No.1352292
>>1352175> Ihor Kolomoisky>dat name not heard since the 20s.that guy is 100% not living in kekraine.
No.1352307
>>1352293don't tell me you think nazis were socialists just because they called themselves as such
No.1352308
>>1352293Ukrainian Maoists fighting Russian social imperialism
No.1352309
>>1351078>Russia has taken the place of "The Turk" in the European imaginary. Why is there no russian KARA BOGA??
No.1352311
>>1352293that must have been before the entire MotorSich fiasco
No.1352312
>>1351087>Lenin annulled this and invadedShut up westoid
The central powers anulled it first, look at what happened in the baltics. That is why the baltics today are Russian and still part of Russia, this treaty was violated therefore balcucks don't get any independence, and therefore the Soviets could do whatever they liked afterwards. Deal's off
No.1352317
>>1351122The only anarchists in ukraine actually fought UNDER the azov batallion
We are apparently "rightists" for questioning how anarchists sabotage Russia, and again aren't allowed to question why anarchists in the west aren't doing sabotage. They "just are, okayy", "Inam too lazy to show you how" and please ignore the fact they fight under the UPA flag
No.1352318
New Bakhmut sector map from Rybar
https://t.me/rybar/43178Wagner is getting closer and close to the Chasoc Yar-Bakhmut highway. They also made some gaing in the east and nort-east of Bakhmut.
They also took a small hamlet north to Blagodatne and increased their bridgehead on the right bank (towards west) of the Bakhmutovka river slightly.
No.1352319
>>1352318Muh details
Wake me up when backmoot is Russia land
No.1352324
>>1351152Literally this, even Haz understands this its basic dialectics
No.1352339
>>1352336>legally>legitimatelylol
lmao
No.1352344
>>1352339You must be over 18 to post in this site.
No.1352345
>>1352336Sinking a ship sailing under a non-Ukrainian flag would be an act of war.
No.1352347
>>1352345except when the US does the same with Iranian tankers and so on
that's totally not an act of war, that's just international peace keeping
No.1352348
>>1352347They don't sink them though, just seize them. It is illegal but the US by default is immune to any repercussions. Russia has nothing to gain and all to lose from destroying this ship.
No.1352349
>>1352348Russia should "seize" it then.
No.1352350
>>1352345Tell that to the Nord Stream pipelines
No.1352351
>>1352350That was a selfless act of environmentalism.
No.1352352
>>1352348It would be legal if the ships sail through the Black Sea, combatants of a war are allowed to stop neutral vessels travelling through their waters and seize contraband (cargo they think is going to the enemy). This was the logic behind the blockade of Cuba turning the Cuban missile crisis with the exception they stopped the Russian convoy in international waters due to where Cuba is.
No.1352353
The people replying to objections to Russia violating international law with "well the US does it all the time", you understand that's the nature of hegemonic unipolarity right? Russia is not the hegemon, and interestingly, they're trying pretty hard it seems to not violate international law. This is the best they can go for as of now, anything else only hurts their diplomatic standing.
No.1352354
>>1352349>>1352347Unlike Iran the US can actually retaliate. It would be a major escalation that Russia wouldn't really benefit from. Best case scenario would be that NATO vessels just start escorting these shipments. Worst case scenario NATO joins the war directly.
No.1352358
>>1352357This happened over 100 years ago though.
No.1352359
>>1352358So? The principle is the same. If Russia sunk a US ship it would be WW3.
No.1352362
>>1352359Well, if it happened
now WW3 could be highly likely. But back then it wasn't guaranteed, hence why it happened so often.
No.1352365
>>13523631984 george orwelles animal farm
No.1352366
>>1352365Orson Welles' 1969 film
(I was gonna write the same joke)
No.1352367
>>1352363Wait is this for all Russians living there or for the expats leaving Russia post-Feb 24?
No.1352368
>>1352367I think it's for any Russian passport holder wishing to extend their temporary residence.
No.1352370
>>1352368Wow, so life for almost 25% of the population is worsened by apartheid-esque policies like this. How do Russians even manage it, I can't imagine living in a country where you're that discriminated and propagandized against. I would try my damndest to move to Russia.
No.1352383
>>1352345it would be justice. but westerners can't discern past that. israel drones Iranian infrastructure?
<YAAAAZ WHOLESOME DEMOCRACY, FREEDOMSAxis of evil does the same?
<HOLLY SHIT, MURDERERS, INNOCENT PEOPLE, REEE No.1352384
>>1352362It didn't happen 'so often' though. The sinking of the Lusitania forced the US to enter WW1 (they wanted to anyway but still).
No.1352388
>>1352383'justice' doesn't matter. realpolitik does.
No.1352395
>>1352363You can always just lie.
No.1352398
>>1352386> What are you going to do? deport me?- Quote from Man deported
No.1352409
>>1352408Dore read Lenin? Ahahaha good shit
No.1352411
>>1352383Governments and media hypocritically lionize themselves and demonize their enemies. More news at 11.
No.1352423
>>1352413you love to see it
No.1352440
>>1352413Based they should rename the city as well.
No.1352444
>>1352440Zhuklinevskygrad
No.1352457
>>1352413Media are already seething about it kek
No.1352460
>>1352455Do we even have credible numbers about this war? Both sides are making shit up.
No.1352461
>>1352408for real
>>1352409yeah he does. Hes pplaying a role I think. But he was always ourguy
No.1352464
here is finally a liberal no to german tanks in the ukraine
https://www.fr.de/meinung/kolumnen/panzer-fuer-die-ukraine-der-tod-bleibt-ein-meister-aus-deutschland-92057548.htmlends with the Rio Reiser (legendary German leftist folk singer, so to speak)
>But is there a country on earth where the dream becomes reality? I really don't know. I know only one thing, and I am sure of it. This country is not it. No.1352465
>>1352197He sounds indistinguishable from people like Agent Kochinski or Dylan Burns at this point. He was always like this though; when push comes to shove during his lifetime he will side hard with the US/NATO sometimes even going beyond it (for example demanding more bombs being dropped on his own country). He'll criticize imperialism when it's "safe" to do so, he'll have no quarrel going after the Vietnam War, the Iraq War, etc. because those are allowed to be criticized in liberal circles.
It dawned upon me the last months what a piece of shit this guy actually is. He constantly shills for conservative, or rather neoliberal philosophers like Sloterdijk or Habermas, who he calls "good friends", the actual Slovene Society for Theoretical Analysis called him a fraud, and he started his career being a pop philosopher for upper-middle class students in California.
Funny thing is that I think Dugin and Zizek are not that different in their demeanor, both are quirky meme philosophers who use obscurantist language and have some seemingly contrarian ideas. Both were dissidents from socialist countries. I'd love to see a debate between Zizek and Dugin, the latter might surely be willing, Zizek will never do it.
No.1352466
>>1352464>frankfurter rundschauDie haben manchmal überraschend vernünftige Takes.
No.1352468
>>1352455>Will there come the day when westoids will stop and think "Uh, actually those numbers supplied by Ukrainian sources make no sense at all"Those numbers sound ridiculous, but they are carrying a heavy weight.
When the ceasefire is signed , the Ukrainian claim to victory will have to be carried by their victimhood, of which surely much of the military losses will be falsified as randomly exterminated by the Russians ("Remember Bucha!!" not even a consequence of infrastructure strikes , just straight up executions and barbarity, watch it happen) which justifies the necessity of the sacrifice. And the other half on how many losses they have inflicted or how much they have hurt the RF in the abstract, to bled NATO goals with their own.
Ukraine pretty much
HAS to scream that they kill 5000 Russians every week and that the "orcs" are eating children and raping dogs inbetween looting washing machines because the post war national identity depends on hammering those propaganda points in, until the Banderite ethnic hatred is adopted by proxy and so are their old allegiances and grievances (which happen to be well groomed by the NATO glow and favor its terms).
No.1352475
>>1352468Only redditors addicted to infotainment and incest porn actually believe this numbers, real NATO decision makers know its made up
No.1352484
>>1352476Interesting how Sabaton decided to do a song about Rorke's drift, singing praise about the invader, instead of Isandiwana, where they could've sang about the native beating back the invaders.
No.1352489
>>1352480>I have my scores to settle with Zelensky as Jew to Jew My sides. Damn son
No.1352493
>>1352484That album was about last stands though.
No.1352499
>>1352489What about Jew on Jew crime?
No.1352500
>>1352460Most credible is between 15.000-20.000 KIA for Russia (RUAF, DPR, LPR, and Wagner combined) and between 100.000-150.000 KIA for Ukraine.
No.1352501
>>1352500Got some source on that?
No.1352509
>>1352507He's confused because he's anti-China but pro-Russia. Also bashing the US too hard got to him.
No.1352510
>>1352507Fucking kek I wonder what he's thinking
No.1352513
>>1352507Hilarious but that stupid face he makes is well practiced for the fox news dummies
No.1352515
>>1352513resting baffled face
No.1352522
>>1352318this map shows pretty heavy Russian losses in the Seversk sector - Russian controlled territory now marked with “areas of active combat” (which is basically a cope for Ukrainian controlled land)
No.1352537
>>1352408I never doubted the guy and constantly asked why nobody on the site would give him any credit. The biggest laugh I've had all year was the bit he did on dubya's masterclasses too.
No.1352554
>>1352522>>1352526Russia did try quite a few times to break through the Bilohorivka sector in the past months without any successes. Ukraine is dead set on holding the mback there, as any Russian success there could thraten Seversk itself and pontoon crossings used for staging offensives towards Kremenaya. Think Wagner also tried their shot there after LNR forces couldn't get through. They did manage to get inside Bilohorivka itself, but no further than that. Now even that was undone.
It's most likely the reason they shifted the focus to pushing upwards from Soledar, which yielded far better results so far than any offnsive from the Severodonetsk direction.
No.1352565
>>1352483ah… those darn pesky recessions that keep popping up every decade in capitalist economies… they really arent very good if you're trying to outcompete unfriendly nations in a pivotal historical moment where they will either be suffocated or survive to become long-lasting adversaries…
No.1352584
>>1352288source:
<Cabinet of Ministers fires Fiscal and Customs services leadership https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/1/7387466/additionally…
<Director of State Bureau of Investigations reports on successful searches among corrupt officialshttps://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/1/7387485/
>Background: > Prosecutor General Andrii Kostin and head of the Ukrainian Security Service Vasyl Maliuk spoke on Wednesday after large-scale searches.
