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 No.1417500[Last 50 Posts]

 No.1417506

File: 1680216902168.mp4 (851.74 KB, 320x568, praxvertising.mp4)

Just learned this is on tomorrow:
>Covering up fash tags in Sydney with posters promoting the Wildcat Radical Zine Fair, which will take place on Saturday April 1st at St Peters Town Hall in Sydenham.
>The event is free and will go from 10am - 4pm.

Solidarity is also holding Keep Left 2023 (https://keepleft.info) on the 8th-9th in Glebe, Sydney. That link has a playlist of talks from past events so it will probably be recorded and uploaded if you can't attend.

Finally, reminder that the culty salties are hosting Marxism Conference on 14th-17th April in Melbourne.

 No.1417551

>>1417500
Why did he get taken away?

 No.1417565

>>1417551
Party statement in the comments (only other place I could find it was FaceBook, gross!)
https://teddit.net/r/AustralianSocialism/comments/my5lzl/an_australian_communist_party_supporter_being/

 No.1417584

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How would you make an Australian labour-value certificate system anons?

 No.1417593

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>>1417584
Holographic.

 No.1417604

>>1417506
Cool but isn't sticker posters really expensive?

 No.1417616

>>1417604
How expensive can they be? Plus if it's anarchists there's a good chance they just make wheatpaste or similar.

 No.1417636

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>>1417593
>Finally, pay-day! Babe, we're eatin' well at Dan's Canteen to tonight!

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 No.1418196

>>1418192
Noooo ;_;

 No.1420128

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Every rally salties have is surrounded by cops to protect them. Is there evidence they are run by glowuyghurs?

 No.1421467

>>1420128
I doubt it. I mean, there's probably some basic standard infiltration/informant attempts like with all non-liberal parties but I doubt they have enough fucks to give to waste resources leading the thing. The worst they're doing is attending protests and yelling at a nazi gym.

 No.1421528

HUNG PARLIAMENT, BITCH.

The Legislative Assembly ('lower house') results are stable. The Liberal/National coalition has been defeated, losing 9 seats, while Labor has gained 7, leaving them 2 short of a majority. This will force them to appeal to 2 or more crossbenchers to gain majority votes against the coalition on controversial issues.

>Who's sitting on the crossbench in NSW parliament, and what they'll be asking from Labor

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/nsw-election-who-is-sitting-on-the-crossbench/102154828

There has also been a shift in the Legislative Council. While this was already hung as of 2019-2023 (Lib/Nat 17 seats, 21 needed for majority), the balance has shifted towards Labor, and the crossbench has moved significantly. If I'm reading the results correctly (they only vote in half the senate per election) and assuming they're stable enough:
>Labor: 16 (+2)
>Lib: 10 (-1)
>Nat: 5 (-1)
>Greens: 4 (+1)
>Shooters,Fishers,Farmers: 1 (–)
>One Nation: 2 (–)
>Animal Justice: 1 (-1)
>Liberal Democrats [lolberts]: 1 (+1)
>Legalise Cannabis Party: 1 (+1)
>Fred Nile: 0 (rekt)

This means, for example, you only need Labor, Greens and the Animal Justice guy or the Legal Weed guy in order to pass something with majority in both houses. This (in theory) gives bargaining power to Greens and other seats for issues the Coalition may oppose.

Oh, and for those wondering: (not final, but we're close)
[assemb] Socialist Alliance - 1,294 (+86). Last.
[council] Socialist Alliance - 14,238 (+1,044). Last out of Above the Line
[council] Socialist Equality Party - (they were 'Group K' on the Council ballot, and you could only vote for them in a below the line vote): 49. Second last in total, behind all the conspiracy nuts.

The assembly results can be weird, because they fielded only 2 candidates, one in Heffron (near UTS and USYD, where their headquarters/library is) and one in Newcastle, but both came last in their electorate.
They did lose by 600 to the Small Business Party (1 candidate whatsoever), by 2,500 to Public Education Party (8 candidates) who were typically the worst performing candidate, even below the lower independants. But even in their chosen hotspots, sallies also performed among the worst candidates of anywhere.

 No.1421590

>>1421528
The Sallies should just fucking stop running in state elections honestly, they get smashed every time and waste so much of their limited money.

 No.1421605

>>1421590
They have approximately zero presence.
Maybe it's because I'm not on a uni campus or particularly present in the activism scene, but apart from a couple of posters in the days before the election (right next to everyone else's) I don't know how they expect anyone to even know they exist. At least the salties have a reputation, even that garbage is better than being invisible when you're registering for elections.

 No.1421612

>>1421605 [cunt'd]
To compare this to say, salties who have repeatedly plastered every electrical box and every bus stop within a 5km radius of Newtown for a conference that isn't even in NSW, or even Solidarity putting posters up ahead of their conference, and similar social justice movements. I've been up near the sallies' HQ a couple of times a week because of temp work nearby and unless you happen to walk past their office and peep in, there is no other evidence of their existence in the surrounding areas.
Well, their name was mentioned in the fine print of an anti-eviction event poster, alongside literally a dozen other orgs like CPA, Food not Bombs and NSW Greens.

 No.1421622

>>1417584
You have to apologize to an aboriginal person to get your labor voucher certified.

 No.1422780

>>1421605
>>1421612
99% of the population confuses the sallies and salties. Every time the salties do something stupid, it backfires on the sallies too.

 No.1424100

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>>1422780
You're deluding yourself. At most, 9% of the population conflates the sallies and the salties.
90% aren't aware of either.

 No.1424967

>>1421605
>>1421612
Why though? Why can't the Sallies seem to get it up while the Salties multiply with Solidarity and VicSoc?

 No.1425779

>>1424967
If you're asking me, I don't even know what they do do.
There's like a 50% chance they actually exist, you know?

 No.1425854

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 No.1425873

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I'm not an Aussie, but this image is apparently from the 'Marxism Conference ' in Melbourne.

Why are they still wearing the masks?

 No.1425878

>>1425779
>There's like a 50% chance they actually exist, you know?
Sallies are… Spooks?

 No.1425889

>>1425873
You should wear the mask to counter facial detection

 No.1425948

>>1425873
It's so they don't spot the ASIO agents.

 No.1427002

>>1421528
ABC is listing definite LC, remove 1 from Labor, add 1 to One Nation and 1 to SSF.
Gross.

 No.1427003

>>1425873
Because COVID still exists and keeps on evolving

 No.1427008

>>1425873
"Marxism Conference" is by the cultie salties (Socialist Alternative, the organization this is about: >>1310295 )
The last time it was held in Melbourne, they kicked out and (poorly) stalked some YouTuber for having a sense of humour and interviewing a couple of cheerful attendees who took apology selfies with him afterwards. Was it as embarrassing this time?

 No.1427009

>>1425878
Sallies are a social contruct.

 No.1427281

What do we think about volunteering and children working in small businesses in Australia? Seems to be pretty widely accepted

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-08/country-kids-solve-labour-shortage-jugiong-jam-factory/102181710

 No.1427739

>>1427009
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 No.1427924

>>1427281
Based if they get paid adult minimum wage.

 No.1429070

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Meanwhile, in Melbourne.

 No.1429072

>>1427924
comrade that defeats the whole purpose

 No.1429085

>>1427281
So child labor is legal in NSW

 No.1430081

I am going to vote yes for the aboriginal vote because if I don't and Labor loses then it's going to be a lose for Labor
Australians don't want losers in power so they will get kicked out

 No.1430789

Do you think there will be a republic soon, Aussieanons?

 No.1430870

>>1430789
eh, I feel a lot of people consider it a ton of work for little gain, and one less backup plan for a disastrous government.
So I don't have confidence we're leaving in the next 5 years.

 No.1430873

Where do orgs put out calls to the public, like for protests and counterprotests? I don't feel like scouring the suburbs for posters or joining facebook.

 No.1430874

>>1430870 (moi)
>and one less backup plan for a disastrous government
"checks and balances" was the phrase I was looking for

 No.1430885

>>1430789
Possibly, but the question is, what SORT of republic?

 No.1431119

>>1430885
The best kind.

 No.1431149

>>1430873
Go on twitter. White rose soc has most of your antifa needs. You'd probably have to get a burner FB account as most of the unions still use 'em (Boomer base). 'Strike Updates' is a good FB page. I think there's an antifa telegram somewhere.

>>1429070
lol

 No.1431216

>>1431149
>White rose soc has most of your antifa needs.
Is this an aus WR? link pls

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 No.1431771

>>1431333
Thank you, comrade.
>We are also on Mastodon [ https://kolektiva.social/@thewhiterosesocietyau ] as a placeholder for now.
Hey, at least they had the foresight, since Twitter has been kicking more and more media outlets and journalists.

 No.1431795

>>1431333
My only little gripe is that the feed is filled with US pol retweets and spectacle and arguing with literally whos.
I can filter to just show their media-attached posts https://nitter.net/WhiteRoseSocAU/media and grab the RSS feed of it, even though that might miss out on a couple of important retweets.

 No.1431825

>>1431795
well it's what you can expect from antifa types, disorganised movementist that place more emphasis on surveillance rather than confrontation

 No.1431901

>>1431825
Well, it's more what I expect from unprofessional (that's not an insult) disorganized twitter accounts.

 No.1432080

>>1431771
>tfwno kolektiva australian commie instances

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 No.1433807

Was he based anons?
Where can i read more about him and his project, where can i learn generally indiginous movements? I imagine they are like north america in which there is a lot of activism and organization it is just studiously not reported on.

 No.1434284

>>1433807
wtf I've never heard of this dude? HOW?

 No.1434323

>>1430873
Why don't orgs try and recruit people from leftypol? Are they unaware of this website's existence, despite being the best place to discuss leftist theory?

 No.1434393

>>1434323
Because we have approximately 5 Australians in total, across multiple states. derp.
CPUSA anon at least has a potential audience of dozens or maybe a hundred.

 No.1434508

>>1433807
They were cool back in the day but they left absolutely nothing behind save the Tent Embassy. But to be fair that was (and still is) the majority of the left back then. Absolutely no lasting orgs, so if you have an indigenous person with a hint of political awareness they end up going straight to the government, where the result is what you can imagine.

Here is Gary Foley's website, there's lots there, maybe you can get something out of it:

http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/indexb.html

 No.1434525

former PM Malcolm Turnbull interviewed on American TV: ‘No individual alive has done more to divide America than Murdoch’

 No.1434560

>>1434525
inshallah

 No.1434973

>>1434525
I know at the end of the day he;s a Liberal PM, but out of the Liberal PMs he was the closest to alright.

 No.1435003

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>>1434525
This report is downright unprofessional, it sucks. Don't get me wrong, Murdoch deserves prolonged prison violence at best. Most of what the report is saying is reasonable or true. But it's a shitty report that sounds like an extended twitter post.

… holy shit is that the same guy at 1:47 getting talked over as in this old Chaser's episode from 2007? vidrel

 No.1435234

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>>1434525
>‘No individual alive has done more to divide America than Murdoch’
Well, he's not wrong, especially relating to how FOX news warps the minds of its consumers.

 No.1436021

Queen

 No.1436226

>>1436021
Wow she is body shaming those men what a sexist, racist lengthist.

 No.1436340

>>1436021
I want to vote for her to make the media seethe.

 No.1438841

File: 1681871818886.jpg (1.04 MB, 4175x4186, Margaret Thatcher.jpg)

> Job Network fuck says "Contribute to society"!
> Capital also says "there is no society, there is only the individual".

Why are these fuckers (which I will shoot, in Minecraft) like this?

 No.1438971

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>>1438841
>Far from promoting social cohesion, as people like Marshall had claimed, neo-liberals argued that the modern welfare system was creating social fragmentation. The true spirit of the modern welfare state was not altruism but self-interest, for the huge welfare budget was encouraging more and more people to get as much as they could for themselves out of the communal pot.
>Nor was the system particularly effective at helping the poor. Indeed, rather than solving social problems, the welfare state had created new ones, for it had fostered the emergence of a new ‘underclass’ which had grown dependent upon state handouts while the employed population laboured under increasingly onerous levels of taxation in order to support it.
>Such arguments led neo-liberals to conclude that it was not only economically ‘rational’ for governments to cut their welfare budgets, but also that it was in some sense morally ‘right’ for them to do so.

You jest but this is the actual mindset they used to justify screwing over welfare recipients.

 No.1438997

>actual image of the sallies in action
>>1438960

 No.1439074

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>>1438997
i was actually referring to the sallies. the acp are my only hope

 No.1439082

>>1439074
Yup, I'm thinking anarchists are a better bet for action and sallies for… Idk structure?

 No.1439100

>>1439082
I might have some free time in the coming weeks where I'll be in the area, I should just literally ask what their deal is and what they've recently been involved in, give them the benefit of doubt before I keep talking smack about them here.
Their site says that apart from their electoral work (apparently worthless in their home state) and their news paper, they're "active in campaigns", and focus on "seek[ing] out opportunities to work with other parties and individuals and to regroup with other forces to advance the movement for social change".
I see this as being just support glue, structure, which can be valuable but isn't where I shine. I have skills and networking isn't one of them.
I'll probably end up just adding GreenLeft's nifty events page to my feed reader and wait for something meaningful to pop up.

 No.1439819

>>1439100
Fair call m8

 No.1439823

>>1439100
they've invited Kohei Saito in July, might be a good place to start:
https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/kohei-saito-speak-ecosocialism-2023

 No.1439837

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>>1439074
As a former associate of the ACP: don't

 No.1439842

>>1439837
story time

 No.1440418

>>1439837
tell us a damn tale ye bloody mariner

 No.1440557

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 No.1440722

>>1439823
ooooh that looks like it could be interesting…

 No.1440723

File: 1682064157989.png (Spoiler Image, 195.58 KB, 322x527, seriously though don't.png)

>>1439837
>don't

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 No.1442489

>>1442057
I can't believe I wasted an hour watching this.
>can't even pronounce Straya correctly
Typical Seppo.

 No.1442969

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Why tf are you Aussies so overrepresented in prison populations?

 No.1442972

>>1442969
>literally started as a prison colony
>surprised when the government treats its citizens as prisoners

 No.1443671

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>>1442969
is this some seppo talking shit about incarceration rates?

 No.1443685

>>1442969
It has a similar system to the US where it uses the prisoners as a labour force. It is actually really crazy how they have it down, basicly work-houses.

 No.1443692

>>1442972
>>1443685
>hi my name is leftypol
>and welcome to i cant read graphs

 No.1443700

>>1443692
I don't really care what your graph says anon i was just answering your question because you're to lazy to use a search engine, despite even the fact that aus has the highest percent of private prisons in the world, over double that of the USA, you should know already. no need to be a fucking prick.

 No.1443708

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>>1443700
>your
not mine
>anon
that's "comrade" to you, comrade
>i was just answering a joke
The problem is you took a joke seriously and you're still taking it seriously and getting angry about a joke in reply to that joke because you're too lazy or stubborn to open and read an image.
>despite even the fact that aus has the highest percent of private prisons in the world
Non-sequitur statistic.

