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No.1683250
>>1683245It's amazing how anti-Muslim sentiment can bring people together, even stornfags and ziouyghurs.
No.1683287
>>1683276I'll try to remember adding it to the OP if I make the next thread
and don't forget changing anything it like this time No.1683291
>>1683290I expected more from the Jewz
No.1683313
>>1683290>reddit.go back.
No.1683315
>>1683304The KSA's military is notoriously incompetent. Don't read too much into it.
No.1683317
>>1683315both the USN and SAS are also stationed in the region though.
No.1683320
>>1683317The USN are fucking blind and they've been fooled a million times already and the SAS are negligible. They aren't a naval warfare arm so they are irrelevant here. I should remind you the USN's focus over the past month has been the Med and the Persian Gulf, so they were caught with their pants down again.
No.1683322
>>1683315Are their fighter pilots still afraid to fly through clouds?
No.1683323
ALLAHU AKBAR
No.1683325
>>1683320yes hence the point, NATO is a paper tiger.
No.1683327
>>1683304That's where it was on Saturday according to that image but the Houthis seized the ship on Sunday, so I'm not sure that was the exact location. Going 17.5 knots…. would allow the ship to clear a few hundred miles in a day (sorry, imperial measurements) which could have placed Galaxy Leader close to Yemen.
No.1683330
>>1683327the ship transponders update on a scale of minutes, so this is where the ship was when its transponder was switched off.
the transponder would not have been switched off by the crew. in fact, i dont think they can even do that. meaning, that must be where the ship is when it was taken.
No.1683334
>>1683330>the ship transponders update on a scale of minutes, update to what? Do we know that the website the information was obtained from is updated by the minute?
No.1683340
>>1683334yes, you can check literally any other ship on the site and see that the transponders update every few minutes. you can even track ships the entire journey. this is probably how the houthis did the basic recon for this mission tbh.
>>1683333they COULD probably do so, but the transponders are on these ships for a reason. they are a piece of vital safety equipment and the entire purpose of them updating constantly is so the ship owners and local authorities can track the ships in real time and respond quickly to any danger or distress. the crew absolutely would not have turned off the transponder without a houthi gun to their head.
No.1683342
>>1683340Fair enough. Will they take more or will the rest re-route or dock safe?
No.1683343
>>1683340A maritime insurance company here. The general rule from spending a few minutes looking at it is to not switch off transponders because it helps avoid collisions and so warships know where you are, but it does happen in pirate waters.
Moreover, they warn against it because warships take that a sign you might be trying to avoid sanctions. I don't think it's impossible they switched off when getting close to Yemen.
https://www.gard.no/web/updates/content/27716479/going-dark-is-a-red-flag-ais-tracking-and-sanctions-compliance No.1683344
>>1683343but they weren't close to Yemen when they switched it off. they were almost a full day's voyage away, in fact, and they were in the middle of a very crowded international shipping lane and less than an hour away from the largest naval base in the region. there is no way the crew switches off their transponder there unless they have men with guns making them.
No.1683346
>>1683342i hope so, but the USN already has significant assets in the region so they are probably just going to escort "Israeli" ships
No.1683350
>>1683348does Hamas even do suicide bombings? isn't that isis tactics?
No.1683352
>>1683350>does Hamas even do suicide bombings? isn't that isis tactics?They stopped them a while ago due to not being so tactically usefu.
No.1683360
>>1683239I liked his analysis.
No.1683362
>>1683350Suicide bombing was Hamas signature move. They were famous for it. The first was carried out in 1993 and their last in 2008. Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Fateh linked groups and the PFLP also carried out their own suicide attacks during the Second Intifada.
>>1683352They stopped them in favor of rocket attacks. Hamas still defends its suicide bombings although they've distanced themselves from it in recent years.
No.1683364
>>1683344I'm not sure that's true. It makes sense to me to go dark before making the approach, then reappearing a week later after clearing the strait. It just makes them harder to track with the civilian software that we're using, military radars will still pick them up.
There's an article here about ships destined for Israel going dark recently:
>Oil tankers in the Red Sea are taking unusual actions amid the Israel-Hamas war, shutting off their global tracking transponders — called Automatic Identification Systems (AIS) — in an effort to traverse the waters undetected. “There’s been a big drop-off in tanker AIS signaling Israel as their destination,” said Homayoun Falakshahi, senior oil analyst at global trade intelligence firm Kpler. “In fact, we don’t see any crude-carrying tankers doing so at the moment.”https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/30/israel-hamas-war-and-rocket-attacks-lead-oil-tankers-to-unusual-moves.htmlWould be worth it to do more research in maritime trade magazines.
>>1683350Around 20 years ago during the Second Intifada. A wild song about it.
No.1683371
>>1683364Yea to me it seems entirely reasonable that they were possibly tipped off to be careful before or simply the israelis decided to take the initiative due to escalations. It's not like ship hijackings as a tactic come from nowhere after al.
>my mans singing his suicide bomb song outside a bombed out bus.Pretty funny. 8/10
No.1683372
>>1683364this ship wasn't destined for Israel, though, nor was it Israeli flagged. it was going from Egypt to India. it is just an israeli owned ship.
also, again, this is in the middle of one of the busiest shipping lanes in the middle east, almost within visual range of the second largest port in Saudi. i think the Saudi coast guard would have some questions if you shut off your transponder there!
No.1683376
Israel big mad it lost a bunch of guys today.
>Gaza Strip being bombed ‘from north to south’: AJ correspondent
There are more air strikes taking place right now at different locations in the Gaza Strip from north to south.
Literally the entire northern part of Gaza City right now is under heavy bombardment and air strikes. Confrontations with the Israeli military are also taking place right at the centre of Gaza at the axis where the Israeli military pushed their armoured vehicles.
Where we are reporting from, in Khan Younis, has also been a major target of Israeli air strikes. We are talking about both sides – the eastern side of Khan Younis and the western side of the city.
People from the eastern side who were told to move to the western side have found themselves the target of Israeli air strikes. We are talking about more residential homes and an apartment [which] was also targeted in one of the residential towers.
No.1683377
>>1683370Intel does most of it's R&D in "Israel" and so at this point is basically an "Israeli" company. I would also add Boeing in there, they build the planes "Israel" uses to kill kids.
No.1683382
>>1683371Back when Somali piracy was more of an issue, it was common for merchant ships to have armed guards. Would probably cause problems for a helicopter boarding but won't stop a Houthi cruise missile.
>Pretty funny. 8/10I'm wondering where they got the bus! Did they just do it up for the video or what? I'm going to be autistic about this until I figure it out.
>>1683372<*calls the Saudi coast guard*>Hey we're going dark. Just wanted to let you knowSaudi coast guard: "Okay."
No.1683386
>>1683382houthis had an armed MI-8 chopper so they wouldn't have had any trouble with a few guards. unless you have heavy machine guns or actual AA weapons (which even armed guards cant just buy), there isn't much you can do against a Hip with rocket pods.
No.1683395
>>1683377thanks, I've found a list of every company that officially condemned Hamas
https://som.yale.edu/story/2023/list-companies-have-condemned-hamas-terrorist-attack-israelWWE, the fucking WWE wrestling network condemned Hamas, like what are they intending to do here? book a tag team match between Abu Ubaidah and Gal Gadot?
No.1683397
I haven't followed for the last week. Nada.
What did I miss? No way am I reading all your autistic posts.
No.1683398
>>1683395It's funny how this whole condemnation thing works now
No.1683399
every article/tweet/comment addressing the ridiculous lack of evidence for what israel claims to exist or have found underneath civilian infrastructure in gaza should be preceded by "even if what they say were 100% it does not justify blowing up 5000 babies, as the idf has already done". not doing so kinda leaves the door open for libs to think that if the idf finds the right thing it'll all be justified
No.1683404
If TikTokers have read Letter to America, has leftypol read Khomeini's letter to Gorbachev?
No.1683406
>>1683404>has leftypol read No
No.1683408
>>1683403>Running without cover/firecover towards sniper victimsWhat the actual fuck are they doing?
No.1683409
>>1683408Getting Isekai'd.
No.1683412
one of you post that video of Israelis capturing a Palestinian flag that turned out to be explosive
No.1683429
>>1683382ok why don't any of the thousands of other ships that transit that route every day turn off their transponders then? why just this one?
seriously which makes more sense to you.
either Galaxy Leader switched off its transponder while in the middle of one of the most crowded sea transit routes in the world, which would be both extremely dangerous and also raise questions from the scores of international naval forces in the region, none of whom noticed anything.
or
The Saudi government, which lies about everything, lied about this to make themselves look better.
No.1683430
>136 armored vehicles destroyed/damaged
>IDF has around 1700 combat ready tanks
Isn't losing almost 10% of your entire armour stock within a single 3 weeks offensive pretty bad?
No.1683432
>>1683427Explosive condoms, do they blow off your weiner?
No.1683434
>>1683430Eh not really, tanks are made to be used and plenty of those will probably be repaired
No.1683435
>>1683434>repairedThey literally have no means to retrieve any of the tanks currently. They abandon them all.
No.1683436
>>1683432Rabbis not gonna get his bubblegum
No.1683441
>Here’s where negotiations on release of captives, Gaza ceasefire stand
US President Biden indicated on Monday that a deal to release captives held by Hamas in Gaza was near, raising hopes for a Qatari-brokered agreement in exchange for a pause in the Israeli bombardment of the besieged Palestinian territory.
