Because Armenians are christian
>Why don't leftists care about the potential second Armenian Genocide?
The fuck am I supposed to do we don't have any power or organizations. What are we supposed to do then? Sabotage non existend weapon shipments to azerbijan with our non existent unions?
>A lot of leftists, especially those who endorse multipolarity, seem to see Turkey as an ally
who are you talking about? can you point to the people who see turkey as an "ally" or did you just make this thread to fight with ghosts?
There is endless threads here about Ukraine and Russia +china when I could make same argument about this. That you can't change them yet people care immensely to discuss them everyday here
>>1600341>There is endless threads here about Ukraine and Russia +china when I could make same argument about this.
Yeah I dont waste my time with those either. I am trying to not have my party irl fall apart and come on here to check out some stuff and blow off some steam from time to time.
Western puppet that has never been defend by western countries and is aligned with Iran to the point Iran says they are ready to defend Armenia. Meanwhile Azerbaijan is aligned with Israel. Open a book
By now it should be obvious the post-9/11 western left always takes the Muslim side in every international conflict. They do it in Ethiopia, Nigeria, CAR, Chechnya, Lebanon, India/Kashmir, Thailand/Pattani, East Timor, etc.
They will even side with full-blown jihadis who murder communists.
Eritrea is mostly orthodox
Their eastern province where all the fuckshit is happening is Muslim-majority.
Western leftists also accuse Ethiopia of being soft imperialist towards its Muslim neighbours.
what does this have to do with me?
if this made it into the top 100 in my priority list, how could i help?
im not going to delude myself into thinking my thoughts and prayers are worth anything to these people. its tragic and solidarity is nice but shit i just dont have the time nor personal investment.
Replace “Armenia” with “Palestine” and ask yourself the same question.
The current war is in Amhara (northwest) and both sides are Christian
Russia is fucking itself over very badly by letting turkey’s satellite state beat the shit out of Armenia and take land from it. Armenia recently made a statement about how russia wasn’t able to protect it etc. Which signals a likely pivot to US. If Armenia were to become Nato aligned then that would mean that both azerbaijan and armenia would be technically russian enemies. I don’t understand why russia is allowing turkey break apart it it’s zone of influence even further. Seems to me that interests of russia bourgeoisie are once again damaging the national interests of russia, since azerbaijan and turkey are both trading partners.
"Christian" in global politics terms usually means "western proxy."
It's weird, because the left will go on and on about how Jesus was (allegedly) a socialist or whatever, but every time Christians in some part of the world get into conflict with non-Christians (usually Muslims but not always) the left will always side against said Christians. It's not just Nigeria, Ethiopia, and Lebanon but also issues like the persecution of Copts in Egypt. Copts were being killed routinely during and after the Arab Spring yet the left never said anything about it. Same thing with the fact that after Bush invaded Iraq almost half the refugees who fled for their lives were Assyrian and Chaldean Christians (two of the oldest Christian communities in the world actually).
You can't really use Christianity to convince conservative white working people in West Virginia and Tennessee to become communists if you do a 180 and start saying Brown Christians overseas are the bad guys.
I posted this mostly to refuge the western aligned = Christian thing. I agree with a lot of your post. A lot of good points
Which countries on that list are Western-aligned vs. China-aligned?
>>1600568>"Christian" in global politics terms usually means "western proxy."
Why though? Give reasons, because "Christians are pro-Western just because" is entirely idealist.
Dumbass has no idea what he's talking about, the shitshow has been happening in Tigray, Amhara and to a lesser extent the Oromo regions, the Somali region (the only eastern province) has been largely quiet.
Palestine is prioritized by the left largely because it's the one international issue where 99.999% of the left agree. The Palestinians are clearly the victims and Israel is clearly the villain. Being a Zionist is the moral equivalent of being a KKK member. Now compare that to every other international issue and you'll see that the left will be largely divided. The left can't even decide if they should support Ukraine or Russia, or if China is still socialist, or if they should support BRICS and "multipolarity".
>>1600404>They do it in Ethiopia, Nigeria, CAR, Chechnya, Lebanon, India/Kashmir, Thailand/Pattani, East Timor, etc.
You forgot that Muslim region in the Philippines.
