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 No.1539368


I’ve just read the excellent book of Kemi Seba on panafricanism. Generally very good. Some points are still shocking.

I totally agree with essential points:

1. Africans (melanodermites in general) should be liberated profoundly from any traces of colonial alien consciousness, imposed mentality - blowing up Hegelian dialectics of Master/Slave. Africans were never enslaved in the reality that was messianic eschatologic expirience of passing the cruel test.
2. Africa can not be rebuild basing on White (essentially racist) political theories - liberalism, communism, nationalism. Africa needs new political theory based on melanodermite metaphysics - One (lazy) God and His Metaphysical Government (GM).
3. Africans should be proud to be what they are and not imitate Western White racist civilization.
4. Core essence of African soul / African society is Tradition and sacredness. Modern West is the same as profanism, anti-Tradition, materialism and secularism. It is satanic civilization that should be overcome and struggled against.
5. African life should be organized on the pattern of quilombo (mocambo) - self sufficient rural community based on solidarity and mutual help. So African choice: community against society (F.Tönies).
6. Africa should be fully independent pole of multipolar world, united as Melanodermite eschatological Empire.
7. Africans were original people = Adam Kadmon. They belong to the golden age of humanity. We are living in the iron age where anti-blacks (Whites) rule. The African fight is the global fight for restauration of Golden Age and Sacredness. Its mission is the historical alchemy — to transform the End into the New Beginnig, the Night of History (kali-yuga) into the New Dawn.
8. African have mission to create new civilization based on veneration of eumelatonin, black skin that is the mark of holy election.
9. There should be panafrican koine — medu netjer (restored ancient Egyptian) or Swahili for everyday use.
10. Metaphysical Government should rule as representatives of Heaven (lazy) Go on the Earth.
11. The blacker the better. Any mulatos should be brought back to melatonin - the marriage of Blacks with lighter skin with Blacks with more dark skin should be sanitarian norm. It is mystical action of liberation from slavery and dispersion. To evict the whitness as the mark of damnation an spiritual disease.
12. Quilombo can be created not only in Africa but in other territories where Africans live - First African State based on quiolombo principle was created in Pernambuku (Brazil) and lasted from 1604 until 1694. It was called Palmares with capital Makaku. More Palmares!

All that is genial!

Nevertheless I disagree with some other points:

1. I don’t consider all white (indoeuropean) civilization as abnormality. Yes it is the ruling culture of Iron Age (agree) but real degradation arrived with Modernity that has cut the sacred roots of White civilization itself. And the real slavery based on biological racism and racist understanding of the level of civilization came only with Modernity. Slavery and enslavering of Blacks it is totally New idea, not traditional, essentially modern. It coincides with capitalism, materialism, desacralization and anglo-saxon domination. The Modernity is real evil in all senses. Not the Whites as such. But we can not not to recognize that Modernity was born in indoeuropean context. But (imho) it is wrong to project Modern European civilization (that is pure satanism and liberation — more clear in liberalism and globalism) on indoeuropean Pre-Modernity where I see no trace of racism. Racism is essentially modern. Slavery as marginal phenomenon existed in ancient societies — White or Black, or Semitic, or Asian. That never ha anything to do with the colour of skin. Racism is capitalist modern anglo-saxon fists of all creation.

2. White indoeuropean cultures fighting liberalism, NATO, capitalism and Modernity in favour of Tradition can be friends and sincere allies of African liberation. We need to build our Empires based on our community liberating from hypnosis of Modernity. Stressing too much the hatred to Whites and exaggeration race fight projecting it to the Ages of Tradition would damage the process of creation of our common liberation front against the Westoxication.

3. 3. I accept that appeal to ancient Egypt as the cradle of original African civilization can be the option. I know that from Cheikh Anta Diop and the works of Mbogmbog Mbassong. But that is brutal reduction of pluralism of African traditions that are so rich and original that acceptance of only one exclusive theory would damage that precious treasure. The blackness itself can not be equated with Egyptian tradition. I think the things are much more complicated.

