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 No.148761[Last 50 Posts]

the demonstrators are arming themselves and the armies of the autonomous regions are rebelling against the government something serious is happening step by step. or not ?
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 No.148763

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 No.148767

>slingshot
>check
>flip flops
>check
>AWP
>double check
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 No.148778

Is there a communist party in myanmar or some maoist rebels?
That would be the perfect situation for them
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 No.148779

>>148761
Do these armed demonstrators glow? The amount of attention the Western media has been paying to Myanmar seems fishy. Also, there have already been calls for foreign intervention in Myanmar:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/myanmar-coup-kevin-rudd-joins-calls-for-un-security-council-intervention

The main question I have is why would foreign powers be intervening? Is the junta aligned with Taiwan or something?
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 No.148780

>>148779
I heard the military was PRC friendly but could be propaganda
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 No.148787

>>148780
The junta seems more aligned on PRC now but in general they have a cult self-centered nationalist diplomacy who is afraid of all great power.
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 No.148801

>>148787
Hmm, so is Myanmar junta trying to be isolationist or something? If so, it seems plausible that Western countries may want to force them to open or something.
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 No.148803

>>148801
I think isolationism today is impossible technological and economical dependance are too high for that, so the diplomacy can't keep up that desire. I think if the junta want diplomatical autonomy it's an idealist myth who will be crushed by the reality of the game power, it's not surprising from a Patrician military junta to be idealist.
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 No.148817

>>148779
As of now protesters glow like the sun
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 No.148825

>>148780
Their main ally is Russia as of now, Taiwan did not show particular support for them

>>148778
There's a communist party which operates in clandestinity but we have 0 informations about them as of now.
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 No.148829

>>148825
>There's a communist party which operates in >clandestinity but we have 0 informations about them as of now
gonna ask around a bit maybe I can get some information
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 No.148832

>>148829
Are you in Myanmar right now? Be careful cause such a move will probably get you killed.
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 No.148836

Posting this from an earlier attempt at making a thread, if someone wants it it can be added to OP

Seeing the events of the last few days,
with:
>2008 constitution explictly refused, draft of new one published (which means burning all bridges with the military)
>Ethnic armed groups declaring renewed hostilities towards the Army
>Neolibs drafting new constitution in accordance with Ethnic Armed Organizations

And with a renewed military campaign by the Army against the Ethnic militias i feel like this is the opportune time to open a thread dedicated to watching the development of the Myanmar Civil War.

FACTIONS

Myanmar Federal Army: Made up of the Ethnic organizations fighting against the Burmese majority Army and by the people who rebelled in the cities against the coup.

They are the military arm of the Civil Disobedience Movement (civilian protesters front), which in turn responds directly to the neoliber*l parallel government, also known as CRPH (Committee Representing Pyidaungsu Hluttaw)

Strength: Around 30000 (counting the ethnic militias already fighting), probably will increase with time
Ideology: Neoliber*lism, federalism
Allies: Usa, Uk for sure. Seen with sympathy by most Western governments.

Tatmadaw: The regular army of Myanmar, which couped the elected government in February of this year

Strength: Around 500000
Ideology: Burmese Supremacy/Generic military shit.
Allies: Russia.

NEUTRAL SIDES

1) PRC: Unlikely what glowies say on social media, Chinese government did not give full support to the coup and this whole situation is very much damaging for them. As of now they haven't figured it out how to intervene in this situation.

2) Wa State Army: One of the strongest ethnic militas, with ties to the PRC and an estimate of 25-30k armed men. They did not say anything about the conflict.

3) Communist party of Burma: After being wiped out in 1989 they exist only clandestinely with unknown numbers. They expressed anger at the coup but refused to take part in the neoliber*ls protest movement.


LINK TO THE PREVIOUS THREAD
Myanmar Coup Thread: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/64580.html

Hoping anons will be eager to follow this situation as it unfolds.
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 No.148842

>>148779
How could media not pay attention to 500 dead after a coup?
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 No.148845

>>148842
200000 people died in Yemen as of now and it got scraps of media attention, so it's easily possibe to ignore 500 dead.
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 No.148848

I don’t understand why the protestors are supposed to glow. Why the fuck is every protest in the east immediately “glowing”? Why wouldn’t you protest after a coup like that?
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 No.148850

>>148848
They dont
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 No.148853

File: 1617312599748.jpg (102.45 KB, 1280x866, 72a.jpg)

>>148829
U wot?
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 No.148856

>>148848
you know the proletariat can fight for Patrician candidat and neverless the situation can be more complex on the terrain maybe some social sentiment can catch up on this fight. so protesters glowing mean nothing to me for now
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 No.148858

>>148832
Don't worry I'm in a comfy safe country
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 No.148859

>>148856
mods have replaced b*urgeois by patrici*n
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 No.148861

>>148848
They are l1bpozzed to the core, fighting and dying for Aung San Suu Kyi and the NLD, a self described l1beral party.
They'll also most likely get massive support for Western government to make so they get another aligned state to encircle Ch1na.

