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 No.1340379[Last 50 Posts]


Someone explaining it to me I asked a couple of questions and merged their answers together.

"The Philippines have apparently advanced beyond strategic equilibrium and the armistice has been called off. Usually there are consistent ceasefires, now that Sison is dead it may seem that the Party has switched gears, and the pattern of ceasefires are not being followed. from what I know the CPP declared that they were in a state of Strategic Equilibrium a very long time ago. This was where Sison's entire policy of "accumulating forces" came from, and also why the Strategic Equilibrium didn't transform into a Strategic Offensive. This is why I see the ending of the ceasefires as their transition to a Strategic Offensive, because the ceasefires came as a result of the Party's belief that they had reached Equilibrium, and now those ceasefires are not being renewed, says to me that they are moving beyond Strategic Equilibrium."

What I would add is notice in the document that the NPA mentions using their superior forces against smaller groups of the enemy army all over the country. Also note that the Philippine's government wants the Maoists to ceasefire and the Maoists don't accept the offer. The Philippine's government is so desperate they are arresting citizens etc and claiming they are Maoists. I wouldn't be surprised if those news articles you see which can be summarized as "A few people died to Maoists, a few Maoists killed" are government created.(bait thread but also opportunity for discussion)

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>>1340379
Forgot to post this document it is key to the post

 No.1340424

Bumping for an answer

 No.1340437

>>1340379
If it is really crucial as you say I hope China assists in help tip the scales. Having the Philippines as a new socialist ally of would be a game changer for geopolitics. Also I wonder if USA is gonna Intervene since it would bring back memories of the Filipino war. This for sure seems like a catalyst towards a war if I saw one

 No.1340439

nope

 No.1340444

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>>1340379
bumping for more info

 No.1340450

>close to winning
Get real son.

 No.1340483

>>1340379
Too new of a development to have an opinion.

 No.1340543

>>1340379
Gonzaloids are always claiming that Maoists somewhere on on the verge of total victory. Give us something concrete. Name a city that has been captured by the Maoists.

 No.1340545

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>>1340437
>china
>helping socialist countries

 No.1340550

>>1340545
Yeah yeah le ceeceepee is state capitalist I know fuck off ultra

 No.1340553

It'll be interesting and good thing if the maoists can win this one. We'd have to recognize MLM as at least viable

>>1340545
they help anybody and the chinese communist party is beholden to their people, we'd likely see a special relationship of a similar type to the african countries china helps except with even better rates, it'd depend on how the marxists in the philippines navigate the situation with china

 No.1340572

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>>1340437
>If it is really crucial as you say I hope China assists in help tip the scales.
Anon…. I have bad news

 No.1340574

>>1340572
the source this btw is "Darker Nations" by Vijay Prashad, who is not a big China-Hating Ultra. He's just honest about these things.

 No.1340581

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>>1340550
They sell arms to deuterte who uses those weapons to kill maoists. The reason why China does deals with other countries such as the DPRK and Vietnam is hardly based on an interest to advance international socialism, but rather to ensure that their nation-state doesn't collapse and that it maintains its survival within the hellhole of capitalism.
Keep in mind, China advocates for the two state solution to palestine, knowingly makes trade deals with Israel and also does arms deals with Saudi Arabia.

Ultra is a meaningless buzzword.

 No.1340583

>>1340572
>>1340574
Isn’t prishay literally supportive of the CPC and considers it AES?
>>1340581
Source

 No.1340586

>>1340379
where did you hear this? What I've heard regarding strategic equilibrium:

in 2010 they said they expected in the next 5 years to advance from strategic defensive to strategic equilibrium.

in 2020 or thereabouts, they said they were expecting to advance from advanced stage of strategic defensive to strategic equilibrium very soon, pending a ton of arms they had to buy/collect/manufacture.

Now they say their forces are stronger than they've ever been, and the people are ready to fight. All this said, I havent heard anything about strategic equilibrium actually being reached, and i dont know if the BongBong gov is interested in ceasefires at all? If they are trying to call any its obviously a trap, since theyve stepped up their military training and assistance from the US and Israel.

The only thing that would signal this as true is that right now there's talk of a Duterte coup plot against BongBong, and a split between the AFP and PNP (army and cops) plus the global economic downturn.

If this is true I'm cheering for them!

>>1340437
US has been intervening since 1896 non-stop lmao
China is currently trying to suck up oil and fish from water around the philippines, hurting their economy.
Other facets of the situation: US has many many military bases in the Philippines, while Marcos allowed chinese naval ships to chill on the western side of the island. Mf has a genocidal deathwish it seems like, because the obvious outcome is PH becoming the battleground between US and China. I hope the filipino people kick out the US and China.

>>1340543
yea this. So far as I kno, theyre active in the countryside, and ative in most of the provinces, but only in urban areas with legal above ground organizations. Unless there has been some massive strikes and insurrection, i doubt there has been a real change.

 No.1340589

>>1340586
>Theyre active in the countryside and alive in most provinces but only in urban areas with above ground legal organizations
So which one

 No.1340590

>>1340586
>battle ground between us and china
I think the smart thing would be to allow their naval ships to defend their waters, but under some sort of agreement that unless the US became agressive towards the Philippines that they would have a sort of hands off policy of sorts

 No.1340595

>>1340572
>1971
Wasn’t that the year Lou shaqui became leader?

 No.1340596

>>1340595
if one leader can rekt your entire system, then it sucks

 No.1340601

>>1340596
Anon the years you cited were literally in the middle of the cultural revolution. It’s disingenuous to act like it was all one cohesive system when these took place during one of parties most divisive periods

 No.1340607

>>1340437
>China
<assisting Maoists
Lol. Last time this happened they sold guns to the monarchies of Nepal and Thailand. You’re placing bets on a dying race horse.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2005/11/25/china-aiding-nepals-fight-with-maoists
China would rather doom the world and themselves rather than help communists.

 No.1340609

>>1340607
>aljazeera
Anon I…

 No.1340612

>>1340581
They want Vietnam Cuba and the DPRK under their thumb as buffer zones to eternity. That’s why they got so flustered when KJU got nukes.

 No.1340615

>>1340609
>ALJAZEERA ITS REACTIONARY SO WHAT IT PUBLISHES MUST BE WRONG ALWAYS 100%
Dude, PRC has had an absolutely fetid, backwards, and cruel foreign politics since the Sino-Soviet split all based around it campist, anti-Soviet political lines that ended up betraying fellow communists around the globe.

 No.1340617

>>1340437
its cute that some people think this is a possibility, rather than China being literally on the other side.

 No.1340620

>>1340609
oh here we go again, deng brains gonna have to be let down gently. First comes denial. Then comes Chinese policy in Afghanistan, then denial again, then acceptance

 No.1340627

>>1340615
>i hate western MSM media except when it suits me

 No.1340629

>>1340627
>>8757
>>8757
>>8757
you can take your pick of sources

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 No.1340633

>>1340627
>China is actually based and never has screwed over ideological contemporaries for hegemonic self gain like the USSR
>China is actually based, the liberal economic foundation it has built since the 1960s has no liberal contradictions whatsoever that point the PRC towards imperialist path
Retard ideologue

 No.1340636

>>1340633
I don’t think China is perfect, but I think the complex history of the cpc indicate it is a revolutionary party. The fact that it’s had anti corruption campaigns repeatedly is a better look than the revisionist bureaucracy the cpsu went through

 No.1340642

>>1340636
Yeah dude, supporting Pol Pot "is not perfect"
Nor is them pivoting to an anti Soviet stance just because of the Sino Soviet Split, abandoning and invading communist contemporaries, and moving internationally and domestically in a way nearly identical to any Western social democracy. Progressive? Yes. Revolutionary? Ill be generous and say time will tell

 No.1340644

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Why do Vietanons get so huffy about purism? I wasn't aware Vietnam was a commie paradise.

 No.1340649

>>1340644
Lol, Vietnam uses the USA as a buffer against PRC expansionism in the South China Sea (like most SEA countries) and trade with the USA is the primary reason as to why Vietnamese living standards have been rising so rapidly in the past decades.

 No.1340650

>>1340642
I would be more cynical of china if they followed the same economic pattern as soviet Russia post Stalin. But again, the fact that they have had disputes and tensions as opposed to a linear trend of bureaucracy indicates it’s a good party.

 No.1340654

>>1340650
PRC builds its wealth on the bones of communists and proles fighting for emancipation in the Philippines, India, Palestine, etc. While they have had a slight leftward turn, once its domestic market cannot be exploited anymore it will turn to foreign market control. This is me ignoring the necessity of liberal assimilation and colonization of heterogeneous people-groups in order to control its own nationalist ambitions

 No.1340659

>>1340654
Yeah okay sure

 No.1340661

>>1340654
*decice, not control

>>1340659
liberal necessity and contradiction does not apply to china because it has a communist party

 No.1340662

>>1340654
also It’s so funny how people site prashad as le epic own of ceeceepee yet he’s an advocate of the current xi administration, you know the one that supposedly completely liberal

 No.1340665

>>1340450
>>1340543
yeah im also skeptical

 No.1340667

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Vietnamese communist billionaires! No contradictions.

>Mr. Pham Nhat Vuong is the richest man in Vietnam in 2021 - Source: vneconomy.vn


>Pham Nhat Vuong, a chairman of Vingroup - Vietnam's largest conglomerate, is the richest person in Vietnam in 9 straight years and is listed in the world’s richest billionaires with total assets of 7.3 billion USD.


>Vingroup of Pham Nhat Vuong is the most famous multi-industry corporation in Vietnam with a wide range of brands such as: Vinhomes (a system of luxurious apartments and villas), Vincom (a chain of shopping malls), Vinpearl (high-class resort and entertainment system), Vinschool (an inter-level educational system), Vinsmart (electronic devices and smartphones), Vinpearl Airline, Vineco (clean agricultural products), and the list goes on.


I want to hear Vietnam anon explain why China is le evil revisionist and Vietnam is not, seems like they're just worse at it.. Just seems like blind patriotism and sour grapes. Even Quora knows the answer.

 No.1340670

>>1340662
Because the PRC is the most progressive country of our times. It's no contest. The USA has had the past 30 years to put the world under its thumb and the PRC is the one country that is able to -economically- challenge and possibly unseat the Yanks.
Its an indictment of the horrible errors and crimes of XXth century communists and the terrible modernity that their actions and decisions helped fundamentally create.

 No.1340671

>>1340661
>liberal necessity and contradiction does not apply to china because it has a communist party
Unironically
>nooooo I was being sarcastic
Yeah buddy the largest communist party in the world is a total sham sure bro 80 million members is nothing

 No.1340673

>>1340671
The USSR and the Warsaw Pact was the strongest any communist alliance has ever existed and it crumbled from inside. What a fucking child

 No.1340674

>>1340673
Oh so you just a doomer
>it’s over commiebros…
Fuck off

 No.1340675

>>1340437
Given that Philippines' largest export growth sector is semiconductors, it would make geopolitical sense for China to lure Philippine National Police off the roof of a local semiconductor factory. They don't have safety nets there because the Philippines is a capitalist country that does not care for the workers unlike socialist China.

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>>1340674
s-stfu doomer! china based! trust the plan!
>Picrel

 No.1340679

>>1340676
Nah i just don’t put all my faith and hope in one historical country like you do

 No.1340683

>>1340679
cool dodge retard

 No.1340684

>>1340683
Me
>supports cpc because I consider it one of many AES countries
You
>is a doomer bc the Soviet Union fell
Who’s the one who is dickriding again?

