No.1475645
>>1449172Symbolic gesture, could do more harm than good, paternalistic police presence, romantic "de-colonialism" with no substance. No treaty, no vote. Stop siding with labor.
No.1475650
>>1475608Trotskyite conventions are held for profit
No.1475669
>>1475650Problem, Bordiga?
No.1476469
>>1475732Comrade Sparrow isn't looking too healthy there…
No.1476478
>>1475732I'm going to throw out a hypothesis on why the literal Nazis failed to recruit all the suposed far right conspiracy theorists from the much neglected outer suburbs
It's because those so called far right conspiracy theorists aren't exactly that They're more a bunch of normies and conspiracy theories are normal in this current world because conspiracy facts are common
Should have just thrown Pfeizer under the bus where it belonged and licenced the Chinese or Cuban vaccines now vaccine hesitancy is normal good job breaking it morons**
No.1476479
>>1476478 (me)
Anyway what standing does the grognard have for calling out the black sun symbol without apologising for studiously ignoring it being all over the Ukrainian army and paramilitaries
No.1476523
>>1476520>My biggest issue is that you manipulate people and are dishonest about your intentions and operating model.>You approach people at rallies who are new to politics and start what is made to seem like a genuine personal conversation. You don't tell them that this is a planned tactic to recruit them to your political party. If that's your intention, you should say that upfront when you approach people at rallies. It is unethical not to do so. Stop pretending that you personally care about somebody when you actually have an undisclosed ulterior motive, like some kind of Marxist fuckboy.>You create front groups and use other methods to obfuscate your involvement in campaigns. You hold public meetings and other forums that are made to appear as though ordinary attendees have real decision making power, even though the meetings are designed so that the outcomes are controlled by Socialist Alternative. Instead, you should make clear that suggestions that don't align with Socialist Alternative are not going to pass at these meetings, when this is the case. All campaigns that Socialist Alternative has a controlling amount of influence in (CARF, VicSocs, USCJ, various stupol tickets, et cetera) should disclose that in all promotional material, such as by putting a SAlt logo on posters and flyers and such.My second problem is your lack of solidarity, in that you never support any cause outside your Party except as a means to promote the Party.
>You have been told year after year that you are not welcome to promote your Party or sell newspapers and merchandise at Invasion day rallies. Every year you do it anyway, and you don't even give a cut back to Pay the Rent. This is Aboriginal land, but clearly you don't respect that one bit, since you're not willing to honour their space even one day a year. Instead, you should show up to Invasion Day events and leave your fucking newspapers and merchandise at home. Don't promote your Party at these events, just support the Aboriginal struggle as the Aboriginal organisers have asked.>When you organise counter protests against the far right, such as Posie Parker, NSN and others, you prioritise whatever will bolster your party the most, instead of what will most effectively disrupt that event. I understand your ideology opposes direct action and instead proposes that the resistance to the far right should be by building a single socialist Party and taking power through revolution. The problem is that many people who participate in CARF do actually want to take direct action against the far right and value that more than they value your Party. CARF rallies are organised in a way that divert people away from the direct action that many would rather participate in. Honestly, I think it's pretty disgusting that when the far right are going after trans people and people of colour, your mostly white and cis party sees it as a recruitment opportunity before anything else. That's fucked up. Instead, you should make it clear to participants that the objective of your rally is to build power for your party, not to take direct action against the far right threat, so that they at least have the opportunity to try and join or organise another response that is more aligned with their goals. Better yet, you could just deprioritise your fucking Party for just a moment and support other groups' efforts to disrupt far right organising.>Bonus third complaint - You actively disrupt organising by other groups. Back in the heyday of Extinction Rebellion, your party decided that it would infiltrate XR, take it over and shut it down. Fortunately, you only managed to do this to a few groups on universities. As much as Extinction Rebellion has its many problems, people should be able to do left wing organising independent of your Party without having to constantly worry about whether SAlt is going to fuck with it. Instead, if you have suggestions for how another group should organise, you should contact them, making sure to let them know that you're from Socialist Alternative, share your experience, and let them decide whether or not they want to take it on board.Running stalls is good. Approaching people to recruit them is fine, depending on how you do it. >Recruiting students is good.
>It's not so much jealousy that you're the biggest group but frustrating that the most prominent org on the left is so awfully behaved. When people's only experience of "socialism" is being lied to and harassed by SAlt, they associate the entire left with that bad experience. That's exacerbated by the way that SAlt encourage people to believe that socialism and Socialist Alternative are synonymous.>Your ideology also does suck, but that's forgivable except maybe that it's the motivator for all the dodgy shit listed above. I'm totally for left unity and I wouldn't hate a group just because they're the wrong kind of socialist.Anon went for the throat
No.1476760
>>1476469You may not like it, but this is what peak punk looks like.
No.1476802
>>1476520I didn't even know there were that many people in the subreddit.
I've seen the SAlt question asked before but they've outdone themselves this time. Bravo.
No.1477513
>>1476523holy
fuck I had no idea they ran so many front groups.
Damn, I've even donated and helped out with some. I'll have to reconsider…
No.1477628
>>1476861this is something apparently a lot of parties across the world do. wish I could go but am abroad rn
No.1478394
I notice that MWM is in the OP but not Independent Australia? Why is that? In my experience they're pretty similar sources and I think IA would be a far better fit than Crikey.
No.1478512
>>1477628I wish I could too, but I'm too old (26)
No.1478681
A Socialist Alternative recruiter worked out today.
Did you?
No.1478683
>>1478512I mean, you're officially not too old for the event.
>Eligibility: Full or probational members of the CPA aged 18-29. No.1478697
>>1476523>Back in the heyday of Extinction Rebellion, your party decided that it would infiltrate XR, take it over and shut it downI mean…
No.1478711
>>1478697bringe or cased
Not sure which
No.1478738
>>1478697XR did nothing wrong
No.1478740
>>1478394What's wrong with Crikey?
No.1479658
>>1478681lmao no they didn't
No.1479662
>>1478740Not that anon but Independent Australia is based
https://independentaustralia.net/Vol plox add to OP?
No.1479716
>>1479658Yeah they did.
At the library. No.1480021
>>1479997Yeah
Why do you think the drug tests the coppers use don't detect it
No.1480022
>>1480021 (me)
It's a simple manufacturers setting to turn detection on I think
No.1483183
>>1480346i dont even understand why you would type that out. it makes no sense.
No.1484069
https://www.youtube.com/live/cKgEo73CTvYIndonesian foreign policy think tank live now having a yarn about Albo
No.1488188
>>1483199>Accidental Death of an AnarchistCertified /leftypol/ mandatory watching list.
Somebody post Allende clip plz. new harddrive.
No.1490279
>>1488181How does anyone still fucking believe in the "hard work" when it's so poorly defined? What does "hardness" even mean?
No.1490590
>>1490279because they look at people who are on their phone or just half-assing work and think that their extra effort makes them better and deserving of more money, rather than dumber
No.1490923
>>1490279>What does "hardness" even mean?Imagine living under Benito ᴉuᴉlossnW's rule. Imagined?
Now multiply it by 10.
No.1490926
>>1488181>Supported by: Australian Retailers AssociationLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
No.1492535
>>1490919Why the fuck is news.com.au the only one putting out hits recently?
Even socialist zines can't compete.
No.1492543
>>1492535 [cunt'd]
haha you can't make this shit up
No.1492659
>>1492498Unions wouldn't exist without capitalism. If you think unions want to get rid of capitalism, you are delusional.
No.1492735
>>1492659That's like saying nobody could ever possibly want to murder their own parents. And yet it happens.
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