“I believe so,” Biden said when asked whether a captive deal was near.
Here are some of the other major developments related to the negotiations.
The White House said late on Monday that talks to secure the release of captives were advancing but nothing has been finalised.
On Monday, Red Cross President Mirjana Spoljaric Egger met with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Doha, before separate talks with Qatari authorities. The Red Cross has previously facilitated the release of a few Israeli captives held by Hamas after the October 7 attack.
Israel’s Channel 12 says the country’s war cabinet discussed on Sunday its willingness to move forward with the hostage negotiations and wants to send a message to Qatar – which has been mediating between Israel and Hamas – that it is ready to reach a deal.
Zaher Jabareen, the head of the Hamas body responsible for prisoners held in Israel, says that a ceasefire must be “fully implemented” for a captive deal to be carried out.
On Sunday, Qatar’s Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim al-Thani, who also serves as the foreign minister, said that a deal to free some of the 240 hostages in return for a temporary ceasefire now hinges on “minor” practical issues.
Israel supporters take part in a demonstration demanding immediate release of children hostages who are being held in Gaza, amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, in Prague, Czech Republic, November 20, 2023. REUTERS/David W Cerny
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>IDF 'storming' Hebron in West Bank - reports
In breaking news, we’re seeing reports that the IDF is “storming” the city of Hebron in the West Bank. The Hamas-affiliated Shehab news agency and Al Jazeera report that IDF forces have stormed the city, with Shehab also reporting arrests. The Guardian has not verified these reports independently.
“Israeli occupation forces storm the city of Hebron in the south of the West Bank and launch a campaign of raids and arrests,” Al Jazeera reports.
The AP has this recent report from the West Bank:
When Israeli warplanes swooped over the Gaza Strip following Hamas militants’ deadly attack on southern Israel, Palestinians say a different kind of war took hold in the occupied West Bank.
Overnight, the territory was closed off. Towns were raided, curfews imposed, teenagers arrested, detainees beaten, and villages stormed by Jewish vigilantes.
With the world’s attention on Gaza and the humanitarian crisis there, the violence of war has also erupted in the West Bank. Israeli settler attacks have surged at an unprecedented rate, according to the United Nations. The escalation has spread fear, deepened despair, and robbed Palestinians of their livelihoods, their homes and, in some cases, their lives.
Before the Hamas assault, 2023 already was the deadliest year for Palestinians in the West Bank in over two decades, with 250 Palestinians killed by Israeli fire, most during military operations.
Over these six weeks of war, Israeli security forces have killed another 206 Palestinians, the Palestinian Health Ministry said, the result of a rise in army raids backed by airstrikes and Palestinian militant attacks.
No.1683442
>>1683430>Isn't losing almost 10% of your entire armour stock within a single 3 weeks offensive pretty bad?Also a bunch of it is reserved and tied up at the north.
No.1683449
>>1683435they'll retrieve them once they've got complete control over gaza
No.1683450
>>1683445GET ANTI-SEMITISM OUT OF MY HEAD
GET OUT OF MY HEAD
GET OUT OF MY HEAD
No.1683452
>>1683442also worth mentioning that most of the IDF's armor is old shit like M-60s and Centurions which are orders of magnitude less survivable than the Merkavas they are now burning through.
you will really notice the difference once their heavy namer APCs get chewed up, which is happening now. their replacements are M113s, which are so flimsy they were often destroyed by anti-personnel mines in vietnam.
No.1683454
We now that Hamas has been preparing for this a long-time. They also expected an Israeli invasion and prepared for it. So how likely is some sort of actual counteroffensive? I this wishful thinking?
No.1683459
>>1683447TBQH I am glad the antideutsches have been reduced to such shitty leaflets. they used to have high quality gloss stuff.
Maybe mossad cut their funding. This is heartening though if it's the best they can muster in 2023 lol.
>>1683454>We now that Hamas has been preparing for this a long-time. They also expected an Israeli invasion and prepared for it. So how likely is some sort of actual counteroffensive? I this wishful thinking?Don't quote me but they probably will try to retain a decent force for the long fight, with measured attacks. Wanting power to strike in the expectation IDF attempts to occupy. Patience seems to very much be a tactic of the resistance.
No.1683460
>>1683454All Hamas wanted to achieve was to derail Israel's attempts at reapproachment with the Arab states, they have achieved their goal easily, now everything else that happens, they don't care about
No.1683461
>>1683430thats a bit old actually, abu ubaida updated it to 160 a while ago and since then the count has grown to well over 200 by my count, per hamas statements. so it's more like 15% or so probably.
No.1683462
>>1683445>value criticism instead of class struggleand they call themselves "left"?
No.1683466
>>1683459>TBQH I am glad the antideutsches have been reduced to such shitty leafletsAntideutsche might have lost influence within radically leftist circles recently but the truth is that the antideutsch sentiment dominates any mainstream political force conventionally left to the so-called center. The situation in Germany is desolate. There aren't even lukewarm demsocs like the congressional squad standing up for Palestine rights comparable to the US. It's a total shit show, don't get it twisted.
No.1683472
>>1683462>and they call themselves "left"?Not anymore at all they are completely single issue with a leftist aesthetic. Stale Hasbara.
>>1683466Oh yea, it's really sad. The German demonstrations seem VERY noticable in that there are no 'white' germans at them, it all looks like turks and arabs. which is a bit fucked.
I hope every anon goes to the demos they can.
No.1683473
>>1683245Casapound went from Hezbollah support to Israel support from what I understand. Wonder if recent events have changed things again.
No.1683476
>>1683411Cat spotted at 1:02
No.1683481
>>1683454>So how likely is some sort of actual counteroffensive?Wont happen, nor should it. Hamas could never win a pitched battle against the IDF. They don't have the firepower to decisively destroy them, and they down have the manpower or materiel to win a war of attrition. They're trying to inflict casualties and preserve their strength so that they can continue the struggle once Israel inevitably occupies the Gaza strip.
>>1683470>it ruined IndiaIndia is ruled by Hindu nationalists though?
No.1683482
>>1683470>Pro Israeli shooterPlease God let him succumb to his MK Ultra fed conditioning in the best way possible, life gets funnier and funnier with each day if stuff like this happens.
No.1683484
What are these retards planning? To strike Hezbollah? To secure Beirut or key northern areas in case of war? Or?
>Western embassies receive ‘suspicious’ arms deliveries in Lebanon: Report
Lebanon has been witnessing a “suspicious security movement,” Al-Akhbar reported on 18 November, as several Western military planes carrying weapons have arrived at Beirut International Airport since the outbreak of the Gaza-Israel war last month.
According to the Lebanese daily, some of these planes have also landed at a decommissioned airstrip in the Hamat military base.
The deliveries reportedly come in the wake of “requests sent by foreign countries to Lebanon to allow the entry of weapons and ammunition, under the pretext of enhancing the security of its embassies and evacuating its nationals and diplomats.”
Aircraft recently landed in Lebanon include US, British, French, and Canadian planes. The report adds that some of these planes came from Israel.
Sources told the newspaper that Lebanon recently rejected a French request to “agree on the entry of a ship carrying about 500 soldiers and approximately 50 vehicles.”
The Lebanese Foreign Ministry also received a request to grant two permits for a Canadian plane and a Belgian plane to arrive at Beirut airport, which was rejected.
However, Al-Akhbar's sources say that “the Canadian plane had already landed at Beirut Airport and was found to be carrying various types of weapons (including silencers and detonators)."
Caretaker Prime Minister Najib Mikati listed these western requests on the agenda of the last cabinet meeting. However, nothing was decided on.
Western and Arab states reportedly sent requests to Lebanese security services expressing “fear that their employees or nationals would be exposed to attacks against the backdrop of what is happening in Gaza.”
Western embassies have not answered any questions about these shipments, the report says, adding that diplomats have referred all questions to military attaches “who coordinate all steps with the Lebanese army and security forces.”
In a statement last week, the Lebanese army command claimed these movements aligned with the routine transport of military aid.
However, Al-Akhbar’s sources say there are “suspicions regarding the aircraft entering and unloading their cargo, as it is not known to whom this equipment is going, and whether the destination is actually limited to the army.”
“What is happening has put the current army commander, Joseph Aoun, under the microscope … and has put question marks about the extent of his cooperation with Westerners nations,” the sources added, highlighting a possible “attack on the principle of sovereignty” in Lebanon.
Aoun has often been accused of having a very close relationship with the US embassy and Ambassador Dorothy Shea.
No.1683494
>>1683485The democrats have been doing really well in special elections tho
No.1683500
>>1683494yea but you see that's a poll for the upcoming
presidential election, which you might be surprised, are different than the recent special elections
No.1683501
>>1683494since the current congress has been sworn in there have been two special elections to the house. both were in extremely safe democratic districts. state house/senate/governor elections haven't been especially promising either.
No.1683502
John Oliver got
slightly deprogrammed with regards to Israel and his audience booed him.
https://nitter.net/KrallIan/status/1726576894253093170 No.1683508
>>1683501I don't know if Virginia was particularly safe for democrats, they had a pretty promising GOP leadership in Youngkin and yet his government was utterly rejected.
>>1683500Polls are unreliable in comparison to actual election results and IIRC it is D+9. Americans' don't give a flying fuck about international politics.
No.1683513
>>1683508the special elections were what you mentioned and both districts where special elections were held had democratic margins around 30%. a seat where you win with 65% of the vote is a safe seat no matter how you spin it.