 No.1340687

>>1340684
most literate leftypoler

 No.1340703

>>1340696
k retard stirner

 No.1340711

>>1340589
sorry for my choice of words, They exist in much of the country, in urban areas this takes the form of legal organizations, in rural areas this takes the form of the NPA, and in a few areas this takes the form of battle fronts (most NPA work is aiding the peasants).
>>1340590
The US has been aggressive to the filipino people for the lat 125 years, the philippines is one of the countries with the most US military bases in it. It's heavily colonized, the government is comrador, and it's one of the countries where development has successfully been stifled to this day, about 3% of the workers are in industry, they have a huge call center sector tho and tons of labor intensive semi-feudal labor….. yea i think it's aggression already, if by another name. Of course all the while the poor colonizers cry about "insurgency" "terrorism" and "massacres" on their soldiers. What a pity, if only they were able to, you know, leave.

The main problem tho isnt US aggression to the philippines, its US aggression towards china, because PH could become the no mans land, its a country of 100 million people, thats over 2/3 the population of russia for reference.

 No.1340713

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>>1340683
>>1340684
>Who’s the one who is dickriding again?
You both are.

 No.1340717

is the stirner anon the same anon that spammed the china thread

 No.1340726

>>1340724
begone stirner, i have a gun and now your computer is mine

 No.1340731

>>1340729
fool that was an automaton with a ticking time bomb

 No.1340732

>>1340711
Thanks for the context anon, but it almost seems like it’s inevitable to ally with china then. I could see Philippines becoming the next Taiwan in need of liberation

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>>1340721
>no the dick was riding you the whole time
I would know, it is my property.

 No.1340748

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/10/19/phil-o19.html

>CPP interview with Radio Free Asia of all people


>The CPP declared, “In particular, the revolutionary movement must take effort to frustrate plans of the Duterte regime to allow the further expansion of Chinese companies.” It called for the targeting of Chinese firms by the armed movement. No reference was made to American firms or to the economic interests of US imperialism.


>The RFA article noted that the CPP targets included “state-backed firms that the United States has blacklisted.” The blacklist of 24 Chinese firms alleged by the US State Department to be engaged in reclamation activities in the disputed waters of the South China Sea


>The elite opposition to Duterte, organized around the Liberal Party of Vice President Leni Robredo, has long-standing ties to Washington. They are attempting to channel the social outrage, produced by mass suffering under the conditions of the COVID-19 pandemic and the brutal authoritarianism of Duterte, against China.


>The CPP is openly allying with these forces and Sison has issued multiple statements calling on the “patriotic and pro-US sections of the military” to stage a coup, withdrawing their support from Duterte and installing Robredo as president.


>The Radio Free Asia article, which included interviews with both Sison and Valbuena, was published on the same day as the CPP statement. That journalists could read the CPP statement, schedule and conduct multiple interviews with individuals on different sides of the planet, and publish a detailed news article within the space of hours strains credulity. The evidence strongly suggests that the CPP coordinated the release of its statement with Radio Free Asia, arranging the interviews beforehand.


>Sison approvingly shared the Radio Free Asia article on his Facebook page.


Hmmmm big thonk to what the CPP is doing here, whatever tho… GOTTA TRUST THE PLAN

 No.1340768

>>1340748
Also I just checked the about page for the website and unfortunately it’s run by trots. That being said I think that just means that the article is more legitimate since they don’t have a dog In the fight.

 No.1340777

>>1340748
>he posts the trot article
You know in this same article the trot says that capitalism has been restored in China, how do you feel about that?

In the very first sentence he uses Stalinist as a pejorative.

There is so many things wrong with this it needs a line by line break down.

The underlying point that this is somebody who isn't pro China or the NPA, OR EVEN DUTERTE who he calls a "brutal authoritarian" complaining about the NPA giving an interview to a radio free asia subsidiary called Benar news (somehow this slips from the article not mentioned once). There is also, no mention at all of how the interview was gotten - journalists are famous for their integrity and inscrutability.. particularly cia ones.. -

Like its okay to have actively allied with the CIA in various war zones, including Afghanistan and the Phillipines, which China has done, but giving an interview is somehow completely beyond the pale? ..But then, the trot goes on to describe how the Chinese allied with US imperialism in the same way I have done above.. so.. its not that either

Large parts of the article are complete conjecture

>It is unlikely that the NPA will be able to conduct direct armed operations against the major Chinese firms blacklisted by the US government. The far more probable targets are small businesses owned by Chinese Filipinos, one of the more vulnerable social layers in the country. The CPP is whipping up an atmosphere of racist violence in service to the interests of its bourgeois allies and US imperialism.


In actuality, the NPA did indeed attack these Chinese backed projects.

At the same time, the trotskyist attacks the NPA for when they don't back Duterte, but also that they did back him at the start.

He attacks them for being anti china while he is also anti china, he attacks them for being CIA when he actively states that they have been in open warfare with the CIA for nearly a century.

Its all completely bananas, all over the place.

Then we get to the crux of why it was written:

>The historical betrayals carried out by Stalinism in the Philippines, and the instrumental role in this played by Joma Sison, were exposed in the August lecture delivered by Dr. Joseph Scalice at Nanyang Technological University. Scalice demonstrated with copious evidence that Sison and CPP had enthusiastically supported Duterte in 2016 and that this was in keeping with the support that the party had given to other sections of the ruling class over the course of its history.


>Sison responded with baseless slanders, claiming that Scalice was a “paid agent of the CIA.” There is not a shred of evidence for this claim.


>It now emerges that it is Sison himself who is collaborating with US government assets and directly articulating the interests of Washington


Sison called a trot a CIA once and the trot paper is seething.

 No.1340779

in the grand internet argument between dengoids and Maoists, we sometimes forget that there is a secret, third completely off the charts thing, and that is trotskyism

 No.1340782

>>1340779
Somehow even more irrelevant than Maoists

 No.1340783

>>1340777
Retard I literally admitted that it’s a trot article and that’s the reason why they don’t have a dog in this fight. You highlighting that the author is not sympathetic to either the CPC or the CPP proves this.

 No.1340790

>>1340777
>but giving an interview is somehow completely beyond the pale
Not just any Interview but an interview with a literal state backed anti communist media source. That’s like a neo nazi group doing an interview with antifa or some shit lol

 No.1340796

>>1340783
and also that they are not factually correct and make incorrect readings of the situation and say stupid meaningless things.

Lets try another, they say:

>One critical aspect in this statement was new, however. The CPP declared, “In particular, the revolutionary movement must take effort to frustrate plans of the Duterte regime to allow the further expansion of Chinese companies.” It called for the targeting of Chinese firms by the armed movement. No reference was made to American firms or to the economic interests of US imperialism.


as if this is something they don't and have not ever done, which is, just so patently and blatantly false.

>>1340790
>Not just any Interview but an interview with a literal state backed anti communist media source
the article actually fails to name the source.

>That’s like a neo nazi group doing an interview with antifa or some shit lol

no its like an armed communist insurgent group doing an interview with some journalist. You realise there is a long history of people doing interviews with people they don't like, in fact that is half of news media.

Perhaps, on its own, its suspicious, and you can concoct this narrative with it, but consider that 1) right now, the son of US/CIA backed phillipine dictator ferdinand marcos is in power 2) power is shared with the daughter of Duterte who is his vice president. 3) The NPA is at war with all of the above.

 No.1340841

>>1340796
>no its like an armed communist insurgent group doing an interview with some journalist.
You are being intentionally disingenuous. There is absolutely no justification for a voluntary interview with one of the biggest anti communist publications in the world

 No.1340845

>>1340732
thanks for the thanks, but…. my point was that the philippines is already occupied by the US, who is facilitating AFP 'counter-terrorism' operations there. The context of escalation, the NDF winning power, has beating the US military as a prerequisite. I agree it would probably pragmatic to ally with a large and powerful neighboring state to gain protection.

>>1340748
>calling on the “patriotic and pro-US sections of the military” to stage a coup
we do a little trolling 😏

 No.1340876

https://philippinerevolution.nu/statements/resist-relentless-and-brutal-state-terrorism-as-we-mark-holidays-and-the-partys-anniversary/
<As we join the people in solidarity with their holidays and in marking the 54th anniversary of the Party on December 26, and even as we mourn the recent passing away of our beloved comrade Jose Ma. Sison, the NPA is authorized to launch tactical offensives against the fascist enemy of the people. Units of the NPA can concentrate a superior force against the isolated, weak, and tired units of the AFP and PNP, in order to punish the masterminds and perpetrators of the growing number of fascist crimes.

It sounds like most claims come from here. This is not the NPA declaring that they have entered the stage of tactical offensive in their people's war, instead they are saying "keep doing what you've been doing! keep up the good fight!"

 No.1340880

>>1340861
i know this is a joke, but since this attitude is common…

Consider the actual context of that scenario. If one remote village is conquered, what does that actually mean? It means the village people feel that the guerrillas are fighting for their cause, and the village supports the fighters. If there is even one remote jungle village that is being done injustice, the presence of advocates and fighters for their justice and prosperity is needed. Consider communism as something that grows organically from the masses, because all it is is the people coming together to advance our working class goals. Thinking in terms of conquest is wrong in this case, but irrelevant anyways - when has an asymmetric force, a guerrilla force, conquered any village? They don't have the power to, they don't have planes and tanks. They rely on the aid of the people at every step. When the people's aid diminishes, the revolution retreats. When it increases, the revolution advances. The guerrillas are like a stick floating on top of a river - they only serve to express the sentiments of the masses.

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 No.1340963

>people keep talking about a real socialist country as maoists continue to be less than useless

 No.1340965

>>1340748
Revisionists, revisionists, you are all revisionists
and opportunistic as fuck
none of you are free from sin

 No.1340973

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>>1340583
arms deal with Durterte
https://www.rt.com/news/369956-duterte-china-philippines-arms/

Two state solution advocation
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-07-19/China-pushes-for-two-state-solution-to-Palestinian-Israeli-conflict-1212JGSPxzW/index.html

Trade with Israel
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202201/1246773.shtml

Arms deal with Saudi Arabia
https://www.leaders-mena.com/saudi-gets-huge-arms-deal-from-china-worth-4-billion/

But of course, pointing out these facts makes one an ultra, never mind that aiding in the military advancement of these anti-communist and genocidal regimes dampens the advancement of international socialism.

 No.1340982

>The Philippines might be close to revolution
>Yes but what about China?

 No.1340983

>>1340982
Tbf it's really not
that's western maotism for you I guess, will never understand this mindset

 No.1340996

Why do China stans get upset when you do something as miniscule as criticising its foreign policy? Not very ruthlessly critiqued yall

 No.1340998

>>1340996
How come it's always some random shit from the 20th century?

 No.1341032


 No.1341046

I'm pretty pro-China in the grand scheme of things but some people here (especially in this thread) are delusional. China hasn't prioritized support for foreign communist movements in more than 50 years. The "trust the plan" and five-dimensional chess mentality is so reminiscent of Q-tards. What do you gain from denying the obvious reality? Why can't we simply acknowledge that China's domestic and foreign policy is a mixed bag?

 No.1341141

>>1340841
Not really man, the trot is evidently trying - based on mostly on conjecture, to tie the NPA to US imperialism and claims they are colluding.

It gives the evidence of the interview existing, okay, not great, but then conjures up a context that paints a narrative. However, a lot of that context is opinionated.

Further, somebody said up the thread that the trot doesn’t have a horse in the race, it does, the professor mentioned at the end of the piece, which is evidently who it is in aid of.

 No.1341142

Like if you are some kind of pro China neo-trot or whatever, okay. But most China supporters are not this, would view themselves in the Stalin tradition, and we are supposed to take from them the word of somebody who goes out of his way to disparage Stalinism over and again in this article. It sits wrong.

 No.1341153

>>1341046
China doesn't support communist movements in an antagonistic way, like helping revolutionary struggle against capitalist governments, but they do help communist countries with communist governments. Part of their strategy of win-win cooperation is that they don't export the revolution.

The other part is that the Chinese have analyzed the soviet soft-power struggle, and concluded that it was ultimately ineffective because the capitalists could learn and adapt to methods of communist struggle.

