Just learned this is on tomorrow:>Covering up fash tags in Sydney with posters promoting the Wildcat Radical Zine Fair, which will take place on Saturday April 1st at St Peters Town Hall in Sydenham.>The event is free and will go from 10am - 4pm.
Solidarity is also holding Keep Left 2023 (https://keepleft.info
) on the 8th-9th in Glebe, Sydney. That link has a playlist of talks from past events so it will probably be recorded and uploaded if you can't attend.
Finally, reminder that the culty salties are hosting Marxism Conference on 14th-17th April in Melbourne.
Why did he get taken away?
Cool but isn't sticker posters really expensive?
How expensive can they be? Plus if it's anarchists there's a good chance they just make wheatpaste or similar.
I doubt it. I mean, there's probably some basic standard infiltration/informant attempts like with all non-liberal parties but I doubt they have enough fucks to give to waste resources leading the thing. The worst they're doing is attending protests and yelling at a nazi gym.
HUNG PARLIAMENT, BITCH.
The Legislative Assembly ('lower house') results are stable. The Liberal/National coalition has been defeated, losing 9 seats, while Labor has gained 7, leaving them 2 short of a majority. This will force them to appeal to 2 or more crossbenchers to gain majority votes against the coalition on controversial issues.
>Who's sitting on the crossbench in NSW parliament, and what they'll be asking from Laborhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/nsw-election-who-is-sitting-on-the-crossbench/102154828
There has also been a shift in the Legislative Council. While this was already hung as of 2019-2023 (Lib/Nat 17 seats, 21 needed for majority), the balance has shifted towards Labor, and the crossbench has moved significantly. If I'm reading the results correctly (they only vote in half the senate per election) and assuming they're stable enough:>Labor: 16 (+2)>Lib: 10 (-1)>Nat: 5 (-1)>Greens: 4 (+1)>Shooters,Fishers,Farmers: 1 (–)>One Nation: 2 (–)>Animal Justice: 1 (-1)>Liberal Democrats [lolberts]: 1 (+1)>Legalise Cannabis Party: 1 (+1)>Fred Nile: 0 (rekt)
This means, for example, you only need Labor, Greens and the Animal Justice guy or the Legal Weed guy in order to pass something with majority in both houses. This (in theory) gives bargaining power to Greens and other seats for issues the Coalition may oppose.
Oh, and for those wondering: (not final, but we're close)
[assemb] Socialist Alliance - 1,294 (+86). Last.
[council] Socialist Alliance - 14,238 (+1,044). Last out of Above the Line
[council] Socialist Equality Party - (they were 'Group K' on the Council ballot, and you could only vote for them in a below the line vote): 49. Second last in total, behind all the conspiracy nuts.
The assembly results can be weird, because they fielded only 2 candidates, one in Heffron (near UTS and USYD, where their headquarters/library is) and one in Newcastle, but both came last in their electorate.
They did lose by 600 to the Small Business Party (1 candidate whatsoever), by 2,500 to Public Education Party (8 candidates) who were typically the worst performing candidate, even below the lower independants. But even in their chosen hotspots, sallies also performed among the worst candidates of anywhere.
The Sallies should just fucking stop running in state elections honestly, they get smashed every time and waste so much of their limited money.
They have approximately zero presence.
Maybe it's because I'm not on a uni campus or particularly present in the activism scene, but apart from a couple of posters in the days before the election (right next to everyone else's) I don't know how they expect anyone to even know they exist. At least the salties have
a reputation, even that garbage is better than being invisible when you're registering for elections.
To compare this to say, salties who have repeatedly plastered every electrical box and every bus stop within a 5km radius of Newtown for a conference that isn't even in NSW, or even Solidarity putting posters up ahead of their conference, and similar social justice movements. I've been up near the sallies' HQ a couple of times a week because of temp work nearby and unless you happen to walk past their office and peep in, there is no other evidence of their existence in the surrounding areas.
Well, their name was mentioned in the fine print of an anti-eviction event poster, alongside literally a dozen other orgs like CPA, Food not Bombs and NSW Greens.
You have to apologize to an aboriginal person to get your labor voucher certified.
99% of the population confuses the sallies and salties. Every time the salties do something stupid, it backfires on the sallies too.
You're deluding yourself. At most, 9% of the population conflates the sallies and the salties.
90% aren't aware of either.
Why though? Why can't the Sallies seem to get it up while the Salties multiply with Solidarity and VicSoc?
If you're asking me, I don't even know what they do
There's like a 50% chance they actually exist, you know?
>>1425779>There's like a 50% chance they actually exist, you know?
Sallies are… Spooks
You should wear the mask to counter facial detection
It's so they don't spot the ASIO agents.
ABC is listing definite LC, remove 1 from Labor, add 1 to One Nation and 1 to SSF.
Because COVID still exists and keeps on evolving
"Marxism Conference" is by the cultie salties (Socialist Alternative, the organization this is about: >>1310295 )
The last time it was held in Melbourne, they kicked out and (poorly) stalked some YouTuber for having a sense of humour and interviewing a couple of cheerful attendees who took apology selfies with him afterwards. Was it as embarrassing this time?
Sallies are a social contruct.
Based if they get paid adult minimum wage.
comrade that defeats the whole purpose
So child labor is legal in NSW
I am going to vote yes for the aboriginal vote because if I don't and Labor loses then it's going to be a lose for Labor
Australians don't want losers in power so they will get kicked out
Do you think there will be a republic soon, Aussieanons?
eh, I feel a lot of people consider it a ton of work for little gain, and one less backup plan for a disastrous government.
So I don't have confidence we're leaving in the next 5 years.
Where do orgs put out calls to the public, like for protests and counterprotests? I don't feel like scouring the suburbs for posters or joining facebook.
(moi)>and one less backup plan for a disastrous government
"checks and balances" was the phrase I was looking for
Possibly, but the question is, what SORT of republic?
Go on twitter. White rose soc has most of your antifa needs. You'd probably have to get a burner FB account as most of the unions still use 'em (Boomer base). 'Strike Updates' is a good FB page. I think there's an antifa telegram somewhere.>>1429070
>>1431149>White rose soc has most of your antifa needs.
Is this an aus WR? link pls
Thank you, comrade.>We are also on Mastodon [ https://kolektiva.social/@thewhiterosesocietyau ] as a placeholder for now.
Hey, at least they had the foresight, since Twitter has been kicking more and more media outlets and journalists.
My only little gripe is that the feed is filled with US pol retweets and spectacle and arguing with literally whos.
I can filter to just show their media-attached posts https://nitter.net/WhiteRoseSocAU/media
and grab the RSS feed of it, even though that might miss out on a couple of important retweets.
well it's what you can expect from antifa types, disorganised movementist that place more emphasis on surveillance rather than confrontation
Well, it's more what I expect from unprofessional (that's not an insult) disorganized twitter accounts.
wtf I've never heard of this dude? HOW
Why don't orgs try and recruit people from leftypol? Are they unaware of this website's existence, despite being the best place to discuss leftist theory?
Because we have approximately 5 Australians in total, across multiple states. derp.
CPUSA anon at least has a potential audience of dozens or maybe a hundred.
They were cool back in the day but they left absolutely nothing behind save the Tent Embassy. But to be fair that was (and still is) the majority of the left back then. Absolutely no lasting orgs, so if you have an indigenous person with a hint of political awareness they end up going straight to the government, where the result is what you can imagine.
Here is Gary Foley's website, there's lots there, maybe you can get something out of it: http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/indexb.html
I know at the end of the day he;s a Liberal PM, but out of the Liberal PMs he was the closest to alright.
This report is downright unprofessional, it sucks. Don't get me wrong, Murdoch deserves prolonged prison violence at best. Most of what the report is saying is reasonable or true. But it's a shitty report that sounds like an extended twitter post.
… holy shit is that the same guy at 1:47 getting talked over as in this old Chaser's episode from 2007? vidrel
Wow she is body shaming those men what a sexist, racist lengthist.
I want to vote for her to make the media seethe.
>actual image of the sallies in action
Yup, I'm thinking anarchists are a better bet for action and sallies for… Idk structure?
I might have some free time in the coming weeks where I'll be in the area, I should just literally ask what their deal is and what they've recently been involved in, give them the benefit of doubt before I keep talking smack about them here.
Their site says that apart from their electoral work (apparently worthless in their home state) and their news paper, they're "active in campaigns", and focus on "seek[ing] out opportunities to work with other parties and individuals and to regroup with other forces to advance the movement for social change".
I see this as being just support glue, structure, which can be valuable but isn't where I shine. I have skills and networking isn't one of them.
I'll probably end up just adding GreenLeft's nifty events page to my feed reader and wait for something meaningful to pop up.
tell us a damn tale ye bloody mariner
ooooh that looks like it could be interesting…
I can't believe I wasted an hour watching this.>can't even pronounce Straya correctly
It has a similar system to the US where it uses the prisoners as a labour force. It is actually really crazy how they have it down, basicly work-houses.
I don't really care what your graph says anon i was just answering your question because you're to lazy to use a search engine, despite even the fact that aus has the highest percent of private prisons in the world, over double that of the USA, you should know already. no need to be a fucking prick.
that's "comrade" to you, comrade>i was just answering a joke
The problem is you took a joke seriously and you're still taking it seriously and getting angry about a joke in reply to that joke because you're too lazy or stubborn to open and read an image.>despite even the fact that aus has the highest percent of private prisons in the world
And seeing as you're bitching about them being too lazy to check the answer to their joke claim, it's fair to bitch about you not doing it either and realizing Australia is about half way down the list at around #100 (USA is #6 btw).
>no need to be a fucking prick
Well, I really feel like I do, having read your hypocritical bitchy reply. We expect a higher level of shitposting here, comrade! Take 5 and come back when you find some humour.
No wonder they're pivoting to VicSoc>meanwhile Sallie literally dying of old age>>1439837WHERE'S THE STORY CUNT?
I was one of the lads taking a photo with him, cool guy honestly and actually had a nice talk to him about socialism before the saltfags went autismo and proceeded to lolcow their organisation even further (its so great these guys are the face of the australian radical left)
The Saltie gangstalking was hilarious, this one retard was full stasi larping and really obviously following me and my mate around, doing his best to be "discrete" about it, we turned around and asked him what he was doing and he looks away going "uhhh ummm" and walks off. If they just didn't react like spergs Lewis wouldent have made a bit out of them, and the only content he woulda had was making fun of the half dozen proud boys there.
