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Why aren't y'all reading reports from the living movement, anons?

China’s Health and Health Care in the “New Era” by Wei Zhang
<Wei Zhang is an associate professor at the School of Marxism of Tsinghua University in Beijing, People’s Republic of China. This work was supported by the National Social Science Foundation of China under Grant no. 20BKS076.
Although China’s health system has functioned efficiently during the COVID-19 pandemic with timely and free deliveries of tests, vaccines, and treatments, outside of the pandemic, the system has not always performed optimally. Despite growing government spending on health, the household burden of out-of-pocket health care costs has increased. Self-rated health scores among the population have decreased and chronic disease prevalence has increased, especially for young people. Unnecessary medical care remains widespread, and the patient-physician relationship has not yet achieved a satisfactory level. While China’s health and health care in the “New Era” have seen significant improvements, they face deep-seated problems and challenges.

Relative Pauperization and Involution in Contemporary China: A Survey of Jingzhou City by Alex Witherspoon, Amir Khan and Yu Zhou
<Alex Witherspoon is a graduate student at Yangtze University’s School of Economics and Management in Jingzhou, China. Amir Khan is an associate professor of English in the Foreign Studies College at Hunan Normal University in Changsha, China. Yu Zhou is a graduate student in the School of Foreign Languages at China University of Geosciences in Wuhan, China.
Involution, an obscure term once known only to scholars in the social sciences, has perhaps now been spoken in every Chinese university and high school. In casual Chinese discourse, the term involution refers to the subjective feeling that increased investment of effort and other resources into personal development is yielding diminished returns.1 A college graduate performing work that does not require any educational background might be called a victim of involution, while the increased investment of time and money into education for middle and high school students is almost universally understood to be an example of involution. Thirty years ago, a poor peasant or worker could hope that their child’s participation in public education or civil service could allow them to secure a relatively high-paying job and superior social status. Today, the situation is quite different. China is currently undergoing some of the most widespread youth unemployment in its recent history.2 Intense competition for education and civil service opportunities has put considerable emotional and financial strain on working-class families. The poor personal economic outcomes of such competition have left many young Chinese adults deeply dissatisfied with the present labor market and education system.

Degrowing China—By Collapse, Redistribution, or Planning? by Minqi Li
<Minqi Li is a professor of economics at the University of Utah. Li can be reached at [email protected].
Despite their socialist orientation, many degrowth theorists have not advocated social ownership of the means of production in material production sectors such as agriculture, mining, manufacturing, and construction (as supposed to public-service sectors such as health care, education, or transportation). When degrowth theorists talk about “planning,” they often use the term to refer to a coordinated and organized process of transition to degrowth, rather than as a society-wide mechanism in a future mode of production. In some cases, degrowth theorists seem to use the term “planning” simply to mean regulation of capitalist enterprises, rather than socially determined allocation of productive resources. In a recent paper, the authors argue that the influence of neoclassical steady-state economics or post-Keynesian postgrowth economics, reliance on market mechanisms and instruments, as well as a possible bias toward localism, may have prevented degrowth theorists from approaching planning in a substantial and effective manner.
China is currently the world’s largest economy measured by purchasing power parity, as well as the world’s largest energy consumer and carbon dioxide emitter. Thus, any discussion about degrowth and global sustainability would be largely fruitless without serious consideration of how China can be “de-grown.” This article discusses the possibility of “degrowing” China and considers what policies and institutional changes would be required for such a possibility to materialize.

The Ideology of Late Imperialism by Zhun Xu
<Zhun Xu is an associate professor of economics at John Jay College, City University of New York, and Howard University. To get in touch, you can e-mail zxu [at] jjay.cuny.edu. The author would like to thank Minqi Li, Yaozu Zhang, Ying Chen, Zhongjin Li, Barbara Foley, Corinna Mullin, Anthony O’Brien, Immanuel Ness, Dan Wang, Stuart Davis, Hairong Yan, Han Cheng, and Salvatore Engel-Di Mauro.
In 1990, when renowned Indian Marxian economist Prabhat Patnaik asked “Whatever Happened to Imperialism?,” once vibrant and influential schools of theories on imperialism were at a postwar historic low. When he left the West to return to India in 1974, imperialism was at the center of all Marxist discussions. But when he came back to the West merely fifteen years later, imperialism already seemed out of fashion. After all, the end of the Soviet Union and liberals’ declaration of the end of history were near.
Patnaik suggested that this waning might be because of the very strengthening and consolidation of imperialism after the Vietnam War.3 This was evident from the tyranny of the global division of labor as well as the destructive functions of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. Besides these, there was also a more direct development among Western liberal and leftist intellectuals, which aimed politically to diminish anti-imperialist writings. Since the 1970s, well-known leftist writers such as Bill Warren, Robert Brenner, Michael Hardt, Antonio Negri, and David Harvey have contributed to this kind of intellectual counterrevolution.