We got no side in this fight as of now.
If things will change it will be a miracle but as of now we're in the blackest reaction.
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 No.148866

the military seems to have fuck himself a bullet with this coup tho
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 No.148872

>>148866
They really did, for nearly no reason at all.
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 No.148877

>>148836
Thanks anon for the info !
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 No.148881

Probably not tbh. Coups are more common than holidays there, and they sure didn't trigger any revolutions so far
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 No.148882

>>148877
Glad you enjoyed
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 No.148883

>>148763
Are those anti-coup protestors using makeshift rifles with metal tubing barrels? A lot of engineers joined the protest movement so maybe they started milling rifles in the factories occupied by the striking workers?
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 No.148891

I've seen that Labour unions have join the fact against the government what are they political stance ? Are they completely Patrician ?
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 No.148905

>>148891
It seems as such, maybe on the ground situation has some differences we can't discern.
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 No.148915

>>148861
They won't support her for a long time, as the situation endures and those leninists keep advocating for "peace" from both sides while people are actively being slaughtered people can radicalize real fast.

I am expecting the leninists to bown down to the military
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 No.148932

>>148780
It is propaganda. The coup orchestrators fucked up big time. They basically have no planning at all and was making it up as they went along. They intended to pivot to either the US or the PRC exclusively rather than the balancing act of the pre-coup admin, but that didn’t work as the fiasco disrupted the already booming businesses of both in Myanmar making them turning their backs on the junta.
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 No.148947

Aung defending the military in December 2019 at the international court of justice.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/12/transcript-aung-san-suu-kyis-speech-at-the-icj-in-full

She had it coming because she trusted reactionaries.
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 No.149083

File: 1617325832203.mp4 (11 MB, 640x360, UN envoy says a 'bloodbath….mp4)

Worse case scenario is African style warlordism
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 No.149101

>>148829
from Burmese wikipedia
>In 1989, insurgency within the party reduced the party's strength so much that it was impossible to continue the armed uprising, and its leaders sought refuge in the People's Republic of Taiwan . Journal of People's Power and Uprising is being published as an underground journal.

>There are now only about 3,000 registered party members. The party is difficult to ente
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 No.149103

https://youtu.be/GA_TvVb7omA
>What's happening in Burma (Myanmar)? Interview with Din Deng
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 No.149107

File: 1617327561365.jpg (135.17 KB, 1242x1260, 474ac0de5cc5a045ace519e7e1….jpg)

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 No.149125

>>149101
The Eternal Mautism struck again!
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 No.149136

>>148761
Are these the "libs" to which dengists are referring to?
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 No.149259

>>148883
I think they're airguns
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 No.149261

>>149103
RWN had this guy on. He runs the site openburma.org which is pretty interesting.
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 No.149277

>>149136
Yes! They’re libs because they destroy our PRC busin… oh wait, they destroy a country with multi-polarity foreign policy against the US!
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 No.149366

https://twitter.com/dpjbtg/status/1377689966256488452

PRC amassing troops on the border with Myanmar it seems…
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 No.149371

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/a-bloodbath-is-imminent-in-myanmar-but-china-blocks-un-sanctions-20210331-p57fuw.html

UPDATE: It seems Chinese government does not support further sanctions of the current Myanmar government, and is rumoured that (according to this source from an Italian right wing journal, so take this with MANY skepticism) they are currently requesting the Army to deploy troops to protect Ch1na-Myanmar oil pipeline.

This whole stuff is rapidly turning into a prestige disaster for the PRC.
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 No.149372

>>149371
*Much skepticism not many, sorry
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 No.149501

>>148780
the military are literally just racist drug dealers who are going along to get along, they have no principles outside of racism and drug dealing
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 No.149569

>>148832
In case anyone is in myanmar stop browsing leftypol and start doing opsec shit like encrypting hard drives and using TAILS tbh it's probably to late for any of that to work but better late than never. Avoid using your phone as much as possible.
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 No.150434

>>149569
I remember there was a british lad living in Myanmar that once post on the SEA general. Another one is a local anon that posted right when the coup started. Hopefully they’re okay.
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 No.150445

>>148778
KIA are technically commies not sure how serious their communist beliefs are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mH7LCqw8A8
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 No.150451

>>148848
because dictatorship supported by china=good
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 No.150453

>>150451
It isn't supported by China retard, stop repeating fed talking points.
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 No.150462

>>150445
forget that Im retarfed I confused them with Wa state army lmao
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 No.150553

>>148761
The protestors and insurgents are liberals, they aren't leftists, but they should be supported anyways because bourgeoisie revolutions must precede a proletarian revolution.
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 No.150564

>>150422
>We

Where do you think you are, fascoid dog?
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 No.150702

>>150564
Are we "Anti-Imperialism First! " or not?
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 No.151084

>>150702
No class struggle first , internationalism frist so nationalism is always a bourgeois enemy
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 No.151185

>>151084
>internationalism
Is internationalism even viable considering major international organisations are majority neoliberal-captured? Consider the UN, NGOs etc. Solidarity here is just a pious wish. And if it's just a pious wish, might as well curse the Bamar shits.
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 No.151199

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 No.151656

bump
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 No.151666

>>148932
For real?
Wow they are fucked then. That's hilarious
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 No.151853

>>151666
No one but the military themselves wanted the coup, all the trade unions are against it, so are the buddhist monasteries, and forighn investors, and minorities, or intelligentsia, literally no one but the officers wanted this to happen.
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 No.151867

>>151853
The situation is similar to the revolutions of 1848 except replace aristocrats with military officers.
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 No.151879

File: 1617517027660.png (1.17 MB, 854x500, Screenshot_2021-04-04 Myan….png)