No.1683515
>>1683470hinduvata psychos are up there with Japanese nationalists for both insanity and inflated self worth.
No.1683518
>>1683430Man, this is copium. Compared to their long-desired ethnic cleansing of Gaza, which they are accomplishing right now, that's an acceptable loss.
No.1683521
>>1683518except everything is falling apart for israel. gaza, the west bank, lebanon, their regional security deals, their supply lines, economy, international standing, UN position, immunity from ICC prosecution. even the US is wavering on their support. got too cocky ziobros.
No.1683524
>>1683521All this is true but he is right that they have more or less largely ethnically cleansed the north of the strip, gaza city with most all civilians now gone south.
No.1683527
>>1683476I put a copy of the Quran on my bed and my cat didn’t walk across it! 😱 😱😱
No.1683532
>>1683524there are still hundreds of thousands in the north and they won't be able to hold onto it and settle it without eliminating 40,000 fighters. it's far from sure that they won't be able to return again.
No.1683535
>>1683524lots of civvies have fled it's true, however not all of them trusted the IDF (for good reasons, those fucking monsters) and are stuck in Gaza City. this isn't a mapfag conflict: it's an insurgency. Hamas has war tunnels to keep all the territorial gains disputed, fuck the IDF's rear guard, and smuggle evidence of atrocities out and it's not at all clear that the IDF can actually dislodge them.
No.1683539
>>1683532>there are still hundreds of thousands in the north and they won't be able to hold onto it and settle it without eliminating 40,000 fighters. it's far from sure that they won't be able to return again.That's true i guess. I really hope resistance forces have the stamina.
>>1683521I bet Hezbollah are rubbing their hands together.
No.1683540
>>1683484That sounds like a recipe for a colonel coup and protests in the capital with signs in english condemning hezbollah followed by a civil war that has a large number of turkish and afgan rebels.
No.1683547
>>1683539>I bet Hezbollah are rubbing their hands together.they leveled a base in occupied lebanon yesterday. we may eventually see an incursion from lebanon and syria to retake the golan heights. the government of lebanon has voiced support for hezbollah and committed their army to repulsing an israeli incursion.
everything is up in the air because even though an arab coalition is forming it might be weeks before they can mobilize and the situation on the ground is extremely dynamic. another factor that the IDF has not been coy about committing war crimes, and if there's a ticking clock it's not exactly beyond them to start cooking nerve gas. middle east eye has been reporting that their sources have named it as an IDF strategy.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-exclusive-israel-will-flood-hamas-tunnels-nerve-gas-under-delta-force-supervision No.1683548
>>1683521Like I said, the spoils more than makes up for the costs.
>>1683532>without eliminating 40,000 fightersYeah, that's the thing: they will eliminate everyone left because unlike, say, the last colonies in French Africa or even apartheid South Africa, Israelis legitimately just want the current inhabitants gone, period. No assimilation or segregation or anything else, just plain gone. The bulk already moved out, so at some point in the near future they will give up their purely facetious care for civilian casualties, declare everyone who's still there officially a terrorist and murder literally everyone left without even bothering to come up with bullshit reasonings.
No.1683550
>>1683540honestly I imagine that they're probably just intending to secure their embassies and interests (remember that lebanon is a former french colony with a lot of interests in lebanon) in the event of a war. they were almost burned down after the al-ahli bombing, if there's direct war they'd be destroyed. I also doubt they could pull off a successful coup, considering that hezbollah has an army stronger than most countries in the region and certainly stronger than a failed government like the lebanese government. To keep a coup government in power they'd need to put troops on the ground in large numbers. A coup would simply lead to a bloody war followed by hezbollah functionally leading the whole country, not just the south. just my two cents.
No.1683553
>>1683547I doubt they'd try to take the golan heights, Hezbollah is more suited for insurgency and defense than offense and capturing ground and syria is barely standing as it is. they might try for the shebaa farms though, if only to try to get the IDF into a disadvantageous position through their response.
No.1683557
>>1683548>Israelis legitimately just want the current inhabitants goneunderstood
>they will eliminate everyone leftyeah, how though? bombs don't clear tunnels or go house to house and if it was so simple to ethnically cleanse gaza city with ground forces they wouldn't be copping so many red triangles.
No.1683558
>>1683550As the article said, france was caught once publicly attempting to move in 500 troops.
>>1683553Apparently the key Israeli negotiation has been about Hezbollah moving back the Radwan units, whose whole purpose is to infiltrate into israel and act autonomously, who also have tunnels into israel.
No.1683560
>>1683548yeah, but the thing is that they have to actually eliminate those 40,000 fighters to win and at the current rate that'd take years and casualties in the tens of thousands along with a total collapse of international support, the economy, and trade as hezbollah, iraqis, the houthis, etc bombard them and their allies. If they want to do that, they will have to be willing to accept casualties on a scale unheard of in their history. and don't act like they aren't targeting civilians now they're trying their hardest to kill civvies but at the end of the day it's hard to realise how many people they would have to kill to do what you're describing. if 200,000 remain in north gaza and the IDF keeps killing at the current rate it would take years to eliminate the population there, and while doing so they would become a total pariah.
No.1683561
>>1683557Nobody said their ambition is achievable. In fact, Israel will gore itself and die trying.
No.1683563
>>1683429>ok why don't any of the thousands of other ships that transit that route every day turn off their transponders then? why just this one? Many do? It's an interesting thing, you can find people in the business who said they'd always switch it off. Like the CNBC article stated, Israel-bound oil tankers have stopped transmitting via AIS to make them harder for the Houthis to shoot at. NATO says to keep them on so their warships can track ships but the U.N. (the IMO is part of that) says it's up to the captain. It also goes without saying that ships trying to bust U.S. sanctions will sail without AIS turned on anyways.
Probably more common now with the war.
I'm not sure it's so dangerous to sail without AIS turned on either. It's some additional safety since AIS is broadcasting everything but these commercial ships have radar as well.
No.1683564
>>1683555Smalls has, to the best of my recollection, been consistently based. This is cool, but not exactly unexpected from him.
No.1683565
>>1683550>intending to secure their embassies and interestsdefinitely not for running spies and creating a justification to invade libya style.
No.1683567
>>1683557they've destroyed something like 70% of civilian infrastructure (apartment buildings, hospitals, houses, etc). that in combination with the fact that they heavily resctrict the amount of food, fuel, medicine, hygienic products, and water that goes into gaza puts pressure on the population to leave to egypt or somewhere else if they don't want to die of disease, hunger, or being blown up. it's a medieval siege.
No.1683570
>>1683558big difference between some guerilla action behind the front lines and actually holding territory long term. the Radwan units would probably carry out bombings, take shots at idf soldiers, etc but would absolutely not be able to capture the golan heights. as for france, again, it's not unheard of for countries to temporarily drop off troops in similar numbers to protect interests, which france has very many of in lebanon (and a lot of influence - Macron had a significant role in the aftermath of the port explosion and trying to curb instability afterwards), and in the event of a war they would certainly be targeted. you remember the videos of the american embassy surrounded by thousands of protestors trying to burn it down a month ago when al-ahli was bombed, imagine what it would be like with a direct war. france is probably just trying to make sure that whatever happens, their investors property doesn't get damaged too much and their embassy comes out unburnt.
No.1683571
>>1683570Yea, i can buy that. Security in case of all out war. Nobody would want to be caught unawares not with all the warning signs and we all know odds are the 'Lebanese Army' would collapse at first mention.
No.1683572
>>1683565again, any attempt to do so would be a humiliating failure. hezbollah has a hundred thousand fighters and equipment on par with western militaries. if they wanted to they could overthrow the central government in a matter of days.
No.1683575
Israeli media and the war cabinet has also signalled a deal today so maybe it will actually happen over the next few days unless the israel generals make another huge provocation like they have every other time.
>Hamas chief says 'we are approaching reaching truce agreement'
Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh has told the Reuters news organisation that Hamas is “approaching reaching truce agreement”, and that the militant group has delivered its response to Qatari officials.
Qatar has been mediating with Hamas as it negotiates with Israel and the United States for the release of Israeli hostages.
No.1683577
>>1683567that's a war crime bro. they gotta cut that shit out if they want to keep their passports and civilian airports.
No.1683582
>>1683578yeah, they have their president go every few years and every year the IDF manages to piss them off by treating the place like their personal stomping grounds in front of the president of france. in the 90s they actually got jacques chirac to tell them off to their faces because of their shit.
No.1683583
>>1683547>we may eventually see an incursion from lebanon and syria to retake the golan heights.Syria tried to retake the Golan in 1973 with 1,400 tanks and couldn't achieve it. It was tough for the Israelis until their reinforcements showed up (because Egypt was slacking off) and then they counter-attacked deeper into Syria and threatened Damascus.
There are peculiar features of the terrain that make it very defensible and is one reason why Israel refuses to give it up. The Israelis can see deep into Syria from strongpoints along the frontier, and their own rear is protected from direct observation, which is a good place to put artillery, and if anyone was to ever break through, they'd have to first fight through these strongpoints – which channel an attacker into kill zones – and then run into a reverse slope. That means an attacker would come over the horizon looking down at pre-prepared guns that can snipe them. Excellent for tanks in hull down positions.