At the moment only the capitalists do this kind of stuff by exporting counter revolution through regime change and color revolutions, and it is the Chinese that can learn and adapt.

If the US breaks off trade and shifts towards war with China, that would mean no more win-win cooperation, and hence exporting revolution can be reconsidered. China would have the advantage because they know all the tricks of the other side while their stuff is entirely new and counter-measures do not exist yet.

 No.1341247

>>1340996
>Not very ruthlessly critiqued yall
'Ruthless Critque' is for Marx only, beyond that it just become an excuse for midwit retards to babble their opnions then get mad when someone tells them to shut up.

>>1341046
If China were to militarly aid the CPP would lead to it becoming a new Vietnam type war and lead to millions of people dying and give the USA an excuse to station as many troops as they want around China. Plus CPP has no chance of winning as they are more interested in larping as Mao in 1930s than building a genuine & effective tactic for the urban Philippines and to gain mass support. China has learned both from it own mistakes and USSR's that giving out guns to who ever asks isnt a winning Geopolitical strategy.

 No.1341252

If by “Maoists” you mean “psychotic anarchists attempting to overthrow a popularly elected government aligned with socialism on behalf of the CIA” then sure(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

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>>1341252
banworthy post

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>>1341252
GTFO and go back to /pol/, patriots win, “Moon of Alabama”, the “Unz Review”, RT, Sputnik, r/genzedong/, or whatever other Eurasianist/Duginist/Nazbol Fascist cesspool you came from, 🤢🤮!

>>1341255
This.

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>>1341252
>Eurasian flag
>turbo retarded take
Like clockwork.

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>>1341267
>>1341298
>>1341278
doesnt anybody feel like explaining exactly why he's wrong though? i think its unnecessary to tell someone they're retarded more than once. the NPA are obviously not anarchists, they're anti-revisionist maoists, and the government of the philippines is capitalist. it's not even friendly to china and only pretends to like china for trade deals. the NPA doesnt like china either but would probably learn to be more friendly assuming they ever gained control. or maybe they'd become like vietnam instead. but the fact remains that they're communist and the filipino government isnt.

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>>1340437
China consistenly backs reactionary regimes against maoist revolutions

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>>1340982
For what it's worth, I'm out here asking yes but what about Vietnam?

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>>1341032
somehow deflecting criticism of the PRCs existing deals with Philippines and Israel to their past dealing with Pinochet and invasion of Vietnam and acting as if those are somehow nothingburgers

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>>1341412
Kek big meme

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>>1341252
>fedjacketing
Ok, so can we finally admit that the Russians probs have feds on leftypol?

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>>1341414
Vietnam will never have any revolution they are more pro America than its own vassals. Just more proof pol pot was right

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>>1341247
>>1341153
Exactly. If china adopted the Soviet unions policy of supporting antagonistic insurgents. The USA would cream their pants and rush over to dust off their old box of red scare Cold War goodies and usher in a new imperialist age

 No.1341508

>>1341488
>>1341247
The USSR plunged half the world into communism using its foreign policy, without getting wrecked.
China and the USA are already in a cold war, China has always persued military might, just like the USSR.

Maybe if China did what the ussr did, rather supporting fascists in their battle against communists, the world wouldnt be such a fucking hotbed of the darkest reaction.

You dengists are fucking insane. The "vietnam war" led to a communist state in vietnam. MUH EBIC DENG REALPOLITIKS leads to an impoverished Phillipines run by fascist goons who enslave the people while selling children to western pedophiles.

The USSR helped end Apartheid. It helped end colonialism. It helped the left and workers rise to heights of power previously unseen in history, all by "giving out guns to whoever asks". Remind yourself that the entire reason China is free is because of the USSR supporting them militarily and materially in their fight against the European imperialists.

To deny this makes you an anti communist liar who ought to be violently removed from anything even having any red paint on it. You spit in the face of our forefathers and comrades who led humanity to the brink of freedom, and sit in your own shit, smug in the same self satisfaction that social democrats have that "my tactics that dont achieve shit on even a scale remotely comparatively to the ussr are better because I dont get attacked by the bourgoiesie (as much)"

 No.1341520

>>1340545
China's greatest flaw is also their greatest strength. They don't discriminate on the basis of ideology when it comes to establishing diplomatic relations and trade/investment. That means that they will do business with socialist countries that are being crushed by sanctions like the DPRK and Cuba, but won't do shit to help ongoing communist/national liberation struggles that have yet to take power, like in Yemen and the Phillipines. So the CPP shouldn't expect China to help them, or even to cut ties with the ruling Phillipino government. However if they do take power, they can also probably expect China to be relatively friendly towards them.

 No.1341522

>>1341302
The whole point is to not take the bait by replying to it seriously. And multiple people calling it stupid is necessary. If somebody just disagrees on an imageboard they are likely to get dismissive and insulting posts. Several people doing it signals that it's stupid and not worth seriously engaging with. This is better than seriously replying because that makes it seem like the idea might merit serious consideration, where it might (as with this one) be completely absurd and backwards. The point of the exercise is to avoid a potential consensus crack by allowing people to post bad takes without being contested, which to an unaware onlooker has the appearance that nobody disagrees.

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>>1341522
hm… does mao agree with refusing to elaborate on why people are wrong, even after already shitting them on to an unhealthy degree?

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>>1341527
Mao didn't anticipate the capacity for online discussion and rhetoric.

 No.1341563

>>1341508
Seethe

 No.1341567

Last I heard the NPA was being cleaned up by Duterte and retreating deeper into strategic defensive

 No.1341591

>>1341488
because china would then become an actual threat to global capitalism

 No.1341623

>>1341591
It already is

 No.1341627

>>1341591
i mean in a way it is regardless of whatever standard you use for it.
White people aren't the sole arbiter of dialectics.

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 No.1341780

>>1340615
>cruel foreign politics since the Sino-Soviet split all based around it campist, anti-Soviet political lines that ended up betraying fellow communists around the globe.
If you read CIA papers, you’re probably going to find something funny.
If China was supposedly allied with the U.S. against the Soviet Union and its allies, why would there be so many agents at Tiananmen in 1989?
(Operation Yellowbird)
https://www.newsweek.com/still-wing-175592
If China was allied with the US against the Soviet Union and its allies, why would the PRC try to finalize a border agreement in the late 1980s?
https://web.archive.org/web/20070311201905/http://cio.ceu.hu/courses/CIO/modules/Module06Lomanov/Lomanov_06.html
If China was allied with the US against the Soviet Union and its allies, why would the PRC offer to support the DDR to prevent its collapse?
https://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/03/world/east-germany-steps-up-contacts-with-china.html

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>>1341780
Regarding what happened in 1989, the CIA and the US government knew relationships were improving:
“Document 1: U.S. Embassy Beijing Cable, The President's Visit to China: Suggestions Regarding What We and the Chinese Hope to Accomplish, February 6, 1989, SECRET, 15 pp.”
“Shortly after his inauguration, the death of Japanese Emperor Hirohito provided President Bush with an opportunity to visit China. Bush's trip took on added symbolic importance against the backdrop of improving Sino-Soviet relations and the upcoming visit of Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev to Beijing in May. While this cable covers a wide array issues and goals for the talks, it is clear that Ambassador Winston Lord and other Bush administration officials are concerned that stronger Sino-Soviet ties might compromise Sino-U.S. relations and the carefully crafted strategic partnership vis-à-vis the Soviet Union that began under President Nixon. According to the message, a chief objective of the meetings should be to "obtain Chinese assurances . . . that the emerging Sino-Soviet dialogue will not undercut U.S. interests." The ambassador also suggests that the president "deepen personal relations with older and younger generation of China's leaders during political succession phase in China." Conflict within the Chinese leadership over political succession and the pace of political and economic liberalization programs would ultimately lead to the violent crackdown of June 3-4.”
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB47/doc1.pdf

 No.1341790

>>1341786 (me)
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB47/
^The documents related to the CIA and the US government knowing about the improved relationship between the USSR and China along with the thought that US relations with China would be undercut.

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>>1341478
Are you alright? Do you have brain damage?
If there is russian glowies on here it's not going to look like that faggot. In the same way FBI and other western alphabet soup is not gonna be generic maotist spam.

 No.1342012

>>1341488
>The USA would cream their pants and rush over to dust off their old box of red scare Cold War goodies and usher in a new imperialist age
"China can't support revolutionary struggles abroad because this would antagonize the US" is the lamest excuse for their opportunism I've ever heard. You think that after the disasters of Gorbachev's foreign policy so-called communists would know better by now. An irreconcilable antagonism between China and the US is now a reality. This will happen regardless of whether or not China espouses communism or does anything to support progressive struggles, because the American Empire simply cannot tolerate peer competitors or even fair competition. It is impossible to appease them or coexist peacefully with them. Saying that China is right to shy away from taking sides in these conflicts is like saying that it was right for Gorbachev to withdraw from Eastern Europe, both statements rest on the assumption that the US will not use this passivity to go for the jugular.

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>>1342012
Like people saying "Venezuela can't do socialism. They would get invaded by the US". Sister in Allah, they already tried to remove Chavez and Maduro multiple times.

 No.1342079

>>1340777
>>1340779
>>1340796
>>1341141
>>1341142
Let's break this down in very simple terms: there are some Trotskyists who take take opposing imperialism seriously (while ofc others are "Neither Washington nor Moscow/Beijing" effective pro-imperialists), and therefore anti-imperialist MLs will most likely agree with this specie of Trots when analysing particular cases of US imperialist machinations.

The problem with Trots is that they are dogmatists, not that their aims are the opposite of Marxist-Leninist/""Stalinist"" aims. Real MLism is based on supporting the living practice of world socialism, the main representations of which are the USSR and the PRC, which still leaves room for the critique of the currently existing orthodoxy since the communist project is a still unfolding practice, granted that the critique leads to an improvement of practice. Instead Trots give support to a political figure who was at war with the Soviet state for much of his life, making him a reactionary in practice. Communist ideology is preserved in Trotskyism, but it is heavily distorded by dogmatism and book-worship. And just like with religion, you can use the Sacred Text create justifications for some ideas and their very opposite if your biggest concern is staying true to the canonical texts instead of finding the truth contained within the text, especially if the text contains a great number of contradictory statements and ideas.

It's funny how you come up with this pitiful cope when confronted with the fact that Filipino Maoists are opportunistically pivoting to the USA the same way the late Mao and Deng did.

>>1342012
This is not about selfishness or cowardice, it's about recongnizing the extent of your power. China might have a large economy and a strong army, but they don't have sovereignty over other countries. Chinese power comes from expanding investment towards countries where Western countries aren't willing to, most crucially those who were excluded from most of the global flow of wealth and a strong insistence towards multilateralism.

As you have just said capitalists don't care about ideology, they just want to get rich. It's important to make the distinction between American imperialists and the capitalists of colonial countries, whether patriotic or compradorist. Even us communists can have good relations with them if we promise them to leave them alone and provide them benefits. If China doesn't support revolution in the Philippenes, then there doesn't have to be any antagonism between the two countries. The US can and will try everything to retard overall development, preserve compradorist tendencies within the ruling class and keep countries easily exploitable, but if they can't give them a good enough deal because rejecting Chinese investment and trade would cause too much economic damage and social instability compared to the bribes they will receive, then they will keep playing both sides and the US won't be able to do anything short of an invasion or sanctions which the US can only scarcely use and will leave to the biggest threats to its power.

I get your frustration, but this is something we have to live with. Communists have a great weakness that they can't use scorched earth tactics the way imperialists can. Socialism can only develop on the basis of industrialization, while imperialism is built on keeping countries poor so that they will provide them with cheap resources. This relates to financing armed movements. For communists, the only movements worth supporting are those that are able to mobilize people becuase that is the only way revolution is made, while for imperialists it's enough to have a small number of fanatics who can cause chaos and destruction to hurt or take down the adversaries of the US. I'm skeptical as of why should China support the CPP not just because of the limitations of the former's foreign policy, but also because the latter's insurgency has been at a standstill for many years. It's questionable if free weapon shipments would be enough to turn the situation around, and by that I mostly mean expanding their base of support.

