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: The spirit of the samurai is on the side of Russia!
>One of the biggest mistakes multipolaristas make is thinking of western people as eternally evil rather than imagining what life can be like once westerners are free from western governments. Be a forward thinking multipolarist; let's divide the USA into #exUSA and end the immoral imperialism.
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>Foolish atlantean. I have calculated with the force of my incredible online brain the exact chromosome count of your inherited Supermurder genome.<FOOL! As your greasy Atlantean hands type your pathetic whinging, I have used the power of my Bolshevik-Evolean-Eurasainist synthesis of all possible knowledges to advance the TRUE materialism by screaming at you on the internet>Fool. Castles? Atlantean allegorical hypostasis. The Hyperborean Master Race will live in Cube Hives constructed of the pure liberated Hyperborean science of TIME CUBE as enumerated by hyperborean sleeper agend Gene Ray, the most significant materialist ontologist<The Hyperborean Superstate Life Cube will be the allegorical hypostasis of all prior Time Cube energy, in which civil society as an outgrowth of the State will carry the State's immantenization of the eschaton into realizing on Earth the divine ideal-materialist ideal form of the PURE FOUR-SIDED DAY, destroying the Atlantean time dominion
>Imagine how much bank he's making on Twatter from all recent impressions. Can't isolate Gunther. It seems #Fehlingerdoctrine is the way forward. Is the hammer of NATO. Is the neoconservative revival.<Fehlinger is NATO’s answer to Dugin. Soon enough, German university students will be learning about Fehlinger praxis akin to how Russian soldiers learn basic Dugin theory. Instead of Chimputin’s and Dugin’s doctrine of “from Lisbon to Vladivostok”, it’s “from Dublin to Baku”. The difference between these two, of course, being that the west is still insanely powerful and Russia and China have stagnated in growth. They’ve reached their prime whereas western powers are a fusion of Tom Brady, Lebron James, Lionel Messi and Wayne Gretzky.
>(USER COULDN’T LOCATE UKRAINE ON A MAP BEFORE FEB 24)
<MLism is a dead horse that Americucks keep bringing up to disguise this war as an ideological struggle a'la the cold war and obfuscate its true nature of confrontation between the imperial core and the semi-periphery. Ideology is irrelevant, what is relevant is whether you stake your survival on the current capitalist hegemony or against it, and it's pretty clear that American rightoids for all their bitching about ZOG neotroons literally cannot survive without Israel daddy pumping their anal cavities with endless corn syrup pseudoestrogen provided by McConsumerism and will rally behind it come hell or high water
>Fehlinger has described himself as a "coaltroon", a term that was popularized by notorious soyteens on soyjaks.party, a website dedicated to coal, gem and dust. Fehlinger used to be a catboy prior to 2020. He has repeatedly had bouts of Ambien abuse and has claimed that Hitler was a "Harvard communist experiment", on top of also saying that Tsar Nicholas II wrongfully abdicated from his throne. Fehlinger is a fan of both Real Madrid and Atlético Madrid, and also Manchester United and Manchester City. In 2017, he was confined to a Hamburg psychiatric ward for streaking naked near a Turkish brothel claiming that Greek prophecies on "the Turkish race" are coming true. Fehlinger and his wife have a bull whom he orally preps; it has been made known that the bull is a Russian mechanic named Oleg.>Fehlinger only has one ball.
<The leftypol troons that come in to this general trying to shill for Russia by ranting over their neovagina things can never answer one, simple question. Why should anyone who isn't a Marxist support the KGB run Russian state and their Chinese Communist Party allies?
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I think that's the strawman. The point is Russia represents less of a sphere of dependency than American dependents. This seems like an issue when we are looking to expanding the meaning of imperialism past its historical boundaries (the unipolar order), assuming enough global development that means a battle between core and middle income countries is inter imperialist.
At some point you're just explaining the failure of imperialism in uniting the world as because it never finished actually the inter imperialist battle, which is now the belief of liberals.
I actually believe that the Kremlin ziggas try to emulate "real superpowers" at every turn and the resulting cargo cult represents imperialism to some degree.
Tbh this war changed me from an interimperialist war ultra to a staunch Putin supporter. Why? Because this war has shown how weak Russia is. Russia can't even stop drones from attacking their cities. Forget about being a superpower this war has proven Russia's government is so dysfunctional it can't even protect its own citizens from a far weaker military power. So if Russia loses it is 100% guaranteed to turn into a NATO puppet state because internally it is already so damn weak. Russia must win every war until it is strong enough tofinally match NATO by itself. Then and only then would I call it imperialist.
russia is extremely weak, it can just outproduce the entirety of NATO for war material but that doesn’t matter, what wins wars are ideas and genes
>>1597260 >outproduce the entirety of NATO for war material >MOD "outsourcing" any possible shit it can to volunteers: combat medkits, gun kits, mask nets, drones.
Can you just please shut the f up?
If they wanted sympathy maybe they should have at any point in the past 8 years fighting the fucking nazis running their country into the fucking ground.
But when westoids say that all Russian civilians don't deserve sympathy and should rise up and fight their own government… umm BASED sweety??? 💅
I think it's a little different when your country is actively engaged in genocide against its own people for speaking slightly differently, erecting monuments to nazi collaborators, integrates fascist militias directly into the official military, and your president is fighting the judiciary for the right to institute more nazi reforms, all with the express purpose to wage a war of aggression against another state because your entire government has been subverted by the United States government.
I just can't give a shit about all these supposed martyrs for holy Ukraine when they're chomping at the bit to go get blown up by Russian artillery but they weren't doing anything to resist what their own government was doing.
I dunno. Fuck the Ukraine.
What's the endgame honestly? If what Shoigu has accused and Western outlets have been saying all this time about the incompetence and greed of Russian leaders is true how do they benefit under long term sanctions and containment? Are they really hoping to get bailed out by China/North Korea eventually or something?
>>1597277>when they're chomping at the bit to go get blown up by Russian artillery
They aren't, that's why the Ukrainian army has to grab them off the street and shove them into vans.>but they weren't doing anything to resist what their own government was doing
Stupid opinion. If it were easy to organize opposition to a fascist government then there wouldn't be any. The whole point of such a regime is to terrorize people into submission. Everybody likes to think that they would be the heroic resistance fighter in that situation, but the fact is that state terrorism works in 99% of cases, especially when people have families and shit. Those who do resist are only the most exceptionally brave.
Y'all need to stop UKRAINESPLAINING to this angry Russian citizen who 100% knows what's going on better than anyone else does. So take a step back, relax, clear your mind of Western chauvinism (which includes the annoying urge to lecture others on how to be "better" when you're a joke even in your own country) and try to LEARN from this wise man.
this. intersectionality is key. you clowns haven't earned your LIVED EXPERIENCES through the ukraine crisis and are still reflexively apologizing for western backed nazis. it's time to do better sweaties.
Here is the historical materialist and authentic reason why Ukraine actually belongs to Russia. Back in the day, there was no Ukraine or Belarus, it was just Rus. The Rus were the Varangians, the oldest form of Russians. Rus itself emerged from their city of Velikiy Novgorod, which was mentioned as a safe heaven in Viking sagas. A few years later, Rus conquered Kiev from the Vikings, who themselves conquered it from Kazars.
>But what about Kievan Rus??
"Kievan Rus" was a phrase created by a Russian scholar in 1851/53, to identify a certain historical period of the 9th century when Oleg of Novgorod conquered the city and created the Kievan Rus. It's merely an extension of the Rus as a whole.
The Ukrainian nationality can only be traced back to this founding of the Kievan Rus. All of the Ukrainian culture and traditions originates from the Rus, and ethnic Ukrainians cannot claim to be culturally related to the original founders of Kiev, because the founders were Kazars. The original founders are extinct, and modern Ukrainians have no claim over that history today and cannot trace their lineage to before the founding of the Kievan Rus. Remember this whenever a hohloswine opens its mouth to speak about history, or if they say "Kiev is older than Moscow".
There is no endgame. Shoigu (who has no prior military background btw and was only appointed because Cucktin liked him) was way overconfident and as expected from a retard who's never been in the military and didn't study for shit, was expecting a quick and easy win that didn't materialize and then everything after was just constant scrambling and responding to crises moment-by-moment. It's why Prigozhin launched his rebellion because he could see that Russian high command was led by a total retard only in his position because of his loyalty to Cucktin rather than any real competency at war making. And by killing Prigozhin and sidelining Surovikin and alienating the Wagner fighters who were far better at fighting, Cucktin has shown that he prioritizes personal relationships and how much someone sucks his cock and flatters him rather than people who may shit talk him to his face but actually possess the intelligence and drive to win a war.
Semi related but Kiev already existed before the Kievan Rus? Who built it? The Vikings?
Theres a story about 3 brothers and 1 sister that founded the city, and Ukrainian historical revisionists today like to claim they are "Slavs" and "ethnically Ukrainian" or whatever that means.
But yes, it's literally a city founded by Khazar Turks, not Slavs.
no you shup up, retarded cretinhttps://archive.is/20230913202734/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/us/politics/russia-sanctions-missile-production.html>Before the war, one senior Western defense official said, Russia could make 100 tanks a year; now they are producing 200.>Western officials also believe Russia is on track to manufacture two million artillery shells a year — double the amount Western intelligence services had initially estimated Russia could manufacture before the war. >As a result of the push, Russia is now producing more ammunition than the United States and Europe. Overall, Kusti Salm, a senior Estonian defense ministry official, estimated that Russia’s current ammunition production is seven times greater than that of the West.>For instance, it costs a Western country $5,000 to $6,000 to make a 155-millimeter artillery round, whereas it costs Russia about $600 to produce a comparable 152-millimeter artillery shell, he said.
>>1597278>What's the endgame honestly?
there's no endgame for anyone as far as I can see. you can argue like the other guy that the war was started due to russian apparatchiks vastly overestimating military capabilities, but that analysis fails to ignore that le putler had to choose between submitting to western influence, dashing any hopes of economic expansion as they would be constantly in check by a militarized border which would eventually erode his regime, or just violently break with the western world hoping that a multipolar world will allow for continued economic expansion. literally breaking into new economic opportunities, violently. That decision may have been stacked by a skewed perception of russia's military force vis-a-vis ukraine's, but it's still plain to see that putin would've probably chosen a war of attrition anyway.
The search results returned what year the Kievan Rus was founded, not the city
Kyiv was founded in 1918, 1941, 1991 and 2013
I'm laughing at the Kyiv correction.
>>1597403>literally breaking into new economic opportunities, violently
ruZZia's violent, undemocratic, environmentally unsound, unprovoked and unjust war of aggression
Noooo its democratic to derussify Ukraine :(((
>>1597421>muh genocide>muh colonial russia
kys lib clown
>>1597402>200 tanks a year
Wow so modern Russia in the 21st century can produce 10x less tanks than the Soviet Union could in 1942 when Germany literally took half of Russian territory and was overrunning the place. Good to see just how fucked Russian military production has become.
Also<trusting Western self-reporting on ammo shortages from their own stocks
Retarded. I can guarantee that just as the US still has tons of ammo stockpiles, that their on-paper Naval assets are also far greater and that if China ever attacks Taiwan a bunch of previously "decommissioned" "scrapped" "undergoing repairs" etc. subs will be showing up to cause trouble. The US is only good at one thing: fighting war. Every part of society is geared towards that. They aren't ever going to run out of ammo and if you fall for this BS you should just kill yourself because you don't understand how to sift through misinformation.
>>1597421>eradicating entire nations from existence>forced russification
Which is why the native americans are almost extinct and only survive by living off their tribal casinos, while the native Siberians are 10s of millions of people strong, still living with their traditions and culture unrestricted and intact
<Russian explorers: Hello natives, you are living under the authority of the Tsar, but you can still live however you want with whatever local authority you have. Let's trade, then we move further east.<American explorers: Hello natives, you are all in the way of the White man's settlements. We'll kill you and take everything you own including your land, also you can't practice your traditions anymore.
Prigozhin had no prior military background and he repeatedly misread the situation, misled Russians toward despair and undermined the war effort to advance his own career interests:>the Russian army can't fight except Wagner>the Bakhmut flanks will fall once i leave>the land bridge will fall once the counteroffensyiv starts>everyone panic!>oh, and ukraine dindu nuffin guyz
Prigozhin was a self-interested grifter taking advantage of a situation for personal gain. He was repeatedly shown to be full of shit and he committed treason and undermined his country in the middle of an existential war.
Words cant describe how fucking dumb it is to deny Russian colonialism when over 75% of their land is occupied territory.
But then again it was never about imperialism or colonialism it was just because communist aesthetic in far right Russia..
Stop getting your understanding of decolonization from PragerU.
What Sarah Ashton-Cirillo is doing is more like psychological operations I think. The point is to get inside the enemy's head and mess with it. It's like… Russia has more traditional gender norms (or the state pushes this anyways) and so this becomes a way to exploit anxieties and fears around that pre-existing cognitive bias and tunnel the enemy's attention toward this clown figure.
You see Ashton-Cirillo do this a lot. Then once she's inside the enemy's headspace, and Russia says "look at this transhumanist clown," she replies by saying "stop being obsessed with gender ideology, Ukraine will win because God is on our side." Or, like, you're losing to the transgender West? What the fuck is wrong with you?
The point isn't to convince, the clown is part of a psywar op to attack, exploit, degrade and even destroy how one builds their reality, and their mental self-confidence. Stuff like that.
We will achieve world peace once whole world is Russian.
Obsessed reactionaries deserve to be psy-op'd.
>>1597421>the Russian army can't fight except Wagner
Truth. Show me where Russia has advanced in the midst of the Ukrop offensive. Russia actually has less territory in its hands than before Prigozhin got assassinated and Wagner was pulled out. That's hardly a failed prediction.>Bakhmut flanks will fall once I leave
Ukraine is still pushing forwards near Bakhmut. At this point it's just a matter of time. >Land bridge will fall once the counteroffensyiv starts
Ok fair enough bad prediction but seeing how hard of a time Russia has protecting critical infrastructure as well as the fact that the previous bridge was already easily blown up again this just seems like a matter of time.>Everyone panic!
Better than being overconfident like Cucktin and Shoigu. No you shouldn't panic all the time but urgency is better than complacency. Complacency kills. >Ukraine dindu nuffin
He didn't say that his argument was that Shoigu should be removed and replaced by someone like Surovikin who can actually win the war. Surovikin got shuffled and demoted so gg Russia.
Ah fuck wrong quote
meant for >>1597430
The Wiki article on "Kyiv" also has some anti-Russian undertones. For the Russiam Tsardom they use the word "occupy" but they don't do so for the Polish, Mongol, Viking, etc. occupation.
