants here has left long ago
Did multiple times.
>you only care about neoliberalism/globalism when it negatively effects you
>you are happy to receive the product of neoliberalism/globalism when it positively effects you
Go masturbate somewhere else you morons.
What is true?
But you support resource extraction in the third world through neo-liberalism.
I gave my argument, you have zero arguments.
Ok, well things will continue to happen, I won't care, you will continue seething impotently on shitposting boards. Then what? Where do you see yourself and your movement?
So what will be this bad time? Day of the rope? Elaborate please.
I need no arguments when you're being fucked by reality. I do nothing and you'll still be fucked.
Ok you are right anon. Too bad you will continue to get fucked. Sucks to be you. Damn immigrants.
Not at all. You already no it's true. You complain about censorship because you show your face and you get shamed out of society. Sucks to suck little bitch. You'll get a day of the rope one of these days.
So you're saying we live in your vision of society? I thought we live in the hostile to your vision society? You say we have rampant immigration. I say I don't care? Who is more mentally impugned?
So you said nothing, got it.
For real real, can a /pol/tard explain their victory scenario. No more, "that's not what I said" explain why the fuck you exist and what is this existence you're working towards.
Why tho? Why can't you explain that clearly?
Also LMAO at the Rojava crap.
How about not sending weapons and soldiers to Rojava from the bourgeois?
>red on black
WTF are you saying? Rojava poster posted this:
>you do realize that leftists can be against porky's immigration and not be pol right?
Why not send all the Kurds home?
The Kurds that are the root of their support are all immigrants you retard.
Ok we kick out all the kurds and stop immigration, but the full thought is we stop all international trade period.
Ok let's agree to agree. I'm down for full isolationism. I won't agree to halfway isolationism and expropriation of the third world.
once again. What about the resource extraction? You're only concerned with a small portion of the scheme. That's what gets me.
Are you saying that makes the US not a recipient of resource extraction and localized pollution in other countries?
>>1314574>4chan traffic at an all-time low
The only fun boards are blue boards, anything political was already not usable and heavily shilled by all kinds of outside forces before 8ch was created.
> Why did they fail so badly?
Similar reasons why most leftist political groups fail.
> On internet groups its easy for outside groups to shill> In crafted invite-only communities there's a lot of infiltration, tons of drama and nobody gets along> Grouping in real life suppressed by actual federal agents > Political leadership looking to get their in of the networking + get-rich-quick schemes in similar fashion as social democrats have done for decades > Political leadership no real ideology> Two different people grouped together: Those pissed at the endless migration have nothing to very little in common with conservative religious voters yet are grouped together
>>1314693> as a result the west and US in particular is far more left leaning than it would have been if the alt right moment had never been a thing
Its more capitalist centered than it has ever been. Any kind of counter protests like OWS is now unthinkable and impossible. They will get labelled racist, they will get labelled anti climate, they will unleash the propaganda on dissenters and everyone will hate them for being nasty label X
USA has no culture, it seeks to assimilate an endless amount of people through migration and exploitation. It CAN NOT implement policies suggested by Trump to push back migration as it would mean the ruling oligarchs would lose money and the population pyramid crumbles. Endless immigration is a must, to steer away from that would be to craft an entirely different society. A society that is impossible to implement in USA because due to the large cultural differences it can only fully embrace migration and multiculturalism. The moment people stop feeling and identifying as "American" is the same moment migration for USA will fail as hard as in western Europe.
Why should I care? The USA has always been multicultural. The USA is a nation of the post-racial post-cultural future.
They can't. They do not have a real binding ideology.
This means anyone trying to connect to this group can make up whatever he wants and is likely doing it to fill up his/her pockets. >>1322336
People dividing themselves by race, religion, language and culture will never stop. Simply being of a different race than the dominant culture will always put you in a more susceptible spot light since you're not like the others
Because nobody caring about each other inevitably leads to people only caring about lining their own wallet. Therefore USA will never be socialist in any form or way.
NTA, but they're also not the ones with economic imperialism run amok, and fueling the crisis of people immigrating from the countries they devour.