>On 1 February, Ukrainian security forces and law enforcement officers conduct a series of searches among various officials and served notices of suspicion. In particular, the searches were conducted at State Tax Service in Kyiv; oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky’s house regarding Ukrnafta company; the property of Arsen Avakov, former Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, and the house of Vadym Stolar, a Kyiv property developer and a member or parliament from the banned Russian-backed Opposition Platform – For Life party.
>The Prosecutor General's Office served notices of suspicion to Bohdan Khmelnytskyi, former Deputy Director of the Defence Ministry's public procurement department; Viacheslav Shapovalov, former Deputy Defence Minister, and Volodymyr Tereshchenko, Former Deputy Director of the state-owned company Promoboronexport.
>On 23 January, Arakhamiia said that corrupted officials would face responsibility and announced the imprisonment of corrupted staff in the spring.
>On their meeting on Wednesday, 1 February, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine fired Viacheslav Demchenko, Acting Head of the State Customs Service and his deputies, Oleksandr Shutskyi and Ruslan Cherkaskyi, as well as Tetiana Kiriienko, Acting Head of the State Tax Service. No.1352585
>>1352563Fuck I feel young.
No.1352598
Aren't Wagner also Nazi.
Like, their name is literally "Wagner".
Kinda sus.
No.1352602
>>1352598Yes
Thats why its CRITICAL support for Russia not UNCRITICAL support No.1352603
>The property of 12 Ukrainian banks is planned to be nationalized in Crimea, follows from the draft resolution of the State Council of the Republic. In particular, we are talking about the property of the banks "Forum", "Ukrsotsbank","Impexbank", "Piraeus Bank MKB", AB "Express Bank" and "Joint-Stock Prominvest Bank".
Russia isn't socialist they said 🤓
No.1352608
>>1352598The composer Wagner was literally a socialist though.
No.1352609
>>1352506>1 dead allied soldier to 5 UkronazisWell, this is going worse for the Russian side than I feared.
So much shelling, and they only manage such a small ratio? Damn. I hope, the Ukronazi casualties are much worse than the publicly available data suggests, otherwise it's hard to not doom at this. The methodology used here seems decent enough.
>Estonian BBC colonyIt's hilarious, how all these anti-Russian organisations are run in the Baltics. Considering their tiny collective populations, they must be using everyone for this rubbish, since these shitholes' labour has nothing else to offer nowadays, than being slaves to Western imperialists.
A lot of internet Balts and Balkanoids, I've debated always have an IT bullshitjob, they boast about. Is this all these losers can do?
No.1352611
>>1352608An antisemitic socialist.
Kinda sounds like he was a nationalist more than he was a socialist.
A national socialist, if you will
No.1352613
>/Leftypol/ try not to reply to Bait challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
No.1352616
>>1352506>let's start with disproving "attacker suffers 3 times as many casualties"Ah, I see a fellow person butthurt to oblivion with the stupidity of an ordinary /k/oper
No.1352617
>>1352609>A lot of internet Balts and Balkanoids, I've debated always have an IT bullshitjob,These nighas are going to be absolutely demolished by Pajeets and Nigerians in 20 years, what the hell are they going to do then? Are the baltics going to go unironic Ted K. Anprim route?
No.1352620
>>1352609>A lot of internet Balts and Balkanoids, I've debated always have an IT bullshitjobAfter 1991 their industry got plundered so now everyone there is either a wealthy bourgeois, petit-booj technical manager, unemployed or an emigre.
No.1352622
>>1352618Sny proof that he's a Nazi?
Or are military uniforms Nazi now?
No.1352623
>>1352611What nation? Germany didn't even exist until like 10 years before he died.
No.1352624
>>1352598Good. If the Wagner casualty reports are to be believed, these units have one of the most deadly jobs in this war, effectively grinding the Nazi problem out of existence.
Still, I have yet to see up-to-date evidence that they actually are Nazi-infested – at least compared to their Ukronazi counterparts, which are visible in literally every footage Cockholes appear.
>>1352617>going to be absolutely demolished by Pajeets and Nigerians in 20 yearsInteresting. Can you elaborate, since I'm not informed on these guys at all?
No.1352627
>>1352622UPA banner in the back
No.1352629
>>1352602What's the difference between critical and uncritical support?
Who gives a shit whether your support is "critical" if it's support in the end?
NATO expresses critical support for nazis, just like you do.
No.1352630
Wagner are not Nazis and if you think they are, you should leave the site. r/ukraine would be more to your liking.
No.1352637
>>1352630Wagner at best (or worst in this case) has a few mercs that are nazis.
Ukraine on the other hand has whole ass nazi battallions, its people worship dead nazis as heroes, have nazis in the government and indoctrinate their children into nazi beliefs.
No.1352639
>>1352622>Cuckrainian flag>Blood and soil banner/scarf>Stahlhelm LARPingIs this enough proof?
No.1352642
>>1352630Wagner, like any PMC or group of males obsessed with military stuff, almost definitely has some "WW2 memorabilia fans" in its ranks, but there is no indication they are in any way nazi on the level of leadership or ideology. All of their public dudes like RSOTM or even Prigozhin himself repeatedly namedrop the Great Patriotic War and disavow nazism
No.1352649
>>1352618>Russian languageIt's so stupid how common the Russian language is spoken in ex-Soviet states even amongst the greatest haters of Russian people and nation.
No.1352651
>>1352648The masculine urge to do a little trolling
No.1352652
>>1352649Probably the same reason English is widely spoken in former anglo colonies.
No.1352656
>>1352654personally I blame American cinema for presenting Nazis as "cool aristocratic superscience villains" and the Soviets as "dirty drunk human waves"
No.1352663
>>1352624>Interesting. Can you elaborate, since I'm not informed on these guys at all?I mean, why pay euros for baltic and balkan it guys when you can pay already english-speaking nigerians or indians for way less? (Assuming AI hasn't taken over all IT jobs by then) Its not like we're talking about irreplacable engineers here, just your average techie guys you can find all the world over.
My point is that these West-catering service jobs that eastern europeans and balts are doing after the fall of USSR are in serious dangers of being undercut by both cheaper Third World labour and Automation. And they can't go back to manufacturing to their decrepit age and all the youths fleeing to Germany. So what are these pro-West slavic and baltic countries going to do then?
No.1352668
>>1352656It's just not cinema unfortunately
No.1352673
>>1352668Well, it's one of the main American culture/propaganda exports.
Even the USSR had a similar problem when the series about Stirlitz which focused on the Nazi leadership aired, and spawned a small subculture of "memorabilia fans" because they seemed cool. Of course it's way worse with American movies which tend not to have the same nuance as Stirlitz.
No.1352677
>>1352656Yeah but it's not just cinema, western historiography of the USSR is just Goebbels with the antisemitism toned down.
No.1352678
>>1352665Want KKE the based party and all others revesionist or is it the dengist type of communism were socdems are to the left of stalin
No.1352683
>>1352637>>1352642What happened to "if there's 10 people at the table, and 1 of them is a nazi, there's 10 nazis at the table"?
We gonna give a pass to orgs that employ nazis as long as they're not 100% nazi?
Ukrainian government should get a pass by the same logic then.
No.1352685
>>1352639>Cuckrainian flagNational flags are nazi now? Then every country is nazi, including the RF.
>Blood and soil banner/scarfWhere?
>Stahlhelm LARPingLooks like a regular helmet to me. It's not even grey
No.1352689
>>1352683There is no evidence Wagner is political, unlike the nationalist volunteer army the Ukrainian state depended on after the Maidan coup and the partial collapse of the Ukrainian army and police in Donbass/Crimea.
What you're talking about is a principle applied to right wing political protests such as the Canadian trucker occupation.
The false equivalency about nazis is part of European disinfo meant to discredit the threat faced by Donbass since 2014. One side in this conflict wants ethnic supremacy to keep a nation together, the other wants self-determination that allows both ethnicities to live at peace.
No.1352690
>>1352683>Ukrainian government should get a pass by the same logic then.It shouldn't because it explicitly allows nazis to have ideological/political influence. This is what's key. Otherwise we'd have to disavow nearly every military force in the world because they're guaranteed to have some skinhead retards worm their way in just because they're obsessed with violence. Even the Kurds had some sus people fighting for them if I'm not mistaken.
No.1352696
>>1352689no er um but you s-see russia is nazi too just because okayy, please ignore the fact that even nazis in high positions dont hold any real power in russia
No.1352697
>>1352690>we'd have to disavow nearly every military force in the worldSounds like a deal to me.
Why the fuck would I, as a leftist, not disavow the armies of nationalist bourgrois states?
No.1352699
>>1352576Was he in azovstal and exchanged? I barely remember his face.
I saw some exchanged azvostal azovites have died in Artyomovsk. nazis won't learn.
No.1352700
>>1352689Sounds like a whole bunch of cope.
No.1352702
>>1352697That includes various guerrillas and armies of besieged anti-imperialist states like Syria as well
No.1352704
>>1352685>National flags are nazi now? For the Cuckrainian one, yes, because historically it has always been used by Nazis. Cuckrainian nationalists were always explicitly Nazis.
>Where?First photo
>>1352618 the scarf on top of the shelf
>Looks like a regular helmet to me. You are clearly arguing in bad faith. I don't buy it that you can't recognise the infamous Stahlhelm
>It's not even greyYes, it is. Are you colour-blind?
Kys, gaslighting Nazi apologist.
No.1352707
>>1352683Difference is Wagner has killed 100x more nazis than they ever had in their midst
No.1352715
>>1352707Nazis kill each other all the time, so what.
Who was more based, the italians or the germans when they turned on each other in WW2?
No.1352719
Ah sweet, another episode of "LE BOTH SIDES!!!11!!" retardation!
No.1352721
>>1352685First picture should be enough:
>>1352628>>1352637Source me.
I remember the got who deflected from the wagner to finland (was it finland), and the discussion around is that the guy was nazi (in the orchestra telegram channel)
No.1352722
>>1352704You're right, that's clearly a stahlhelm.
The lighting threw me off. Yeah, he's a Nazi/sympathizer.
But the scarf just says "glory to ukraine". Generic. Unremarkable.
>Cuckrainian nationalists were always explicitly Nazis.As opposed to nationalists of every other country? Are russian nationalists explicitly tsarist? Remember, ussr wasn't russia.