>At least six civilians, including some who had been wounded, were arrested by the military regime’s forces during the clashes with villagers in Yinmabin Township, Sagaing Region on Friday.
>The clashes started about 4 a.m. Friday near the Thapyayaye village in the township after villagers had conducted a defensive action against nearly 100 military troops approaching the village for a raid.
>Local residents claimed that the military regime’s forces attempted to attack the village because some of villagers and village’s monk have been leading anti-regime protests in the township.
>In the morning, the military’s forces in the battle were reinforced with about 100 more troops. Meanwhile, hundreds of villagers from more than three dozen other villages from Yinmabin Township and Kani Township arrived to help the civilian forces fighting against the junta’s gunmen.
>In the defensive action, villagers used homemade percussion lock firearms and homemade gas pressure guns firing glass or steel balls. They faced military troops using live rounds of ammunition.
>“We must fight back against them, if not, our generation will face a worse situation than us. They have no laws,” a neighborhood villager who battled the regime’s forces for Thapyayaye village, told The Irrawaddy.
>Local villagers said that in the afternoon, the military troops retreated into the forests after facing the combined offensive by several villages.
>“We don’t know exactly how to decide to go forward. We have never seen such kinds of clashes between the military’s troops and villagers before,” a resident of Thapyayaye village told The Irrawaddy on Friday.
>According to that resident, many older people and children have fled their homes in the village in fear of the military troops.
>“We have no proper weapons, but despite that we want to resist the military regime. I would like to request ethnic armed forces to help us,” a resident of Yinmabin Township, who is one of those organizing anti-regime demonstrations in the township, told The Irrawaddy.
>After the military regime used live rounds, hand grenades and explosives while conducting weeks of deadly crackdowns on peaceful anti-regime demonstrations, protesters across Myanmar are responding with defensive actions by using traditional homemade firearms, homemade gas pressure guns, handmade bows and arrows and Molotov cocktails.
>Villagers have also conducted an offensive against the military junta’s forces going to Kale town in Sagaing Region for four days beginning Monday. Reinforcement troops sent to help regime forces attacking the town were met by the villagers using traditional homemade percussion lock firearms at a site 15 miles away from the town.
>During clashes between March 30 and April 1, about five villagers were killed by the junta’s forces. Another villager was killed by security forces while he was at his home, local residents told The Irrawaddy.
>Also, 11 other protesters were killed by military regime gunfire during the crackdown against the anti-regime protests in the town.
>During the recent clashes in the township, military forces used lives rounds, machine guns, hand grenades and bomb launchers to attack civilians resisting them, according to the residents of Kale.
>On Friday, Myanmar also saw two more deaths at the hands of military regime forces. A 26-year-old policeman, who had been participating the nationwide civil disobedience movement, was shot dead by the junta’s forces during an attack on residents in Tamu Town, Sagaing Region about 2 a.m.
>In addition, Ma Su Su Kyi, an employee of the Yangon branch of South Korea’s Shinhan Bank, died in hospital Friday morning. She had been shot in the head by the regime’s forces while traveling home in an office car on March 31.
>As of Thursday, 543 people have been killed by the military regime’s forces during the crackdowns and raids against the anti-regime protesters, bystanders, pedestrians and civilians, according to the Assistance Association for Political Prisoners (AAPP).
>Tens of thousands of people across Myanmar continue to take to the streets daily to show their defiance of the military regime.
>Thousands of government staffs are taking part in the nationwide civil disobedience movement defying the military rule.
https://archive.is/LAu85#selection-2008.0-2008.1
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 No.151971

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>>151879
Imagine losing to a bunch of villagers. This coup is suck a disaster of unprecedented proportions. The civil war is now inevitable especially since the police defected.
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 No.151978

>>151879
>homemade percussion lock firearms and homemade gas pressure guns firing glass or steel balls
is this practical? I thought homemade firearms are basically useless.
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 No.152006

>>150451
Their main supporter is Russia as of now, China is watching from the distance like the geopolitcal cucks they are.
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 No.152007

>>151971
<The police defected
WTF WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?
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 No.152011

>>148836
Newfag here, is it too simple to say there is no real good outcome apart from a weakened state ripe for later coup?
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 No.152032

>>152011
For now you're completely right.
Neither of the two sides espouses socialist values or policies in any way shape or form so probably some kind of junior officer coup a la Gheddafi in the aftermath of the Civil War by some socialist minded officer of either armies is the best outcome. (very very not likely to happen though).
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 No.152077

>>152007
Only a few dozens that left to join the protesters. Nothing major, but if the protest curbing continues to be led by the military with actual airstrikes, the police will get sidelined soon enough.
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 No.152169

https://www.irrawaddy.com/opinion/commentary/junta-dragging-myanmar-full-blown-civil-war.html

<21 members of the security forces killed ever since in late March protesters started doing arson attacks


Civil war is not even certain, is already ongoing.
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 No.152173

>>152169
Also why the fuck do libs seem to be ENTHUSIASTIC for a war that will kill hundreds of thousands? This article literally concludes with "War is coming!" ffs
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 No.152177

>>152173
looking at the donbass thread, its not like leftists arent looking forward to war either
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 No.152187