>>1683570Reminds me that French troops stayed in Lebanon for awhile in the 1980s after the U.S. Marines pulled out after their base got blown up. I think the French liked to rub that one in when talking to the Americans. "You ran away, we stayed…"
No.1683585
>>1683557>>1683560>yeah, how though? bombs don't clear tunnels or go house to house and if it was so simple to ethnically cleanse gaza city with ground forces they wouldn't be copping so many red triangles.Bro, I don't think you're grasping that Israelis are operating with a strategic objective which the West hasn't seen since WW2 (I might make an exception about the Balkans in the 90s, but let's face it, IUsrael is more more part of the West than the Balkans ever were). Israel is not interested in fighting in a urban environment, which is indeed all kinds of a nightmare, but just plain murdering everyone there, which is another matter altogether. A complex bellic situation with multiple facets is reduced to an almost purely logistic concern. It's not like they want to preserve the slum-like physical environment either. Fuck, I'll bet some psychopath in the Knesset has already called for just plain bombing and demolishing all the buildings with everyone inside because they're infested hovels unfit for superior jewish occupants or some shit.
No.1683588
>>1683585no matter how much they hate the palestinians that will not wipe them off the map without actions, and those actions are ones that they physically do not have the capability to do.
No.1683589
>>1683585>complex bellic situation with multiple facets is reduced to an almost purely logistic concernyou're kind of assuming that the logistical challenge of moving demo crews and sappers into a free fire zone where any pile of rubble could yell allahu akbar and launch an anti-tank rocket, mortar shells can rain down from any direction, and grenade drones can fly over with impunity is any more trivial than regular urban warfare.
No.1683594
Hamas ‘approaching truce agreement’ with Israel: Report
The Reuters news agency is reporting that Hamas officials are “approaching a truce agreement” with Israel.
Hamas delivered its response to Qatari officials regarding a truce proposal, the leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, said in a statement sent to Reuters by his aide.
There were no further details about the terms of the potential agreement.
No.1683598
>>1683595This is what it looks like when the population gets lost in the sauce. They don't understand that planting your flag all over the rubble that used to be a city makes you look like barbarians.
No.1683599
More of the drip-drip that is harsh and critical of bibi, the current coalition and how the 7th was handeled.
also the guy looks like a silicon valley nerd in a gay uniform lmao.
>Top intel official said to have twice warned PM of security risks posed by overhaul tensions
A top intelligence official twice warned Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu earlier this year that domestic tensions over his government’s judicial overhaul plans were encouraging Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas to potentially take military action against Israel, according to the Haaretz daily.
The newspaper says Brig. Gen. Amit Saar, the head of the IDF’s Military Intelligence Research Department, first appealed to Netanyahu on March 19, a week before the Knesset was due to approve an overhaul bill and the premier fired Defense Minister Yoav Gallant for calling to pause the judicial shakeup in a move that was later reversed.
The second letter was reportedly sent July 16, a week before the Knesset approved the so-called reasonableness bill curtailing the judiciary’s review powers.
“All the players in the [security] system note that Israel is in a serious, unprecedented crisis, which threatens its cohesion and weakens it. For our main enemies — Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas — this weakness is an expression of a linear process ending with Israel’s collapse, and the current situation is an opportunity to accelerate and deepen its troubles,” Saar was quoted as writing in the first letter.
Saar also reportedly warned that the political divisions in Israel were leading Israel “to try to refrain from a security escalation, and allowing the risks against it to grow.”
No.1683603
>>1683587neat. except if you ever flew a drone you'd know that indoor proximity flight requires disabling all of the pilot assist features, that if you lightly clip a prop quadcopters spin wildly out of control, they cost a fortune, they are extremely loud so you're not sneaking up on anyone and launching one will give away your permission, require enormous amounts of training and support to integrate in infantry, and if you sneak up behind one you can easily and safely disable it with a broom or a towel. digital fpv systems also have poor penetration through concrete and cannot penetrate underground, and frequently glitch out or lose connection in complex RF environments.
I would say that that demo is a well produced scam designed to soak up the peacetime budget surpluses of third rate militaries.
No.1683604
>>1683595Yes, they captured some areas. They are still taking massive and unsustainable equipment and manpower losses and are failing to inflict serious losses on the resistance. Doompost all you want about how Gaza will be wiped off the face of the earth along with its residents, but the IDF at the current rate would need well over a decade to eliminate the palestinian population of gaza and will only run into more difficulty the more they go. It's ghoulish, but the IDF literally will not be able to eliminate gazans because they don't have enough bombs and guns to kill them fast enough. At current rates of consumption they and the US will literally run out of bombs before the population of gaza decreases to where it was half a decade ago.
No.1683606
>>1683595do they put those up everytime hamas pops a merkava?
No.1683611
i posted this in /isg/ but also thought it belonged here
https://soundgasm.net/u/ClassWarAndPuppies2/782-Israeli-Vasdeferens-Force-feat-Mark-Ames-111623chapotraphouse interviewed Mark Ames of Radio War Nerd who mentioned how he was a Republican Zionist in his youth. He mentions that one of the things that got him questioning everything was going to Israel and realizing how much it sucks, then getting spied on by the ADL for being an anti-apartheid activist in the 80s, even though he was a Jewish Republican and not particularly radical in any regard.
No.1683612
>>1683598Someone post the video of an IDF soldier in a ruined school, flexing on Palestinians.
No.1683619
>>1683603>I would say that that demo is a well produced scam designed to soak up the peacetime budget surpluses of third rate militaries.Hey guys great news my company just got a 10 billion dollar order from the pentagon for 10,000 of these little guys
No.1683620
>>1683615I just noticed that the posters above the blackboard are about what water is safe to drink. IDF are fucking disgusting bro.
No.1683623
>>1683619>Hey guys great news my company just got a 10 billion dollar order from the pentagon for 10,000 of these little guys…You work for Elbit?
No.1683624
>>1683595Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that
it is an evil
thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear
is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.
No.1683627
>>1683563this ship was not transiting the gulf of aden, was not israel bound or israel based and was not travelling in a dangerous area, rather it was inside visual range of the Saudi fleet. there is no reason why you'd turn off the transponder where they did. they were over a day from yemen!
No.1683631
>>1683615How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done: thou art a swift dromedary traversing her ways;
As the thief is ashamed when he is found, so is the house of Israel ashamed; they, their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets,
Wherefore will ye plead with me? ye all have transgressed against me, saith the LORD.
In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.
O generation, see ye the word of the LORD. Have I been a wilderness unto Israel? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee?
Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these.
Yet thou sayest, Because I am innocent, surely his anger shall turn from me. Behold, I will plead with thee, because thou sayest, I have not sinned.
Why gaddest thou about so much to change thy way? thou also shalt be ashamed of Egypt, as thou wast ashamed of Assyria.
Yea, thou shalt go forth from him, and thine hands upon thine head: for the LORD hath rejected thy confidences, and thou shalt not prosper in them.
No.1683632
>>1683603>>1683619like not even joking though, the effective range of that drone if you fly it into a concrete structure is within the range of a garden variety AK. hitting max range requires high relative elevation from the ground station and line of sight. you could potentially use a claymore drone if you're looking up a hillside but in urban conflict you're more likely to kill yourself trying to launch it than actually hit an insurgent.
but it's not just the hard limits of RF, the diminutive size raises further questions: how fast/far does it actually go with that camerapod/claymore on top because the disc loading would be nuts: you'd either have to drive the motors to the top of their RPMs to move it at a reasonable speed or limit it to ridiculously low speeds to have a battery life longer than a couple of minutes. driving the motors/props that hard would make it extremely unstable because the higher in the throttle you put the hover point the less control authority the flight computer has to correct with.
No.1683637
>>1683588>and those actions are ones that they physically do not have the capability to do.Bro, they physically have long had the capacity. They have the population of undesirables cooped up in a huge open-air slum. It's non-physical factors which stop them, the international presence in Gaza and "humanitarian concers of the international community" and the internal political mobilization to carry it out etc.
>>1683589We're not talking about a large expanse of territory where troops can live off the land, new recruits and armaments can be smuggled inside and such. It's a very cramped slum with very limited resources and the border is fully under Israel's control. Like I said, a logistical concern. If you're telling me "well Israel would have to pay a hefty price, it won't be a cakewalk", well no shit Sherlock, the point is precisely that they can pay it and that's what I have been saying.
No.1683641
Israeli media reporting ‘green light’ given for deal to pause Gaza fighting: AJ correspondent
Israeli media is reporting that a deal is in the works and essentially Israel has given the green light for a deal that would see the exchange of women and children who are held inside the Gaza Strip for a five-day pause in the fighting.
Additionally, as per Hamas’s request, we would see women and minors being held in Israeli prisons released.
I’ll remind you that Israel is one of the only countries in the world that keeps children in its prisons and tries them in military courts.
It is worth noting that none of this is really confirmed just yet.
Israeli officials haven’t confirmed this and the policy of the war cabinet has been to not disclose anything until decisions are final. But Israeli media is reporting that the government has given the green light for this deal.
No.1683643
>>1683588Wiping out the Palestinians is a goal essential to the existence of the state of Israel, and there will never be a better time for it than right now. Unless some major intervention happens very soon Gaza is done for.
No.1683644
>>1683641>Additionally, as per Hamas’s request, we would see women and minors being held in Israeli prisons released.It will be interesting to see how many. They were floating only 100 a few days ago. Will be interesting to see if the guest workers are released too as that's been claimed to the thai reps iirc..