All the articles on Wikipedia that cover Ukrainian history sound like Russia was "fake" or always in the wrong. It all got heavily edited after February 2022 when the memo got out.
One example is also the language articles - whenever someone tells you the overwhelming majority speaks Ukrainian (with the yiyiyiiyi spelling) this only true if you count in Surzhyk (which they did after 2022), which is a mixture between Russian and Ukrainian, that uses the old spelling.
Words cant describe how fucking dumb it is to deny Galician colonialism when over 75% of their land is occupied territory.
But then again it was never about imperialism or colonialism it was just because smol bean aesthetic in far right Ukraine..
For whatever reason the staff have severely lowered the file size attachment limit. I think Space kept it at 2gb which was nice now it's 80mb wtf. Basically any long videos cannot be hosted anymore by the site so just take my word for it since I can't compress a 20 minute video into 80mb.
>>1597426>Wow so modern Russia in the 21st century can produce 10x less tanks than the Soviet Union could in 1942<A country waging a limited war produces less tanks than a country waging a total war
Really makes you think.
That would be a fair argument were it not for the fact that most factories nowadays are automated and thus productivity has gone up 100000% from the 20th century so you don't even need many workers nowadays to keep an industrial base. 200 tanks a year is a joke no matter what cope you want to bring.
Easily fixable with an artillery shell. I sleep.
Glowies can do what they want, though. It's their resources being wasted.
>>1597442> Show me where Russia has advanced> in the midst of the Ukrop offensive
????> Ukraine is still pushing forwards near Bakhmut. At this point it's just a matter of time.
t. AFU> the fact that the previous bridge was already easily blown up again this just seems like a matter of time
tf are you talking about
Fuck off Gunther. Words cant describe how fucking shameless it is to claim that Russia colonized all of its territories and must return the land to the natives. What sort of twisted meaning of "colony" is that?
Russia never enslaved or genocided local populations during the exploration of Siberia. These tribal nations still enjoy their traditional way of living, and their population was stable throughout the entire Russian history. Meanwhile, Europeans and Americans committed slavery for the black Africans and native Americans. It was institutionalized, a systematic policy for centuries. Dumb fucks like you will have people actually believe that "Russia is a colonial country that is colonizing Siberia and the indigenous people", and imposing your western decolonial paradigm on a completely different civilization in history where there's no consistency or similarity whatsoever.
There is an objective Russian civilization that is not defined by the dominance of any Russian ethnicity or even russian-speaking peoples. The "Russkiy" is separate from the citizens of the Russian Federation. They are all Russian, even if not part of the "Russian" ethnicity originating from the Varangians of Velikiy Novgorod. Others that are not part of the dominant ethnos are able to coexist without oppression. Civilization isn't when you have one tribe that asserts its narrow interests over everyone else. That's just primitivism, what you have in dysfunctional third world regions that never developed. In more developed civilizations, like Russia, all peoples have a common understanding between each other. The Chechens and other Muslims have an understanding with the Slavic Christians, and so do the people in Siberia, etc. They are not always fusing to become the same, but they are not all totally isolated from each other. This not only allows them to retain their differences but also highlight them especially in the ways they interact with each other. The way they interact is set with custom, precedent and tradition. Russia is a multi-ethnic civilization defined by determinate interactions between different tribes and peoples, united by a common identity where everyone is equal before the law, everyone has an understanding with each other of some kind. This has nothing to do with colonialism whatsoever except in fascist mental gymnasiums.
Russia never did such things that Europeans and Americans did. It is really shameless for the westerners to spell Russian history as a brutal imperislism as it is simply not true. The whole idea that Russia right now, after the USSR fell and the horrible 90s happened, is somehow an "empire" that occupies nations living within its borders is just amazing, without even considering the political entities who are making these claims (the West), and the irony implied by that. You're nothing but a cocksucker of the "Free Nations of Postrussia Forum" and other glowie NGOs. So what happens when people actually decide that Russia must be decolonized? Look at all of the maps that these glowie NGOs draw up. Various maps of Russia, with entirely different flags and borders, which bear no representation of actual ethnic boundaries of any people, and no relation to their tradition or culture. This is pure wet dream psychosis by imperialists and their lackeys like you. KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF
In my haste I misread land bridge as Crimean bridge my bad but still it's only a matter of time until the new bridge gets blown up again. like I said Russia has demonstrated that it cannot protect critical infrastructure.
Uhh, maybe on /pol/? But I don't go there. If one never posts her here again, I will never think about her ever again. I am the one who lives rent-free. But I actually charge for my headspace. The psy kulak. It's me.
>>1597464>I am the one who lives rent-free. But I actually charge for my headspace. The psy kulak. It's me.
It seems that's what NATO is doing lately. I just don't get why there is no response to all the missile/drone strikes. How long since "Ukrainian decision centers" were promised a kalibration?
And now NATO is openly flaunting the fact that they can keep bombing Russia, are going to bomb Crimea and further increase the pace with impunity by just putting a "Launched in Ukraine" sticker on the weapon.
Also>NOOO YOU CAN'T GAIN GROUND WHEN THE ENEMY IS MOVING ON THE OFFENSIVE IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY
Tell that to the Soviets who did just that multiple times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uranus
One of the benefits of this war is that it has proven just how shitty Russia is at fighting wars when it's not under Communist control. Every Tsarist and Monarchist worshipping cuck like Putin is getting clowned on in a live demonstration in real time.
>>1597469>Not factoring in GDP growth
You know you've lost the argument when your final defense is:>BUT IT COSTS MONEY
as if that has ever been a real problem for any war fighting state. Hitler's Germany was literally in debt to every Allied nation in the interwar period it's not like that stopped him from creating one of the largest armed forces in the world at that time.
>>1597472>Hitler's Germany was literally in debt to every Allied nation in the interwar period it's not like that stopped him from creating one of the largest armed forces in the world at that time.
I wonder why can't finance their war industry with Western money right now.
No way. Is that real
You misunderstand. The Nazis needed to conceal their rearmament program financing to avoid violating Versailles. They used domestic deficit financing involving the creation of a second limited currency to get around restrictions and to conceal it from their general budget. This is something Russia could have easily done in the run up to the war but chose not to since their leadership is retarded.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills
What I'm about to say may be a bit controversial, but I wonder if the Russo-Ukraine war is the farce to WWI's tragedy. Beyond the superficial similarities (trench warfare, a rising power challenging a global hegemon) we've also seen a kind of international schism in certain sectors of the Western Left. On one hand you have multipolarists who believe a Russian victory will break the power of NATO/America, so-called "progressives" or even "socialists" claiming that Russia's aggression has to be repelled with force of arms, and finally a segment of the Left (the CPUSA for example) advocating for a ceasefire with no further escalations.
And the thing is, all of these groups have at least some decent argument to back them. The NATOists are correct in asserting that ultimately it was Russia's decision to invade. The multipolarists are correct both in arguing that no nation (certainly not America) would tolerate hostile regime change on their borders and that a decentralization of global power would open more opportunities for peripheral nations to develop themselves. Finally, I'd argue the doves have likely the most moral position in that NATOists claims of a "Ukrainian Genocide" are absurd and that ending the war would save the most people in the immediate term.
As for my own position, I tend to be a multipolarist leaning dove.
Anyways, the animosity between multipolarist and NATOist leaning "leftists" has shown the weaknesses in the Western Left's internationalist line. I think it's important we analyze this situation and earnestly attempt to figure out where we go from here. I don't think there's ever been a more difficult hurdle for the Left to overcome, then the question of internationalism. For all the pretensions that people have of being "Socialist Internationalists" when crises between nations occur, the "International" line quickly tends to schism. During WWI the Social Democratic Parties of Europe would claim they were actually defending themselves from German/British/French/Russian imperialism and quickly rallied to the war. While French Socialists deliberated on a general strike if war were to break out, this was saddled with a clause that a strike would take place only in unison with a strike of German workers. Should a single national party break its international commitments, then you get a domino effect of other nations all rallying to war.
And even so many years after WWI, we still have the same issue regarding the internationalist response to war. How can a Socialist in America earnestly demand one in Russia "oppose Russia's war of aggression" when they can pretty easily point to our own failures in the anti-war movement during Iraq and Afghanistan? When America invades a country, it can experience a few months of support before the sheen wears off and it turns out we lied. When Russia invades a country for far more justifiable reasons than we had going into Iraq, suddenly they're turned into international pariahs and excluded from the global economy. You have a global rallying to Ukraine (more accurately, a rallying AGAINST Russia) that you never saw in Iraq. Russians wouldn't be incorrect in believing that rallying against their government would benefit nations like the U.S. and not themselves; their understanding of realpolitik is much more advanced than your average American's, mostly because of their semi-peripheral status.
It wasn't just WWI that damaged international Socialism. A lot of people forget that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact blemished the Soviet reputation during the lead-up to WWII. Suddenly, you had the USSR striking a deal with Fascists. Trotskyists had a field day with it. But the fact is: who in Stalin's position would have opposed the pact? The allies already turned down his alliance against Fascism, the USSR was diplomatically isolated, and the Nazis offering him a devil's bargain gave him time to prepare at least. Still, some western socialists from the warmth and comfort of their home howled how DARE the USSR not shoulder the burden of war against Fascism alone. They had to suffer and bleed and die for ideological consistency, as though that was more important than the survival of their people. To this day it's pointed to by everyone from Liberals to Anarchists to Trotskyists as "proof" of Stalin's betrayal of Socialism. As though the result of Russia fighting a war alone against Germany would've been anything other than the Brits and Americans swooping in at the last minute to "restore democracy" or "end the soviet dictatorship" or what have you.
I think this raises the earnest question of whether internationalism is even possible, at least prior to Socialism. While controversial, we need to be willing to critique our own beliefs in order to arrive at a more consistent line.
Are you saying multipolarity is the same as WW1?
>>1597472>>1597478>interwar germany did it bro!! why can't you do it in 2023?
you're so fucking retarded you think countries can hide production surges/new factories with the level of intel and satelite shit we have today>>1597442>Ukraine is still pushing forwards near Bakhmut. At this point it's just a matter of time
bakhmut has already been retaken in the spiritual realm, don't worry bro
>>1597481>And even so many years after WWI, we still have the same issue regarding the internationalist response to war. How can a Socialist in America earnestly demand one in Russia "oppose Russia's war of aggression" when they can pretty easily point to our own failures in the anti-war movement during Iraq and Afghanistan?
Because for all the reading being done, "class consciousness" is still at zero, and people, regardless of their self-declared ideology blindly follow their immediate material interests without contemplating for a second what those material interests constitute.
Yeah spy equipment is usually an unstoppable force of nature that can't be shot down and military equipment can't ever be concealed that's why the USSR shot down U2 planes and hid tons of military equipment. Truly you're just furthering the case I made for Russia being retarded. You know America is using satellites to spy on you? Why not make a declaration stating that it's a violation of sovereignty and then shoot them down? Russia can hack into Ukrainian drones and has even snuck people into the CIA and FBI before it's not like their cyber warfare and espionage capabilities are lacking.
Not quite, rather Germany at the time was in a position not dissimilar to Russia today. It was a regional power straining against the global hegemon—I think Germans correctly pointed out that for as much as Britain howled about German “warmongering” and “imperialism” they were saying it from the position of already having subjugated most of the world, it was less a war against German “imperialism” as it was Britain shoring up its own empire.
Sure some NATOists are correct in claiming that Russia is the aggressor in this war, but to claim that NATO expansion wasn’t the ultimate cause of the aggression is absurd.
>repeating your opponent's statements in a sarcastic tone
>and acting like a smarmy cunt is how you argue
I fucking hate Russian libshits, holy shit. How are they still alive?
>>1597492>russia should have just started shooting down american planes and boats
great plan broi think you know this is unrealistic and would just result in more and more escalation from america, you're just getting off on your wet dreams of NATO intervention because you know it's literally the only thing that would give ukraine a chance to win
Russia had 8 years of peace to prepare. They did nothing. That's the fault of state administration and the leadership.>>1597496
Satellites aren't manned. America takes zero casualties. I think it's a perfectly valid escalation that would demonstrate to Washington that Russia isn't playing around but also wouldn't lead to America hitting the nuke button. Compare that to Cucktin's billion red lines that have all been crossed where by this point next year there Ukraine will have an air force and start contesting Russia for air control despite delivery of fighter jets supposedly being a red line.
I’m not even sure if it’s in the material interests of most of the NATOists to advocate for war against the Russians. After all it hasn’t benefited Europe much at all, and when I’ve pointed out to supposed “socialist” NATOists that working class people aren’t getting anything from funding this proxy war, they’ve spouted “Well ACKTUALLY since Russia declared war, food prices have skyrocketed.” To which I responded that just means we should end the war quicker, rather than let it drag on by funding Ukraine
The most retarded thing about the food prices debacle is that it's completely self inflicted. Russia and Belarus were perfectly happy to continue agricultural exports but the West slapped sanctions to "punish" them and banned imports. Tbh it all smells like a side conspiracy to jack up food prices for the benefit of Western companies because it doesn't even benefit the Ukrainian war effort.
I hear NATOists saying the war is good because it expanded NATO and made the Euros more willing to meet their funding commitments for NATO/enrich the arms manufacturers.
And I guess hypothetically it "weakened Russia's military."
Unless you're primarily invested in defense companies, then "NATO Expansion" is just map painting whose only benefit to you is making you think you're playing a Paradox Strategy Game
Germany was nothing like Russia on the eve of the first world war, you can't compare multi-polarity today with pre-World War One Europe. It's pretty simple that when a handful of countries from Europe, which is one region of the world, bicker amongst themselves over who gets to divide the entire rest of the world, this is entirely different from regional powers from every corner of the globe emerging and giving expression to their own authentic, oftentimes thousand-year-old civilizational development. When France, Britain, Austria-Hungary, Germany and Russia are fighting in Europe for control over the world's colonies, that's not the same thing as i.e. the rise of BRICS, or the rise of a multi-polar world order, which reflects civilizations indigenous to those specific regions becoming global regional polarities, specific to their geographic locality. This is a very important point and I don't even think much more needs to be said. You can't say multi-polarity is just when there's multiple different "regional powers" fighting amongst themselves, multi-polarity reflects the fact that there's no one global hegemon anymore. World War One, the interimperialist wars, were competitions between different imperial powers over who has the unipolarity. Germany, Britain, France, Russian, to an extent the United States were all fighting amongst themselves to decide who is going to be the premier unipolar power. The Soviet Union rose up and formed a bipolar world order for a time, with the Warsaw Pact, the Socialist bloc and the Soviet kind of a communistic, socialistic world. The other one was the American system with Bretton Woods which outlasted the former, and America became the unipolar world power.
