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 No.158446

I agree with most leftist critiques against the police but still wonder what kind of body will help average people against criminals and shit.
As much as I'd like to think that the material conditions that led people to becoming criminals in the first place will go away in socialism, I still think violent incidents will still happen at leeast on a minor scale.
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 No.158448

police 2 stasi boogaloo
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 No.158451

Just give everybody a gun and stop making them live in conditions where crime is necessary and decriminalize some of the shit that the capitalist legal system considers illegal and crime will plummet
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 No.158452

Militsiya
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 No.158453

>>158451
You know. I don't hate that.
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 No.158455

MILITSYA
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 No.158457

Black Panther community patrols with mandatory sissification rectification for repeat offenders
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 No.158458

>>158457
/thread
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 No.158465

Reminder: there will be police in the socialist state
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 No.158466

>>158465
Not police Militsiya REEEE
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 No.158470

Community patrols, that is, drawn in an inclusive way from the population as obligatory service which is for a temporary period, that everyone rotates through. The weapons will be confiscated and only distributed to the militia or community patrol.

No privileges given to those that serve their "period" on the patrol because it is what every person does anyways. Strict prohibitions on shoot to kill and probably abolishment of criminalization of petty victimless acts. Recall of officers at any time.

There will not be the current prison or other jail based forms of punishment.

There will be police but they won't be the "police".
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 No.158475

We all return to monke
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 No.158477

Police. They'll be purged of reactionaries and abusers of power.
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 No.158483

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>>158470
>weapons will be confiscated
Very terrible idea, the state shall never have final authority, but rather the proletariat as a class. They must be armed to defend against potential counterrevolutionary elements infiltrating the state. Basic weapons training shall be part of the education system. Also have people's militias instead of militaries. Convicted reactionaries may be disarmed.

Otherwise, you have a decent concept for an alternative to police.
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 No.158484

Gendarmerie
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 No.158487

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>>158484
>Basically military police
This is the worst invention Porkies came up with. Having policing units from the military.
If you voluntarily become MP, you are pure scum.
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 No.158502

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>>158457
/thread
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 No.158520

The state is your drug dealer
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 No.158524

>>158457
Why do you want to encourage criminal behavior?
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 No.158534

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>>158524
>crime
>laws
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 No.158670

>>158470
I don't hate this idea, but I feel like all the rotation and temporary-ness of it will lead to waste. A 'police' force needs a hell of a lot of training which they currently don't get. You'll need to basically have 2 police forces at any one time, the ones in use and the ones in training for when the current ones rotate off.
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 No.158672

>>158487
I was just taking the Piss comrade. Political Commissars all the way for me though
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 No.158676

people's militia, consisting of community members to patrol their own communities
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 No.158677

>>158451
>Just give everybody a gun and stop making them live in conditions where crime is necessary and decriminalize some of the shit that the capitalist legal system considers illegal and crime will plummet
Based. This.

>>158483
This too.

>>158446
>I agree with most leftist critiques against the police but still wonder what kind of body will help average people against criminals and shit.
What criminals?
>As much as I'd like to think that the material conditions that led people to becoming criminals in the first place will go away in socialism, I still think violent incidents will still happen at leeast on a minor scale.
So you're just talking about profitless crime? Just people sperging out? I think once you take care of people's health and well being and stop feeding them poisonous media (Rap, Metal, crime films, action movies. etc.) I'm sure you'll find all that shit will become way less common.
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 No.158686

>>158677
This. When you have a better funcioning society (western europe and socialist eastern e) you have very very few serial killers. While when you live in a fucked up society without safety nets (USA) you have a shitton of serial killers.
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 No.158688

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>>158686
>western europe is a good society
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 No.158718

>>158688
no, only better than U.S.A.
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 No.158725