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>>1341527
Mao was talking about how to combat liberalism within your revolutionary organization not how to respond to trolls on the internet.

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>>1340379
Lmao I swear there is an article like this every 3 months. Your gay ass campers are never going to win, get over it. I don't care if they killed one more fisherman and two postmen, it doesn't matter.
>"The Philippines have apparently advanced beyond strategic equilibrium and the armistice has been called off. Usually there are consistent ceasefires, now that Sison is dead it may seem that the Party has switched gears, and the pattern of ceasefires are not being followed. from what I know the CPP declared that they were in a state of Strategic Equilibrium a very long time ago. This was where Sison's entire policy of "accumulating forces" came from, and also why the Strategic Equilibrium didn't transform into a Strategic Offensive. This is why I see the ending of the ceasefires as their transition to a Strategic Offensive, because the ceasefires came as a result of the Party's belief that they had reached Equilibrium, and now those ceasefires are not being renewed, says to me that they are moving beyond Strategic Equilibrium."
Cultist nonsense

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>>1342012
Motherfuckers be like, “socialism in one country helped a shitload of revolutions but also single handedly wiped out those countries when the ussr fell, let’s do it again!” China obviously understands the pitfalls of SIOC and has to draw up alternative strategies. This anon >>1342079 is correct that there is merit in developing countries with no strings attached so that all countries can develop properly. It’s a sort of return to the original perception of capitalism where all countries would become capitalist and develop eventually.

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>>1342129
Yeah I can't wait for the whole of Earth to have access to Funko Pops, smartphones that last 2 years and individual and inneficient means of transport. Less go "develop" the whole planet!

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>>1342169
Economically illiterate “Marxist” who doesn’t understand how integral industrialization and development is so their whole strategy is giving guns to larpers innawoods

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>>1342171
ill see you in the climate refugee camps, comrade

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>>1341780
Because it was a marriage of convenience, not fundamental agreements on civilization

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>>1342129
The collapse of your state can't be a setback for revolutionary forces if you never helped those forces in the first place.

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>>1342430
What forces lmfao? Larping Maoists innawoods? Maybe these “real MLS” should stop playing airsoft in buttfuck nowhere and try to develop dual powers if they hate USA and china so much

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>>1342436
>What forces lmfao?
Active communist and national liberation insurgencies in the Phillipines, India, Myanmar, Palestine, Yemen, Colombia, etc etc. Pretty ridiculous that smug westoid Dengists think that they get to be the arbiters about who counts as a "real" revolutionary when they have no understanding of the conditions in these countries. At the very least China could be leveraging their soft power with the governments of these countries to achieve more favourable conditions for these movements instead of helping suppress them.

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>>1342439
>more favorable conditions
>the us is literally seething because phillipines is turning away their economic interests away from them, thus ending their soft colonialism
Gee anon I sure wish that also

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>>1342440
Yeah Anon I'm sure the son of a CIA backed dictator is totally going to not be a comprador.

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>>1342079
It's good to hear that there are people on leftypol who don't support dogmatism, and will support whatever brings the working class power. However please let me nitpick some omissions or misunderstandings in your post.

>The US can and will try everything to retard overall development, preserve compradorist tendencies within the ruling class and keep countries easily exploitable, but if they can't give them a good enough deal because rejecting Chinese investment and trade would cause too much economic damage and social instability compared to the bribes they will receive

Capitalists care about preserving and growing their own capital, at the expense of others. Allowing foreign capitalists to invest doesn't help them. The US gives a very compelling deal to the ruling class in the Philippines - "We help you keep monopoly conditions, corruption, and give you training and arms to put down the workers movement in your country, and in exchange we get to put tons of bases right next to our enemy China, as well as set up anti-air installations within your own bases, guarded by your loyal stooges". Chinese investment means capital flowing back to China.

>then they will keep playing both sides and the US won't be able to do anything short of an invasion

The US already occupies the Philippines (I've tried to make this clear many times in this thread, I don't understand why it's just ignored). They've been fighting against "insurgencies" for the past 125 years, literally since the US fought the Spanish out of the Philippines. Then for a time the Philippines was a literal colony of the US. Now it's a puppet state/comprador regime. At no point has the US ever stopped its occupation. They don't need to invade, they already have troops stationed there.

>while imperialism is built on keeping countries poor so that they will provide them with cheap resources

This is true insofar as geopolitics and military might holds sway (in that sense, countries want to secure production, and cheap foreign production is the best of all possibilities, short term), but that isnt the only factor in imperialism, and hasn't been the main motive for a while. At the same time there's a counter-tendency when it comes to competition. E.g. Britain kept India underdeveloped completely in many key areas like manufacturing, they didnt want India competing with British monopolies. In that sense its not about cheap products, but specifically selective access to products, and only when these don't compete with the imperialist's production. But a third tendency is also at play, and it's been operative across all times, and shows itself as unique particularly in the neoliberal era. They want cheap labor primarily, not cheap products. Outsourcing ensures cheap labor - who are the cheap products for? (and in fact the products are massively marked up and profitable, in the end its not about cheapness of goods its about how much you can profit off of them, the capitalist's cut) The workers buy the products. Capitalists couldnt care less about most of the cheap shit, at best is serves as temporary propaganda, but no one cares about $1/lb bananas when they can't pay rent. Who wins isn't the end recipient of the cheap products, its the one in the middle who actually makes the product more expensive than it has any need to be, given the input costs. Cheap labor is the key.

Why this is important is because the idea that capitalists care about production at all comes up more than once in your analysis. They only care about how well their capital is producing/growing. They want cheap labor. The product is excrement as far as they care, so long as someone buys it. In fact right now a very retarded 3 things are happening in the Philippines: 1. onion sellers are buying in onions from outside of the country 2. domestic onion farmers are getting fucked over, they can't bring their onions to market and theyre rotting in storage 3. onions are priced out of the reach of most consumers, as a temporary luxury commodity.

What happens here, surely if someone cared about cheap production, the people would have onions. Where are the rational Chinese capitalists? Surely the Filipino people should be agitating to get more competition in! What's happening is red tagging, farmers getting tricked into signing papers confessing to be NPA thinking they're filling out paperwork to get government assistance, and they're whisked away. This is for the crime of complaining about the capitalists profiting off this onion crisis.

The lesson here is that the bourgeoisie, and the state, is perfectly happy so long as they're on the side making money. The farmers, as long as they complain theyre communists. The patriotic capitalists who racketeer are above any disdain. Products are expensive, producers suffer, yet the government is breezy - theyre getting the kickbacks by siding with the totally useless parasites who are flushed with cash right now.

The Philippines is providing not only providing cheap resources, it's mainly providing cheap labor and captive consumers (for foreign onions!).

>This relates to financing armed movements. For communists, the only movements worth supporting are those that are able to mobilize people becuase that is the only way revolution is made, while for imperialists it's enough to have a small number of fanatics who can cause chaos and destruction to hurt or take down the adversaries of the US. I'm skeptical as of why should China support the CPP not just because of the limitations of the former's foreign policy, but also because the latter's insurgency has been at a standstill for many years. It's questionable if free weapon shipments would be enough to turn the situation around, and by that I mostly mean expanding their base of support.

Comrade… surely you think the proletariat should have solidarity, and give material aid to each other's struggles? Surely. Part of their standstill is that they are an island nation, occupied and drone striked by the largest military power in the world. What's right in this case is supporting the workers power. If you look at the CPP analysis, its really sane and not just gung-ho about guerrilla war. They critique guerrillaism even. They also work with unions, and stand with the oppressed Islamic nation's struggle in the south, etc. They are highly anti-sectarian.

They ran for office when it was possible (they lost and the candidates were killed), they called off urban guerrilla warfare… they seem to have a good reccord for making the sane call, over adventurism and terrorism. They're definitely a part of the people's struggle - for decades labor leaders have been being assassinated. What are you supposed to do when the government just shoots at you? And with peasants, what is their need? They need land reform, which is only achievable by force, there are no half measures there, only the ability to enforce (or overthrow) property rights. Absolutely picking up the gun is a fine choice in this circumstance. The bourgeoisie has solidarity in oppressing us - why should we nitpick the virtues of the people fighting back? but of course, all of it is really just a cope to explain why your daddy figure hasnt betrayed you, and is morally good. The Chinese government is not engaged in worker's struggle. The worker's movement is international. What they've achieved can be completely attributed to national sovereignty aspirations, and the required actions that come from that (competing with other capitalist states). Support the workers please

>It's funny how you come up with this pitiful cope when confronted with the fact that Filipino Maoists are opportunistically pivoting to the USA the same way the late Mao and Deng did.

Oh i forgot it was you who made this comment…. lmao what a clown, the Philippines gov is subservient to the USA, the guerrillas are fighting the USA by proxy (literally US troops train PH troops, literally the US aided the Philippines gov in a drone strike on an NPA encampment… as long as they are shooting, they are at war with the USA lmao)

>>1342440
show proof lmao

 No.1342450

Nothingburger!

 No.1342458

>>1342449
>At no point has the US ever stopped its occupation. They don't need to invade, they already have troops stationed there.
People need to understand that eventually China's soft power endeavours will run up against America's established infrastructure of hard power in these countries. If if you can get the local bourgeoisie into the Chinese camp geopolitically (something that can only be done by being an even greater benefactor of their interests than the US already is), even if they can be kept there reliably, you still have to deal with America's regime change machine at best, and the presence of actual US troops at worst. Even if these instruments of US hard power didn't exist, what then? Is China just supposed to be the foreign benefactor of the local bourgeoisie of these countries until the West spontaneously collapses?

 No.1342480

>>1342444
Don’t worry man we’ll get enough villages in buttfuck nowhere to join our side and overthrow that fascist pig one day

 No.1342500

omfg why do you need paragraphs on paragraphs explaining how actual communists fighting a capitalist comprador state are mistaken and they should follow my hyperspecific take on marxism leninism and also china supporting pinochet is good actually

this thread a good potential too

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>>1342500
why the fuck do you think?
why the fuck do you think this happens every time there is some kind of happening, ESPECIALLY positive news?

 No.1342661

>>1342458
i feel like one other thing that the dengist anon needs to explain is how does China benefit the bourgeoisie in developing countries? They do give loans, but for a state being held underdeveloped by comrpadors will loans be put to any use other than drugs and assassinations or buying out your rival? Thats about it as far as I can tell. The US at least provides protection, for a price (the soul of your nation).

The dengist argument works a lot better when you can talk about the working class power that's being built up to by bringing more production to areas with underemployment and semi-feudal conditions, or how it's building towards absolute global overproduction that will necessitate obvious retardshit (destruction) or nationalization, or revolution, to overcome. There's not really any argument that foreign capitalists helps national capitalists… even if they're le nice communist capitalists. Like everyone should know about competition between businesses, how capital is extractive, and why imperialist countries try to hard to open countries up to their capital (and their military might on loan to discipline labor).

 No.1342681

>>1342480
this is literally the only joke glowies have to make fun of the NPA
I wish jannies wouldnt delete the retard anti-communists, it'd make for better mocking if i could post-quote the like 6 people who came here just to post that

 No.1343222

>>1342079
>absolute cope when Filipino Maoists are opportunistically pivoting to the USA the same way the late Mao and Deng did
The sheer hypocrisy of it all
Where's your purity, you pure liberal babies?