And seeing as you're bitching about them being too lazy to check the answer to their joke claim, it's fair to bitch about you not doing it either and realizing Australia is about half way down the list at around #100 (USA is #6 btw).

>no need to be a fucking prick

Well, I really feel like I do, having read your hypocritical bitchy reply. We expect a higher level of shitposting here, comrade! Take 5 and come back when you find some humour.

 No.1443825

>>1443822
No wonder they're pivoting to VicSoc
>meanwhile Sallie literally dying of old age
>>1439837
WHERE'S THE STORY CUNT?

 No.1443837

>>1427008
I was one of the lads taking a photo with him, cool guy honestly and actually had a nice talk to him about socialism before the saltfags went autismo and proceeded to lolcow their organisation even further (its so great these guys are the face of the australian radical left)

The Saltie gangstalking was hilarious, this one retard was full stasi larping and really obviously following me and my mate around, doing his best to be "discrete" about it, we turned around and asked him what he was doing and he looks away going "uhhh ummm" and walks off. If they just didn't react like spergs Lewis wouldent have made a bit out of them, and the only content he woulda had was making fun of the half dozen proud boys there.

Atleast I got to steal some shit from their library, fun day.

 No.1444393

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Did you attend any Anzac Day commemorations this morning?

 No.1444472

>>1443837
Should have called them an Stalinist NKVD supporter.

 No.1444479

>>1444393
oh right that's why i didn't go to work today

no, and fuck all the troops since 1945, as well as many of the ones before then too

 No.1444817

>>1444393
Yeah, but I had to take a shit in the bush.

 No.1446949

fuck

 No.1446970

>>1444393
I usually do go
But this year I realised that the ceremony would feature a shit tone of obnoxious Ukraine worship and I was like "yeah nah fuck this"

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 No.1448269

File: 1682727682680.jpg (85.93 KB, 800x450, setka.jpg)

Is John Setka a Communist?

 No.1448287

Are Australians literal barbarians or something? I see so much racist shit from them it’s kinda shocking.

 No.1448291

>>1448287
They are reactoid colonizer scum.

 No.1449145

>>1448269
Only if you're a woman.

 No.1449170

>>1448269
no he's a reactionary croat that puts economics rather than politics in command

 No.1449172

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Alright lets hear it, what's your take on the Voice anons?

 No.1449188

>>1449172
I'm all for giving aboriginals a bigger say, but the bill is a bit too vague as of right now. I'm also sympathetic to the argument that it's being used in such a way that it would push abbos away from a more genuine form of self-determination.

 No.1449391

>>1449172
I'm vooting yes but not expecting much.

 No.1450471

>>1449172
No to express my disapproval for the ALP.

 No.1450529

Mappy Hay Day cunts

 No.1450554

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>>1450529
Lessgo

 No.1451340

>>1450529
Hell yeah comrade.

 No.1451341

>>1450471
>voting to own the labs

 No.1451359

lol there's a segment live on ABC news about cars ramming into shops with class windows in NT over the May Day long weekend.
Business Owners be cryin on tv

 No.1452507

>>1451359
>Business Owners be cryin on tv
bassed?

 No.1458242

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Hey look, we have domestic terrorism again!

 No.1458268

>>1458242
If this americanisation of politics is not welcome here then why are they allowed to do this Mr Daniel Andrews

I remember well the time I witnessed peacefully protesting climate activists get assaulted and pepper sprayed because they got in the way of you hobnobbing with mining interests over what was it a 10,000 $$ a pop dinner?

And I remember how quickly police banged the doors of lockdown protestors

If it has no place here then why don't you do something about it which we all know you can

Well?

 No.1458302

>>1458268
Dandrews is [fill the blank].

 No.1458543

File: 1683535426453.webm (6.65 MB, 1280x720, PaulKeeting.webm)

Did anyone see the press gallery and Paul Keeting on the three submarines we bought?
There are some very good moments from him, and he handled the off-topic questions a solid 8/10, especially the shitty second one here.

 No.1458680

>>1458543
keating rules man, just absolutely shitting on the sorry excuse for 'press' in this country. why is it every 'journalist' in this country is a complete coward establishmentarian, and really annoying about it? the last guy was literally trembling the moment he bought up the wiggers libshit like an anxious kid during assembly. zero steel or confidence. they must be giving out press licences to any wimp so long as they don't report on any atual issues until they have an opportunity to be a bunch of sharks when those with principles get in hot water.

 No.1458692

>>1458680
I hadn't seen him speaking before and assumed he was just another pollie, but we went to town on the press who deserved it and had mostly solid takes the whole way through. mfw the Sky News reporter comes up and he just gives her shit for being a sky reporter at the end. on ya paul.

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>>1458692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JcNlese0ig&themeRefresh=1
tt's a miracle that, after years of getting wrecked by keating on question time, australia decided howard would make a good prime minister.
in all seriousness (i'm being serious actually) though, despite the ALP not in fact being 'just as bad as the liberals' keating really wasn't that spectacular as pm. by virtue of not being a lib/country hack he was automatically better than 99% of them and could actually govern, but like all members of the labor right does little for me as a communist. as a character though he's pretty baller and i'd have him again just for the insults.

 No.1460981

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POOP IN THE POKIES

 No.1460987

>>1460981
POOP ON THE PORKIES

 No.1460990

>>1460987
PISS ON THE PIG

 No.1461002

https://www.youtube.com/live/Dmy0XQ7_-KE
There's national security laws on the books against this that the burgers forced on us to keep China out and here's a burgereich just openly admitting they do it and want to publicise it

Why not just keep up the pretence for the pwecious r00l of l4w? Hunh

SIX FIGURE SALARY MAYBE EVEN SEVEN FIGURE SALARY BURGEREICH VOLK PEEPS

They actually think they earn their salary I bet you

So anyway which presinut 2024 burgereich

The literal Nazi Pedo or The rapist Nazi

Take your bets

Polls are looking good for the rapist Nazi right now but I think the literal Nazi Pedo will clinch it even if there have to be how to vote signs inside voting booths in Blak neighboorhoods

 No.1461868

lol someone just got kicked out of the chamber. the house is just shitposting today and I was wondering how long until someone got booted.

 No.1461872

>>1461868
lol another one

 No.1461874

>>1461002
>every fascist i don't like is a nazi!
read a book you baby. stop pretending you need to call them both nazis to make them any more revolting.

 No.1461910

>>1461874
My apologies the literal Nazi Pedo vs the rapist fascist

 No.1462837

>>1461910
Thank you, now I can tell which is which!

 No.1463259

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Why does Australia hate welfare recipients so much?

 No.1463265

>>1463259
Crakkkeroid colonizer nation

 No.1463392

>>1463259
angloid mentality

 No.1463414


 No.1464243

>>1463414
I had no idea how bad it was. Zinoviev and no Marx??

 No.1464252

>>1464243
It's Trots, what do you expect?

Their article on the Collapse of the USSR is funnier though as in one section they are decrying the KPD and SPD not forming a united-front due to the COMINTERN's "ultra-left" third revolutionary period theory and then decrying the COMINTERN for forming united-fronts in other countries after the Nazi's came to power.

And there is pure nonsense like "Gorbachev's course toward reform was based on holding the Communist party together. ". Ol Gorby undermined the party with every move and was trying to turn himself from party general secretary into state president when Yeltsin stole a march.

 No.1464387

>>1464252
>It's Trots, what do you expect?
Isn't that SAlt?

 No.1464410

File: 1683982658384.jpg (51.72 KB, 640x640, Fv_9FHuaEAMW64N.jpg)

It's over.

 No.1464450

>>1464387
They are both Trot groups.

 No.1464471

File: 1683986779978.png (1.53 MB, 1200x853, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1464410
why is this guy sad?

 No.1464912

>>1464471
He's a neo-nazi ring leader and got pepper sprayed for trying to punch on with cops. He also got crumpled by a can of soup

 No.1464946

File: 1684021777297.png (203.66 KB, 474x579, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.1464948

>>1464243
>clicks first link
>"Video: Reading Marx's Capital with David Harvey — Vols 1 & 2"

?

 No.1464976

File: 1684023302840.jpg (883.18 KB, 2134x3000, Slash.jpg)

>>1464410
[7 news report]
>[after being protected ofc] "The nazis were given an ultimatum: remove their face coverings and leave the city, or stay and face arrest. They left, and later reported to police that tires on their cars had been slashed.
That's a promising sign that this is better than just throwing bottles and getting arrested. 6/10 - not bad, room for improvement. At least smash the windscreen or engrave a swastika on their cars to track them easily.

 No.1465052

File: 1684025719206.webm (4.42 MB, 1024x576, where's wally.webm)

Here is a valuable lesson on black bloc and why we do it.

Well, and also not throwing a bottle at an officer's head when you can throw it at a nazi instead and not get charged at.

 No.1465069

File: 1684026312662.webm (10 MB, 1920x1080, hat.webm)

based jew

 No.1465095

File: 1684027834538-0.png (368.28 KB, 841x875, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1684027834538-1.png (30.01 KB, 590x219, ClipboardImage.png)

Hmm, let's see how Sky News reported this. Surely literal neo-Nazis are a straight-forward dunk, right?

Alright let's start off by autoplaying a video about protesters saving our children from drag storytime.

Four (4) sentences in, let's talk about:
>Controversial media figure Avi Yemini who was reporting for his site Rebel News took to Twitter to say he was "attacked" in the protests.
>"Today I was violently attacked in Melbourne for doing my job," he said.
>"Not by the extremist Nazis. Instead, the people pretending to be there to counter them.
>"They attacked a Jew in the name of fighting Nazis. Let that sink in."

And then we'll embed this tweet. No idea what's going on with those flags btw.

Alright now we can provide a sentence on the "neo-Naxi protests" [sic] arrests and deploying pepper spray before we get to the police statements and a twitter post by an Australian Greens senator?

So uh woke anti-nazi anti-semites Antifa :DDDD

 No.1465122

If we happen to have any Melbournites here, this account has a bunch of face photos and car license plates, alongside some fun footage, so be sure to share them around:
https://nitter.net/aaronantifash12/media

>>1464410
>>1464912
Howzat!!

 No.1465135

File: 1684030471364.jpg (127.04 KB, 540x960, bonk.jpg)

>>1465095
oh and for those wondering about Yemini.

*bonk*

 No.1465142

>>1464946
SA was a merger of two Trot groups. They might be "non-sectarian" now but the Trotskyism is still in their theory papers on their site. SAlt is just the cultish Trots.

 No.1465246

>>1465135
Anyone got footage of Avi getting bonked?

 No.1465291

>>1465246
idk, He's posted a clip from his POV in a trailer vid but it's just a camera shaking when he gets bonked.

 No.1465359

>>1465142
>but the Trotskyism is still in their theory papers on their site.
I've met more MLs in the Sallies than Trots. Maybe that's just my area…

 No.1465365

>>1465359
Non-culty Trots just seem like non-sectarian Marxists unless you get them talking about certain topics.Most of academic Marxism is permeated by Trotskyist background radiation.

 No.1465376

>>1465359
The sallies had a brief alliance with sections of the CPA (new one not old one) at one point so it's not surprising but the Trotskyite trend seems to be the main one

 No.1466193

>>1465365
>>1465376
huh TIL
Oh well, not many culty ones in my local if they are there which is nice.

 No.1468027

One more bit of footage:
>THOMAS THE SNITCH ENGINE
I would have gone with Thomas Sewer, the guy full of shit.

 No.1470237

>>1429070
burner cuz

 No.1470247

>>1427281
Bad because it brings more labour into the workforce which increases competition, strenghtens the position of the bourgeoisie. Weakens the position of the proletariat. And it takes kids out of their otherwise free exeistence, basically socialized production in school/time off. Would be even worse if eventually the work is expected of them.

 No.1470253

>>1470247
<Now aged 14 and 13, both girls still work at the factory, which they credit with giving them real-world skills that would be otherwise hard to acquire.

🤣. Selling your own children into slavery

 No.1470257

>>1470253
>work at the factory, which they credit with giving them real-world skills that would be otherwise hard to acquire
I love my job creator! thank you for your generous gift boss!

 No.1471343

How the hell is it that news.com.au is the only mainstream news company doxxing nazis?
(Well, on behalf of White Rose Soc)
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/faces-of-hate-melbourne-nazi-salute-protesters-outed-as-part-of-disturbing-farright-group/news-story/d77f5733e39d2846303535d67b8b993b

 No.1471914

I happily crit the sallies, but wsws is an infantile disorder, at least this author is.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/05/13/mzif-m13.html
Australia: At Port Kembla protest, unions and pseudo-left set a nationalist trap for anti-war sentiment
>[…]
>Underscoring this provincial orientation, South Coast Labour Council (SCLC) secretary Arthur Rorris declared “They want to conscript our region into their war machine but we will not have a bar of it.”
>[…]
>The SCLC, a peak body representing unions on the New South Wales (NSW) south coast, organised the rally in collaboration with Wollongong Against War and Nukes (WAWAN), which is closely associated with the pseudo-left Socialist Alliance.

 No.1471990

>>1471914
There's a reason why the SEP is barred from pickets

 No.1472254

>>1471990
Are they actually?
Details please

 No.1472305

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-21/tea-most-popular-beverage-after-water/102260704
>Running low on silver to buy tea, the British agreed to trade opium for tea, triggering a Chinese public health crisis.
Agreed to?
Cringe
Expect better accuracy from a state broadcaster

 No.1472308

>>1472305
This is such a gross misinterpretation of the Opium Wars that it isn't even funny.

>The British Agreed to trade opium for tea

>Forced Opium to open up the Chinese Markets to the British
>Fought two wars against the Chinese to keep Opium from being banned, as it caused a health crisis in the Qing Empire.

I hate historic revisionism like this that makes me so pissed off as a historian.

 No.1472490

>>1472254
They take an ultra leftist position which rejects trade unions as economistic. Suffice to say, not many of the delegates nor members of any union are too keen to listen to a newspaper-wielding trot tell them to cease struggling against foul wages or engineered stone and to instead struggle for their own brand of socialism.

 No.1473611

The real Top Gun: US military in heated stand-off with China | 60 Minutes Australia

FEAR!!!! FEAAAARRRRR!!!!!!

 No.1473652

>>1473611
god only 20 seconds in and its absolute bullshit

i wasnt even alive in the cold war and I know that MAD was far more intense than a few fucking submarines and jets

 No.1473745

File: 1684731205760.jpg (136.41 KB, 1280x720, mpv-shot0037.jpg)

>>1473611
>the chain of islands crucial to maintaining democracy in the region
China is a one-party republic
Vietnam is a one-party republic
Laos is a one-party republic
Cambodia is a considered a dominant-party constitutional monarchy, "Cambodia has been described as a de facto one-party state."
Singapore is considered a dominant-pary republic.
Thailand is a constitutional monarchy, considered "semi-democratic", where you can be imprisoned for years or decades for criticizing the king.