Today, multi-polarity is emerging out of that. It's not a regression to World War One and the interimperialist wars, where various powers are fighting for who controls the world, rather you have a situation where civilizational regionally specific polarities are fighting to assert their independence from the American unipolar world order. They're not fighting to control the entire world. Russia is not fighting to replace America and become a unipolar hegemon, neither is China, nor Iran. Under no metric are any of these countries striving to control any colonies or even the whole world, they're fighting to assert their own sovereignty. That's nothing new in anti-imperialism. Sovereignty is all good and well, originating within the framework of classical bourgeois legalism, where states are sovereign and no external power has the right to control it, etc. This is all considered classical anti-imperialism. Yet in addition to the fight for sovereignty, which most people don't go beyond when they talk about anti-imperialism, you have an assertion of a specific civilizational polarity - not just sovereignty, but the right to be a regional polarity of their own.
Makes sense to me and touches in things I've wondered about
>>1597497>Satellites aren't manned. America takes zero casualties.
as if "casualties" is the only thing that escalates conflicts>I think it's a perfectly valid escalation that would demonstrate to Washington that Russia isn't playing around but also wouldn't lead to America hitting the nuke button
as if nuking russia was the only option america had instead of more aid to ukraine/NATO intervention>by this point next year there Ukraine will have an air force and start contesting Russia for air control
the F-16s are being used as launch platforms and that's pretty much it, /k/ope retard
That's all that goes through the minds of the NATOist. What does the CIA media tell them to think.
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>>1597502>I hear NATOists saying the war is good because it expanded NATO and made the Euros more willing to meet their funding commitments for NATO/enrich the arms manufacturers
This war is only good if you want the West to feel provoked. Everywhere else it's not really doing anything for Western power. It's just yet another stressor on the global system radicalizing everyone, which is why BRICS was right to finally say no. There's an end to this wild ride with them.
can you reupload it to youtube as unlisted or smth ?
>>1597509>You can't say multi-polarity is just when there's multiple different "regional powers" fighting amongst themselves, multi-polarity reflects the fact that there's no one global hegemon anymore … Yet in addition to the fight for sovereignty, which most people don't go beyond when they talk about anti-imperialism, you have an assertion of a specific civilizational polarity - not just sovereignty, but the right to be a regional polarity of their own.
Does that mean India has a right to be a regional polarity vis-a-vis Pakistan? Invade Pakistan and occupy Pakistani territory? Or Nepal? One's relationship to multipolarity is based on one's own interests, but also considers the interests of others; without the latter then I think governments will fall out of step with the objective changes in the world. For Russia, its geographical location and culture naturally places it close to the West, so Russia's military approach to this problem seems like it ignores the broader civilizational level to some extent, which I think will have negative consequences for Russia over the long term. Annexing one-third of Ukrainian territory then threatening to drop nuclear bombs if they fail is also mindless and barbaric; not a sign of strength either. Who would really support that?
What if Russia had done a lightning strike, then suddenly withdrew, but maintained pressure on the disputed border areas? Think of China in 1979 vis-a-vis Vietnam. Russia's radical military warfare approach is too extreme.
Yeah, it's posted on his Twitter.https://twitter.com/poroshenko/status/1700916606321246314
Granted, this won't change minds, but it is the most solid evidence of post-Maidan Ukrainian leadership being Nazis.
>>1597549>Does that mean India has a right to be a regional polarity vis-a-vis Pakistan? Invade Pakistan and occupy Pakistani territory? Or Nepal? One's relationship to multipolarity is based on one's own interests, but also considers the interests of others; without the latter then I think governments will fall out of step with the objective changes in the world.
You are thinking of it in terms of "who has the right". All a polarity basically refers to (in Marxist political-economic terms if you want to do economic reductionism because I'm generous) polarities are engines of development. The basic function of a polarity is to drive some kind of geographically specific, internal civilizational economic development. For example in the Bretton Woods unipolar imperialist system, the United States considered itself the engine of global development. It wanted to basically develop the world from one center. This was basically a scheme to enrich western finance capital. The World Bank and the IMF came into emergence through this process, leading to debt bondage and debt slavery in that form of capital accumulation, which was an extension of imperialism.
But every single multi-polar hegemon entering into existence has in common the fact that they're not disguising any hidden motives to replace the west and become a new hegemon. Regional polarities are precisely about real economic development, industrialization and modernization. There's plenty of ways to think about what that means and what that looks like. A lot of it has to do with investment. Differentials in capital accumulation give rise to certain regions and certain powers having the ability to invest in things that peripheral localities aren't able to. For example, in the case of Ukraine: An oil-exporting country like Russia could indeed invest in Ukraine to develop the Ukrainian economy, because of it's oil exports. The United States would rather have Ukraine become a debt slave to the World Bank and the IMF, or even worse the EU - if you can believe that's worse - to underdevelop Ukraine in the disguise of "we're going to give you loans to rebuild your country or you're going to be an eternal debt slave to us", all to basically enrich the private capitalistic financial class.
But what's very important to understand is that multi-polarity refers to the fact that these regional civilizational polarities aren't coming at the expense of the sovereignty of other countries, like the American unipolar world power does. America is trampling on Russia's sovereignty in Ukraine, it's really that simple. Russia will not stand for this. They want the ability and the right to form traditionally oftentimes bilateral relationships with Ukraine, which only come at the expense of the relation Ukraine has to the unipolar world system. Ukraine is in a sense a part of Russia's regional polarity, and Russia is trying to assert that through bilateral relations between sovereign countries, which can organically lead to special economic relationships which benefit the masses of both nations. This placed a central role for Russia that came at the expense of Ukraine' dependence on the unilateral global system created by America. America obviously wants to prevent that, specifically in the case Crimea, Donbass, and all the disputes thereof. They would prefer it be resolved unilaterally rather than bilaterally. That's why they have been kindling the fascist flame in Ukraine for the past 70 years.
>For Russia, its geographical location and culture naturally places it close to the West, so Russia's military approach to this problem seems like it ignores the broader civilizational level to some extent, which I think will have negative consequences for Russia over the long term. Annexing one-third of Ukrainian territory then threatening to drop nuclear bombs if they fail is also mindless and barbaric; not a sign of strength either. Who would really support that?>What if Russia had done a lightning strike, then suddenly withdrew, but maintained pressure on the disputed border areas? Think of China in 1979 vis-a-vis Vietnam. Russia's radical military warfare approach is too extreme.
When considering the broader civilizational level, remember that imperialism is not a civilizational relationship. Even when there's geographic contiguity between the empire and an imperialized nation - you said they are close to the West, but for most imperialized nations this isn't the case - most imperialism throughout history is some country like Britain or France going half across the world and making a colony. There is no geographic contiguity there whatsoever, it's just this pure abstract domination by capital.
But even in the cases where there was geographic contiguity, let's say Germany, Austria-Hungary and the later Ottoman Empire, there still is established that same abstract domination and control through the creation of artificial barriers. Even where there's geographic contiguity, there's no civilizational contiguity. For example, when imperialist Germany had plans to conquer the Balkans, they didn't want to integrate with the Slavic peoples, fuse with them and form some kind of common world that share the same identity and civilization. The Germans more or less wanted to put up a barrier by enslaving the Slavs and robbing them of their resources, colonize their lands and treat these Slavic peoples and others in continental Europe in the same manner that Europeans were treating the peoples outside of Europe.
Russia actions in Ukraine on the other hand opposing imperialism are contiguous on a civilizational, geographic and even legal level. They aren't eliminating and trampling upon the sovereignty of Ukraine. Even if there are irridentist populist figures in Russian politics and media that want a return to the Russkaya Imperia, they aren't in power and by the looks of it, won't be. What is meant by legal contiguity, is again through bilateral relationships, trade treaties, border agreements, so on and so forth. That is the primary mechanism by which regional geographic polarities assert themselves globally. This is true for China, and this is also true for Russia. Ukraine keeps breaking the Minsk agreements, and breaks the grain port agreements at the behest of the west, so what choice does Russia have? Russia's special military operation was a weapon of last resort. They had preferred Minsk agreements, bilateral agreements between itself and the people of Ukraine, Donetsk and Lugansk, and Europe. They didn't want a unilateral solution to the conflict. They wanted a solution that brings the parties to the table.
Reactionaries try not to project challenge (Impossible)
Are you sure she's not the one that has been brain broken and psy op'd by Russia invading
I mean a trans person shilling for Azov can't be some kind of intelligence praxis
stupid redfash tankies, just having nazi patches and flags doesn't make you a nazi
here's what actually makes you a nazi: firing rockets really fast…
Hah I said the same:>>1596782>The news glowies were seething
>>1597599>vulgar anti imperialism
This doesn't mean anything
There is no such thing as vulgar anti-imperialism, because there is no such thing as principled, orthodox or nuanced anti-imperialism. All anti-imperialism is inherently opportunistic, and strategy can quickly change as the situation develops or alters.
Make sure to repeat this to any idiot that's going to start blathering about being "more pure than thou" about fucking anti-imperialism, and how principled they are. I already had an encounter with one, and I can only assume more are on their way.
I think you might be reading too much into my "Russo-Ukraine as WWI's farce" thing. I was more focused on the effect it's had on the Left than whether it was 1:1 like that war. I'll readily acknowledge that Germany just wanted to build its own Empire while Russia, for now at least, is more interested in internal security and undermining U.S. hegemony than just initiating some "change in management.">>1597510
Nationalism and Internationalism is a part of the Left I think we really need to look closely at. I think it was Trotsky that said if Germany doesn't
spiral into revolution towards the end of Nazi rule, then there's something that went wrong with Marxist analysis.
Well, even when artillery was bombarding Berlin, it wasn't the German peoples themselves that ended the Reich; it was Hitler killing himself and the Red Army planting their flag over the Reichstag. Even when the Nazis were using literal child soldiers to try and delay the Russians' advance, the people still didn't rise up. Nationalism, among other factors, helped collapse the USSR.
We have to find an answer to the International question. The Left can't keep resetting its progress whenever there's a war.
Maybe the solution would be a delimitation of several "internationals", which is to say, a realists acknowledgement of which states are strongest in a given area and only attempting to organize around issues within that area. I'm not sure. Anyone who can solve this riddle would probably be a smarter man than me.
I forgot to mention China is also upgrading its relations with Venezuela in parallel. Apparently it has some sort of strategic tiers (the real meaning of which you have to wonder about), and Venezuela has been added to the level Pakistan is on, which is above Russia and below North Korea.
This is following victories at the G20 and BRICS, EU getting pushback in its Latin America summit, and so on. Also, the struggling counter offensive.
None of this is good for the health of liberal international order. Ukraine is simply not regenerating the order and may actually worsen its domestic problems.>>1597603>This doesn't mean anything
I first heard it from ultras on revleft especially with Syria >>1597602
It was literally just how Russia is so isolated and fallen it is in cahoots with the norks. It was stunning journalism>>1597605
This is very true. When you sanction so much of the world like the US (I think it's like a 3rd of the global pop is impacted by sanctions now or something), eventually you must create a sanctions regime that undoes itself >>1597606>I remember that video of Biden & and other politicians laughing at the idea of Russia allying with Iran. Neoconbros..it's so over…
Remember Mike Pompeo warning about the 'pan Eurasian colossus'? Or Brzezinski?>>1597607
I don't think anti imperialism is opportunist. It's part of opposing the national division of the working class
>>1597605>liberal morons will ignore it because it's uncomfortable to them.
but finland joined nato. biden is a strategic genus
>>1597658>I don't think anti imperialism is opportunist. It's part of opposing the national division of the working class
No, not the ultimate end goal, but the path there. The moment a force hostile to the hegemon turns around, joins them and is accepted, I no longer give a shit. And neither should you.
>>1597673>national division of the working class
But theorylets here still think that this is "le bad", because they didn't progress past Lenin and now believe themselves to be an authority on Marxism. That's what happens when you don't read Stalin
Amen to that. Just try not retreat again like the last year. Occupy Kiev & don't start anything funny with those westoid until the burgers collapse. Let China do the heavy lifting on suppressing the EU economically.
Nah, the neolib party still hold putin qlique by the right ball and is willing to settle any grievances with "dear western partners" from day zero, so no missile blueprints for Kim, unfortunately. The food is good, though.
I don't think you can divide the working class by nationality as part of opposing such a thing. That sounds like a weakness similar to the one already at work with European expansion and Ukraine.
In Ukraine due to how decommunization distorts democracy, liberals are stuck arguing dividing the former USSR by nationality is part of greater liberal internationalism and nation state formation.
Have we figured out yet how Cucktin was supposed to freeze Europe for General Winter without cutting off the gas or is that still an awkward question?
Note that the question isn't whether cutting off the gas would significantly impact the Russian economy. It of course would.
Kiev in just a few months….
This war would've been over in three months tops if Cucktin had supplied Iran one nuke for every week of Western aid to Ukraine. In fact, he would've only had to announce his intention to do so. But this world is full of weak people and their even weaker apologists. They don't get the mentality of a baller like me.
death to HATO
Iran are cowards they would just use that as an opportunity to refuse and demonstrate to the world that they are for peace and don't want to provoke another war in the middle east. Much like how Lukashenko offered all ex Soviet states nuclear weapons for stronger ties and they all said no since they want to suck up to the West.
Proliferation isn't in the interests of any of the countries owning the bomb. There's a reason North Korea is under sanctions by Russia and China.
The Trans-Oskol Counter-Counteroffensyiv Kupyanskoffensyivove has been announced by some commanders about two weeks ago.
However, they already lost some tanks trying to probe it and some of the units there had to be redepolyed to Robotyne.
Why do you need to write this in Russian? This is radlib tier fetishization of a people you vicariously live through to fight your political enemies. You can do it yourself, you know.
It's cope because we have large military force on our side the RF is the closest thing and it's not that close.
плиз успокойся животное эмоциональное
Either a LARP or a draft dodger, get in the BMP already
He has been put into a coma for the fifth time this year.
Usually this comes from Chechen bloggers and is for entertainment.
They spin stories like he went on a heroin binge and soiled himself in the streets before the FSB picked himnup.
>>1598239>he went on a heroin binge and soiled himself
>>1598026>”largest military force”<outproduced in tanks, missiles and shells by a single country
Once we can be sure, Kadyrov is not as dead as this thread xD
it just doesnt work when every place is recorded all 5 mins by 1 of I dont know, 100 sattelites.
Are those Russian marines? I gotta say it sucks that the Russian navy uses the same flag as Nazi collaborators.
This means a victorious counteroffensyiv by the NAFO-/k/-Reddit coalition.
>>1598362>Are those Russian marines?