 No.1343543

>>1340437
Bo Xilai used to be the strongest name in Chinese politics to show somewhat (indirect through m.wyzxwk.com journal) support to the Filipino revolution, but he's been in prison since 2012 and probably won't be released

 No.1343559

>>1340437
the US will 100% intervene, either by way of CIA or outright invasion. They did it in the early 1900s when the Phillipines won its independence from spain, they did it to the Huks in the 40s/50s, and they will 100% do it again to prevent the spread of communism in southeast asia.

 No.1343560

>>1340748
>It called for the targeting of Chinese firms by the armed movement.
based, kill all dengist traitors

 No.1343565

>>1342129
You're doing permanent revolution and you don't even know it

 No.1343597

>>1342681
The same people who are so chauvinistic and dismissive regarding these armed struggles will lose their shit if you question the authenticity of Chinese socialism and post about how 90 million CPC members know better than baizuo Westoids. Apparently they fail to apply the same principles when it comes to the NPA, Naxals, etc., and are convinced that they understand the conditions of these countries better than the people waging struggles there.

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 No.1343653

>>1343652
Ah sorry this is it, lmao. It's on the same date, I didn't read the article very well. Sorry, I am le tired

 No.1343698

>>1340790
>Not just any Interview but an interview with a literal state backed anti communist media source.
Vidrel is a PFLP leader doing an interview with Australia's state broadcaster. PFLP confirmed as supporters of imperialism.

 No.1343741

>>1340583
>Isn’t prishay literally supportive of the CPC and considers it AES?
Vijay Prashad does support CPC and consider it AES, yes. But he's also honest about the reactionary foreign policy decisions made in the 60s and 70s. He goes into excruciating detail in Dark Nations, which is a great read.

 No.1343765

As someone who’s been watching the NPA and the Philippine PPW for nearly 2 years now I wanted to bump into this thread and say some words and clear the air a bit.

To say that the NPA is in the stage of the strategic stalemate is to put it simply: wrong. But that isn't to say that the CPP-NPA hasn't made huge strides. In fact quite the contrary. The Communist party of the Philippines has more than doubled it’s membership from 2016-2021, with it increasing from 60k members in 2016 to >150k in 2021 (an increase of 2.5x) and is probably pretty firmly in the 200k range as of 2023. The NPA has advanced to a new stage in accordance with their recently passed 5 year plan; they have effectively moved from the middle to the advanced stage of the strategic defensive. While yes, this does fall into the great maoist meme of the dreaded “eternal strategic defensive”, This is actually a pretty big development. The NPA marks the advanced stage of the strategic defensive as being marked with the company becoming the primary unit, a greater emphasis on the plains movement with greater amounts of battles being fought in the densely populated plains instead of the sparsely populated but easily defendable mountains and jungles and moderately populated lowlands, and NPA units annihilative capacity being raised from destroying enemy platoons to enemy companies. While the NPA themselves have not “officially” announced the move middle to advanced their most recent party anniversary basically unofficially announced it with demands for units to move further into the plains and congratulating the mass formation of NPA companies and effective liberated zones being established in some areas.

Needless to say shit is heating up in the Philippines, this has also correlated with some interesting developments on the psywar, political, and strategic theaters of the conflict. The GRP(Government of the Republic of the Philippines) is becoming increasingly desperate to meme victories against the NPA as they get their ass beat like a cherokee drum on the front. This ranges and is not limited to: harassment of civilians, open killing and execution of peasants for them to be paraded around as “neutralized terrorists”, forced evacuations of dozens of thousands of people so that they can shell and spray whole areas to shit, killing of legal non NPA aligned national democratic organizations, and most infamously forced surrenders in which random peasants are forced at gunpoint to “surrender” to the government in which they will be used in photo ops to show how the “NPA is collapsing guys! Trust me!”. These developments are also joined with a comically massive escalation of the military scene with AFP deployed battalions against the npa going from several dozen to Over 160 battalions, and in some regions including police and CAFGUs (secondary supporting irregular infantry with dogshit morale, usually sourced from local populations pressed and forced into service by AFP servicemen) troop concentrations can go into the 10s of thousands. The government is desperate to keep the lid on the exploding bottle that is the NPA, to such a degree that the Philippines physically doesn't have the manpower to press territorial claims in the south china sea and keep the NPA at bay at the same time. Another development that is almost certain to do nothing but chuck nitroglycerin infused gasoline into the fire is the election of marcoses (the late former dictator of the philippines) son BongBong (I am not shitting you that is his actual name) Marcos as president of the philippines. To say that this man puts a bad taste in the mouth of the filipino people would be an understatement, on the day of his election the NPA was literally spammed with requests from pissed off and terrified youth on how they can join up and fight to oust him. People are seeing his presidency as a possible return to the Marcos era with all of its open corruption and rampant poverty, and from what I’ve seen it most likely will be. BBM is an incompetent failson with no real political finesse or basic competency. With him being more concerned with running exorbitant parties with high ranking political officials and continually going on trips to other nations (even when the nation is in a state of effective crisis). It is pretty much a given that conditions will do nothing but violently worsen under him as they have been in the philippines since the start of the COVID epidemic.

TLDR: While the situation of the NPA isn't as hugely great as being in the strategic stalemate it is very much rapid advancing and the situation is gonna become an absolutely comically massive shitfest in due time and truly big things are on the horizon including and not limited to advancing to the strategic stalemate.

Also if you wish to follow along with these developments id highly suggest you go and take a visit to the CPPs main site at: https://philippinerevolution.nu/
And their twitter account with the @ of @prwc_info3 (be advised they tend to get banned once in a while because twitter sucks donkey dick)

 No.1343830

>>1343765
what civilian infrastructure projects by chinese companies have been targeted by your group and why is this a priority while your country is under occupation by the united stares?

 No.1343831

>>1343698
little bit different from radio free asia, but nice try to backdoor your way into the avg western leftist mind with "muh palestine"

 No.1343836

and comparing the struggle for palestinian liberation to attacking civilian infrastructure projects made by a country that is not occupying you! how about you eat shit? and die? sound good?

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>>1343831
>"muh palestine"
what did he mean by this

 No.1344113

>>1343831
>little bit different from radio free asia
How? Australia is part of the imperialist bloc. ABC is its state broadcaster. It verbatim fits the description of a "iteral state backed anti communist media source".
>>1343836
Are you misunderstanding on purpose? If the PFLP giving an interview to a Western imperialist media source is acceptable, then why can't the CPP do the same thing? Have you considered that Phillipino communists have a better understanding of the impact of China's involvement in their country than you do?

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>>1344022
>what did he mean by this
He meant that China doesn't give a shit about the Palestinians and so we shouldn't either.

 No.1344127

>>1344113
Anyone claiming to have a good understanding of China is wrong because Hong Kong is literally right next door and lives in an alternate reality fueled by Western psyops and propaganda. To claim that these people know better simply because they're taking up arms against their government is a fallacy. Likewise given the increased and admitted to spending America is throwing around on anti-China media initiatives it is highly suspect when westoids criticize china given that their entire information environment is generated by …western media.

 No.1344132

>>1344127
>Anyone claiming to have a good understanding of China is wrong
I'm talking about having a good understanding of the Phillipines. Who do you think has a better understanding of the conditions in that country and the tasks of the communist movement? Random Westoid Dengists or actual Filipino revolutionaries?
>To claim that these people know better simply because they're taking up arms against their government is a fallacy.
It's not a fallacy to claim that people living and fighting for socialism in a country have a better understanding of their country than arrogant foreigners.
>it is highly suspect when westoids criticize china given that their entire information environment is generated by …western media.
Good thing the NPA aren't Westoids and aren't getting their information on China's impact in the Phillipines from Western media.

 No.1344152

>>1344148
Way to out your complete ignorance on the Philippine conflict. You can log off now.

 No.1344185

>>1344159
I know, and I'm asking why the CPP giving an interview to RFA is worse than the PFLP giving one to the ABC.

 No.1344193

>ignorant westoids shouldn't tell chinese communists what to do
<ignorant westoids should tell filipino communists what to do
Can we pick one? Can westoids have opinions on Asian communist movements or not?

 No.1344194

>>1344193
You shouldn't

 No.1344202

>>1344200
>>1344201
I am sitting my white ass down at Davos 2023 and LISTENING

 No.1344206

>>1344202
This doesn't make you sound like any less of a retard

 No.1344211

>>1344201
But seriously, we need to have some consistency. Either westerners can express their opinions on foreign communist parties/governments or they can't. You can't appeal to muh lived experience and be a monday morning quarterback at the same time.

 No.1344222

>>1344216
great way to shut down discussion and avoid having to justify your double standard

 No.1344232

>>1344225
There's no comparisons between the CPP and the Islamist throat slitters in Syria, the CPP have been in continuous insurgent operation since 1967

 No.1344239

>>1344226
I'm not even talking about that. The argument that "communists in [country] know the conditions in [country] better than westoids so don't criticize their decisions" can be applied to any situation. If no one outside of whichever country is allowed to have an opinion about what communists there are doing, we might as well shut down this entire board.

>You think moderate rebels are gonna work again this time

I never supported the Syrian proxy war and was regularly called an Assadist here for not being sufficiently enthusiastic about Rojava. But great move once again, deflecting by bringing up something irrelevant. You're really good at this!

 No.1344245

>>1344239
>If no one outside of whichever country is allowed to have an opinion about what communists there are doing, we might as well shut down this entire board.
It should, all our lives and political discussion would be better off for it, maybe keep /edu/ and the reading group but the rest of it could get nuked and nothing valuable would be lost

 No.1344252

>>1344247
you post the way I did on /v/ when I was 14

 No.1344298

>>1343830
Primarily mining companies and those who through their projects fuck over the Filipino landscape and forceful displacing peasants for extraction of super-profits.
Also the NPA has a pretty damn rich history of fucking over American imperialism. in 1989 an American Colonel by the name of James N. Rowe was shot to shit by NPA urban agents. I forget when this happened but America tried to set up a military base nearby an NPA area and the US Gi's building the base got sniped and harassed so many times that they basically gave up and abandoned the base.

 No.1344300

>>1344298
*and help contribute to forcefully displacing peasants for extraction of super-profits
grammar moment

 No.1344443

>>1344393
Do You actually have anything interesting to add onto this thread? or are you just gonna bitch and whine about bullshit and the NPA being connected to the NED because you were told by some retard on twitter that some random non NDFP aligned natdem party *may* have received a couple bucks from them.

 No.1344450

Imagine defending the literal Marcos regime

 No.1344502

>>1340667
Vietnam never had a record of reactionary and opportunistic foreign policy.

 No.1344505

>>1344502
How do you explain their swallowing up of Democratic Kampuchea on the behest of the social fascist USSR?

 No.1344510

>>1344505
iirc Pol Pot supported FULRO who were racist anti-Vietnamese militias in Vietnam's interior in addition to the persecution of ethnic Vietnamese within Kampuchea

 No.1344550

>>1344502
Revisionism ≠ reactionary and opportunistic foreign policy
besides the times they suck up to capitalist nations

 No.1344584

>>1344550
Not Vietnam's fault that the USSR collapsed and the PRC was actively hostile to them instead of actually cooperating together. Vietnam had to take IMF loans to un-fuck the damage the West did to them with no Soviet or Chinese aid. Next you're going to say North Korea is "revisionist" for doing what they have to do to survive in the global capitalist system. Vietnam still has soviet educated cadre running the show and a tight leash on their national bourgeoisie. Similar to China really, but on top of this they never failed the internationalist cause like the PRC has and have stayed humble and diplomatic when dealing with global affairs. To me and to others, this is a much better sign of the perspectives guiding Vietnam's policy and engagement with state capitalism than the PRC under Dengism.

>>1344505
Pol Pot was both a CIA and Deng op funded to fight and destabilize Vietnam. Also calling the USSR social fascist is retarded.