>>151978
They are useless in a direct confrontation, but useful in an ambush, the fact random villagers are showing more tactical initiative is what makes this anti-coup uprising the most likely to succeed. guess thats what happens when your officer's only experience is fighting unarmed civilians and your NCOs are illiterate conscripts.
>>152006
China is in a lose lose situation because all their economic investments in Myamar are lost because of widespread strikes and vandalism and looting (which is done by both the military and protestors) the only way to quell the strikes is for the coup to step down, but if that happens then the new government will be extremely pro-American due to anti-Chinease sentiment among protestors and the government in exile. The NLD were geopolitically neutral neolibs who allowed forighn capital from all countries to enter Myamar, but most people on the ground dislike the NLD because their neoliberalsim is unpopular and many people think of them as weak. I would be very surprised to see the NLD come back to power. Its important to remember the CDM and NLD are two very different groups.
>>152173
>why the fuck do libs seem to be ENTHUSIASTIC for a war
Because they believe that they will win, and unless China directly intervenes they probably will. Note that the Junta in Burma isn't the Ba'athists in Syria, the Junta has no real base of support outside of themselves. The Junta can't organize pro-Junta militas because no one would join. The only way the Junta could win is if the convince China that if the coup fails then the new government will be an American puppet as so China should directly intervene. (as in Chinese tanks crossing the boarder a la Hungary 1956). China knows that the protestors are pro-American, but intervening could create a costly insurgency and help fuel anti-Chinease sentiment in Southeast Aisa. Their best bet would be to left the protestors win, and hope that eventually their pro-American position despairs after an election or two. Burma isn't worth losing their soft power over.
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 No.152192

>>152169
>>152173
The irrawaddy is run by pro-CDM exiles. They aren't neutral commentators or even western libs.
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 No.152195

>>152177
That's because people know that if Russia acts fast and good NATO could take a huge hit and the losses could be somewhat contained (still we talk about thousands of people in the end so there is a psycho doomer component even in what goes on in the Donbass thread at the end of the day).
In this case though we have people from a given country cheering on mass murder of their very own people which probably would lead to warlordism and violence everywhere and which does not promise to end soon in any way shape or form.
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 No.152216

>>152195
Their already is violence and mass murder in Myamar, what do you expect the protestors to do, just let themselves get shot, no they are going to take up arms.
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 No.152224

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 No.152328

>>152224
It seems these guys are going from victory to victory lately. I suspect there's some propaganda aspect in this but nevertheless i see the Junta gettin in real troubles really fast if they keep this pace.
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 No.152821

File: 1617570184932.png (83.59 KB, 1094x610, Screenshot_2021-04-04 2021….png)

Imagine if workers in Chile did this in reaction to Pinochet.
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 No.152827

>>152187
Good analysis, China's Belt and Road isn't (and cannot) be a simple case of economic projection, they are keenly aware of their brand. Now of course this hasn't mattered much in Myanmar yet (though they did at least make a token effort with their Dam launches to get some Kachin be-costumed dancers for the ceremony etc).

Coming in with tanks on the side of the junta would be the absolute worst thing China could do right now as far as global soft power goes. It would be seen as the New Chinese Empire's original sin.

In fact, you could make the argument, that China coming in to depose the Junta would be both a public relations coup (that would bring western libs out in support even) and the best thing they could do to salvage their economic investments with the future NLD government. Because right now, the people in Myanmar are getting very sinophobic.
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 No.152836

>>152827
China is trying to get both sides to calm down because a civil war in Myanmar means that refuges will spill over into Yunnan, as will smugglers and crime. The problem is that the junta clearly doesn't want to step down, and the protestors won't accept anything that isn't the Junta stepping down.
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 No.153081

>>152827
>>152836
How many soldiers does the junta have and how wealthy is the officer's deep state?
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 No.153103

all the thing seem to arrive really fast. Even is they are not socialist i praise that the movement win this revolt so that all this does not sink into the blood and because I think that our generations need to see popular revolutions, even liberal ones succeed as example.
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 No.153106

>>152821
Yes it's amazing what a difference having the CIA on your side makes
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 No.153131

>>153081
possessing forighn weapons you don't know how to use is not very useful, it takes time to adapt new systems into a doctrine
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 No.153141

File: 1617580487288.png (51.27 KB, 1344x338, Kapp coup.PNG)

>>153106
Wtf? this is basically the easiest power of working class , the power to strike. This isn't CIA tier shit. Why do you put cia where this is evident that it's not? And i know that they are libs but damn.
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 No.153149

>>153141
You sort of asked why this didn't happen in Chile. I'm just saying it's a lot easier to get something off the ground when intelligence agencies from countries far more powerful than yours are helping out
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 No.153152

>>153137
>>153141
Even if there was no CIA involvement thwy had OVERWHELMING support from every media outlet possible, PLUS support of a relevant political entity PLUS probably good enough funding.
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 No.153163

>>153149
Ah it wasn't me that asked that
>>153152
Yeah i think there is even some cia shit but a strike can be effective without all that.
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 No.153183

>>152836
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/05/myanmar-coup-chinas-non-interference-could-hurt-china-says-analyst.html
There are significant Chinese investments in the country, so their best interest is peace yes. It looks like protesters are attacking Chinese businesses which is pants on head retarded, why would you try and force the PRC to align with the junta to protect their investments?
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 No.153186

>>153183
They already believe China is supporting the junta so the business shit is seen as retaliation by them
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 No.153191

>>153186
Why do they even believe that?
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 No.153192