4. I think that purely melaninocentric approach is a kind of abstraction in the context of Africa itself, but still more is problematic in the case of Sumearian, Elamite, Dravidian and Oceanic peoples. They are so different that we should study them accurately restoring original context severely damaged (I agree) by brutal modern-capitalist colonizers. It is unjust to affirm they are something like ancient Egyptian model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A9mi_S%C3%A9ba

 No.1539369

is this doogin lol

 No.1539371

what a bunch of racist, idealistic schlock

 No.1539373

>>1539369
Yes

https://twitter.com/Agdchan/status/1680274225712463872

 No.1539376

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https://www.geopolitika.ru/en/article/kemi-seba-african-hope-multipolar-world

https://www.geopolitika.ru/en/article/kemi-seba-russia-war-against-globalism

 No.1539377

what the fuck am i reading lol

 No.1539378

File: 1689684182575.png (1.04 MB, 1080x1713, Screenshot_20230718-084136….png)

>>1539377
Wisdom

https://t.me/s/Agdchan

 No.1539379

File: 1689684262514.gif (5.66 MB, 498x330, mind-blow-galaxy.gif)

>>1539378
Black skin is made by magic!

 No.1539380

>>1539379
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmares_(quilombo)

This is a place he mentions. It's interesting

 No.1539384

All these far right schizos vomited the same vocabulary and the same grandstanding mysticism regardless of skin colour.

 No.1539390

>>1539384
Essentially all far right schizos hate black people. Dugin does not

 No.1539398

>>1539390
I'm not talking about racists. I consider racialist thinkers to be fundamentally modernist since their thinking is inherently materialist and reductive (not unlike, say, communists or materialists but i digress). Their ideology can be fundamentally described as a "gas chamber's spreadsheet".
Truly far right elements like Dugin or Kemi Seba however, derive from an entirely different intellectual tradition.

 No.1539407

This is awful to read and only highlights how awful the USA is as a country and how aluenated it's black population is from western Africa. The continent today is fine for a bundle of reasons op: french influence has been removed since last year completely and since then the French economy has gotten worse since no one wants france to move on past imperialist methods of develooment, ECOWAS, AU, and other trans state organizations have emerged over the past decades that have allowed most of the development seen in both NA and subsaharan Africa to occur between africans than rely on something awful like being outsource workers that get treated like shit for working. the continent is fine, Africans are coming to see a better future that was collectively fought for. I don't know what's going on in the USA or france with it's nafri population but I am aware it's nothing good

Don't wrire stuff like this man, it shows nothing but alienation and discontempt for other people much like any other nationalist belief

 No.1539411

>>1539407
This was written by Alexander Dugin who has lived his entire life in Russia

 No.1539417

>>1539411
Anon I wouldn't know any of this if I wasn't African. Op is weird and disconnected from what's going on in the actual continent and is consolidating issues faced in NATO member states with colonial and imperialist ones in Africa as a whole. That's why I commented to clarify what's going on

 No.1539421

>>1539417
the op is copy pasted from a tweet by alexander dugin >>1539373

 No.1539429

>>1539421
Oh thanks for the clarification

 No.1539438

ion man the emphasis on MUH TRADISHUN is kinda fucking trash any movement that cares too much abt idealist bullshit like race and ethnicity just becomes conservative over time like how tf is any different from some other stupid nationalist group? being proud of your ethnicity or race is a shitty cope anyways like dont you got anything cool to flex about then something you were born and didnt even choose?