>>1600330>The ultimate goal of Turkey and Azerbaijan is to take the Zangzeur Corridor from Armenia, thereby connecting Turkey to Azerbaijan to Central Asia. This was the exact same goal the Turks had in 1915, to wipe out the Armenians and create a Greater Turan.
Jesus fucking Christ the meme is real.
Fuck fuck Azeris and Turkey fuuck >>1600340
There is literally a former Maoist Third Worldist who is an adviser to Erdogan (Dogu Perincek) his post-Maoist "Worker's Party" (later renamed Homeland Party/Vatan Partisi) ended up drifting to the Fascist-Illiberal Islamist AKP-MHP nexus to the point of joning hands with Erdogan's paramilitary the Ottoman Hearths (named after the Idealist Hearths who massacred Turkish leftists under blatant NATO support) and disavowing Kurdish leftists. Yet another MZT-Neoliberal Fascist pipeline commong among multipolaristas
It's because a lot of Western leftists are persecuted by crazy Evangelical Christians wanting to genocide all minorities(who are crazy and should be opposed) so the gut reflex is to oppose Christians everywhere even in places where Christians are marginalized like Pakistan or Iraq. Of course it should also be mentioned that a sizeable stratum of Petit Bourg Christians in the Third World are diehard Amerishart supporters, which makes the situation very complicated
Also this MF is closely associated with Doogin because of course he is
A lot of people who were MTWists 10 years ago are PatSocs today.
Really makes you think.
>>1600722>A lot of people who were MTWists 10 years ago are PatSocs today.
The common denominator is Heidegger, who is D*gin's primary influence.
Basically, a lot of Third Worldists, taking from Fanon and whatnot, believe the Third World can resist Western imperialism through returning to their "authentic" nature, or that their "authentic" thought/culture whatever innately resists imperialism. Imperialism has drawn them away from their "authentic" mode of being so anti-imperialist revolt seeks to reconnect them with it.
PatSocs basically follow the same idea but attach it to white Protestant Americans in the flyover states. They say the authentic American-ness needs to be brought out by socialism and that authenticity is being infringed upon by the white liberals on the coasts, Big Tech, etc. etc.
Sorry if this sounds sloppy. It's been ages since I've read Heidegger or the Russian guy.
You might really be on to something with this.
Also kind of bizarre how Foster and his ilk basically did the reverse: many of Foster's "disciples" (Harry Haywood specifically) became American Maoists.
In some cases like Nigeria and Lebanon they're kind of correct though. Compare how much wealth Christians in Lebanon currently have to how much wealth Shias in the south have.
>>1600568>"Christian" in global politics terms usually means "western proxy."
You answered your own question. When an imperial power is trying to dominate a colonial region, its natural allies are small minorities who need all the help they can get to better or maintain their position. And so you get the Marionites cooperating with the French, the Copts cooperating with the British, Marionites, Druze, and Kurdish separatists all being supported by Israel, the US repeatedly backing Kurdish separatists. It's not any kind of ideological program on the part of the West, it's just a natural dynamic of imperialism, you can see the same thing in colonial Rwanda and India with the Belgians backing the Tutsi and Indian Muslims being a lot more willing to work with the British. When it's in US interests to back Muslims against a ruling minority group then they do that, like in Syria.
>You can't really use Christianity to convince conservative white working people in West Virginia and Tennessee to become communists
You can't do this anyway, white conservatives don't even want the wrong color of American Christian moving in next door to them.
Who is Christian Angola, Central African Republic, cooperating with?
The government of CAR is cooperating with Russia so I assume the people you're bitching about support them. No idea about Angola.
True, a lot of "The Fourth Political Theory" can be placed next to Fanon and the casual reader will be none the wiser.
But I doubt the MTWs ever read Heidegger or even Fanon. The common thread, instead, is millenarianism— it's up-front in orgs like The People's Temple or Black Hammer but is also present in a somewhat obfuscated form in both MTWism and "Patriotic Socialism." Of course, D*gin is preoccupied with apocalyptic ideas, but once you remove the Maoist vocabulary from them, MTW tracts also boil down to just another form of colonial millenarianism like that of the Boxers or the Xhosa cattle killers. Similarly, this MAGA-communist nonsense is nothing more than a ghost dance for the ch*ds and just as effective. It's quite telling that the one regime that is admired by both sets is Pol Pot's Kampuchea which put its millenarian ideology front and center with the idea of a year zero, mass ethnic purges, and an all but supernatural belief in the abilities of the Khmer farmer.
