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Symbolic gesture, could do more harm than good, paternalistic police presence, romantic "de-colonialism" with no substance. No treaty, no vote. Stop siding with labor.


Trotskyite conventions are held for profit


Problem, Bordiga?


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Comrade Sparrow isn't looking too healthy there…


I'm going to throw out a hypothesis on why the literal Nazis failed to recruit all the suposed far right conspiracy theorists from the much neglected outer suburbs
It's because those so called far right conspiracy theorists aren't exactly that They're more a bunch of normies and conspiracy theories are normal in this current world because conspiracy facts are common
Should have just thrown Pfeizer under the bus where it belonged and licenced the Chinese or Cuban vaccines now vaccine hesitancy is normal good job breaking it morons**


>>1476478 (me)
Anyway what standing does the grognard have for calling out the black sun symbol without apologising for studiously ignoring it being all over the Ukrainian army and paramilitaries


>why do you hate us?
>61 comments explaining why

can SAlt go ten minutes without embarrassing themselves


>My biggest issue is that you manipulate people and are dishonest about your intentions and operating model.
>You approach people at rallies who are new to politics and start what is made to seem like a genuine personal conversation. You don't tell them that this is a planned tactic to recruit them to your political party. If that's your intention, you should say that upfront when you approach people at rallies. It is unethical not to do so. Stop pretending that you personally care about somebody when you actually have an undisclosed ulterior motive, like some kind of Marxist fuckboy.
>You create front groups and use other methods to obfuscate your involvement in campaigns. You hold public meetings and other forums that are made to appear as though ordinary attendees have real decision making power, even though the meetings are designed so that the outcomes are controlled by Socialist Alternative. Instead, you should make clear that suggestions that don't align with Socialist Alternative are not going to pass at these meetings, when this is the case. All campaigns that Socialist Alternative has a controlling amount of influence in (CARF, VicSocs, USCJ, various stupol tickets, et cetera) should disclose that in all promotional material, such as by putting a SAlt logo on posters and flyers and such.
My second problem is your lack of solidarity, in that you never support any cause outside your Party except as a means to promote the Party.
>You have been told year after year that you are not welcome to promote your Party or sell newspapers and merchandise at Invasion day rallies. Every year you do it anyway, and you don't even give a cut back to Pay the Rent. This is Aboriginal land, but clearly you don't respect that one bit, since you're not willing to honour their space even one day a year. Instead, you should show up to Invasion Day events and leave your fucking newspapers and merchandise at home. Don't promote your Party at these events, just support the Aboriginal struggle as the Aboriginal organisers have asked.
>When you organise counter protests against the far right, such as Posie Parker, NSN and others, you prioritise whatever will bolster your party the most, instead of what will most effectively disrupt that event. I understand your ideology opposes direct action and instead proposes that the resistance to the far right should be by building a single socialist Party and taking power through revolution. The problem is that many people who participate in CARF do actually want to take direct action against the far right and value that more than they value your Party. CARF rallies are organised in a way that divert people away from the direct action that many would rather participate in. Honestly, I think it's pretty disgusting that when the far right are going after trans people and people of colour, your mostly white and cis party sees it as a recruitment opportunity before anything else. That's fucked up. Instead, you should make it clear to participants that the objective of your rally is to build power for your party, not to take direct action against the far right threat, so that they at least have the opportunity to try and join or organise another response that is more aligned with their goals. Better yet, you could just deprioritise your fucking Party for just a moment and support other groups' efforts to disrupt far right organising.
>Bonus third complaint - You actively disrupt organising by other groups. Back in the heyday of Extinction Rebellion, your party decided that it would infiltrate XR, take it over and shut it down. Fortunately, you only managed to do this to a few groups on universities. As much as Extinction Rebellion has its many problems, people should be able to do left wing organising independent of your Party without having to constantly worry about whether SAlt is going to fuck with it. Instead, if you have suggestions for how another group should organise, you should contact them, making sure to let them know that you're from Socialist Alternative, share your experience, and let them decide whether or not they want to take it on board.
Running stalls is good. Approaching people to recruit them is fine, depending on how you do it. >Recruiting students is good.
>It's not so much jealousy that you're the biggest group but frustrating that the most prominent org on the left is so awfully behaved. When people's only experience of "socialism" is being lied to and harassed by SAlt, they associate the entire left with that bad experience. That's exacerbated by the way that SAlt encourage people to believe that socialism and Socialist Alternative are synonymous.
>Your ideology also does suck, but that's forgivable except maybe that it's the motivator for all the dodgy shit listed above. I'm totally for left unity and I wouldn't hate a group just because they're the wrong kind of socialist.

Anon went for the throat


You may not like it, but this is what peak punk looks like.


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I didn't even know there were that many people in the subreddit.

I've seen the SAlt question asked before but they've outdone themselves this time. Bravo.



holy fuck I had no idea they ran so many front groups.
Damn, I've even donated and helped out with some. I'll have to reconsider…


this is something apparently a lot of parties across the world do. wish I could go but am abroad rn


I notice that MWM is in the OP but not Independent Australia? Why is that? In my experience they're pretty similar sources and I think IA would be a far better fit than Crikey.


I wish I could too, but I'm too old (26)


A Socialist Alternative recruiter worked out today.
Did you?


I mean, you're officially not too old for the event.
>Eligibility: Full or probational members of the CPA aged 18-29.


>Back in the heyday of Extinction Rebellion, your party decided that it would infiltrate XR, take it over and shut it down
I mean…


bringe or cased
Not sure which




XR did nothing wrong


What's wrong with Crikey?


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>South Australians protesting against protest laws
But seriously, fuck those laws.


lmao no they didn't


Not that anon but Independent Australia is based
Vol plox add to OP?


Yeah they did.
At the library.


Inside the dangerous world of cocaine dealing in Australia | Four Corners

this true? are australian porkies on cocaine?


Why do you think the drug tests the coppers use don't detect it


>>1480021 (me)
It's a simple manufacturers setting to turn detection on I think


So anyway m8s I think it is time for common sense and not tieing our horses to the sinking septic ship


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Is voting against the "voice to Parliament" no different than voting against free speech?


i dont even understand why you would type that out. it makes no sense.


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>I've personally seen judges take it with a glass of single malt
>it's probably just hairspray and panadol anyway
keep it trashy, pork


Indonesian foreign policy think tank live now having a yarn about Albo


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"Spotted in Melbourne"



>Accidental Death of an Anarchist
Certified /leftypol/ mandatory watching list.
Somebody post Allende clip plz. new harddrive.


How does anyone still fucking believe in the "hard work" when it's so poorly defined? What does "hardness" even mean?


because they look at people who are on their phone or just half-assing work and think that their extra effort makes them better and deserving of more money, rather than dumber


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they got that chinlet rizz fr


>What does "hardness" even mean?
Imagine living under Benito ᴉuᴉlossnW's rule. Imagined?

Now multiply it by 10.


>Supported by: Australian Retailers Association


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the unions already do a terrific job themselves


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Why the fuck is news.com.au the only one putting out hits recently?

Even socialist zines can't compete.


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>>1492535 [cunt'd]
haha you can't make this shit up


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Does anyone know what this was in relation to?


Unions wouldn't exist without capitalism. If you think unions want to get rid of capitalism, you are delusional.


That's like saying nobody could ever possibly want to murder their own parents. And yet it happens.

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