He's got a point even if it is a bit of a round-a-bout.
I'm only saying falling back on China as an argument doesn't really work. Different circumstances.
That's kind of all I've seen so far from you tbh. My position isn't exactly the same as you or the guy you're arguing with. I don't really have a dog in this fight so far.
You guys arguing about immigration should start your own thread. This is about the legacy of the alt right and examining the impacts they had. Not about rehashing this shit.
a separate immigration thread, while a good idea on the surface, might perpetuate reactionary sentiment
i brought it up on the leftypol congress matrix if anyone is willing to discuss if such a thread should exist on the board
Didn't we do this once already?
Yeah, I don't know. They might have a point. Typically reactionaries sit in these types of threads and spam.
Well, if you don't want it to be, that's fine.
I'll just go pay attention to another thread.
Might be a good idea, depends if the mods want the headache of moderating it.
People young people aren't becoming reactionary and conservative because they have no desire to keep the broken status quo.
When fascism will come full force and try to kill some minorities id rather have non-cultured leftists that can do shit on my side that some irony-poisoned anti-idpol redditors/imageboard users that havent gotten into a fight in their lives.
trick scenario: none of those demographics will come and save you, you're all on your own in the shithole that is the american political landscape
yeah thats a you fantasy you made up, distracting yourself to the fascism of porky using the government to import cheap labor and distract people with IDpol
They're all random teenagers that the guy on the right buys beer for in between trying to turn them into Nazis
this talking point would be more salient in a world where immigration to the states have died off a bit (IIRC it was heaviest during the bush years)
Is that real? It is basically the same as this
/biz/ is the most reactionary board of them all.
As a somewhat terminally online zoomer, witnessing Gamergate and the rise of alt-right trolling literally fucking everywhere you could find online played a huge part in wrenching me towards left politics
So, thanks for that I guess
Just finished watching This Place Rules.
Biggest takeaway, the US grassroots Right are genuinely lunatics with massive tiny dick issues. Like these idiots literally seem to build their entire political identity around "I'M A MAN, I EAT RED MEAT". I do love how all of them though are still like "actually I love black people, I let a black man fuck me in the ass last week". I actually somewhat believe these people aren't actually all that racist, their political center seems to be around jerking off to Vulgar Masculinity and American symbols like muscle cars. What I don't understand is how they can't square the fact that Capitalism is exactly what leads to everything they hate, like the shitty state of everything is due to Capitalist contradiction, "Globalist" could very close to actual truth, in that, yes Rich ultra-capitalist fuckheads do control everything and push society in the direction they want for their selfish self-interest, but that is the result of CAPITALISM.
Another takeaway, though no shock horror, the Anarchists/Antifa were the overall most cringe though, love how every single one of them cycles through current liberal buzzwords "muh indiginous trans decolonialist black trans women, safe space" while never, ever mentioning workers or class solidarity a single time, while calling themselves "Anarcho-Communists". Then when Biden wins, all the Anarkiddies are stanning Biden and even worse, Kamala Harris. Honestly every time I had to pause the film out of sheer embarrassment, was when the Anarkiddies were on screen.
The US desperately needs an organised Marxist (M-L if need be) left that actually gives a shit about workers and channels all that rightoid populist "anti-globalist" rage to CAPITALISTS.
alt-right = CIA
Where are the posters going I wonder? 8kunt? There's not exactly an overabundance of major chans out there
It's a weird thing to say, but Richard Spencer is an interesting character to listen to about the right because he was one of the central figures in the alt-right but has completely turned against it. I tend to agree with a lot of what he says about the right which he describes in terms more akin to a pathology than a political movement.
Spencer is also a fascist, but like a Nietzschean one, and not really a "conservative," so the criticism of the conservatives (which I think is basically true) is that they're in a constant state of being overwhelmed by change and "history" happening around them, so they just want to throw up their hands and yell "stop!" Which is to paraphrase William F. Buckley, but Alex Jones is just the more id-driven version of the same when he rips his shirt off and starts yelling. It's a lot of "I don't like the latest thing." Everything is basically a big school-board meeting where you scream about how Dr. Fauci wants to kill everyone. It's fundamentally negative and doesn't really lead anywhere. Basically the right is full of idiots and they've become increasingly schizo and the mainstream conservatives have weaponized them because they just want their votes, and it doesn't matter if the person who is voting for the politician to reduce taxes on the rich thinks that's what they're doing, the person could believe they're voting to defund the reptiles, and it would have the same effect.