Given the pimped AK-74M and the VSS, it does look like it
The man is going for extra credit, lest the dumbest fans don't get it still. Didn't he get accused of a bunch of stuff AND treason and ordered to not leave the country at some point? Is he hoping the Banderites will bail him out of the discarded pile of NATO toadies?
Come to think of it, Kolomoisky is also getting the boot soo…
<New allegation against detained Ukrainian magnate Kolomoisky, official sayshttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/new-allegation-against-detained-ukrainian-magnate-kolomoisky-official-says-2023-09-15/
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>>1597572>everyone i don't like is a transhumanist jewish leftypol
The big brain geniuses of /pol/ at it again, rent free lol
If anything, Sarah fits in perfectly at the Rhodesia threads over there lmao
porkyshenkosisters, not like this…
Ugh it's like Norway and Bongland had a communist baby.
For the past year I've been saying that the war broke the brains of the western left and caused a major rift that might not be able to be fixed.
A E S T H E T I C
…and nothing of value was lost
Leftypol wishes they looked as good as sarah
if this war killed the mainstream western "left" and it merged permanently with neocon ghouls for good then it could be seen as a win. The already existing trash jumped ship and left all the cleaned the air for a fresh start and for introspection.
I don’t know that it’s unable to be fixed, but it definitely won’t be resolved before the war ends. I’ve seen so many absurd takes come out of this that it’s nursed a bitter cynicism in me—I can’t imagine what communists in Ukraine and Russia must be feeling. There’s no winning hand here; the rhetoric of providing a “neutral” understanding of the war is met with extreme hostility, which is at least understandable if you’re one of the peoples being impacted by it. Talking about imperialism, or NATO expansion, or Russia and Ukraine’s shared history only isolates communists from the mainstream. It’s like trying to talk about American interventionism directly after 9/11. Sure you’d be on the money when you say it’s the direct result of our foreign policy in the Middle East, but try explaining that to the people that just watched thousands of people get murdered by a bunch of Jihadists, and if you’re gonna say “we don’t care, let them be reactionary” then you aren’t building a mass movement—just a cult of ascetics.
The end result of this is the Left still hasn’t worked out a practical internationalism, it feels like it hurts the left more than it helps.
Looks good for 46 year old, ngl.
A rift from NAFO freaks who want Americans to shatter all of their geopolitical opponents into dozens of shards at the drop of their bourgeoisie's tophat just because the genocidal nazis they back fly pride flags is 10000% a good thing, we need more of those freaks to realize that they are just liberals.
>>1598537>I can’t imagine what communists in Ukraine and Russia must be feeling
I just got solidified in the idea that revolutionary defeatism is worthless without an active anti-war resistance in the NATO core.<inb4 that guy tells me to enlist
What have you done to stop the war on the NATO side?
Do NAFO retards really identify as leftists? Because all the ones I've encountered correctly identify themselves as liberals.
I feel for you brother.
I’ve seen people angrily say they’ll stop donating to groups like the DSA for hosting some anti war event. I’ve even had people tell me I’m pro-war for opposing arming Ukraine.
It's annoying to be told that I must risk my life and wellbeing by Western leftists who won't even itch to oppose NATO involvement with barely any risk to themselves.
Sure, Russia is an oligarchic dictatorship where dissent is forbidden. Maybe set us some inspiring example at least.
Oh. Never mind.
(Credit where it is due to KKE and sabocat's org, but y'know..)
Anon it's like trying to drain the ocean with a thimble.
I just took a glance at /k/ for the first time out of curiosity. Can someone tell me why they're so pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia?
>>1598602>Burger military stans>stanning the burger millitary
Hmm I wonder why…
Because 4chinlet position is always and inexorably pro-West against anything, it has been like that since 2016.
Damn, that's really the reason huh. When I went there, I thought it was going to be like a "based, white daddy Putin" thing.
Leftypol can't understand irony
/k/ope is a bunch of fat boomers and ugly chinlet teens LARPing as soldiers of fortune. They always identify with the weaker side in a conflict and snipe from their armchairs. They're cosmopolitan like that. In any American war, you can count on /k/ope to be know-it-all critical of American leadership too.
people, especially americans, have very short memories, but sticking to your guns and saying what you believe about a controversial position is more likely to be remembered and lends credibility in the long run. plus, its dulls your thinking to misrepresent your opinions or tiptoe softly around issues in the name of optics. if its a serious opsec issue ofc its necessary, but communists should neither be afraid of controversy or indulge in it for its own sake, best way is to be straightforward, argue in good faith, and disengage if you wont be heard out
I haven't been here for a while. Last thing I know is that the counter offensive managed to gain a foothold in like, five villages or something. What's the situation now?
It's best to not interact with Americans as much as humanly possible. Nothing to be gained, only your sanity to lose.
Ukrainians destroyed a nuclear sub and another landing ship, other than that not much happened.
ukraine and the west are waking up to the fact that they'll never be able to take back territory or defeat russia on the battlefield, so now they're going to just start throwing more missiles into russia/crimea and hope for the best.
Reddit took over the board similar to how /r/the_donald flooded /pol/ in 2016
MoD under Cucktin is contenting itself with daily statistical reporting of hit/miss ratios and damage assessments again.
I hate Cucktin so much it's unreal. Awfully weak leader.
Flooded with bots and feds because they know there's historically a lot of overlap between /k/ and /pol/ (the actual target and a well-known fed honeypot for about a decade now) and where /pol/ is more explicitly western-skeptical, /k/ is more easily leveraged into an overwhelmingly pro-western position.
unfortunately i am burger and condemned to do what i can here
I am too. I've managed to avoid not having a conversation with an American IRL for I dunno how long. Just give short answers to every statement. The bare minimum.
I haven't talked about any politics with an American in I dunno how many years. Basically forever. It's so easy.
I'll say I've never regretted what I didn't say or do, but the opposite very much. I don't interfere with them.
<Almost three months ago, Sergei Shoigu said at a press conference that in the event of HIMARS or Storm Shadow missile strikes on Russian territory, there would be an immediate response in the form of an attack on the decision-making centers.
>Yesterday, Sevastopol was hit by M270 MLRS and Storm Shadow missiles
Not hard to see why Armenia, Serbia, etc., are hedging with Americans, tbh. The Kremlin's follow-through is awful and projects weakness.
Ukraine managed to gain a few nowheres and then ran into the perimeter around the first real defensive line and lost so many men and donated vehicles to drones, mines, and artillery that even western rag journos in the last month have finally been saying it's gone between "bad" and "disastrous".
After literal months of fighting a few Ukrainian forces managed to get to the actual front lines of Russian defenses, and basically had no way of getting supplies to actually fight, while sitting in the biggest minefield since WWI.
Why are you saging
I always sage for self-replies. The mods still might ban me for "same-fagging"
Because white supremacists happen to also be Nazis, so why wouldn’t they side with Azov against the supposed “inferior Russian mongol hordes” who happen to be wrecking them?
most /k/opers don't see themselves as white supremacists, they even have a performative hatred for /pol/fags despite at this point literally being more racist than them
The performance hatred is standard channer contrarianism. They’ve always been white supremacist Nazis, they just obsess about guns more than Jews.
What fucking nazi collaborators in 1700s in times of Peter the 1st? Jesse what the fuck are you talking about (same for tricolor)
Judging by activity and unique IPs graphs they were overtaken by some external force, most likely reddit. Also I've heard about weapons subreddits being pounded by admins (dunno if true I dont visit this trash heap) so they escaped to the new trash heap
>>1598792>Because white supremacists happen to also be Nazis, so why wouldn’t they side with Azov against the supposed “inferior Russian mongol hordes” who happen to be wrecking them?
Because Russia actively shilled itself and Putin in right and far right movements on the internet for like 15 years. The whole alt-right movement was chock full of Putin admirers from start on.
>>1598795>they even have a performative hatred for /pol/fags
Because half (or more than half if you believe in polls) of /pol/ are for russia.
Now you know that first sentence is complete bullshit. Russia actively arrests people committing hate crimes and has outlawed many fascistic groups. The second part is true though but that’s not because of muh Putler, it’s because white supremacists have below room temperature i q
Fake news.>>1598820>Le Pen>far right
>>1598816>Now you know that first sentence is complete bullshit. Russia actively arrests people committing hate crimes and has outlawed many fascistic groups.
Could countries have different policies *gasp* on foreign and domestic issues?
Didn't happen but should have.
is le pen even to the right of macron?
>>1596855>/isg/ criticized>immediately multiple flagfags show up and start autistically screeching
really makes you think
>>1598783><Almost three months ago, Sergei Shoigu said at a press conference that in the event of HIMARS or Storm Shadow missile strikes on Russian territory, there would be an immediate response in the form of an attack on the decision-making centers.
One of Shoigu's subordinates lied about the western cruise missiles being a S-200 in gtound attack mode.
Also all naval drones were destroyed :^)
Macron is a classical liberal centrist and Le Pen is far right populists.
They’re the same
based on? macron is pro-fascist it seems
Macron is pro-fascist but Le Pen is not far right? Absolute state.
Neither of them are fascist, also dubs
Yeah it's pointless. Those who say they oppose both sides want to put all the burden of revolution on Russia, like it's 1917 again.
I've not seen one of these types work for defeating their own government in NATO.
They're not very far from one another because Macron pivoted hard to the right since he was a minister of Hollande. But Le Pen is undoubtedly more far right, if she was elected the racist, islamophobic and anti migrant rhetoric would be even more omnipresent, more people would get killed and raped by the police, crack downs on labor orgs would be harsher, it would suddenly get harder for women to abort, and the overton window would move in favor of even more fascist aligned people like Zemmour etc etc.
The three of them fall from the same poisoned reactionary tree. They’re anticommunist, racist pieces of shit who don’t care about the working class.
It’s more plausible to assume that it’s a combination of rightoid anons who are unabashedly pro-America, feds who post with VPNs and Tor, and (mostly) botted posts.
>>1598962>The three of them fall from the same poisoned reactionary tree. They’re anticommunist, racist pieces of shit who don’t care about the working class.
Just like Putin.
Bait used to be believable…
Oh wait, Macron didn't bomb communists and also did not stop communist parties from running in regional elections.
And Putin did these? Since when?
Since 2014 in Donbas.
The communist parties of Donezk and Luhansk were incorporated into the CPRF and got a whopping 8% of votes last week.
Candidates weren't allowed to run, but no one cares up in the party because the CPRF is controlled opposition of United Russia.
Fuck off /pol/yp.
Literally fake news lol. Putin did NOT attack communists and certainly not the ones in Donbas. Am I talking to Anderson Cooper?
Can someone give me a quick rundown on the girl in pic 2 and 3
You don’t want to know.
Slave uh youkraney
What’s wrong with being 46?
Unironically a prolific schizoposter from here wrote the comprehensive rundown on this subject but I don’t have it saved
Sarah is nask dally a Nazi
We got any real updates? I’m itching to see some action.
Imagine calling Putin a fascist. Kys
That’s not a real document, anon.
Have you guys ever noticed that the types of people who insinuate that Russia is a fascist dictatorship never denounce Ukraine?
Nah, that's /pol/s reasoning (in /chug/, at least). >>1598977
you're probably right. Also, here's some fresh /k/ope for everyone
>>1599144>the point is to not win
Least masochistic Polack
Cope 'n seethe.>>1599113>Have you guys ever noticed that the types of people who insinuate that Russia is a fascist dictatorship never denounce Ukraine?
Have you guys ever noticed that the types of people who insinuate that Ukraine is a fascist dictatorship never denounce Russia?
Might be related that this thread is a circlejerk and everyone already agrees that Ukraine is fascist, but dare anyone starts talking about Russian fascism.
Nobody talks about Russian fascism because it doesn’t exist. Are you Anderson Cooper by any chance?
>RUSSIAN FASCISM IS NOT LE REAL…
>…BECAUSE JUST DON'T LOOK AT IT ALSO YOU ARE LITERALLY THIS LITERALLY WHO SO YOUR ARGUMENT IS IRRELEVANT AND I CAN CONTINUE IGNORING THE EVIDENCE
Touch meds and take grass
There is no evidence, anon. Take your medsZ
Fuck off retard.
imma be honest sarah is kinda pretty
God I wish she could crush me like that
25.14% of Luhansk residents voted communist in 2012, 7.5% voted in 2023.
Seems that Putin's decommunisation of Ukraine is in full swing. >>1599168>>1599167
Post another People's Republic where communists get less than 10% of votes and conservative nationalists get three quarters.
>>1599150>Have you guys ever noticed that the types of people who insinuate that Ukraine is a fascist dictatorship never denounce Russia?
Unlike Ukraine, even if the character of the Russian government had changed to socialism, the geopolitical circumstances that led to this war would have not. Because the conflict in Ukraine is part of NATO's policy of containment towards Russia/China and competitors in general. Which the US escalated until they got an excuse to arbitrate "western" trade to the USA's benefit.
Also, I'm not exposed to Russia's domestic propaganda so I don't much care for it.
No proof of this btw
Luhansk Media Centre is le banderite? >>1599033
They never reported this
Anyone who shills against Russia is working at Langley
How much is Langley paying you
that wordfilter will never stop being funny
Translating for other anons to see:
<United Russia" is gaining a confident majority in the legislative assemblies of the new regions. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation in two subjects lost 2nd place to the Liberal Democratic Party, in the DPR they received almost the same number of votes. "New people" were held only in the DPR: in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, they did not run.
<Based on the results of processing 100% of the protocols, the election results are as follows:
<DNR: United Russia – 78.03% Communist Party of the Russian Federation - 6,43% LDPR - 6,25% "New People" – 5.14% "Fair Russia" - 3,27%
<LNR: United Russia – 74.63% LDPR - 9,87% Communist Party of the Russian Federation - 7,5% "Fair Russia" - 5,56%
<Zaporozhye region: United Russia – 83.01% LDPR - 5,82% "Fair Russia" - 5,13% Communist Party of the Russian Federation - 5,02%
<Kherson region: United Russia – 74.86% Communist Party of the Russian Federation - 10,56% LDPR - 8,27% "Fair Russia" – 5.03%
<According to political scientist Alexander Nemtsev, the Liberal Democratic Party ranks 2nd thanks to the memory of its late leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who was also known in Ukraine. In turn, local, Ukrainian, communists were present in politics and were not popular. "Voters of the new territories believe that the Communists are the same everywhere - and there it was an ineffective opposition, and the Liberal Democratic Party is Zhirinovsky's party, which knows how to speak brightly, clearly and to the point," he explained. A spokesman for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, State Duma deputy Alexander Yushchenko noted that the most important thing is that the elections in the new regions have taken place at all. "Taking into account the fact that many areas of the regions there are not under the control of Russia, many cities are directly on the line of contact, chaotic shelling goes on from morning to evening - the figures suggest a certain error, taking into account the listed circumstances," he told Vedomosti.