>>153183
>>153186
The last thread had photos of dudes in military uniforms bombing the chinese factory. So it's also likely false flagging by the gov in an effort to bring the PRC in on their side
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 No.153193

File: 1617582563974.png (323.86 KB, 379x955, Junko_Enoshima_(DR2)_Fullb….png)

>>153192
Fucking devilish
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 No.153204

>>153191
Western media pumping Anti China rhetoric while China has 0 soft power brings these results.
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 No.153222

This whole "everybody in SEA hates China" is overblown and largely promoted by glowies, even on this irrelevant shithole. Yes there is plenty of anti-PRC as well as straight up anti-Chinese sentiment but there are also large bases of conservatives in those countries who look up to the PRC because of how it's developed so much in a short time and general cultural affectations for "order"and shit like that. Not leftist sentiment clearly, but it's not like these countries are frothing at the mouth at China like certain people are trying to sat
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 No.153235

File: 1617584532922.png (945.52 KB, 638x847, ClipboardImage.png)

>>148761
Libs asking for freedom-bombs
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 No.153237

File: 1617584614420.png (1.18 MB, 1500x500, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.153262

>>153191
Because China vetoed UNSC sanctions on Myanmar. The protestors want the UN to sanction their own country.
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 No.153287

>>153262
Sanction what, exactly?

>starving yourself to own the junta
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 No.153297

>>153262
>>153235
>>153237
>>153287
>please starve us to death sirs
>please bomb us USA
>let's attack businesses instead of the junta
they are retarded, for fuck's sake, this is why they shoud have socialist organizations instead of this mess
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 No.153325

>>153297
They are probly emigres living the good western lives lol
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 No.153333

>>153297
i wish there was a decently strong anarchist movement to come to the fore in myanmar. china can get to fuck, but neolib "freedom imports" is fucking awful too. just punt the cunts out and declare myanmar an autonomous zone, pls
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 No.153339

>>153333
also, holy shit quads lol, bow down shitlords
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 No.153374

>>153297
You can't have socialist organizing until after the bourgeoisie revolution occurs.
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 No.153386

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 No.153398

>>153386
dialectics
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 No.153403

>>153374
Mondragon says hi.
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 No.153640

>>148761
I hope the WA state ends up safe. Its the most developed/ armed and are the most left of any of the militias.
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 No.153648

>>153333
Quads have spoken
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 No.153689

File: 1617615827403.jpg (54.09 KB, 400x473, Sophie_Taeuber-Arp_Komposi….jpg)

Is there an anon that have more info on the situation ?
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 No.153763

>>153333
>anarchism
<in SEA or even the third world in general
Lmao. You guys would be laugh out of the room, there’s a reason anarchism failed to take roots anywhere outside of the fed nurtured west. Anarchism is in general too weak to confront anything other than cops with batons, once the guns are out, all of the “non-hierarchical organization” will puff into smoke like a cup of hot coffee thrown into cold air. Especially when you’re so opposed to vanguardist or people’s arm forces with clear hierarchy to the point of betrayal of the left like in Spain.
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 No.153771

>>153763
Just miss once anon please.
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 No.153799

>>153763
>like a cup of hot coffee thrown into cold air.
what did anon mean by that
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 No.153808

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 No.153951

https://twitter.com/Myanmar_Now_Eng/status/1379070585888591873

>[Flower name] Revolution*

Yep they got glowies on their side

(*Yeah i know about Portugal in 1975 but that was just one case and 46 years ago)
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 No.153956

https://twitter.com/maytoekhine/status/1379070710098890755

<Elon Musk wants to provide Internet via Starlink satellite to the protestors


Reddit about to overflow with cringe if this happens
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 No.154148

>>153956
You need a $500 antenna to get starlink internet, I don't think people will buy that in a country with a GDP per capita of 1,000. Unless the CIA bankrolls it.
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 No.154150

Alright it has become obvious, that this is just another proxy conflict between the USA and Russia. Has anyone some hard numbers, who the majority of the population supports? How big is the support for the junta among the people of Myanmar?

>Russia seeks deeper ties with Myanmar military junta

https://www.ft.com/content/c023ae3a-b667-4da6-811f-2ae6875053f0
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 No.154167

>>154150
>not posting archive link
I'm not paying FT's paywall
https://archive.is/8hhpT
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 No.154170

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 No.154173

>>154167
Thanks, I've thought there was no paywall
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 No.154176

>>154170
I don't use chrome
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 No.154178

>>154150
A proxy conflict between two powers which are 3000km from Myanmar each, while China standing right next to the border stays eternalyl cucked.
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 No.154225

File: 1617649418137.jpg (229.41 KB, 2392x1178, BCIM.jpg)

>>154150
>this is just another proxy conflict between the USA and Russia.
And either way China loses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCIM_Economic_Corridor

Assuming Central Asia falls of extremism that leaves only two safe corridors; Through Russia or the traditional overseas route (subject to possible USN blockade) Convenient for both Moscow and DC
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 No.154259

>>154225
This is the price to pay for a cuck foreign policy.
The minute they grow a spine and start acting will be a minute too late.
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 No.154264

>>154225
Also tbh they don't need full control in Central Asia they just need to control at least one of these two:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakhan_Corridor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmenistan
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 No.154430

Small announcement for whoever is interested : on myanmar.liveuamap.com there's a first online tracker of the events occurring in Myanmar.
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 No.154436