No.1352726
>>1352683>What happened to "if there's 10 people at the table, and 1 of them is a nazi, there's 10 nazis at the table"?>We gonna give a pass to orgs that employ nazis as long as they're not 100% nazi?Yes. Because we're not infantile retards who cherry pick who to "support" based on if they have people we like or dont like. Because by that metric might as well oppose Russia because it is "bourgoise" therefore le bad and evil. Wagner is just a private military company, it's not a political force, it's useful because it's an attack dog against imperialism.
>Ukrainian government should get a pass by the same logic then.It's absolutely not the same logic retard, the banderite nazi forces in Ukraine are not only integrated within the military forces but are politically active. Whereas in Wagner there are nazis across the board in the rankings, they hold no political authority and their power does not rise above the Russian statehood. Regardless of any personal nazi ideology or beliefs, they serve the Russian state above all.
On the other hand, the Ukronazis have infiltrated every level of military and government. They serve themselves and their ideology above all.
No.1352729
>>1352710>neo-imperialist glow imageMao Zedong has nothing to do with bourgeois tailism and "AES" stanning, contemporary China isn't socialist and doesn't claim to have arrived at socialism, look up the meaning of the word "preliminary", actually read Marx, your baseless memeinformed posturing is transparent for all to see
No.1352734
>>1352729Look up the meaning of the word "Primary", actually read Marx.
No.1352739
>>1352726>nazis are good as long as they serve the stateDang, that's like, every nazi ever.
No.1352742
>>1352729You seem to hold the German ideologist misconception that communism is a "state of affairs" to be achieved, and that a state has their socialism switch flicked on and off based on whether they have X Y Z institutions or policies implemented or not. You are literally hold 19th century german ideologist mentality.
As for China, they are still under control of the dictatorship of the proletariat. The CPC has never relinquished control since 1949. They are focused on the 21st century, not the 19th. That's all that actually matters, not your infantile buzzwords. Next time care to communicate like a normal well-rounded person instead of the 🤓 emoji?
No.1352743
>>1352739That's what SPD thought about freikorps. That's what liberals think about nazis in ukraine.
No.1352746
>>1352739Was the chain-gang rapist bandit slaver Makhno not "good" for disrupting White movement's supply chains and forgagers at the beginning of the Russian civil war?
Until his usefuless dried up. Dang, that's like, every anarchist ever.
No.1352749
imagine rehashing the "wagner = russian azov" argument in 2023
No.1352750
>>1352726>by that metric might as well oppose Russia because it is "bourgoise" Why the scare quotes?
It is a bourgrois nation state.
Wait, I thought we were leftists here, we're supposed to be against the bourgeoisie, remember?
No.1352754
>>1352751>the 'idea of a nation' is the core value of ukrainian nationalismAs opposed to every other instance of nationalism?
What?
No.1352756
>>1352701Reads like some seething fed faggot, I'm going to guess it's from /k/ope.
No.1352757
>>1352750>Wait, I thought we were leftists here, we're supposed to be against the bourgeoisie, remember?When you say "the bourgoisie" you aren't talking about anything concrete, you are speaking of an abstraction, in which national borders are liquidated and all bourgeois of all nations are identical to each other.
The Russian national bourgoise are absolutely a progressive force in the face of imperialism right now. Again, which is why
>>1352665 all of the successful communist parties support Russia. You want to know why communists support Russia (a dictatorship of bourgois)? Ask Stalin.
>The same must be said of the revolutionary character of national movements in general. The unquestionably revolutionary character of the vast majority of national movements is as relative and peculiar as is the possible revolutionary character of certain particular national movements. The revolutionary character of a national movement under the conditions of imperialist oppression does not necessarily presuppose the existence of proletarian elements in the movement, the existence of a revolutionary or a republican programme of the movement, the existence of a democratic basis of the movement. The struggle that the Emir of Afghanistan is waging for the independence of Afghanistan is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the monarchist views of the Emir and his associates, for it weakens, disintegrates and undermines imperialism; whereas the struggle waged by such "desperate" democrats and "Socialists," "revolutionaries" and republicans as, for example, Kerensky and Tsereteli, Renaudel and Scheidemann, Chernov and Dan, Henderson and Clynes, during the imperialist war was a reactionary struggle, for its results was the embellishment, the strengthening, the victory, of imperialism. For the same reasons, the struggle that the Egyptians merchants and bourgeois intellectuals are waging for the independence of Egypt is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the bourgeois origin and bourgeois title of the leaders of Egyptian national movement, despite the fact that they are opposed to socialism; whereas the struggle that the British "Labour" Government is waging to preserve Egypt's dependent position is for the same reason a reactionary struggle, despite the proletarian origin and the proletarian title of the members of the government, despite the fact that they are "for" socialism. There is no need to mention the national movement in other, larger, colonial and dependent countries, such as India and China, every step of which along the road to liberation, even if it runs counter to the demands of formal democracy, is a steam-hammer blow at imperialism, i.e., is undoubtedly a revolutionary step.https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/ch06.htm No.1352759
>>1352754>As opposed to every other instance of nationalism?nationalism has different forms, religious nationalism, cultural nationalism, political nationalism,chaste nationalism, even a small combination of everything, to name a few, but 'idea of a nation is based on blood purity, race superiority over other races, and 100% nazi-based nationalism.
No.1352763
>>1352753More like Americans will go there to form it
>>1352750Leftists act like opposing the Russian bouj means being very upset any time the Western bouj doesn't win
No.1352766
it occurred to me. Is Russia currently only fighting at the parts that got partitioned in September? If yes, isn't it probable that they will stop at the new borders?
also, what other important has happened lately? Not following
No.1352769
>>1352757Stalin and Lenin WERE wrong, because they based their understandings of the bourgeoise class on the unfounded premise of the "national bourgeoisie". But the truth is there are no national bourgeoisie or comprador bourgeoisie, the capitalist class are united in their class consciousness and will not go to war to weaken each other.
No.1352770
>>1352766>If yes, isn't it probable that they will stop at the new borders?No. Russia capturing every last piece of dirt of the new annexed regions won't make the Ukrops magically stop attacking. They'll need to pull of a successful Kiev offensive to end the conflict if the Ukrops don't surrender before that.
No.1352773
>>1352759Oh, so there's good kinds of nationalism now, good to know.
Out of curiosity, is there any phenomenon that's NOT justifiable for the sake of multipolarity?
Just doing a little falsifiability test here.
No.1352777
>>1352773>Oh, so there's good kinds of nationalism now, good to know.tankanon posted a good link so you can enlightene yourself
>>1352760.
No.1352778
>>1352766We don't know what the Kremlim really wants. For example, before the invasion Putin said they would be there to liberate the Donbass separatists, not make a referendum that would include the Donbass and areas outside of it to join the RF
No.1352779
>>1352769>the capitalist class are united in their class consciousness and will not go to war to weaken each otherLol
Capitalists aren't one big entity that cooperates with each othe rall the time. Each different group of them is interested in increasing their profits, which will eventually result in having to beat their other capitalist competitors to get their wealth.
You can see it now with US capitalist fucking over German and other EU capitalists, not to mention that the purpose of this war is to break down the Russian capitalists who don't want to cooperate with the West like the ones Yeltsin put into power.
Just as there can be in-fighting between the proletariat, so too can there be in-fighting between capitalists.
No.1352780
>>1352757So the Communist party of Cuba is no lobger a successful communist party, good to know
No.1352783
>>1352773>Oh, so there's good kinds of nationalism now, good to know.Have you even read a sinngle piece of theory at all? Of course nationalism can be progressive. Like the nationalist movements that were fighting against European monarchies, or the vast majority of anti-colonial nationalist movements across the global South.
No.1352785
>>1352777>quoting stalinLol.
Guy was a good ruler.
Not the best marxist
Quote Lenin or fuck off.
No.1352786
>>1352757Stalin was a subjectivist and told communists to tail bourgeois nationalists dogmatically.
PRC would not have been possible were it not for Mao and the CPC to ignore Stalin's ignorant advice to tail their """progressive""" bourgeoisie. Of course right-wing deviationists like you cherry-pick the worst from Stalin (not his central planning, anti-Bukharinism and domestic campaigns of cultural revolution to rid the country of their equivalent of Confucianism!) to justify your own dirigist bourgeois aspirations. You rats like you would not survive Stalin, as you are far worse than Bukharinites.
No.1352792
>>1352780Not really, it's stagnant and Fidel's kids made mistakes.
No.1352793
>>1352785Yes, he was. As the person in charge of actually implementing communist policies, Stalin is better qualified than Lenin. Material reality > theory.
No.1352795
>>1352783Can be.
They can also be regressive.
Hypothetically, would a feudal monarchy be progressive if it happened to be politically opposed to western hegemony?
No.1352796
>>1352779>Capitalists aren't one big entity that cooperates with each othe rall the time. Wtf do you think the WEF is huh?
>Iraq and LibyaBoth Iraq and Libya were AES
>UkraineThe war in Ukraine was not started nor is it being fought by "nationalist bourgeoisie" elements. In fact, the Russian capitalist class (with the consent of Cucktin) seems to be content with trading resources with the same West that is arming nazis against them. Can you imagine Jugashvili trading with Hitler at the same time that SS bandits and Hiwis were raping people to death in Belarus?
No.1352798
>>1352780Cuba supports Russia dude.
No.1352799
>>1352790Why are you wasting your time replying in this thread when you could donate to your communist vanguard instead: Infrafed?
No.1352801
>>1352793>Material reality > theory.That's funny to hear, because the material reality is a bourgeois nation state going to war against a bourgeois nation state, and all the cope about multipolarity is pure theory.
No.1352802
>>1352701>russian telegram celebrated him from the starthell no they dont! they were quoting korybko from the beginning.
No.1352803
>>1352801>1917 is pure theoryYeah, that about sums up NATOuyghur's dread at watching their empire decay.
No.1352804
>>1352785Lenin has the same beliefs of nationalism. Is nationalism bad always? When used by the bourgeoisie to control a nation and attack other nations, yes. 'Idea of a nation' is rooted in imperialism (Spanish use of race, first empire to use that) used a chaste system where only 'los blancos peninsulares' were superior (had access to top political positions or sent to study to Madrid) while the rest was inferior, and never allowed to be on top, hence that nationalism is garbage.
The kuomintang nationalism wanted to get back all the territories lost by Qing dynasties during the 19th century. That was progressive. It was good because the CPC could work on a common ground to de-colonize China from japan, them from europe.
Just to put an example.
