No.1404266
~There will never be an "End of History."~
Why do you think it is that capitalist society still permeates to this day? Simply because you haven't unleashed the global communist pandora's box, and that the masses are yet to receive the truth? All throughout history up until this point we have always had competing factions who may work for either the common good or for the atomized success of their own interest. The "philosophical problem of evil" does come to mind. It's certainly nice to imagine that we could stave off any further mass societal evils in such a way, though this is reductive. If people could be motivated at any point to perpetrate the evils of nazi germany, they could be motivated again to turn against the tide of what ought to be done in favor of some kind of hysteria or just an innately selfish drive. I'm not at all trying to make a "but human nature" argument against communism, simply state that I don't believe in any future humanity which isn't guided by the flux state of good and evil in contention with one another. It is a kind of self-deceit to assume that humanity will ever be able to rid itself of its tendencies. Simply looking at the world around you, do you think any of these people are ready to cheerfully transcend all evil and remove themselves from the drama of this human condition as it perpetrates itself upon us? The capitalist urge, the selfish urge, is not something that can be done away with by any one sweeping movement.
We should be willing to think more thoroughly about a post-communist world and all that it entails. It is my belief that society will have to have ever-evolving principles and ways of organizing itself in order to actually sustain something resembling the utopia which is dreamed of here. What new moral dilemmas will arise given new conditions? How can we, just as the capitalists dream of with their (supposed) technological growth, consider the philosophical and moral implications of a post-utopian society that is capable of growing beyond present limitations to keep in tide with the advent of nature influencing our drive towards something higher than what is already achieved? Nature does, I believe, ensure that there is an ever-present force of change in the universe. And if we achieve a "new harmony," surely we will face oddities unforeseen by the trends of today.
Perhaps, given all this, it is somewhat necessary to narrow our scope of theorized goals. To create a communist revival of sorts in our own temporary and feasible ways. Can we, rather than thinking of communism as this all-or-nothing feat to be achieved, create unique harbors that can house the generous and free state of humanity that is to be aspired towards so that we can, on a truly human level, learn to appreciate the absolute importance of our holistic long-term goal? It is one thing to dream of this new state of affairs, to encourage it, and another to create some kind of experiential forefront which shows us not just intellectually but concretely in a way which is more engaging to the imagination than this rigorous understanding developed through studious approaches to knowledge. I believe such a thing is possible, outside of the endless dilemma of geopolitical affairs, and that even if it does not contribute to anything outside of its own wondrous existence, it would allow us to feel that we ourselves have grown past the seeming "human need" to work against each other's interests. As inhibitors of the first world, we should strive for this as a way to combat not just the tangible functions of capitalism, but the spiritual ones as well which haunt our conscience and keep us in a state of depravity and subservience to the existing social order bound to greed.
I know nothing of means to this end, but this does not stop me from placing value on the true capabilities of humanity liberated from these chains of consumerism and mind control. We should cast off this yoke of history and become what we already are–beautiful and loving beings of infinite potential.
No.1404274
>>1404266communism is not about utopia. but advancing to the next mode of production. it will have many problems that we will have to solve, some might even be harder than the leap from capitalism to communism. but nonetheless, just about every systemic problem of our modern world can unsurprisingly be traced directly back to the capitalist mode of production, and transition to socialism will solve them. but as a result we will have other systemic problems. its just about advancing further. we started with the plow, now we have ai, new things will keep coming after that, but only if we can advance beyond capitalism, which is fundamentally anti-technological and anti-progress. only socialism can achieve the advanced technologies we need to advance as a species and overcome basic issues like lack of food, water, shelter, all the way up to education and leisure time
No.1404277
>>1404274I want to explore what the meaning of this new society would represent/encompass.
No.1404278
>>1404277it would mean the global supply chain is understood and planned according to needs, for both humans and the ecosystem, and future humans. human potential is so high. imagine vast reserves of food to weather through any disaster, the ability to move everyone to other planets if ours was in unavoidable danger, the ability to become the driving force of our section of the universe, not just monkeys fighting over scraps. we will have more or less overcome the adversities we evolved in, and our world will be almost entirely of our own making. we will have the skill to through our natural life processes alone, protect our earth while living luxuriously within it. we will always have problems like incurable diseases, and matters of human nature that are beyond our control, but we haven't even reached up near those limitations yet as capitalists want us to believe
No.1404284
>>1404266>And if we achieve a "new harmony," surely we will face oddities unforeseen by the trends of todayits beyond us to know the future, the new society will create people we wont be able to understand, as if we are primitive people in comparison, we can't know their limitations, but those limitations will define their problems
No.1404286
>>1404266>experiential forefront which shows us not just intellectually but concretely in a way which is more engaging to the imagination than this rigorous understanding developed through studious approaches to knowledgeI really like this. Imagine if we had communism in just one place. What is the minimum unit of population and geographical diversity required? I would almost say, that what we need is a future primitivism, something natural and good, a collection of seeds suited well for the region, that encourage full physical health, plants that allow extraction of needed medicines, a bootstrapping of basic pharmaceutical manufacturing equipment, and the ability to create advanced medical and computational, transportational equipment, it would probably require at least a large sized country similar in size to England, with better geographical diversity like the US.
No.1404311
>>1404278Can you be more specific outside of just the end of suffering caused by capitalism?
>>1404286It can be like the "if you love communism, why don't you move to X" argument but actually everyone does want to do that.
No.1404331
>>1404301Amazing that americans have writers like Steinbeck and still become retarded.
No.1404361
>>1404311>Can you be more specific outside of just the end of suffering caused by capitalism?just go back to marx. people will be able to be a hunter one day, a factory worker the next, and a student the next. no longer will we be forced within any systems but the systems will be at our disposal. we will develop into our species-being and be capable of achieving species level feats of engineering like dyson spheres and general AI, fully automated economy, an explosion of arts and leisure activities as well as inventing new ways to do old things, advancing at a pace far beyond what capitalism allows
No.1404362
>>1404311>It can be like the "if you love communism, why don't you move to X" argument but actually everyone does want to do that.that sounds amazing
No.1404369
>>1404331steinbeck is taught in school sbut never attached to any conc ept of labor or worker rights or socialism in america
No.1404372
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No.1405144
>>1404361I dislike here the concept of the reliance on technology. Without that, communism would still be a cultural as well as an economic revolution.
>>1404372That the eternal fixation on this alleged "communist rapture" of the future may be a delusion, and that we should strive to make real what is possible today without an attachment to grandiose outcomes.