Aside from a change in research interests among scholars, the retreat from the question of imperialism has above all facilitated the rise of conservative ideology framed as leftist discourse. There has been a return of what we can call Second International politics, which essentially break from the Marxist traditions exemplified by Lenin and Mao Zedong, and severely limit revolutionary potential in the imperialist core.


Why would I read when I can just stroke my ego and call people ultras online?


Check out this Instagram account I found, it seems pretty rad. It's called rightwingism.china. https://www.instagram.com/rightwingism.china/


why would i stroke my ego and call people dengists online when i could read?

but i refuse to read anything Chinese because maoism is rooted in bourgeois developmentalism and nationalism more than it is marxism

wang ming was correct


>wang ming was correct

Ah yes, the famously successful and correct 28 "bolsheviks". How exactly did things go with the Jiangxi Soviet again? Maybe dispense with the dogmatism and you'd learn a thing or two.


dogmatism is good actually. if it wasn't for Mao's lax stance on ideological issues deeper than "le peasants are le good :DDDD" the cultrev wouldn't have been a complete failure and we wouldn't have Deng today. simple as.


>if it wasn't for Mao's lax stance on ideological issues
Jesus I forgot how utterly detached some people are on this site.


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>he household burden of out-of-pocket health care costs has increased
>Unnecessary medical care remains widespread
>China is currently undergoing some of the most widespread youth unemployment in its recent history.
>Thus, any discussion about degrowth and global sustainability would be largely fruitless without serious consideration of how China can be “de-grown.”
>imperialism already seemed out of fashion.


I've read every one you posted but the first and every one has a warped understanding of Marxism, which affects their work and corrupts their analysis. I did learn about some topics by reading these articles though. Degrowing China—By Collapse, Redistribution, or Planning? advocates for 0 growth or degrowth, sidelining its section on falling profit to focus instead on ecological and demographic collapse, which is not Marxism. I don't really have time to write more in depth but I am highly critical of the revisionism in found in some of these papers.
>Wang Ming
He was dissolutionist scum. Left-coms should be boiled like the babies you are.


>implying chinese are maoists
uygha u racis


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>tagging your images using file names


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>In 1981, the Ministry of Health, in its Report on Solutions for the Loss-Making Problem of Public Hospitals, attributed public hospitals’ financial deficits to their “excessive emphasis on the public welfare purpose.” The document proposed that to solve the problem, public hospitals should make up for losses by charging higher user fees. Public hospitals were also permitted to retain profits for employee bonuses and collective welfare expenses, which effectively tied doctors’ income to the economic performance of hospitals. The report argued that, unless the revenue of hospitals and doctors became linked to their performance, competition and incentive mechanisms would be impossible to establish and, consequently, the quality of health services would “inevitably” deteriorate.


maohead spends every post and every thread seething about china but will deny he's trying to manufacture consent for WW3 with them.

maohead is a bloodthristy patsoc in disguise and simply wants to see amerikkka nuke china for not being socialist enough


>we wouldn't have Deng today.
he died in 1997


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listen to these chinese guys writing english for an english speaking audience in an english "marxist" rag


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>maohead is a bloodthristy patsoc
Patsocs are pro-china tho. Like full stop. They think China is le based anti-lgbtq land for some raisin.


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Patsocs love China, the fuck're you on? If your understanding of line struggle in the Communist movement begins and ends with "you either love China or want to see the CPC bombed to bits" you simply aren't a communist or interested in engaging with a real movement. Hell, the first and third articles are barely more than lukewarm critiques stressing the need to orient away from marketization/privatization and toward stronger central planning. The fourth article isn't even a critique of China and actively disputes whether it would ever be possible for China to become part of the imperial core even if it wanted to!
>Some might argue that even though China is not imperialist now, it may grow to be. This view might be too confident in imperialism’s capacity to absorb such a large population into its center. As Li notes, a hypothetical Chinese imperialism means a dramatic increase in surplus transfer from the periphery that is unlikely to be possible, both economically and ecologically.
pic related.

>Monthly Review
>english "marxist" rag
>implying MR is feds
Buddy I don't know what to tell you, that shit's just unhinged. The implication that Monthly Review or any Chinese national writing in English for an English speaking audience is a fed is absurd on its face. Is the CPC run by feds too, since they and their representatives have written English-language pieces in foreign publications? Are Walter Rodney and Samir Amin feds, since they published with Monthly Review? Was William Hinton a fed, since he published his famous work on the revolutionary transformation of China through Monthly Review Press? Like come the fuck on dude.

Want something in Chinese? Here, knock yourself out:


Amerikkka is actively aiding genocide in Palestine and you still find the time to complain about "Dengism" as though it were somehow a material threat to leftism where you live.


