/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

It seems to me that most “secret” societies are just created to make rich people feel cool and mysterious. Also the left can’t really create a secret society because the government and reactionaries would immediately try to destroy or infiltrate it.

>>1477623
>Also the left can’t really create a secret society because the government and reactionaries would immediately try to destroy or infiltrate it.
That's why you make it a secret.

Secret Societies that must be destroyed should a socialist regime come to power due to confirmed anti communist tendencies:

1) Trilateral Commission
2) Bilderberg Group
3) Freemasons

And *insert national intelligence agency of your choice*.

The WEF is harmless because Schwab is desperate to be liked by everyone and randomly invites journalists in as well to report on everything since it's just an ego boosting event for himself and it's not even secretive which makes it all the more hilarious. So basically kill all secret bourgeois societies but allow Schwab to have his annual vacation just to trigger rightoids.

>>1477663
>Predecessor to the KMT
It seems like just another Freemason front. Just like in Russia how the liberals were the first to take over the liberals were also stronger in China for a period until the Communists could establish control. I understand why China does the cringey historical association with the liberal nationalist revolutionaries since they need historical grounding but it's kind of like if the early USSR decided to glorify Kerensky for the rest of history.

>>1477669
Sun Yat Sen was pro-USSR tho, but maybe this one is more what your looking for.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Corresponding_Society

>>1477669
>it's kind of like if the early USSR decided to glorify Kerensky for the rest of history.
They did glorify Georgi Plekhanov tho despite him turning opportunist.

>>1477686
Plekhanov was a commie though just a revisionist one? Not a liberal

yall arent creating secret societies with your friends?

>a) how much power do they actually have?
Secret societies do exist , but they are just a way for the already extremely powerful to mystify and ritualize their power and provide themselves a social club to plan and discuss their empires. It's more for show and their own gratification and to make it seem that the roots of their power lie in some hidden magical realm to which they are specially attuned rather than in mundane, material factors that can be taken away.

They could just get together in plain old boring board meetings, dressed in suits and their influence on the world would remain the same. But playing dress up in robes and sitting around a round table with bonfire in the middle is an exercise of self-aggrandizement that has pleasing psychological effects.

They flatter themselves into thinking their power extends beyond the material plane and isn't just the advantages of private property, political connections, and money. They want to mystify and sanctify it so that it feels to them more immutable than it is. The mentality is not unlike what the nazis did with all their occult mumbojumbo in their efforts to religionize the regime.

>>1478055
also this

>a) how much power do they actually have?
>b) what role do they have in shaping world events
Formal organizations of "secret societies" had some level of influence in the affairs of the bourgeoisie, but to my knowledge the power was more to do with the power of individual bourgeoisie and their peers. The rituals and formalism of the secret society stuff was more like the bourgeoise larping. Something something traditions of all dead generations lay like a nightmare on the minds of the living, something something Lenin quote about the bourgeoisie masking their class power in sentamentalism and reactionary idpol. As for what they achieved I would say "le cercle, the PT masonic lounges, the nazi spider networks and post war organizations, private military companies etc, the Gehlen organization… Are pretty good examples of what such formaly named organizations can achieve.
>c)if they are so effective why can't communists make a secret society to overthrow capitalism? Why can't we just make 'the order of the red hammer' or something?
The strategy of centering the communist struggle around small secretive sects of professional revolutionaries, known as blanquism, has historically failed due to not involving the revolutionary classes (proletariat and peasantry etc) enough in their own revolution. Although IMO clandestine cells of professional revolutionaries could still serve as a valuable asset to serve a broader revolutionary class struggle. I think this already occured in some capactiy in successful revolutions in the imperial periphery, but I see no reason why it could not be implemented in the imperial core and exapanded and extended in it's scope. Something like a never ending RAF or IRA, or the greek cells which were extremely successful. In most of these cases it seems like failure, personal loss, and the defeat of their goals was due to either doing somethint very stupid and reckless and getting caught, or acting like insane scary domestic gladio terrorists and attacking or making the lives worse of the average people instead of going after legitimate targets.

Neoliberals destroyed the old societies.
The only recourse is to make new societies.
Any attempt at public society is quashed.
Therefore building secret societies is praxis.