<According to Yushchenko, it is important for the party that the Communist Party has been present in the region since 2014 and residents of Donetsk and Lugansk speak about it. For example, according to him, "they remember which party was the initiator of the recognition of independence" of the DPR and LPR. In February 2022, two documents recognizing the independence of the DPR and LPR, United Russia and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, were submitted to the State Duma, and the second one was adopted. Election commissions reported a fairly high turnout in the elections in the regions: in the DPR - 76.41%, in the LPR - 72.47%, in the Zaporozhye region - 68.11%, in the Kherson region - 65.14%.
<At the beginning of the final day, the CEC calculated that the DPR has the highest turnout in the legislative elections. Kirill Vyshinsky, a member of the Human Rights Council, said that the new subjects are "one of the few territories not even in Russia, but in general in a world where the turnout will exceed exactly 90%, where people know for sure that their vote will affect their lives, their future." According to him, "this is a very important example of what elections can mean." It is worth noting that it is not known how many voters the turnout percentage is calculated: the CEC classified data on the number of voters in the new regions in December 2022.
<The high electoral activity is due, firstly, to multi-day voting, and secondly, home voting, which makes it possible to reach the maximum number of people, political scientist Yevgeny Minchenko told Vedomosti. "I think that it was very important for the authorities to hold these elections in order to show that everything is normal, the situation is under control, that these regions are already deeply integrated into Russian political life, the Russian political system," the expert said. Nemtsev notes that the voters who came to the polling stations were participants in last year's referendum on joining and with their current activity they confirm that choice and "readiness to play by the rules of the Russian Federation." He added that by voting, people are counting on order and an increase in the level of stability. "In the overwhelming majority of cases, candidates for deputies are local residents, which suggests that a full-fledged regional government is being formed based on local citizens," the source said.
<From September 1 to September 4, 2023, citizens of the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions living outside their regions could vote at 329 extraterritorial polling stations in 81 constituent entities of the Russian Federation. In addition, early voting was organized for voters located in hard-to-reach areas and settlements near the line of contact. In the DPR and the Zaporozhye region, early voting began on August 31, in the LPR and the Kherson region on September 2. It ended on September 7. In the Kherson region, the first day of the main voting, which fell on Friday, was declared a day off.
<The duration of the "early" was set by regional election commissions. The chairman of the election commission of the DPR, Vladimir Vysotsky, explained that such deadlines were set to prevent queues at polling stations due to the danger of shelling. Early voting took place in remote and front-line areas. Precinct election commissions traveled to the adjacent territories, conducted door-to-door visits. In Horlivka, three mobile polling stations traveled around the city on large buses, in Volnovakha the idea was adopted, but the bus was one or less capacity. The turnout in the elections to the Legislative Assembly after this stage exceeded 45%.
<According to Vysotsky himself, it was still not possible to avoid incidents - at least twice PEC members came under fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donetsk and Volnovakha. In the latter case, four members of the commission were wounded. Polling stations in the new regions closed ahead of schedule on the last day of voting (elections there, as in most subjects of the Russian Federation, were three-day). In rural settlements of the Zaporozhye region, the polling stations were closed at 14.00, in cities - at 16.00. In the LPR and the Kherson region, voting ended at 16.00, in the DPR - at 15.00. Vysotsky explained the decision to end the voting ahead of schedule by the fact that many residents had already voted during early voting and two days of operation of stationary polling stations. Also, according to him, the election commission was guided by the desire to "ensure the safety of not only voters, but also members of our precinct commissions."
<On the night of September 10, a polling station was destroyed in the Zaporozhye region as a result of a drone attack, Deputy Chairman of the Commission Nikolai Bulaev told reporters at the information center of the Central Election Commission of Russia. At the time of the attack, there was no one inside, the incident was without casualties. According to Bulaev, the purpose of the attack was to "intimidate people so that people do not go to work." The first day of elections in the country took place against the backdrop of shelling of the Kherson region by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The election commission of the region was evacuated due to the announced missile attack and was forced to move to an "alternate airfield" where there is no communication. Later it turned out that in the Skadovsk municipal district, the air defense system shot down two drones in the immediate vicinity of polling stations. The chairman of the electoral commission of the region, Marina Zakharova, called the incident a "sabotage provocation" on the part of Kiev.
>>1599227><According to Yushchenko, it is important for the party that the Communist Party has been present in the region since 2014 and residents of Donetsk and Lugansk speak about it. For example, according to him, "they remember which party was the initiator of the recognition of independence" of the DPR and LPR.
And the CPRF begged Putin to annex the Donbas republics and start an SMO for years.
If Russia would have to settle the war onn unfavorable terms, Putin would blame them for dragging him into this mess.
>>1599244>And the CPRF begged Putin to annex the Donbas republics and start an SMO for years.
Source? I thought the communist party was pushing for Putin to recognise the republics as independent states? (not that Putin seems to care)
>>1599246>I thought the communist party was pushing for Putin to recognise the republics as independent states? (not that Putin seems to care)
You're right. The CPRF asked for recognition, Putin recognized them at the start of the war and annexed them a few months later because the necessary DPR mobilisation would have been illegal under Russian law
>Russia brings back communist party to liberated areas
>this is proof they are fascist
>Russia brings back Potemkin "communist" controlled opposition party that 90-95% of people don't vote for
This is proof that Putin is an anti-communist.
Cope and seethe lol
>With heavily armed nazis at the gates ready to barge in and devour them, more lugansk residents think this is a time to stick with putin and the RF than to try out a project to build communism alone and from scratch with some new guys.
>this proves how fascist the RF is and/or that it's rigged.
the absolut state of shills
>CPRF, despite being oppositioncucked, constantly calls out Cucktin for being too soft
>people still vote for the party of Kherson retreat
Sorry bro, no more People's Republic, just oblast.
Try to be more subtle next time lol
People just don't like being confronted with reality and make up cringe LARPs like some people wanting to build communism in the DPR and LPR.
Won't ever happen, Russia installed United Russia cucks like Pushilin exactly to suppress that.
Since the People's republics have been transformed to regular oblasts, these ambitions are as futile as in the rest of Russia.
There's an absolute dominance of United Russia over all tolerated opposition parties.
Donbas communists now are free to disagree with UR about irrelevant non-issues.
Ziggas explaining how le SMO will advance communism
when the exact opposite happens
It did advance communism, it showed us which "communist" parties, orgs and groups support NATO, EU, US, and therefore neoliberal capitalism. It separated the wheat from the chaff. That's a benefit, lest you spend your whole life organising and shilling for a Party that then sends money to Ukraine. lol
How did they get a share of the vote if they banned them?
>>1599284>now you can support only the enemies of communism outside of NATO
Z moment. Russia remains decidedly anti-communist and therefore don't even deserve critical support.
>>1599287>don't even deserve critical support>Feelz > realz
>>1599287> Russia remains decidedly anti-communist>supports literally every communist and socialist state in the world
Damn with enemies like this, who needs comrades!
Nah, Putin's apathetic approach to this war as even the Kremlin gets attacked is peak communism, and sometimes I think life would be easier just to be a neolib so I can follow leaders who appear to have balls.
Meanwhile it's hard to get communists to support those states. Russia has a better track record of internationalism 😂
>>1599144>the point is not to win
He's sorta right and I wish ukrainians got the memo already
spurious. the usual argument is that breaking US hegemony needs to happen for socialism to have a chance to breath, and resistance to NATO in Ukraine is just a part of that. the argument was never that the SMO would lead to communists winning the next election in Lugansk.
>>1599312>spurious. the usual argument is that breaking US hegemony needs to happen for socialism to have a chance to breath, and resistance to NATO in Ukraine is just a part of that.
I do agree that this is a reasonable line of thought, but it doesn't live up to reality.
Socialism can't breathe under United Russia.
thats awful and indeed pretty fascist
but why didnt they just send the cops like normal libs ? were the workers armed or smth ?
>>1599324>under United Russia
no shit, but this wasnt about a second russian revolution (although it would still be welcome after the war, during seems unlikely and awfully dangerous), but in the rest of the world
I think russia will only be socialist again with the help of a communist superpower, like, who defines the global mode of production is a superpower, so if the US loses its hegemony and china becomes the strongest and most influential superpower w/ the help of a BRICS hegemony then the world won't be deadlocked into capitalism, but instead, be deadlocked into socialism. but idk if china is willing to take same role of the USSR of bringing communism worldwide… hopefully they are
there will be no brics hegemony, thats not the point, their only unity is in breaking the US-NATO one
to break the US hegemony you'll need another even bigger economic hegemony, NATO isn't an economic threat but a military threat so the BRICS won't solve the NATO problem. it is in the interest of BRICS of course to form an economic majority of countries, and thus, an economic hegemony, but not a military hegemony. I have no idea on how to get rid of NATO, if it is even possible even, we're kinda screwed on this regard I think.
She's probably a Agent Kochinskiite. Also she was kicked out of DSA, which says a lot about her.
>>1599379>I AM NOW A FREE INDEPENDENT NATION LIBERATED FROM RUSSIAN TYRANNY<As our first order of business for our new order we must adopt a Nazi collaborationist flag
Wtf is wrong with Eastern Euros? (Minus Belarus).
lol you know what they’re on
> How the Ukraine crisis ends
By Henry A. Kissinger
March 5, 2014 at 5:58 p.m. EST
>Public discussion on Ukraine is all about confrontation. But do we know where we are going? In my life, I have seen four wars begun with great enthusiasm and public support, all of which we did not know how to end and from three of which we withdrew unilaterally. The test of policy is how it ends, not how it begins.
>Far too often the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and thrive, it must not be either side’s outpost against the other — it should function as a bridge between them.
>Russia must accept that to try to force Ukraine into a satellite status, and thereby move Russia’s borders again, would doom Moscow to repeat its history of self-fulfilling cycles of reciprocal pressures with Europe and the United States.
>The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can never be just a foreign country. Russian history began in what was called Kievan-Rus. The Russian religion spread from there. Ukraine has been part of Russia for centuries, and their histories were intertwined before then. Some of the most important battles for Russian freedom, starting with the Battle of Poltava in 1709 , were fought on Ukrainian soil. The Black Sea Fleet — Russia's means of projecting power in the Mediterranean — is based by long-term lease in Sevastopol, in Crimea. Even such famed dissidents as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Joseph Brodsky insisted that Ukraine was an integral part of Russian history and, indeed, of Russia.
>The European Union must recognize that its bureaucratic dilatoriness and subordination of the strategic element to domestic politics in negotiating Ukraine’s relationship to Europe contributed to turning a negotiation into a crisis. Foreign policy is the art of establishing priorities.
>The Ukrainians are the decisive element. They live in a country with a complex history and a polyglot composition. The Western part was incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1939 , when Stalin and Hitler divided up the spoils. Crimea, 60 percent of whose population is Russian , became part of Ukraine only in 1954 , when Nikita Khrushchev, a Ukrainian by birth, awarded it as part of the 300th-year celebration of a Russian agreement with the Cossacks. The west is largely Catholic; the east largely Russian Orthodox. The west speaks Ukrainian; the east speaks mostly Russian. Any attempt by one wing of Ukraine to dominate the other — as has been the pattern — would lead eventually to civil war or break up. To treat Ukraine as part of an East-West confrontation would scuttle for decades any prospect to bring Russia and the West — especially Russia and Europe — into a cooperative international system.
>Ukraine has been independent for only 23 years; it had previously been under some kind of foreign rule since the 14th century. Not surprisingly, its leaders have not learned the art of compromise, even less of historical perspective. The politics of post-independence Ukraine clearly demonstrates that the root of the problem lies in efforts by Ukrainian politicians to impose their will on recalcitrant parts of the country, first by one faction, then by the other. That is the essence of the conflict between Viktor Yanukovych and his principal political rival, Yulia Tymoshenko. They represent the two wings of Ukraine and have not been willing to share power. A wise U.S. policy toward Ukraine would seek a way for the two parts of the country to cooperate with each other. We should seek reconciliation, not the domination of a faction.
>Russia and the West, and least of all the various factions in Ukraine, have not acted on this principle. Each has made the situation worse. Russia would not be able to impose a military solution without isolating itself at a time when many of its borders are already precarious. For the West, the demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one.
>Putin should come to realize that, whatever his grievances, a policy of military impositions would produce another Cold War. For its part, the United States needs to avoid treating Russia as an aberrant to be patiently taught rules of conduct established by Washington. Putin is a serious strategist — on the premises of Russian history. Understanding U.S. values and psychology are not his strong suits. Nor has understanding Russian history and psychology been a strong point of U.S. policymakers.
>Leaders of all sides should return to examining outcomes, not compete in posturing. Here is my notion of an outcome compatible with the values and security interests of all sides:
>1. Ukraine should have the right to choose freely its economic and political associations, including with Europe.
>2. Ukraine should not join NATO, a position I took seven years ago, when it last came up.
>3. Ukraine should be free to create any government compatible with the expressed will of its people. Wise Ukrainian leaders would then opt for a policy of reconciliation between the various parts of their country. Internationally, they should pursue a posture comparable to that of Finland. That nation leaves no doubt about its fierce independence and cooperates with the West in most fields but carefully avoids institutional hostility toward Russia.
>4. It is incompatible with the rules of the existing world order for Russia to annex Crimea. But it should be possible to put Crimea’s relationship to Ukraine on a less fraught basis. To that end, Russia would recognize Ukraine’s sovereignty over Crimea. Ukraine should reinforce Crimea’s autonomy in elections held in the presence of international observers. The process would include removing any ambiguities about the status of the Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol.
>These are principles, not prescriptions. People familiar with the region will know that not all of them will be palatable to all parties. The test is not absolute satisfaction but balanced dissatisfaction. If some solution based on these or comparable elements is not achieved, the drift toward confrontation will accelerate. The time for that will come soon enough.https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html
so then why are they supported by a number of communist states and support them in turn?
Still would throw her in a pit.
>>1599417>so then why are they supported by a number of communist states
How many votes did the Communist Party of Ukraine get in the latest elections?
Except crimea part Kissinger is mostly right
How many Russian men of military age have been mobilized? And why aren't you one of them?
lmao this is the butthurt bakhmut is stalling guy
As always Ukraine is worse than Russia in pretty much every way, but you gotta admit it's embarrassing for the CPRF to be so loudly endorsing the war and eating shit this hard. If they were expecting any political gains as a result of this they were clearly mistaken. They probably should have expected that United Russia wouldn't let any opposition party have any influence in such a sensitive region.