I say this as an Armenian diasporoid myself. Armenians are fucking retarded. They literally were the biggest instigators during the late Soviet period, Armenian fascists emboldened by glasnost spent a decade undermining the Soviet Union and preparing for an all out genocide of Azeris. It got so bad that the Red Army literally had to step in (Armenian nationalists already hilariously refer to this as the second Armenian Genocide). Then, when the Soviet Union finally did fall, they immediately saw through their plan to ethnically cleanse Armenia and in particular Artsakh, while the Azeris were totally unprepared as they did not spend the past decade mobilizing and instigating the downfall of the Soviet Union. So, obviously the Armenians won and killed and deported all the Azeris. And things settled down as the Armenians fell into the Russian bloc and the Azeris into the Turkish. Meanwhile, the Azeri population and economy grew considerably whereas the Armenian population and economy was cratered to the point that the City of Baku alone has a higher population than all of Armenia. But still, things stabilized until the Armenians had their next great national idea, which is that they are actually Europeans. So they kicked out the Russians because any day now the Eu and NATO will come calling. Nevermind the fact that they are surrounded to the East by a much stronger and much larger country with a blood vendetta against them from the 90's and to the West by a country with veto power over them joining NATO that also hates them. Obviously, the inevitable happened, and honestly the only thing saving Armenia at this point is Iran also hating Turkey and Azerbaijan. But that doesn't even cover the full depravity and cowardice of bourgeois Armenian nationalism, because at this point, they want Artsakh to be conquered by the Azeris because they see it as an obstacle to being accepted in Europe, so they've basically left all of those people to die after doing a genocide to obtain it in the first place so that the Armenian comprador class can profit better from EU investments while they cry crocodile tears about the evil Azeris.
Armenians are a lot like Polacks. Just a dumb culture that is built entirely on resentment and delusions of grandeur. They will not fix anything until they get over that
I thought PatSocs were Hegelians who were pro-gradualism?
Why does Armenia recognize Israel but not Palestine, when Azerbaijian recognizes both?
ap jan qez stegh mi angam tesel em uxxaki harc unem eli, inchu es komunistakan? gidem vor stalin@ vatamard cher kam yesim inch a qo gaghaparakan payqar@ bayc animast a komunist linel@ ays darum >>1600896
is this tsul? vonces
They are going to give that up for EU gibs
mi ban el avelacn em: tenum es steghi bozer@ vonc poxecin teman? mer masin chen mtacum aylaservac komunistner@
tvyalnert tur gam qo klirt ktrem u qez kercnem turqamol bozi txa
Why would Armenia join the EU?
Are you that Armenian tankie from Twitter?
Let's be real, though. Soviet national policy for Armenia was a disaster. We were promised Artsakh and Nakhchivan, but got neither because they saw it as more important to appeal to Ataroach. And did Pashinyan even win the last elections fairly? Given the scale of protests against him, it seems highly likely he rigged them.
Polish people are retarded, that's probably the connection
>>1600330>Why don't leftists care
who is "leftists?"
also, strawman, what do you want them to do ?
>exact same goal the Turks had in 1915, to wipe out the Armenians
the modern goal prolly isnt to genocide them, just to get the corridor
>as punishment for the 2018 color revolution<why dont you defend a state that aligned with a geopolitical enemy ?
and they did force a ceasefire btw. Why isnt NATO, which turkey is a part of, the ones you try to put pressure on ?
>is a traitor and almost probably a Turkish agent
why, because he isnt a crazy fuck willing to sacrifice his people in war ?
>A lot of leftists, especially those who endorse multipolarity
oh, its another one of these shit thread made by a fucking glowing retard
>seem to see Turkey as an ally
what the fuck are you talking about you fucking moron
>>1601322>scale of protests against him, it seems highly likely he rigged them
there are tons of large scale protests against macron, he is massively unpopular, but nobody think he rigged the elections
Ap tenum es che vor senc nmaner@ mer yerkri masin mi ban chen imanum bayc hl asum en pashoglun vatamard chi, u nmanapes qez qaqibei tegh en dnum vorovhetev bazmabeverutyan masin es xosum
>>1601322>Soviet national policy for Armenia was a disaster
Quite the opposite. The Soviets helped rebuild Armenia. I can’t believe even Armenian communists are ungrateful of this. Truly the Polish of the Middle East.