I check in on this to wonder what lessons it can provide for the left, or how to learn from the right's mistakes. There's not a lot, but one prediction him and some his little group make is that populism is going to stick around, but it'll be kept in check or controlled as a form of "micro-populism." Populists without the population. I think about Infrared as an example. If you look at their actual numbers, it's incredibly marginal and basically just a Telegram group, but it claims to "speak for" the American people. That's the same situation that the white nationalist movement is facing. Basically, populism has a future but it's a micro-penis version of Trump.
Spencer believes that what'll be successful going forward is highly intelligent and well-reasoned stuff that can convince people in power to adopt your ideas. It's worth pointing out that Spencer is an elitist who thinks the masses are stupid sheep who deserve to be told to obey and do whatever their masters say, so keep that in mind.
>>1325560>Then when Biden wins, all the Anarkiddies are stanning Biden and even worse, Kamala Harris.
The thing to realize about a lot of anarchists is that they tend to be young, and what "anarchism" often means to them is going off to college, getting wrapped up in going to protests and maybe getting arrested so fuck the police. There's usually a focus on educating people about various social ills such as racial injustice and police brutality (real enough of course), but there's often a certain aimlessness. The protesting then dies out over time and what's left is a constantly changing set of interests (some of them rather boutique) along with moving around the country.
Then people start settling down, becoming self-sufficient, making a living, or pursuing a career. They might even still consider themselves "anarchists," but if often they're no longer "anarchists" in any kind of serious way (if they ever were), even if their opinions about cops and racial inequalities hasn't changed, because even the most centrist liberal has latched onto those ideas too. So this leads them to be fairly uncritical of Biden and just happy that Trump is no longer in office.
Which, you have to admit, makes them more individually intelligent than a neo-Nazi in his twenties who goes to prison for for a synagogue bomb plot. The anarchist-turned-Biden fan is more intelligent than that person because they have stronger self-preservation instincts and because their little antennae has successfully judged the direction that things are going and they've adapted to it.
Any movement can have people who don't fully understand it, or fail to stick with it, but I do think anarchism is prone because of its (by definition) unorganized nature. This is especially true with people who come from the middle class. They find it satisfactory to be a part of a culture that's really in the thick of it, finding practical solutions, and feeling on the same level as the downtrodden. But if you voluntarily enter that culture, it's likely you're just doing it for yourself, and when you want to rise out of it again you find the morals stick, but not as much of a deeper understanding of those issues as someone part of an organized political movement would be.
That's the contradiction too, to create a "system" within anarchism defies its main tenets, so it becomes more of a participatory culture rather than a political one.
I think you are mostly correct to a large degree, the internet anarchists and socdems getting along has always been strange to me and in your explanation that's a given
Lol at the comments on that video. Why do the modern right hates (midly) intelligent guys like Spencer that can actually analyse their flaws and make their movement better over absolute retard schyzophreniac and grifters like the Alex Jones crowd is beyond me.
It's like they whorship stupidity and defeat.
Isn't it normal that many none retarded right wingers to jump off shit when the right went full schizo during covid
In my country the fashoids still talk about the fucking vaccines
I was thinking more normie spaces and supplementing that with 4chan.
Spencer is a dumbass. Neo-nazi movements have always had these pseudo-intellectual suit types, and they've always been parasitic and temporary. The skinheads and the bootboys are the real meat of these movements. If you look at successful fascist movements in history, even their leaders were dressed up as military neanderthals.