No.1352806
>>1352786>PRC would not have been possible were it not for Mao and the CPC to ignore Stalin's ignorant advice to tail their """progressive""" bourgeoisieBut they didn't need to do that in the first place fucking idiot. They had no industrial bourgoise to begin with they, were almost totally an agrarian peasant shithole. They built everything themselves, thanks to great achievements later on too like reform and opening up for one. And don't pretend any petty bourgoise made up any significant sphere of the economy in any way.
Keep writing more buzzwords see where that will get you, another icepick to the head so you're dead for good next time hopefully.
No.1352808
>>1352785Way to expose your bankrupt familiarity with Stalin's great contribution to Marxism. all posts made by you henceforth are discredited
No.1352809
>>1352803Ah, I see tge problem, it seems your material reality is around a century past its expiration date, you should go to the store and grab a fresh one.
Speaking of progressive forces, turning the clock a century back doesn't seem progressive to me, rather the opposite. Regressive, even.
No.1352810
We are in this weird paradox right now, in which everyone who doesn't inform themselves through Reddit knows that Ukraine is slowly sinking, but at the same time the UA Government and their agitators can't accept a ceasefire or negotiations or else they would lose their America gibs, and the more money and weapons that are thrown to them means 50k more casualties for the next counter offensive, when what they really need is a stalemate in which they will be publicly seething and dialating at Russia occupying a small part of their territory, while they receive billions in reconstruction bucks for the parts of the country who actually love Stepan Bandera. Basically supporting Ukraine means forcing them to continue to pretend that they can win, while hurting themselves
No.1352812
>>1352803>that about sums up [bourgeois reshuffling]Don't forget to vote
really revolutionarilly for one of the two parties again in four years too Billy LOL
No.1352813
>>1352795No matter what you can't hand-wave away national realities. Nations are OBJECTIVE. Shut the fuck up cosmopolitan degenerate. Grow some roots
No.1352815
We went from
'All nationalism is bad'
To
'Go support haz' in short time.
No.1352816
>>1352813>Nations are OBJECTIVELmao.
Are you sure you're not a liberal?
No.1352820
>>1352816nations are real, countries and borders are not.
No.1352822
Love how the USSR stopped the Chinese revolution by handing all of Manchuria and tons of captured Japanese weaponary over to the CPC in that region.
No.1352823
fucking booklet burgers, i swear
>>1352820>go to google maps>turn on satellite view>see borders with my own eyes<N-NOT R-REAL!!!!!!!!! No.1352827
>>1352820>nations are real,Literally invented by the bourgeoisie in the 19th century.
Read a book.
No.1352831
>>1352814Ah, fake drama. The best drama one can ask for.
Anyway. To illustrate more about somo progressive nationalism.
The land of the Pole today had a rally where it was asked to stop the escalation of the war in the neighborhood. And one of the chants was 'stop americanization of Poland'.
No.1352832
again, fucking booklet burgers
>>1352827Nations weren't "invented". Nations
developed with capitalism surpassing feudalism. Then the bourgeois intelligentsia
justified and ideologically propagated it's existence.Also, fire, electricity, cooking – all of these were invented. Guess that makes them not real.
No.1352834
>>1352796>Wtf do you think the WEF is huh?What do you think salmon mating season is for bears when they all come to the river and cooperate in catching fish? But then when the mating season ends the bears all fuck off into the woods and start killing each other again?
Do you know how life works or are you unironically parroting nazi conspiracies about how all bourgoise in the world are secretly working together just because of annual WEF meetings? Nevermind the countless wars happening RIGHT NOW, just because the imperialists have international meetings means all wars are fake right?
>>1352796>Can you imagine Jugashvili trading with Hitler at the same time that SS bandits and Hiwis were raping people to death in Belarus?Can you imagine the fact that Jugashvili was still sending significant amounts of critical raw materials necessary for Hitler's future war efforts, such as petroleum, grain, rubber and manganese, all up until operation Barbarossa?
The Ukraine war isn't by any metric operation Barbarossa yet, come back when NATO becomes directly involved and attemps a land invasion or something, idiot.
No.1352835
>>1352822>Manchuria to CPCThey actually didn't. They handed it to KMT, like a good boy on the geopol stage. Then the KMT, corrupt af, and hungry for loot, bumrushed it, and torpedoed its economy in the process, discrediting itself and building support for CPC.
No.1352836
>>1352832Cooking was invented but the fire and electricity were discovered. Things burned before men existed.
No.1352837
>>1352824Wait, weaken?
I thought russia was going to get stronger instead.
So is russia getting sttonger, thus making a revolution in its territory less likely, or is it growing weaker as a result of the conflict?
Which one is it?
No.1352838
>>1352837Yes, Russia is being weakened. Not at the rate the West is, but weakened none-the-less.
No.1352839
>>1352799Lmao I posted one Haz speech.
No.1352840
>>1352836You know what I meant. The taming or technique of using them were invented.
No.1352842
>>1352771tbf Lenin didn't actually say this and did in fact spill a lot of ink dunking on Kautsky
No.1352843
>>1352700>Sounds like a whole bunch of copeThen you should have no problem discussing it. I've had this discussion a million times since 2014.
No.1352844
>>1352832>Nations weren't "invented". Nations developed with capitalism surpassing feudalismWas the development driven by humans of a particular class perchance?
Because development driven by humans is kind of the literal definition of " invention", retard.
"The rafio wasn't invented, it developed" - by whom, retard?
No.1352845
>>1352835>They handed it to KMT, Officially.
No.1352847
>>1352845And KMT functionaries went to Manchuria. Officially. And looted the factories to the point they stopped working. Officially.
No.1352848
>>1352689>There is no evidence Wagner is politicalbut but but American bourgeois media told me they were nazis and my favorite succdem influencers on twitter immediately agreed!
No.1352849
>>1352838Damn, how much weaker will it have to get until a communist revolution spontaneously matetialises?
No.1352850
>>1352816>Lmao.>Are you sure you're not a liberal?Atleast now you've revealed that you have no clue about nations and nationalism. The only marxists, in my experience, that are prejudiced against nationalism are the illiterate and uneducated ones who originated as liberals, who were originally programmed by the liberal academia to define "nationalism" as synomyous with "reactionary". Therefore the only liberal here is you. Do you think national self-determination means "domination over other nations" or something?
Keep denying national self-determination of people and then stay wondering like a retard why western marxists like you don't have any real movement in the west. Read Marxism and the National Question by Stalin. Natiaonlism was already considered a given by Lenin, Marx, Engels, and just about everybody else.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm No.1352852
>>1352844So who invented capitalism, you big brained retard?
No.1352853
>>1352851the prophecy is coming true bros im telling you
No.1352854
>>1352849Check the global casualties of WW1 and WW2.
No.1352857
>>1352850I agree, I hope you also support Ukrainian nationalism and self determination too, same as Russian.
No.1352859
>>1352722>But the scarf just says "glory to ukraine". Generic. Unremarkable.This is the Banderite chant.
Also red and black, which stands for Blood and Soil, which is Ukronazi symbolism, you buffoon!
>As opposed to nationalists of every other country?Yes, because they always acted like Nazis, seeking Nazi policies, like murdering thousands of domestic and Polish Jews for example.
Read the OP and shut the fuck up, until you're done.
No.1352860
>>1352851So do they expect Ukraine to navally invade, or force the river or somehow reverse the push from Zaporozhye?
>just win, lmao No.1352863
>>1352815>We went from>'All nationalism is bad'>WeJust because you have split personality disorder doesn't make your retarded opinion any more popular
No.1352864
>>1352857>I agree, I hope you also support Ukrainian nationalism and self determination too, same as RussianUkrainian nationalism is constructed on oppression and therefore not a form of self determination, but (ethnic) supremacy.
No.1352867
>>1352856Ukraine is imperialist, but the rival imperial power is anti imperialist? That's some heavy theory.
When italy and germany attacked each other in ww2, which one of tbem was impetialist, snd which one sbti-impetialist.
Was every empire in the 19th century simtaneously anti-imperialist?
No.1352868
>>1352864oppression is one of the most important impetuses for establishing self-determination
No.1352869
>>1352827>nations are "invented" actually, I think it's possible to "invent" such things because I am a voluntarist idealist who thinks that historical change occurs when man consciously acts upon the world, and that ideas have primacy over reality! Napoleon literally invented civilization personally!>read a book! I won't say which one!I will tell you which one. You can start with J. V. Stalin's Marxism and the National Question, which wipes the floor with your retarded claim.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm No.1352872
Nation:
>"a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture"
This is an "invention" according to brainlets itt. This whole discussion would not be happening if you people were aware that nation and nation-state are not synonyms. A nation-state is a country, a nation is the above quote. Nations can be stateless, but all countries require the state part of nation-state.
No.1352875
>>1352867Ukraine is attempting to unite its state and ruling class via ethnic supremacy over Russians, which dovetailed with the struggle to unite the states and ruling classes of the entire imperial core via European supremacy over Russia. These are forms of oppression that Russians must struggle for independence from, which is why they are accelerating decolonization and its multipolar conclusion.
No.1352877
Russia good. Anglos bad. Don't really care about communism/imperialism. Simple as.
No.1352878
nations are not "invented" but they are imagined communities.
No.1352879
>>1352877based honest zigga
No.1352880
>>1352877Thank you, /chug/ FC
No.1352883
Ukrainian nationalism is one of those types like Georgian, Latvian or Finnish that only developed after the rise of socialism and proletarian revolution. It has no democratic content.
No.1352888
>>1352841i thought it was well known that the US military industrial complex was a money laundering scheme.
No.1352890
>>1352888I guess the thought was that it was a somewhat lethal money laundering scheme.
No.1352891
>>1352877Russia is a shithole with high abortion rates and meth usage
anglo is however worse
No.1352892
>>1352872>common language>culture>economic life>etcYou rwalize all these had to be centrally forcefully homogenized to form nations, right?
Literally believing in the naturality of nations, fucking liberal
No.1352893
>>1352860they've just gaslit themselves so much with the 'ukraine victory' narrative they're just delusional now. also, nobody wants to admit they were wrong so they just keep doubling down and swilling hopium.
No.1352894
>>1352888>>1352841>>1352890It turns out the "Russia needs chips for its rockets that it doesn't have, so they will run out" was projection all along, and it's stinging US more than it does Russia.
No.1352895
>>1352883As opposed to russian nationalism?
By that logic tsarism is the only form of russian nationalism with drmocratic content lmao
No.1352899
>>1352877A russian cold rob me blind on the spot while threatening me with an AK, and I'd still trust him more than a backstabbing anglo.