 No.1539496

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>>1539438
>>1539368
TIRED OF THIS RACE IDENTITY BULLSHIT
This so called "race", "ethnicity", "religion", "MUH KULTUR" IS JUST A BREDEEING GROUD FOR FACISM!!
just think about it, for over 4000 years humans from all breeds have been waging horrible wars, feeding porkies and their own "MUH ELITES" in order to preserve their muh kulrutreligion nonsensical bullshit, justifying colonialism and "genocide" of diferent breeds and profiting on them as if this was a RTS game or some bullshit.
>white identity politics
europid bullshit using slf pitty and "muh great replacement" genocide theories
>muh black identity politics
african humans using self pitty and muh "slavery"
>latino identity politics
muh trad chirstian/indigenous bullshit decadent KULTUR
>muh asian identity politics
muhh 99999 year tradition
i am so fucking tired of this, how the FUCK is the proletariat is supposed to unitd against the pigss if the proletariat keeps dividing themslves and turning anti-capitalist efforts into racialist cryptofacism
>Fuck all genetists genes arent real
>fuck all races we must intermix every single human util we all are brown and equal, bomb every temple, museum or priest

 No.1539500

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>>1539368
Another banger from Aleksandr Gelyevich

 No.1539505

>>1539368
>Kémi Séba
Not a leftist you dumb faggot.
Go back with your right wing nonsense.

 No.1539519

It historically, theory and it's literature, key leaders or people, organizations or movements completely align with Marxism e.g. Walter Rodney, Kwame Nkrumah and Kwame Ture/Stokely Carmichael.

For the continent to be free of it's historical and continued exploitation via Neo Colonialism and Underdevelopment and to act as a Power against the nations in relation to the genesis of Capitalism (Being Europe), it must unite as one, together, as a communist union, and even if capitalist it will benefit it's peoples and the world, including our movement due to multipolarity, hence providing breathing space for organization and opposition to the white capitalist world that rules.

 No.1539585

Pan-Africanism will be Marxist or it won't be Pan-African at all.