Let's check out the Democracy Index yes, it's appropriate to cite lib surveys in this context for the rest of the region. "Flawed democracy" is 7.99 or less.
Taiwan - 8.99 - [suddenly boosted from 7.73 in 2019]
Japan - 8.33 [suddenly boosted from 7.99 in 2019]
South Korea - 8.03
Malaysia - 7.30
Philippines - 6.73
Indonesia - 6.71
Thailand is a 6.67 btw

not looking like there's much "democracy in the region"

 No.1473748

>>1473745
Considering the past it is a step up.

 No.1473750

>>1473748
So? What's your point?

 No.1473758

>>1473750
I am just saying, saying the absolute democracy in the region is low to mock the broadcaster miss the nuanced changes the region underwent.

 No.1474000

File: 1684751479489-0.png (175.45 KB, 622x577, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1684751479489-1.png (394.69 KB, 672x855, ClipboardImage.png)

Reminder that kyle magee is based
https://democraticmediaplease.net/

 No.1475269

>>1472490
Imagine shitting on unions while at an action.

 No.1475578

File: 1684847759451-0.png (353.11 KB, 463x398, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1684847759451-1.png (766.75 KB, 960x503, ClipboardImage.png)

The Salt trots are back in Sydney for August.
https://www.socialismsydney.com/about/

>closing panel is "Why you should be a socialist today"

Preaching to the choir, much? The conference is called Socialism.

There's also a Perth one this year.

 No.1475596

File: 1684848613546.jpg (214.56 KB, 1140x651, trotters.jpg)

>>1475578
Sallies in June

 No.1475598

>>1475596
June
July


fuck

 No.1475599

How the fuck do Trots put out so many events tho?

 No.1475600

>>1475599
The bourgeoisie pay for them

 No.1475608

>>1475600
[cite needed]
have you seen their ticket prices?

 No.1475645

>>1449172
Symbolic gesture, could do more harm than good, paternalistic police presence, romantic "de-colonialism" with no substance. No treaty, no vote. Stop siding with labor.

 No.1475650

>>1475608
Trotskyite conventions are held for profit

 No.1475669

>>1475650
Problem, Bordiga?

 No.1475732

File: 1684858477652.png (115.72 KB, 653x687, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.1476469

>>1475732
Comrade Sparrow isn't looking too healthy there…

 No.1476478

>>1475732
I'm going to throw out a hypothesis on why the literal Nazis failed to recruit all the suposed far right conspiracy theorists from the much neglected outer suburbs
It's because those so called far right conspiracy theorists aren't exactly that They're more a bunch of normies and conspiracy theories are normal in this current world because conspiracy facts are common
Should have just thrown Pfeizer under the bus where it belonged and licenced the Chinese or Cuban vaccines now vaccine hesitancy is normal good job breaking it morons**

 No.1476479

>>1476478 (me)
Anyway what standing does the grognard have for calling out the black sun symbol without apologising for studiously ignoring it being all over the Ukrainian army and paramilitaries

 No.1476520

>why do you hate us?
>61 comments explaining why

can SAlt go ten minutes without embarrassing themselves

 No.1476523

>>1476520
>My biggest issue is that you manipulate people and are dishonest about your intentions and operating model.
>You approach people at rallies who are new to politics and start what is made to seem like a genuine personal conversation. You don't tell them that this is a planned tactic to recruit them to your political party. If that's your intention, you should say that upfront when you approach people at rallies. It is unethical not to do so. Stop pretending that you personally care about somebody when you actually have an undisclosed ulterior motive, like some kind of Marxist fuckboy.
>You create front groups and use other methods to obfuscate your involvement in campaigns. You hold public meetings and other forums that are made to appear as though ordinary attendees have real decision making power, even though the meetings are designed so that the outcomes are controlled by Socialist Alternative. Instead, you should make clear that suggestions that don't align with Socialist Alternative are not going to pass at these meetings, when this is the case. All campaigns that Socialist Alternative has a controlling amount of influence in (CARF, VicSocs, USCJ, various stupol tickets, et cetera) should disclose that in all promotional material, such as by putting a SAlt logo on posters and flyers and such.
My second problem is your lack of solidarity, in that you never support any cause outside your Party except as a means to promote the Party.
>You have been told year after year that you are not welcome to promote your Party or sell newspapers and merchandise at Invasion day rallies. Every year you do it anyway, and you don't even give a cut back to Pay the Rent. This is Aboriginal land, but clearly you don't respect that one bit, since you're not willing to honour their space even one day a year. Instead, you should show up to Invasion Day events and leave your fucking newspapers and merchandise at home. Don't promote your Party at these events, just support the Aboriginal struggle as the Aboriginal organisers have asked.
>When you organise counter protests against the far right, such as Posie Parker, NSN and others, you prioritise whatever will bolster your party the most, instead of what will most effectively disrupt that event. I understand your ideology opposes direct action and instead proposes that the resistance to the far right should be by building a single socialist Party and taking power through revolution. The problem is that many people who participate in CARF do actually want to take direct action against the far right and value that more than they value your Party. CARF rallies are organised in a way that divert people away from the direct action that many would rather participate in. Honestly, I think it's pretty disgusting that when the far right are going after trans people and people of colour, your mostly white and cis party sees it as a recruitment opportunity before anything else. That's fucked up. Instead, you should make it clear to participants that the objective of your rally is to build power for your party, not to take direct action against the far right threat, so that they at least have the opportunity to try and join or organise another response that is more aligned with their goals. Better yet, you could just deprioritise your fucking Party for just a moment and support other groups' efforts to disrupt far right organising.
>Bonus third complaint - You actively disrupt organising by other groups. Back in the heyday of Extinction Rebellion, your party decided that it would infiltrate XR, take it over and shut it down. Fortunately, you only managed to do this to a few groups on universities. As much as Extinction Rebellion has its many problems, people should be able to do left wing organising independent of your Party without having to constantly worry about whether SAlt is going to fuck with it. Instead, if you have suggestions for how another group should organise, you should contact them, making sure to let them know that you're from Socialist Alternative, share your experience, and let them decide whether or not they want to take it on board.
Running stalls is good. Approaching people to recruit them is fine, depending on how you do it. >Recruiting students is good.
>It's not so much jealousy that you're the biggest group but frustrating that the most prominent org on the left is so awfully behaved. When people's only experience of "socialism" is being lied to and harassed by SAlt, they associate the entire left with that bad experience. That's exacerbated by the way that SAlt encourage people to believe that socialism and Socialist Alternative are synonymous.
>Your ideology also does suck, but that's forgivable except maybe that it's the motivator for all the dodgy shit listed above. I'm totally for left unity and I wouldn't hate a group just because they're the wrong kind of socialist.

Anon went for the throat

 No.1476760

>>1476469
You may not like it, but this is what peak punk looks like.

 No.1476802

File: 1684940103821.jpg (43.36 KB, 500x384, red scum.jpg)

>>1476520
I didn't even know there were that many people in the subreddit.

I've seen the SAlt question asked before but they've outdone themselves this time. Bravo.

 No.1476861


 No.1477513

>>1476523
holy fuck I had no idea they ran so many front groups.
Damn, I've even donated and helped out with some. I'll have to reconsider…

 No.1477628

>>1476861
this is something apparently a lot of parties across the world do. wish I could go but am abroad rn

 No.1478394

I notice that MWM is in the OP but not Independent Australia? Why is that? In my experience they're pretty similar sources and I think IA would be a far better fit than Crikey.

 No.1478512

>>1477628
I wish I could too, but I'm too old (26)

 No.1478681

A Socialist Alternative recruiter worked out today.
Did you?

 No.1478683

>>1478512
I mean, you're officially not too old for the event.
>Eligibility: Full or probational members of the CPA aged 18-29.

 No.1478697

>>1476523
>Back in the heyday of Extinction Rebellion, your party decided that it would infiltrate XR, take it over and shut it down
I mean…

 No.1478711

>>1478697
bringe or cased
Not sure which

 No.1478734

>>1478697
wymbt?

 No.1478738

>>1478697
XR did nothing wrong

 No.1478740

>>1478394
What's wrong with Crikey?

 No.1478773

File: 1685094182250.png (175.4 KB, 474x478, ClipboardImage.png)

>South Australians protesting against protest laws
But seriously, fuck those laws.

 No.1479658

>>1478681
lmao no they didn't

 No.1479662

>>1478740
Not that anon but Independent Australia is based
https://independentaustralia.net/
Vol plox add to OP?

 No.1479716

>>1479658
Yeah they did.
At the library.

 No.1479997

Inside the dangerous world of cocaine dealing in Australia | Four Corners

this true? are australian porkies on cocaine?

 No.1480021

>>1479997
Yeah
Why do you think the drug tests the coppers use don't detect it

 No.1480022

>>1480021 (me)
It's a simple manufacturers setting to turn detection on I think

 No.1480127

So anyway m8s I think it is time for common sense and not tieing our horses to the sinking septic ship
https://youtu.be/nP_o-Hk8KmM

 No.1480346

File: 1685245934488.gif (24.59 KB, 88x31, button.gif)

Is voting against the "voice to Parliament" no different than voting against free speech?

 No.1483183

>>1480346
i dont even understand why you would type that out. it makes no sense.

 No.1483199

File: 1685455791075.webm (2.57 MB, 640x480, accidental_death.webm)

>>1479997
>I've personally seen judges take it with a glass of single malt
>it's probably just hairspray and panadol anyway
keep it trashy, pork

 No.1484069

https://www.youtube.com/live/cKgEo73CTvY
Indonesian foreign policy think tank live now having a yarn about Albo

 No.1486671

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 No.1487887

File: 1685854790508.png (2.13 MB, 1128x1062, ClipboardImage.png)

"Spotted in Melbourne"

 No.1488181


 No.1488188

>>1483199
>Accidental Death of an Anarchist
Certified /leftypol/ mandatory watching list.
Somebody post Allende clip plz. new harddrive.

 No.1490279

>>1488181
How does anyone still fucking believe in the "hard work" when it's so poorly defined? What does "hardness" even mean?

 No.1490590

>>1490279
because they look at people who are on their phone or just half-assing work and think that their extra effort makes them better and deserving of more money, rather than dumber

 No.1490919

File: 1686070963374.png (2.26 MB, 2048x1366, a87w0m0s894b1.png)

they got that chinlet rizz fr

 No.1490923

>>1490279
>What does "hardness" even mean?
Imagine living under Benito ᴉuᴉlossnW's rule. Imagined?

Now multiply it by 10.

 No.1490926

>>1488181
>Supported by: Australian Retailers Association
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

 No.1492498

File: 1686204224863.png (450.85 KB, 729x865, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1488181
the unions already do a terrific job themselves

 No.1492535

File: 1686206150730.png (24.42 KB, 676x185, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1490919
Why the fuck is news.com.au the only one putting out hits recently?

Even socialist zines can't compete.

 No.1492543

File: 1686206908828-0.png (14.96 KB, 710x112, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1686206908828-1.png (761.16 KB, 768x1024, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1492535 [cunt'd]
haha you can't make this shit up

 No.1492560

File: 1686208829686.png (25.34 KB, 617x198, ClipboardImage.png)

Does anyone know what this was in relation to?

 No.1492659

>>1492498
Unions wouldn't exist without capitalism. If you think unions want to get rid of capitalism, you are delusional.

 No.1492735

>>1492659
That's like saying nobody could ever possibly want to murder their own parents. And yet it happens.

 No.1494671

>>1492735
Not at all. Unions in Australia are grifters that pretend they are helping the poor when they are just making lawyers rich.

 No.1495373

File: 1686439691206.png (15.5 KB, 543x110, ClipboardImage.png)

lol

 No.1495434

File: 1686442960318-0.png (755.35 KB, 896x808, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1686442960318-1.png (78.07 KB, 1089x882, ClipboardImage.png)

>m-muh both sides!
<yeah nah get fucked cunt

 No.1495467

>>1495434
Honestly makes me optimistic that people aren't buying the "communism is equally bad" meme.

 No.1495844

>>1495467
if you consider /r/australia to be representative of the general public, sure

 No.1498983

These guys publish a lot online. Do they do anything IRL?
https://cpaml.org/

 No.1499016

>>1498983
Short answer is no. They used to though.

 No.1499151

>>1495434
Australia is the only country on earth to have both Ustase and Chetnik memorials.

 No.1500103


 No.1500425

https://nitter.tiekoetter.com/SophieScamps/status/1669227000287092736
Dr Sophie Scamps MP is most definitely whats up

 No.1503607

Blockade Australia

 No.1503608

>>1499016
Arthritis is a bitch innit

 No.1503611

>>1498983
They could do with some young blood

 No.1503654

>>1503608
Revisionism, chauvinism, cult of the individual is/was endemic with CPA (ML). This crushed them into irelevancy more than any bodily illness.

 No.1504250

POST PREDICTIONS FOR THE 3 CANNABIS BILLS TODAY

 No.1504479

>>1503607
The based retards blocked the traffic again lol

 No.1504645

File: 1687270903922.jpg (63.17 KB, 420x420, aus.jpg)

>>1504250
The bills passing all three states.

 No.1507425

an ABC news reporter talking about the embassy just unironically said "this russian braves the harsh canberra winter"

is this person just not aware of where russia is?

>>1504645
noice

 No.1509893


 No.1509950

>>1509893
Numismatists on suicide watch.

 No.1510024

File: 1687607494232.mp4 (703.98 KB, 240x240, eIVstgOCehBr0ote.mp4)

https://www.reasoninrevolt.net.au/bib/PR0002022.htm

AUS THEORY TIME; TIME TO READ CUNTS

 No.1510027

>>1510024
If you don't know who Clarrie O'Shea is then you have no right to call yourself a Communist in Australia

 No.1513808

Hey just wanted some work advice. Should i be paid for public holidays if my contract (part time) doesn't say i work these specific days but rather says 32hrs a week?

Work's saying that I shouldn't get kings birthday pay cuz i didnt work then despite me working everyday but thursday (Kings Birthday fell on a Monday) every week.

 No.1514886

>>1513808
>getting legal advice on an imageboard
u wot

you got a union?

 No.1519515

Albo appealing to ZOG and fucking ISRAEL to support his "Voice".

 No.1520776

>>1421622
You need to go back to Reddit with that IDPOL

 No.1520779

File: 1688213145085.png (73.33 KB, 1198x389, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1519515
For the record the Melbourne Bund supports the Voice.
https://www.bundist.org/

 No.1520822

>>1520779
Do they support a Palestinian Voice in the parliament of Israel?

 No.1520831

>>1520822
They're bundists you fucking moron they are literally anti-zionists jesus fucking christ.

 No.1521083

File: 1688235546757.png (244.27 KB, 482x347, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.1521828

>>1520831
So do they support a Palestinian Voice in the parliament of Israel?

 No.1522064

>>1521828
Yes you fucking mong

 No.1522246

FEAR FEAR FEAR! AUSTRALIA WILL BE TAKEN BY GYNA!

 No.1522304

>ADF is running propaganda campaigns on tiktok
https://www.tiktok.com/@ffg_03/video/7245586442280242433

 No.1522400

>>1522304
>Life is short make someone else's shorter

lmao

 No.1522429

>>1522304
most honest Australian

 No.1522921

this is now an australian music thread

 No.1523950

File: 1688470226435.png (270.53 KB, 737x1000, rev.png)


 No.1523991

>>1523950
we could have fucking been a scandinavian socdem already…
>inb4 nooo 4/10 is worse than 1/10 !