 No.1344586

>>1344585
I'm not a maoist, just saying you're throwing stones in a glass house

 No.1344589

>>1344584
How is this internationalist cause put into practice

 No.1344636

>>1344595
TPLF we're always hoxhaists though

 No.1344661

>>1343765
based poster, actually on topic and not the same retarded china arguement that has been done 8 million times already

 No.1344668

>>1344644
I just don't get why one RFA interview outweighs the decades of Marcos family crimes, those people were US aligned compressors from day one and the CPP has always been its biggest and most effective opposition, partially because it's the only actual political party in the country, all the others are just vehicles for the ambitions of various compradors.

 No.1344694

>>1344673
>like okay just keep that sovereignty on ice in their hands until the PPW succeeds
If they're seen as unserious or compromising on issues of Filipino sovereignty they can't win the war fam, they aren't little pawns in your Hearts of Iron game

 No.1344696

>>1344673
Even if those belt and road projects come at the cost of Filipino workers and peasants? Ridiculous

 No.1344702

>>1344673
lear is that you

 No.1344708

>>1344704
I'm more inclined to believe the NDFP, who at least live in the Philippines and see the results of the BRI projects than you

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>>1344673

 No.1344717

>>1344716
Sison had retired from NPA command to live in the Netherlands for like two decades, I know you think that China and thus BRI is capable of no wrongdoing unfortunately politics is slightly more complicated than that

 No.1344735

Reminder if you are a small country any aspirations to independence are null and naive, you can only hope for a benevolent superpower to act on your behalf

 No.1344752

>>1344747
It's impossible to ever walk and chew gum at the same time

 No.1344759

>>1343765
Based Analysis Conrade New Afrikan Anon, ✊😜! The Revisionist/Tankie/Dengist Marcyite Campist posts in this thread that insult the CPP-NPA-NDF in their glorious Protracted People’s War to liberate their nation from both U$ and Chinese Imperialism, openly support the Marcos government, and portray the Capitalist, Imperialist, and Fascist State of Dengist China as “Socialist”, “Anti-Imperialist”, and “Marxist-Leninist”, further prove that Revisionism will be left in the dustpan of history while Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is the highest stage of Marxism that will wage the World Protracted People’s War that will inevitably lead the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜!

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>>1342449
>The US already occupies the Philippines (I've tried to make this clear many times in this thread, I don't understand why it's just ignored). They've been fighting against "insurgencies" for the past 125 years, literally since the US fought the Spanish out of the Philippines. Then for a time the Philippines was a literal colony of the US. Now it's a puppet state/comprador regime. At no point has the US ever stopped its occupation. They don't need to invade, they already have troops stationed there.
You're being undialectical. Yes, the Philippines has a long history of military rule and the brutal suppression of socialist forces under the guidance of and the behest of the US. And still why do you think that this same ruling class won't try to improve its positions against the will of the United States now that its empire is in decline? There are tons of examples for this. Turkey lacking full commitment towards the Ukrainian war effort. Saudi Arabia creating special trade deals with China that seriously undermine USian monetary hegemony. Pakistan building in strong economic relationships with China. Two of these countries have a military infrastucture heavily dependent on the US and one of them is in the same military alliance. We don't live in the age of (direct) colonialism. The imperial core can't directly control the countries they rule over. They have to develop and maintain the compradorist relationship with the peripherial ruling classes for them to do their bidding. We can talk about all the ways the US enforces its will over other countries when they step out of the line (invasions, coups, sanctions, hybrid-war, etc.) which it could hypothetically utilise, but in recent times the evidence has shown that the US can also concede defeat against many of its allies after doing a cost-benefit analysis. If the Philippines are under direct USian military rule, then why aren't US troops smashing up these infrastructure projects? Why do they have to rely on the help of communist guerillas?

>At the same time there's a counter-tendency when it comes to competition. E.g. Britain kept India underdeveloped completely in many key areas like manufacturing, they didnt want India competing with British monopolies. In that sense its not about cheap products, but specifically selective access to products, and only when these don't compete with the imperialist's production.

This is the same point I'm making about resource extraction. No matter how much industrial development occurs in the imperial core, it mustn't trickle down to the periphery. Their goal is to always keep the oppressed nations as low in the value chain as possible. This is a broad tendency. It doesn't just apply to the shift from resource extraction towards low-end manufactiring. It can also mean stopping countries from shifting from low-end to intermediate and eventually high-end manufacturing, fully seizing the supply chain. It also has paralells to decolonization when the third world shifted from blatantly exploitative colonial taxes towards seemingly quid pro quo trade deals with the imperial core.

>But a third tendency is also at play, and it's been operative across all times, and shows itself as unique particularly in the neoliberal era. They want cheap labor primarily, not cheap products. Outsourcing ensures cheap labor - who are the cheap products for? (and in fact the products are massively marked up and profitable, in the end its not about cheapness of goods its about how much you can profit off of them, the capitalist's cut) The workers buy the products. Capitalists couldnt care less about most of the cheap shit, at best is serves as temporary propaganda, but no one cares about $1/lb bananas when they can't pay rent. Who wins isn't the end recipient of the cheap products, its the one in the middle who actually makes the product more expensive than it has any need to be, given the input costs. Cheap labor is the key.

I have to disagree. The idea that seeking out and employing cheap labour is the origin of national exploitation is reminiscent of the classic Owensian mistake that exploitation occurs within the sphere of exchange and not the sphere of production. You have it backwards: the reason why countries with only low-end manufacturing or those with economies based around the extraction of non-strategic resources have low levels of income is because occupy the lowest point in the value and produce litte added value.

The super-exploitation theory leads to major mistakes: it can lead people to think that class exploitation and national exploitation are very similar or mostly overlapping phenomena and that you can just go out, overthrow the comprador ruling class and end national exploitation. Well, you can't seize the means of production when there is nothing to seize! The reason why traditionally peripherial countries end up in a disadventagous position within global trade relations is because when you have let's say a closed economy of dirt poor farmers and then you invite foreign investment, of course you are going to get bad deals! You have no leverage.

There is a very important conclusion that can be drawn from this: outsourcing is not exploitation in and of itself. Let's get back to the hypothetical economy of dirt poor farmers. The wage level they will receive in the foreign-owned factory won't stray too far away from their previous standard of living. It would be absurd to say that in the first case they are free, but in the second case they are exploited.

Outsourcing is as much a liability as a source of profit for the imperial core. While it might seem that it only makes unequal trade relations more entrenched, but actually it creates the very real danger of technology slipping out of the hands of the imperialists.

See the case of China. Remember >muh Foxconn suicide nets? There are some people who still seethe about it. Yes, Foxconn is a shitty exploitative company that only looks for cheap labour. But guess what, there is an interesting pattern where their factories first sprung in cities the closest to the sea and then starting moving more and more inland where the transportation costs are higher and labour cheaper. Foxconn has visited several major industrial centers only to arrive in Zhengzhou, the place you must have heard recently because of worker's protests there. This city is the capital of Henan province which is traditionally one of the poorest regions of China. It has no rivers connecting it to the sea, which makes transportation significantly more costly even today. Farmland is also scarce. The reason why Foxconn is there is because there is no other place to go, everyone else is too rich now! This is probably their last stop in China and next they will probably move to South-Asia or South-East-Asia. If utilized well, foreign investment can mean the difference between stagnation/poverty and all-around development.

Daily reminder that when Lenin looked at statistics of how much capital countries export and declared it the basis of imperialism, he forgot to look at which countries received it. Let me tell you: it was only the less developed European countries and white settler colonies. Do you know who didn't get capital exports? Countries with icky brown-skinned people. Makes you think.

 No.1344774

>>1344772 (me)
>owensian
I meant Owenite ofc

 No.1344779

>>1344722
Shouldn't you thank that anon for educating your dumb ass?

 No.1344782

>>1344774
Owensian sounds better on the tongue than Owenite

 No.1344789

>>1344784
Let's not forget that actual throat slitting ISIS aligned people do actually operate in Mindanao, they took urban areas iirc. If you want to look at possible CIA patsies in the region why would you pick the NPA over them?

 No.1344858

Trust me, despite my suspicions about Maoist guerilla communiques, I want to believe what Pan-African flag is saying, that the movement is picking up steam instead of falling apart. The problem is certain people harping about how pure this movement is and blaming China for things that are out of their control. I wish them the best, but they shouldn't except to be bankrolled by the PRC when even as a small guerilla movement they are making huge efforts to antagonize China. Internationalism for me but not for thee.

>>1344726

uhhh how do you think people will join their insurgency with very slight increases in the standard of living when they are already in a sad state?

>>1344782
there is no "s" at the end of his name

>>1344443
getting interviewed by the RFA about physically destroying Chinese assets is more than suspicious

>>1344789
ask the state department, not us anons
imo it's probably because THEY DO IT FOR FREE lmao

>>1344298
>Primarily mining companies and those who through their projects fuck over the Filipino landscape
What is this, XR with assault weapons? Keep in mind that there were socialist countries with fully state-owned economies that fucked over the environment. My attitude towards this question is that "you have to break some eggs to make an omelette". Many countries have to go through a phase of smashing up the environment here and there to break out of undevelopment. After they reach a point when everyone has something to eat, then they can worry about directing surplus labour and using newly acquired engineering skills to restore/preserve the environment. I probably don't have to explain how the green movement can be hugely chauvinistic. When you have had a complete industrial base for several years and have made all the possible adjustments to minimize ecological harm or when your economy is entirely based around financial parasitism and techbro wankery then it's very easy to be concerned about the environment, but in general this kind of rethoric is utilised by the richest countries to chastise the Global South for charting their own path of development.

>forceful displacing peasants

p sure that the only available farmland in the country isn't where the mining operation is supposed to take place
Obviously proper compensation is an important resposibility of the government, but it's not like it's the CPC's fault that Bongbong is an asshole. What should China do? Starve the Philippenes of foreign investment so that making the standard of living stagnate and causing suffering to ordinary people will change the mind of their ruling class? Shouldn't the Maoists be demanding compensation instead of going full luddite? Maybe they are Pol Potists.

 No.1344865

>>1344858
No shit it's not pure, but you know what they're fighting 99% of the time? The army of the fucking Marcos regime

 No.1344892

>>1344858
>but [the CPP] shouldn't except to be bankrolled by the PRC
>Internationalism for me but not for thee
black hole sun, won't you come…

 No.1344900

>>1344892
anon are you stoned be honest

 No.1344925

>>1340437
I have news for you

 No.1344942

>>1344900
No I'm just sick of booklets prancing about every thread on here nowadays
It's exhausting

 No.1344972

>>1344942
It would be completely insane and cucked for China to support them based on how they act, so I guess this 'gotcha' will always be on their side. 👍

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>>1344661
Thanks bossman, I try my best.

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>>1344858
> I wish them the best, but they shouldn't except to be bankrolled by the PRC when even as a small guerilla movement they are making huge efforts to antagonize China. Internationalism for me but not for thee.

PRC has stopped funding leftist movements a long time ago even before NPA was created. See the MCP.

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 No.1345181

So are these guys more or less retarded than Rojava.

 No.1345189

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Maoism? No thank you.

Bongbong Marcos regime? Yes please.

 No.1345190

Did someone get banned? Lots of deleted posts here.

 No.1345193

>>1345189
Is this really the best you've got lol.
Sardonic guilt tripping.

 No.1345195

>>1345193
I think it's interesting that one interview in RFA is enough to completely discredit them, while the entire history of the Marcos regime doesn't mean anything because they're friendly with China.

 No.1345197

>>1345195
Deliberately misreading what I'm saying as critical support for muh regime is not going to change my mind, comrade.
They behave objectively similarly to ISIS in the region.
Successfully booting the Chinese from the Philippines simply renders it an undeveloped US colony.
If they're not attacking military targets they're just doing terrorism & it sure as hell isn't going to get rid of the US.