Atleast I got to steal some shit from their library, fun day.
Should have called them an Stalinist NKVD supporter.
oh right that's why i didn't go to work today
no, and fuck all the troops since 1945, as well as many of the ones before then too
Yeah, but I had to take a shit in the bush.
I usually do go
But this year I realised that the ceremony would feature a shit tone of obnoxious Ukraine worship and I was like "yeah nah fuck this"
Are Australians literal barbarians or something? I see so much racist shit from them it’s kinda shocking.
They are reactoid colonizer scum.
Only if you're a woman.
no he's a reactionary croat that puts economics rather than politics in command
I'm all for giving aboriginals a bigger say, but the bill is a bit too vague as of right now. I'm also sympathetic to the argument that it's being used in such a way that it would push abbos away from a more genuine form of self-determination.
I'm vooting yes but not expecting much.
No to express my disapproval for the ALP.
Mappy Hay Day cunts
Hell yeah comrade.
lol there's a segment live on ABC news about cars ramming into shops with class windows in NT over the May Day long weekend.
Business Owners be cryin on tv
>>1451359>Business Owners be cryin on tv
If this americanisation of politics is not welcome here then why are they allowed to do this Mr Daniel Andrews
I remember well the time I witnessed peacefully protesting climate activists get assaulted and pepper sprayed because they got in the way of you hobnobbing with mining interests over what was it a 10,000 $$ a pop dinner?
And I remember how quickly police banged the doors of lockdown protestors
If it has no place here then why don't you do
something about it which we all know you can
Dandrews is [fill the blank].
keating rules man, just absolutely shitting on the sorry excuse for 'press' in this country. why is it every 'journalist' in this country is a complete coward establishmentarian, and really annoying about it? the last guy was literally trembling the moment he bought up the wiggers libshit like an anxious kid during assembly. zero steel or confidence. they must be giving out press licences to any wimp so long as they don't report on any atual issues until they have an opportunity to be a bunch of sharks when those with principles get in hot water.
I hadn't seen him speaking before and assumed he was just another pollie, but we went to town on the press who deserved it and had mostly solid takes the whole way through. mfw the Sky News reporter comes up and he just gives her shit for being a sky reporter at the end. on ya paul.
tt's a miracle that, after years of getting wrecked by keating on question time, australia decided howard would make a good prime minister.
in all seriousness (i'm being serious actually) though, despite the ALP not in fact being 'just as bad as the liberals' keating really wasn't that spectacular as pm. by virtue of not being a lib/country hack he was automatically better than 99% of them and could actually govern, but like all members of the labor right does little for me as a communist. as a character though he's pretty baller and i'd have him again just for the insults.
There's national security laws on the books against this that the burgers forced on us to keep China out and here's a burgereich just openly admitting they do it and want to publicise it
Why not just keep up the pretence for the pwecious r00l of l4w? Hunh
SIX FIGURE SALARY MAYBE EVEN SEVEN FIGURE SALARY BURGEREICH VOLK PEEPS
They actually think they earn their salary I bet you
So anyway which presinut 2024 burgereich
The literal Nazi Pedo or The rapist Nazi
Take your bets
Polls are looking good for the rapist Nazi right now but I think the literal Nazi Pedo will clinch it even if there have to be how to vote signs inside voting booths in Blak neighboorhoods
lol someone just got kicked out of the chamber. the house is just shitposting today and I was wondering how long until someone got booted.
>>1461002>every fascist i don't like is a nazi!
read a book you baby. stop pretending you need to call them both nazis to make them any more revolting.
My apologies the literal Nazi Pedo vs the rapist fascist
Thank you, now I can tell which is which!
Crakkkeroid colonizer nation
I had no idea how bad it was. Zinoviev and no Marx??
It's Trots, what do you expect?
Their article on the Collapse of the USSR is funnier though as in one section they are decrying the KPD and SPD not forming a united-front due to the COMINTERN's "ultra-left" third revolutionary period theory and then decrying the COMINTERN for forming united-fronts in other countries after the Nazi's came to power.
And there is pure nonsense like "Gorbachev's course toward reform was based on holding the Communist party together. ". Ol Gorby undermined the party with every move and was trying to turn himself from party general secretary into state president when Yeltsin stole a march.
>>1464252>It's Trots, what do you expect?
Isn't that SAlt?
They are both Trot groups.
He's a neo-nazi ring leader and got pepper sprayed for trying to punch on with cops. He also got crumpled by a can of soup
>>1464243>clicks first link>"Video: Reading Marx's Capital with David Harvey — Vols 1 & 2"
[7 news report]>[after being protected ofc] "The nazis were given an ultimatum: remove their face coverings and leave the city, or stay and face arrest. They left, and later reported to police that tires on their cars had been slashed.
That's a promising sign that this is better than just throwing bottles and getting arrested. 6/10 - not bad, room for improvement. At least smash the windscreen or engrave a swastika on their cars to track them easily.
If we happen to have any Melbournites here, this account has a bunch of face photos and car license plates, alongside some fun footage, so be sure to share them around:https://nitter.net/aaronantifash12/media>>1464410>>1464912
oh and for those wondering about Yemini.
SA was a merger of two Trot groups. They might be "non-sectarian" now but the Trotskyism is still in their theory papers on their site. SAlt is just the cultish Trots.
Anyone got footage of Avi getting bonked?
idk, He's posted a clip from his POV in a trailer vid but it's just a camera shaking when he gets bonked.
>>1465142>but the Trotskyism is still in their theory papers on their site.
I've met more MLs in the Sallies than Trots. Maybe that's just my area…
Non-culty Trots just seem like non-sectarian Marxists unless you get them talking about certain topics.Most of academic Marxism is permeated by Trotskyist background radiation.
The sallies had a brief alliance with sections of the CPA (new one not old one) at one point so it's not surprising but the Trotskyite trend seems to be the main one
Oh well, not many culty ones in my local if they are there which is nice.
Bad because it brings more labour into the workforce which increases competition, strenghtens the position of the bourgeoisie. Weakens the position of the proletariat. And it takes kids out of their otherwise free exeistence, basically socialized production in school/time off. Would be even worse if eventually the work is expected of them.
>>1470247<Now aged 14 and 13, both girls still work at the factory, which they credit with giving them real-world skills that would be otherwise hard to acquire.
🤣. Selling your own children into slavery
>>1470253>work at the factory, which they credit with giving them real-world skills that would be otherwise hard to acquire
I love my job creator! thank you for your generous gift boss!
I happily crit the sallies, but wsws is an infantile disorder, at least this author is.https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/05/13/mzif-m13.htmlAustralia: At Port Kembla protest, unions and pseudo-left set a nationalist trap for anti-war sentiment>[…]>Underscoring this provincial orientation, South Coast Labour Council (SCLC) secretary Arthur Rorris declared “They want to conscript our region into their war machine but we will not have a bar of it.”>[…]>The SCLC, a peak body representing unions on the New South Wales (NSW) south coast, organised the rally in collaboration with Wollongong Against War and Nukes (WAWAN), which is closely associated with the pseudo-left Socialist Alliance.
There's a reason why the SEP is barred from pickets
Are they actually?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-21/tea-most-popular-beverage-after-water/102260704>Running low on silver to buy tea, the British agreed to trade opium for tea, triggering a Chinese public health crisis.
Expect better accuracy from a state broadcaster
This is such a gross misinterpretation of the Opium Wars that it isn't even funny.
>The British Agreed to trade opium for tea>Forced Opium to open up the Chinese Markets to the British>Fought two wars against the Chinese to keep Opium from being banned, as it caused a health crisis in the Qing Empire.
I hate historic revisionism like this that makes me so pissed off as a historian.
They take an ultra leftist position which rejects trade unions as economistic. Suffice to say, not many of the delegates nor members of any union are too keen to listen to a newspaper-wielding trot tell them to cease struggling against foul wages or engineered stone and to instead struggle for their own brand of socialism.
god only 20 seconds in and its absolute bullshit
i wasnt even alive in the cold war and I know that MAD was far more intense than a few fucking submarines and jets
>>1473611>the chain of islands crucial to maintaining democracy in the region
China is a one-party republic
Vietnam is a one-party republic
Laos is a one-party republic
Cambodia is a considered a dominant-party constitutional monarchy, "Cambodia has been described as a de facto one-party state."
Singapore is considered a dominant-pary republic.
Thailand is a constitutional monarchy, considered "semi-democratic", where you can be imprisoned for years or decades for criticizing the king.
Let's check out the Democracy Index yes, it's appropriate to cite lib surveys in this context
for the rest of the region. "Flawed democracy" is 7.99 or less.
Taiwan - 8.99 - [suddenly boosted from 7.73 in 2019]
Japan - 8.33 [suddenly boosted from 7.99 in 2019]
South Korea - 8.03
Malaysia - 7.30
Philippines - 6.73
Indonesia - 6.71
Thailand is a 6.67 btw
not looking like there's much "democracy in the region"
Considering the past it is a step up.
So? What's your point?
I am just saying, saying the absolute democracy in the region is low to mock the broadcaster miss the nuanced changes the region underwent.
Imagine shitting on unions while at
The Salt trots are back in Sydney for August.https://www.socialismsydney.com/about/
>closing panel is "Why you should be a socialist today"
Preaching to the choir, much? The conference is called Socialism.
There's also a Perth one this year.
How the fuck do Trots put out so many events tho?
The bourgeoisie pay for them
have you seen
their ticket prices?
Symbolic gesture, could do more harm than good, paternalistic police presence, romantic "de-colonialism" with no substance. No treaty, no vote. Stop siding with labor.