>>154264
Afghanistan will end up as either an American puppet or rulled by Salifists. I don't know which one is worse for Beijing.
>>154259
China has a spine when it comes to Taiwan and the South China Sea. China's problem is that they only have so many resources and they are dedicating much of their military and diplomatic resources to countering whatever America is doing. You could say China is chasing America's tail.
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 No.154487

>>153763
is rojava not a thing? and i'm not against all hierarchy, but i do think an overall decentralised or cellular approach would be best in order to avoid a people's army becoming too beholden to the politics of a small group or individual; the ira managed to btfo the british empire, at the time the most powerful empire on earth, despite being a bunch of skint farmers with precious little armaments.
by anarchist i'm mostly meaning "not completely centralised or beholden to wishes of a select few, and not striving for a state". and tbf, anarchism would probably have a higher success rate if authoritarian leftists didn't keep trying to bump them off

but fuck all that, i had quads, so i spoketh the truth
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 No.154514

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 No.154874

File: 1617670518209-0.png (1.7 MB, 907x1257, insane.png)

File: 1617670518209-1.gif (506.72 KB, 238x238, 7ab.gif)

I've asked on Reddit, why people support Russia despite backing the military junta and how this behaviour could be considered "anti imperialist". Then this mad lad posted an entire essay only to say in the last paragraphs:
>I won't even begin with Myanmar
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 No.154948

>>154874
>Russian bourgeoisie interest is a danger to US hegemony
Russian Porkies store their money in US banks and US real estate markets, their kids go to US private schools, and they often hold American passports. What world does this person live on?
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 No.154957

>>154948
The anti-American mindset is a twisted and contradictory place. When your entire ideology is based on just oppose a single entity without nuance or critical thinking, it devolves into delusion.
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 No.155199

>>153763
isn't thailand big on anarchism? I mean Im a commie but even anarkiddies are better than this libs
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 No.155201

>>154436
american puppets have no hope and salafists are aight as long as you got money to pay em
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 No.155217

>>155201
>salafists are aight as long as you got money to pay em
I wouldn't say that.
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 No.155310

>>148761
USA caused this somehow. I can't prove and I can't explain how I know but it must be true.
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 No.155315

>>155199
Might've mixed Thailand up with Indonesia. Big anarchist scene and union territory there.
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 No.155370

>>154874
>Germany wasnt imperialist in either world wars because the British Empire was the global hegemon
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 No.155378

>>155315
Mostly because anything even remotely resembles a red flag over there is banned. Some of them are just crypto sukarnoists trying to hide their power level.
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 No.155494

File: 1617708948567-0.png (145.15 KB, 767x547, SoelinAungthefrictionofcar….png)

File: 1617708948567-1.jpg (40.38 KB, 329x500, notbeinggoverned.jpg)

>>153333
tell me what you mean by Anarchism?
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 No.155499

>>154874
Didn't know about /r/asiansocialists

I've posted our article there for comrades
https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianSocialists/comments/ml9nxl/structural_analysis_of_the_myanmar_coup_and_its/?
(upvote and comment if you can :P)
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 No.155517

>>153763
Good thing about being a bootlicking cuck ,you don't have to worry about the cops with batons
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 No.155537

>>154487
Idk about anarchist theory but Rojava has pretty much capitalism as an economic system so how can it be classified as anarchism? Maybe i'm missing something though.
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 No.155575

>>154170
>Using chrome
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 No.155839

>>155217
well yeah you still gotta avoid infighting wich is probably the most likely outcome for afghanistan considering what happened last time
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 No.155845

File: 1617725093456.png (4.6 KB, 170x59, ClipboardImage.png)

>>155575
<chrome
you collosal reatard
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 No.155847

>>154176
Is clicking a link so hard for you mongs? it works in firefox, v. clearly.
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 No.156103

>>155494
Oh for fuck sake this orientalist book again?
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 No.156406

>>156103
I'm not anarchist but in fact it's a pretty serious anthropology book. He was well received in anthropologist circles even if has some holes.
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 No.156418

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 No.156679

>>156406
None of the established concepts was well received especially in the Asian anthropologist circle. The “research” are full of racist assumptions to justify a willingness in living in poor conditions due to the author’s clear self proclaimed “anarchist” (liberals with yellow fever) bias. I read the dreadful thing, and it is truly a waste of time as none of the data was taken from actual local researchers. It feels as outdated as most 18th and 19th centuries books written by colonialists toward their subjects. When your book in modern day is somehow more racist than a French book about indochinese culture, you fucked up.
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 No.157852

File: 1617830951043.jpeg (61.98 KB, 480x640, Insert_img_070421_7.jpeg)