From Walter Rodney:
>Any 'Pan' concept is an exercise in self-definition by a people, aimed at establishing a broader redefinition of themselves than that which had so far been permitted by those in power. Invariably, however, the exercise is undertaken by a specific social group or class which speaks on behalf of the population as a whole. This is always the case with respect to national movements. Consequently, certain questions must be placed on the agenda: notably, the following:
>•Which class leads the national movement?
>•How capable is this class of carrying out the historical tasks of national liberation?
>•Which are the silent classes on whose behalf 'national' claims are being articulated?
>The significance of the above questions emerges clearly in the classic case of Pan-Slavic nationalism. The Pan-Slavic ideology of the late nineteenth century and the turn of this century offered the Slav peoples of Eastern Europe a unified vision of themselves, aiming to transcend the fragmentation which was a consequence of the powerful waves of imperial expansion which has [had] struck the shores of the Adriatic and the Black Sea. The Slav intelligentsia who advocated Pan-Slavism were spokesmen of emergent bourgeois forces in the clash against feudalism, and their position also reflected some sympathy for the oppressed peasantry since it was in the interests of capitalism that serfdom be removed. But their hopes were frustrated because they failed to unseat indigenous and external feudal oppressors, including their Slav 'Brothers' who formed the ruling class in Tsarist Russia. Subsequently, the local Balkan bourgeoisie were unable or unwilling to confront capitalist/imperialist partition; and the region gave rise to the term 'Balkanization', as the supreme expression of failure to carry out the task of national liberation and unification. It was left to the Balkan masses under working class leadership albeit under conditions of war to tackle effectively the problem of nationalism and of broader eastern European unity in the period after the second world war. Significantly enough, they did so within the context of socialist reconstruction, a task which was beyond groups benefiting from capitalist exploitation.
>Pan-Africanism in the post-independence era is internationalist in so far as it seeks the unity of peoples living in a large number of juridically independent states. But it is simultaneously a brand of nationalism; and one must therefore penetrate its nationalist form to appreciate its class content. This exercise is made easier by the fact the nationalist movements in Africa which led to the regaining of independence in more than three dozen states constitute a phenomenon which has already received considerable attention. These movements were essentially political fronts or class alliance in which the grievances of all social groups were expressed as 'national' grievances against the colonizers. However, while the workers and peasants formed the over-whelming numerical majority, the leadership was almost exclusively petty bourgeois. Understandably, this leadership placed to the fore those 'national' aims which contributed most directly to the promotion of their own class interests; but they voiced sentiments which were historically progressive, partly because of their own confrontation with the colonialists and partly because of pressure from the masses. Pan-Africanism was one of these progressive sentiments, which served as a platform for that sector of the African or black petty bourgeois leadership which was most uncompromising in its struggle against colonialism at any given time during the colonial period.
>Virtually all leaders of African independence movements paid at least lip service to the idea that regional freedom was only a step towards the freedom and unity of the whole continent; and the most advanced nationalists were usually the most explicit on the issue of Pan-African solidarity. Nkrumah and Kenyatta were both at Manchester; while Nyerere, Kaunda and Mboya were the driving forces behind the Pan-African Movement for East and Central Africa (PAMECA). Within the Francophone sphere, several leaders took Pan-Africanist positions in one form or another. The radical Union des Populations de Cameroun refused to accept colonial boundaries in Africa; Senghor espoused a culturally oriented doctrine of black internationalism, comparable to Pan-Africanism; and even Houphouet-Boigny was initially associated with a political party which was Pan-Africanist in thrust: namely, the Rassemblement Democratique Africaine, which addressed itself to the whole of French West Africa. Pan-African solidarity also manifested itself with regard to the war of independence in Algeria, an episode of which united not merely North Africa but also helped force alliances between progressive nationalists on both sides of the Sahara. Similarly, the rise of national liberation movements dedicated to achieving freedom by any means necessary served to underscore the reality of Pan-Africanism. All African leaders had to concede that freedom in Southern Africa was vital to guarantee the freedom of any given part of Africa, and the test of practice showed that commitment was greatest in the case of the most forward-looking of the petty bourgeois regimes - Ghana (under Nkrumah), Egypt (under Nasser), Tanzania, Zambia and Guinea.