Trotskyite conventions are held for profit
Comrade Sparrow isn't looking too healthy there…
I'm going to throw out a hypothesis on why the literal Nazis failed to recruit all the suposed far right conspiracy theorists from the much neglected outer suburbs
It's because those so called far right conspiracy theorists aren't exactly that They're more a bunch of normies and conspiracy theories are normal in this current world because conspiracy facts are commonShould have just thrown Pfeizer under the bus where it belonged and licenced the Chinese or Cuban vaccines
now vaccine hesitancy is normal good job breaking it morons**
Anyway what standing does the grognard have for calling out the black sun symbol without apologising for studiously ignoring it being all over the Ukrainian army and paramilitaries
>>1476520>My biggest issue is that you manipulate people and are dishonest about your intentions and operating model.>You approach people at rallies who are new to politics and start what is made to seem like a genuine personal conversation. You don't tell them that this is a planned tactic to recruit them to your political party. If that's your intention, you should say that upfront when you approach people at rallies. It is unethical not to do so. Stop pretending that you personally care about somebody when you actually have an undisclosed ulterior motive, like some kind of Marxist fuckboy.>You create front groups and use other methods to obfuscate your involvement in campaigns. You hold public meetings and other forums that are made to appear as though ordinary attendees have real decision making power, even though the meetings are designed so that the outcomes are controlled by Socialist Alternative. Instead, you should make clear that suggestions that don't align with Socialist Alternative are not going to pass at these meetings, when this is the case. All campaigns that Socialist Alternative has a controlling amount of influence in (CARF, VicSocs, USCJ, various stupol tickets, et cetera) should disclose that in all promotional material, such as by putting a SAlt logo on posters and flyers and such.
My second problem is your lack of solidarity, in that you never support any cause outside your Party except as a means to promote the Party.>You have been told year after year that you are not welcome to promote your Party or sell newspapers and merchandise at Invasion day rallies. Every year you do it anyway, and you don't even give a cut back to Pay the Rent. This is Aboriginal land, but clearly you don't respect that one bit, since you're not willing to honour their space even one day a year. Instead, you should show up to Invasion Day events and leave your fucking newspapers and merchandise at home. Don't promote your Party at these events, just support the Aboriginal struggle as the Aboriginal organisers have asked.>When you organise counter protests against the far right, such as Posie Parker, NSN and others, you prioritise whatever will bolster your party the most, instead of what will most effectively disrupt that event. I understand your ideology opposes direct action and instead proposes that the resistance to the far right should be by building a single socialist Party and taking power through revolution. The problem is that many people who participate in CARF do actually want to take direct action against the far right and value that more than they value your Party. CARF rallies are organised in a way that divert people away from the direct action that many would rather participate in. Honestly, I think it's pretty disgusting that when the far right are going after trans people and people of colour, your mostly white and cis party sees it as a recruitment opportunity before anything else. That's fucked up. Instead, you should make it clear to participants that the objective of your rally is to build power for your party, not to take direct action against the far right threat, so that they at least have the opportunity to try and join or organise another response that is more aligned with their goals. Better yet, you could just deprioritise your fucking Party for just a moment and support other groups' efforts to disrupt far right organising.>Bonus third complaint - You actively disrupt organising by other groups. Back in the heyday of Extinction Rebellion, your party decided that it would infiltrate XR, take it over and shut it down. Fortunately, you only managed to do this to a few groups on universities. As much as Extinction Rebellion has its many problems, people should be able to do left wing organising independent of your Party without having to constantly worry about whether SAlt is going to fuck with it. Instead, if you have suggestions for how another group should organise, you should contact them, making sure to let them know that you're from Socialist Alternative, share your experience, and let them decide whether or not they want to take it on board.
Running stalls is good. Approaching people to recruit them is fine, depending on how you do it. >Recruiting students is good.>It's not so much jealousy that you're the biggest group but frustrating that the most prominent org on the left is so awfully behaved. When people's only experience of "socialism" is being lied to and harassed by SAlt, they associate the entire left with that bad experience. That's exacerbated by the way that SAlt encourage people to believe that socialism and Socialist Alternative are synonymous.>Your ideology also does suck, but that's forgivable except maybe that it's the motivator for all the dodgy shit listed above. I'm totally for left unity and I wouldn't hate a group just because they're the wrong kind of socialist.
Anon went for the throat
You may not like it, but this is what peak punk looks like.
I didn't even know there were that many people in the subreddit.
I've seen the SAlt question asked before but they've outdone themselves this time. Bravo.
I had no idea they ran so many front groups.
Damn, I've even donated and helped out with some. I'll have to reconsider…
this is something apparently a lot of parties across the world do. wish I could go but am abroad rn
I notice that MWM is in the OP but not Independent Australia? Why is that? In my experience they're pretty similar sources and I think IA would be a far better fit than Crikey.
I wish I could too, but I'm too old (26)
A Socialist Alternative recruiter worked out today.
I mean, you're officially not too old for the event.>Eligibility: Full or probational members of the CPA aged 18-29.
>>1476523>Back in the heyday of Extinction Rebellion, your party decided that it would infiltrate XR, take it over and shut it down
bringe or cased
Not sure which
XR did nothing wrong
What's wrong with Crikey?
lmao no they didn't
Not that anon but Independent Australia is basedhttps://independentaustralia.net/
Vol plox add to OP?
Yeah they did.At the library.
Why do you think the drug tests the coppers use don't detect it
It's a simple manufacturers setting to turn detection on I think
i dont even understand why you would type that out. it makes no sense.
Indonesian foreign policy think tank live now having a yarn about Albo
>>1483199>Accidental Death of an Anarchist
Certified /leftypol/ mandatory watching list.
Somebody post Allende clip plz. new harddrive.
How does anyone still fucking believe in the "hard work" when it's so poorly defined? What does "hardness" even mean?
because they look at people who are on their phone or just half-assing work and think that their extra effort makes them better and deserving of more money, rather than dumber
>>1490279>What does "hardness" even mean?
Imagine living under Benito ᴉuᴉlossnW's rule. Imagined?
Now multiply it by 10.
>>1488181>Supported by: Australian Retailers Association
Why the fuck is news.com.au the only one putting out hits recently?
Even socialist zines can't compete.
haha you can't make this shit up
Unions wouldn't exist without capitalism. If you think unions want to get rid of capitalism, you are delusional.
That's like saying nobody could ever possibly want to murder their own parents. And yet it happens.
Not at all. Unions in Australia are grifters that pretend they are helping the poor when they are just making lawyers rich.
Honestly makes me optimistic that people aren't buying the "communism is equally bad" meme.
if you consider /r/australia to be representative of the general public, sure
These guys publish a lot online. Do they do anything IRL?https://cpaml.org/
Short answer is no. They used to though.
Australia is the only country on earth to have both Ustase and Chetnik memorials.
Arthritis is a bitch innit
They could do with some young blood
Revisionism, chauvinism, cult of the individual is/was endemic with CPA (ML). This crushed them into irelevancy more than any bodily illness.
POST PREDICTIONS FOR THE 3 CANNABIS BILLS TODAY
The based retards blocked the traffic again lol
an ABC news reporter talking about the embassy just unironically said "this russian braves the harsh canberra winter"
is this person just not aware of where russia is?>>1504645
Numismatists on suicide watch.
If you don't know who Clarrie O'Shea is then you have no right to call yourself a Communist in Australia
Hey just wanted some work advice. Should i be paid for public holidays if my contract (part time) doesn't say i work these specific days but rather says 32hrs a week?
Work's saying that I shouldn't get kings birthday pay cuz i didnt work then despite me working everyday but thursday (Kings Birthday fell on a Monday) every week.
>>1513808>getting legal advice on an imageboard
you got a union?
You need to go back to Reddit with that IDPOL
Do they support a Palestinian Voice in the parliament of Israel?
They're bundists you fucking moron they are literally anti-zionists jesus fucking christ.
So do they support a Palestinian Voice in the parliament of Israel?
Yes you fucking mong
most honest Australian
we could have fucking been a scandinavian socdem already…>inb4 nooo 4/10 is worse than 1/10 !
Gun to your head, you must join either Greens or Labor. What shall you choose
When you put a gun to my head, you give a question that takes more than 0.5 seconds to think about. Like Greens or Socialist Alternative.
I picked labor because there's a better chance of taking over the country with that one
How do you plan to 'take over the country' by joining the government party? I can't imagine them shifting left, being more likely to just kick you and other radicals unless you roll a 20. At least a bigger Greens party could force negotiations leftward. Plus, the Greens have a (within the last twenty years) precedent of more radical factions, like NSW Greens's former Left Renewal.
And when you say join, do you mean as a regular member or are we assuming we become a sitting politician?
Of course, I know little of each party apart from their policies and how they vote, so don't take my word for it.
(19 days old)CPA - Communist Youth Camp an inspiring successhttps://cpa.org.au/guardian/issue-2058/communist-youth-camp/
(for proxy-blocked users) https://web.archive.org/web/20230629120814/https://cpa.org.au/guardian/issue-2058/communist-youth-camp/>Skye, who attended the camp says the talk helped everyone learn more about youth activism.
>“It really showed how we have to approach youth activism from within communities rather than without,” they said.
>“We talk a lot about how we need to show that we come from the workers rather than preach to them, but we often fail that in practice, and nowhere more than when it comes to youth and social movements.
>“We educate ourselves on how to be communists in the workplace; we seldom dig through the literature that the speakers found on how to be communists in our community organisations, like sporting and arts clubs.”
>Christian, another attendee of the camp says it was a great experience and a success.
>“I thought the camp was encouraging, inspiring and refreshing,” he says. “It was clear that everyone who participated enjoyed it a lot, that many people learned a lot and got lots out of it, and that it is an important initiative that should be made into a regular event.”I want to see what mainstream media or alt-right crap would whine about with this camp, just for kicks. Probably just something about groomin da kidz and gommie infidration
Regular member and begin the cut throat climb to the top seems to be the best chance
I don't see any chance with the greens for any real effective change, you get the radicalism but the base is rich urban liberals and that shapes the end result any victories they get they get with or without me and then they hit their limits Gossip on the grapevine is that a lot of greens get mentored by older Liberal politicians of the wetter sort
I see a small minuscule chance with labor of getting somewhere further
Presuming burgerland continues imploding apace
Hey remember that time we reenacted 300
but with ANZACs and Wehrmacht, but kind of did the exact opposite of the Spartans?
Is the whole ANZAC experience in Europe just retreating?
I just don't see how Labor is much different, hell I'm not even confident they're less urban or lib.
Most of the activists and paid giggers are
The rank and file and base isn't at least not as much as the greens
That's the closest thing to leverage I can see within the bourgeois dictatorship
If burgerland really weakens there's a chance we could pull a Whitlam for real and proper this time
Based Dictator Dan canceled the cringe Commonwealth games.
Based.>history and theory of socialist governance by Roland Boer, a CPA member who is an academic teaching Marxist philosophy at the School of Philosophy at Renmin University of China in Beijing.