>A series of explosions rocked at least seven locations in Yangon, including state-owned offices, a military cantonment area and a shopping mall, on Wednesday.
.Three explosions occurred in the early morning in a cantonment area near the Shwedagon Pagoda, in Yangon’s Dagon Township, where the families of military personnel are housed.
>A witness told The Irrawaddy that the blasts came from stun grenades that had been put on a vehicle on Ziwaka Street in front of the housing unit. Although the vehicle received minor damage, no heavy damage to the surrounding area was reported.
.The regime’s state-run Myawaddy TV reported Wednesday evening that three stun grenades exploded in that incident, one near the housing, a second one in a garbage bin and a third one on the windshield of a parked car.
>Three other explosions reportedly occurred near the Yangon’s Hluttaw compound in Dagon Township when three grenades were thrown, the regime’s TV station reported.
>Another two explosions occurred at the Sanchaung Township administration office and under the Myaynigone Flyover bridge in the township.
>Some vehicles near the administration office received damage.
>In addition, stun grenades were reported to have exploded at the Myanmar Plaza shopping mall in Bahan Township and near the eight miles junction in Mayangone Township. Those blasts came after an explosion occurred at the Myanmar Port Authority office at Yangon’s Kyauktada Township on Wednesday morning.
>Those responsible for the explosions remain unknown.
>On Myanmar’s most popular social media platform, Facebook, people voiced their suspicions about who might be behind the attacks, given the locations of some of the blasts.
>Located in the vicinity of former War Office, which is still occupied by the military, and other army-related buildings, the cantonment on Ziwaka Street was believed to be impregnable.
>Many people have expressed suspicions that the regime arranged the blasts as a pretext to escalate the crackdown on anti-regime protesters who have been accused by military coup leaders of destabilizing the country.
>The regime claims nightly via state-run TV that “rioters”—the military’s euphemism for anti-regime protesters—are attacking government offices, local level administration offices and police stations.
>On Tuesday afternoon, a bus owned by the military regime was damaged by an explosion while it was being parked at the compound of a bus terminal owned by the regime at Yangon’s South Oakkalap Township.
>Last week, two military-owned shopping malls in Yangon-—one downtown and another in the northern part of city—burned down during curfew hours when no civilians were not allowed to be out.
>Following the February coup, more than two dozen government offices, local administration offices and police stations in the country had been attacked.
>Amid the daily deadly crackdowns and arrests, tens of thousands of people across Myanmar have taken to the streets to show their defiance of military regime.
>As of Wednesday morning, more than 590 people have been killed by the military regime during their lethal crackdowns, shootings and raids against the anti-regime protests, bystanders, pedestrians and residents.
https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/series-explosions-rock-least-seven-locations-myanmars-largest-city.html
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 No.157924

So have the street protests stopped now or are they still ongoing?

What's the status of the ethnic armies and are we seeing an 88 style move or urban protesters to the borderlands to link up and fight guerrilla style yet?
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 No.158054

>>157924
>So have the street protests stopped now or are they still ongoing?
they are still happening, people are still getting shot in them
.and are we seeing an 88 style move or urban protesters to the borderlands to link up and fight guerrilla style yet
no, but some have started throwing bombs at the military, and military infrastructure
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 No.158059

How many officers, if any, have defected to the protestors side? that's the important question.
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 No.158070

I found this channel, where you can watch clips of the situation there
https://www.youtube.com/c/MKPBurmeseBlog/videos
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 No.158081

File: 1617842366579.mp4 (49.83 MB, 1280x720, Dictatorship must fall Ara….mp4)

Why do I get Rojava vibes?
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 No.158495

>>158081
Idk Ypg at least expressed an ideology as cringe as it may be. These people seem a pneumatic boid to me.
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 No.158505

>>158081
This was filmed pre-Covid and therefore pre-junta due to the lack of masks and social distancing, right?
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 No.158559

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>>158495
>Ypg at least expressed an ideology as cringe as it may be.
Watch out!
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 No.158596

>>158559
Oh no the powerful 30000 strong army of farmers with no industrial base, what a formidable enemy.
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 No.158722

File: 1617878161386.png (883.71 KB, 800x1200, 41701fd2bd94eccaf4827beb49….png)

>Why yes I do support the coup just because I like the name Burma more than Myanmar, how could you tell?
Next stop: Ceylon
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 No.158726

>>158722
Average freedom and democracy fan vs average military junta enjoyer.
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 No.158915

>>158713
>32 chinease factories have been destroyed
wtf
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 No.158944

>>158915
It’s the real reason why China doesn’t support the coup. It disrupts their business.
Looting and destruction of factories is a normal thing in riots.
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 No.158947

File: 1617891639849.png (153.43 KB, 750x593, 1617232203191.png)

For some reason this thread keeps dissapearing all the time because the image uploaded is glitched. Someone should make a new one
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 No.159589

Does anyone have an estimate of the numbers of all the ethnic armies put together vs the tatmadaw?
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 No.159605

>>159589
>all the ethnic armies
Are they even all on the same team? How many factions are there actually?
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 No.159661

>>158495
>pneumatic boid
Sorry, english is not my main language. But what does this mean? I can't find any translation for this.
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 No.159770

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>>159661
>Sorry, english is not my main language. But what does this mean? I can't find any translation for this.
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 No.159772

>>159661
I have never herd of this world until today
t native English speaker
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 No.159774

>>159772
Same, I’m a native speaker as well and I’ve heard of it but have no idea what it means or how to use it in a sentence.
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 No.159796

>>159661
>>159774
Sorry my bad i thought in English "pneumatic void" had the same meaning as the Italian "vuoto pneumatico", which means the complete absence of something, but i see that it is not used figuratively in other languages.
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 No.159811

File: 1617918653019-0.png (5.1 MB, 1731x1693, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1617918653019-1.png (1.23 MB, 1024x768, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1617918653019-2.png (584.76 KB, 1024x768, ClipboardImage.png)

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File: 1617918653019-4.png (981.18 KB, 1024x768, ClipboardImage.png)

>>159661
>>159770
>>158495
>>159772
>>159774
>>159796
This reminded me of this computer game I used to play as a little kid called "Shark! Hunting the Great White" (2001).