No.1683645
yemen is right across the water from somalia. allah must have determined that turning them into pirates was necessary for the meme
No.1683647
>>1683637>yeah it's that easy bro. just kill an entire generation of IDF teens, put a permanent target on our backs, have all our civilians fly back to the west, lose all our foreign capital investment, and open hostilities with ALL of the regional powersI don't think they can really afford it. how much cum are they paying you bro?
No.1683648
>>1683636Gonna need to listen to MGS4's Love Theme to cleanse my palate.
No.1683650
>>1683646This game had in it Joan Baez singing that famous song about Sacco and Vanzetti, which was pretty cool.
No.1683651
>>1683637>They have the population of undesirables cooped up in a huge open-air slum.>It's non-physical factors which stop themYou're a complete and utter imbecile.
No.1683656
>>1683637anon, they have openly been trying to exterminate the population of gaza for a month and a half while bombing it more every week than afghanistan was in a year and destroying every hospital in the strip and this massive campaign has "only" killed 13,000 people. That's about one in 200 gazans. Since the war began, over 5000 children have been born going by birthrates. Israel very literally does not have the capability to kill them all because if they keep up their current strategy not only would it take years to make a long-term impact on Gaza's population, they would literally run out of bombs to drop. They are suffering enormous equipment losses and will likely not be able to defeat hamas in the insurgency even if they win the invasion. There is a massive difference in required ability between making gaza an poverty-stricken slum and actively committing a genocide. As for "they can pay it", no, they can't. They've lost hundreds of vehicles (of which they only have about 1600 total, about half of which are in the north) and soldiers and they don't even control half of gaza city yet despite having been fighting there for weeks now.
No.1683661
Two sources familiar with the truce talks have told AFP a tentative deal includes a five-day truce, comprised of a ceasefire on the ground and limits to Israeli air operations over southern Gaza.
In return, between 50 and 100 prisoners held by Hamas and Islamic Jihad – a separate Palestinian militant group – would be released.
They would include Israeli civilians and captives of other nationalities, but no military personnel.
Under the proposed deal, some 300 Palestinians would be released from Israeli jails, among them women and children.
The White House said the negotiations were in the “endgame” stage, but refused to give further details, saying it could jeopardise a successful outcome.
No.1683666
>>1683663No i've been reading The 51 Day War and The Hundred Years War on palestine.
What's it about?
No.1683684
>>1683647>just kill an entire generation of IDF teens>have all our civilians fly back to the westthey are baying for blood
>lose all our foreign capital investmentare you high
>and open hostilities with ALL of the regional powersno foreign power will do a thing. hezbollah
might start shit, and said shit is nowhere even close to an existential threat to Israel. like I said, the cost is worth it to israeli fahoids in power
>>1683651nod an argubend :DDDD
>>1683656letting aside the fact that 0.5% of the population dead in a single month despite the entire fucking world watching on isn't exactly small potatoes, murdering everyone in the entire strip is not the goal. pushing them out of the north area, grabbing that lebensraum, pushing them towards Egypt and out of gaza itself and generally making the place impossible to live in so as to force an international diaspora is all part of ethnica cleansing
No.1683695
>>1683370Seriously? Linux?
No.1683696
>>1683684>they are baying for bloodtel aviv is in open revolt, the knesset can't stop the trickle of leaks about them blowing their own civvies up, bashing their own civilians in protests, funding hamas to prevent a diplomatic solution. the civvies aren't even close to supporting this and Netanyahu is looking pretty desperate. how much cum are they paying you?
No.1683707
>>1683684Egypt has no desire to accept refugees - they're decidedly enemies with Hamas on account of the latter's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, and the instability resulting from the refugees would cause major instability. They have stated that any attempt at expulsion would mean war. All this is to pretend that the world is watching uninterested. If a second Nakba were to occur, Israel would find itself in major difficulties due to the actions of regional players - Ansarallah has the ability to shut off the Suez canal effectively, damaging the economies of virtually every single country in the world and giving them the choice of either stopping Israel or invasing Yemen. Hezbollah has some 150 thousand missiles in stockpile and would be capable of leveling Tel Aviv should things go that far. Even many of Israel's foreign backers would abandon them if they took such a move - already several European countries are on the verge of sanctioning Israel and America is being forced by public pressure to make moves (currently mainly symbolic) withdrawing support for Israel. As for pushing the palestinians out of the north, to do so they would have to defeat Hamas first, something they seem completely incapable of doing within any sort of reasonable timespan. They have expelled hundreds of thousands to the south, but hundreds of thousands more remain and will likely not be interested in leaving now that the IDF has been openly killing those who do head south. They would also have to face serious international repercussions as a result of this, and not the kind that can be hand-waved away as thoughts and prayers. As for making the strip unlivable, once the war is over recovery will be difficult, but there are countries and organizations out there who will help rebuild. For instance, Turkey has promised to rebuild whatever the Israelis destroy, though how much of that is rhetoric has yet to be seen, and several other countries have pledged significant sums of money to the rebuilding process.
As for 0.5% of the population's significance; that is very significant. but if we are going to speak bluntly, in 10 years the population of the strip in all likelihood be near-identical to what it would have been otherwise. Gaza has a population growth rate of ~2.3%. When Israel invaded in 2008, 15 years ago, there were about 1.5 million living there; today there are about 2.35 million. It would take a much larger death toll, as horrifying as the current one is, to actually make a serious dent in the population of the strip. Nearly every country around the world has said that Israel expelling Gaza's population is unacceptable (including the US), and they do not have the capacity to commit a genocide, considering that their current attempts are not working at that. Given those two possibilities shut off, the only other outcome is that the palestinians stay in Gaza (even the Israeli government has accepted this, regardless of what Ben-Gvir posts on twitter), and the only question is what their government will be.
No.1683708
>>1683707Sorry for the wall of text and sorry if it's a bit confused since I didn't go back and edit it before posting.
No.1683715
>>1683704oh based. I remember seeing that when it went viral a while ago. how did this cunt think he was going to spend his time hanging out with nazis on twitter while calling for a genocide and keep his role as a genetics professor at a university? dumb fucker wasn't even tenured.
actually no, he's just lying to the media after deleting his twitter account and still has his staff directory listing and work email.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StLouis/comments/17xos00/wash_u_professor_seth_crosby_still_employedafter/I think sending clarification emails to Washington University St Louis about whether the view that Palestinians are not human is the opinon of their entire science faculty or just Crosby might help to bring a true resolution to the matter.
No.1683736
>>1683445OMG IM CRITIQUING VALUUUUEEEE
No.1683744
Details of truce will be revealed in coming hours: Hamas officialIzzat al-Rishq has told Al Jazeera that details of a truce agreement will be revealed in the coming hours.
The Hamas official said that negotiations are ongoing over:
>The number of days for a potential temporary ceasefire<Arrangements for entry of aid into Gaza>A swap deal for captives held in Gaza in return for Palestinian prisonersKeeping Gaza online: Telecom heroes risk life and limb under Israel’s bombsThe 750 staff at the Palestine Telecommunications Company (Paltel) in Gaza are risking life and limb to keep communication networks up and running amid Israel’s aerial bombings and ground assault on the war-torn Palestinian enclave.
Keeping Gaza connected to the outside world has come at a high cost.
At least five Paltel staff members in Gaza have been killed in Israeli attacks while many other staff members have lost family members, including wives and children, due to the continuing war.
Read the full report on Gaza’s telecom heroes here. [
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/21/keeping-gaza-online-gazas-telecom-heroes-risk-life-and-limb-under-israels-bombs]
No.1683749
Hezbollah claims Metulla attack
The Lebanese group has claimed responsibility for an attack that targeted a house used by Israeli soldiers in Metulla in northern Israel.
Hezbollah said the strike was in retaliation for Israel’s targeting of houses in border villages in southern Lebanon.
In recent days, Hezbollah has increased the number of attacks against Israeli military positions along the border, averaging about 10 a day.
No.1683756
>>1683696Googling about this, all I find besides some unrelated event with Eritrean immigrants in September i this:
>Netanyahu scrambles to quell revolt by far right over Gaza fuelIn other words, it's the people who bay for blood who are protesting. Googling for "protests" instead of "revolt" isn't more encouraging, they all seem to be about releasing hostages to to end this damn genocide.
>>1683707>>1683708It's not about murdering literally everyone. Like we said about the northern area which they are depopulating. Everyone is told to vacate and is pushed with bombs and gunshots and other totes-accidental murders. Hundreds of thousands move out (that's ethnic cleansing without genocide), and the thousands or tens of thousands which remain are well within what the "international community" will allow Israel to claim as 100% baby-raping terrorists who all deserved to die. The hundreds of thousands who moved out will further make the situation elsewhere even more unbearable for the people there, thus triggering more mass exodus. Rinse and repeat. And you know as well as I do that Israel could literally push these masses of people over the Egyptian border, seal it off and party on their newly-conquered lebensraum, and Egyptian authorities wouldn't lift a finger to stop them. They don't want these refugee camps, but they won't alienate their fellow American beneficiary in the Middle East. Just increase "foreign aid" to Egypt to pay for these new squalid refugee camps and it's done.
No.1683769
>>1683764Well they're God's chosen people and God sends rain, thus rainwater belongs to jews. Like duh.