Never heard of this guy, what's he famous for? Most "Marxist" academics in Australia are libs that LARP as lefitsts. His move to China was wise.
Most notable book he's written is called "Red Theology." He wasn't Party of the CPA until he moved to China
>>1540377>He wasn't Party of the CPA until he moved to China
Why did he wait? Career suicide?
I forgot to mention perhaps his most famous book - "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Foreigners Introduction" >>1541569
He mentions it in this vid (towards the end), he was working with some CPC cadre and calling them "comrade," one member said "only when you are a party member, I can call you comrade."
Why do ML's have absolutely zero drip
Anon actually being a normie is the best way to organize normies.
They should be wearing hammer and sickle armbands and carrying frames of Mao Zedong.
Here, at least, a bunch are autists, others spend their money on other stuff and the rest are more concerned with other things.
Is that why they've organised a total of 13 people in the 21st century.
Suppression is pretty hard, union rules against communists although those have eased. A ban on members of communist organisations participating in the labor party.
At this point the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger and joined the CPA is because I have the connections and skill set to at least try and pull a Whitlam no I wouldn't be the Whitlam guy you egocentric retards reading
that actually succeeds this time because the seppos are weakened and irrelevant enough.
What's your excuse? I know your tendency isn't doing any better.
Dripping is a capitalist delusion.
Real uyghas cold lamp in their trackies and a shitty sweater. Water from the hydrant, electricity from the street and clothes from your cousin, or the dumpster of a mall.
just steal clothes from stores retard their is absolutely no reason to be going dumpster diving
does getting no pussy increase your revolutionary potential as well?
>>1556374>Does this board realise how bad this esafety shit across the western world is and how little it's about protecting the chilluns?
Life is to short to waste campaigning on such a ultimately meaningless issue and I only use TOR so i don't care.
It is not happening in america so the internet does not and will not care.
>>1556374>I've never seen any lefttard complain about the expansion of horrific open surveillance and turning the entire internet into a mega honeypot
Anon we say this all the time (what the fuck do you think the glowie meme is about), we just don't bother sperging about it because what the fuck are we gonna do about it
Most leftists are probably either old enough or intelligent enough to realise it is too late and society in general doesn't care. Assange is still in prison for publishing leaks.
What I did learn was that liberals were completely two faced about state surveillance. I was bought up with tales of how bad the STASI were for listening to peoples calls. Turns out automated computerised surveillance just isn't something liberals actually care about (unless China is doing it).
/pol/tards only care because they'll get vanned when they say the n-word.
>>1562391>87% upvoted (thousands)>[removed]>top comment and replies: [removed]>fourth top comment and replies: [removed]>fifth top comment and replies: [removed]
yep, reddit still garbage
Damn I thought this was burgerpunk for a sec
It was a good run.
Go but dress like an undercover cop to give them the thrill of being a threat to capital.
sadly it still passed by a large margin
Did any youtubers show up this time and cause them to sperg out???
West Papua is the western half of New Guinea, the world’s second-largest island. It lies 250 kilometres north of Australia and is one the thousands of South Pacific islands collectively known as ‘Melanesia’. West Papua is one of the most remarkable places on Earth. Its rainforest is second in size only to the Amazon, and contains species like the bird of paradise and the tree kangaroo. It is home to tribal people whose culture stretches back tens of thousands of years. The West Papuans live in 250 tribes, each with its own language and culture.
West Papua used to be part of the Dutch East Indies. After World War II, the Dutch Empire became the new nation of Indonesia. But the Dutch argued that West Papua had never been part of Indonesia and had an entirely different culture and history. West Papua declared independence on 1st December 1961 - but the Indonesian army invaded three months later. Although the international community intervened, Western governments, led by the USA, chose to appease Indonesia and accept its occupation rather than risk a political crisis that might encourage the spread of communism in South East Asia. In 1969, the UN presided over a referendum on independence that was clearly a sham. The Indonesian occupiers announced that the Papuans were too ‘backward’ to cope with democracy, and 1026 ‘representative’ Papuans were rounded up and forced at gunpoint to vote to join Indonesia. This was called, ironically, the 'Act of Free Choice’.
Since its annexation the people of West Papua have suffered constant misery. Over 500,000 people have died as a direct result of the Indonesian occupation. Much of their land has been taken by the state and given to national and multinational companies for mining, logging or oil extraction. Non-violent dissent has been criminalised: anyone who calls for independence, raises the Papuan flag or publicly questions the legitimacy of Indonesian rule can be imprisoned. Tens of thousands of Indonesian soldiers are stationed in West Papua, and regularly torture, rape and murder Papuan leaders, activists and civilians.
West Papua is a closed society. All foreign journalists are banned. Human rights groups, lawyers, foreign politicians and even tourists are either banned from entering Papua or restricted to small areas where they are closely monitored by the police. As a result, the world hears little about the horror that goes on there day after day.
The Papuans have been denied one of the fundamental rights in the UN International Charter of Human Rights - ‘self-determination’, the right to choose their own government and national status. Every representative Papuan organisation is now calling for a re-run of the 1969 ‘Act of Free Choice’ – this time as a genuine referendum on independence, in which all Papuans get the chance to vote.
Papuans brave enough to call for independence put their lives at risk. Independence leaders are arrested, tortured and murdered. Even demonstrating peacefully can be fatal. The Papuans need outside help and international support if they are to succeed in their struggle for ‘Merdeka’ – freedom.https://www.freewestpapua.org/
>>1575534>Merdeka’ – freedom
Which is an Indonesian word.
its also papuan malay which is the lingua franca of the coastal regions of west papua and a creole hybrid language formed during contact
Brain be composting.
Yes or no because fuck Albo?
Nothing, leave it blank
that invalidates the vote btw, there is no 'third option' kek, but it does count to fulfilling 'compulsory voting'
If you are planning to invalid, write an X and then hope that there is drama over the X issue
pay the fine for not vooting
ACP or CPA(ML)?
you mean the maoist one?
Make up your own damn mind
I was hoping anons had thoughts about them as it is hard to find much solid info. I'm just trying to find a party that is not culty and actually does things.
There's a bit of info online, I would start by reading the programmes of both parties. The CPA (ML) has a bit of history to it so there's a bit more information on it. Depending where you are, the ACP is pretty easy to get contact with if you just go to one of their street kitchens.
I've read the programmes on their web sites but it is hard to get a feel for the orgs. There has been a little on reddit but most seems to be on Twitter and searching that is dog shit as 80% of the results are reactionaries screeching that Albo is a commie.
just get in touch and talk to some members
No because it's racist. It's brainworms that make so-called leftists think introducing more racism is a good idea.
>>1593197>It has also emerged he was a member of the local pistol club and had won shooting awards.>Bowles then fled, shooting at a car […] the driver was unharmed.>At least one police car was shot at during the incident
I guess it's not too hard to win a shooting award in aus.
firebombed hazard reduction
I haven't watched that video because it seems like such clickbait, I can hardly believe that some YT multimillionaire poseur is really that much of a threat to the system
His house really was burnt down.
how did he even get doxxed in the first place?
Thought it was public due to an offensive Italian stereotype suing him.
Anyway as long as you know the the rough location someone lives you can just spend your time pawing through the relevant electoral roll until you find their address. Or hire a PI. Or have dodgy friends with access to government digital databases.
He isn’t exactly a private and anonymous figure.
>>1600095>has the conservative position been exaggerated by conservative media
i dont care
That is fuck all people. Just look at all the cookers have anti-vax/lockdown rallies during COVID. They were a tiny minority.
There is no 'no' campaign. The yes campaign needs to convince us to change. Until the yes campaign tells us what they want to do, apart from adding some vague shit in the constitution, there is no 'no' campaign.
Polls suggest No is winning.
I'm having trouble watching the vid, can you reupload via webm/mp4 ITT?
NTC, cheers mate.
Channel 7 had even worse coverage than 9, who were casual as fuck about it but at least mentioned they were neo-nazis. And that the antifascists
If you aren't white you are not Australian
who cares lol
sign aside, that is the dumbest person at the protest.
What a fucking pig.. just leave it at home you actual simpletons you're getting every one nicked with your unchecked ego.
Why are you always bursting into threads angry? Take a minute, comrade.
This is a public community protest against neo-nazis, nothing controversial or anti-state. The protest organizers themselves are taking photos (you know, the ones posted). No-one is throwing cans of soup, no-one is hiding their identity, no-one is getting nicked. The whole point is publicity, and that makes cameras not only ok from an operational security perspective, but actively aiding the protest.
>>1609270<if t hey swear at me and call me an idiot it must mean they are angry
American. lol. That is how normal people speak, unlike in america if you are an idiot and do retard and dangerous things people will call you one.>This is a public community protest against neo-nazis, nothing controversial or anti-state.> No-one is throwing cans of soup, no-one is hiding their identity, no-one is getting nicked.
Imagine thinking the pigs care.
Look. Unless you are a child we both know out of shot will be police teams combing through, collecting these pictures, identifying the participates and using that to index, spy and harass them.
Stop pretending so naive anon we are both old enough to have gone through this many times and see how the reality unfolds. The state does not care if you were doing violence or not, the state cares that you are politically engaged.
That's not how normal people speak, comrade. That's how /pol/tards speak. Being constantly
aggressive in every thread is not healthy.>American
Which thread do you think we're in mate?
>Look. Unless you are a child we both know out of shot will be police teams combing through, collecting these pictures[blah blah blah forensics]
Look. Unless you are a teen we both know police and/or feds will be taking their own photos, flying surveillance drones, deploying StingRays, using the photos the protest hosts uploaded
,, etc. etc. etc. at a publicly advertised protest. There is literally nothing secret about that event or its participants. Anyone who wishes to keep their activism a secret won't be there, or has already failed. A person taking photos on their phone doesn't give them any new information. It's therefore harmless in context, like spitting into a trashcan.
Yes, there definitely are protests where it's actively horrible to take photos at. A non-violent mass community protest saying something as non-controversial as 'fuck off nazis' is not it. Everyone should be taking photos in that one.
If you don't agree, give us a counter-example of how a participant taking a photo/video like that would be useful to police, who already have all the other surveillance methods at their disposal.
>the state cares that you are politically engaged
The state cares if you are threatening the state.
