have you tried organizing them into some political action with you, or into education? I feel like a collaborative approach might get you somewhere. I know some libs that have moved left after actually getting involved in activism. They might just need some social guidance in order to encounter experiences they were missing. (and either way, its another person putting in some work)>>1478552
People will treat anything new with suspicion, take it in stride. The burden of proof is on you, after all. The narrative of "rich get richer" and inequality is the mainstream left narrative. It's a decent jumping off point, but obviously very flawed. Secondly, you talk about how things are better now than when we had to fight for the 10 hour workday, and that's true, but now go and identify the specific acute struggles that already exist, and maybe even go to those people for politics, rather than your starbucks coworkers or college kids. Go where the struggle is, rather than trying to educate everyone on the struggles. The latter is important too, but the most success in that comes from strong self-advocating organizations struggling against their acute oppressions they experience. It's pointless to go to people who are relatively comfortable and convince them that there's a systemic logic to other people being uncomfortable and they should help do something about it because it could be them next, or they'll get some gain, or something. A key rhetorical principal is that people need to be made to care about what you're saying for them to engage, remember it, and be moved to action. The principle of communist organizing (or maybe we could just say, intelligent systemic organizing) is building power among people in similar conditions, self-knowledge and self-confidence; i.e. concentricity. You just need to worry about standing tall in your own boots, work on yourself, work on organizing with others to meet your collective needs, and advocate for your collective struggles. It's personal.>>1478560
i like your post anon
I want to add to the point on how even most on the left are not abolitionists, and they are not revolutionaries, they support the structures they see around them because they take them for granted, and the idea of outright smashing and re-making our political system is a big leap in general not just for them.
We need to be totally tolerant of these seemingly myopic or empiricist attitudes, because really they're just uneducated. Not everyone has time, or has the strength of belief in theory and abstraction, to educate themselves on the history of oppression and social movements and then conclude that we will need revolution. But the lived circumstances will lead us to see the need for revolution either way, and so it's primarily the duty of communists to lead the way through all the twists and turns of the present, like a helmsman, and convince the people by showing them what's in front of their eyes of the need to throw our strength behind each maneuver. It's not about projecting far into the future and convincing everyone of this. It's enough some people know, in order to see the correct course of action. Mass education, especially in politics, will only come after we have control of education and means to provide it for all, equally, as well as the needed security to children and adults pursuing continued education. >>1478569
hey OP, i used to be one of those "ACAB land never ceded" people and I was explicitly anti-marxist (even after reading some marx and lenin and getting into shallow marxist economics!). I got hit with reality when i came onto some materially hard times and I was really humbled by people's generosity and I kind of reversed course away from the individualism, and I began studying lenin and stalin, and finally I read marx again and it was just so different this time around… I just want you to know my journey so maybe you can make something of it. I think i needed an attitude adjustment, as well as personal development, as well as a real education on the fundamentals of socialism that i never got before, or that never stuck.>>1478594
libs still have to hold some dissonance, e.g. being generally anti-war but being anti-our-enemy, or being against racism and hate crimes but seeing the chauvinst mobilization against asians. I think in general this neutralizes them. It's easy to look on the level of rhetoric, and the level of citizen mobilization, and be horrified to think that libs are actually supporting, but from what I see it's just that they are the intermediate, they will be swayed by the media and its our job to be patient with them but stand strong on the correct approach, to remind them of their better instincts against racism and against war, on the history of imperialism, on the aggressive stance of the US globally, etc. These people are confused and are not the ones being mobilized against China the hardest, they are on the fence in actions.
>What I encounter frequently is an anxious resistance to economic critique.
Economic critique is taboo, but the real problem is democracy and control of companies anyways right? Purge the general contradiction from your mind, purge "anti-capitalism" from how you think about the problems, and deal with particular contradictions and particular critiques, because these are less scary to people and also less nebulous and less able to be simply dismissed.>>1478603
what's wrong with the idea that all problems can be voted away? If they let us, we could vote in a new constitution, we could vote in a new system of democracy, we could vote in everything we need to only only make necessary changes but ensure our power into the future… what makes this impossible is the resistance we'll get from the right. But the nature of this resistance is anti-democratic. So in actuality we're aligned with the liberals on this. History will prove the need to fight to make democracy a reality when we come up strongly against the limits of our democracy and have a pressing need to implement reforms.