No.1683771
>>1683756I think you underestimate how much Egypt does not want the refugees. They refused an offer to forgive all debt in exchange for taking them (significant as they are currently drowning in debt) and declared that it would be an act of war to take in the refugees. Egypt does not want anyone from gaza to come; they have been known to shoot anyone trying to cross the border fence illegally. The palestinians are probably not going to cross the border without some major event occurring to change their view.
As for expelling the palestinians from the north, there are still literally hundreds of thousands there, and if Israel tried to kill all of them, it would be difficult for any country to continue support for israel in the face of public opposition, currently already having significant effects.
It's also worth noting that they won't be able to get any settlers in without defeating the resistance fighters and insurgency, which by their performance seems as if it would take years even if they never gave up.
As for the protests, there's a significant anti-war element to them, considering that the bombs falling on Gaza are also falling on the hostages. It may be a selfish reason to oppose the war but the fact remains that the war is losing popularity by the day.
No.1683778
>Not only having a ton of women fighting but Israel also has a ton of autistic soldiers. They have an entire unit dedicated to keep an eye on satellite images made by autistic intelligence officers. It's amazing.
I need to stop browsing liberal social media, dawg. The arteries in my brain are popping one after the other.
No.1683780
>>1683764Israel has a right to defend itself from (checks list) Palestinian farms and water collectors?
No.1683781
>>1683780When a Palestinian has a full belly, an Israeli cries. Literally another Shoah.
No.1683789
this shit's so heartbreaking, who would've known we'd witness a holocaust within our own lifetimes?
Isreali cum extraction squads, ridiculously fake propaganda deserving of only the most ironic of a chapo trap house episode strewen over a backdrop of abject, serious, murder of humans, babies, victims of apartheid, it's fucking cursed
No.1683791
>>1683789>Who would've known we'd witness a holocaust within our own lifetimesWho's going to tell him that this isn't the first modern genocide.
No.1683797
>>1683791Darfur? I 'ardly know'er!
No.1683806
>>1683789>Isreali cum extraction squads, ridiculously fake propaganda deserving of only the most ironic of a chapo trap house episode strewen over a backdrop of abject, serious, murder of humans, babies, victims of apartheid, it's fucking cursedModern Genocides are always funny in retrospect because it is done by humans with their usual human stupidity operating an industrial-capitalist death machine that is fundamentally anti human.
No.1683811
Presence of Israeli aircraft a sticking point in dealIsraeli media are quoting officials saying that a deal between Israeli officials and Hamas is imminent.
However, one sticking point from the Israeli side is that they’re saying a Hamas leader indicated they didn’t want any form of Israeli aircraft to be in the sky during that pause, not just in terms of air strikes but also surveillance.
From what we can read between the lines, it’s problematic for Israel because this could potentially cause problems for them, especially with ground troops there.
They’re also saying there’s a potential agreement to release 50 of those captives and the rest of up to 100 would be released over time in exchange for an extension of that ceasefire.
Truce can be expected within hours: AnalystAbdelhamid Siyam, a professor at Rutgers University, says the expected deal between Hamas and Israel could be announced in the “next 12 hours” from Doha.
“I believe the last few points that need to be agreed upon is the length of the pause, the volume of humanitarian aid that needs to come into Gaza, especially fuel … and the number of hostages released,” he told Al Jazeera.
Siyam said the pause is likely to be between three and five days.
“The Palestinians are insisting on five days … they want to give the people real breathing space,” he added.
Israeli army surrounds JabaliaThe Israeli military says it has completed the encirclement of Jabalia in Gaza and is ready for the next phase.
In a statement, the military said it carried out attacks on 250 Hamas targets in the past day, including three tunnel shafts in the Jabalia area and killed dozens of Palestinian fighters.
As we’ve been reporting, Israeli attacks on residential areas and around hospitals are increasing, resulting in the killing of dozens of Palestinians.
Analysis: How Israel could gain from a pause in the Gaza warEven a country that boasts of its preparedness for war needs to maintain substantial reserves of weapons and ammunition.
Hence for Israel, pausing the war could be advantageous from a military point of view. However, on the political front, a halt in fighting may not be a desired outcome.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his hawks have been staunchly against any pause. If they accept it now, the public will see it as their weakness, no matter how they try to justify bowing to international pressure.
You can read more of our analysis on how the pause will impact the Israeli army and its political establishment here.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/21/analysis-how-israel-could-gain-from-a-pause-in-the-gaza-war]
No.1683813
>>1683778Honestly, just take a break for your own sake, lad. By the sounds of it, you need it.
No.1683815
Analysis: How Israel could gain from a pause in the Gaza war
A break in hostilities could benefit Israel militarily, even though it could hurt Prime Minister Netanyahu politically.
Claims and denials of a potential ceasefire in Gaza continue. Some reports refer to a three-day pause in fighting, while others extend the truce to a full five days. Still, others claim the ceasefire could begin imminently. And so on.
Even statements from the horse’s mouth differ. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu denied the report published by The Washington Post on Saturday that a tentative deal had been reached; a United States representative confirmed that talks were continuing but that a breakthrough was still awaited.
On Sunday, Qatar’s Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani announced in Doha that the differences remaining between Hamas and Israel were “very minor”. Qatar has been central to mediation efforts in the war, including for the release of Israeli captives.
The last to be heard on the subject was Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh who on Tuesday told Reuters news agency that the parties are “close to reaching a truce agreement”. Another Hamas official told Al Jazeera that negotiations were centred on the duration of the truce, details of aid delivery to Gaza and the exchange of hostages and prisoners.
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. With most parties involved looking to temporarily halt the carnage in Gaza, one must hope for the small step to a temporary respite.
It is also prudent to examine why the two warring sides are considering such a hiatus.
While such a pause would benefit Hamas politically, militarily there seems to be no obvious gain — as I’ll explain on Wednesday.
For Israel, on the other hand, pausing the war could be advantageous from a military point of view and disadvantageous from a political one.
The Israeli war machine has been going at full strength for six weeks in the air and three weeks on the ground in Gaza. Since the Hamas attacks, Israel’s aerial bombardment has continued at a surprisingly high rate.
It was clear from day one that the primary purpose of such merciless pounding of Palestinian civilian targets was not military. Initially, many analysts believed that the intense aerial attacks served to demonstrate to the Israeli populace that the armed forces were doing something and that bombing would be eased once land forces moved in.
Even a country that boasts of its preparedness for war needs to maintain substantial reserves of weapons and ammunition.
Omar Bradley, a US Army general during World War II, once said “amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics”. Israeli forward commanders may be eager to continue pounding Gaza come what may, but the rear echelon has done the maths and does not like the result. There are reliable reports escaping the net of military secrecy that the Israeli Air Force (IAF) is running out of smart bombs.
It is always difficult to judge the credibility of allegations in military matters. Sometimes an officer who is disillusioned with his side — especially when it is fighting outside its borders or inflicting heavy civilian losses — will anonymously leak crucial details.
Several specialised online forums claim that the IAF, having expended more than 2,500 joint direct attack munition (JDAM) smart bomb kits over Gaza, has just 10 days of stocks remaining.
Every military regulates how much ammunition must remain in reserve for emergencies. Exact figures are a guarded secret, but everything points to Israel’s quartermasters having sounded alarms, asking for urgent replenishment.
Specialised military items can be bought to fill gaps. In 1973, when Israel was on the verge of running out of stocks fighting Syria, Egypt and their Arab allies, the US launched “Operation Nickel Grass”, the biggest military airlift in history. The US Air Force flew almost 1,000 tonnes of weapons and ammunition to Israel per day, for a total of more than 22,000 tonnes.
That is being repeated now, albeit on a smaller scale. For the past two weeks, US C-17 transports have been landing regularly at Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv and at Nevatim airbase in the Negev desert.
Most aircraft fly in from the Ramstein airbase in Germany, where the US has warehouses full of “prepositioned stock” — equipment set aside for military emergencies.
There is little doubt that heavier and less urgent supplies are being shipped to Israel by sea. Among them will surely be replenishment rockets for the tracked version of the high mobility artillery rocket systems (HIMARS), the M270 multiple-launch rocket system (MLRS) that saw heavy use in Gaza.
In October, the US released its own missiles for the Iron Dome air defence system to Israel. Israel’s response to initial heavy Hamas rocket attacks and attacks from Hezbollah and the Houthis had depleted Israel’s stocks to such an alarming level that it requested all of the Tamir interceptor missiles that the US had bought and kept in Israel until deployment.
The Israeli forces would also welcome a break in fighting to evaluate its tactics so far in light of its performance against Hamas tunnels. As many analysts have warned — me included — despite dogs, robots, ground-penetrating radars, and other technology, the tunnels can be destroyed only once soldiers get inside. That is a bloody task, as was proven last week when four commandos were killed by an improvised explosive device after opening a tunnel cover.
A few days ago, an unidentified Israeli officer briefing reporters embedded with the Israeli forces admitted, “We don’t want to go down there. We know that they left us a lot of side bombs.” London-based weekly The Jewish Chronicle reported on November 16 that standing orders were clear: “No one is allowed to go into a tunnel.”
The Israeli forces must also look into the effectiveness of their allegedly sophisticated and specialised training in simulators of Gaza City. Some of the simulation assumptions based on 2009 and 2014 incursions into Gaza have proven not applicable in 2023. It will also have to analyse why so many Merkava tanks, believed almost invincible, were incapacitated. Reliable reports indicate up to 30 have been destroyed or are too damaged to use.