Even the state itself thinks
(and that's all that really matters!) they're anti-nazi. It might as well be a 'pedophiles fuck off' protest, it's normal to reject nazis.
if your operations security model relies on every person in a public mass protest leaving their phone at home, you're already fucked
RAFFWU are finally getting traction. They're organising a Coles/Woolworths strike this weekend. https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/woolworths-coles-employee-strike/
How can we get jobs at the Coles and Woolworths with RAFFWU strikers? We can make the next strike big if we can get leftists jobs at RAFFWU hotspots. If you happen to work in these places, please try and get leftists jobs there.
I was thinking about the gay marriage referendum and I realised an obvious truism
Most people knew a gay person or someone they thought was gay
It was easy to empathise with them and understand why they should vote yes
Meanwhile I do not know a single aboriginal and I've never even met one before
I don't really know what this means to aboriginals and so why should I care?
Did the government have ABC stories about aboriginal lives on their main channel? Did they have people talking about what the voice would mean to them?
It seems to me that aboriginals are so distant from most Australian lives that the referendum is unsuitable for this kind of issue
My dad didn't care about gay marriage but now he's ranting constantly about aboriginals taking away land and forcing him to pay to use beaches
Why should he bother doing his own research?
the what now??
I know two aboriginals and they both say to vote no cuz "Fuck that, it's assimilation. Treaty first."
I saw posters in my city from Black People's Union calling for a no vote.
It's one of those shitty questions where there are so many reasons to vote each way, such that only an insane person would try to extrapolate any attitudes from the result.
one too many disco biscuits back in the day
Gay marriage was also assimilation. Completely pointless.
Gays do not constitute a nation, retard. Comparing the two referendums is a braindead take.
the founder of SEP and WSWS is literally a haute bourgeois
I don't see how it would exclude a treaty in the future
That's the point though, it is a marginal, symbolic effort put forth by the Labor party. It's basically a nation wide vote on whether we have to do the acknowledgement of country. We all know it doesn't fucking do anything and it's a total virtue signal. Furthermore, it comes complete with grog bans, more paternalistic social workers and police in your indigenous community because we McCare (tm).
I called this when it was first announced. Modern "progressive" activists are just completely fucking shit at doing actual politics in real life. They didn't get enough support in the Indigenous community before pushing this, and have been completely flat-footed in response to the very obvious lines of attack from the No camp.
Anti-vax cookers are better organisers.
>>1627306>poling or allowing anyone but the actual natives to vote on this
fucking aus. this is cringe.
I thought gay marriage was a referendum
Gay marriage was easy to understand. Do we allow gays to marry?
This voice shit is so vague nobody can explain it. If it passes, Albo will just pick people that agree with him to sit on the Voice.
it's a long term tactical move, like the anti corruption commissions that keep taking out libtard white collar criminals. labor gets an independant body that will hand regular red cards to the liberal government next time the corporate media hands the libs a decade in office and the ABC immediately forgets labor exists.>>1627611
doesn't help that that cooker lidia thorpe walked the greens voters into a "progressive" no and the green party refuses to counter-signal her because they exist solely for fake nimby activism and to block labor from making policy.
>>1629437>doesn't help that that chef lidia thorpe walked the greens voters into a "progressive" no
There is literally nothing wrong with this, if true.
it plays well to radicals but blocking a representative body to appeal to the sovcit pseudolegal conspirtard babble about the un and the constitution that's endemic on facebook isn't putting housing, schools, electricity, and broadband into remote communities. successfully blocking the referendum will energise the worst people you know, and set race relations back for decades. the truth is the "progressive" no is really an accelerationist no, but only accelerates the process of marginalising the most marginalised people in australia through dispossession for mining interests and racist interventions by law enforcement.
You're jumping through hoops to defend business as usual parliamentarism. To pretend that "the left" in this country can intervene on this issue is living in a fantasy land. No treaty, no vote.
if you live on wurundjeri or bunerong land they're both calling for people to vote yes. people that think a treaty will show up if the referendum tanks are living in la-la land. lidia thorpe can get a commentator role on sky if her no campaigning accidentally succeeds. I don't know what the other "progressive" no campaigners have for an exit strategy.
>>1631069>and set race relations back for decades
Accepting worthless bargaining sure will. Send then back until they give us something of value.
I'm not even set on holding out for a treaty or anything, just something that isn't worthless.>the truth is the "progressive" no is really an accelerationist no
Not really, and I would be glad to admit if it was by the way.
It's a 'actually give us something we want or we'll fuckin do it again' no. Only a cuckold would accept a voice with no power.>lidia thorpe can get a commentator role on sky if her no campaigning accidentally succeeds
are you deranged or just pretending to be?
>>1631376> actually give us something we want
you don't want basic federal representation for land councils? are you fucked in the head? what checks and balances do we have against the coal and gas industry? fucking none. what do we have against precious metal mines that the americans are going to want for integrated circuits and nukes? I don't think AUKUS gives us a choice.>or we'll fuckin do it again
do what? honestly what? the activism is as invisible as the news is shocking. anything would be a good thing as long as it starts faster than all the fucking mining deals (and worse) we're locked in for.
Guys I'm a fence sitter, what are you guys voting AND WHY?
I'm not aus but I don't understand why people would not vote Yes for this thing, minimal reform is better than no reform, opposing it just because it's not exactly what you want is dumb
All of the porkies and celebrities are telling you to vote Yes. Do you really want to be on porky's side?
the far right ran a campaign of "if you don't know vote no" which dovetailed with a far right conspiracist misinfo campaign on social media and a far left movement based on spreading misinfo about the legal implications spearheaded by a former greens senator who somehow managed to be too much of a narcissistic cunt for the greens. this made the greens disavow the voice despite it being their own policy since around 2011 (but they also just block labor and refuse to campaign for shits and gigs). there's also no confidence in indigenous land councils because aboriginal politics are based on consensus so the black radicals and uncle merv the natural living man both get to claim that representative bodies don't represent the community under tribal law. the lefty pinko ABC is actually stacked with liberal party wets who say that labor is doing it wrong and then refuse to elaborate. this all opens a wide margin for middle Australia to give in to prejudice with a clean conscience.
there's been an informal tent embassy outside federal parliament as long as I've been alive and the inaction is a national embarrassment. there is no noble reason to play obstructionist politics around letting them in the building, just self defeating cynicism.>>1632616
not being able to comment with substance is the reason the left in this country is a joke.
I voted Yes but not because I really care about the Aboriginals
What is the result? is The Voice finally going to be banned? not aus, sorry.
I understand why conservatives are voting no but I can't understand why any supposed liberal or left winger is.
you need to stop thinking rationally and understand the political machine: "lefty" groups make space for their messaging by obstructionist tactics. they block progress and lie on corporate channels that are desperate to hit Labor in the youth vote. they pulled this shit after the 2007 election and delayed action on climate change by a decade and a half.
It's a good start. After that we need a Voice for rural Australians, a Voice for recent immigrants, a Voice for older Australians, etc.
It will be canceled and be replaced with Australian Idol
>>1632999>Voice for rural Australians
>a Voice for recent immigrants
>a Voice for older Australians
Voted no. Sorry everyone, Labor deserves to be punished for pushing a soft liberal, confused campaign that offers no tangible material benefit for Indigenous people. Everyone is revealing their hidden parliamentarism by supporting Labor at this economic juncture and for their hypocrisy by pushing this campaign while refusing to condemn Israel. Call me "accelerationist" I don't give a fuck.
What a hero, I'm sure the indigenous will thank you for ensuring they don't get the slightest representation
Yep, parliamentarism on display. There is merely formal representation. It is false, you are a state-capitalist in draping yourself in radical clothes. This effort will be soundly defeated and Labor completely embarrassed. Which means people will again turn to towards the economic conditions.
They have Jacinta Price and Lidia Thorpe already
>>1633235>the left is at its strongest when left wing efforts are constantly defeated
I'm not a social democrat.
It was an LNP idea in the beginning
I voted no not to "punish labor" but because the voice will be another apparatus of preventative counter-revolution. It will be the UN for Indigenous people, a step backwards which would only complicate and act as a outlet in the place of true revolutionary and sovereign struggle
Coal and gas and metal mines are based. The problem isn't that such things exist but that they're not socialist coal and metal mines with socialist workers producing for a socialist society. Anything else is cringe defrowth Malthusian capitalist environmentalist satanism.
Voted yes myself.
Since when did the widely acclaimed speaker, writer, journalist, and political analyst Caleb Maupin get interested in Australian politics?
I have to say from an outsider looking in, it is funny to see this measure being popular via polling before the process to make it happen started, iirc before or during Labor won the previous election. Proof that the Murdoch machine can create FUD on a whim and make people change their mind if it needs them to.>>1633191>>1633235
So what tangible material benefit do you want for the Indigenous people?
First of all nice digits.
>I have to say from an outsider looking in, it is funny to see this measure being popular via polling before the process to make it happen started, iirc before or during Labor won the previous election. Proof that the Murdoch machine can create FUD on a whim and make people change their mind if it needs them to.
I am not suggesting that there aren't far-right elements behind the No campaign. But Australians generally despise referendums and change. Ultimately the LNC capitalised on this by introducing their "If you don't know, vote no." campaign. It was successful because Labor failed to clarify their position and made it as ineffectual as possible.
same, but i have no illusions about reformism
Then why and how is there overwhelmingly support for the measure before it became a referendum? Unless Labor made some major change to the measure, but since nobody ITT mentioned it and even you said that they were vague and wishy about it.
I am not critical of far right elements behind No, at least they were honest from the very beginning. But the people who changed their minds before it started are
a)easily brainwashed sheep that will listen to the media
b)cowards who say they like nice things until they actually have to do things to get it
c)contrarians who wants to distinguish themselves from the Labor base that they despise.
The campaign was an absolute catastrophe.
You cannot sell something by both saying it's a prerequisite to be able to do anything about their conditions, while also pretending the Voice will have absolutely no power whatsoever and it's not a step towards anything.
The No campaign did not have any coherent argument because they did not need one, all they had to do was to simply point and laugh.
>>1633354>a)easily brainwashed sheep that will listen to the media
I don't watch mainstream media, I consulted various socialist sources and there was a divided opinion from leftists and progressives. The progressive No case is fair, no treaty, no vote, it is bourgeois but it can be used as leverage against Labor by the Greens, whatever. And the radical No vote, is either to prevent paternalistic state-capitalist encroachment via grog bans, police and military presence in the NT, or to frustrate Labor during a period of sharp economic downturn.