On the issue of anachronicity, it might sound weird but at least Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW were actual people. They came from families where their parents had to make a livelihood, and they themselves had to make a livelihood in their lives. They served in the military during a massive war and survived. Meanwhile, the figures of the alt-right tend to be the offspring of white flight suburbanization, even into adulthood they get their tuition throughout uni paid for, get their condos paid for and small businesses handed to them by their parents for them to own. They have no actual experience with the world, and they're LARPing with historical aesthetics that they found online or through some history book. They don't understand being in the shit, and that stops them from accomplishing anything politically.
>>1326477>The skinheads and the bootboys are the real meat of these movements
Skinheads dont even exist anymore tho
it seems like skinny skinheads who live in dilapidated dirty houses got replaced with grill dadbods
Neo nazism was just a post war movement of edgy youth who were completely alienated and wanted to offend , the weird style and music,the metropolitanism etc
The leftist more working class example of it was the edgy black anarchists who burn flags in southern europe
BTW search up the tape of Richard Spencer raging after the Charlottesville fiasco. These people just want everything handed to them on a plate. They'll never get anywhere.
The right is filled with midwits. They think that midwits are psuedo-intellectuals but a lot of the time midwits rely mostly on their instinct and just think when it suits them.
>>1326353>Lol at the comments on that video. Why do the modern right hates (midly) intelligent guys like Spencer that can actually analyse their flaws and make their movement better over absolute retard schyzophreniac and grifters like the Alex Jones crowd is beyond me.>It's like they whorship stupidity and defeat.
I'm talking out my ass because I don't interact with online rightoids, but it's probably straight-up belief in correctness and that criticism is offensive or pointing out weakness. Rhetoric more important than improvement. I'm not wrong, you are.
>>1326209>There's not exactly an overabundance of major chans out there
There are a *lot* of minor ones as busy as here, 8moe is basically the successor of 8kun but there are MASSIVE drama issues around their admin.
The post-8chan IBs are almost right-wing-by-default apart from holdout communities or niche interests.
Reddit and Twitter are big ones
Lots of reactionaries on Tumblr, which blows the whole SJW reputation apart
>>1326804>Lots of reactionaries on Tumblr
They're incredibly less numerous than general progressive peoples there tho.
The ratio is something like 1 to 20
Yes, Spencer is a rich kid who wants everything handed to him and he thinks everyone should just follow him and do whatever he says, but he's also lazy, and it's not like all these guys are going to go "oh okay you're in charge" because he says so, he's failed to convince them of the "necessity" of his Napoleonic genius. He criticizes (often accurately I guess within his own scope) the failings of the right like being enthralled by vulgar memes and saying "no" to everything and throwing a kiddy fit and not much else, but he also comes across as a dilettante who really enjoys the vulgar memes too. He still has to couch everything in "I know the memes are fun… I know it's fun spectacle…. buuuuut." Just say the memes are stupid and they're schizos and they need to grow up.
I dunno. He also said something in that chat where he came across a thirty-something white woman in Whitefish, Montana who really wanted to show him her hand-written notebook full of schizo ravings. He was really depressed by this. But Alex Jones has made a fortune exploiting mentally-ill people. I don't know why Spencer can't outright say that, instead he tries to coddle his listeners. One listener asked the question if Jones was controlled opposition. Spencer replied, "it's certainly a possibility." It's certainly… possible? That doesn't mean anything. He wants to say Jones is just a bad person and sometimes works up enough courage to say things kinda like that, but it doesn't carry much force.
>>1326720>The post-8chan IBs are almost right-wing-by-default
it's a shame what happened to imageboard culture over the past decade.Most of the existing altchans are either for people pretending its still 2007 like 7chan or they're full of cancer like that soyjak one. I wish 420chan was still around.
It is real. It really makes u think.,But also it stands to reason that the btc explosion was fueled by dumb people pouring money into it and that 4chan /biz/ was the bottom of the barrel in terms of dumb shmoocks who get fleeced hard.