Turkey is going to fall into civil war anyway soon.
Nope, that’s what will happen to Armenia right before Azerbaijan annexes it.
What's the middle easterners who are always at perpetual risk of genocide? Kurds, Jews, Armenians, etc? It's always a new group of people genociding them.
i am the same poster. it makes no difference. palestine is actually further removed from my country.
what does it have to do with me?
how could i meaningfully help?
im not going to delude myself into thinking my thoughts and prayers are worth anything to these people. its tragic and solidarity is nice but shit i just dont have the time nor personal investment.
Nationalism is a terrible disease.
There is no land connection between Armenia and the Artsakh republic anymore. Artsakh is on its own and will get wrecked.
>>1600896>Armenian fascists emboldened by glasnost spent a decade undermining the Soviet Union and preparing for an all out genocide of Azeris.
Чего блять? Что за чужь
rest in peace, I wonder if Creeper is fighting again with his Armenian brothers this time, in those pictures he looks like he doesn't want to see war again.
I stand with Azerbaijan tbh. Armenia has been a wrecker state for years and wants to join the EU-NATO alliance of reactionaries. It suits the population considering the majority of them are basically fascists who hate Jews if you talk to them for longer than 10 minutes.
Aren't Armenians Jews?
Are we talking about Armenia or Azerbaijan?
Honestly the stubborn insistence of some multipolarity enjoyers that we have to take sides and form an opinion on every petty squabble between tiny bourgeois backwaters has lead to some patently absurd statements and positons. In this case it's pretty obvious that both sides actually do have deep ties to reactionary forces even from the perspective of multipolarity. Any side you take is going to put you in the same camp as powers that are expressly opposed, both ideologically and practically, to the goals and principles you profess to hold.
>>1602546>If a single US military exercise is enough to write off Armenia as a whole then you guys are really too far gone and aren't ready for understanding multipolarity.>ngl you dudes gotta figure out whether youre for multipolarity or for United Russia
I'm thinking it's less multipolarity enjoyers sticking their nose everywhere, and more opportunists trying to use "multipolarity" as an excuse to demand support.
It's basic reactionary NPC reasoning - support my goals, because I used a buzzword that means "the good thing". I remember election time, and being told to support Biden, as the real
>>1602550>It's basic reactionary NPC reasoning - support my goals, because I used a buzzword that means "the good thing"
Pretty much, but the issue that it's impossible to tell who is cynically appropriating the language for their own purposes, and who just has a bad understanding of the concept and/or situation and is misapplying it. Though I will say that the Ukraine war has produced a tendency among Z gang to reject fence-sitting as a matter of principle, even when it's probably the best option. It leads to people taking sides for extremely flimsy reasons, apparently just for the purposes of taking sides.
>>1602556>like you have division commanders on speed dial or millions to drop on their cause, but when asked for explanation, barely anything comes out
Even that though could be the product of a person who thinks that they need to take a side just for the sake of taking sides.
>>1602556>like you have division commanders on speed dial or millions to drop on their cause
That is 100% how you post as well and helps to explains why this place has sucked so badly since last year.
I'm kind of over giving people the benefit of the doubt. Taking a side is meh, but trying to drum up support on a tannu tuvan throatsinging forum is clear idealism, and the chances that an idealist is a reactionary are much higher than them being just a dim revolutionary.
>taking a side in a conflict you can’t do anything about
I remember last time they did this it was the exact same story in the thread on leftypol, the board not deciding which side would get leftypol's spiritual support.
I find it hard to believe that was already 3 years ago. I've been on this shitty site too long.
It's a lot different this time, Azeris getting a lot more support due to Russian schadenfreude over Armenia and Karabakh getting fucked. That will be the only issue that matters to some outspoken anons on this board, even moreso than the massive, nonstop shipments of arms from Turkey and Israel to Baku.