It was a campaign designed to drum up support for the Labor party from the beginning, with a safe liberal cause that could "heal the political divide". While offering nothing other than a bourgeois political body of a privileged few Indigenous.
>b)cowards who say they like nice things until they actually have to do things to get it
I want international social revolution. Australia needs to be a socialist republic that represents all its citizens. Until I see a conversation for that, then I'm not going to participate in parliamentary reformism.
So you admit that you are c) then.
>Until I see a conversation for that, then I'm not going to participate in parliamentary reformism.
That is a different discussion altogether, but nobody is going to see the contradictions in bourgeois democracy until you push for parliamentary reformism. The idea is to push for the Voice precisely because it is worthless to show how useless the whole parliamentary system. People must get things they do not want before they get mad.
>>1633392>So you admit that you are c) then.
It's not an insult, to be a Marxist is to engage in the "ruthless criticism of everything existing." You are a contrarian, I am a contrarian, we are socialists in a fundamentally anti-socialist country. You are a weirdo in a country filled of parochial stereotypes.
>The idea is to push for the Voice precisely because it is worthless to show how useless the whole parliamentary system. People must get things they do not want before they get mad.
So, the idea is to push something worthless so people realise it's worthless? A treaty grants rights and obligations which can then be held to account be the democratic will of the people, the Voice grants nothing. Regardless, it's lost. Narrow SocDem political horizons.
>>1633354>Then why and how is there overwhelmingly support for the measure before it became a referendum?
I supported it for a while until it became clear that it was going to be a literal voice to parliment instead of anything with power. That and there is no concrete proposition for structure, method of appointment etc. By the time my indigenous comrades convinced me to oppose, it became a referendum and I was a no by then.
If they wanted democratic process and indigenous voices, they should listen to the ones already there on the ground, the various aboriginal representation orgs or at least come with a plan before changing the constitution in such a vauge way.
yeah and they did a great job of pulling the ladder up behind them.
>>1633408>It's not an insult, to be a Marxist is to engage in the "ruthless criticism of everything existing."
You could have easily made that criticism the moment the Indigenous people suggested it. Why wait until now?
>So, the idea is to push something worthless so people realise it's worthless?
Precisely. Now nobody will ever know for sure that it is worthless, and everyone goes back to their homes thinking they are right for doing they did in helping (or harming) the indigenous people. The bourgeois democracy affirms its own existence by promising to do nothing, and your views and criticism will remain fringe.>>1633411
So it was made by toothless by the parliament? That makes sense. What was the original plan going to be?
i checked the cpa-ml link and they left the issue open ended yet the person who compiled the post put them as 'no'.
>The bourgeois democracy affirms its own existence by promising to do nothing, and your views and criticism will remain fringe.
And this is exactly what the Labor party is guilty of and exactly why parliamentarism must be abandoned. There have been a number of protests against Indigenous incarceration by socialist groups this year alone, people involving themselves direct struggle, I guarantee you know nothing about them.
The same can be said about your own views, you can go to your bed tonight feeling morally indignant about bogans in Queensland voting no and feel passively satisfied.
the whole list is retarded for putting "sovereign no" and "critical yes" like anyone gives a shit, or their moronic good intentions will stop the wave of confusion and propaganda that is going to be unleashed.
>>1633428>And this is exactly what the Labor party is guilty of and exactly why parliamentarism must be abandoned.
Sure IIRC The Labor party fumbled in some of their policies and that lead to political agitation. My point is that you must give Labor the opportunity to fail on its own terms to show that the system is rigged. The No vote is just affirming the status quo for better or for worse.
>you can go to your bed tonight feeling morally indignant about bogans in Queensland voting no and feel passively satisfied.
Like I said from the very beginning, I am an outsider looking in. Did you read my posts carefully?
And where I am from I advocate for pushing for policies that I know my pseduo-dictatorship cannot or do not want to implement to stir up public resentment. I have consistently told my comrades here that we must get the public to want something, show that the political institutions would not let them have it (via parliamentary reformism), and give an alternative ideology/party/org that will give them what they want. This is the only path to revolution, not sneering from the sideline with 'ruthless criticism.'
>>1633444> My point is that you must give Labor the opportunity to fail on its own terms to show that the system is rigged.
They are failing on their own terms.This *is* a failure on their own terms. Labor is responsible for their own defeat.
Fail to do what? They didn't have the mandate to do anything for the indigenous people. If anything this is the best outcome for Labor. They can throw their hands up and say "Well we tried." without doing anything more.
The Solidarity one ('YES') also has 3 links, I checked the first, the first person says boycott, second says nothing and last says 'vote against'. That said, the second link confirms the org sided with 'yes'.
It's up to you how you explain this to your friends and family, who may be in disbelief over how this could fail.
You can turn this into something useful by telling them that many people (and those descriptors are proof!) that many progressive left-wing orgs and indiginous activists voted 'no' because this wasn't going to do anything meaningful.
Or, if you're going to have a sook about it and waste a perfect opportunity for agitation, you can do that instead.
picrel was also for same poster - >>1632713
They failed to advance the interests of Indigenous people. They have failed to implement the national anti-corruption commission. They have failed to address the housing and rental crisis. They have failed to tackle the Murdoch press. They have failed to condemn the murder in Gaza while attempting to pass this campaign.
By all metrics, it is failure. Bringing Australian leftists away from friendlydjordies Labor dicksucking opportunism and towards revolutionary positions, it is better off for all socialists and indigenous people.
This. Australia must develop the productive forces.
Under Actually Existing Socialism, there will be a coal mine or steel mill in every neighborhood including the indigenous neighborhoods, AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT.
>>1633446>Fail to do what?
Fail to get a significant amount of indigenous leaders to support their watered-down propoal.
Fail to get the voters onboard.
Fail to change anything through electoral means.
>>1633453>They failed to advance the interests of Indigenous people
Clearly not when they tried to push through the referendum. It isn't their fault that it didn't go through and they can go back to doing nothing.
>Bringing Australian leftists away from friendlydjordies Labor dicksucking opportunism and towards revolutionary positions, it is better off for all socialists and indigenous people.
Your contrarianism and hatred for Labor is not helping you think rationally. They failed to accomplish these things is precisely why bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional. For someone so deeply harsh and critical of parliamentary reformism, you seem to feel betrayed that Labor fails to do anything.
This is a good thing to have now so you agitate people for more revolutionary politics. Tut-tutting at people like you are doing now is helping no one.>>1633459
None of these failures rely on parliamentary democracy, but their political organization…
>>1633450>perfect opportunity for agitation
throughout the 90s there was wide public support for treaty or at least constitutional representation including indigenous members of parliament and and a review body on land rights and law. then in 2005 howard swept ATSIC aside after pulling bullshit exploratory commissions until he found something. since then treaty has not been in the australian political lexicon because people like…>>1633453>Bringing Australian leftists away from friendlydjordies Labor dicksucking opportunism and towards revolutionary positions, it is better off for all socialists and indigenous people
want you to lose faith in labor and the unions and put your faith and trust in a bunch of burnouts that have never exercised authority higher than a local council or a handful of seats after decades of futile campaigning.
>It isn't their fault that it didn't go through
It absolutely fuckin' is. They wrote the thing. They set up the game and voters didn't like it.
And I don't think you can even try and blame it on conservatives or racists either. They're not powerful enough to block it by themselves. Even looking at the polling above, about a fifth of 'progressive voters' replied they would say 'no' and a quarter of Green voters.
>It isn't their fault that it didn't go through and they can go back to doing nothing.
What are you talking about? Of course it's their fault they didn't get enough votes, that was literally their job. This is the metric of bourgeois parliamentarism.
I really don't know what else to tell you, the No vote comes from all across the political spectrum and expresses a growing anti-political attitude against Labor. It is something that socialists should take advantage of.
>>1633461>They failed to accomplish these things is precisely why bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional.
Do they fail to accomplish these things because bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional? Or is it that bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional and cannot accomplish these things?
>>1633465>It is something that socialists should take advantage of.
This this this.
Hell, even if you voted 'no', you should be concern trolling the FUCK out of progressives in shell-shock. Tell them you voted yes but lots of indiginous people voted no that's provably true btw!
because it didn't actually do anything, they want more than a boring old voice. They already have a voice. They want land rights, treaty, and all that good shit, not a bureaucratic advisory body that can just be ignored whenever the liberal party or labor party
We are veering off course what we originally talked about. I was talking about Labor failing to enact meaningful change via parliamentary reformism, not in gathering support and mandate for change.
On the latter, yea Labor fucked up. But now they do not need to use the state to do anything for the indigenous people since they failed to get the mandate.
Labor is never going to do anything meaningful in power, but failing at the ballot box and falling in parliament is two distinct impotency. One is due to internal organization and other due to the nature of bourgeois democracy.
>>1633474>Or is it that bourgeois democracy is dysfunctional and cannot accomplish these things?
That is very disingenuous to lie but even then they can still think they can give what the indigenous people want via reformism ala another referendum again.
>>1633483>I was talking about Labor failing to enact meaningful change via parliamentary reformism, not in gathering support and mandate for change.
How can you pretend that these are distinct issues? The poll split clearly shows that if a substantial treaty was offered that more on the left would have voted for it. The actual truth is that if a treaty was discussed that many in the Labor party would turn against it.
>>1633489>strinerfag wants socialism
Kek but my point is it is better to tell the truth.
I don’t see your point.
don't be fatuous. I mean aussie socialists in general. you only crawl out of the woodwork after a labor victory to suck the energy out of every long overdue lurch back to the left: snub every reform, be holier than thou, do cringe shit for the tv cameras, confuse the electorate with retarded countersignalling about how everything is futile, poison the well at every opportunity. then when the liberals are back in power you jump right on the cones and pat yourselves on the back for defeating the hypocrites. I cringe every time I have to sit through a 40 minute video, a 800 word meandering essay, go to a protest and hear a 20 minute speech that never comes to a point. it's not that it's hard to follow or even wrong, it's just miserable and exhausting. take that list of anarcho socialist recommendations: every cunt wrote their own essay and they were apparently so long winded and confusing the list author couldn't keep track of what each cunt was trying to say.
people want something simple, just give them a few steps to follow and a good enough reason, it works for the succdems and the cookers. and stop calling the proles pieces of shit for being too busy for this lifestyle. lets take this example:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Atphj7rkbc
half an hour of extra waffling on, a foregone conclusion that resistance is pretty futile. should the viewer join a union? dunno, just felt gross the whole time.
the "progressive" "sovereign" no managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory. voters that supported them will probably come to regret it around 2028, maybe 2030. all they had to do was form a coalition to have some sort of cohesive messaging and they could have easily pwned the far right campaign but a left unity coalition is ridiculous so they just fed votes into the liberal campaign.