No.1352900
>>1352890It is lethal to people they already bombed the fuck out of 30 years ago.
The us's military doctorine is entirely about bullying the fuck out of people from across the pond and wrangling canada
No.1352901
>>1352892That's the definition Stalin used, and I'm pretty sure he is not a liberal.
No.1352902
actually wait a minute, what the fuck is ukraine doing with all those munitions the US is giving them?
No.1352903
>>1352857>I agree, I hope you also support Ukrainian nationalism and self determination too, same as Russian.You know what? I actually do. Just the sort not based in Galician chauvinism, russophobia and anti-communism. The sort not based in CIA-run fascist programs which led to the rise of Stepan Bandera.
I support Ukrainian nationalism of the sort of Taras Shevcheko, who wanted national determination for his people against the degenerate rule of the Romanov dynasty, who were debt slave cucks to French bankers. I support Ukrainian nationalism of the sort of Vladimir Lenin, who helped Ukraine forge their own first proper Ukrainian state institutions based in their own people, not the cosmopolitan bourgeois experiment called the "Ukrainian People's Republic". Monarchist chauvinists in Russia today like to deny the history of Ukrainian ethnogenesis and claim everything at the end of the day is still "Russian", which is exactly the type of Romanovite propaganda Lenin and Stalin struggled and warned against.
No.1352905
>>1352902Using them up. The US isn't actually giving them that much. (for the needs of a conventional war)
No.1352906
>>1352892All of those spoke a subclass of French, practicing a subclass of French culture.
Pretending all of those cultures are completely divorced from each other and have no common ground that unites them (aka the French culture and language) is retarded.
No.1352907
>>1352903Out of curiosity where is "ClipboardImage.png" coming from? Where in Windows is this generated?
No.1352908
>>1352902Human waves tactics. All these munitons and weapons are sent for the express purpose of being destroyed, for the western MIC to keep getting endless funding to make next generation versions like the Abrams X.
Ukraine today is a weapons testing site.
No.1352909
>>1352907You can ctrl+v images into the attachment box, it's better than saving useless shit to my local drive that I won't ever use outside of this one post in this one thread
No.1352910
>>1352894I have become convinced that most of the news regarding Russian and Ukraine are pure projection. Like the level that they just swap the names in a report depending the way it serves the selected narrative and they get and report that as news.
No.1352912
>>1352868>oppression is one of the most important impetuses for establishing self-determinationExactly, there is no self determination built on supremacy. That is self enslavement that makes the world cannibalize itself and gives us common ruin for all. The oppressor reproduces history to the detriment of all and the oppressed abolishes history to the benefit of all.
The question of oppression and reproduction of history lets us tease out the progressive and reactionary side in Ukraine, who is struggling to abolish a historical condition and who is fighting to maintain it. Abolishing these conditions expands class-sorting forces and maintaining them does the opposite.
The struggle of Ukraine for self determination is just a struggle to hold together a state, which has dovetailed with a struggle to unite and preserve the imperial core. It's not a struggle of the people. The struggle of Donbass and Crimea is a struggle to emancipate a people on the national basis they are targeted and declassed, which solves the national question for both Ukrainians and Russians.
This is why the issue of Donbass autonomy exposed a lot. It showed that self determination of Ukrainians had nothing to do with the people but the state, unless you believe the people only be free if they stop Russians from being free. That's exactly the logic NATO slid into, which is why Russia is justifiably at war with it.
No.1352913
>>1352909You can drag-and-drop an image straight into Quick Reply, btw. Or paste a web link to an image into the File Name line, if you clicky.
No.1352914
>>1352689>There is no evidence Wagner is politicaleverything is political. especially men who kill for money, and who are members of a private corporation named after the most antisemitic composer. But they've recently taken to countering US hegemony for money, so that makes them anti-imperialists for hire (and not opportunists) (
allegedly)
No.1352915
>>1352864When you say Ukrainian nationalism you mean how it manifests itself today, as a chauvinistic tool of imperialism instead of actually legitimate national self-determination?
No.1352916
>>1352914>But they've recently taken to countering US hegemony for money, so that makes them anti-imperialists for hireYeah?
African nations like Burkina Faso and CAR are hiring them to counter the French funded insurgents.
No.1352917
>>1352906Damn, even the ones who spome a getmanic dialect?
Wow, fascinating
No.1352918
>>1352915>When you say Ukrainian nationalism you mean how it manifests itself today, as a chauvinistic tool of imperialism instead of actually legitimate national self-determination?Yes exactly. Ukrainian nationalism can have a progressive character, we've seen it before. Bolshevism intersected with it.
No.1352921
>>1352920Ghey epic trolled the west by validating tgeir claims?
Epic trole
No.1352922
>>1352915>Ukrainian nationalism you mean how it manifests itself today, as a chauvinistic tool of imperialism instead of actually legitimate national self-determinationThat's how it always manifested, it's never had any democratic content and the working class in Soviet Ukraine defeated the nationalist Petliuraites.
No.1352923
>>1352867Nazi Germany literally was a western project gone out of control. Italy was nothing but a vassal of the Nazis from 1922. Are you referring to the Nazis attacking the Italian resistance or what the fuck are you on about?
If you want to understand imperialism and why it's the primary contradiction in the world today, start with Lenin's book, and work forwards from there.
No.1352925
>>1352922>That's how it always manifested, it's never had any democratic content and the working class in Soviet Ukraine defeated the nationalist Petliuraites.What do you think Borotbists are? Lenin wrote about the progressive content of the national consciousness of the Ukrainian peasantry
What has consisted twisted that consciousness into something reactionary has been appealing to the European character of that peasantry, which both the Nazis and now the liberal-imperialists are doing.
No.1352930
>>1352913>Or paste a web link to an image into the File Name lineWhat? Explain
No.1352932
>>1352894The kinds of chips that the most advanced missiles need are literally the same chips found in voodoo graphics chips from the 90s, which any bourgoise asshole with a factory can produce
No.1352933
>>1352776get his ass!!!!!
No.1352934
>>1352916it's based that Burkina Faso and CAR are kicking out the frogs, and I don't even care if Wagner's helping them, but I seriously doubt a bunch of men who kill for money are doing it out of some sort of principled anti-imperialism. Of course you will all tell me that the means don't matter and only the ends do. Which I agree, so whatever. Would be a shame though if there were some long term negative ramifications of all these countries (including America) resorting to private armies. I hope Wagner never ends up doing the equivalent of what blackwater did in Iraq
No.1352937
>>1352926to be fair nothingburgercels win 99% of time. the general trend is for things to stay boring but get incrementally worse. le HAPPENINGS are rare
No.1352939
>>1352922>That's how it always manifested, it's never had any democratic content and the working class in Soviet Ukraine defeated the nationalist Petliuraites.As opposed to russian nationalism?
By that logic tsarism is the only form of russian nationalism with drmocratic content lmao
No.1352940
>>1352930When you click upload (anywhere on the Internet, really) and you're given an Explorer window where you can select a file to upload, you can paste a web link to a file on the Internet into the File Name line, and it will work. You
do click on the "Select/drop/paste files here" like a button, right?
No.1352941
>>1352928>assimilatedWait, you .ean they weren't frencb snd then became french?
Wow, I wo der what other people weren't french and then became french.
Ah, nah, france existed since the dawn of time :)
No.1352944
>>1352941Stop drunkposting and go to bed.
No.1352946
>>1352941>some cultures going extinct means that there is no common connection between cultures that are currently alive and replaced those old oneskeep trying, anon
No.1352947
>>1352936Scratch a multipolarist abd a nationalist bleeds
No.1352949
>>1352926lol how old is this, this has been like every thread since I arrived
No.1352951
>>1352946Yep, there isn't.
The "connection" you think you have to people from 500 years ago is just libshit ideology, sorry
No.1352952
>>1352920>wagner came into existence because the most important people in the world, BURGERS, said it existedwow, burgers literally have the power to manifest their imagination into reality. they are truly a power to be reckoned with
No.1352953
>>1352941you sound like a SJW bleeding heart cuck
Just accept this is how reality works dude its not hard
No.1352954
>>1352947faved and retweeted, Comrade! 😀
No.1352955
>>1352940You're saying your file manager is connected to the internet?? That seems like a huge security risk
t. GNU/Linux user, not even something as bloated as GNOME's Files come with that
No.1352956
>>1352949I think, like two months after the war start?
No.1352958
>>1352906Bretons are literally Celtic.
And you're wrong, there was no dominant dialect that defined a "French language" until the northerners started forcing the Parisian dialect on the southerners and everyone else including other langue d'oil speakers, which they enforce to this day using the national academy
This is like if Tito forced everyone in Yugoslavia to speak Kajkavian
No.1352959
>>1352956*ominously returns to lurking*
No.1352960
>>1352951No one was talking about having a connectiong with old cultures from the past. I am talking about the common connection cultures inside a nation share.
This is like the 5th time you keep trying to move the goal post.
No.1352961
>>1352947I audibly giggled at this like a 5 year old. This isn't the own you think this is.
Glory to all nations of the world. There is no internationalism without nationalism. The best kind of iernationalists are very nationalistic.
I wouldn't expect a retarded, worthless American to understand.
No.1352962
>>1352955Nah, it just automates the process of saving an image from the Internet to your PC and then reuploading it.
No.1352964
>>1352958My man, you're map is showing multiple groups of cultures that shared a common connection with to get grouped in together by historians.
The group from the north assimilated the group in the south, yes. Now after centuries, both north and south are one group and share the same common connection.
No.1352967
>>1352949>>1352956I checked the date and it''s from March 14th lmao
No.1352969
>>1352953>accept ideology as realityOk, liberal
No.1352970
>>1352961>There is no internationalism without nationalism.Huh, now that you mention it, I never truly thought about how nationalism is the prerequisite of internationalism, even though it's in its fucking name.
No.1352971
>>1352964>are one groupSure buddy, just like English-speaking Irish people are British and Cajuns and Hawaiians are Americans because they had their language beaten out of them.
No.1352973
>>1352965>nothingburger is indeed a nothingburgerThanks for clarifying
No.1352974
>>1352967>three weeks, actuallyOof, yeah, the war caused a shitstorm here.
No.1352977
>>1352960What is that "connection" you speak of?
Is it material, like class?