I always think of how much fun it must be to be a porky, knowing that if you flash a sign of the horns or something for even 1/2 of a second, there’s a sizable portion of your little proleys underlings that will fervently propagate the idea that you’re an all powerful vessel of Satan.
I’m honestly surprised they’ve restrained themselves so much, I’d be leaving blatant hints constantly for my amusement. Paint some green lizard scales on my forearm so when I momentarily pull up my sleeve to scratch, you can see it for a second, before pulling it back down. So much untapped potential to make reactionaries brains explode

secret societies aren't secret. everyone knows who the free masons are. everyone knows who the scientologists are. everyone knows who the falun gong are. the actual secret societies are the small marxist reading groups

>>1478123
based take anon

>>1478131
>Paint some green lizard scales on my forearm so when I momentarily pull up my sleeve to scratch, you can see it for a second, before pulling it back down.
if i ever become rich ill do this

My favourite secret society is antifa

>>1478407
George soros is going to deduct this post from your paycheck. Dont expect a brick palette delivery or money on your antifa membership debit card next month.

>>1477586
The large question OP is; to what end?
What should be the utility of a secret society to leftists/radicals.
The function is very important to determining the form it a secret society (read as `clandestine organization`) should take.
>c)if they are so effective why can't communists make a secret society to overthrow capitalism?
A few reasons. With large advancements and spending in policing political organizations, undercover policing and counter-insurgency tactics and policies the larger a group becomes the far far less likely it is to remain a secret. And I assumed you were just hyperbolic with 'to overthrow capitalism' as if you are a communist you must understand as a core president that this is the work of classes, not a few guys.

The kind of affinity group model is a superior model, hermetic cells of only a few people, often that have known each other closely, have strong interpersonal affinities or for a long time, as >>1478407
mentioned antifa cells are often a good example of this mode of organizing oneselves.

pdfrel, a text about a well known bourgeoisie secret society in the United Kingdom.

Louis blanqui
List of communist secret societies:
Carbonari
Fabian society
The KGB

>>1477661
What does Schwab do back home in his cathedral? Like, does he just do typical old man stuff after harvesting youthful joy for the day?

>>1477623
its just high OPSEC lateral social organization, some of them even have lore, passwords and mysteries. but most of them are just criminal networks.
>>1478433
>Carbonari
>Fabian society
no lol
>KGB
truu the Cheka is the vanguard party.

>>1478749
>>1478433
wat. I mean yah KGB and socialist intelligence agencnies act in secracy but they also serve the proletariat, not lead it. An insular intelligence agency with no oversight from the rest of the party and proletariat is gonna breed careerists acting in their own interest so fast *cough Beria*

Bakunin hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet? Not even once?
/leftypol/ I am disappoint

>>1478749
>high OPSEC
As someone who works in security, these two words make as much sense as "double communism".

If it's so secret, how do you know about them?

>>1478800
>As someone who works in security, these two words make as much sense as "double communism".
OPSEC isn't a dialectic, but an eclectic spectrum of entropy.

I have a secret society.

>>1479075
No it isn't.
Just read a damn book or stop pretending you understand security. It's not a linear concept. It cannot be a spectrum. Treating it as a spectrum violates its basic core concepts and renders it not just useless but harmful.
And if you think it relies on entropy, you're already fucked. Never base a security strategy on obscurity.

>>1479334
If not a spectrum you can't feign attribution of your action.
But you work in security and aren't a criminal, so you just have book knowledge and wonder why you keep writing incident reports lol.

>>1477586
Here's a book about them

>>1479449
>The Power of Ritual in Prehistory is the first book in nearly a century to
deal with traditional secret societies from a comparative perspective and the
first from an archaeological viewpoint. Providing a clear definition, as well
as the material signatures, of ethnographic secret societies, Brian Hayden
demonstrates how they worked, what motivated their organizers, and
what tactics they used to obtain what they wanted. He shows that far from
working for the welfare of their communities, traditional secret societies
emerged as predatory organizations operated for the benefit of their own
members. Moreover, and contrary to the prevailing ideas that prehistoric
rituals were used to integrate communities, Hayden demonstrates how
traditional secret societies created divisiveness and inequalities. They were
one of the key tools for increasing political control leading to chiefdoms,
states, and world religions. Hayden’s conclusions will be eye-opening, not
only for archaeologists, but also for anthropologists, political scientists, and
scholars of religion.

>>1479334
>Never base a security strategy on obscurity.
laughs in cryptology

The entire point marx makes in the manifesto is that socialism by definition must be a popular movement, not a shadowy cabal pulling the strings as some transcendent deep state.
The communist party must be publicly available.

>>1479688
Ok. Give me the in text citations, apa format with page numbers

>>1479695
First page

The internet seems like a tool hat should have created a million more secret societies. Why did it not? Any thoughts?

>>1479449
Thanks anon. I linked a book a bout more modern ones above: >>1478429

Anyone has any other books?
Attatched book has a little in about Russian revolutionary nihilist secret societies in the period before the revolution..