No I'm the "Iran guy" that breaks his brain because Iran is supposed to be used as a wedge for supporting Russia according to FSB guidelines but it doesn't have to be
Being forced by practical considerations into an alliance with communists still makes them objectively way better than people who are both ideologically and practically opposed to communism.
so the same reason communism gets pushed forward anyway?
Fascinating that the marxoid left is now been echoing kissinger
How is it "echoing" to copy paste an article to read? All types of articles are posted here to read about history or news updates. Doesn't need to be exclusively about Marxism
"Neither Washington nor Moscow" But actually Eurocommunism/Washington
Kissinger is writing from the perspective of a strategist of US imperialism, and he knows when to press an issue and when doing so would be self destructive. He clearly views the confrontation in Ukraine as a huge blunder on the part of the US.
Please get your eyesight checked, right now.
>>1599441>the horizons of my understanding are Russia
>>1599443>Being forced by practical considerations into an alliance with communists still makes them objectively way better than people who are both ideologically and practically opposed to communism.
Russia (Putin) is opposed to communism within Russia, but not outside of it.
That still makes him sound objectively better than people who are opposed to communism both within their country and without (I.e. all of Western and Ukrainian leadership)
Right, and that makes him better than people who are opposed to communism both domestically and internationally.
That's a low hanging bar. Don't you have any standards?
My standard is whatever does the most practical to advance the communist cause, and while endorse all possible action to build up an independent worker's movement capable of acting as an independent pole, in the meantime Putin is the best option.
pretty sure the CPRF is 10x better than putin/united russia, but CPRF winning is likely impossible…
>>1599628>pretty sure the CPRF is 10x better than putin/united russia
They support him in the war tho.
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How to stop coup d'etat
the west is never the aggressor you heckin' authoritarian
Lmao, "Dead Ukrainian soldiers are being turned into fertilizer" sounds like an accusation against the Russians that would be cooked up on Reddit.
return soy to the earth
Huh what? Newsflash, retards: coffins are already made out of perfectly biodegradable wood. And graveyards are basically parks already and have always been. Another pseudoinnovative greenwash bullshit.
KPRF are the mensheviks.
More like>constantly piss and shit and draw swastikas on your neighbor's door, threaten him with a knife, beat your wife and children loudly every day>he calls the police and social services but they side with you every time because you are a white aryan and he is a mongoloid pinko russian>eventually driven to desperation he breaks into your house and starts beating the shit out of you<OMG WHY IS THIS DEGENERATE THUG ATTACKING ME
4chan is full of anti-communist propaganda because of this war.
Cringe. The only thing that's made me think that Russia invaded for nothing (as opposed to an existential threat) is Cucktin's passivity and softness. When a foe is an existential threat, you don't conduct yourself the way Cucktin has.
>>1599714>fascist board is full of anti-communism
Just shows how thick and lazy fash are if they have to call Russia "bolsheviks".
then who are the bolsheviks?
Looks as if the West has become emboldened by the near stalemate in Ukraine and is already turning its sights on China ahead of schedule - lots of militant rhetoric in the MSM, US officials pumping up the "focus on China" takes.
China should've urged Cucktin to use decimating force as opposed to sitting back, being cute, and thinking a protracted grind would work favorably for Chinese interests. Backfired.
This development is out of desperation, not emboldenment
I first browsed 4chan in 2012, there was no war against Russia in that year.
Oh how many times have I read this exact line of reasoning.
>>1599709>Look at it this way, thug breakers into your house, wants to rape your wife and daughters, brutally kill you and your sons and take your shit, you also have a gun btw.
Isn't this an argument in favor of DPR and LPR fighting off the Ukrainian assualt on their land?
https://www.reuters.com/world/rising-ammunition-prices-set-back-nato-efforts-boost-security-official-2023-09-16/>OSLO, Sept 16 (Reuters) - A top NATO military official warned on Saturday that a drastic rise in ammunition prices means that allies' higher defence spending does not automatically translate into greater security and called for more private investment in defence companies.>"Prices for equipment and ammunition are shooting up. Right now, we are paying more and more for exactly the same," Dutch Admiral Rob Bauer, the chair of NATO's military committee, said on Saturday after a meeting of the alliance's chiefs of defence in Oslo.>"That means that we cannot make sure that the increased defence spending actually leads to more security.">NATO has been pressing for a boost in defence production to satisfy a demand for weapons and equipment that has soared since Russia's invasion of Ukraine, as allies not only rush supplies to Kyiv but also build up their own inventories.>One major concern has been a shortage of 155mm artillery rounds, with Kyiv firing up to 10,000 of these shells per day.>In February, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg warned Kyiv was burning through shells much faster than the West could produce them.>Bauer pushed for more private investment in the defence sector to ramp up production capacity, urging pension funds and banks to stop labelling defence investments as unethical.https://www.reuters.com/world/north-koreas-kim-discusses-stronger-ties-with-russian-defence-minister-kcna-2023-09-16/>SEOUL, Sept 17 (Reuters) - North Korean leader Kim Jong Un discussed practical issues in stepping up military cooperation with Russia's defence minister, state KCNA news agency said on Sunday, having what KCNA called a "fresh heyday" of relations between the two countries.>During his visit to Russia, Kim inspected Russian nuclear-capable strategic bombers, hypersonic missiles and warships on Saturday, accompanied by Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu.>Kim's trip comes at a time when "a fresh heyday of friendship and solidarity and cooperation is being opened up in the history of the development of the relations between the DPRK and Russia," KCNA said, using North Korea's official name.>Kim met Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday and discussed military matters, the war in Ukraine and deepening cooperation.>Kim and Shoigu "exchanged their constructive opinions on the practical issues arising in further strengthening the strategic and tactical coordination, cooperation and mutual exchange between the armed forces of the two countries and in the fields of their national defence and security," KCNA reported.>Shoigu told Russian media earlier that Moscow is discussing joint military exercises with North Korea.>On Friday, South Korea and the U.S. said military cooperation between North Korea and Russia would violate U.N. sanctions against Pyongyang and that the allies would ensure there was a price to pay.>Russia has gone out of its way to publicise the visit and to drop repeated hints about the prospect of military cooperation with North Korea, which was formed in 1948 with the backing of the Soviet Union.>Kim also toured Russia's Pacific Sea Fleet equipped with strategic nuclear submarines among other military vessels, KCNA said, quoting him as praising the fleet for its contribution to peace in the region.>Earlier this month, North Korea launched its first operational "tactical nuclear attack submarine".
Why is he getting deleted. He is not relevant enough for wikipedia?
either way its a ridiculous point which exposes the fevered imagination of the nationalist.
My Land = My Home, and a Man's Home Is His Castle.
My People = My Family i.e. those of the same bloodline, the ethnos
My Nation = My Ego, and to destroy my nation is to destroy everything that i am, everything that is worth living for.
so of course The Enemy is a brutal thug that shot your wife and raped your daughter, becasue The Enemy ALWAYS is all of those things no matter what.
Probably the reason.
A couple of months before Russia invaded Ian was going to publish a memoir by a Swedish (IIRC) neo-Nazi that had fought with Azov Battalion until Ian's burger fans got upset.
Guy has also either been a major Finland simp. Worn Boogaloo shirts. etc
This guy is such a fucking clout demon he probably strokes himself while reading this general.
He probably wrote some of it himself.
He probably wrote all of it. Which is a wikipedia no no.
I mean the legal "standard" set is just that it looks just to your buddies, lmao. Also gotta love the obligatory Azov clip included.
he does it for love of the game
Maybe because he wants to continue to be in the news and be relevant? Why wouldn't you try to continue your legacy as much as possible?
the difference is that kissinger is, as part of potentially the last competent generation of american imperialists, advocating for a sensible policy for the US to pursue, and we are celebrating the fact they chose instead to double down on such a terrible decision as creating a european mujahideen
People assumed that because he and Karl weren't raving rhodesiaboos and bloodthirsty freaks looking for reasons to shoot people that they weren't reactionaries at heart
Regular shooting is an expensive petit bourgeois past time kids; there's a reason they also looooove sucking off US troops
Karl at least seems more like a "progressive" liberal in openly being political on topics like police brutality against non-whites.
Ian I've always suspected is far more right wing "libertarian" (government bad except when jerking off da troops), he is just not a raving lunatic and wants his channel to be about guns not the political reasons they get used.
They just hide their views for money, it's not that complicated
Why is he so small?
Why would you even care one tenth as much as you have typed about these people?
They are gun reviers anon if you need to see a gun review base them on their ability to do that.
This is parasocial badness anon.
>>1599019>Literally fake news lol. Putin did NOT attack communists and certainly not the ones in Donbas.
Not that anon but i literally read an interview from a local communist complaining about repression from the russian authorities after the repression for from the ukranian authoriteis for organizing.
I think you are lying.
>>1599879<parasocial relationship is when you know things about public figures
I care in that I don't want to boost channels run by outright fascists or fascist apologists. Which is increasingly hard to do.
>>1599881>I care in that I don't want to boost channels run by outright fascists or fascist apologists. Which is increasingly hard to do.
Do you not see that as an unavoidable byproduct of interacting with the american 'gun culture' space? It is a culture if for arguments sake not fascist at least heavily adjacent.
Sometimes i watch some of these kind of things for various reasons and always assume they are all reactionaries of some stripe and who all probably in praxis work to some extent with american imperial machine, be it the military, CIA, FBI or so on.
Not just in a calling them glowies sense, as much as a non-sequitur the claim has become if i was to have to point at anyone with law enforcement/state/military/spook contacts it would be these 'gun culture' people.>>1599691> retards: coffins are already made out of perfectly biodegradable wood.
No anon cemeteries are actually really not good land environmentally and you can or should not grow on it because of things like chemicals and heavy metals previously in the body and from the post-death process. Cemeteries are actually large pollutants, and land which tends to get used over a long time, hundreds of years.
And to speak of coffins specifically how do you think a coffin is made to be 'perfectly biodegradable'? I'm sorry but have you ever seen a coffin? have you literally ever been to a funeral? Metal brackets, plastics, varnishes, preservatives and so on, let alone what all garbage you likely use in upholstery aside from simply the carpentry.. In what world is your standard coffin biodegradable?
Imagine claiming retardation & 'green washing' whilst being dead wrong like this. >>1599262>The Racial Slur Database
I read this as<The Rascals Slur Database
and got very confused.
Honestly, This sounds like a much better project. Give me some words to go in the Rascals Slur Database, anons
Keep posting your fantasies.
>>1599818>North Korean leader Kim Jong Un discussed practical issues in stepping up military cooperation with Russia's defence minister, state KCNA news agency said on Sunday, having what KCNA called a "fresh heyday" of relations between the two countries.>Kim's trip comes at a time when "a fresh heyday of friendship and solidarity and cooperation is being opened up in the history of the development of the relations between the DPRK and Russia," KCNA said, using North Korea's official name.
I've been noticing this in some articles I've read online, and I wasn't sure it was just because of the quality of websites until this but it seems like journalists nowadays pad out articles in word count by restating the same information like this through paraphrasing/stating as well as directly quoting.
>>1597177>My samurai image was grafted onto that tweet
/chug/ is the least insane /pol/ posters. Buhanka didn't really take off here, even if it got posted in the beginning, frankly not a lot of memeing has been done here since the initial laughs.
If Alpha chan is the tsarist one, Buhanka chan Z
igga, who is the ML one?
Anyone got a link to that kuritai tweet? I can't find it RN
>>1599890>Do you not see that as an unavoidable byproduct of interacting with the american 'gun culture' space?
I watch videos that talk about the history and design of historical firearms, not gun reviewers wanking over the latest pistol or whatever.
Since Cucktin is letting Zelensky prance about America, I hope the silver lining is that we get more seething-manlet photo shoots like the ones from the NATO summit.
lmao bakhmut is stalling guy is still here
After capturing and releasing them three or four more times Cucktin is going to get serious!
>>1599890>No anon cemeteries are actually really not good land environmentally and you can or should not grow on it because of things like chemicals and heavy metals previously in the body and from the post-death process. Cemeteries are actually large pollutants, and land which tends to get used over a long time, hundreds of years.
I know, and how can "biodegradable capsule bags" fix that? Also, you're exaggerating a bit, it's less than a century. Like all WWII burial sites that weren't actively tended to became just indistinguishable wilderness by now.>And to speak of coffins specifically how do you think a coffin is made to be 'perfectly biodegradable'? I'm sorry but have you ever seen a coffin? have you literally ever been to a funeral? Metal brackets, plastics, varnishes, preservatives and so on, let alone what all garbage you likely use in upholstery aside from simply the carpentry.. In what world is your standard coffin biodegradable?
I actually worked at a graveyard. Point wasn't that that they all are right now, but they were and can be again easily if they actually gave a flying fuck about "biodegradability". Like a basic coffin for unidentified bodies where i'm from? Literally a plywood box with exactly two iron nails. You can probably do without nails and use wooden pegs or something to seal it. Here, dirt cheap mass producible biodegradable dead person pod. You can totally make a fancy one too, with natural fabric and painted wood for decorations. So what the point of that pseudofuturistic egg thingy?
We both know you are the same guy, there's no need to be embarrassed, it's an anonymous imageboard, just own it
>>1596927>poorly formatted bait>source: Al Jazeera quoting literal CIA NGO-assets like Stanislav Andreychuk, co-chair of Golos, a voter rights group designated a “foreign agent” by the Russian government
Yeah I don't trust these claims at all.
>CHEMNITZ, GERMANY—Werner enthusiastically waved a white, red, and blue Russian tricolor flag—with the added imperial crest of the tsars—as we talked outside the former Stasi headquarters of what was once Karl Marx City, now Chemnitz, in eastern Germany.
>“The current German state is worse than what we had during communist times, and America, not [Russian President Vladimir] Putin, is the true evil of this world,” he said, aggressively thrusting his finger in my face, our conversation eavesdropped on by a giant statue of Marx.
>A retired bricklayer in his 70s, Werner might be expected to have mellowed with age. He’s old enough to have been briefly interrogated by the Stasi in the 1980s and to remember his father, a former Nazi soldier, returning disheveled from Soviet imprisonment in the 1950s. But none of that has stemmed his apparent sympathy for Russian imperialism, nor his anger at the West.
>“German reunification benefited only the West Germans, and Germany should leave us Saxons alone,” he said. “Germany should also leave Putin alone, as it was far worse to Russia in World War II than Putin is to Ukraine now.”
>Meet the Free Saxons movement. Werner has been attending every Monday rally of the secessionist right-wing monarchist movement that seeks to restore the kingdom of Saxony, which historically never had much weight beyond its own borders during its 112-year existence that ended with World War I. And like much of the German political fringe, it finds curious common ground with Putin’s Russia.