No? Then it's ideology, and thinking ideas are real makes you a liberal, sweety
No.1352978
>>1352966>national bourgeoisie develop capital for the imperial core. Comprador bourgeoisie develop capital for the nationi said this part backwards because i worked 12 hours
No.1352979
>>1352970>Huh, now that you mention it, I never truly thought about how nationalism is the prerequisite of internationalism, even though it's in its fucking nameMarx once said regarding the polish question that internationalism means nothing if national self determination isn't achieved first
This is why ultras struggle with conditions in the periphery
No.1352982
What will happen when Bakhmut falls? Will burgers start suspecting they are throwing money at the wrong horse?
No.1352984
>>1352977Ah, my bad. Linguist and athropologists are just grouping cultures together randomly and not because they share similarities with each other, similarities out of which nations can be formed.
My bad, bro.
No.1352987
>>1352979ultras also get confused when vanguard parties achieve the historical task of the (national, non-comprador) bourgeoisie by rapidly developing productive forces. They see that and they say "it's just capitalism with red paint." But they forget that it's a pre-requisite for Communism. They seethe when vanguard parties provide stewardship over developing economies and turn peasants into proles.
No.1352988
>>1352982They have been suspecting it for months now, they simply don't back down because dragging the war on for as long as possible will mean more dead Russian soldiers, they don't care if 5 Ukrainians die per Russian killed.
As for Bakhmut, once it falls the road for Kramatorsk and Slavyansk lays wide open.
No.1352991
>>1352988But we all know that "you won but you won with these casualties" is the loser's gigacope. Does the American public want to participate in this?
No.1352992
Ok but how does the russian worjing class benefit from any of this
No.1352993
>>1352969You really don't know what ideology is if you think nationhood is ideology
I bet you think communism is an "ideology" too idiot
No.1352994
>>1352982Dunno. I predicted total collapse of Ukrainian forces East of Dnipro, and start of invasion from Belarus to secure the Western bank of Dnipro.
Unless I mistook Ukrainian suicidal efforts of keeping Russia away from Kramatorsk-Slovyansk as evidence of lack of defenses there, when in reality they are just insane. (possible) Or Ukraine successfully evacuates is armor formations, as they are all still stuck there. (unlikely) Or Ukraine has prepared defenses elsewhere. (very unlikely)
No.1352995
>>1352971Irish people weren't assimilated out of existence by the British. Them just speaking english isn't enough to make them part of the same group.
And there's also the fact that there can be multiple nations inside of a country. Like the many indigenous nations inside of the US and Canada.
Cajuns and Hawaiians could very well seced from the US and declare themselves their own nations.
No.1352996
>>1352992Russia avoids the Yugoslav treatment from the West.
No.1352998
>>1352965somethign about this guy is really off, can't quite put my finger on it
No.1352999
>>1352925Petit bourgeois nationalists. While we're at it, so were the Makhnovites. Notice how modern Ukraine honours "left nationalists" like Hrushevsky or whatever it is and Makhno while furiously attacking actual communists like Shchors, Petrovsky and Timoshenko?
No.1353000
>>1352997but the Kiev or Bakhmut working class gets shelled harder than the Donetsk working class, what do then
No.1353002
>>1352984>liberal academic consensus is based when it validates my spooksOk
No.1353003
>>1353000kiev has not been shelled more than donetsk and bakhmut wants to be liberated
No.1353004
>>1352892go make a thread about nations if the concept makes you seethe so much. Yes, nation building inherited from feudal centralization, and eventually forcefully integrated everyone by breaking regional powers and languages. You can be unhappy things happened like that, but denying the people living now in a nation indeed share a culture, language, institutions and feel connected to each other as citizens of their nation is plainly retarded.
No.1353005
>>1352993Name the material basis of your national identity challenge (impossible)
No.1353006
>>1352939The Bolsheviks also crushed Russian nationalists so what's your point dickhead?
No.1353008
>>1352987No, that's just state capitalist redfascism. You can't just build productive forces if everything around you was built under capitalism. True communism starts with protracted people's war in the jungle, where you must first destroy everything before achieving communism. All of the means of production must be razed to the ground and the country reversed to a paleolithic state before we can begin developing the first worker-controlled communes, and declare communism achieved, ✊😜!
No.1353010
>>1353004I'm not denying it, just calling it what it is: false consciousness
No.1353013
>>1353006Which Russian nationalists? The Bolsheviks already were an agglomeration of nationalists of every nation in Eastern Europe. Take the L on this one
No.1353019
>>1353008>True communism starts with protracted people's war in the jungle, where you must first destroy everything before achieving communism. obvious troll. try to be more subtle next time Lear
No.1353022
>>1353013The white guards, moron.
The Bolsheviks fought all the bourgeois nationalist reactionaries from Ukraine to Estonia and Mongolia to Georgia.
No.1353024
>>1352998He's pro-Ukrainian, but he actually does the legwork to investigate, instead of believing Ukrainian claims. All guys like that are off.
No.1353028
>>1353016Last i heard the western working class supports capitalism.
I guess multipolarists can be anything, nationalists, populists, opportunists.
The only thing they have trouble with is actual socialism
No.1353029
>>1353002>liberals invented linguistics and anthropologyplease stop being a retard
No.1353031
>>1353005>Name the material basis of your national identity challenge (impossible)Ayo clown 🤡 I hear you dissin on nationalism or sum shit?? It's low-kew easy AF to define material realities of nationhood, on god. The nation deadass slaps, my book be bussin. Your libshit is mid tho FR FR, no cap.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm>What is a nation? A nation is primarily a community, a definite community of people.>Thus, a nation is not a racial or tribal, but a historically constituted community of people.>Thus, a nation is not a casual or ephemeral conglomeration, but a stable community of people.>Thus, a common language is one of the characteristic features of a nation.>Thus, a common territory is one of the characteristic features of a nation.>Thus, a common economic life, economic cohesion, is one of the characteristic features of a nation.>Thus, a common psychological make-up, which manifests itself in a common culture, is one of the characteristic features of a nation.>A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.>It must be emphasized that none of the above characteristics taken separately is sufficient to define a nation. More than that, it is sufficient for a single one of these characteristics to be lacking and the nation ceases to be a nation. No.1353032
>>1352973We are talking about over 80 Leopards. It's not much, but not nothing either. Just another cut of the a thousand cuts the internally sabotaged Russian forces have to suffer. (Referring to Cucktin)
It will be another annoyance, they have to deal with, slowing down their progress, giving the Ukronazis more time to regroup and NATO more opportunities to escalate even further beyond. Fighter jets maybe?
NATO has still hundreds of Leopard 2s to spare. Some countries even willing to sacrifice entire mechanised units for Cuckraine like the Netherlands did. Not to mention other MBT and different shit.
This is not a nothingburger!
No.1353034
>>1353029Literally did, dumbass.
There was this little thing called the enlightenment, you might've heard of it
No.1353035
>>1352996Russia already got the Yugoslav treatment when the USSR collapsed. If anything Yugoslavia got the USSR treatment.
Also, even if Russia wins, I feel like the imperial core will continue to wage proxy wars. Isn't this one like the 4th in a quarter century? Weren't Chechnya, Georgia, Syria all essentially western-backed proxy wars against Russia?
No.1353039
>>1353035Well, not Syria. And imperial core's success rate is dropping. Can't really shit the bed for too long in this game.
Feel free to check liberal plans for "post-war in Ukraine" Russia, if you feel like your blood pressure is too low.
No.1353042
>>1353034So the reinnaisance historians who studied ancient Rome were liberals?
No.1353043
>>1353031Damn, stalin was pretty dumb, huh.
No.1353045
>>1353028Being a multipolarista means you support taking down the western unipolar rule and the establisment of multiple poles all around the world.
Socialists support multipolarity because it is a prerequisite for global socialism.
No.1353047
>>1353028>Last i heard the western working class supports capitalism.So what? The reason working-class people in the west support imperialism, be it nazi Germany or the US, is because of material interests. Imperialism bribes the working-class of the imperialist nation, thus its supported, but like i said, national self-determination doesn't include the right to oppress and exploit other nations, which is what imperialism is. Russia on the other hand isn't imperialist and isn't oppressing any nation by defending itself from Ukrainian nazi chauvinism. The SMO, and the Donbass people's struggle for freedom is supported by the people. Dismissing people with "people don't know what they want" is moronic liberalism, there always is a reason.
>I guess multipolarists can be anything, nationalists, populists, opportunists.>The only thing they have trouble with is actual socialismActual socialism (picrel):
No.1353049
>>1353032>80 tanks in a war of over half a million menGame changing move
No.1353051
>>1353043I guarantee that nobody gives a shit what some lanky westoid like you thinks about one of the most famous and most-loved figured in the history of humanity. You wouldn't last 5 minutes in a debate with Kautsky let alone Stalin
No.1353053
>>1353035>Also, even if Russia wins, I feel like the imperial core will continue to wage proxy warsWith what armies? The war in Ukraine has shaken up the old guard in the west as much as Napoleon did during the Napoleonic Wars. Western doctrine has been proven false, where all the shiny expensive toys of the west got blasted to pieces by work horse systems of Russia going back to the old Soviet army idea that quantity has a quality of its own.
No.1353055
>>1353042people have been telling stories about the past since forever
Modern historography, and the sciences, though, are a recent invention.
Read a book.
No.1353056
>>1353032>hundreds of Leopard 2s to spareDoes it, though?
No.1353062
>>1352888I honestly don't know what the majority opinion was, is, or will be. I said the US MIC was inefficient and obsessed with wunderwaffen not long after the war started, and a few people (not here) said I was downplaying them and "saying the same thing about the US that chinlets say about Russia" (which in retrospect is neither here nor there, surely?).
Then a few people called me out for suggesting that the US investing in fucking laser-equipped AC130s was a waste of money because they are technically possible to make and could be useful in certain circumstances (despite the context being that they wanted to use them for blowing up vehicles on the ground… y'know, like the fucking spartan laser from Halo).
But just recently I got BTFOd by tankanon and co. for believing the hype about the Abrams, and over the last week or so it seems that plenty of people are willing to admit that the US military has been hollowed out by neoliberalism and exists to enrich shareholders and arms manufacturers, and perhaps isn't quite as effective a force as it could be.
I'm not even sure I know what *I* think anymore.
No.1353064
>>1353022Why were the white guards nationalists but the Bolsheviks were not nationalist then? Do you even know what nationalism is? Any knowledge of the Borotbists? It sounds like you didn't read the basics (Stalin). Ending korenization was a mistake. Take the L bozo
No.1353065
>>1353063Reminder about the castration video Ukrainians released, with one of the perpetrators wearing limited edition shoes that only olympians get.