While the military would welcome three or five days of respite — but would likely not admit it — politicians would clearly see it as their loss.
Netanyahu and his hawks have been staunchly against any pause so if they accept it now, the public will see it as their weakness, no matter how they try to justify bowing to international pressure. The fact that US President Joe Biden, notionally Israel’s closest ally, has put his weight behind securing a break must be rubbing salt into the Israeli PM’s wounds.
If the agreed period without fighting is observed, which is always a big risk, Israeli politicians will face new pressure at its end; the world might ask, “If it was a success, why don’t you just extend it?”
Netanyahu’s greatest nightmare would be to get to a point where he not only failed to destroy Hamas but de facto recognised it by negotiating, even if indirectly. Deprived of Gaza, fuming Israelis would certainly go for his political skin instead.
No.1683861
>>1683290So Israel is good at doing venture capital tech startup scams. That's the very opposite of "valuable", lmao.
No.1683864
>>1683695something about harboring many of its software engineers in Israel, I was going to put Firefox in its place.
No.1683946
>>1683872>dude just saying shit into the mic and pausing with no music>people recording it on their phone because its so good they just have to watch it again later>"gaza youre uyghur">guy in the crowd just starts flipping people off>10 seconds of silence>"gaza…">10 more seconds of silence as he tries to come up with a different insult>"…ur trash…">crowd goes wild>people start clapping>starts repeating the same insults but now screamingthat video broke me
No.1683956
hey guys, youre great as usual
does anybody still have that hamas tunnel song where they cruise in toyotas through the strip? Literal banger, wanna put it on my mp3 player :P
No.1683976
>>1683971Yea, it's wild. Ironically exactly the post 9/11 racialized fervour that Germany has seemingly held to tighter and more dogmatically than even the americans.
Also… i know i shouldn't, but…
she literally looks like a man lol.>>1683973This inbred looking fuck looks like he is 120. who cares.
No.1683978
>>1683947but does she condemn Azov?
No.1683982
>IDF channels more inactive than usual
>palestinian factions' telegram channels also more inactive
>no updates from mapfags for the past 5 days
Boooooring.
No.1683984
I condemn Hamas for not killing more Israelis. Shame on you Hamas!
No.1683987
More Givatifags dead.
Keep getting shot by Hamas.. HQ got blown up by Hezbollah. Get rekt.
>The Israeli army on Tuesday announced that two more soldiers were killed and five others wounded seriously in ground battles in northern Gaza.In a statement, the Israeli army identified the two soldiers as Arnon Moshe, 26, and Ilya Senkin, 20, from its elite Givati Brigade.
It added that five soldiers seriously wounded in battles across Gaza were taken to hospital.
According to the Times of Israel news website, the number of Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza ground offensive since Oct. 27 reached 68.
>>1683982We're seeing the hostage deal go through almost, maybe.
No.1683989
>>1683988
>How do ziggoids cope with the fact that the IDF is like a third Russian and that Israeli Jews are staunch ziggoids?
Russians tend to vote right. There is a good argument that Russian migration to Israeli during and after the fall of the USSR is a big part of it's current political schizophrenia.
No.1683993
>>1683989Russian or Israeli political schizophrenia?
No.1683995
I've seen Ziouyghurs now claim that the Spanish government is funding the PFLP and all this anti-Israel stuff is being pushed by teh left O:
No.1683996
>>1683988
>ethnically russian/russian surname = supports russia
nice fucking racism retard, if someone said this about americans or jews you’d have your panties in a twist
nice to see that westerners don’t even pretend to not hate russians anymore
No.1683997
>>1683993>Russian or Israeli political schizophrenia?Israeli. Russian-Speaking 'jews' literally turn up, refuse to learn or teach their kids hebrew and vote for Likud or the Russian language Jabotinskyist parties.
No.1683999
>>1683996its not even a russian surname its a polish one
No.1684001
interesting story for the multipolaristas:
>A revolt by leaders of the global south against US support for Israel’s bombardment of Gaza is brewing as Arab diplomats met their counterparts in China and Moscow, while South Africa’s president Cyril Ramaphosa convened a virtual meeting of the leaders of the Brics countries to condemn Israel.
The Biden administration has been repeatedly warned, including by its own diplomats, that it risks serious loss of support among global south nations that accuse the US of displaying double standards by condemning Russian war crimes in Ukraine, yet remaining largely silent over Israel’s actions in Gaza.
The Brics group consists of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, and new Brics entrants whose full membership commences next year, including Saudi Arabia, Argentina, Ethiopia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates, were also invited. South Africa has already cut off diplomatic ties with Israel.
The Arab diplomats have been on a tour of capitals of permanent members of the UN security council to gather support for a further UN security council resolution instructing Israel to stop preventing humanitarian aid reaching Gaza. It may also ask for the security council to upgrade the call made on Israel to implement a humanitarian pause to an instruction. Israel immediately rejected a UN security council last week to introduce humanitarian pauses.
The delegation started their tour in China before heading to Russia on Tuesday in a sign that the Arab countries now realise they will have to demonstrate to the US president Joe Biden he cannot take an Arab-US alliance for granted if he continues to provide such strong support to Israel.
It is also expected that some members of the delegation will visit France and the UK. The Qatar prime minister Mohammed bin Abdulraham bin Jassim Al Thani had announced he is due to visit Moscow and London this week.
An Egyptian foreign ministry spokesperson said the diplomats had “drafted a new resolution to be submitted to the security council by the Arab and Islamic groups; to deal with existing obstacles and imbalances of humanitarian aid entry to Gaza.
No.1684034
>>1684001>The delegation started their tour in China before heading to Russia on Tuesday in a sign that the Arab countries now realise they will have to demonstrate to the US president Joe Biden he cannot take an Arab-US alliance for grantedMultipolarity in a nutshell. When there are alternative Great Power patrons for small third world countries, the US is inherently more vulnerable. Were this 2007 there wouldn't be dick these countries could do to pressure the US, now they have leverage, and there may be serious consequences for a continuation of the current American policy on Israel.
No.1684071
>>1683947>silencing dissent against genocide>framing themselves as the good guys while doing itthey've learned nothing from WWII, germany was a mistake
No.1684072
>>1684034>Multipolarity in a nutshell. When there are alternative Great Power patrons for small third world countries, the US is inherently more vulnerable. Were this 2007 there wouldn't be dick these countries could do to pressure the US, now they have leverage, and there may be serious consequences for a continuation of the current American policy on Israel.Yea, it's certainly an interesting development but we will have to see how pressure is applied and how far it will be taken.
It's another reason to be hopeful at least.
No.1684075
>>1684034with any luck when america finally wars against china they will stand alone
No.1684100
>>1683968Yes. It says: "SARA ROY HAMAS AND CIVIL SOCIETY IN GAZA" in all capslock, then continues: "Engaging the Islamist Social Sector".
Need anything else readed to you?
No.1684106
where are the Palestinian maoists?
No.1684119
Why does China remain so tepid in their criticism of Israel? They want to keep doing business with Israel when the situation calms down? The global south is with Palestine, so wouldn't this be a good opportunity for them to show some leadership?
No.1684134
>>1684119They want to keep trading with both Israel and the US. This is the price of integrating yourself into the world capitalist-imperialist system. It can make you rich and powerful but introduces a powerful impetus to not rock the boat too much. China is like a counterculture boomer than joined SDS and hung out with Black Panthers in their youth but became a generic lib as soon as they got a comfy middle class job and a suburban house.
No.1684138
>>1684119Because the Chinese leadership is a whore that opens her legs to the highest bidder. Seeing that Palestine has barely anything to offer them, they all can go get fucked.
No.1684142
>>1684119they're trading partners
No.1684183
>>1684180 (me)
The buildings that the IDF soldiers were heading to were quickly booby-trapped beforehand. The survivors were later mopped-up.
Some very smooth communication between recons units and the rest.
No.1684200
>>1684180>that hand with the camera at the endbruh, priorities
No.1684217
Kind of insane that they are literally hosting the Islamic delegation to discuss a ceasefire and nobody mentions that but you get 3 posters in a row calling them whores.
No.1684219
>>1684217Discussing a ceasefire is meaningless if they have no way to compel the US to comply, which they don't. Not unless they have the cajones to seriously start breaking with the US, i.e. stop buying weapons from them, expel US troops, end security and intelligence cooperation, etc. China's position on these has been substantially more tame than plenty of much weaker countries like Bolivia and South Africa who have cut diplomatic ties. If they were serious about Palestinian liberation they would be arming them through Iran.
No.1684220
>>1684183>The buildings that the IDF soldiers were heading to were quickly booby-trapped beforehand. The survivors were later mopped-up.IDF is still claiming to have complete control over the north only with a little cleaning up.
lmfao.
No.1684221
>>1684220Imagine trusting the IDF published mappies.
No.1684225
>>1684222
It is if you're discussing it with people who have very little ability to compel any of the relevant parties to act. Why is this better than unapologetically taking the Palestinian side and supporting them in their struggle directly? How is it that Bolivia and South Africa are more willing to stand up to the US and Israel than China?
No.1684228
Oh no. the americans are backing out further. Israelies are never going to do all this nerd shit before they kill. they just wanna kill.
>US: No support for Israeli army operations in south Gaza without civilian protection plan
National Security Council Spokesman John Kirby says that the US will not back further Israeli military action in southern Gaza unless there is “a clearly articulated plan for how they’re going to protect the lives of the hundreds of thousands of people that have now added to the population – because they were asked to leave by the Israelis. There’s an obligation there for them to factor that into their planning.”