>The Russian president has exerted influence over East German attitudes toward Russia since he arrived in Dresden, Saxony’s regional capital, on his first posting as a young KGB agent in the mid-1980s. His foreign assignment in East Germany came to an abrupt end on Dec. 5, 1989, when demonstrators occupied the Stasi headquarters. Another crowd rushed to the nearby KGB office where he had a close encounter as they came close to storming the building. His subsequent calls to the Red Army for protection and reinforcements were met with silence, something Putin has never forgiven or forgotten.
>In perhaps his most famous quote, Putin told the Russian parliament in 2005 that the collapse of the USSR was the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century.” To him, it was an experience of personal humiliation. In 1990, he returned with his young family to his hometown of Leningrad, now St. Petersburg, where he claimed to have had to drive a taxi to make ends meet, before landing a more lucrative gig as the serial president, sometimes prime minister, of Russia.
>But almost 40 years later he still finds receptive ears in the former Soviet satellite where a curious alliance of elements from across the political spectrum has voiced sympathy or support for his invasion of Ukraine.
>A survey conducted last October suggests that 40 percent of Germans fully or partially believe that NATO provoked Russia into invading Ukraine; that number increases to 59 percent in provinces that were once part of communist East Germany. Saxony, East Germany’s most populous federal state, falls slap bang in the middle of that anti-NATO heartland.
>In his vendetta against the West, Putin has sought to erode Western liberal democracies and the Euro-Atlanticist compact, boosting destabilizing political candidates and supporting local separatist groups regardless of their ideological alignment. Russian disinformation campaigns have been linked to, among other events, the election of Donald Trump to the presidency of the United States, the Scottish and Catalonian independence referendums, and Brexit.
>Here in Chemnitz, it seems that Saxony is next on the list.
>On a camping table set up next to Werner, political brochures and stickers called for an alliance between Saxony and Russia. There were flags of the historical Kingdom of Saxony and calls for “Säxit”—à la Brexit—far-reaching autonomy from Germany or even Saxony’s secession.
>The Free Saxons, while nominally preoccupied with regional secessionism, offer a broad church of pro-Russian sentiment that has variously united far-right extremists, Soviet nostalgics, and marginalized anti-government cranks who rant about everything from vaccines to 5G to the war in Ukraine.
>“Saxony has always had a public opinion different from the rest. We want good relations with Russia. No weapons for Ukraine,” said Michael Brück, a Free Saxons spokesman who sees the war in Ukraine as one between “Slavic peoples” and one in which Germany has no business.
>“The people here think of [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky as an actor, a criminal, and a puppet of the United States. Putin is his counterpart. He stands up to U.S. imperialism. Most people here are anti-U.S. Here in Saxony, the people remember the Dresden firebombing [in early 1945, a joint Royal Air Force and U.S. Army Air Forces operation]. For the people here, the Americans are warmongers.”
>That history, plus decades of economic deprivation, sowed the seeds of dissent and even radicalism in Saxony. Notably, it was a member of the Saxon-Thuringia aristocracy who planned an attempted coup in Germany in 2022. Prince Heinrich XIII Reuss joined with the Reichsbürger—a far-right imperial revivalist movement—in its attempt to overthrow the government. The plot was uncovered in December when prosecutors arrested 25 Reichsbürger plotters, including Reuss and current and former security service members. The putsch was derided for its grandiose ambition and dead-on-arrival failure. But it was a sobering reminder of the resurgence of the German far right and its apparent willingness to commit violent revolutionary acts.
>The killing of two police officers in January 2022 was also tied to the Reichsbürger, while in April 2022 a Reichsbürger member tried to kill several police officers while they attempted to execute a search warrant for the illegal possession of firearms. The ringleader, Reuss, reportedly celebrated the 2022 Russia National Day in Russia’s consulate general in Leipzig.
>As Russia did with the Trump campaign and Brexit, Saxony has become a target of pro-Russian messaging and misinformation, which flourishes in a post-truth media landscape.
“Nobody believes the [mainstream] media here. If the German media says tomorrow it is going to be sunny, we Saxons will put our raincoats on. That’s why people turn to Telegram,” a social media platform widely used in Russia and Ukraine, Brück said.
>Since the government enforced closure of the Russia Today (RT) operation in Germany, Kremlin sympathizers have tuned in to Russian-linked independent media and influencers. “Anti-Spiegel,” a play on German newspaper Der Spiegel, is run by Thomas Röper, a German blogger living in St. Petersburg, a Kremlin-loyal peddler of disinformation, conspiracy theories, and Russian propaganda. Russian media reports are also translated and published for a German audience. It has 110,000 Telegram subscribers.
>Another German blogger, Alina Lipp—a former German language correspondent for RT—plays an important role chirruping Russian propaganda to her 196,000 Telegram subscribers. Her widest-reaching posts reportedly receive over 2 million views.
>Their messages are finding their mark. In February, the Berlin-based Center for Monitoring, Analysis, and Strategy (CeMAS) released a paper on the role of Russian disinformation in Germany, finding that between the spring and autumn of 2022, approval of pro-Russian propaganda narratives increased significantly, especially in the east.
>Putin’s disinformation warriors have coincided with the rise of anti-technocratic movements on both sides of the ideological divide, a boon to those in Moscow looking to destabilize the centrist consensus that has dominated German politics for decades. The hard-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party has within a year doubled its average poll numbers, riding a wave of populist outrage over immigrants and energy prices.
>The AfD, whose delegations occasionally visit Moscow, wants to dissolve the EU, strengthen Germany’s individual national military posture at the expense of Germany’s NATO engagement, and end all sanctions against Russia.
>Recent national polling put the AfD at 22 percent, ahead of the ruling Social Democratic Party, and trailing only the conservative Christian Democratic Union, at 27 percent. In several eastern states, the AfD polls above 30 percent and has grabbed one mayorship and one district administrator post.
>The AfD, like many others in the east, has a big crush on the Kremlin. A regional legislator, Hans-Thomas Tillschneider, founded an association called East Wind, seeking to forge closer ties with Russia. He tried to visit Russian-occupied territory in eastern Ukraine late last year, before even AfD leadership balked at the optics. Tillschneider has said before that Russia was the liberator of Germany in World War II, unlike the United States.
>"There are still tens of thousands American soldiers occupying our country,” he said, referring to U.S. troops who have spent decades there as part of NATO’s defense against that very same Russia. “The USA wants to make us pawns on the Ukrainian battlefield to expand its ‘rainbow [LGBT] empire.’”
>The German far right loves that kind of talk. But the German left is on board, too, reasoning that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Alliance for Peace in Brandenburg holds vigils on leftist outrage topics, like the bombing of Hiroshima in 1945 or NATO nuclear drills, and lobbies against Western arms deliveries to Ukraine.
> Dominik Mikhalkevich, the Alliance’s Belarus-born spokesman, said NATO drills are escalatory and Germany’s defense mandate should be just to protect its own territory.
>“Sanctions against Russia should be dropped, as sanctions always play in the wrong hands,” Mikhalkevich said. “I am from Belarus, a country where Western sanctions have always caused the opposite they were designed to achieve, as illustrated by [Belarusian President Aleksandr] Lukashenko still being around.”
>Much like what happened in the United States, the special trick with Russian misinformation is how it manages to appeal to both the far right and the far left. German rightists love—and cite—Russia’s gripes about alleged Ukrainian oppression of Russian speakers in the country’s east and south and its claimed defense of white Christian European culture, said Jakub Wondreys, of the Hannah Arendt Institute for the Research on Totalitarianism in Dresden. Yet they are curiously quiet about Russia’s claims to be “de-Nazifying” Ukraine, for obvious reasons.
>The left, meanwhile, is happy to ape Putin’s anti-NATO rhetoric but overlooks his social conservatism. “Both sides are cherry-picking their arguments from the Russian disinformation campaign,” Wondreys said.
>But Germany’s left, split between Putin supporters and opponents, is in free fall. It’s the right that is ascendant. An AfD win in the next parliamentary election in 2025 could turn Germany into a big Hungary, said Wolfgang Muno, a political scientist at the University of Rostock. Hungary under Prime Minister Viktor Orban is Russia’s Trojan horse inside the European Union, consistently backing Moscow while blocking Brussels’s efforts to impose sanctions or wean off Russian energy.
>“We can see what happens when Putin lackeys rule in Hungary,” Munro said. If the AfD joins a ruling coalition, he said, sanctions on Russia, and perhaps large-scale German arms deliveries to Ukraine such as Leopard tanks, would be on the chopping block, and Putin would get a lifeline.https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/17/east-germany-putin-afd-misinformation/
The notion of a left right dichotomy in politics has been a disaster for the human race. When will these pro-American-hegemony lapdog get that the world is 4d and that groups everywhere outside of the pro-NATO sphere don't fit neatly on a line and have their own reasons to oppose NATO and America?
>>1599793>They want to delete me
Because it's the cheapest option and they want to have kids?
Lol yeah I meant to post this, wild, we knew neonazi terrorism would result from this war but I never thought Zelensky would be the one threatening it
doom truck coming through, beep beephttps://strana.today/news/445457-nachalnik-poltavskoho-ttsk-rasskazal-o-situatsii-s-mobilizatsiej-v-svoem-okruhe.html>>1600726>how come the intercept is getting the scoop on it?
idk, but i wouldn't put it past them to have really good sources on this type of coup/color revolution shit
the intercept was the one that blew the whistle on a lot of the lava jato/bolsonaro stuff in brazil too
>>1600725>they're suggesting a partial draft as a response
This is maximum military brain cope, right?
Maybe I'm not the only one playing HoI4, and Limited Conscription is a thing.
I really don't see how modern America could tolerate a draft, it's already a seething hotbed of insanity, this would lead to even more violence bubbling over surely.
>>1600751>but i wouldn't put it past them to have really good sources
consider that sources might be NATO/AFU deliberate disinformation and the Intercept is not immune to this. These numbers look ridiculous, i wouldn't trust ANY "leaked" numbers during wartime particular not when they are concerning Ukraine/NATO
right now the RUAF is under increasing pressure since months and doesn't seem to have a recipe against the ongoing AFU onslaught penetrating their defense lines.
>>1600825>the ongoing AFU onslaught penetrating their defense lines
lmao, do we even have confirmation of ukraine breaching 1 (one) line? 3 months of offensyiv btw
Well, Zelenskyyyy's back on another begging tour, but he now sounds like a desperate man who can hear the footsteps of defeat growing louder and closer. Those walls closing in as his army gets eaten away more each day and western gibs are shrinking and threatening to eventually dry up.
>Scott Pelley: The United States has contributed about $70 billion to your war effort, and I wonder if you expect that level of support to continue?
>Zelenskyy (translated): The United States of America [is] supporting Ukraine financially and I'm grateful for this. I just think they're not supporting only Ukraine alone. If Ukraine falls, Putin will surely go further. What will the United States of America do when Putin reaches the Baltic states? When he reaches the Polish border? He will. This is a lot of money. We have a lot of gratitude. What else must Ukraine do for everyone to measure our huge gratitude? We are dying in this war. (PAUSE) Look, if Ukraine falls, what will happen in ten years? Just think about it. If [the Russians] reach Poland, what's next? A Third World War?
>Pelley: What will it take? Another $70 billion?
>Zelenskyy (translated): I don't have an answer. The whole world [has to] decide whether we want to stop Putin, or whether we want to start the beginning of a world war. We can't change Putin. Russian society has [lost] the respect of the world. They elected him, and re-elected him and raised a second Hitler. They did this. We cannot go back in time. But we can stop it here.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-volodymyr-zelenskyy-60-minutes-transcript/
Mods aren't the fastest (I put in the request 5 days ago) and this general's activity seems to resemble a curse, as if Putin himself is monitoring it. Any time happenings die down, and the mods finally cycle it to stop the catalog from being clogged up by inane, repeating both-sidist bullshit and seething about multipolarity, happenings quickly restart, and by the time the regulars whine enough that they aren't terminally online, and the cycled eats the happenings, videos and (You)s they have missed, and the mods uncycle it, the happening quickly die down, and all we're left with is the safe inane, repeating both-sidist bullshit and seething about multipolarity, that Ukraine eating shit always causes.
That is why US uses proxies. Better bribe and threaten "allied" governments to herd the foreign schmucks to die for you than then cry crocodile tears about martyrs for freedom and democracy, when that war yet again goes tits up and millions die for no reason. Not that it is a choice done out of pure malice but necessity as you said.
inb4 Int.Brig. thirst
The America vs China saga of who's getting the Saudi nuclear plant deal continues…
Timeline so far:https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/08/10/us-saudi-arabia-sell-oil-dollars-chinese-yuan/https://archive.is/20230819020911/https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-saudi-arabia-agree-to-broad-terms-for-israel-normalization-ac6d549c<US pressures Saudi Arabia to sell oil in dollars, not Chinese yuan, amid Israel negotiations | Aug 10>The Wall Street Journal reported that the US is working on a diplomatic deal in which Saudi Arabia would agree to normalize relations with Israel’s apartheid regime.>In return, Riyadh wants Washington to pledge to always protect it, as well as help in developing a nuclear program.>Although the negotiations are ostensibly about Israel-Palestine, the Wall Street Journal noted that the US is using the deal to pressure “Saudi Arabia to impose limits on its growing relationship with China”.>In terms of Saudi-Chinese relations, Washington has three main demands, according to the Wall Street Journal:>1. “assurances that Riyadh will use U.S. dollars, not Chinese currency, to price oil sales”,>2. “assurances from Saudi Arabia that it won’t allow China to build military bases in the kingdom”, and>3. “limitations on Saudi Arabia using technology developed by China’s Huawei”.https://archive.is/20230825031839/https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-eyes-chinese-bid-for-nuclear-plant-e4a56f<Saudi Arabia Eyes Chinese Bid for Nuclear Plant | Aug 24>Saudi Arabia is weighing a Chinese bid to build a nuclear-power plant in the kingdom, Saudi officials familiar with the matter said, in a move designed to pressure the Biden administration to compromise on its conditions for U.S. help in the kingdom’s quest for nuclear power.>The U.S. has said American nuclear aid is contingent on the Saudis agreeing to not enrich their own uranium or mine their own uranium deposits in the kingdom—nonproliferation conditions not sought by China, which has been seeking to strengthen its influence in the Middle East, to the consternation of Washington.>Saudi Arabia has asked the U.S. to help it develop a civilian nuclear program as part of a potential deal that would include diplomatic normalization with Israel, which Riyadh doesn’t recognize. Saudi Arabia is also asking the U.S. to provide security guarantees for the kingdom as part of such a deal.>The Saudi officials said Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is prepared to move ahead with the Chinese company soon if talks with the U.S. end up failing. China will likely not impose the same kind of nonproliferation requirements, making it a more favorable partner to Saudi Arabia, said Justin Dargin, a Carnegie Endowment for International Peace nonresident fellow who specializes in Middle East energy.