I stated it before, moving people away from parliamentarism and from cheering on Labor, or pretending that they are a path to socialism or indigenous sovereignty. I've been extremely consistent on this point.
Okay and then someone talked about Labor failing to get support from indigenous people to vote yes on the voice and things got mixed up.
My point is that Labor must fail in enacting change like social democratic shit but in order to do that they must not fail in gathering (or consistently be given) mandate to do social democratic shit. That is the only path to revolution.
>>1633497>you only crawl out of the woodwork
Stopped reading there, schizo.
You're putting the cart before the horse and making an opportunist error.
I think it's because even the ABC barely interviews the shadow cabinet during a liberal government. a bunch of cunts that couldn't win a bid to change bin day couldn't make the news if they tried.
For news on an election that actually matters:
In New Zealand, the conservative Liberal Party have formed a coalition government with the lolbert party to secure victory.
>>1633502>My point is that Labor must fail in enacting change like social democratic shit but in order to do that they must not fail in gathering (or consistently be given) mandate to do social democratic shit.
They were given the mandate to do social democratic shit when they were voted in. This is their version of social democratic shit, don't laugh!
You are putting the parliamentary struggle before the class struggle and the indigenous struggle. Already I'm seeing on ABC Indigenous people that are wanting "another path" and tired of the "same old'. What other path is it other than treaty?
>>1633521>They were given the mandate to do social democratic shit when they were voted in.
For other stuff sure but not on the Voice.
>You are putting the parliamentary struggle before the class struggle and the indigenous struggle.
How? I never said you shouldn’t do those things but that you should vote for Labor.
And that's fine, you're a just a social democrat. Plenty of them on here draping themselves in revolutionary clothes.
>>1633542>Anyways, now maybe you can finally focus on the infinitely more important republican referendum?
Only if Labor is reelected at the next election.
oh well, at least if the coalition comes back it frees up more time for hongies.
Ah so this discussion eventually boils down to a pissing contest over who is the cooler leftist…
>>1633542>infinitely more important republican referendum?
Does he know?
Pretty much. I'm also correct, which is why you have no argument other than adhom.
You literally have no argument other than making social democat an adhom and calling everyone you don’t like that. Physican, heal thyself!
>>1633594>than making social democat an adhom
I'm pretty sure world history has shown social democracy is an absolute traitorous joke.
Yea and I am not one of them, retard.
>>1633598>gives complex answers on why he not a right winger even if he goes for the Liberal/National choice>accuse others of being a social democrat for going for the Labor choice
I accept your concession.
>>1633603>the Liberal/National choice
Fucking lmao, stop buying into bourgeois political narratives. If Labor wanted to stop far-right nutjobs and bloodthirsty SkyNews readers they would have dealt with it and then pursued a treaty. No one is apologising for third-way Blairist politics anymore other than SocDems.
mate who is even at the table for your treaty? there is no representative body that has the goodwill of the community and the tent embassy activists are a shadow of what they used to be, stuck doing clown shit chasing cookers around with bundi sticks. maybe get queen lidia to do it between walkouts? it's not negotiating re-entry to a strip club but I'm sure she'll manage.
>>1633633>mate who is even at the table for your treaty?
Indigenous Australians, most socialists and progressives, and yes potentially some conservatives.
> there is no representative body that has the goodwill of the community
Yeah funny that, I wonder why that is? It's very fortunate that us socialists have a ready made critique for that!
>the tent embassy activists are a shadow of what they used to be
Okay, and? "The left" has politically regressed in all first world countries because of de-industrialisation. It was our Labor government and not the liberals that introduced neoliberalism in this country through the Prices and Incomes Accord, which was chiefly supported by… social democrats! Some of them are in the Labor party today.
>stuck doing clown shit chasing cookers around with bundi sticks
No one cares, I have no allegiance to Thorpe, the Greens or the rest of the society of spectacle. Not an argument
Did liberal and National push against the Voice or not? Stop being obtuse.
No one is being obtuse, read the thread >>1633339
Huh it is almost as if there are various reasons to vote No and Yes…
But someone has to keep blanketing one side as social democrats and crying crocodile tear when his side gets the same treatment. What an insufferable hypocrite.
The worse part is during the whole discussion, I have never dismissed your arguments by calling you names, yet you are the one who fantastise about my life >>1633428
and dismiss my argument by calling me a social democrat. But somehow I am the one throwing out adhoms.
Smart Anglos saw which way the racial winds were blowing and now like to racemaxx for additional advantages. Other examples: Elizabeth Warren, Rachel Dolezal.
race is a spook. its a cultural thing.
>>1632948>but I can't understand why any supposed liberal or left winger is.>liberal
it's an aboriginal only lobby group being put in the constitution
why would a liberal ever support such a retarded thing
The Voice was a racist proposal. That's why I voted No.
familiar with the BPU, the black sovereignty movement aren't going to deliver any wins, they have nothing to gain from going to a negotiating table, a bunch of policies that are informed by principle not feasibility, and a base that will cast them aside if things slow down. Australia doesn't need yet another lefty splitter faction to spit the dummy and get into performative left infighting until the public is tired of them and votes us back into the hands of the coal lobby. soz.
how is it racist?
Shut the fuck up you retard.
I voted no.
I wasn't calling you names to insult you, I was describing your position accurately. I don't know what country your from but in Australia we have an extremely opportunist left and a very reactionary right. It is important to distinguish the wheat from the chaff, this is what the No vote has effectively done. There are those that believe supporting Labor is the path to socialism and progress, and there are people who are desiring political alternatives.
You were calling me names (social democrat) to dismiss my argument on how to agitate for revolution. That is literally how ad homeniem works. Hell nowhere did i ever said anything about being insulted. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
I'm not dismissing your argument, I was drawing attention to it, it is revisionism and it's a problem that the left in the country has had since the 1980s.
I'm not against all parliamentarism, as I have frequently stated, I would have supported a treaty on the terms you described because it would have lead to something else, it has a further historical purpose.
>>1635517>You were calling me names (social democrat) to dismiss my argument on how to agitate for revolution
no dude, you're advocating a social reformist action within liberal democracy.
it is completely accurate to describe your posts as social democrat policy. saying 'yes' to a social democrat party isn't agitation.
>>1635524>>1635526>it is revisionism and it's a problem that the left in the country has had since the 1980s.
Literally ad homien again. You really can't help yourself can you?
>you're advocating a social reformist action within liberal democracy.
What lies, I said time and time again, no political change can happen within the confines of bourgeois democracy, and only advocating for giving the social democrats the mandate they need to demonstrate such impotence to the masses.
It is you who have far more faith in the bourgeois democracy than me, thinking a cooler treaty "would have lead to something else". No treaty would have been sufficient in giving the indigenous people what they need, no matter how many of them Labor consult.
>>1635530>Literally ad homien again.
That is literally not ad hominem.>It is you who have far more faith in the bourgeois democracy than me
This, however, is ad hominem.
>>1635531>That is literally not ad hominem.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy>>1635531>This, however, is ad hominem.
Okay how can someone be this aggressively stupid? I literally quoted your fucking post that said >>1635524
" I would have supported a treaty on the terms you described because it would have lead to something else
" to make a point that you have more faith in the bourgeois democracy than me . Whatever you can say about my accusation, this is not an ad hominem.
>>1635535>Social Democrat going insane live!
Bro, just stop. You're the one attacking my character for "faith in the bourgeoisie". Are you this removed from reality? The Yes campaign and the No campaign are controlled by two factions of the bourgeoisie, nobody is pretending otherwise. As the other anon above you're describing voting 'Yes' as agitation when it clearly wasn't in any conceivable way other than from a revisionist and opportunist perspective. It really is that simple.
I truly wish you no ill will by the way, I think it is instructive to have this argument. Maybe your country is different.
>>1635545>>Social Democrat going insane live!
Classic guilt by association. But sure I am the one having bad arguments.
>You're the one attacking my character for "faith in the bourgeoisie". Are you this removed from reality?
Learn to read you fucking moron. Faith in the bourgeoisie? When have I said that? I said that you have faith in bourgeois democracy if you think any form of the Voice, whether radical enough that the indigenous people would vote Yes, would be implemented if it was given the mandate. It cannot and will not, but giving mandates to social democrats gives more opportunities for agitation when they eventually fail to achieve their goals.
Call me revisionist or opportunist if you must to feel good about yourself, but at least grasp what I am trying to say first.
>I truly wish you no ill will by the way
I truly wish you learn how to fucking read and stop using your alexia as a rhetorical weapon.
You're truly off your head and removed from reality. I offered my argument as clear as crystal and instead of refusing to accept it and move on you're being a crybaby about it.
People voted No and now Indigenous people, progressive and socialists are on the side of a treaty. What does that say to Indigenous people other than socialists have always been your friend, socialists were the ones that stood with you. If the Labor government can't implement a treaty then they can't govern. If the treaty isn't sufficient, finally! Socialism is on the table.
You're arguing backwards and forwards to justify being a social democrat. Which again is fine people had resons for and against, but it also means that you are subject to opportunist influences and revisionist tendencies inherent in in the Labor party.
>>1635626>I offered my argument as clear as crystal and instead of refusing to accept it and move on you're being a crybaby about it.
Lmao I am not the one misrepresenting the other's argument to the point of confusing bourgeois democracy for bourgeoisie and accusing others about being an impure socialist. Stop accusing me of what you are doing.
>People voted No and now Indigenous people, progressive and socialists are on the side of a treaty.
Again, I have not argued otherwise. If you think the Voice is not enough, whatever man. But you cannot sit here and tell me a more radical Voice would have been implemented AND
accuse me of being an opportunist and revisionist.
>You're arguing backwards and forwards to justify being a social democrat.
Again, I am not arguing for being a social democrat, just as you are not arguing for being a right winger/ Liberal supporter. Guilt by association is a neat rhetorical trick, but you don't get to use AND
cry about me use ad hominem.