Also Armenia sitting back and watching as the Artsakh enclave gets wrecked because Pashinyan is a cuck
>>1600727>taking from Fanon and whatnot
pretty sure dugin takes heavily from heidegger
nvm ignore me i skipped the last bit
Sorry chinlet we only support Azerbaijan here
>>1600896>I say this as an Armenian diasporoid myself. Armenians are fucking retarded
is there any diaspora that doesn't hate their home country
It's always polarizing. Diaspora doesn't really do middle ground. Ukrainians overseas were the only ones besides Lviv region to vote for Poroshenko vs. Zelensky.
like all of them? What are you talking about?
>With the mediation of the command of the Russian peacekeeping contingent deployed in Nagorno-Karabakh, an agreement was reached on a complete cessation of hostilities starting at 13:00 on September 20, 2023.
>️Indeed, it is difficult to call it peace. In fact, capitulation. An agreement was reached on the withdrawal of the remaining units and military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia from the deployment zone of the Russian peacekeeping contingent and on the dissolution and complete disarmament of the armed formations of the Nagorno Defense Army- Karabakh and the withdrawal of heavy equipment and weapons from the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh with the aim of their rapid elimination.So NGHR is everything⚡️
What does this mean?
That was fast.
It's a total surrender of Karabakh to Azerbaijan.
>Armenian republic will withdraw all remaining units from Russian peacekeeping force
>COMPLETE disbandment and disarmament of the armed formations of the “Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army” and the withdrawal of heavy equipment and weapons from the…
Pashinyan libs and diasporoids rly played the long game to dump this problem so they could join NATO/EU/GAE
They are also blaming Russia already lol
Well with white emigres it’s always different but besides them, like 99% of diasporoids are massive chickenhawks for their home country, especially Armenians
>>1602877>russia yoinked nagorno-karabakh and then started protests to oppose its own vile schemes
their foul machinations never cease…
The Armenian military needs to launch a coup against Pashinoglu after this latest humiliation: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66863702
Damn, and I though central american henchmen were the lowest denominator in military puppet affairs.
Somehow they manage to surpass people whose job was to defend an oligarchy, by betraying their alleged countrymen for some gibs
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2436863/armenian-separatists-in-karabakh-surrender-and-agree-to-ceasefire-with-azerbaijanArmenian separatists in Karabakh surrender and agree to ceasefire with Azerbaijan
Was the closest and open I could find
An operation that would make Iron Dimon smile
Again, Rip Artsakh. Would have stayed in the USSR and saved themselves and humanity all this shit. May the reign and boots of the heirs of partocrat Aliyev sooth their souls
>>1602781>Ukrainians overseas were the only ones besides Lviv region to vote for Poroshenko vs. Zelensky.
My mother is an Ukrainians diaspora (moved out in the 90s) and she regularly shit talks Zelensky, Brussels and the US. She's obviously not a fan of Putin either, but she's not the Slava Ukraini type like west Ukrainians are.
>Armenian protesters demand Pashinyan ouster after Karabakh surrender
This guy had this happen a few years ago and he withstood and didn't resign. Let us see this time https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/several-hundred-protesters-gather-armenian-capital-after-karabakh-surrender-2023-09-20/
‘<Azerbaijan’s business’ The Kremlin’s media guidelines tell the Russian press to blame Armenia and the West for Baku’s deadly shelling of Nagorno-Karabakh
>Meduza has obtained a copy of guidelines distributed by the Kremlin late September 19 to Russia’s state-controlled news media. The memo contains instructions on how to cover Azerbaijan’s military strike on Nagorno-Karabakh, in which 32 people have been killed and more than 200 injured.
>Russia’s news media are advised to stress that the assault was precipitated by Armenia and its Western “partners,” and that “the Armenian leadership has recognized the sovereignty of Azerbaijan over Karabakh.”
>To support this claim, the Kremlin suggests quoting what Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said in October 2022 when he and Azerbaijan’s president, Ilham Aliyev, made mutual assurances of each country’s respect for the other’s sovereignty.
>The media guidelines say this:
>The Armenian Premier was probably pushed to make these remarks by his Western “partners,” who should now fully share the responsibility for their consequences. The Armenian leadership’s decision, which cardinally altered Karabakh’s status, prompted Azerbaijan to take action. Baku now sees the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh as its own internal business.