 No.1524908

File: 1688563366769.png (18.64 KB, 90x128, dutton.png)

(dutton noises)

 No.1526718

>>1523991
>what can you bloody do

 No.1534705

It's Lowe-over.

 No.1536066

File: 1689393144303.jpg (14.59 KB, 192x128, snqqra.jpg)

are ya winning, Labor?

 No.1536618

Gun to your head, you must join either Greens or Labor. What shall you choose

 No.1536840

>>1536618
Greens.

When you put a gun to my head, you give a question that takes more than 0.5 seconds to think about. Like Greens or Socialist Alternative.

 No.1536842

>>1536840
Why greens?
I picked labor because there's a better chance of taking over the country with that one

 No.1536847

>>1536842
How do you plan to 'take over the country' by joining the government party? I can't imagine them shifting left, being more likely to just kick you and other radicals unless you roll a 20. At least a bigger Greens party could force negotiations leftward. Plus, the Greens have a (within the last twenty years) precedent of more radical factions, like NSW Greens's former Left Renewal.
And when you say join, do you mean as a regular member or are we assuming we become a sitting politician?

Of course, I know little of each party apart from their policies and how they vote, so don't take my word for it.

 No.1536887

File: 1689465390920-0.png (38.99 KB, 589x328, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1689465390920-1.png (2.92 MB, 1800x1113, ClipboardImage.png)

(19 days old)
CPA - Communist Youth Camp an inspiring success
https://cpa.org.au/guardian/issue-2058/communist-youth-camp/
(for proxy-blocked users) https://web.archive.org/web/20230629120814/https://cpa.org.au/guardian/issue-2058/communist-youth-camp/
>Skye, who attended the camp says the talk helped everyone learn more about youth activism.

>“It really showed how we have to approach youth activism from within communities rather than without,” they said.


>“We talk a lot about how we need to show that we come from the workers rather than preach to them, but we often fail that in practice, and nowhere more than when it comes to youth and social movements.


>“We educate ourselves on how to be communists in the workplace; we seldom dig through the literature that the speakers found on how to be communists in our community organisations, like sporting and arts clubs.”


>Christian, another attendee of the camp says it was a great experience and a success.


>“I thought the camp was encouraging, inspiring and refreshing,” he says. “It was clear that everyone who participated enjoyed it a lot, that many people learned a lot and got lots out of it, and that it is an important initiative that should be made into a regular event.”

I want to see what mainstream media or alt-right crap would whine about with this camp, just for kicks. Probably just something about groomin da kidz and gommie infidration

 No.1536902

>>1536847
Regular member and begin the cut throat climb to the top seems to be the best chance

I don't see any chance with the greens for any real effective change, you get the radicalism but the base is rich urban liberals and that shapes the end result any victories they get they get with or without me and then they hit their limits Gossip on the grapevine is that a lot of greens get mentored by older Liberal politicians of the wetter sort I see a small minuscule chance with labor of getting somewhere further

Presuming burgerland continues imploding apace

 No.1536991

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae_(1941)
Hey remember that time we reenacted 300 but with ANZACs and Wehrmacht, but kind of did the exact opposite of the Spartans?

Is the whole ANZAC experience in Europe just retreating?

 No.1536997

>>1536902
I just don't see how Labor is much different, hell I'm not even confident they're less urban or lib.

 No.1537006

>>1536997
Most of the activists and paid giggers are
The rank and file and base isn't at least not as much as the greens

That's the closest thing to leverage I can see within the bourgeois dictatorship

If burgerland really weakens there's a chance we could pull a Whitlam for real and proper this time

 No.1539321

Based Dictator Dan canceled the cringe Commonwealth games.

 No.1539386

>>1536887
Based.
>history and theory of socialist governance by Roland Boer, a CPA member who is an academic teaching Marxist philosophy at the School of Philosophy at Renmin University of China in Beijing.
Never heard of this guy, what's he famous for? Most "Marxist" academics in Australia are libs that LARP as lefitsts. His move to China was wise.

 No.1540377

>>1539386
Most notable book he's written is called "Red Theology." He wasn't Party of the CPA until he moved to China

 No.1540422

>>1540377
The book.

 No.1540450


 No.1541569

>>1540377
>He wasn't Party of the CPA until he moved to China
Why did he wait? Career suicide?

 No.1541630

>>1540377

I forgot to mention perhaps his most famous book - "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Foreigners Introduction"

>>1541569
He mentions it in this vid (towards the end), he was working with some CPC cadre and calling them "comrade," one member said "only when you are a party member, I can call you comrade."

 No.1543373

>>1536887
Why do ML's have absolutely zero drip

 No.1543592

>>1543373
Anon actually being a normie is the best way to organize normies.

 No.1543596

>>1543373
True.
They should be wearing hammer and sickle armbands and carrying frames of Mao Zedong.

 No.1543603

>>1543373
Here, at least, a bunch are autists, others spend their money on other stuff and the rest are more concerned with other things.

 No.1543632

>>1543592

Is that why they've organised a total of 13 people in the 21st century.

 No.1543635

File: 1689996316274.pdf (197.74 KB, 180x255, 82-Communist-Party-ban.pdf)

>>1543632
Suppression is pretty hard, union rules against communists although those have eased. A ban on members of communist organisations participating in the labor party.

At this point the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger and joined the CPA is because I have the connections and skill set to at least try and pull a Whitlam no I wouldn't be the Whitlam guy you egocentric retards reading that actually succeeds this time because the seppos are weakened and irrelevant enough.

What's your excuse? I know your tendency isn't doing any better.

 No.1545387

File: 1690154079608.png (278.13 KB, 623x1080, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1543373
Dripping is a capitalist delusion.
Real uyghas cold lamp in their trackies and a shitty sweater. Water from the hydrant, electricity from the street and clothes from your cousin, or the dumpster of a mall.

 No.1548010

>>1545387
just steal clothes from stores retard their is absolutely no reason to be going dumpster diving

 No.1548165

File: 1690377637169.jpg (134.37 KB, 2000x1000, CYBER DIVING.jpg)

>>1548010
>just steal clothes from stores retard their* is absolutely no reason to be [stealing clothes from the same store in bulk with 90% less risk]
oh ok

 No.1556370

>>1545387
does getting no pussy increase your revolutionary potential as well?

 No.1556374

File: 1690958452080.png (Spoiler Image, 342.29 KB, 933x706, laineysec.png)

>>1540450
Does this board realise how bad this esafety shit across the western world is and how little it's about protecting the chilluns? I feel like /pol/tards half understand but I've never seen any lefttard complain about the expansion of horrific open surveillance and turning the entire internet into a mega honeypot where it's administratively possible for cops to show up to ur door the second u talk shit

 No.1558177

>>1556374
>Does this board realise how bad this esafety shit across the western world is and how little it's about protecting the chilluns?
Life is to short to waste campaigning on such a ultimately meaningless issue and I only use TOR so i don't care.
It is not happening in america so the internet does not and will not care.

 No.1558181

>>1556374
>I've never seen any lefttard complain about the expansion of horrific open surveillance and turning the entire internet into a mega honeypot

Anon we say this all the time (what the fuck do you think the glowie meme is about), we just don't bother sperging about it because what the fuck are we gonna do about it

 No.1562391

File: 1691314541368.png (45.36 KB, 800x450, Graph_2.png)

Is anyone else seeing their (young) friends or family turn to more radical views of the world due to economic pressures?
>With the cost of living being so high and the price of houses feeling like it's never going to stop rising, is anyone in your life turning to views that were once considered "radical" only a few decades ago? E.G. Marxism, Communism, even Nihilism etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/15jgx46/is_anyone_else_seeing_their_young_friends_or/

 No.1562448

>>1556374
Most leftists are probably either old enough or intelligent enough to realise it is too late and society in general doesn't care. Assange is still in prison for publishing leaks.

What I did learn was that liberals were completely two faced about state surveillance. I was bought up with tales of how bad the STASI were for listening to peoples calls. Turns out automated computerised surveillance just isn't something liberals actually care about (unless China is doing it).

/pol/tards only care because they'll get vanned when they say the n-word.

 No.1564245

>>1562391
>87% upvoted (thousands)
>[removed]
>top comment and replies: [removed]
>fourth top comment and replies: [removed]
>fifth top comment and replies: [removed]
yep, reddit still garbage

 No.1564301

File: 1691493582737.mp4 (20.61 MB, 576x1024, 7264468013464767762.mp4)


 No.1564307

>>1564301
Damn I thought this was burgerpunk for a sec

 No.1565051

File: 1691592595021.png (1.26 KB, 120x24, ClipboardImage.png)

If you're bored and need a quick retard to laugh at:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/421958521/#421958521

 No.1571198

File: 1692186349427.png (24.36 KB, 606x358, 0.png)

:-/

 No.1571247

>>1571198
It was a good run.

 No.1572143

File: 1692260073960.png (511.68 KB, 942x881, ClipboardImage.png)

Dumb trots are hosting this is on tomorrow->sunday, anything of value?
>Tickets for the whole weekend begin at only $30 [implying ill pay anything more to SA]

>Each session is made up of a talk presented by activists with years of experience organising, reading and writing on the topic; and dedicated time for discussion from the floor. The discussion is a perfect opportunity to ask questions, contribute your thoughts and hear from other attendees. Participation is strongly encouraged, especially for those new to anti-capitalist ideas.

:0

 No.1572150

>>1572143
Go but dress like an undercover cop to give them the thrill of being a threat to capital.

 No.1573982

File: 1692427328730.png (364.75 KB, 612x620, image.png)

AUKUS will FAUKUS

 No.1574014

>>1573982
sadly it still passed by a large margin

 No.1575436

>>1572143
Did any youtubers show up this time and cause them to sperg out???

 No.1575534

File: 1692602114938-0.png (10.13 KB, 1024x682, 1692586993431-0.png)

West Papua is the western half of New Guinea, the world’s second-largest island. It lies 250 kilometres north of Australia and is one the thousands of South Pacific islands collectively known as ‘Melanesia’. West Papua is one of the most remarkable places on Earth. Its rainforest is second in size only to the Amazon, and contains species like the bird of paradise and the tree kangaroo. It is home to tribal people whose culture stretches back tens of thousands of years. The West Papuans live in 250 tribes, each with its own language and culture.

West Papua used to be part of the Dutch East Indies. After World War II, the Dutch Empire became the new nation of Indonesia. But the Dutch argued that West Papua had never been part of Indonesia and had an entirely different culture and history. West Papua declared independence on 1st December 1961 - but the Indonesian army invaded three months later. Although the international community intervened, Western governments, led by the USA, chose to appease Indonesia and accept its occupation rather than risk a political crisis that might encourage the spread of communism in South East Asia. In 1969, the UN presided over a referendum on independence that was clearly a sham. The Indonesian occupiers announced that the Papuans were too ‘backward’ to cope with democracy, and 1026 ‘representative’ Papuans were rounded up and forced at gunpoint to vote to join Indonesia. This was called, ironically, the 'Act of Free Choice’.

Since its annexation the people of West Papua have suffered constant misery. Over 500,000 people have died as a direct result of the Indonesian occupation. Much of their land has been taken by the state and given to national and multinational companies for mining, logging or oil extraction. Non-violent dissent has been criminalised: anyone who calls for independence, raises the Papuan flag or publicly questions the legitimacy of Indonesian rule can be imprisoned. Tens of thousands of Indonesian soldiers are stationed in West Papua, and regularly torture, rape and murder Papuan leaders, activists and civilians.

West Papua is a closed society. All foreign journalists are banned. Human rights groups, lawyers, foreign politicians and even tourists are either banned from entering Papua or restricted to small areas where they are closely monitored by the police. As a result, the world hears little about the horror that goes on there day after day.

The Papuans have been denied one of the fundamental rights in the UN International Charter of Human Rights - ‘self-determination’, the right to choose their own government and national status. Every representative Papuan organisation is now calling for a re-run of the 1969 ‘Act of Free Choice’ – this time as a genuine referendum on independence, in which all Papuans get the chance to vote.

Papuans brave enough to call for independence put their lives at risk. Independence leaders are arrested, tortured and murdered. Even demonstrating peacefully can be fatal. The Papuans need outside help and international support if they are to succeed in their struggle for ‘Merdeka’ – freedom.

https://www.freewestpapua.org/

 No.1580756

>>1575534
>Merdeka’ – freedom
Which is an Indonesian word.

 No.1580784

>>1580756
its also papuan malay which is the lingua franca of the coastal regions of west papua and a creole hybrid language formed during contact

 No.1583683

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File: 1693268647431-1.png (17.59 KB, 673x130, ClipboardImage.png)

Woman in the political centre of the country confirmed to have brainworms

:0

 No.1583935

>>1583683
Brain be composting.

 No.1586910

Yes or no because fuck Albo?

 No.1586915


 No.1587004


 No.1587006

maybe

 No.1587363

File: 1693614651934.png (76.94 KB, 1000x900, 0.png)

Campaign win: Australian government will not force sites to implement age verification
https://digitalrightswatch.org.au/2023/08/31/campaign-win-against-age-verification/

 No.1587434

>>1586910
Nothing, leave it blank

 No.1587465

>>1587434
that invalidates the vote btw, there is no 'third option' kek, but it does count to fulfilling 'compulsory voting'

 No.1587470

>>1587465
If you are planning to invalid, write an X and then hope that there is drama over the X issue

 No.1587562

>>1586910
pay the fine for not vooting

 No.1587615

ACP or CPA(ML)?

 No.1587623

>>1587615
>CPA(ML)
you mean the maoist one?

 No.1588018

CPAC highlights, with commentary (Tom Tanuki)

 No.1588026

>>1587615
Make up your own damn mind

 No.1588110

>>1588026
I was hoping anons had thoughts about them as it is hard to find much solid info. I'm just trying to find a party that is not culty and actually does things.

 No.1588519

>>1588110
There's a bit of info online, I would start by reading the programmes of both parties. The CPA (ML) has a bit of history to it so there's a bit more information on it. Depending where you are, the ACP is pretty easy to get contact with if you just go to one of their street kitchens.

 No.1588811

>>1588519
I've read the programmes on their web sites but it is hard to get a feel for the orgs. There has been a little on reddit but most seems to be on Twitter and searching that is dog shit as 80% of the results are reactionaries screeching that Albo is a commie.

 No.1589151

>>1588811
just get in touch and talk to some members

 No.1589516

File: 1693921296340-0.webm (11.43 MB, 853x480, david_shoebridge.webm)

File: 1693921296340-1.webm (11.4 MB, 640x480, monique_ryan.webm)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-05/federal-politicians-visit-washington-urge-release-julian-assange/102814298

>A multi-party delegation of federal MPs and senators will travel to Washington DC this month as part of the campaign to release WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.


I am glad to see that David Shoebridge and Monique Ryan will be a part of the delegation. webms related.

 No.1591043

>>1586910
you wouldn't vote Yes after seeing this?