No.1353066
>>1353039>Feel free to check liberal plans for "post-war in Ukraine" Russiatheir dreams of "decolonizing" Russia into a million little fragmented oblasts that declare their own nationhood because of shit going back to the 1400s ain't gonna happen
No.1353069
>>1353048Money isn't real. But what's real is the cop who will throw you in jail for not pretending it is.
Let me guess, you also think private property is real, liberal.
No.1353071
>>1353048Thesis: Society of the spectacle
Antithesis: No such thing as society
Synthesis: No society, only spectacle
No.1353072
>>1353069>Money isn't "real" but it is real in its consequencesI feel like you are slowly getting it. Good.
No.1353074
>>1353049>Game changing movePicrel.
My metaphor meant that Russia may lose to a myriad of bad, smaller issues, which add up; not big developments individually.
No.1353076
>>1353068Googling "Ukrainian castration video" will lead you right to it. My hard drive is better spent on porn and vidya.
No.1353077
>>1353070nice pretty pictures, any relevant argument?
No.1353079
>>1353077>the irrelevant argument in the background was in bad faith all alongYup, sounds about right. Back to ignoring.
No.1353081
>>1353072It's kinda like racism. The consequences exist, but the thing itself doesn't.
Thinking there's consequences to belief in races is common sense. Thinking that race exists makes you a racist.
Same with nations and nationalism.
No.1353082
>>1353047>Imperialism bribes the working-class of the imperialist nationYou're gonna get a lot of flak from patzis for saying this, but you're right. Burgeroids don't like hearing that fact.
Fun reading:
https://www.archives.nyc/blog/2020/5/8/the-hard-hat-riots No.1353083
>>1353079Leninhat was already shown why he was wrong about the only way ukrainian nationalism ever manifested itself was chauvinism, so the matter is settled either way
No.1353085
>>1353082>You're gonna get a lot of flak from patzis for saying thisBro what? Even Haz agrees with the fact that the American working class are bribed by imperialism.
No.1353091
>>1353081>anon discovers what "socially constructed" meansgood for you!
No.1353093
>>1353045>US gets taken down as a world power>multiple poles of power have been established>but US is still one of those poles of power with pockets of influence<NOOO YOU STILL HAVE TO OPPOSE THE US AND SUPPORT RUSSIA BECAUSE UHH THE US COULD RE-ESTABLISH ITSELF guarantee you this will happen, even once the US is restricted to the Western hemisphere ziggers will still be calling us cucks for not fellating everythign the Russians are trying to do in Central Asia
No.1353095
>>1353093what the russians are trying to do in central asia conflicts with what the chinese are trying to do in central asia so it'll be chinese and russian multipolarists at eachother's throats though
No.1353097
>>1353093Once the US is just a pope, the entire imperialist order goes into terminal crisis and decline. At that point I would support Russia and China to preserve anti-imperialist containment and prevent restoration of Western supremacy
No.1353099
>>1353005
>Let us take an example. No philosophical proposition has earned more gratitude from narrow-minded governments and wrath from equally narrow-minded liberals than Hegel’s famous statement: “All that is real is rational; and all that is rational is real.” That was tangibly a sanctification of things that be, a philosophical benediction bestowed upon despotism, police government, Star Chamber proceedings and censorship. That is how Frederick William III and how his subjects understood it. But according to Hegel certainly not everything that exists is also real, without further qualification. For Hegel the attribute of reality belongs only to that which at the same time is necessary: “In the course of its development reality proves to be necessity.” A particular governmental measure — Hegel himself cites the example of “a certain tax regulation” — is therefore for him by no means real without qualification. That which is necessary, however, proves itself in the last resort to be also rational; and, applied to the Prussian state of that time, the Hegelian proposition, therefore, merely means: this state is rational, corresponds to reason, insofar as it is necessary; and if it nevertheless appears to us to be evil, but still, in spite of its evil character, continues to exist, then the evil character of the government is justified and explained by the corresponding evil character of its subjects. The Prussians of that day had the government that they deserved.
>Now, according to Hegel, reality is, however, in no way an attribute predictable of any given state of affairs, social or political, in all circumstances and at all times. On the contrary. The Roman Republic was real, but so was the Roman Empire, which superseded it. In 1789, the French monarchy had become so unreal, that is to say, so robbed of all necessity, so irrational, that it had to be destroyed by the Great Revolution, of which Hegel always speaks with the greatest enthusiasm. In this case, therefore, the monarchy was the unreal and the revolution the real. And so, in the course of development, all that was previously real becomes unreal, loses it necessity, its right of existence, its rationality. And in the place of moribund reality comes a new, viable reality — peacefully if the old has enough intelligence to go to its death without a struggle; forcibly if it resists this necessity. Thus the Hegelian proposition turns into its opposite through Hegelian dialectics itself: All that is real in the sphere of human history, becomes irrational in the process of time, is therefore irrational by its very destination, is tainted beforehand with irrationality, and everything which is rational in the minds of men is destined to become real, however much it may contradict existing apparent reality. In accordance with all the rules of the Hegelian method of thought, the proposition of the rationality of everything which is real resolves itself into the other proposition: All that exists deserves to perish.
>But precisely therein lay the true significance and the revolutionary character of the Hegelian philosophy (to which, as the close of the whole movement since Kant, we must here confine ourselves), that it once and for all dealt the death blow to the finality of all product of human thought and action. Truth, the cognition of which is the business of philosophy, was in the hands of Hegel no longer an aggregate of finished dogmatic statements, which, once discovered, had merely to be learned by heart. Truth lay now in the process of cognition itself, in the long historical development of science, which mounts from lower to ever higher levels of knowledge without ever reaching, by discovering so-called absolute truth, a point at which it can proceed no further, where it would have nothing more to do than to fold its hands and gaze with wonder at the absolute truth to which it had attained. And what holds good for the realm of philosophical knowledge holds good also for that of every other kind of knowledge and also for practical action. Just as knowledge is unable to reach a complete conclusion in a perfect, ideal condition of humanity, so is history unable to do so; a perfect society, a perfect “state”, are things which can only exist in imagination. On the contrary, all successive historical systems are only transitory stages in the endless course of development of human society from the lower to the higher. Each stage is necessary, and therefore justified for the time and conditions to which it owes its origin. But in the face of new, higher conditions which gradually develop in its own womb, it loses vitality and justification. It must give way to a higher stage which will also in its turn decay and perish. Just as the bourgeoisie by large-scale industry, competition, and the world market dissolves in practice all stable time-honored institutions, so this dialectical philosophy dissolves all conceptions of final, absolute truth and of absolute states of humanity corresponding to it. For it [dialectical philosophy], nothing is final, absolute, sacred. It reveals the transitory character of everything and in everything; nothing can endure before it except the uninterrupted process of becoming and of passing away, of endless ascendancy from the lower to the higher. And dialectical philosophy itself is nothing more than the mere reflection of this process in the thinking brain. It has, of course, also a conservative side; it recognizes that definite stages of knowledge and society are justified for their time and circumstances; but only so far. The conservatism of this mode of outlook is relative; its revolutionary character is absolute — the only absolute dialectical philosophy admits.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/ludwig-feuerbach/ch01.htm No.1353101
>>1353095>>1353093>discussing post-US world orderSurvive it first.
No.1353103
>>1353093You are right, it most definitely will happen. The people too invested in the spectacle will carry on this pro-Russian bias years after multipolarity has been established.
But those not invested in the spectacle will update their material analysis on one based on that new multipolar world and discarding the deprecated one based on the current western unipolarity we live in.
That is simply the state of things. I know the new poles will be capitalist, which means conflicts will happen between them. But that doesn't change the fact that all those poles establishing independence from the western unipolar one means they can properly unleash their productive forces without being stifled by the West. And that, is a prerequisite for global socialism.
No.1353106
>>1353103>we'll update our world-view after US collapses, ok?X
The point of class consciousness and a Marxist education is that you aren't beholden and simply responding to material conditions, like a basic, falsely conscious, bitch.
No.1353108
>>1353093Imagine if Stalin stopped at the Oder.
No.1353113
>>1353106How is still screeching about taking down the western global hegemony after it's been long take down in any way adhering to marxism?
That's like the retards who still apply a material analysis of the early 20th century onto today's conditions.
No.1353117
>>1353113>taking down the western global hegemony after it's been long take down>western global hegemony>downI doubt you understand what this entails.
No.1353118
>>1353112Didn't you ask me this before? I think I remember answering this
No.1353121
>>1353118Did I really? I don't remember asking that, if I did I'm sorry for forgetting, but what would your gist be?
No.1353124
>>1353117Breaking ties between the US and Europe and reducing each of them into mere regional powers.
They cannot be taken down completely, just knocked down from their positions of rulers of the world. And that entails the West weakening itself by desperate actions like the Ukraine war untill more and more countries will be able to unshackle themselves from the US.
No.1353125
>>1353091Another way to say not real, qed
No.1353127
>>1353124And you think the West will only limit itself to proxy wars, do you?
No.1353132
>>1353127Obviously, no. They'll use the whole package of sanctions, coups, embargos, terrorist strikes etc.
But all of those come with their own costs. Costs that aren't sustainable now that the IS is far from it's peak in the 80s/90s.
No.1353134
>>1353132No open warfare? You think your luck is high enough for history to take an unprecedented course?
No.1353136
>>1353132 (me)
And to add, their adversaries like China and Russia have developed enough that, combined with the costs, can put meaningful pressure on the West, like Russia is doing with it's reduced supply of natural gas and oil to West, shaking up their economies as the IMF predictions show.
No.1353138
I've found iron felix twitter account.
No.1353142
>>1353138u wot? Unbanned?
No.1353143
Nazi germany was a progressive force, they were a national bourgeois state fighting against global international capital
No.1353144
>>1353134Of course, open warfare is a possiblity. But a low one.
The US will only do a direct conflict with China and/or Russia if their standing at home is at risk. As Ukraine shows, they're not willing to get directly involved over vassals.
No.1353145
>>1353143Except for the British, French and Americans bankrolling the likes of Krupp and Porsche and have them all their capital back after slapping them on the wrist after WWII.
No.1353146
>>1353121The situations are identical and when I was watching Ukraine go down in 2014 I read it exactly in the terms I read Georgia. That is, NATO is supporting the export of a European style unitary nation-state model to accelerate decommunization, clashing with the the SSR construction from these states and the minorities that benefit from them. Crimea, South Ossetia, and Abkhazia are resisting the central government by conserving their soviet era autonomy (ASSR/autonomous oblast), which clashes with the central government and its desire for the decommunization path of centralization into a unitary state that is then made dependent on western capital.