The hispanic IB community is in a worst state, we are on 8chan.moe now
The most jarring thing about modern 4Chan is the large number of Christian fundamentalists.
it was always shit
yes but now it's boring shit
The main reason of a chan is so that I can post what I want with the world without needing to make an account
the thanksgiving-dinner-table-argument boomers discovered 4chan because of the nation-wide trump cultural drama>>1329868
fashies have a psychological need to have libs to trigger so they slowly move to wherever the SJWs are at unless they get kept out by moderation policies
>>1326804>which blows the whole SJW reputation apart
SJW population on websites has a direct relationship to fashies moving onto their sites, the fascists are individually weak barking chihuahuas that need SJWs to trigger, they move over to places like tumblr to get angry replies from their enemies. This is also the reason that they're so enamored with elon musk, he's giving them access and algo-boosts on the biggest host of libs/sjws known to man with twitter
I find there's two types of anarchists, those who are related to the bread-tube kinda twitter flag community who treat ideology the same way that enbies treat gender, as like a culture war identifer, and the actual anarchists that tend to get along with you even if you're a tankie, that sound relatively similar to MLs despite the ideological differences in their analysis of the ukranian war etc
>>1330731>the thanksgiving-dinner-table-argument boomers discovered 4chan because of the nation-wide trump cultural drama
Nah there's a lot of zoomers and millennials who got into Christian fundamentalism.
Like there was a Hazbin Hotel thread on /co/ and a bunch of the comments were them REEEing about how demons are real and that Satanist are evil.
normies are starting to moreso view the alt right as the cringe it actually is so they end up on anonymous image boards. similar to how leftypol has a contingent of ridiculous characters that'd get thrown out of lefty spaces
Lol I went to a more or less conservative high school during the Trump presidency, and even the people there were reviled by the idea of the alt-right
I love leftypol, someone posts an incorrect analysis and immediately gets replied to with a single sentence debunk
Christian Democrat parties were all socdems man the repubs are having none of this shit lmao
Its amazing how /pol/yps have lately taken anti-NATO/anti-imperialist positions out of sheer contrarianism.
They're constantly at war with the NATOfags like BAP over this.
Pedophile tradcah latinX VS Pedophile Hellenist uwhites
>>1314693>The alt right alienated and radicalized a whole bunch of people and as a result the west and US in particular is far more left leaning than it would have been if the alt right moment had never been a thing
At what cost?
Solidarity builds, nationalism of all stripes(even jewish nationalism) destroys.
The framing error that is the 'nation' or 'folk' misses the truth of reality. There are contradictions in the world, but they are inalienably of the world and in it. When a conflict or contradiction appears to create a disunity, that disunity is illusory because the disunity is evident and extant in a unified world/universe.
A materialist analysis, a true embrace of the dialectic and the real world permits the individual to perceive this fundamental unity of all things and peoples. There are no nations or peoples at the end of the day, only arrogance and lies built around fear of the true and awesome majesty of creation; immense and varied to the utmost and around which no finite mind may fully encompass but in which we all add to its glory. The sun is shining and the sun is set, because the world is round and the persons you asked were in New York and Beijing when you asked.
That system that aims to destroy its own and condemn them to poverty in the name of a false hierarchy is doomed to failure. It is a lie told by the fleeting Capitalist; the failing masters of the world for only a 2 or 3 short centuries. That system that aims to enhance and enrich the dignity shared by all shall thrive because it is the truth of the world.
Long live the fighting alliance of the peoples of the united world, our all to them in our shared struggle for socialism and universal dignity.
>>1330736>Nah there's a lot of zoomers and millennials who got into Christian fundamentalism.
Christianity is just another meme to these people. They very obviously don't care much for the actual gospel of Christ or anything and are basically just being contrarian now that secularism has become so prominent. The whole thing is as embarrassing as the online atheism movement of the 2000s and probably attracts the kind of people who were into that.
This just makes me think someone is trying to signal AT&T are Nazis.
Shows they've lost: they are back to painting Swastikas on the walls like its the 1990s.