And now from yesterday:https://archive.is/2023.09.18-075349/https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/09/17/711011/Palestine-Israel-Saudi-Arabia-normalization-talks-suspend-inform-US-Netanyahu-extremist-nature-oppose-concessions-Palestinianshttps://archive.is/2023.09.18-074734/https://elaph.com/Web/News/2023/09/1515600.html<Saudi Arabia suspends normalization talks with Israel: Report | Sept 17>Saudi Arabia has reportedly informed the United States of its decision to suspend all negotiations on normalizing ties with Israel due to the far-right Israeli cabinet’s unwillingness to make any concessions to the Palestinians. >The London-based Elaph online newspaper, citing an Israeli official, reported on Sunday that Washington has informed Tel Aviv of Riyadh's stance that the “extremist” nature of the occupying regime led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is "torpedoing any possibility of rapprochement with the Palestinians, and therefore with the Saudis.">The report further noted that the Saudis were discouraged after Netanyahu accepted the demands of hawkish Israeli ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich to not make any concessions to Palestinians.>In order to sign a deal with Israel, Riyadh publicly asked Tel Aviv to implement the 2002 so-called Arab Peace Initiative to establish a Palestinian state first.>However, members of the far-right Israeli regime, led by Netanyahu, say they will not make any concession to the Palestinians as part of a potential deal for normalization of relations with Saudi Arabia.>Last week, US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said that Saudi Arabia has let the Biden administration know that resolving Palestinian issues is critical for any normalization deal with Israel.>In addition, according to US officials, the Saudis are privately asking the US to guarantee the kingdom's security in the event of an attack and provide access to civilian nuclear technology, as well as more advanced US weapons systems.>Washington’s efforts for adding Saudi Arabia to the list of Arab countries that have signed the Abraham Accords come at a critical time when Biden is seeking re-election and the US government has been left embarrassed by the kingdom’s bolstering of ties with Iran and Syria, and its further gravitation toward China.
So the Burgers hedged their bets for the nuclear deal mainly on Saudi Arabia recognizing Israel after some concessions to the Palestinians + less economic integration with China and it blew up in their face spectacularly since it doesn't look like Israel wants to play along and the Saudis are not bailing on their ties with China. The negotiations with China on the other hand seem to be going well and they have the advantage of not requiring any of the absurd demands Washington is making, I'm thinking China is getting a big win here.
In other news, Turkey is finalizing their nuclear plant construction agreement with China too:https://archive.is/20230916160903/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-15/energy-minister-says-turkey-aims-for-nuclear-power-program-deal-with-china-soon<Turkey Turns to China for Next Step in Nuclear Construction | Sept 15>Turkey said it is closing in on an agreement with China for construction of a new nuclear power plant, a step that would mark a leap in Turkish efforts to lower oil and gas imports.>Energy Minister Alparslan Bayraktar said talks can be finalized “in a few months’ time” after Chinese officials recently visited the likely site of the future plant, near the borders with Bulgaria and Greece.>“We’ve been in talks with a Chinese company for a very long time,” Bayraktar told reporters in a press conference on Thursday, adding that any differences aren’t major obstacles. “So we will be able to fill the gaps and strike a deal soon with China for the nuclear power program.”>Under the deal, China would build what will likely be Turkey’s third nuclear power plant. The first is under construction by Russia on the Mediterranean coast, while a second, on the Black Sea coast, is still in the planning phase. Russia’s Rosatom as well as South Korean companies are both interested in building the second plant, Bayraktar said, while Turkey is seeking more local participation.
Very nice developments! :)
>>1600925>It went through several complete personnel turnovers because Russians smashed them against Mariupol and Severodonezk in absolute disregard of human life.
remember bros, every NAFO accusation is a confession:https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/07/26/kpcx-j26.html<New York Times admits, then covers up, massive Ukraine casualties | July 25>Since January of this year, the New York Times has published dozens of articles claiming that Ukraine’s “spring offensive” would be a decisive turning point in the war with Russia. But this offensive, now six weeks old, has turned into a debacle. While Ukrainian forces have nowhere breached Russia’s main defensive line, tens of thousands of troops have died.>This is the context in which the New York Times published and quickly edited an article presenting a realistic, and therefore nightmarish, depiction of the Ukrainian troops as little more than cannon fodder, “forced into action” to face almost certain death.>The first snapshot of the article was captured by archive.org at 5:32 a.m. Eastern Time. Over the ensuing 24 hours, a series of major changes was implemented, with no public notice, in which all three of the facts presented above were effaced.
Archived article before it got glowed up: https://web.archive.org/web/20230723093205/https:/www.nytimes.com/2023/07/23/world/europe/weary-soldiersunreliable-munitions-ukraines-many-challenges.html
Some examples of the edits, open the WSWS article for the rest:
>“We’re trading our people for their people and they have more people and equipment,” said one Ukrainian commander whose platoon has suffered around 200 percent casualties since Russia launched its full-scale invasion last year.
edited to:<“We’re trading our people for their people, and they have more people and equipment,” said one Ukrainian commander whose platoon has suffered around [sic] heavy casualties since Russia launched its full-scale invasion last year.
>Ammunition, as always, is in short supply, and there is a mixture of munitions sent from different countries. That has forced Ukrainian artillery units to use more ammunition to hit their targets, since accuracy varies widely between the various shells, Ukrainian soldiers said. In addition, some of the older shells and rockets sent from abroad are damaging their equipment, and injuring soldiers. “It’s a huge problem,” said Alex, a Ukrainian battalion commander.
edited to:<In addition, some of the older shells and rockets sent from abroad are damaging their equipment and injuring soldiers. “It’s a very big problem now,” said Alex, a Ukrainian battalion commander.
>desperately googles "pregnant drafted russia" to find something
<doesn't read beyond the headline
that's one extremely unflattering photo
>Justifying this requirement, a representative of the supervisory agency indicated that the defendant did not leave military service due to pregnancy, but, on the contrary, continued to receive the required allowance and enjoy the available benefits.
>The court of first instance agreed with the prosecutor, assigning Corporal Kabaloeva six years in a general regime colony. But since the defendant has a minor child, her execution of the sentence was postponed until 2032.
machine translation, but still better than not reading it at all like you
OH NONONO LINGER BROS WE GOT TOO COCKY WITH THE MAPS
>muh K/D ratio
No, moron. We are "gloating" because even as shit as Russia is doing they are frustrating the ambitions of Ukrops and NATO and weakening American hegemony by showing that all the high tech bullshit still doesn't counter mass infantry, artillery, and mine fields.
This war is horrific but I think it is going to make the war the Americans want with China politically untenable.
Well, if anything- the /k/ope will be something to witness
>>1600979>As Part 1 of this series examining the past performance and current capacity of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) detailed, Kyiv’s troops in 2022 achieved some exceptional and major battlefield successes. Hope was high heading into 2023 that these wins would pave the way to ultimate victory in the war. Unfortunately, the Ukrainian senior leadership suffered from a combination of bad decisions, an overestimation of their own capacity, and – sadly – an overestimation of the efficacy of Western military gear.
No they'll just blame Slavic untermensch.
Literally gets paid to go on holiday across the Balkans and shitpost every moment of his life. The man figured out life for sure
Reasonable demands by the Saudis tbh.
Saudis dropping the burger vassal status in diplomacy seems like a big W for the entire Middle East except for Israel's apartheid regime.
Meanwhile our burger foreign policy mole just called Xi "dictator" on burger tv. This dumb broad is so embarrassing it's unreal.
Also, both liberal and reactionary MSM now dunk in unison onto Merkel and other former chancellors. Schröder already has sort of a "don't invite this guy to public events and cancel his income if possible" status, Merkel might be next in this club as it just turned out that she blocked Ukraine joining NATO in 2008. Angloids/atlanticists blame the war on her. Maybe they always hated her and just go mask off now. I never liked her either tbh as she's a pro-business neolib, however at least she was a good diplomat and the economy was thriving when she ran the country.
I think the difference between Merkel and the current gov ismore or less that Merkel acted for local capitalists, while the Greens act for American capitalists, may the flood come afterwards.
More purges in Ukraine. 7 deputy defense ministers were fired.https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/18/7420281/
I dunno the AfD also favours national porky over angloid porky (you never know for sure with rightoids though, they tend to switch loyalty real quick depending on who pays more) and some of their members don't hide their sympathy for Putin, yet reactoid/lolbert MSM supports them while turbo atlanticist Springer really, really hates Merkel since a long time. They started shooting against her around the time of the Guttenberg affair iirc. Atlanticist libs on the other hand sort of supported her til Biden entered office.
Yes… Hahaha… Yes
>>1600751>idk, but i wouldn't put it past them to have really good sources on this type of coup/color revolution shit>the intercept was the one that blew the whistle on a lot of the lava jato/bolsonaro stuff in brazil too
The Intercept seems to have been quite good during this war. Ryan Grim didn't screw it up and complete a shift after Greenwald, instead walking a fine line you gotta respect. I get the feeling Grim saw Glenn was half right after the Ukraine war, just didn't want to go down his path. Compare it to progressive lib outlets like The Guardian and it's refreshing
The Ukraine war acted to validate the warnings of hard liners about the degeneration of western democracy via war. Everyone from the 1991 coup onwards got a boost by liberal degeneration
Correct the then-than misspelling.
No, through deterrence libs believe war is peace like through decommunization European supremacy is democracy
Timothy Snyder is a highly ideological historian that depends on the totalitarian grift, which is part of a late theory of democracy struggling with the new conditions of the 21st century.
He's also just wrong, Western and Ukrainian hubris and threats to Crimea are what caused the SMO in the first place. Private companies being tapped to strategically escalate a war is of course an issue. >>1600380>why does East Germany love Russia?
I don't think there's a crisis in American imperialism that isn't about Russia kek
Like Russia, East Germany after 1991 has legitimate grievances with liberal capitalism due to dependency. Much of the liberal world order is breaking down along these lines. Left and right weren't bewitched, it's more that democracy as based on a global metropolitan dictatorship is dividing itself by dependency like it does the world. That's why the Ukraine crisis exposed a gap between the European continent outside of the butthurt belt and the Anglosphere. Holding together oppressor nations together on top of the world just isn't working like it used to, and it is failing to unite left and right behind the center. The return of left and right proves that rather than them being bewitched by nonexistent soft power and made to work together in an international conspiracy.
>The left, meanwhile, is happy to ape Putin’s anti-NATO rhetoric but overlooks his social conservatism
I like how it's taken for granted this is some sort of contradiction in the left lol. I've been hearing this for 20 years and it repeatedly betrays someone who doesn't think you can oppose war because the West reformed enough.
>>1600380>Notably, it was a member of the Saxon-Thuringia aristocracy who planned an attempted coup in Germany in 2022. Prince Heinrich XIII Reuss joined with the Reichsbürger
"Saxon-Thuringia aristocracy" lol, no such thing
I don't know when bourgeois democracy became a choice between national and international capital but that effectively means there's no popular choice
Vid not rel
It's literally called Pooland
>>1600380>In his vendetta against the West, Putin has sought to erode Western liberal democracies and the Euro-Atlanticist compact>his vendetta against the West
Why are libs like this? They literally believe that geopolitics is like an episode of Real Housewives. To them wars happen because of the petty drama of world leaders and not broad socioeconomic forces. Literally a child's understanding of the world.
I'm laughing at this as if I were high as fuck.
Liberals didn't do anything but unite the world too much, which excludes all structural explanations and centers cultural/psychological ones for the crisis. Jeff Sachs and Mearsheimer alike talk about how the state and corporate media pathologize Putin and Russians in lieu of explaining a crisis they caused in 2014. It then feeds into a lie that the state and media is keeping you ahead in an infowar or strategic competition, which feeds into liberal and Western feelings of developmental supremacy. Imagine by dint of birth you know more about the world than the Russian elite, isn't it wonderful to be a democratic citizen?
Idealism means there's no concept of the West dividing and oppressing the world via capitalism, which is why it bungled the Ukraine crisis after failing to recognize a national question it brought to the fore.
It's literally all just ghosts of the past causing the problems of a new international system. It doesn't have any problems of its own from what I can tell, there's only crisis when its openness is exploited kek
This is why liberalism turned into a secular religion that offers woo not unlike the crankish right it defines itself in contrast to. Russiagate was the nail in the coffin, the world just isn't showing any interest in what is left of the struggle for democracy in the first world. It's throughly bourgeois and now based entirely on upholding a global class system
Hungarian, Italian, and French parties rejecting dissolution of ECI
>All this testifies that the desire of the direction given to the Initiative was not to start a frank and fraternal debate, but to isolate the dissenters.
At this point we consider our experience exhausted.>Communist Party (Italy)>Hungarian Workers’ Party
First link. Second link is PCRF condemning the dissolution
KKE preety much decided the dissolution of the eci over a zoom meeting preetty much on its own without a vote
Formally aristocracy was abolished in Germany in 1919, however inofficially they still exist and even have their own aristofag circlejerk courts. Most aristofags moved to the west in 1945 (except class traitors who remained in the DDR) but immediately came back in 1990 and now sit again in their castles on their old property etc.
I met the local count once as he's into forestry and hunting and i have to say he's a fairly decent character. He's less arrogant than expected plus he lacks the smugness of upper middle class liberals & lolberts. I can see why some "traditionalist" rightoids would prefer someone like him over career politicians running the country although it would change absolutely nothing in terms of politics and economics because aristofags are very much content with the status quo. Those monarchist rightoids only care about aesthetics anyway though, they basically want to live medieval RPG style IRL.
The Saxon House of Wettin and it's Thuringian branch ranks highest among old Euro aristocracy. That Reichsbürger aristofag is minor nobility though.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha
We're currently discussing/thinking about having a new ukraine OP general once every week (which would be cycled until the next week) or whenever an actual "happening" occurs, whichever one goes first
new general for this week on the way
>>1601029>I don't know when bourgeois democracy became a choice between national and international capital
Most countries not even have the choice between the two and it's all international capital. Not a clear socialism vs capitalism type fo choice that ultras would like to have, but if a choice came, then option for most countries in this current world that we live in is much more towards national development and therefore socialism.
>>1600933>This was almost two months ago
Wonder how long Russia will remain on the defensive? Wouldn't be super surprised if Putin waits until Ukraine is willing to negotiate and then just takes the separatist states and leaves, but they could go for a lot more if their next offensive is successful.
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