Donbass isn't an AO/ASSR, however it is a historic intersection of Russia and Ukraine which tried to join the RSFSR in early 1918 and later resisted Korenization. It also voted in a referendum for autonomy in 1994. When Ukraine's implementation of decommunization vis those two key features I mentioned meant severing the nation's ties to Russia, autonomy again became overwhelmingly popular. Ukraine refused to grant it because it saw autonomy as freezing decommunization like Abkhazia and South Ossetia did, acting as a veto on the central government that obstructed European ties. In the name of stopping another Crimea, which Ukraine and the West claimed was just the product of Russian hybrid warfare (in reality polls showed Crimea wanted out after the Feb 21 coup), Ukraine declared war on Donbass to force it under the central government and to accept severing of ties to Russia.
Both Ukraine and Georgia demonstrate how decommunization throws the region back to the 90s and Western imperialism rationalizes the divisions this reveals as the battle between democratic and anti-democratic nationalities. This fuses local ethnic supremacy with European supremacy. The result is imperialist expansion into the former USSR reproduces the national question the USSR solved, creating these ASSRs/AOs in the first place plus proliferating ties between the republics.
Thus we are dealing with crises manufactured by Europe and then laid at the feet of Russia and its fifth column minorities (the actual words used are much harsher, so I will not use them and yes they involve denying Abkhazians and Ossetians exist for example). This is then then the logic used to fuel a war to save European expansion, which finally crossed a red line with NATO conflicting with the will of Donbass and Crimea against Ukrainian nationalism.
No.1353149
>>1353140>>1353142found him by a retweet.
and I noticed it was 'digital partisan' tg being promoted, so it's him
https://nitter.it/Dzerzhinsky45 No.1353150
>>1353145You think the west won't get in bed with surviving russian oligarchs if they win?
No.1353151
>>1353143>Nazi germany was a progressive force, they were a national bourgeois state fighting against global international capital<most tyrannical dictatorship of finance capital <national bourgeoisKek
No.1353152
>>1353149Damn donbass devushka tweeted him? I'm jealous
No.1353153
>>1353150The west was always in bed with the German Nazis, their goal was for Nazi Germany and the USSR to destroy each other so the west could carve up eastern and central Europe.
No.1353155
>>1353093>even once the US is restricted to the Western hemisphere ziggers will still be calling us cucks for not fellating everything the Russians are trying to do in Central AsiaA better alternative will be that of the US being restricted to just Canada. From Mexico onwards it's all anti-imperialist
No.1353159
>>1353152I am tempted of following him, for the lulz, and whack him once he gets angry for whatever reason. but I don't want to make myself public, I am Anonymous.
No.1353164
>>1353146Cool, thanks for giving your thoughts.
No.1353169
>>1353146I forgot to add, but this contradiction decommunization is causing and the European reliance on the unitary nation state model in order to expand, with both of these serving to expand liberal unipolarity and guarantee it for the new century, exposes how liberalism struggles with non-western conditions and can be part of reactionary regression rather than democratic progress. However, it was propelled to expand there anyway given the mix of collapse of AES in the periphery and inter-imperialist integration in the core (neoliberalism), the two conditions underpinning globalization. Multipolarity is going to end these two conditions and fix this problem with globalization that is causing war.
No.1353175
>>1353159It's best to let him write. Hes pretty good. I just wish he behaved better here.
No.1353189
Can somebody post that video with the dota map overlayed with pictures of Putin and other figures in this way with that basshunter dota song playing?
No.1353208
>>1353197Thanks. It's still my favorite video from this whole conflict.
No.1353214
>>1353208You can check more of those videos at the ukraine videos thread
No.1353226
>>1353215I dunno, it's funny thinking of this whole conflict framed as a real life Dota game betwen Putin and pals and Zelensky and co.
No.1353227
>>1353226Not to some people, since Putin won't stop farming.
No.1353243
>>1352813>Nations are OBJECTIVElol
Imagine thinking anything is "objective' or still upholding the "subjective" v "objective" dualism.
No.1353250
>>1353245Why do Ukrainian nationalists think they have a claim to that kuban region
No.1353251
>>13532451919 Ukraine didn't exist in that state due to the Russian civil-war where Ukraine was divided between Whites and Reds.
No.1353255
>>1353250The Cossacks are Ukrainians, actually.
t. Ukrainians
No.1353275
>>1353256Imagine being a Russian lib in 2023 who for decades hyped about how much better Russian would be if they had more western style society. Average Russian now most likely either laugh at their naivete or overtly see these people as traitors.
No.1353287
>>1353143So true bestie, the Nazi party were building up the productive forces by using MEFO bills and allying with the Krupps, that heccin ultra Stalin ruined it all
No.1353293
>>1353290Yeah, we get it, feddit bad and you got banned from it.
No.1353304
>>1353290I'm just imagining if the Avengers all teamed up to defeat Putler (Putin but Hitler because he basically is Hitler at this point). Imagine Captain America's shield blocking tank shells, Stark industries donating weapons to the Ukranian military. Imagine if the Hulk jumped around Ukraine, smashing invading Russian tanks and if Hawkeye shot down Russian planes. That would be so fucking cool. I also sometimes imagine if Hogwarts helped Ukraine and the Wizards started casting spells on Putler and his guys, oh and if Jedi masters used the force to pull down Russian planes and to block artillary shells with lightsabers. WHY COULD I NOT HAVE BEEN BORN IN THIS UNIVERSE I HATE OUR CURRENT ONE. PLEASE LETS MAKE THIS A REALITY
No.1353306
>>1353008This isn’t me, this is a vulgar parody of me, and fellow Anons should realize this because the Imposter inaccurately portrayed my Maoist Line, and insinuated that I think PPW is universally applicable in the current material conditions, when I am a Sisonite Maoist who believes PPW is currently applicable in the Periphery/Semi-Periphery (including in Semi-Periphery Imperialist States such as Dengist China and Putinist Russia, if/when they are internally destabilized through a embarrassing Military defeat, which is happening as we speak in the latter, and is very likely to happen in the next decade or two in the former), but is not currently applicable in the material conditions of the Imperial Core (it will only be so if/when a Nuclear War breaks out, something Mao himself believed would pave the Shining Path to Communism), which means Western Maoists should critically support Social Democrats as a Lesser Evil to Crypto-Fascist Rightoids in the meantime, ✊😜!
No.1353310
>>1353306What the fuck is happening
No.1353315
>>1353310What do you mean by that, 🤔?
No.1353316
>>1353309Marxism
is a hard science. Just like physics. It has rules, it has laws, it has recognizable patterns and data. But the moment you zoom in to look at the atomic level, everything stops making sense, and it's just an incomprehensible mess.
No.1353317
>>1353309Lol they lasted only a few months?
No.1353320
>>1353309uh huh just like Blackwater was no more after they rebranded to Academi
No.1353323
>>1353320It's Constellis now.
No.1353330
>>1353323🌌🤩
>>1353173actual photo of Matthew Christman (he is about to call molotov ribbentrop an alliance, no one will ever correct him, there is nothing you can do to stop it)
No.1353333
>>1353320https://theintercept.com/2023/01/20/ukraine-mozart-group-us-veterans/>U.S. MILITARY VETS IN UKRAINE ARE FIGHTING EACH OTHER IN COURT>Amid accusations of fraud and sexual misconduct, the founders of the high-profile Mozart Group are waging a personal war back home.
>Andy Bain, a businessman in Kyiv since the 2000s and a former Marine, filed a lawsuit in Wyoming, where Mozart is registered as a limited liability company, accusing Milburn of financial fraud, sexual misconduct, burglary, attempted bribery, avoidance of U.S. weapons-transfer regulations, and even threatening a retired American general.The Masketta Man.
No.1353334
>>1353008>>1353306You have five seconds to prove you are the REAL Lear! Or else I blast the both you.
What should be the optimal hair style of women after the revolution? Answer this now!
No.1353338
>>1353334Pixie cut or shorter in order to liberate Women from Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity, ✊😜!
No.1353345
>>1353335Absolutely gemAlso love the ending.
No.1353346
>>1353227In Putin's case, is 'going jungle'.
No.1353347
>>1353333>Amid accusations of fraud and sexual misconduct, the founders of the high-profile Mozart Group are waging a personal war back home.>Andy Bain, a businessman in Kyiv since the 2000s and a former Marine, filed a lawsuit in Wyoming, where Mozart is registered as a limited liability company, accusing Milburn of financial fraud, sexual misconduct, burglary, attempted bribery, avoidance of U.S. weapons-transfer regulations, and even threatening a retired American general.LOL
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>>1353335>the endkek, kek.
No.1353350
>>1353255Do you have any book on red cossacks? white cossacks are easy to find, as they were replicated by the only superpower that didn't get pounded and promoted as anti-communism. but it is secrecy to see the red ones.
No.1353358
>>1353356watch millburn becoming zgang, saying this is retaliation for saying ukraine is corrupt, and whatnot, becoming another arestovich.
it will be a fun show.
No.1353359
>>1353358Wait, was Milburn the one that drunkenly said Ukraine is a corrupt shithole and he hated training them?
No.1353368
>>1353362I knew he was one of the twats that went to Ukraine to train them, I didn't know he was the Mozart founder. And he ended up on Myrotvorets, too. Amazing.
No.1353428
Just a random factoid. This is Halder's diaries, and here Halder says that Russians (Budyonnyi) were the originators of "quick mass concentration"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg
>word used to describe a surprise attack using a rapid, overwhelming force concentrationAs far as I can tell, Halder actually talks about mechanized warfare here (Russian translation says so, anyway)
No.1353478
>>1353428so how did Budyonnyi became known just as the horse guy ?.
No.1353480
>>1352584Hey Int. Brigade flag anon, you said how Avakov may be considered for Minister of Internal Affairs? Seems like they want nothing to do with him lol
I think Zelensky wants to get some room by getting old heavyweights out of office, and the West's support and love for him allows for a shakeup.
No.1353481
>>1353480>out of officeI meant out of the picture
No.1353505
>>1353478He was considered a cavalry genius and played a key role during the civil war but didn't do good during WW2. I guess he couldn't adapt to tank warfare.
No.1353507
>>1353505Bizarre. Bikes and trucks are just better cavalry. Maybe HoI4 should split that bonus.
No.1353510
>>1353064The Bolsheviks were communists and internationalist, pretty obvious, dunce.
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