>>1334214>has their own video platform>gets thousands of dollars per stream>gets into fight with cops, wins>uses money to buy more projectors
yeah this is a show of strength, we leftists need to up our game
it's too bad they cant actually vandalize the property otherwise the megacorps might have to crack down on their cretinous reactoid goblinspawn. graffiti is a lost art and private property killed it
Confusion, bemusement maybe
Because it was always about the faggotry, and it served its purpose during the prior decade. All they need is a vanguard to normalize fascism, and we got fascism. Now the liberals can do what they always wanted to do and mask off. Anyone who went along with these stupid narratives is a uyghur.
lgbt struggle was a very real struggle that, because of the power differentials involved in a large class society, became vanguarded by a segment of the bourgies who find themselves placated by commodities painted with gay flags. it becomes co-opted into a larger framework of culture war
porky alienates ourselves from our labor then sells our identity back to us with commodities, either the camo hat or the thigh high socks, which way western male?
they create a frame of two segments of the population, neurotic lib bourgies with distracted lib proles fighting against neurotic fash bourgies with distracted groypers. both groups of proles have their faces turned towards each other than than upward towards the various species of porky
this does not mean, as i said earlier, homosexuality is bad. the gay-ified commodity worshippers have been pegged towards a subset of our beliefs as an easy attachment to place their identities on. the camo hat fashie football hooligans are still more dangerous to us specifically
>>1334233>graffiti is a lost art and private property killed it
WTF I love capitalism now
I thought BAP was supporting Putler
Yeah but nobody here in leftypol would like show up to a blank panther meeting or a union strike holding up printed out memes crying about chinlets or something.
most of us wouldn't but weird haz magacommunist types actually do show up to trump rallies to ask boomer grandmas about "magacommunism"
No he don't, all the BAPsphere are openly pro-America, pro-West, pro-fed, pro-GOP, pro-NATO.
Because he has confidence and isn't an incel, unlike you, you can shill any ideology you want to normies and if your confident they will still respect you even if they don't buy the ideology .
have you even watched it? they don't respect him and he looks and acts like a betamale when he's at those rallies, neck down etc
I wasn't referring to LGBT, but "faggotry" in the sense of "contemptible behavior" - i.e., /pol indulging in sexual depravity and finding every failed man and boy to holler for more fascism. The entire point of the alt-right and /pol is to make fascism happen, and as soon as fascism became acceptable, the alt-right was no longer needed. Now they get censored and sectioned off to their super special echo chamber, where they will be left to wither and occasionally activated to attack someone the regime doesn't like. Eventually they'll get the night of the long knives, except worse because they're stupider cuckolds than the SA ever were.
>>1335355>I wasn't referring to LGBT, but "faggotry" in the sense of "contemptible behavior"
Oh my god this website is a knee-slapper
4chan's decline is mostly due to the rise of other chans and horrendous moderation.
what other chans? They all seemed to be kind of dead to me
>what other chans? They all seemed to be kind of dead to me
soyjak.party and 8moe aswell as twitter.
My take: They had no vision, no dream. The people of the world like Nick Fuentes bring nothing to the table capable of inspiring anyone that isn't a midwit tweaker or similar. Their praxis is to troll "the left" with signs like IOKTBW, meanwhile"the left" is writing novels, building communes, and creating art.
the death of sharethreads did it
Unfortunately shit take.>horrible moderation
Since at least 2010, probably mid-2000s. It's not new, and quite frankly the decline more closely correlates with the rise and subsequent spread of /pol/ to alt-boards. A factor? Maybe, but not a critical or isolated one.>listing 8moe and soyshit as rising sites
No. 8moe isn't the worst answer but is a mere fragment (albeit a big one) of 8chan. Last I checked, it was coasting at best, compared to 8chan it is certainly not bigger at drawing away 4chan users. Soy is niche and a non-compeditor, all it did was take the boring non-posters 4chan was smart enough to kick. It looks fast, but its not due to having many users or growth. Comparable to sportschan's /sp/ in that sense, but bigger.
Non-English IBs are a far bigger impact than either of those.>>1343478>dead
Slow isn't dead. Far from it. Lose the dopamine addiction.
>>1335355>The entire point of the alt-right and /pol is to make fascism happen
You're an idiot.
>>1334195>lazer swasdika - share and donate
is this labor?
i don't get it
stop masturbating in the thread
That's not a meme, that's more comparable to motivational pictures, and actual propaganda flyers.