>It would be unhistorical to deny the progressive character of the African petty bourgeoisie at a particular moment in time. Owing to the low level of development of the productive forces in colonized Africa, it fell to the lot of the small privileged educated group to give expression to a mass of grievances against racial discrimination, low wages, low prices for cash crops, colonial bureaucratic commandism, and the indignity of alien rule as such. But the petty bourgeoisie were reformers and not revolutionaries. Their class limitations were stamped upon the character of the independence which they negotiated with the colonial masters. In the very process of demanding constitutional independence, they reneged on the cardinal principle of Pan-Africanism: namely, the unity and indivisibility of the African continent.
>The first Pan-Africanists to engage in the political mobilization of the African masses on African soil had a continental outlook. The African National Congress which was formed in the Union of South Africa in 1912, aimed at being 'African' and not merely 'South African' and it was renamed in 1923 to emphasize this fact. Significantly, organizations of the same name extended into what is now Zimbabwe, Malawi, Zambia and Tanzania. It is also significant that dynamic African spokesmen of the 1930s like Nnamdi Azikiwe and Wallace Johnson were African rather than Nigerian or Sierra Leonean. But the lawyers and place-seekers who eventually took the independence movement in hand were incapable of transcending the territorial boundaries of the colonial administrations. Imperialism defined the context in which constitutional power was to be handed over, so as to guard against the transfer of economic power or genuine political power. The African petty bourgeoisie accepted this, with only a small amount of dissent and disquiet being manifested by the progressive elements such as Nkrumah, Nyerere and Sekou Toure. Areas of West and Central Africa which experienced French colonial rule witnessed the shameless dismantling of those colonial politics which had a large territorial base. Whereas the French had maintained unity for exploitation, the African petty bourgeoisie lacked the capacity to demand both unity and freedom. So they accepted the Balkanization which led to fragments called Ivory Coast, Upper Volta, Niger, Chad, Central African Republic and so on. Since independence, little or no progress has been registered with respect to reversing this Balkanization.
It is a striking historical fact that the bourgeoisie proper have been the spearheads of national unity in which capitalism was first engendered. They sought political unity to guarantee the integration of production and distribution, giving rise to what were then relatively large nation states in Britain, France and Germany as compared to the numerous feudal fiefs which previously existed. The North American continent provides the most formidable example of the identification of bourgeois interests with federal unity and with the building of an infrastructure which rolled across a whole continent without regard to the cost in blood especially since the blood spilt was principally African and Native American (Indian).
>The petty bourgeoisie of Asia, Africa and Latin America are a different breed. They cannot be described as 'entrepreneurs', 'pioneers', 'captains of industry', 'robber barons' or in any of the other swashbuckling terms coined to glorify the primary accumulation of capital. Franz Fanon flays them unmercifully but truthfully when he points to the shoddy, imitative, lack-lustre character of the African petty bourgeoisie. Their role in the international capitalist system has always been that of compradors. Their capital outlay might often be greater than that of a factory owner during the industrial revolution in England during the early nineteenth century, but in the present era of monopoly capitalism it suffices mainly for chicken-farms. In any event, most of the African petty bourgeoisie is not directly involved in economic enterprises - their real sphere being the professions, the administration and the military/police hierarchy. They lack both the vision and the objective base to essay the leap towards continental unity.
>A close scrutiny further reveals that the failure of the African ruling class to effect meaningful unity is not merely due to weakness. Recalling once more the dismantling process which took place in Francophone Africa at the time of negotiated independence, it can be seen that the pusillanimity of the African petty bourgeoisie in the face of the deliberate creation of non-viable dependent mini-states by France attests not merely to the strength of the colonizers but also to fear on the part of the presumptive African rulers that larger territorial units might have negated their narrow class welfare. Throughout the continent, none of the successful independence movements denied the basic validity of the boundaries created a few decades ago by imperialism. To have done so would have been to issue a challenge so profound as to rule out the preservation of the petty bourgeois interests in a compromise 'independence' worked out in conjunction with international capital.
>If the weakness of the present petty bourgeois leadership of Africa were the only problem, then they could be dismissed as passive bystanders, who cannot make operational the potential of Pan-Africanism as an ideology of liberation. However, they maintain themselves as a class by fomenting internal divisions and by dependence on external capitalist powers. These policies are antithetical to Pan-Africanism. The record since independence confirms that the interests of the African petty bourgeoisie are as irreconcilable with genuine Pan-Africanism as Pan-Africanism is irreconcilable with the interests of international capitalism.