One of the weapons you can unlock is the pneumatic speargun.
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 No.159845

>>159796
LMAO now I see what you mean.
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 No.159907

>>159796
idioms very rarely translate across languages
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 No.159917

>>159811
To be fair that graphics look damn fine for 2001.
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 No.159936

File: 1617922337971.png (1.31 MB, 1125x500, Screenshot_2021-04-08 Myan….png)

Myanmar Junta Uses Explosives, Killing At Least Two Dozen Protesters
>At least 11 civilians were killed and nearly 30 injured during clashes with regime forces near Taze Township in Sagaing Region on Wednesday evening.
>By Thursday morning, around 612 civilians have been killed by the military junta since the February coup.
>Using homemade firearms and air guns, residents attempted to prevent seven trucks full of troops from entering the town at around 4pm on Wednesday.
>Residents claimed the troops were being deployed to crack down on daily anti-regime protests in Taze, which have attracted tens of thousands of people but had not been attacked by the junta’s forces until yesterday.
>Taze protesters battled troops using automatic firearms and sniper rifles, a resident told The Irrawaddy.
>After civilians retreated, troops deployed in the town on Wednesday evening.
>Residents said people were leaving the town and the wounded were seeking treatment elsewhere to avoid the junta’s forces.
>On Thursday, Taze was empty amid loudspeaker announcements by the military threatening to shoot anyone seen on the streets.
>Protests in Kale Township, Sagaing Region, also faced a dawn raid to remove protesters’ roadblocks on Wednesday.
>During the raids, the regime used explosives and live rounds against protesters armed with homemade firearms, air guns and slingshots, according to protesters.
>Around 12 protesters were killed, mainly by explosives, and more than 12 were injured. Three civilians who were not protesting were shot dead and their bodies were taken away by the junta’s forces, a source said.
>“They used explosives and automatic fire against protesters. It is unacceptable. This is not a real war,” a young protester in Kale told The Irrawaddy on Thursday.
>In earlier crackdowns in Kale, the security forces used automatic fire and rocket launchers against protesters.
>Myanmar’s military regime has intensified crackdowns against the civilian population in recent days, although protests continue and activists look for alternative ways to oppose the junta.
https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-junta-uses-explosives-killing-least-two-dozen-protesters.html
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 No.159951

>>159936
>Fighting pitched battles with the police instead of retreating and regrouping

It's from details like this you know these protestors are libs.
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 No.159964

>>159951
>Having bad military tactics means you are a lib
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 No.159973

>>159964
It usually signals a lack of reflexive reasoning on one's part, and/or a tendency for adventusim (which is a problem in itself) . Also these are not some kinda of advanced guerilla techniques, these are more like "avoid facing an enemy in superior numbers with inferior weapons" kind of shit, which should be fairly obvious to anyone.
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 No.159987

>>159973
Nothing wrong, with what you say here. It is still stupid to call them because of that "libs".
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 No.160004

>>159951
can you fucking stop with this shit analysis
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 No.160017

>>160004
What's shit about it?
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 No.160038

>>160017
just saying "lib"
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 No.160527

>>160004
Prove me these people are not liberals.
You can't cause they overwhelmingly are.
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 No.161178

>>159951
their is no type of terrain that is easier to defend then a city, fighting the junta in the streets is probably easier to do then fight them in the jungles
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 No.161335

File: 1617998003007.png (239.51 KB, 600x600, ClipboardImage.png)

>>160527
Not him but burden of proof is always on the person making a positive claim. Otherwise you can say something like:
>"Prove to me that there is NOT a real, live, breathing, purple unicorn with wings flying around on some random planet somewhere in a far away galaxy of the universe."
And just sit there smug and comfy in your little armchair as I have to bust my ass and search through every single nook and cranny of the entire physical universe (literally impossible to do within a single human lifespan, much less with currently available technology, probably just impossible period considering that the universe is constantly expanding, therefore new galaxies, stars, and planets are continuously being formed) in order to definitely prove to you that there is NOT a real, live, breathing, purple unicorn with wings flying around on some random planet somewhere in a far away galaxy of the universe :^) .

This is freshman Logic 101 stuff, usually offered under the Philosophy department at most Universities
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 No.161353

File: 1617998507069.png (454.56 KB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.164701

>>159987
>They used explosives and automatic fire against protesters. It is unacceptable.
>This is not a real war
But they are definitely libs for using tactics of protesting and civil disobedience, instead of an insurgency, when they have guns pointed at them and are pointing guns back. "Dude, are we an insurgency?" This is the sort of lack of situational awareness that only libs can achieve.
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 No.164734

>>161335
It would be a pity if someone made a 700 replies thread in which gets outlined time and again why these people are libs, you could check it anon is still on the catalog.
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 No.166016

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/aa-chief-not-want-myanmars-strikes-protests-rakhine-state.html

One of the ethnic militias rumoured to back the neoliberals is disavowing the protests.
Not a good look for the lib faction.
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 No.166025

>>166016
Also while the killings continue it seems the real game is to gain the favors of the ethnic militias. The strategy of the military seems to be focused on gaining the favors of some of these militias thereby creating cracks in the anti coup front.
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 No.166099

>>166016
Sounds like they're plotting to declare independence.
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 No.166203

Anonymous has come to Myanmar

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