>As for the Russian peacekeepers deployed in Karabakh, the Kremlin suggests describing their function as “monitoring” the situation in the region. It is, nevertheless, advisable to talk about how the peacekeepers help “evacuate the civilian population.”
>Other suggested topics for the media to cover include a story about displaced Karabakh residents taking “refuge” in an Orthodox church building, located on the grounds of a Russian peacekeeping base.
>Examples of compliant coverage have already started to appear in print. The newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda, for instance, writes that Nikol Pashinyan agrees that “Karabakh is Azerbaijan.” “The people of Armenia want to see peace in Karabakh and prosperity in Armenia. The government in Yerevan, though, judging by its policies, only dreams of getting rid of Karabakh and sailing west,” the paper opines.
>Similarly, the online news outlet Lenta.ru writes that “the Karabakh question is essentially turning into Azerbaijan’s internal business.”
>On September 20, Azerbaijan and the government in Nagorno-Karabakh declared a cease-fire. The Artsakh Defense Forces, established with Armenia’s help in Nagorno-Karabakh, will now be dissolved.
>On September 21, a meeting on “reintegrating” the Karabakh Armenians into Azerbaijan and ensuring their safety is scheduled to take place in Yevlakh.https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/09/20/azerbaijan-s-business
Russia did nothing to prevent the attack on Nagorno-Karabakh: MEP calls for sanctions against Baku
Azerbaijani bombing in Nagorno-Karabakh is aggression. For months, I have been condemning the illegal blockade of Lachin and the risks of a new escalation by Azerbaijan aimed at ethnic cleansing of the region's indigenous Armenian population, Member of the European Parliament Fabio Massimo Castaldo has said, the Armenian Embassy in Italy reports.
“Today’s tragic facts prove Baku’s violent and expansionist intentions. More than 120,000 ethnic Armenians in Artsakh are threatened to be displaced from their homes. There is also a threat of probable aggression against southern Armenia.
The European Union must act now by imposing sanctions on Baku to force the regime to stop this brutal invasion. If they had listened to the joint letter from me and 51 fellow MPs, all of this could have been avoided.
Baku stated that it informed Moscow in advance about the impending attack, which means that the Kremlin did nothing to prevent the attack. This makes them complicit in this crime as well: once again they stabbed Armenians in the back,” the MP also noted.
Azerbaijan launched a large-scale attack against Nagorno-Karabakh on September 19, among the casualties and wounded are civilians. On September 20, it became known that the authorities of the Republic of Artsakh accepted the proposal of the command of the Russian peacekeeping mission regarding the cessation of fire.
Proposal by Azerbaijan envisages the withdrawal of the remaining units and servicemen of the RA Armed Forces from the deployment zone of the Russian peacekeeping troops and the dissolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh armed formations, the complete disarmament of the Defense Army, as well as the withdrawal of heavy equipment and weapons from the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh in order to quickly eliminate them.
In addition, on Thursday, the representatives of Artsakh and Azerbaijan will meet in Yevlakh, a city in Azerbaijan located about 100 km northeast of Stepanakert, and the issues of ensuring the security of Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians will be discussedhttps://news.am/eng/news/782179.html
>Despite the beginning of the ceasefire ASQ has continued shelling diferent locations of Nagorno-Karabakh, which causes the death of more civilians. Moreover, this evening ASQ began shelling HZU positions in Gegharkunik district, which is Armenian terrritory internationally recognized. (Impostant to note that 107 sq km of Armenia are occupied by Azerbaijan)
Just awful all around.
This is where nationalism leads. No war but the class war!
I await for a new Rojava in the Caucasus
Armenians are so fucking stupid but people are obsessed with defending them because they were oppressed like 100 years ago. It kinda reminds me of the Irish
Northern Ireland is still the world's oldest colony
Hopefully one day soon the whole island will be united as an EU colony.
Their current leader is so stupid and undermines his country so much that he might as well be a Turkish/Azeri agent
The CSA supported slavery.
Armenia is not a slave state.
That's not armenia though. That's iranian azerbaijan
Am I a simp for liking your shitpost?
Honestly if Azerbaijan just swept through Armenia would anything really be lost?
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