 No.1591775

File: 1694137797220.png (37.67 KB, 835x494, yes.png)

>>1586910
yes
t. 18-29

 No.1592022


 No.1593197

File: 1694239792125.jpg (122.87 KB, 909x604, chud.jpg)

>Kellerberrin shooter was wearing a swastika armband and had a Nazi flag
>member of the local pistol club

What the fuck is wrong with rural Australia?

https://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/cops-descend-on-wa-country-town-gunman-at-large-after-shooting/news-story/d019403bc8eed073e5d9f1a53da00ee0

 No.1593205

>>1586910
No because it's racist. It's brainworms that make so-called leftists think introducing more racism is a good idea.

 No.1593238

>>1593197
>It has also emerged he was a member of the local pistol club and had won shooting awards.
>Bowles then fled, shooting at a car […] the driver was unharmed.
>At least one police car was shot at during the incident
I guess it's not too hard to win a shooting award in aus.

 No.1594527

File: 1694379679570.png (616.6 KB, 620x620, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1594519

 No.1594942

>>1594519
firebombed hazard reduction

 No.1594944

>>1594519
I haven't watched that video because it seems like such clickbait, I can hardly believe that some YT multimillionaire poseur is really that much of a threat to the system

 No.1594958

How Wikileaks footage unravelled journo Dean Yates' life | Australian Story
Shared September 11, 2023

 No.1594961

>>1594944
His house really was burnt down.

 No.1594962

>>1594961
how did he even get doxxed in the first place?

 No.1594964

>>1594962
Thought it was public due to an offensive Italian stereotype suing him.

Anyway as long as you know the the rough location someone lives you can just spend your time pawing through the relevant electoral roll until you find their address. Or hire a PI. Or have dodgy friends with access to government digital databases.

 No.1595134

>>1594962
He isn’t exactly a private and anonymous figure.

 No.1600095

File: 1694951150192-0.png (368.8 KB, 612x445, yes23.png)

File: 1694951150192-1.jpeg (476.79 KB, 2042x1357, walk-for-yes.jpeg)

Has the No campaign support been overestimated?

 No.1600430

>>1600095
>has the conservative position been exaggerated by conservative media
i dont care
probably
whatever

 No.1600947

Good on ya sharps

 No.1600957

>>1600095
That is fuck all people. Just look at all the cookers have anti-vax/lockdown rallies during COVID. They were a tiny minority.

 No.1600964

>>1600095
There is no 'no' campaign. The yes campaign needs to convince us to change. Until the yes campaign tells us what they want to do, apart from adding some vague shit in the constitution, there is no 'no' campaign.

 No.1600969

>>1600095
Polls suggest No is winning.

 No.1602088

>>1600947
Good video

 No.1602094

>>1600947
I'm having trouble watching the vid, can you reupload via webm/mp4 ITT?

 No.1602097


 No.1602101

>>1602097
NTC, cheers mate.
Channel 7 had even worse coverage than 9, who were casual as fuck about it but at least mentioned they were neo-nazis. And that the antifascists were armed………………………………………………

 No.1602227

File: 1695135202663.png (1.09 MB, 1200x630, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1602097
>with metal rods
<so you're an 'christian' now fasco? A rod to the back of fools!
Based.

 No.1606411

Extremely critical support for vic police

 No.1606793

File: 1695563395687.webm (3.45 MB, 854x480, output.webm)


 No.1607067

>>1600957
Lol faggot

 No.1607687

If you aren't white you are not Australian

 No.1607711

File: 1695618649458.jpg (179.91 KB, 1080x1219, image.jpg)

Sucked in faggots

 No.1607800

>>1607687
define white

 No.1608225

>>1607687 no lol
>>1607711 who cares lol

 No.1608321

File: 1695685562764-0.png (4.41 MB, 2048x1365, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1695685562764-1.png (191.35 KB, 312x342, ClipboardImage.png)

euro people:
>go away nazis, we don't want you here! you're not welcome
afro person:
>die.

 No.1608327

>>1608321
>phone out
sign aside, that is the dumbest person at the protest.
What a fucking pig.. just leave it at home you actual simpletons you're getting every one nicked with your unchecked ego.

 No.1609270

File: 1695764545181.png (568.12 KB, 598x634, mfw.png)

>>1608327
Why are you always bursting into threads angry? Take a minute, comrade.
This is a public community protest against neo-nazis, nothing controversial or anti-state. The protest organizers themselves are taking photos (you know, the ones posted). No-one is throwing cans of soup, no-one is hiding their identity, no-one is getting nicked. The whole point is publicity, and that makes cameras not only ok from an operational security perspective, but actively aiding the protest.

 No.1610899

https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2023/govt-kicks-privacy-act-can-down-the-road.html
>Of the 116 recommendations in the final report, the federal government has agreed with 38, agreed in-principle with 68, and noted 10.

 No.1610957


 No.1610984

>>1609270
<if t hey swear at me and call me an idiot it must mean they are angry
American. lol. That is how normal people speak, unlike in america if you are an idiot and do retard and dangerous things people will call you one.
>This is a public community protest against neo-nazis, nothing controversial or anti-state.
> No-one is throwing cans of soup, no-one is hiding their identity, no-one is getting nicked.
Imagine thinking the pigs care.
Look. Unless you are a child we both know out of shot will be police teams combing through, collecting these pictures, identifying the participates and using that to index, spy and harass them.
Stop pretending so naive anon we are both old enough to have gone through this many times and see how the reality unfolds. The state does not care if you were doing violence or not, the state cares that you are politically engaged.

 No.1611043

File: 1695926349442.mp4 (5.04 MB, 576x1024, Download.mp4)

Damn the No campaign parties go hard

 No.1613204

>>1610984
That's not how normal people speak, comrade. That's how /pol/tards speak. Being constantly aggressive in every thread is not healthy.
>American
Which thread do you think we're in mate?

>Look. Unless you are a child we both know out of shot will be police teams combing through, collecting these pictures[blah blah blah forensics]

Look. Unless you are a teen we both know police and/or feds will be taking their own photos, flying surveillance drones, deploying StingRays, using the photos the protest hosts uploaded,, etc. etc. etc. at a publicly advertised protest. There is literally nothing secret about that event or its participants. Anyone who wishes to keep their activism a secret won't be there, or has already failed. A person taking photos on their phone doesn't give them any new information. It's therefore harmless in context, like spitting into a trashcan.
Yes, there definitely are protests where it's actively horrible to take photos at. A non-violent mass community protest saying something as non-controversial as 'fuck off nazis' is not it. Everyone should be taking photos in that one.

If you don't agree, give us a counter-example of how a participant taking a photo/video like that would be useful to police, who already have all the other surveillance methods at their disposal.

>the state cares that you are politically engaged

The state cares if you are threatening the state.
Even the state itself thinks (and that's all that really matters!) they're anti-nazi. It might as well be a 'pedophiles fuck off' protest, it's normal to reject nazis.

 No.1613388

>>1608327
if your operations security model relies on every person in a public mass protest leaving their phone at home, you're already fucked

 No.1616431

RAFFWU are finally getting traction. They're organising a Coles/Woolworths strike this weekend. https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/woolworths-coles-employee-strike/

How can we get jobs at the Coles and Woolworths with RAFFWU strikers? We can make the next strike big if we can get leftists jobs at RAFFWU hotspots. If you happen to work in these places, please try and get leftists jobs there.

 No.1617428

>>1591043
I prefer this one

 No.1618102

File: 1696657004278.png (46.56 KB, 750x600, very clear diagram.png)

ok i think i figured out the reasons

jfc my uncle is going to ask at the dinner table tonight how everyone's voting and blame it on the Democrats… yes, that's not a typo, the US Democratic Party

 No.1618469

File: 1696677673983-0.png (168.46 KB, 600x593, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1696677673983-1.png (71.39 KB, 449x184, ClipboardImage.png)

Did someone say 'nazi infighting'?
I'm pretty sure I heard someone say 'nazi infighting'.

 No.1620386

>>1618469
Let them fight

Alt Media Watch - Groomerwaffen SS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKkmzXqYTcU

 No.1625028

I was thinking about the gay marriage referendum and I realised an obvious truism
Most people knew a gay person or someone they thought was gay
It was easy to empathise with them and understand why they should vote yes
Meanwhile I do not know a single aboriginal and I've never even met one before
I don't really know what this means to aboriginals and so why should I care?
Did the government have ABC stories about aboriginal lives on their main channel? Did they have people talking about what the voice would mean to them?
It seems to me that aboriginals are so distant from most Australian lives that the referendum is unsuitable for this kind of issue
My dad didn't care about gay marriage but now he's ranting constantly about aboriginals taking away land and forcing him to pay to use beaches
Why should he bother doing his own research?

 No.1625034

>groomerwaffen
the what now??

 No.1625085

>>1625028
I know two aboriginals and they both say to vote no cuz "Fuck that, it's assimilation. Treaty first."

 No.1625245

>>1625085
I saw posters in my city from Black People's Union calling for a no vote.
It's one of those shitty questions where there are so many reasons to vote each way, such that only an insane person would try to extrapolate any attitudes from the result.

 No.1625247

File: 1696914280402.png (3.83 MB, 1920x1080, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1625028
The Voice is a stupid name.

 No.1625273

>>1611043
one too many disco biscuits back in the day

 No.1625316

>>1625085
Gay marriage was also assimilation. Completely pointless.

 No.1625497

>>1625316
Gays do not constitute a nation, retard. Comparing the two referendums is a braindead take.

 No.1625501

>>1475608
the founder of SEP and WSWS is literally a haute bourgeois

 No.1625506

>>1625085
I don't see how it would exclude a treaty in the future

 No.1625809

>>1625506
That's the point though, it is a marginal, symbolic effort put forth by the Labor party. It's basically a nation wide vote on whether we have to do the acknowledgement of country. We all know it doesn't fucking do anything and it's a total virtue signal. Furthermore, it comes complete with grog bans, more paternalistic social workers and police in your indigenous community because we McCare (tm).

 No.1627306

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Poll is by a group that does it for Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.

Interesting note:
>20% no from Greens, 25% from 'progressive voters' (by far the most Yes of the demographics)
>59% no from 'I have a friend who is Indigenous'

 No.1627320

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>first referendum in 20 years
>its fucking nothing
well, at least it's not 'should we ban communists' again

 No.1627611

>>1627306
I called this when it was first announced. Modern "progressive" activists are just completely fucking shit at doing actual politics in real life. They didn't get enough support in the Indigenous community before pushing this, and have been completely flat-footed in response to the very obvious lines of attack from the No camp.

Anti-vax cookers are better organisers.

 No.1627678

>>1627306
>poling or allowing anyone but the actual natives to vote on this
fucking aus. this is cringe.

 No.1627809

>>1627320
I thought gay marriage was a referendum

 No.1628698

>>1627809
NOPE! It was a national survey, non-compulsory and non-binding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Marriage_Law_Postal_Survey

 No.1629397

>>1627809
Gay marriage was easy to understand. Do we allow gays to marry?

This voice shit is so vague nobody can explain it. If it passes, Albo will just pick people that agree with him to sit on the Voice.

 No.1629437

>>1629397
it's a long term tactical move, like the anti corruption commissions that keep taking out libtard white collar criminals. labor gets an independant body that will hand regular red cards to the liberal government next time the corporate media hands the libs a decade in office and the ABC immediately forgets labor exists.

>>1627611
doesn't help that that cooker lidia thorpe walked the greens voters into a "progressive" no and the green party refuses to counter-signal her because they exist solely for fake nimby activism and to block labor from making policy.

 No.1631024

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NZ election tomorrow.
Hoping the Greens and Labour form parliament. idk.

 No.1631028

>>1629437
>doesn't help that that chef lidia thorpe walked the greens voters into a "progressive" no
There is literally nothing wrong with this, if true.

 No.1631069

>>1631028
it plays well to radicals but blocking a representative body to appeal to the sovcit pseudolegal conspirtard babble about the un and the constitution that's endemic on facebook isn't putting housing, schools, electricity, and broadband into remote communities. successfully blocking the referendum will energise the worst people you know, and set race relations back for decades. the truth is the "progressive" no is really an accelerationist no, but only accelerates the process of marginalising the most marginalised people in australia through dispossession for mining interests and racist interventions by law enforcement.

 No.1631099

>>1631069
You're jumping through hoops to defend business as usual parliamentarism. To pretend that "the left" in this country can intervene on this issue is living in a fantasy land. No treaty, no vote.

 No.1631148

>>1631099
if you live on wurundjeri or bunerong land they're both calling for people to vote yes. people that think a treaty will show up if the referendum tanks are living in la-la land. lidia thorpe can get a commentator role on sky if her no campaigning accidentally succeeds. I don't know what the other "progressive" no campaigners have for an exit strategy.

 No.1631376

>>1631069
>and set race relations back for decades
Accepting worthless bargaining sure will. Send then back until they give us something of value.
I'm not even set on holding out for a treaty or anything, just something that isn't worthless.
>the truth is the "progressive" no is really an accelerationist no
Not really, and I would be glad to admit if it was by the way.
It's a 'actually give us something we want or we'll fuckin do it again' no. Only a cuckold would accept a voice with no power.
>lidia thorpe can get a commentator role on sky if her no campaigning accidentally succeeds
are you deranged or just pretending to be?

 No.1631469

>>1631376
> actually give us something we want
you don't want basic federal representation for land councils? are you fucked in the head? what checks and balances do we have against the coal and gas industry? fucking none. what do we have against precious metal mines that the americans are going to want for integrated circuits and nukes? I don't think AUKUS gives us a choice.
>or we'll fuckin do it again
do what? honestly what? the activism is as invisible as the news is shocking. anything would be a good thing as long as it starts faster than all the fucking mining deals (and worse) we're locked in for.

 No.1631538

omg, tomorrow we will find out who wins the Voice!

 No.1631610

Guys I'm a fence sitter, what are you guys voting AND WHY?

 No.1631781

bumpo

 No.1631793

>>1417500
I'm not aus but I don't understand why people would not vote Yes for this thing, minimal reform is better than no reform, opposing it just because it's not exactly what you want is dumb

 No.1632616

>>1631610
>>1631793
All of the porkies and celebrities are telling you to vote Yes. Do you really want to be on porky's side?

 No.1632713

>>1631793
the far right ran a campaign of "if you don't know vote no" which dovetailed with a far right conspiracist misinfo campaign on social media and a far left movement based on spreading misinfo about the legal implications spearheaded by a former greens senator who somehow managed to be too much of a narcissistic cunt for the greens. this made the greens disavow the voice despite it being their own policy since around 2011 (but they also just block labor and refuse to campaign for shits and gigs). there's also no confidence in indigenous land councils because aboriginal politics are based on consensus so the black radicals and uncle merv the natural living man both get to claim that representative bodies don't represent the community under tribal law. the lefty pinko ABC is actually stacked with liberal party wets who say that labor is doing it wrong and then refuse to elaborate. this all opens a wide margin for middle Australia to give in to prejudice with a clean conscience.

there's been an informal tent embassy outside federal parliament as long as I've been alive and the inaction is a national embarrassment. there is no noble reason to play obstructionist politics around letting them in the building, just self defeating cynicism.