 No.1345200

Anyways I'm sure now that it's late in the US our Filipino comrades will be logging on and dunking these revisionists into smithereens. 😜👊

 No.1345352

>>1340379
Calling the CPP maoists is a joke. They do not uphold the synthesis of MLM by the PCP, and use ML-MZT interchangeably with MLM. They have a butchered understanding of MLM and are condemned to FAIL if they don't destroy the rightist leading line.

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 No.1345378

>>1345352
You are a couple decades late for non-retarded maoism, no?

 No.1345475

>>1344772
>And still why do you think that this same ruling class won't try to improve its positions against the will of the United States now that its empire is in decline?
"The Filipino bourgeoisie may take a less pro-US stance if it has good relations with China so this justifies actively helping them suppress a communist insurgency" is a pretty weak argument. Tell me, when has this tactic actually worked in severing a country from the US imperialist bloc? At best it seems like it has succeeded in getting some countries to take a relatively neutral course, but how much is this really worth? Does it stop them from being sources of profit to fuel the US economy and sustain the rule of the American bourgeoisie? Does it lead to the expulsion of US troops and the dismantling of US bases? In short, is there a single example of this strategy making a country useless to US imperialism? No, there isn't. To date the biggest victory of this strategy is Saudi Arabia's acceptance of alternative currencies in exchange for oil, but this is really only relevant due to Saudi Arabia's unique position in the global oil trade. An actual communist revolution by contrast would completely neutralize the usefulness of a country to US imperialism. It would either force US troops to withdraw or force an American invasion. It would deny access to the country's resources and markets on terms which the US needs to sustain its imperialist profits (and thus its rule at home and abroad). In short, it would actually remove this country from the US empire instead of granting it more autonomy within it.

It's one thing for China to pursue these sorts of friendly relations in countries with no significant communist or anti-imperialist movements. It's one thing for them to simply engage in trade with these countries. However not only does the Philippines have an active and growing communist insurgency, but China is actually providing the Filipino government with military aid to suppress it.
http://ph.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng/sgdt/202202/t20220210_10640789.htm
This was a "military donation" earmarked for "counter-terrorism" operations (i.e. anti-communist and anti-peasant repression).

If China had any commitment to internationalism at all it could at the very least not supply the reactionaries with weapons to kill communists, and they could probably be putting diplomatic pressure on Manilla to ease the repression. But instead of helping the people who are waging an armed struggle to smash US imperialism in the Philippines, China is helping the primary agent of US imperialism in the Philippines. They do this even though the most this approach has accomplished to date is to make these countries mildly less enthusiastic in their collaboration with Washington.

 No.1345755

>>1345197
>They behave objectively similarly to ISIS in the region.
Do you have even a shred of evidence for this? lol
They help the peasants, the support the above-ground working class struggle… what has ISIS done other than kill people? Or are you just an uninformed internet armchair critic who heard one thing about the NPA and decided they're literally ISIS and terrorists (good job anti-terrorist campaign by Duterte and Marcos cleaning up this anti-democratic people-terrorizing threat! Kill some more peasants and unionists while you're at it theyre probably evil terrorist

While you say you're not giving "critical support for muh regime", there's been a recent campaign specifically by the most fascistic parts of the philippines government to tag the NPA along with the CPP and NDFP as terrorists. You're doing the fascists' jobs FOR FREE

Also lmfao imagine thinking China is the main force driving history and progress in the world. DELUSIONAL. How did China get where it is today? They supported national capital, they kicked out imperialists, and then solicited technological help from the USSR. Yet the exact same type of movement in the Philippines you condemn, because even though theyre doing it China's way, theyre not doing it for China? Pure national chauvinism. Rethink your next breath. They're actively fighting the colonial/comprador status of their country, but for this crime (terrorism!) they're supposedly betraying their country's goals and helping the US boot? I'll say it again, 100% baseless DELUSION.

>And still why do you think that this same ruling class won't try to improve its positions against the will of the United States now that its empire is in decline?

So what, am I support to condemn communist fighters for acting, on the logic that the national bourgeoisie may decide to stop being compradors (theyve given no indication they will, and the Philippines is one of the US's most impotant military positions, aka well guarded assets, given its number of military bases)? How about this: the working class will struggle for its betterment. The bourgeoisie may do what they will. These two things need not concern each other. The only time they intersect is if the working class can use the nationalist sentiments of their bourgeoisie to the people's advantage, by kicking out imperialists. What conditions allow this to happen? Only when the working class is strong. If the working class is kept weak, what pressure is there on the bourgeoisie to change course? They're fat and happy. Especially the corrupt fascist presidents, they steal billions from the country. For them everything is working out fine.

>If the Philippines are under direct USian military rule, then why aren't US troops smashing up these infrastructure projects? Why do they have to rely on the help of communist guerillas?

fam… "comrade"…
1. its rare for a country to simply attack other country's investments, so yes if it happens its done highly covertly or through proxies
2. where is the evidence that the NPA are being directed to US ends? Is their command compromised? Are they drinking up US propaganda? Or could it be that there are specific situations that cause the NPA to react against (the sacred!) Chinese capital? Capital is capital after all, and in class war there's no distinction of the nationality of the capitalist, its irrelevant.

I will agree on one aspect - that the maoist tendency towards luddism may not be the correct course of action. On the other hand, the NPA draws its support (and itself, its people) from the peasants. If something is hurting the peasants, then why should they attempt to take some nonviolent universal view and sacrifice themselves and their base's interests? I mean really. You can look as an armchair and say "well, this is progress, hundreds might lose their livelihoods and many will die but that is soon to be history" - but that cold way of relating to progress is only possible from the analytic perspective. In our personal lives, in our actions, we fight for ourselves. So I can't condemn the NPA for fighting for their interests.

But on this subject, of mines and progress, think of it like this: At every step they support their base. They aren't betraying them in favor of some wider dream (e.g. future proletarian instead of peasant revolution, industrial progress). Is this or is it not the correct course of actions? If they are obedient to their base, are they more or less likely to win? If they win, then they can allow safe exploitation of the natural resources, by providing the necessary aid to displaced peasants. Who would it benefit the world working class struggle more to have these resources - a communist philippines, or a fascist philippines?

>the rest

Im not trying to be rude but honestly you fail to read my post carefully I think. You seem to skim over "insofars" which are so crucial, and in your last section you basically start out disagreeing and then end by agreeing, all the while trying to argue. I think it's you who's not being dialectical, because the core of dialectics is knowing in what conditions a thing is how it is, and when latent contradictions manifest. E.g. the liability of outsourcing, or the attempts of the imperial core to prevent trickle down. This contradiction manifests as both sides existing, each side pushed to manifest by its own unique causes.

Also you seem to be confused on what capitalist exploitation is, and how it occurs. Outsourcing necessitates exploitation, it means literally hiring people in another country to do work. That means exploitation, because they are hired. Why they choose to hire people in foreign countries is because of cheap labor.

Also literally how can i be saying that exploitation exists in the sphere of exchange (mind you, you mention unequal exchange yourself in your post! it feels like im replying to an AI) when literally I said its about labor? When cheap labor is exploited, the profits flow to the (foreign) capitalist, this has nothing to do with the market! You're highly confused. I mean no disrespect but just… wtf. ARE you a person? If ur an elaborate bait op u gotta tell me

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 No.1346074

https://philippinerevolution.nu/statements/oppose-us-plan-to-use-philippines-in-war-strategy-against-china/
um… deng bros and mao bros? whats going on? arent they anti china?

Oppose US plan to use Philippines in war strategy against China
>The Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) condemns the imperialist US for war-mongering and heightening war-preparations against China and for using the Philippines and other countries as launching pad for its planned military attacks against its rival imperialist power.

>In an interview by the Financial Times a few days ago (“US military deepens ties with Japan and Philippines to prepare for China threat”), the imperialist hooligan Lt. Gen. James Bierman, who is the commanding general of the US armed forces’ Third Marine Expeditionary Force (III MEF) and Marine Forces Japan, revealed explicitly how the US has long been planning to set the stage for war against China, comparing it to the many years of preparations they made in Ukraine:


>"Why have we achieved the level of success we’ve achieved in Ukraine? A big part of that has been because after Russian aggression in 2014 and 2015, we earnestly got after preparing for future conflict: training for the Ukrainians, pre-positioning of supplies, identification of sites from which we could operate support, sustain operations."


>"We call that setting the theatre. And we are setting the theatre in Japan, in the Philippines, in other locations."


>These statements of General Bierman are typical of the gross arrogance of the US imperialists in its relentless push to establish its global hegemony in its desperation to counteract its strategic economic decline. It regards with contempt the sovereignty of the Philippines and other countries. It treats its so-called “allies” as mere pawns in its imperialist game of chess to encircle its super-power rival China.


>In line with the Pentagon strategy of encircling China and prepositioning its forces within the so-called first-island chain, the US continues to build up its military presence in Japan, Korea, Singapore and the Philippines where it maintains military bases, and ruling governments are subservient to US interests.

 No.1346082

>>1346077
everything I don't like is ISIS

 No.1346086

>>1346085
low effort bait, no argument

 No.1346090

>>1346088
you just outed yourself burger

 No.1346093

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>>1346077
>comparing the CPP-NPA to ISIS
>ISIS literally exists in Mindanao and actively fights the NPA
>Without the NPA the island would be fucking overrun by islamic insurgents on the countryside

 No.1346094

>>1346092
>your opinions are invalid because you are not filipino
<i'm a burger tho but that's ok
incredible cope

 No.1346231

>>1346102
>supporting communist revolutionaries is cointelpro

 No.1346234

>>1346098
>Wow, infighting? Among terrorist groups? I guess I have to side with one.
That's the single most reactionary bullshit possible
If you can't support revolutionary violence youre just allowing reactionary violence (which is somehow even worse than the Filipino State, its fucking ISIS)

 No.1346238

You can cry and shit your pants all you want, I'm not supporting terrorism against infrastructure in developing countries.

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 No.1346261

>>1346238
>infrastructure made by foreigners solely for foreign profit
>infrastructure that drestroys the living conditions of indigenous people
>infrastructure that drestroys the living conditions of peasants
>infrastructure that expropriate the houses of poor working class people
The Belgians sure left a lot of infrastructure in the Congo

 No.1346263

>>1346258
It must be fun to be a fed and have access to the high quality archives of wojacks, anime avatars, and Picrews.

 No.1346264

>>1346261
>muh chinese imperialism
We get it anon.

 No.1346268

>>1346263
As a fed at least I would recive something, you happily suck Chinese cocks for free

 No.1346271

>>1346264
You don't have consider China to be imperialist to acknowledge the existence of contradictions between its bourgeoisie and workers/peasants in the countries they invest in.
>>1346263
You're the one vehemently defending a pro-US comprador regime and attacking communist revolutionaries as "terrorists".

 No.1346278

>>1346271
And yet anon has done nothing other than suggest attacking Chinese projects in the region is not part of the struggle against American occupation. It is pretty fishy for a guy hiding out in the Netherlands to announce it from Radio Free Asia, too.

 No.1346279

>>1346271
if u don't like my posts, hide them, but this is just pretending to read them
lol

 No.1346302

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>>1346278
Have you considered that these Chinese projects may be having a negative impact on the interests of the local population, and that attacking them is a way to deepen the CPP's support? Have you considered that China's involvement is providing benefits to the comprador regime, and thereby actually helping the US retain its grip on the country? The sensible approach when looking at the actions of comrades in other countries is to operate under two presumptions. First, that they are acting in good faith to bring about socialism in their country. Second, that they understand their country, its conditions, and the necessary tasks of its revolution better than any foreigner. Instead you are operating just under the childish assumption that literally anything China does must be good, and anybody who has any objection to anything they do must be bad. Because of this assumption you chauvinistically slander the CPP, minimize the importance of their struggle, and generally just display the kind of Westoid arrogance that is typical of your average radlib. You make ridiculous accusations that they are secretly pro-US (a laughable claim to anybody remotely familiar with the situation), compare them to ISIS, etc. You make no effort to consider their perspective or understand their actions. This is what vulgar campism does to a mf.