What do you think the sound of your neck snapping in 2 when the noose pushes the entire weight of your body in free-fall into it would sound like?
Haha what sounds would you guys make if you took out your sexual frustrations by double teaming me in bed haha
Well simple, the first thing I personally would do in power is ban all of social media and make the internet more like it is in North Korea, an intranet only accessible through like libraries and schools and universities. That or try make the internet more like how it originally was intended, a web of separate personal websites without algorithms or bots.
you sound like someone with an unwarranted high self esteem and a hatred of others that is backed by nothing desu.
And I am someone who is rather skeptical over the the youth's progressiveism but i don't hate them for not having the same ideals as I do, especially in the wake of the fact that communism has been "Slain" in a sense in the public eye.
Maybe you should have a smidge bit more empathy for people again, saying this as someone who finds that shit hard to do.
>They want socialism not because of the good of society, but because of pure greed and selfishness
"im a socialist because I care about the poors" are generally the biggest grifters around, if you dont have a personal stake in the game chances are youre a conman and a narc
it sounds like you live in a world of stereotypes but at the very least you're a technocrat although I have no idea what is the issue with homosexuals in particular? Is it just because it's icky to you or some shit. Man ass is pretty kino desu.
Nothing to do with this. If you dont want socialism to spite the rich, or help those your love and care about youre a grifter. I.e. Va*sh, Maupin, Haz etc etc
t. dropped out of school in early teens
>The "social issues" need to be localized or dropped entirely
<homosexuality is discouraged
Yeah me fucking around with dudes is why life sucks under capitalism. People that care more about fags than not being able to pay rent, afford healthcare or feed their families aren't socialists, they're reactionary grifters
as an actual gen z, who's interacted with prolly way more in general, you have those people sure, but you also have a significant amount that are done with capitalism in general. they don't want "drip", they see right through materialism and what it's doing to the earth (like fast fashion ruining not only economies, but people's lives due to sweatshop/basically slavery conditions), and know that it's not something to play into. there are many, myself included, who are minimalists when it comes to interacting with capitalism. i buy only what i need, i try to go as local as possible to prevent giving money to big fucking corporate cunts, and many of my irl friends are the same way.
it's really just 50/50 from my experience, half indulge excessively in capitalism and materialism, the other half are fucking done with it and want it to be gone. that's why leftism is growing again somewhat, it's not the older folks who are realizing capitalism bad, because chances are they're already at the top, it's the younger crowd who are left to scrounge around for crumbs that the previous generations left us with.
So the state should ban art, non-reproductive sex, all forms of entertainment, "food excess" meaning home cooking (everyone should eat food rations).
you're a reactionary retard. Kill yourself.
There is nothing revolutionary in supporting the oppression of the working class.
>Oh, I don't care about gays, I only about socialism, which is why we should ban homosexuality.
Your posts are devoid of intelligence and filled with reactionary drivel. Commit suicide at your earliest convenience.
In China gay couples can appoint their SO's as legal guardians, giving many of the rights of marriage>>1343929>Modern Russia>Communist
Lol that law was promoted by some of the richest people in Russia>Homosexuality as you know it is a capitalist excess
What the fuck are you talking about? You think dudes didn't fuck each other before capitalism? what more is there to know? >zero value for homosexuality.
A tribe can survive without "art", non-reproductive sex, or anything except bare survival. Is that what you want?>non productive behavior.
Capitalists think this way>>1343942
Even funnier when its coming from former imperial mercenary to me an eastern euro (jungle) fag lol
You think its healthy to force people to have kids they dont want?
what is it with weird people who want to act like stereotypical tankies who seem like they have a fetish for depraving people of leisure and luxury goods as a whole?
I frankly think it's an image board thing because your typical rightiod is fairly hedonistic.
>Guy is small business owner
Lol every time
Everybody on an anonymous image board is a faggot
This includes (you)
Rightoids are hedonistic but fantasize about controlling other people's lives, such as depriving people of simple pleasures in life. This "tankie" behavior you identify, elegantly displayed by the retard here, is nothing but right wing vestiges on the left.>>1343957
This retard is pretending he's already a commissar and is already handing out rules and regulations for the People's Republic of Burgershartistan. LMFAO>Homosexuals statistically are amazing consumers and love "luxury goods".