>>1632616
not being able to comment with substance is the reason the left in this country is a joke.

 No.1632804

I voted Yes but not because I really care about the Aboriginals

 No.1632826

What is the result? is The Voice finally going to be banned? not aus, sorry.

 No.1632939

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vote yes and touch grass

 No.1632948

>>1632713
I understand why conservatives are voting no but I can't understand why any supposed liberal or left winger is.

 No.1632965

>>1632948
you need to stop thinking rationally and understand the political machine: "lefty" groups make space for their messaging by obstructionist tactics. they block progress and lie on corporate channels that are desperate to hit Labor in the youth vote. they pulled this shit after the 2007 election and delayed action on climate change by a decade and a half.

 No.1632999

>>1632939

It's a good start. After that we need a Voice for rural Australians, a Voice for recent immigrants, a Voice for older Australians, etc.

 No.1633035

>>1632826
It will be canceled and be replaced with Australian Idol

 No.1633111


 No.1633147

>>1632999
>Voice for rural Australians
National Party

>a Voice for recent immigrants

Greens

>a Voice for older Australians

Liberal Party

 No.1633191

Voted no. Sorry everyone, Labor deserves to be punished for pushing a soft liberal, confused campaign that offers no tangible material benefit for Indigenous people. Everyone is revealing their hidden parliamentarism by supporting Labor at this economic juncture and for their hypocrisy by pushing this campaign while refusing to condemn Israel. Call me "accelerationist" I don't give a fuck.

 No.1633215

>>1633191
What a hero, I'm sure the indigenous will thank you for ensuring they don't get the slightest representation

 No.1633235

>>1633215
>"representation"
Yep, parliamentarism on display. There is merely formal representation. It is false, you are a state-capitalist in draping yourself in radical clothes. This effort will be soundly defeated and Labor completely embarrassed. Which means people will again turn to towards the economic conditions.

 No.1633236

>>1633215
They have Jacinta Price and Lidia Thorpe already

 No.1633238

>>1633235
>the left is at its strongest when left wing efforts are constantly defeated

dale

 No.1633240

>>1633238
>Left-wing efforts!
I'm not a social democrat.

 No.1633241

>>1633238
>>1633238
It was an LNP idea in the beginning

 No.1633310


 No.1633317

>>1633191
I voted no not to "punish labor" but because the voice will be another apparatus of preventative counter-revolution. It will be the UN for Indigenous people, a step backwards which would only complicate and act as a outlet in the place of true revolutionary and sovereign struggle

 No.1633321

>>1631469
Coal and gas and metal mines are based. The problem isn't that such things exist but that they're not socialist coal and metal mines with socialist workers producing for a socialist society. Anything else is cringe defrowth Malthusian capitalist environmentalist satanism.

 No.1633322

Voted yes myself.

 No.1633323

>>1633321
Since when did the widely acclaimed speaker, writer, journalist, and political analyst Caleb Maupin get interested in Australian politics?

 No.1633333

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I have to say from an outsider looking in, it is funny to see this measure being popular via polling before the process to make it happen started, iirc before or during Labor won the previous election. Proof that the Murdoch machine can create FUD on a whim and make people change their mind if it needs them to.

>>1633191
>>1633235
So what tangible material benefit do you want for the Indigenous people?

 No.1633337

>>1633333
Proof that i am not delusional.

 No.1633339

>>1633333
First of all nice digits.

>I have to say from an outsider looking in, it is funny to see this measure being popular via polling before the process to make it happen started, iirc before or during Labor won the previous election. Proof that the Murdoch machine can create FUD on a whim and make people change their mind if it needs them to.

I am not suggesting that there aren't far-right elements behind the No campaign. But Australians generally despise referendums and change. Ultimately the LNC capitalised on this by introducing their "If you don't know, vote no." campaign. It was successful because Labor failed to clarify their position and made it as ineffectual as possible.

 No.1633347

>>1633322
same, but i have no illusions about reformism

 No.1633354

>>1633339
Then why and how is there overwhelmingly support for the measure before it became a referendum? Unless Labor made some major change to the measure, but since nobody ITT mentioned it and even you said that they were vague and wishy about it.

I am not critical of far right elements behind No, at least they were honest from the very beginning. But the people who changed their minds before it started are

a)easily brainwashed sheep that will listen to the media
b)cowards who say they like nice things until they actually have to do things to get it
c)contrarians who wants to distinguish themselves from the Labor base that they despise.

 No.1633370

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>>1633339
The campaign was an absolute catastrophe.

You cannot sell something by both saying it's a prerequisite to be able to do anything about their conditions, while also pretending the Voice will have absolutely no power whatsoever and it's not a step towards anything.

The No campaign did not have any coherent argument because they did not need one, all they had to do was to simply point and laugh.

 No.1633371

>>1633354
>a)easily brainwashed sheep that will listen to the media
I don't watch mainstream media, I consulted various socialist sources and there was a divided opinion from leftists and progressives. The progressive No case is fair, no treaty, no vote, it is bourgeois but it can be used as leverage against Labor by the Greens, whatever. And the radical No vote, is either to prevent paternalistic state-capitalist encroachment via grog bans, police and military presence in the NT, or to frustrate Labor during a period of sharp economic downturn.

It was a campaign designed to drum up support for the Labor party from the beginning, with a safe liberal cause that could "heal the political divide". While offering nothing other than a bourgeois political body of a privileged few Indigenous.

>b)cowards who say they like nice things until they actually have to do things to get it

I want international social revolution. Australia needs to be a socialist republic that represents all its citizens. Until I see a conversation for that, then I'm not going to participate in parliamentary reformism.

 No.1633372

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 No.1633374

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>>1633372
It's so over

 No.1633392

>>1633371
So you admit that you are c) then.

>Until I see a conversation for that, then I'm not going to participate in parliamentary reformism.

That is a different discussion altogether, but nobody is going to see the contradictions in bourgeois democracy until you push for parliamentary reformism. The idea is to push for the Voice precisely because it is worthless to show how useless the whole parliamentary system. People must get things they do not want before they get mad.

 No.1633398

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succdems btfo

give us real rights or piss off

 No.1633401

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>>1631538
MORE 🙌 SOB 🙌 STORIES

 No.1633404


 No.1633408

>>1633392
>So you admit that you are c) then.
It's not an insult, to be a Marxist is to engage in the "ruthless criticism of everything existing." You are a contrarian, I am a contrarian, we are socialists in a fundamentally anti-socialist country. You are a weirdo in a country filled of parochial stereotypes.

>The idea is to push for the Voice precisely because it is worthless to show how useless the whole parliamentary system. People must get things they do not want before they get mad.

So, the idea is to push something worthless so people realise it's worthless? A treaty grants rights and obligations which can then be held to account be the democratic will of the people, the Voice grants nothing. Regardless, it's lost. Narrow SocDem political horizons.

 No.1633411

>>1633354
>Then why and how is there overwhelmingly support for the measure before it became a referendum?
I supported it for a while until it became clear that it was going to be a literal voice to parliment instead of anything with power. That and there is no concrete proposition for structure, method of appointment etc. By the time my indigenous comrades convinced me to oppose, it became a referendum and I was a no by then.
If they wanted democratic process and indigenous voices, they should listen to the ones already there on the ground, the various aboriginal representation orgs or at least come with a plan before changing the constitution in such a vauge way.

 No.1633412

>>1633236
yeah and they did a great job of pulling the ladder up behind them.

 No.1633421

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>>1632965
picrel

>>1632948
This post compiled a list of various stances of socialist and anarchist orgs, and half of those listed are 'no':
http://old.reddit.com/r/AustralianSocialism/comments/161r8r1/megathread_of_leftist_statements_on_the_voice/

 No.1633422

>>1633408
>It's not an insult, to be a Marxist is to engage in the "ruthless criticism of everything existing."
You could have easily made that criticism the moment the Indigenous people suggested it. Why wait until now?

>So, the idea is to push something worthless so people realise it's worthless?

Precisely. Now nobody will ever know for sure that it is worthless, and everyone goes back to their homes thinking they are right for doing they did in helping (or harming) the indigenous people. The bourgeois democracy affirms its own existence by promising to do nothing, and your views and criticism will remain fringe.

>>1633411
So it was made by toothless by the parliament? That makes sense. What was the original plan going to be?

 No.1633425

>>1633421
i checked the cpa-ml link and they left the issue open ended yet the person who compiled the post put them as 'no'.

 No.1633428

>>1633418
>The bourgeois democracy affirms its own existence by promising to do nothing, and your views and criticism will remain fringe.
And this is exactly what the Labor party is guilty of and exactly why parliamentarism must be abandoned. There have been a number of protests against Indigenous incarceration by socialist groups this year alone, people involving themselves direct struggle, I guarantee you know nothing about them.

The same can be said about your own views, you can go to your bed tonight feeling morally indignant about bogans in Queensland voting no and feel passively satisfied.

 No.1633434

>>1633421
>>1633425
the whole list is retarded for putting "sovereign no" and "critical yes" like anyone gives a shit, or their moronic good intentions will stop the wave of confusion and propaganda that is going to be unleashed.

 No.1633439

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>>1633238
The centre moves to the left when the spectacle stops supplying empty victories.

 No.1633442

>>1633439
rippen

 No.1633444

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>>1633428
>And this is exactly what the Labor party is guilty of and exactly why parliamentarism must be abandoned.
Sure IIRC The Labor party fumbled in some of their policies and that lead to political agitation. My point is that you must give Labor the opportunity to fail on its own terms to show that the system is rigged. The No vote is just affirming the status quo for better or for worse.

>you can go to your bed tonight feeling morally indignant about bogans in Queensland voting no and feel passively satisfied.


Like I said from the very beginning, I am an outsider looking in. Did you read my posts carefully?

And where I am from I advocate for pushing for policies that I know my pseduo-dictatorship cannot or do not want to implement to stir up public resentment. I have consistently told my comrades here that we must get the public to want something, show that the political institutions would not let them have it (via parliamentary reformism), and give an alternative ideology/party/org that will give them what they want. This is the only path to revolution, not sneering from the sideline with 'ruthless criticism.'

 No.1633445

>>1633444
> My point is that you must give Labor the opportunity to fail on its own terms to show that the system is rigged.
They are failing on their own terms.This *is* a failure on their own terms. Labor is responsible for their own defeat.

 No.1633446

>>1633445
Fail to do what? They didn't have the mandate to do anything for the indigenous people. If anything this is the best outcome for Labor. They can throw their hands up and say "Well we tried." without doing anything more.

 No.1633447

>>1633423
The Solidarity one ('YES') also has 3 links, I checked the first, the first person says boycott, second says nothing and last says 'vote against'. That said, the second link confirms the org sided with 'yes'.

 No.1633450

>>1633434
It's up to you how you explain this to your friends and family, who may be in disbelief over how this could fail.

You can turn this into something useful by telling them that many people (and those descriptors are proof!) that many progressive left-wing orgs and indiginous activists voted 'no' because this wasn't going to do anything meaningful.

Or, if you're going to have a sook about it and waste a perfect opportunity for agitation, you can do that instead.

 No.1633452

>>1633421 (me)
picrel was also for same poster - >>1632713

 No.1633453

>>1633446
They failed to advance the interests of Indigenous people. They have failed to implement the national anti-corruption commission. They have failed to address the housing and rental crisis. They have failed to tackle the Murdoch press. They have failed to condemn the murder in Gaza while attempting to pass this campaign.

By all metrics, it is failure. Bringing Australian leftists away from friendlydjordies Labor dicksucking opportunism and towards revolutionary positions, it is better off for all socialists and indigenous people.

 No.1633456

>>1633321
This. Australia must develop the productive forces.

Under Actually Existing Socialism, there will be a coal mine or steel mill in every neighborhood including the indigenous neighborhoods, AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT.

 No.1633459

>>1633446
>Fail to do what?
Fail to get a significant amount of indigenous leaders to support their watered-down propoal.
Fail to get the voters onboard.
Fail to change anything through electoral means.

 No.1633461

>>1633453
>They failed to advance the interests of Indigenous people
Clearly not when they tried to push through the referendum. It isn't their fault that it didn't go through and they can go back to doing nothing.

>Bringing Australian leftists away from friendlydjordies Labor dicksucking opportunism and towards revolutionary positions, it is better off for all socialists and indigenous people.


Your contrarianism and hatred for Labor is not helping you think rationally. They failed to accomplish these things is precisely why bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional. For someone so deeply harsh and critical of parliamentary reformism, you seem to feel betrayed that Labor fails to do anything.

This is a good thing to have now so you agitate people for more revolutionary politics. Tut-tutting at people like you are doing now is helping no one.

>>1633459
None of these failures rely on parliamentary democracy, but their political organization…

 No.1633462

>>1633450
>perfect opportunity for agitation
throughout the 90s there was wide public support for treaty or at least constitutional representation including indigenous members of parliament and and a review body on land rights and law. then in 2005 howard swept ATSIC aside after pulling bullshit exploratory commissions until he found something. since then treaty has not been in the australian political lexicon because people like…

>>1633453
>Bringing Australian leftists away from friendlydjordies Labor dicksucking opportunism and towards revolutionary positions, it is better off for all socialists and indigenous people
want you to lose faith in labor and the unions and put your faith and trust in a bunch of burnouts that have never exercised authority higher than a local council or a handful of seats after decades of futile campaigning.

 No.1633463

>>1633458
>It isn't their fault that it didn't go through
It absolutely fuckin' is. They wrote the thing. They set up the game and voters didn't like it.
And I don't think you can even try and blame it on conservatives or racists either. They're not powerful enough to block it by themselves. Even looking at the polling above, about a fifth of 'progressive voters' replied they would say 'no' and a quarter of Green voters.

 No.1633465

>>1633458
>It isn't their fault that it didn't go through and they can go back to doing nothing.
What are you talking about? Of course it's their fault they didn't get enough votes, that was literally their job. This is the metric of bourgeois parliamentarism.

I really don't know what else to tell you, the No vote comes from all across the political spectrum and expresses a growing anti-political attitude against Labor. It is something that socialists should take advantage of.

 No.1633468

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>>1633461
>>1633462
>treaty has not been in the australian political lexicon because people like [some random leftypol user advocating for pro-treaty position].

 No.1633474

>>1633461
>They failed to accomplish these things is precisely why bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional.

Do they fail to accomplish these things because bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional? Or is it that bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional and cannot accomplish these things?

 No.1633475

>>1633465
>It is something that socialists should take advantage of.
This.
This this this.
Hell, even if you voted 'no', you should be concern trolling the FUCK out of progressives in shell-shock. Tell them you voted yes but lots of indiginous people voted no that's provably true btw! because it didn't actually do anything, they want more than a boring old voice. They already have a voice. They want land rights, treaty, and all that good shit, not a bureaucratic advisory body that can just be ignored whenever the liberal party or labor party get elected.

 No.1633483

>>1633463
>>1633465
We are veering off course what we originally talked about. I was talking about Labor failing to enact meaningful change via parliamentary reformism, not in gathering support and mandate for change.