Anon you're the first person in this entire thread to even use the word "dengism". You're actively making shit up to get mad at instead of reading.


maohead anon is will known for turning every thread into a anti-dengoid struggle sesh


First I'm hearing about it. Like I said Deng has barely even been mentioned in this thread, and not by maohead. Only one of the articles they posted even mentions him. Maybe chill out?


lurk more


Good post as always by S poster


the S poster is unironically the best read poster on this whole website


>Why aren't y'all reading reports from the living movement, anons?
Ive had correspondence with people in the CPC I knew from when I was studying there and who we met as foreign students, but their organizational experiences and tactics as the dominant, institutionalized political force wasn't of any help to us as a marginal, vilified and resource-poor organization. Our situations are in no way compatible, our tasks are different, our goals are different, our support infrastructure is different, the level of skill and knowledge of our cadre is different, the dominant ideology in our countries are different. Reading minor reports on how market-based China has poverty isnt usefull, and I dont need to read reports for things ive seen and experienced with my own eyes.


Monthly Review has been infiltrated by feds before.
Source: I was researching Belarus and found a 90s article condemning Lukashenko which admitted that the local police sympathized with him and were pissed off at being told by Americans that they should just accept bribes and turn a blind eye to oligarchs and allow capitalism to take root. They underestimated just how mad the KGB would get haha.


Monthly Review is an excellent journal and website


>Amerikkka is actively aiding genocide in Palestine
Damn if only there was a powerful socialist country to provide material support to the Palestinian cause the way the USSR used to.


What tool do you use for tagging images? Can you search by tags with it?


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>the living movement
the living movement of working 996 to pay rent to your landlord & buy gucci bag


>it's another one of these threads


The struggle is real


Hydrus, similar to a local booru, if you've used a booru site (like https://lefty.boorru.org ). You can search tags and do all kinds of stuff, depending on how much you care (e.g. have one tag imply another, like 'what' = 'wut' or 'rifle' -> 'gun' -> 'weapon').
If you ever need to chat with the dev, https://8chan.moe/t/res/13212.html

It's a workflow that works for me, although after importing and tagging a few hundred images in one week I can understand why someone might not go to the initial effort for a large collection.


Thanks, man. So from what i got it uses sql database to store all additional info. How much hassle it is to run both client and server locally on linux distro? Both in terms of resources and setup. Asking since i noticed it was written for windows primarily. Does it have some cli tools for search and stuff?

P.S. Been planning on integrating exiftool into my own setup, but not much free time lately.


>How much hassle it is to run both client and server locally on linux distro?
Read the manual section about the server - you probably don't need it. I don't use one, just client which talks to the database. I haven't checked performance but it's never been an issue on my mid-range, 5yo+ laptop.
>Does it have some cli tools for search and stuff?
I've never used CLI for it so I can't help you there, I get the feeling CLI is not particularly useful beyond some launch arguments. Might be a third party program that could help? https://hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/client_api.html Otherwise, I'd ask the dev to see if they have knowledge of a project.


Well, thanks anyway, been looking for final solutions to my picture folder and hydrus wasn't even on the radar. Definitely gonna try it.


>although after importing and tagging a few hundred images in one week I can understand why someone might not go to the initial effort for a large collection.
I know the feel, I tried using tagspace for my webm porn collection at some point but gave up not even halfway through

when I was looking for similar solutions I think I saw hydrus but I didnt want to store my shit in a separate db. Tagspace just rename files or use sidecar files (I use rename because sidecar break if you move them outside of tagspace).


>Critical Support [for social imperialism]
Based totally unbiased social democrat.


Oh joy, one of these posts. Here lemme translate
>Critical support
<completely uncritical support in practice
>Don't manufacture consent
<I have no faith in the masses ability to think and worry that any criticism will make workers ravenous warmongers against China.
>Cautiously observe development
<Watch Chinese media and CPC statements only with the baseline that SWCC is correct
>Focus more on domestic organizing
<Completely abandon any real international scope to our movement. No struggle, deep international connections/conversations, or analysis. Just vibes and vague "awareness" of things happening in other countries.
>Don't care so much about things you can't change
<Forget about this being a collective struggle and stick to the individualistic bourgeois paradigm that we naturally gravitate towards in the imperial core. Don't think about unimportant questions like "what is socialist development?" or "how can things be one thing in form but another in content?" that are clearly irrelevant to your own struggle.

I didn't even make this thread to be anti-China or whatever. I made this thread because, though China is extremely visible on the left, Chinese authors who aren't Mao, Xi, or Deng aren't. The Chinese left has a lot to contribute and we need to genuinely engage with it rather than just reading the documents of "great leaders" and official party statements. The top isn't where the meaty analysis happens anywhere, in any country, it comes from below.

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