You can just feel the type of retard that writes shit like this. Surely someone so embedded in the class struggle as to have absorbed such "statistics" from the aether. >"Consuming luxury goods is anti-communism and is really harming our movement, ok guys? Stop buying iPhone" - Karl Marx
Oh shit, I forgot this totally legit quote! Maybe anon is on to something. >Is it scientific and good to promote homosexuality when birthrates are so low?
Hahahaha is it scientific to WHAT NOW? what 0 reading does to a motherfucker.
If you want higher birth rates, give straight couples better incentives. Increase wages so they can afford more kids
>Homosexuals statistically are amazing consumers and love "luxury goods"
Cockshot made a video explaining why, it isn't because gay people are consoomers, it's because gay couples have less kids, less expenses and more free time
Still waiting for answer how me fucking a dude either prevents socialism or prevents you from having a (large) family
>>1343961>Still waiting for answer how me fucking a dude either prevents socialism or prevents you from having a (large) family
Goes like this:>Was a rightoid>it's an insane death cult>ok, what else is there, republicans and democrats are terrible>I'll try socialism. Oh nice, let's do it.>oh wait, why is socialism failing?>well, the thing I dislike the most about socialism is that they advocate for basic human dignity and autonomy of people I dislike>oh look, companies are taking advantage of the oppression of these people I don't like>if companies advocate for something, then socialists need to be contrarian and advocate for the opposite>this must be the reason socialism is failing in the west>therefore, we should gas the gays so that socialism works>>1343962>what is recuperation of leftist struggles
how new r u?
also isn't one of the most popular chinese animes (like literally from china) a yaoi animation?
China has many vibrant queer communities and nightlife centers. These people choose to invent the China in their head that justifies their anti-social positions. China, for them, is the promise of obscene enjoyment, where Chairman LARPers like >>1343957 fantasize about dominating the population into their insane ideas about population control and good christian morals.
>corporate LGBTQ propaganda
Is almost exclusively a western thing. I don't care if China or Russia ban that, but I don't want to live in a world where I can't be with my boyfriend because people think I am being "unproductive" and force me to have kids
>victim of it
I knew I was bi before I ever watched porn or knew it existed
>Homosexuals know subconsciously that they are degenerates wastes of oxygen, and therefore they feel the need to be constantly validated in everything they do. The one thing homos really hate the most is being confronted with reality. A homosexual can never accept, on a intellectual level, that homosexuality isn't 100% equal and just as valid as heterosexuality; and the very act of banning pro faggot propaganda implies that fact and leaves the opportunity for people to come to their own conclusions on faggots. This is why you're wasting your time arguing with faggots.
Anti-LGBT peoples are such schyzos man what was that
They don't have one except their own broken brains
So it goes
I'm not that guy who made that >>1343849 post. I think the internet would be better if it was more like it was originally envisioned by Tim-Berners-Lee instead of the centralized corporate hellhole it became.
>>1343959>Everybody on an anonymous image board is a faggot
Most image boards use "fag" or faggot" as a synonym for "person" or "human"
It's a left-over of the socially progressive cultural discourse before the dark age of identitarianism caused the great cultural regression.
The basic principle was to erode the derogatory meaning of slurs by using them as terms of endearment or just in a neutral context.
Cherish it, because it's a rare thing now, it feels like we culturally regressed 100 years in the last decade. It's gotten almost impossible to kill a slur and destroy it's power.
i do wonder if the modern internet is just the result of capitalist accumulation. How would it work past it?
I wonder what is the answer to the "Gen Z" is the real socialist generaton when people are buying hogwarts legacy in droves? (Despite it seeming mid as fuck)
Hogwarts? Harry Potter? What? God damnit, go outside!
it was a silly way to refer to "types of guys" in the /b/ golden age era, not some sort of political cultural discourse
>>1344067>Anti-LGBT peoples are such schyzos man what was that
That's because they're FAGGOTS
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