You're a schizo, you have convinced no one. Good night.
lol, carefree limousine libs still thinking they can go on idpol adventures without having to touch class divides.
Wow, you really showed the libs by stabbing indigenous people in the back
>>1635626>finally! Socialism is on the table.
this is a realistic assessment of how things will pan out, having zero state or federal seats just means the socialists have more opportunities to win than any major party.
>>1636651>Wow, you really showed the libs by stabbing indigenous people in the back
You have a couple of erroneous premises there. Sorry that you're a retard.
Political malpractice to hold a referendum at a time that tons of people are economically struggling and are going to vote no simply because it's the only way at the time to express displeasure with the government.
Saw these on the news this morning:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5BqW63PeOmUhttps://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1713423419084046800
These sentiments have all supported what I said from the outset. Indigenous people are going to move away "the politics of kindness" I.E. from the labor party and push for treaty, or god forbid something more radical! Already you can see the boomer cookers in the replies. This is ultimately good.
As the young guy in the short said, this was a controlled bush burning. The people in the Yes campaign acted like the voice was an attempt at "structural change", when it wasn't. If opportunists dismiss the indigenous struggle because "it is the politics of fear and division!" then they reveal themselves as libs. Once again, good!
>>1636916>Political malpractice to hold a referendum [at any time, in any country, ever]
As I already said earlier, I don't discount the fact that the Voice was a watered down project. I just don't believe a more radical treaty would be possible to implement in bourgeois democracy even if given the mandate and that voting No does nothing to further the contradictions in bourgeois democracy but affirming its validity.
Everyone goes back to their homes, thinking "structural change" is possible if things go their way.
If anything, it is the peak of revisionism to think that structural change is possible, let alone want it when criticizing 'fake' structural change. The point is not for indigenous people to simply to take power out of colonizer's hands, since that wouldn't change anything about the world. The point is to destroy the notion itself.
For someone who loves to act like they are the real and only revolutionary socialist around crying about revisionism all the time, you seem to miss that the whole point is to change the structure replacing bourgois democracy with dotp, not doing 'real' structural change a more radical Voice.
Finally, we are talking about the possibilities for socialism! I consider this a positive development. Because you are correct!> it is the peak of revisionism to think that structural change is possible
Agreed. That's why the campaign was never going to pass and why Labor is responsible for their own defeat and it's why they will fail to implement their paltry neoliberal 'Mind the Gap' targets and fail to support a treaty. If you consider this a failure of "the left" then you are conflating the left and ingeneous sovereignty movements with the Labor party and that is a form of opportunism.>the whole point is to change the structure replacing bourgois democracy with dotp
Correct, and the way to do that is to align with the class struggle and move away from parliamentarism. As me and others have pointed out, there is a growing anti-political attitude towards Labor and this is a space that socialists can occupy.
>>1636992>That's why the campaign was never going to pass and why Labor is responsible for their own defeat and it's why they will fail to implement their paltry neoliberal 'Mind the Gap' targets and fail to support a treaty.
That is a pointless statement to make. No measure that will benefit indigenous people will ever happen, whether is fails in the ballot box or in the parliament. It doesn’t matter if Labor fails in the former, only in the latter that leads to agitation in the bourgeois democracy. We are rehashing the same argument over again. Read my old posts again if you can.
>As me and others have pointed out, there is a growing anti-political attitude towards Labor and this is a space that socialists can occupy.
With you constantly woke-scolding and crying about revisionism and opportunism? I agree with >>1633497
that your condescending attitude will only deflate and sullen anybody who still believes in bourgeois democracy.
And even if it is a space that you can occupy, so what? The anti-Labor sentiment is not directed to bougoieis democracy itself. People would still want to use the state to implement reforms because they have not seen it fail to do so.
>>1637038>People would still want to use the state to implement reforms because they have not seen it fail to do so.
I agree. Labor is governing in the middle of an economic depression and is in a position to advance social democratic reforms. So far, and based on the federal budget, they have failed to do so. >>1637032>that your condescending attitude will only deflate and sullen anybody who still believes in bourgeois democracy.
Why is this bad? Do you want me to pretend Santa Claus is real for liberals? Moreover, I'm actually optimistic.
>>1637047>Labor is governing in the middle of an economic depression and is in a position to advance social democratic reforms. So far, and based on the federal budget, they have failed to do so.
On this other front, I will say anything since I don’t know. But on this Voice, that has not happened. Especially after this referendum, it wouldn’t happen anytime soon.
>Why is this bad? Do you want me to pretend Santa Claus is real for liberals?
Nobody cares about what you know until they know that you care. And nobody wants to listen to an insufferable cunt.
>Moreover, I'm actually optimistic.
I am sure the British socialists were equally optimistic when the Wilson and Callaghan’s Labour government was eating shit regularly.
>>1637057>On this other front, I will say anything since I don’t know. But on this Voice, that has not happened. Especially after this referendum, it wouldn’t happen anytime soon.
So you plead ignorance on the totality of the political situation purely based on "vibes".
>Nobody cares about what you know until they know that you care. And nobody wants to listen to an insufferable cunt.
This is irrelevant. My words would be a lot different if I was talking to ordinary people, compared to self-proclaimed socialists on /leftypol/.
>>1637130>So you plead ignorance on the totality of the political situation purely based on "vibes".
Unlike you, I don’t speak so confidently on things I do not know for sure. I am not even disagreeing with you. IIRC Jacobin reported that in one state Labor screwed over some unions, and socialists should get in on that action for agitation. But on the Voice, the indigenous people are unmoved.
>This is irrelevant. My words would be a lot different if I was talking to ordinary people, compared to self-proclaimed socialists on /leftypol/.
If this is how you treat your comrades, I can’t imagine how would you treat class cucks and traitors.
>>1637136>If this is how you treat your comrades, I can’t imagine how would you treat class cucks and traitors.
The whole purpose of socialist discussion in or outside of the party is for ruthless self-criticism. It is not for bedtime stories, and it is not meant to be taken personally.
As for "class cucks and traitors" I don't expect anything of them, they move and blow in the wind.
Very minded words from the man who mocked others by calling them a schizo, crying about ad honienm while constantly doing guilt by association tricks. You are fooling no one with your grandstanding.
those brackets are doing a lot of work, bruh.
one of the underpinnings of leftist thought is that billions can be lifted out of economic pain.
until such time, good luck to the waterfront liberals and their self-aggrandizing displays of 'compassion'.
never heard of it
Ginger. 'Bluey' and 'Ginger' are nicknames for someone with red hair, and there's only one G key.
Studies showing that food insecurity has rocketed up
>More than a third of the population either "compromise their meal choices" or are forced to "skip meals or whole days of eating", and the proportion of Australians who have "experienced some level of difficulty in meeting the most basic of needs" is approaching 50 per cent
didn't notice that>>1649646
that's two g's in ginger
>>1649646>>1649839>that's two g's in ginger
This, there only one g in the keyboard
>Ginger are nicknames
Never name an African ginger then.
what was the reason?
>>1649839>that's two g's in ginger
then how did u type it on a keyboard with only one 'g' ??? ?? ???/??
So, I found this blog post from last month.> By anon (not verified) >One Day Sydney Anarcho-Syndicalist Conference>Saturday, November 18, 2023>Gadigal Room, Newtown Neighbourhood Centre (11-13 Darley St.)>Sydney, Australia>http://www.rebelworker.org/
>"From Corporate Bureaucratic Unionism to Grassroots Controlled Direct Action Unionism: Lessons from the 1970's and Perspectives for Today."
Then they go over the schedule, some Anti-Vietnam and BLF stuff, that that's all well and good, but then this is appended to one of them:
>Rebel Worker has moved: Over a ten year period, Jura Books has mutated into a non-anarchist project resembling more so a Trotskyist group. After 10 years of bullying and lies, their final act of outrage was to use force to illegally remove us from the premises. Please note we (as Anarcho-Syndicalists) are no longer associated with Jura Books. Our correspondence address and email remain the same. We are now forced to seek donations for a space for Anarcho-Syndicalists in Sydney.
>A$750,000 is urgently sought to buy premises for the proposed Rebel Worker- Anarcho-Syndicalist Network Media Centre. Please make out Cheques to Black Cat Media and forward to PO Box 92 Broadway 2007 NSW, Australia.
That's a lotta money!
this is absolutely burgerpunk. Australians are the burgers of the south pacific
Idk what is more shameless, that they are asking or that they think people will give.
are kiwis the leafs of the south pacific then?
I mean, look, I can understand asking for donations, nothing wrong with that, but asking for a 750,000 is a bit ridiculous if you don't have ten thousand members, and something tells me they'd be lucky to have a hundred.
>>1657027>calls for everyone to do their bit to tackle climate changehttps://www.marketforces.org.au
is a pretty good place to start.
The source is from 2006 and they did profiles on lots of random businesses, but that's the only not-for-profit I found. It's strange.
Their bookshop would not pay the rent, they must have donors backing it.
I think that's a fair assesment, SEA is equivalent to South America
old news and shit news
i see no-one else posting this shit
That's great footage of the USyd 'queers for Palestine' protest
yes, because it's not worth posting.
ABC news is remarkable anti-Israel, or at least, not-pro-Israel.
Could this be, perhaps, the strength of non-profit economics?
This is kayfabe to keep their viewers engaged. ABC is a state run propaganda outlet, they supported every US war in the middle east and they called Assange a rapist.
is australia SOCIALIST now?
its run by a LABOR party!
>The Victorian Greens have said this year's Melbourne Cup must be the last, and have called on Labor to spend less money propping up the racing industry and more on supporting people doing it tough.
>Last year, a record 168 horses were killed on Australian racetracks. And year on year, we see the horrible suffering of horses at the hands of the brutal racing industry.
>Despite this, in this year's State Budget Labor spent four times as much on the racing industry than it did on people experiencing housing stress or homelessness.
>Victorian Greens animals spokesperson, Katherine Copsey, said the Melbourne Cup was nothing more than gambling-fuelled animal cruelty.
Good fukken luck, but critical support for greens.
They just have not received the memo yet.
Holy shit, how can horses be dying on the race track?
Oh shit, I think I saw a USSR flag in the background of the ABC coverage!
I wonder if the Gaza invasion will boost the Greens an extra few percent in the 2025 election.
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