On the latter, yea Labor fucked up. But now they do not need to use the state to do anything for the indigenous people since they failed to get the mandate.

Labor is never going to do anything meaningful in power, but failing at the ballot box and falling in parliament is two distinct impotency. One is due to internal organization and other due to the nature of bourgeois democracy.

 No.1633484

File: 1697279418939.png (12.37 KB, 707x101, ClipboardImage.png)

Damn, I'd like that.

Well, actually I'd like Cheran where political parties are outlawed, but that's even more unbelievable to us.

 No.1633486

>>1633474
>Or is it that bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional and cannot accomplish these things?
Yes.

>>1633475
That is very disingenuous to lie but even then they can still think they can give what the indigenous people want via reformism ala another referendum again.

 No.1633489

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>>1633486
>That is very disingenuous to lie
Do you want socialism, or not?

 No.1633491

>>1633483
>I was talking about Labor failing to enact meaningful change via parliamentary reformism, not in gathering support and mandate for change.
How can you pretend that these are distinct issues? The poll split clearly shows that if a substantial treaty was offered that more on the left would have voted for it. The actual truth is that if a treaty was discussed that many in the Labor party would turn against it.

 No.1633492

>>1633489
>strinerfag wants socialism
Kek but my point is it is better to tell the truth.

 No.1633495

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 No.1633496

>>1633491
I don’t see your point.

 No.1633497

>>1633468
don't be fatuous. I mean aussie socialists in general. you only crawl out of the woodwork after a labor victory to suck the energy out of every long overdue lurch back to the left: snub every reform, be holier than thou, do cringe shit for the tv cameras, confuse the electorate with retarded countersignalling about how everything is futile, poison the well at every opportunity. then when the liberals are back in power you jump right on the cones and pat yourselves on the back for defeating the hypocrites. I cringe every time I have to sit through a 40 minute video, a 800 word meandering essay, go to a protest and hear a 20 minute speech that never comes to a point. it's not that it's hard to follow or even wrong, it's just miserable and exhausting. take that list of anarcho socialist recommendations: every cunt wrote their own essay and they were apparently so long winded and confusing the list author couldn't keep track of what each cunt was trying to say.

people want something simple, just give them a few steps to follow and a good enough reason, it works for the succdems and the cookers. and stop calling the proles pieces of shit for being too busy for this lifestyle. lets take this example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Atphj7rkbc
half an hour of extra waffling on, a foregone conclusion that resistance is pretty futile. should the viewer join a union? dunno, just felt gross the whole time.

the "progressive" "sovereign" no managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory. voters that supported them will probably come to regret it around 2028, maybe 2030. all they had to do was form a coalition to have some sort of cohesive messaging and they could have easily pwned the far right campaign but a left unity coalition is ridiculous so they just fed votes into the liberal campaign.

 No.1633498

>>1633496
I stated it before, moving people away from parliamentarism and from cheering on Labor, or pretending that they are a path to socialism or indigenous sovereignty. I've been extremely consistent on this point.

 No.1633500

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>>1633492
>better

 No.1633502

>>1633498
Okay and then someone talked about Labor failing to get support from indigenous people to vote yes on the voice and things got mixed up.

My point is that Labor must fail in enacting change like social democratic shit but in order to do that they must not fail in gathering (or consistently be given) mandate to do social democratic shit. That is the only path to revolution.

 No.1633503

>>1633497
>you only crawl out of the woodwork
Stopped reading there, schizo.

 No.1633508

>>1633502
You're putting the cart before the horse and making an opportunist error.

 No.1633511

>>1633503
I think it's because even the ABC barely interviews the shadow cabinet during a liberal government. a bunch of cunts that couldn't win a bid to change bin day couldn't make the news if they tried.

 No.1633515

File: 1697281826048.png (146.81 KB, 1105x993, ClipboardImage.png)

Blue is majority 'Yes' electorates.
Orange is majority 'No' electorates.

 No.1633516

>>1633508
Explain.

 No.1633520

For news on an election that actually matters:
In New Zealand, the conservative Liberal Party have formed a coalition government with the lolbert party to secure victory.

 No.1633521

>>1633502
>My point is that Labor must fail in enacting change like social democratic shit but in order to do that they must not fail in gathering (or consistently be given) mandate to do social democratic shit.
They were given the mandate to do social democratic shit when they were voted in. This is their version of social democratic shit, don't laugh!

You are putting the parliamentary struggle before the class struggle and the indigenous struggle. Already I'm seeing on ABC Indigenous people that are wanting "another path" and tired of the "same old'. What other path is it other than treaty?

 No.1633531

>>1633521
>They were given the mandate to do social democratic shit when they were voted in.
For other stuff sure but not on the Voice.

>You are putting the parliamentary struggle before the class struggle and the indigenous struggle.

How? I never said you shouldn’t do those things but that you should vote for Labor.

 No.1633536

>>1633531
And that's fine, you're a just a social democrat. Plenty of them on here draping themselves in revolutionary clothes.

 No.1633542

I'm not an Australian, but am I correct in saying that 'No' seems like the best result for the country? It looked sketchy as fuck what they were suggesting, and judging by the outcome I can only assume that it definitely was.

Anyways, now maybe you can finally focus on the infinitely more important republican referendum?

 No.1633546

>>1633542
>Anyways, now maybe you can finally focus on the infinitely more important republican referendum?
Only if Labor is reelected at the next election.

 No.1633559

>>1633546
oh well, at least if the coalition comes back it frees up more time for hongies.

 No.1633583

>>1633536
Ah so this discussion eventually boils down to a pissing contest over who is the cooler leftist…

 No.1633584

>>1633542
>infinitely more important republican referendum?
Does he know?

 No.1633589

>>1633583
Pretty much. I'm also correct, which is why you have no argument other than adhom.

 No.1633594

>>1633589
You literally have no argument other than making social democat an adhom and calling everyone you don’t like that. Physican, heal thyself!

 No.1633596

>>1633594
>than making social democat an adhom
I'm pretty sure world history has shown social democracy is an absolute traitorous joke.

 No.1633597

>>1633596
Yea and I am not one of them, retard.

 No.1633598

>>1633597
If you say so!

 No.1633603

>>1633598
>gives complex answers on why he not a right winger even if he goes for the Liberal/National choice
>accuse others of being a social democrat for going for the Labor choice
I accept your concession.

 No.1633606

>>1633603
>the Liberal/National choice
Fucking lmao, stop buying into bourgeois political narratives. If Labor wanted to stop far-right nutjobs and bloodthirsty SkyNews readers they would have dealt with it and then pursued a treaty. No one is apologising for third-way Blairist politics anymore other than SocDems.

 No.1633633

>>1633606
mate who is even at the table for your treaty? there is no representative body that has the goodwill of the community and the tent embassy activists are a shadow of what they used to be, stuck doing clown shit chasing cookers around with bundi sticks. maybe get queen lidia to do it between walkouts? it's not negotiating re-entry to a strip club but I'm sure she'll manage.

 No.1633659

>>1633633
>mate who is even at the table for your treaty?
Indigenous Australians, most socialists and progressives, and yes potentially some conservatives.

> there is no representative body that has the goodwill of the community

Yeah funny that, I wonder why that is? It's very fortunate that us socialists have a ready made critique for that!

>the tent embassy activists are a shadow of what they used to be

Okay, and? "The left" has politically regressed in all first world countries because of de-industrialisation. It was our Labor government and not the liberals that introduced neoliberalism in this country through the Prices and Incomes Accord, which was chiefly supported by… social democrats! Some of them are in the Labor party today.

>stuck doing clown shit chasing cookers around with bundi sticks

No one cares, I have no allegiance to Thorpe, the Greens or the rest of the society of spectacle. Not an argument

 No.1633661

>>1633606
Did liberal and National push against the Voice or not? Stop being obtuse.

 No.1633685

>>1633661
No one is being obtuse, read the thread >>1633339

 No.1633793

>>1633685
Huh it is almost as if there are various reasons to vote No and Yes…

But someone has to keep blanketing one side as social democrats and crying crocodile tear when his side gets the same treatment. What an insufferable hypocrite.

 No.1633800

>>1633685
The worse part is during the whole discussion, I have never dismissed your arguments by calling you names, yet you are the one who fantastise about my life >>1633428 and dismiss my argument by calling me a social democrat. But somehow I am the one throwing out adhoms.

 No.1634075

File: 1697305567048.jpg (128.03 KB, 893x970, 1692535256223811.jpg)

Why are so many abos white?

 No.1634095

>>1634075
Smart Anglos saw which way the racial winds were blowing and now like to racemaxx for additional advantages. Other examples: Elizabeth Warren, Rachel Dolezal.

 No.1634448

>>1634075
race is a spook. its a cultural thing.

 No.1634467

File: 1697317374912.png (1.02 MB, 1200x819, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1634075
al-Assad created a white alliance around the world 200 years ago.

 No.1634484

Black Peoples Union interview on ABC. A bit late to post but a good solid interview.

 No.1635009

>>1632948
>but I can't understand why any supposed liberal or left winger is.
>liberal
it's an aboriginal only lobby group being put in the constitution
why would a liberal ever support such a retarded thing

 No.1635059

File: 1697329423007.png (33.36 KB, 768x768, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1635009
because most liberals aren't classical liberals. the contradictions inherent in such an idealist position force compromises, hence conservative liberalism and progressive liberalism being so widespread.

 No.1635060

The Voice was a racist proposal. That's why I voted No.

 No.1635132

>>1634484
familiar with the BPU, the black sovereignty movement aren't going to deliver any wins, they have nothing to gain from going to a negotiating table, a bunch of policies that are informed by principle not feasibility, and a base that will cast them aside if things slow down. Australia doesn't need yet another lefty splitter faction to spit the dummy and get into performative left infighting until the public is tired of them and votes us back into the hands of the coal lobby. soz.

 No.1635306

>>1635060
how is it racist?

 No.1635364

>>1635060
Shut the fuck up you retard.
I voted no.

 No.1635366

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File: 1697345699335-1.png (240.82 KB, 614x480, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1697345699335-2.png (183.77 KB, 605x430, ClipboardImage.png)

Nazis trying to infiltrate the Palestine protests.

 No.1635405

File: 1697347846661.png (319.91 KB, 620x511, ClipboardImage.png)

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 No.1635514

>>1633800
I wasn't calling you names to insult you, I was describing your position accurately. I don't know what country your from but in Australia we have an extremely opportunist left and a very reactionary right. It is important to distinguish the wheat from the chaff, this is what the No vote has effectively done. There are those that believe supporting Labor is the path to socialism and progress, and there are people who are desiring political alternatives.

 No.1635517

>>1635514
You were calling me names (social democrat) to dismiss my argument on how to agitate for revolution. That is literally how ad homeniem works. Hell nowhere did i ever said anything about being insulted. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

 No.1635524

>>1635517
I'm not dismissing your argument, I was drawing attention to it, it is revisionism and it's a problem that the left in the country has had since the 1980s.

I'm not against all parliamentarism, as I have frequently stated, I would have supported a treaty on the terms you described because it would have lead to something else, it has a further historical purpose.

 No.1635526

>>1635517
>You were calling me names (social democrat) to dismiss my argument on how to agitate for revolution
no dude, you're advocating a social reformist action within liberal democracy.

it is completely accurate to describe your posts as social democrat policy. saying 'yes' to a social democrat party isn't agitation.

 No.1635530

>>1635524
>>1635526
>it is revisionism and it's a problem that the left in the country has had since the 1980s.
Literally ad homien again. You really can't help yourself can you?

>you're advocating a social reformist action within liberal democracy.

What lies, I said time and time again, no political change can happen within the confines of bourgeois democracy, and only advocating for giving the social democrats the mandate they need to demonstrate such impotence to the masses.

It is you who have far more faith in the bourgeois democracy than me, thinking a cooler treaty "would have lead to something else". No treaty would have been sufficient in giving the indigenous people what they need, no matter how many of them Labor consult.

 No.1635531

File: 1697365713374.gif (2.75 KB, 56x68, rover.gif)

>>1635530
>Literally ad homien again.
That is literally not ad hominem.
>It is you who have far more faith in the bourgeois democracy than me
This, however, is ad hominem.

 No.1635535

>>1635531
>That is literally not ad hominem.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

>>1635531
>This, however, is ad hominem.
Okay how can someone be this aggressively stupid? I literally quoted your fucking post that said >>1635524 " I would have supported a treaty on the terms you described because it would have lead to something else" to make a point that you have more faith in the bourgeois democracy than me . Whatever you can say about my accusation, this is not an ad hominem.

 No.1635545

>>1635535
>Social Democrat going insane live!
Bro, just stop. You're the one attacking my character for "faith in the bourgeoisie". Are you this removed from reality? The Yes campaign and the No campaign are controlled by two factions of the bourgeoisie, nobody is pretending otherwise. As the other anon above you're describing voting 'Yes' as agitation when it clearly wasn't in any conceivable way other than from a revisionist and opportunist perspective. It really is that simple.

I truly wish you no ill will by the way, I think it is instructive to have this argument. Maybe your country is different.

 No.1635570

File: 1697369484605.jpg (34.93 KB, 1791x191, Learntoread.JPG)

>>1635545
>>Social Democrat going insane live!
Classic guilt by association. But sure I am the one having bad arguments.

>You're the one attacking my character for "faith in the bourgeoisie". Are you this removed from reality?

Learn to read you fucking moron. Faith in the bourgeoisie? When have I said that? I said that you have faith in bourgeois democracy if you think any form of the Voice, whether radical enough that the indigenous people would vote Yes, would be implemented if it was given the mandate. It cannot and will not, but giving mandates to social democrats gives more opportunities for agitation when they eventually fail to achieve their goals.

Call me revisionist or opportunist if you must to feel good about yourself, but at least grasp what I am trying to say first.

>I truly wish you no ill will by the way

I truly wish you learn how to fucking read and stop using your alexia as a rhetorical weapon.

 No.1635626

>>1635570
You're truly off your head and removed from reality. I offered my argument as clear as crystal and instead of refusing to accept it and move on you're being a crybaby about it.

People voted No and now Indigenous people, progressive and socialists are on the side of a treaty. What does that say to Indigenous people other than socialists have always been your friend, socialists were the ones that stood with you. If the Labor government can't implement a treaty then they can't govern. If the treaty isn't sufficient, finally! Socialism is on the table.

You're arguing backwards and forwards to justify being a social democrat. Which again is fine people had resons for and against, but it also means that you are subject to opportunist influences and revisionist tendencies inherent in in the Labor party.

 No.1635638

>>1635626
>I offered my argument as clear as crystal and instead of refusing to accept it and move on you're being a crybaby about it.
Lmao I am not the one misrepresenting the other's argument to the point of confusing bourgeois democracy for bourgeoisie and accusing others about being an impure socialist. Stop accusing me of what you are doing.

>People voted No and now Indigenous people, progressive and socialists are on the side of a treaty.

Again, I have not argued otherwise. If you think the Voice is not enough, whatever man. But you cannot sit here and tell me a more radical Voice would have been implemented AND accuse me of being an opportunist and revisionist.