>>158677
>stop feeding them poisonous media (Rap, Metal, crime films, action movies. etc.)
This is what you consider "poisonous media"? Rap and metal especially seem as reactions to alienation within capitalist society. They might become less common in a socialist society.
The other ones mentioned also don't seem particularly toxic, as long as no anti-communist propaganda is weaved into them as with many Cold War era action films.
I find poorly researched documentaries (with huge biases), sitcoms, celebrity shows and such, which brainwash you pretty hard into consoooomerism and worshipping wealthy much worse.
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 No.158727

>>158670
How about this shit-on-the-wall: have a policing force that's partly professional (with due oversight and accountability) and partly rotating citizens, both types fully integrated of course. The latter would effectively double as lowkey grassroot commissars, making sure the post-piggies doesn't start to get out of line.
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 No.158729

>>158725
>This is what you consider "poisonous media"? Rap and metal especially seem as reactions to alienation within capitalist society. They might become less common in a socialist society.
I didn't say it's a sole cause. Yeah it's a reflection of a culture that already existed before they existed as art forms, but they've only serve to proliferate that evil culture. They don't have to be the sole cause to not be inherently evil in and of themselves.

>The other ones mentioned also don't seem particularly toxic, as long as no anti-communist propaganda is weaved into them as with many Cold War era action films.

Yeah they are toxic. Glorfying violence is always toxic. Forming contrived moral plays where violence is always the answer is toxic.

>I find poorly researched documentaries (with huge biases), sitcoms, celebrity shows and such, which brainwash you pretty hard into consoooomerism and worshipping wealthy much worse.

We were talking about crime and violent crime specifically were we not?
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 No.158864

>>158446
THE PEOPLE'S POLICE™
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 No.158869

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>>158864
Read the thread, dipshit!
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 No.158897

>>158446

I'd look into what rojava does with its law enforcement which has more specific delininations and roles for what situations they respond to.
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 No.158920

>>158725
>I find poorly researched documentaries (with huge biases), sitcoms, celebrity shows and such, which brainwash you pretty hard into consoooomerism and worshipping wealthy much worse.

Completely agree
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 No.158949

Police only exist to impose the will of the ruling class upon the ruled. This also includes the capitalist class as a whole under socialism. Unless we achieve global communism and the class system abolished, they’ll not go away.
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 No.158961

Post apocalyptic cyborg super warrior.
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 No.158981

We need a police state to deal with white collar crime. There should be a specific white collar crime division, whose soul purpose is to police those who are in poser in society. They will be given extensive, unprecedented access to all information which passes through halls of power, and those within halls of power will be subject to extremely rigorous surveillance. The leadership of this body will be elected by the workers institutions and no other. They will not be elected by the communist party in charge.

National housing service, national food and utilities services, National health service, national mental health service, Legalised drugs/ National Drug Service, extensive and sweeping prison reform= crime will drop dramatically.

Community policing = highly trained, highly skilled police, who are also skilled in social work, are on the job drug workers, mental health specialists. Police chiefs should be elected by the community they serve and by nobody else, answerable to whatever mass line institutions are in place, tenants unions, trade unions, community councils etc and nobody else.

Policing should be an elite, honoured position only real big brains can do after undergoing intense physical, ideological and social training, closer to a Jedi Knight than fucking chief wiggum fucks we have now. Yes, I mean that completely unironically.
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 No.158990

EVERYONE is armed
EVERYONE is the police
EVERYONE is the judicial system
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 No.158993

>>158446
Just train cops better and have system where every one is somewhat taken care of. In Finland for example there is maybe 10 bullets shot a year by police and it's usualy aimed to leg. Finland is by no means a communist country, but we have good enaught social security that crime isn't that tempting.

All violence is not class related, I don't know if these "give all guns" post are larping or if they realy think that such a wild west would be better for all.
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 No.161302

>>158446
>What's the communist/anarchist alternative to the police?
The communist police, which enforce the interests of a worker’s party instead of the capitalist class.
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 No.161315

>>158502
I’d love to re-educate astolfo and felix argyle. With my dick.

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