 No.1346324

>>1346302
You guys think the Belt and Road is comparable to Belgian occupation of the Congo.
Bottom text.

 No.1346331

>>1346324
I never said that or even implied it. You on the other hand seem to be operating under the assumption that no Chinese investment could ever harm the interests of workers and peasants in another country.

 No.1346333

I mean really that's the core problem is you don't understand what imperialism entails. You support Maoists in your online roleplays through process of elimination.
(me) >>1346324

 No.1346350

>>1346333
More deflection. China doesn't need to be imperialist in order for its foreign investments to harm the interests of the local people.

 No.1346414

>>1346350
You're really running with "attacking Belt and Road projects is the same as attacking US occupation forces". I get it anon. If that's what they want, they can expend resources to attack them.
It's pretty obvious to me why the US has not been building infrastructure in their colonies, but go off.

 No.1346596

>>1346414
Would you support communist revolution anywhere that has belt and road infrastructure?

 No.1346635

>>1346596
Why not - I'll engage with your idealistic notions.
Yes.
However, I would not be gullible enough to believe a "communist" group attacking part of the Kunming-Vientiane Railway in Laos (for example) is anything other than a bunch of terrorists.
I would immediately look for signs of them being used by foreign intelligence like positive reporting on them in imperialist media outlets.
The combination of faux environmentalism & indigenous advocacy with this does not make it more convincing.
It would be like Yaku Perez calling for attacks against BRI projects in Ecuador - laughable levels of fed nonsense. And if he was in Luxembourg? Fucking sidesplitting, comrade.

 No.1346668

>>1346635
I assume you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunming-Singapore_railway
I believe referring to later construction with the name used for an earlier stage of the project.

 No.1347046

>>1340437
Is this bait?

 No.1347049

>>1340601
The PRC pulled bullshit like that pretty much throughout their entire history

 No.1347050

>>1340654
>While they have had a slight leftward turn
lol no

 No.1347052

>>1346414
>You're really running with "attacking Belt and Road projects is the same as attacking US occupation forces".
I didn't say that either. I said that when you hear about the NPA attacking Belt and Road projects your first reaction should be asking why they are doing that. When you investigate to answer that question you should do so under the presumption that they understand the situation better than you do, and that they are sincerely working to build socialism in their country. Operating under these presumptions is the best way to combat your own chauvinism and avoid acting like a retarded arrogant Westoid. You didn't do that. Instead you heard they attacked a B&R project and immediately started looking for reasons to slander them, because the extent of your thinking is "everything China does is good." If you are so unwilling to part with this assumption that you start spewing state-department talking points about how the NPA are just like ISIS then maybe you should reassess your thought processes.

 No.1347055

>>1343765
Cool thanks anon

 No.1347062

>>1346635
>However, I would not be gullible enough to believe a "communist" group attacking part of the Kunming-Vientiane Railway in Laos (for example) is anything other than a bunch of terrorists.
Embarrassing post.

 No.1347117

>>1347052
I don't know about Philippines but in my country the port was bought by Costco and explicitly asked the state to mitigate union interference.
There was a whole thing between are national bourgeois and China funny story

 No.1347122

>>1347117
>explicitly asked the state to mitigate union interference
Well clearly those unions were CIA backed terrorists who are exactly like ISIS.

 No.1347130

Chyna

 No.1347232

AFP general who ordered Yvonne Chua killing is also behind killing of Ka Bok and Chad Booc

Marco L. Valbuena, Chief Information Officer
Communist Party of the Philippines

January 27, 2023

Gen. Jesus Durante III, whom the police named mastermind behind the recent killing of Davao City model Yvonne Chua, is also the criminal behind the torture and murder of NPA commander Menandro Villanueva (Ka Bok) and the killing of Chad Booc and four others last year.

A few days ago, a special police investigation determined that General Durante, commanding general of the 1001st Infantry Brigade, and former head of the Presidential Security Group under Duterte, ordered the killing of Yvonne Chua, a Davao-city based model. Chua was Durante's lover.

Murder charges have been filed against Durante and a number of other officers and soldiers. According to the police investigation, a group of six soldiers under General Durante were ordered to carry out the killing of Chua last December 30 using their AFP-issued guns. They shot Chua outside her home in Davao City and took her belongings. Probably pricked by their conscience, a number of these foot soldiers revealed the truth about the crime.

The CPP has taken special interest in this case considering that General Durante was head of the military unit that was directly involved in the torture and killing of New People's Army (NPA) commander Menardo Villanueva (Ka Bok). Ka Bok was captured by forces of the 1001st on December 25, 2021 in Davao de Oro, and subjected to torture and subsequently killed while under military custody. General Durante himself announced the killing of Ka Bok.

Before she was killed, Chua said she was being physically beaten by General Durante. At that time, she showed her friends on Facebook pictures of her bloodied face, arms and body. These conversations are now being made public. In one of her message, she said: "Feeling ko talaga… papatayin nya talaga ako. Andami kong alam na illegal nyang gawain… Kung isisiwalat ko lahat matataggal sya sa position nya" (I really think he will have me killed. I know a lot about his illegal activities… He will be kicked out of his position if I reveal all these).

More evidence about Durante's motive was revealed when one of Chua's friends posted a message from Chua where she said she holds "a vault of evidences and the real story about… the death of Menandro Villanueva aka Bok," as well as "the real story about the death of Chad Booc." Chad Booc, a volunteer teacher and activist supporter of the struggle of indigenous people of Mindanao, was extrajudicially killed by military personnel under the 1001st IBde on February 24, 2022 in New Bataan, Davao de Oro together with four other companions, after a meeting with local Lumad communities.

Indeed, had Chua possessed such damning information revealing detailed secrets of the AFP's dirty operations, she would be target not only of General Durante, but of the 10th Infantry Division and the entire AFP as well.

We join Yvonne Chua's family and friends in their clamor for justice and demand that all the criminals in the AFP be punished for their brutal crime. We denounce the AFP for giving Durante the Palparan special treatment for taking him into its custody instead of having him detained in police jails.

We denounce the local police for describing the murder of Chua as a "crime of passion" when it was evidently premeditated and carried out with a clear intent to kill. It appears the police does not want its investigation to reveal the real extent of the crime.

We urge all of Chua's family and friends to reveal all information that can help bring the secrets of the AFP's illegal and dirty operations to the fore. They can have Chua's computer and gadgets be subjected to independent forensic examination to retrieve all information that she had stored.

The killing of Chua reveals how the AFP is led by pathological criminals who use their power to order their men to carry out torture and murders. We urge all men of the AFP, especially its rank and file, who can no longer stand the stench of the military to leave the AFP and not allow yourselves to be used in the criminal schemes of their power-hungry fascist officers.

 No.1347288

>>1347062
Lol get absolutely bodied, seethe all you like
Your fantasies of committing terrorism will never materialize and there are ample resources to defend these projects

 No.1347300

>>1347052
>I didn't say that, I'm just saying you should've said that, because it's right
Just flailing about I see

 No.1347302

>>1347300
>>1347288
I really wish you would use a flag so I can ignore you like Eurasia anon

 No.1347311

>>1347302
It's the same silly argument from Maoists over and over again: developing a country is imperialism. They forget that empires deliberately repress development in their colonies, and that's why China makes burgers and Maoists tear their hair out.

 No.1347367

>>1347288
The only one seething is you, shitting and crying that communist revolutionaries are waging an armed struggle against a US-backed comprador regime instead of just waiting for Chinese porkies to make the country slightly less pro-US.

 No.1347421

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3 AFP soldiers, dead; 7 injured in NPA encounter in southwestern Negros

From Ang Bayan(CPP central news organ) Article was orginally in filipino so if the wording is slightly scuffed blame google translate

The New People's Army (NPA)-Southwest Negros (Armando Sumayang Jr. Command) confirmed today the encounter between its unit and the 15th IB in Sityo Malipayon, Barangay San Jose, Sipalay City on January 18.

Due to the unit's guerilla ability, it was able to seize the initiative from the soldiers and inflict 10 casualties on the enemy. Three were confirmed killed in the 15th IB while seven others were wounded.

According to Ka Andrea Guerrero, spokesperson of the NPA unit, the battle lasted for 10 minutes and after that, the people's army unit was able to safely maneuver and retreat.

The soldiers turned the fascist violence on the local population after such an encounter. As was done in Himamaylan City and other parts of Negros, a militaristic lockdown was implemented in Sityo Tabon-tabon and Sityo Malipayon in Barangay San Jose, Sipalay City and the communities in the adjacent Barangay Baclao, Cauayan.

About 200 families or nearly 500 individuals were forcibly evacuated from schools and barangay centers. This forced displacement affected the livelihood of farmers and residents.

In the report received by the NPA-Southwest Negros, it was said that the residents were prohibited from farming, returning to their houses and leaving their villages. The soldiers also illegally searched the food purchased by the residents.

Link to article: https://philippinerevolution.nu/angbayan/3-sundalo-ng-afp-patay-7-nasugatan-sa-engwkwentro-sa-bhb/

 No.1347856

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>>1347718
>but it's clear they provide a way for the Department of Defense to recoup communist sentiment for their foreign policy goals
Lmao, you're actually retarded. Do you unironically believe that the Fillipino government is some kind of bastion of anti-imperialism? It literally hosts US bases, it docks US ships, it's a de facto US colony. It's a linchpin of US power projection in the Pacific. Losing it to a Maoist government would actually be the kind of blow to US imperialism that China is too cowardly to strike. You're so committed to defending China's Gorbachev-tier appeasement of the West that you are opposed to the revolutionary overthrow of a major US comprador regime.

 No.1347865


 No.1347946

>>1347918
>They're not going to throw out the US doing this nonsense
Thanks for the input from Langley.

 No.1347998

>>1347972
Idk, the CPP has called for Filippinos to resist the use of their country as a base to attack China >>1346074 and they're actively working to overthrow a US comprador regime.

Meanwhile you're over here telling people that armed resistance against the US is pointless and that people who do it are the same as ISIS.(Please stop replying to spam. Report and ignore)

 No.1348279

absolute unadulterated cope

 No.1348752

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1623551/afp-npa-down-to-2000-fighters-guerrilla-fronts-slashed-by-74-percent
Last July Duterte claimed the NPA's armed component was reduced to 2000 members.
Obviously this is very Orwellian language from the regimist Duterte, but what are the numbers?
I know strategic equilibrium is a huge step, showing they are entering the LATTER stage of the Protracted People's War. 👊😜 Even more impressive if their numbers are in fact dwindling at the same time.

 No.1351852

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>>1348752
From the CPP they claimed to have 150.000 members as militants and civilians.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220109083938/https://cpp.ph/statements/the-people-will-intensify-the-revolution-as-crisis-of-the-ruling-system-will-worsen/
Duterte also claimed his son had gay sex with 4 NPA guys behind a coconut grove and that 40% of the NPA was gay. I don't think people should trust anything he said.
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/02/25/1896522/40-npa-rebels-are-gay-duterte
>“Alam ba ninyo 40 percent ng NPA ngayon na sundalo bakla? (Did you know that 40 percent of NPA fighters are gay?),” Duterte said during a campaign sortie of the PDP-Laban in Laguna last Saturday.
>“Pagdating sa bukid, dinala ako ng apat na NPA doon sa niyogan. Gihalik-halikan ako tapos ‘yung lahat… (Four NPA rebels brought me to an area filled with coconut trees. All of them kissed me),” the President quoted his son as saying.

 No.1351859

>>1340379
aint enough us the pinoy public majority still hates those communist pests

 No.1351864

>>1351859
>wants to "raid" subreddits
>is a pinoy crying about the existence of the NPA
You've become the hoop


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