>You're arguing backwards and forwards to justify being a social democrat.

Again, I am not arguing for being a social democrat, just as you are not arguing for being a right winger/ Liberal supporter. Guilt by association is a neat rhetorical trick, but you don't get to use AND cry about me use ad hominem.

 No.1635642

>>1635638
You're a schizo, you have convinced no one. Good night.

 No.1635643

>>1635642
>name-calling
I accept your concession.

 No.1636626

lol, carefree limousine libs still thinking they can go on idpol adventures without having to touch class divides.

 No.1636651

>>1636626
Wow, you really showed the libs by stabbing indigenous people in the back

 No.1636709

>>1635626
>finally! Socialism is on the table.
this is a realistic assessment of how things will pan out, having zero state or federal seats just means the socialists have more opportunities to win than any major party.

 No.1636908

>>1636651
>Wow, you really showed the libs by stabbing indigenous people in the back
You have a couple of erroneous premises there. Sorry that you're a retard.

 No.1636916

Political malpractice to hold a referendum at a time that tons of people are economically struggling and are going to vote no simply because it's the only way at the time to express displeasure with the government.

 No.1636930

>>1636651
>>1635643
Saw these on the news this morning:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5BqW63PeOmU
https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1713423419084046800

These sentiments have all supported what I said from the outset. Indigenous people are going to move away "the politics of kindness" I.E. from the labor party and push for treaty, or god forbid something more radical! Already you can see the boomer cookers in the replies. This is ultimately good.

As the young guy in the short said, this was a controlled bush burning. The people in the Yes campaign acted like the voice was an attempt at "structural change", when it wasn't. If opportunists dismiss the indigenous struggle because "it is the politics of fear and division!" then they reveal themselves as libs. Once again, good!

 No.1636948

>>1636916
>Political malpractice to hold a referendum [at any time, in any country, ever]
ok

 No.1636966

>>1636930
>>1636626
As I already said earlier, I don't discount the fact that the Voice was a watered down project. I just don't believe a more radical treaty would be possible to implement in bourgeois democracy even if given the mandate and that voting No does nothing to further the contradictions in bourgeois democracy but affirming its validity.

Everyone goes back to their homes, thinking "structural change" is possible if things go their way.

 No.1636981

If anything, it is the peak of revisionism to think that structural change is possible, let alone want it when criticizing 'fake' structural change. The point is not for indigenous people to simply to take power out of colonizer's hands, since that wouldn't change anything about the world. The point is to destroy the notion itself.

For someone who loves to act like they are the real and only revolutionary socialist around crying about revisionism all the time, you seem to miss that the whole point is to change the structure replacing bourgois democracy with dotp, not doing 'real' structural change a more radical Voice.

 No.1636992

>>1636981
>>1636981
Finally, we are talking about the possibilities for socialism! I consider this a positive development. Because you are correct!
> it is the peak of revisionism to think that structural change is possible
Agreed. That's why the campaign was never going to pass and why Labor is responsible for their own defeat and it's why they will fail to implement their paltry neoliberal 'Mind the Gap' targets and fail to support a treaty. If you consider this a failure of "the left" then you are conflating the left and ingeneous sovereignty movements with the Labor party and that is a form of opportunism.
>the whole point is to change the structure replacing bourgois democracy with dotp
Correct, and the way to do that is to align with the class struggle and move away from parliamentarism. As me and others have pointed out, there is a growing anti-political attitude towards Labor and this is a space that socialists can occupy.

 No.1637032

>>1636992
>That's why the campaign was never going to pass and why Labor is responsible for their own defeat and it's why they will fail to implement their paltry neoliberal 'Mind the Gap' targets and fail to support a treaty.

That is a pointless statement to make. No measure that will benefit indigenous people will ever happen, whether is fails in the ballot box or in the parliament. It doesn’t matter if Labor fails in the former, only in the latter that leads to agitation in the bourgeois democracy. We are rehashing the same argument over again. Read my old posts again if you can.

>As me and others have pointed out, there is a growing anti-political attitude towards Labor and this is a space that socialists can occupy.

With you constantly woke-scolding and crying about revisionism and opportunism? I agree with >>1633497 that your condescending attitude will only deflate and sullen anybody who still believes in bourgeois democracy.

 No.1637038

And even if it is a space that you can occupy, so what? The anti-Labor sentiment is not directed to bougoieis democracy itself. People would still want to use the state to implement reforms because they have not seen it fail to do so.

 No.1637047

>>1637038
>People would still want to use the state to implement reforms because they have not seen it fail to do so.
I agree. Labor is governing in the middle of an economic depression and is in a position to advance social democratic reforms. So far, and based on the federal budget, they have failed to do so.

>>1637032
>that your condescending attitude will only deflate and sullen anybody who still believes in bourgeois democracy.
Why is this bad? Do you want me to pretend Santa Claus is real for liberals? Moreover, I'm actually optimistic.

 No.1637057

>>1637047
>Labor is governing in the middle of an economic depression and is in a position to advance social democratic reforms. So far, and based on the federal budget, they have failed to do so.

On this other front, I will say anything since I don’t know. But on this Voice, that has not happened. Especially after this referendum, it wouldn’t happen anytime soon.

>Why is this bad? Do you want me to pretend Santa Claus is real for liberals?

Nobody cares about what you know until they know that you care. And nobody wants to listen to an insufferable cunt.

>Moreover, I'm actually optimistic.

I am sure the British socialists were equally optimistic when the Wilson and Callaghan’s Labour government was eating shit regularly.

 No.1637130

>>1637057
>On this other front, I will say anything since I don’t know. But on this Voice, that has not happened. Especially after this referendum, it wouldn’t happen anytime soon.
So you plead ignorance on the totality of the political situation purely based on "vibes".

>Nobody cares about what you know until they know that you care. And nobody wants to listen to an insufferable cunt.

This is irrelevant. My words would be a lot different if I was talking to ordinary people, compared to self-proclaimed socialists on /leftypol/.

 No.1637136

>>1637130
>So you plead ignorance on the totality of the political situation purely based on "vibes".
Unlike you, I don’t speak so confidently on things I do not know for sure. I am not even disagreeing with you. IIRC Jacobin reported that in one state Labor screwed over some unions, and socialists should get in on that action for agitation. But on the Voice, the indigenous people are unmoved.

>This is irrelevant. My words would be a lot different if I was talking to ordinary people, compared to self-proclaimed socialists on /leftypol/.

If this is how you treat your comrades, I can’t imagine how would you treat class cucks and traitors.

 No.1637146

>>1637136
>If this is how you treat your comrades, I can’t imagine how would you treat class cucks and traitors.
The whole purpose of socialist discussion in or outside of the party is for ruthless self-criticism. It is not for bedtime stories, and it is not meant to be taken personally.

As for "class cucks and traitors" I don't expect anything of them, they move and blow in the wind.

 No.1637197

File: 1697441390384.jpg (24.67 KB, 225x300, spud.jpg)

The big spud has fallen.

 No.1637232

>>1637146
Very minded words from the man who mocked others by calling them a schizo, crying about ad honienm while constantly doing guilt by association tricks. You are fooling no one with your grandstanding.

 No.1638289

>>1636948
those brackets are doing a lot of work, bruh.
one of the underpinnings of leftist thought is that billions can be lifted out of economic pain.
until such time, good luck to the waterfront liberals and their self-aggrandizing displays of 'compassion'.

 No.1646078

Joel Davis from the NSN talks about how having a community tell him to fuck off makes him feel bad. Join a counterprotest!

 No.1646119

File: 1697796190392.png (571.86 KB, 2000x2000, Bandit shitposting2.png)

found this on /co/ during this year's Mr. /co/ nominations

 No.1646928

File: 1697840549671-0.jpeg (248.91 KB, 1080x1080, 1.jpeg)

File: 1697840549671-1.jpeg (293.36 KB, 1080x1080, 2.jpeg)

melbourne counterprotest in 2 hours.

fizzle?

 No.1647000

File: 1697846894066.jpg (88.35 KB, 994x764, straya.jpg)

BLUEY FANS

YOU HAVE… 22 minutes, TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU LIKE LIL' ELVIS AND THE TRUCKSTOPPERS.

 No.1647202

File: 1697862434843.jpg (54.09 KB, 1080x719, bingo vs bingo.jpg)

>>1647000
never heard of it
nice trips

 No.1649614

>>1646119
>e r n g i

 No.1649646

>>1649614
Ginger. 'Bluey' and 'Ginger' are nicknames for someone with red hair, and there's only one G key.

 No.1649652

Studies showing that food insecurity has rocketed up
>More than a third of the population either "compromise their meal choices" or are forced to "skip meals or whole days of eating", and the proportion of Australians who have "experienced some level of difficulty in meeting the most basic of needs" is approaching 50 per cent

 No.1649839

>>1649614
didn't notice that
>>1649646
that's two g's in ginger

 No.1650158

>>1649646
>>1649839
>that's two g's in ginger
This, there only one g in the keyboard

>Ginger are nicknames

Never name an African ginger then.

 No.1650316

>>1418192
what was the reason?

 No.1650832

>>1649839
>that's two g's in ginger
then how did u type it on a keyboard with only one 'g' ??? ?? ???/??

 No.1650837

So, I found this blog post from last month.
> By anon (not verified)
>One Day Sydney Anarcho-Syndicalist Conference
>Saturday, November 18, 2023
>Gadigal Room, Newtown Neighbourhood Centre (11-13 Darley St.)
>Sydney, Australia
>http://www.rebelworker.org/

>"From Corporate Bureaucratic Unionism to Grassroots Controlled Direct Action Unionism: Lessons from the 1970's and Perspectives for Today."


Then they go over the schedule, some Anti-Vietnam and BLF stuff, that that's all well and good, but then this is appended to one of them:

>Rebel Worker has moved: Over a ten year period, Jura Books has mutated into a non-anarchist project resembling more so a Trotskyist group. After 10 years of bullying and lies, their final act of outrage was to use force to illegally remove us from the premises. Please note we (as Anarcho-Syndicalists) are no longer associated with Jura Books. Our correspondence address and email remain the same. We are now forced to seek donations for a space for Anarcho-Syndicalists in Sydney.


>A$750,000 is urgently sought to buy premises for the proposed Rebel Worker- Anarcho-Syndicalist Network Media Centre. Please make out Cheques to Black Cat Media and forward to PO Box 92 Broadway 2007 NSW, Australia.


That's a lotta money!

 No.1651333

>>1564307
this is absolutely burgerpunk. Australians are the burgers of the south pacific

 No.1651417

>>1650837
Idk what is more shameless, that they are asking or that they think people will give.

 No.1652960

>>1651333
are kiwis the leafs of the south pacific then?

 No.1653485

>>1651417
I mean, look, I can understand asking for donations, nothing wrong with that, but asking for a 750,000 is a bit ridiculous if you don't have ten thousand members, and something tells me they'd be lucky to have a hundred.

 No.1653512

File: 1698270083381.png (19.64 KB, 665x93, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1650837
>Jura Books
>picrel
lolwut

 No.1657027

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/inside-andrew-twiggy-forrest-s-urgent-global-climate-campaign-20231026-p5efbc.html

>Forrest described calls for everyone to do their bit to tackle climate change as flagrant greenwashing, arguing that there are about 1000 people in the world culpable for climate change and capable of fixing it.


>He asked that when it was time to “put heads on spikes, start with mine, but please don’t forget the other 999”.

 No.1657096

>>1657027
>calls for everyone to do their bit to tackle climate change
https://www.marketforces.org.au is a pretty good place to start.

 No.1657323

>>1653512
The source is from 2006 and they did profiles on lots of random businesses, but that's the only not-for-profit I found. It's strange.

Their bookshop would not pay the rent, they must have donors backing it.

 No.1657348

>>1652960
I think that's a fair assesment, SEA is equivalent to South America

 No.1659729

File: 1698685215473.webm (3.92 MB, 848x480, 1698624549281398.webm)


 No.1660122

>>1659729
old news and shit news

 No.1661353

>>1660122
i see no-one else posting this shit

 No.1661672

>>1659729
agent provocateurs

 No.1661744

>>1659729
That's great footage of the USyd 'queers for Palestine' protest

 No.1662570

>>1661353
yes, because it's not worth posting.

 No.1665561

ABC news is remarkable anti-Israel, or at least, not-pro-Israel.
Could this be, perhaps, the strength of non-profit economics?

 No.1665607

>>1665561
This is kayfabe to keep their viewers engaged. ABC is a state run propaganda outlet, they supported every US war in the middle east and they called Assange a rapist.

 No.1665624

>>1665145
is australia SOCIALIST now?

 No.1665628

>>1665624
its run by a LABOR party!

 No.1668104

>The Victorian Greens have said this year's Melbourne Cup must be the last, and have called on Labor to spend less money propping up the racing industry and more on supporting people doing it tough.

>Last year, a record 168 horses were killed on Australian racetracks. And year on year, we see the horrible suffering of horses at the hands of the brutal racing industry.


>Despite this, in this year's State Budget Labor spent four times as much on the racing industry than it did on people experiencing housing stress or homelessness.


>Victorian Greens animals spokesperson, Katherine Copsey, said the Melbourne Cup was nothing more than gambling-fuelled animal cruelty.


Good fukken luck, but critical support for greens.

 No.1669878

File: 1699310283292.png (42.99 KB, 707x365, ClipboardImage.png)

From last week.

rekt.

 No.1669922

>>1668104
BASED BUT PLWASE LET THE PUBLIC HOLIDAY STAY

 No.1670256

>>1665561
They just have not received the memo yet.

 No.1670260

>>1668104
Holy shit, how can horses be dying on the race track?

 No.1670736

>>1670260
Booster shots

 No.1670751

File: 1699357922254.webm (2.59 MB, 1024x576, vid.webm)

>>1670260
>horses be dying
Pretty par for the course.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-18/slaughter-abuse-of-racehorses-undermines-industry-animal-welfare/11603834

<One worker can be seen repeatedly slamming a gate into a group of horses, another beats the horses with a hose.

<The covert cameras record horses being beaten and abused, bolted to the brain repeatedly and ineffectively killed.

 No.1670754

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>>1670260
>how can horses be dying on the race track?
I know nothing about horse racing, but probably snapping a leg and being put down, or tripping and suffering a head/neck injury.

 No.1670756

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 No.1674932

Current ZIM blockade in Sydney (Port Botany)
I'm seeing flags for:
>Palestine
>Aboriginal
>Services Union
>Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union
>Maritime Union of Australia
>United Workers Union
>The Greens
>Australian Communist Party
>Eureka flag
>…something that looks like a Cuban flag?

 No.1674935

vroom vroom!

 No.1674973

File: 1699673811391.jpg (196.81 KB, 1417x1716, MERCH.jpg)


 No.1675223

>>1674932
Oh shit, I think I saw a USSR flag in the background of the ABC coverage!

 No.1675265

>>1675223
I wonder if the Gaza invasion will boost the Greens an extra few percent in the 2025 election.

:/

 No.1675963

New thread: >>1675962


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