 No.1540185

It's almost as if ordinary people, regardless of color, like to honor traditions and don't like the elite bourgeois cosmopolitanism much.

 No.1540200

>>1539368
Answering as an actual black person who interacts regularly with “pro-black” types
> 1. Africans (melanodermites in general) should be liberated profoundly from any traces of colonial alien consciousness, imposed mentality - blowing up Hegelian dialectics of Master/Slave. Africans were never enslaved in the reality that was messianic eschatologic expirience of passing the cruel test.
Explain coherently
> 2. Africa can not be rebuild basing on White (essentially racist) political theories - liberalism, communism, nationalism. Africa needs new political theory based on melanodermite metaphysics - One (lazy) God and His Metaphysical Government (GM).
Nonsense, an idea isn’t roght or wrong based on the skin color of its creator. The flaw of liberalism is that liberals cannot see how capitalism and colonialism, which it is tied to, betrays all the enlightenment ideals it was premised on. The flaw of nationalism is that its sole purpose is to bind the proletariat to the bourgeoisie of a defined territory, it is only remotely useful for colonized populations and that usage is still remote, in the post-colonial context it makes Africa weak and divided. Communism is not “white” and presents the African’s only hope for liberation and survival, as it is the ultimate weapon against imperialism, colonialism, and capitalism.
> 3. Africans should be proud to be what they are and not imitate Western White racist civilization
Correct
> 4. Core essence of African soul / African society is Tradition and sacredness. Modern West is the same as profanism, anti-Tradition, materialism and secularism. It is satanic civilization that should be overcome and struggled against.
Fascistic dogshit, this is where “Pan-Africanism” starts trending towards thinly veiled bourgeois reaction with black proles as the advancing army for black capitalists
> 5. African life should be organized on the pattern of quilombo (mocambo) - self sufficient rural community based on solidarity and mutual help. So African choice: community against society (F.Tönies).
Who is the random nigha to say how all black people should live?
> 6. Africa should be fully independent pole of multipolar world, united as Melanodermite eschatological Empire
More bourgeois imperialist brainrot
> 7. Africans were original people = Adam Kadmon. They belong to the golden age of humanity. We are living in the iron age where anti-blacks (Whites) rule. The African fight is the global fight for restauration of Golden Age and Sacredness. Its mission is the historical alchemy — to transform the End into the New Beginnig, the Night of History (kali-yuga) into the New Dawn.
Yea I’d say this portion is more or less just full blown fascist mythologizing but for black people
> 8. African have mission to create new civilization based on veneration o
<What if we just inverted global white supremacy and made it global black supremacy?

So the rest is more or less increasingly racist and reactionary so that’s that for me

Suffice to say, OP, your interpretation of “Pan-Africanism” is extremely reactionary and borders on National-Socialism but for black people, like with Nazis the chief aim is of course to make proles utterly subservient to the bourgeoisie by making them utterly and completely controlled and subservient to a bourgeois state, except while Nazis do it for white people you’re doing it for black people

 No.1540201

>>1539519
>>1539585
Revolutionary Pan-Africanism is the only hope for black liberation, but OP is promoting deeply reactionary, fascistic “Pan-Africanism”, which is something you regularly encounter in extreme “pro-black” spaces where people call themselves “soulaan” and some such

 No.1540570

>>1539496
straight heat expect for the lysenkoism, modern genetics disproves old school racialist theories in many ways and genes are def real

 No.1540573

>>1539368
>reactionary far-right garbage OP is still here.
Jannies are faggots.

 No.1540581

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>Kemi Seba

 No.1540614

>>1540573
>anons are still seriously responding to copypasta of a wacky Russian meme man

 No.1542520

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>>1542510
Why ((

 No.1542563

>>1539368
I'm more of a Pan-humanism kind of guy.

 No.1544247

https://www.youtube.com/@2nacheki/videos

 No.1544251

>>1540201
>Pan-Africanism

>Black liberation

'Black' only refers to Americans, not Africans who have zero connection to burger racial insecurities

 No.1544269

>>1539496
Me, on the top right.

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 No.1576623

>MAPONGA: Calls For Unity Of Africa As Coup D'etat Surges In West African Countries | Niger

 No.1576626

>>1576623
<bumping to post this in the right wing schizo thread instead of the multiple real thread we have about central and western africa in the catalog currently.
you dumb faggot you are the reason this site is shit.

 No.1576639

>>1576626
The video is literally a pan-africanist.
If you think it's relevant to the the west african threads, you can post it there.

If you don't, by your own standards you are now the dumb faggot that is the reason this site is shit.

Tag.

 No.1576641

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Pan-Africanism is one step away from Pan-humanism. Workers of the world uniting will start in Africa this century.

 No.1576649

>>1539411
>This was written by Alexander Dugin who has lived his entire life in Russia
Kemi Seba is also French. He's from Strasbourg.

 No.1576658

>>1576639
duginist sliding faggot you should literally kill yourself doing the whole world a favoure.

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>>1576658

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>>1581622
>bolsonaro instead of lula in the thumbnail
wtf africabros how can you do this to us

 No.1593577

>WESTERN DEMOCRACY DOES NOT WORK FOR AFRICA


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