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going status: not well
>Israeli military spokesman stresses ‘long war’ ahead
Daniel Hagari, speaking to reporters, said the Israeli military was putting as much pressure as possible on Hamas and working “as quick as possible” to achieve the release of captives.
Still, he offered few details on how the military viewed a possible release deal, which could reportedly see a five-day pause in fighting.
“There are many stages. It’s a very long war. To achieve these goals the way is very long, but we have to keep to it,” he said.
“The goal now is to bring back the hostages,” he said. “And we are evaluating what’s going to happen ahead”.
No.1684231
>>1684226but i was told only the seeseepee does this shaking my dick head
No.1684236
>>1684220People have already pointed out the problem with mapfagging in this kind of war. It isn't like Russia-Ukraine.
No.1684237
The Israel-Hamas war in maps: latest updates -
https://on.ft.com/3Fap7Kx via @FT
Financial Times have a pretty good article with recent graphs and visuals on the Genocide and Resistance of Palestinians.
No.1684238
>>1684228>Israeli military spokesman stresses ‘long war’ aheadAnother month, and this will have lasted longer and resulted in more casualties for Israel than every single previous war combined. A month after that, that will include the insurgency phases, as well. :^)
No.1684253
90 percent of Palestinians say coexistence with Israel is ‘impossible’: Poll
A survey by the Ramallah-based Arab World for Research and Development has found that 98 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip will not “forgive nor forget” Israel’s onslaught on the besieged coastal enclave.
The poll also found that:
<65 percent perceived the war as targeting all Palestinians, while only 18 percent said it as a war between Israel and Hamas.
>75 percent supported to some extent the October 7 attacks by Hamas on Israel.
<Only 22 percent expected a return of the Palestinian Authority (PA) to Gaza in the war’s aftermath.
>68 percent said their support for a two-state solution to the conflict has declined.
No.1684257
>>1683411Are those RPG shots enough to take out a tank?
No.1684260
>>1684257Depends on where they hit, but potentially. Iirc Iraqi fighters armed with the same rockets took out a few Abrams.
No.1684261
>>1684257I think the point is to mainly immobilize the tank and make the turret no longer capable of swiveling rather than to kill the guy inside. A lot of modern tanks can defend the personnel from older missile tech but what's important is to force the enemy to repair the tank or abandon it because then the soldiers are vulnerable.
No.1684272
>>1684253So 10 percent are delusional?
No.1684274
Sadly, I stumbled across various (liberal and SocDem)atheist channels yesterday they were huge israeli shill right now especially Ex-Muslim despite shitting on Chistianity, Judaism, and Hinduism just weeks prior LMAO.
No.1684279
>>1684253Approval ratings:
Hamas: 76%
Fatah: 23.2%
PA: 10.3%
Israel: 0.4%
Hezbollah: 45.1%
PIJ: 84.2%
AAMB: 79.8%
Al Qassam: 88.6%
US: 0.4%
Iran: 32.6%
UK: 1%
Turkey: 33.9%
Egypt: 14%
Jordan: 12.1%
KSA: 2.9%
UAE: 2.5%
EU: 4.7%
UN: 9.1%
Red Cross: 27.3%
Russia: 39.5%
China: 34.4%
Arabic media: 48.4%
Western media: 9%
No.1684283
Support for:
"A one state solution for two peoples": 5.4%
"A two state solution for two peoples": 17.2%
"A Palestinian state from the river to the sea": 74.7%
No.1684284
>>1684279Is the PFLP completely irrelevant now?
No.1684289
>>1684283>"A Palestinian state from the river to the sea": 74.7%Lol. talk about shaping the answer.
No.1684292
Expectations:
Peace agreement between Palestinian resistance and Israel: 32.1%
Gaza returns to the control of the Palestinian Authority (Under the presidency of Abu Mazen): 17.9%
Victory achieves the liberation of Gaza from the Israeli invasion: 75.3%
Israeli prisons are whitening from Palestinian prisoners: 79.4%
Israeli victory (broader blockade of Gaza, escalation of settlement activity in the West Bank, and further restrictions on the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Christian holy sites): 16.5%
Returning to the way things were before the war: 32.8%
The war remains ongoing until the end of one of the parties: 23.8%
No.1684293
>>1684284They have been for decades.
No.1684295
In light of the demonstrations in support of the Palestinians, do you feel hopeful about the future of humanity?
Yes: 78.2%
No: 20.5%
DK: 1.3%
No.1684301
The US and Western countries expressed a clear support for Israel in its confrontation with Palestinian resistance. Why do you think they did so?
As a sympathy with Israeli civilians: 70.4%
Due to the influence of the Israeli lobby inside these countries: 91.5%
Due to their hate of Muslims and Islam: 89.5%
Due to their hate of Arabs: 85.5%
As a deterrent against Iran and Hezbollah and their fear of escalation against Israel: 77.3%
Due to their political and economic interests in the region: 96.3%
No.1684305
>>1683636>1:25>red star on the helicopterwut
No.1684306
>>1684302The doc is full of errors like that, or "#ries" instead of countries. Not sure exactly but it's probably something to do with the release of prisoners.
No.1684312
>>1684305IDF doesn't operate any Mi-8's, either.
No.1684314
>>1684279>AAMBIs that referring to Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades or the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades?
No.1684316
>>1684212>as much as challenge the view of the CPC as a pure and incorruptible force against western imperialism>Sinophobia! Sinophobia!Stolen straight out of the ADL playbook.
No.1684317
lmao
>IDF intercepts own unmanned aerial vehicles over Galilee amid technical malfunction
The Israel Defense Forces says it intercepted one of its own unmanned aerial vehicles over the Lower Galilee, after it was identified as having a technical malfunction.
“The launch [of the interceptor missile] was carried out in a controlled manner and there is no fear of a security incident,” the IDF says.
The incident set off sirens in Bu’eine Nujeidat, a local council west of Tiberias.
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>Israeli cabinet meeting ongoing: Israeli media
The third, and final, meeting to approve the captive/truce deal is currently being held, involving the whole of the 38-member Israeli cabinet.
Israel’s Channel 12 has reported that no votes were held in earlier meetings, involving the smaller war and security cabinets, with ministers being asked to wait until the full meeting was held.
The deal is expected to be approved, despite far-right oppositon. Channel 12 added that ministers from the Haredi religious party, United Torah Judaism, have been told by the party’s spiritual leaders to approve the deal.
Meanwhile, the Israeli daily Haaretz reported that Netanyahu told the cabinet that the agreement with Hamas includes Red Cross visits and supplies of medicine to captives who have not yet been released.
No.1684318
What Is your main source of information on the ongoing events in Palestine:
Local TV: 23.2%
-Al Aqsa TV: 15.5%
-Al Awdeh TV: 0.6%
-Al Fajer Al Jaded TV: 3.2%
-Dunia Al Want TV: 1.3%
-Palestine TV: 54.8%
-Palestine today TV: 7.1%
-Palestine live TV: 0.6%
-Nablus TV: 1.3%
-Ma'an news TV: 15.5%
Arabic TV: 67.1%
-Al Hadath TV: 0.4%
-Al Arabia TV: 2.2%
-Al Gahad TV: 0.2%
-Al Manar TV: 0.4%
-Al Jazeera TV: 92.4%
-Al Mayadeen TV: 4.2%
International TV: 2.7%
-BBC: 38.9%
-CBC: 5.6%
-CBN: 11.1%
-CNN: 38.9%
-RT: 5.6%
Social Media: 85.8%
-Facebook: 30.9%
-Instagram: 10.3%
-Telegram: 48.3%
-Tiktok: 0.5%
-Twitter: 1%
-Whatsapp: 8.9%
Family and friends: 69.2%
Other: 18.1%
>>1684314Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade.
No.1684319
>>1683764Read the bible. God gave the rain to the jews. Yahweh is a storm god.
No.1684323
What would you like as a preferred government after the war is finished in Gaza Strip?
A government controlled by Hamas: 13.6%
[17.9 WB 7.6 GS]
A government controlled by the Palestinian authority: 8.4%
[2.8 WB 16.2 GS]
A national unity government: 72.2%
[74.9 WB 68.2 GS]
Other: 2.2
[1.3 WB 3.6 GS]
DK: 3.1%
[2.6 WB 4 GS]
No.1684324
>>1684119>>1684225China is obsessed with the UN. They want there to be a consensus and a 2 state solution preferably with the world lining up against the US. China says the 67 borders are reasonable and both sides are at fault. Principally they don't believe in population transfer or punishing either side or recognizing any historical claims or recent changes on the ground that aren't UN backed they just want to stop the fighting so they can finish the BRI.
Also the resolution they are going for with the Saudis has a provision for circumventing the US security council veto for the use of force to implement UN demands on Israel.
No.1684326
On this day of the war, how much do you support a ceasefire that includes a mutual cessation of hostilities?
WB: 92.4% Y 5.3% N
GS: 87.4% Y 11.5% N
No.1684327
The South African government on Monday called on the International Criminal Court to issue an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by mid-December.
Minister in the Presidency Khumbudzo Ntshavheni said it would signal a "total failure" of global governance if the ICC does not do so.
Alongside four other countries, South Africa last week submitted a referral to the ICC to investigate whether war crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed in Gaza.
https://www.africanews.com/2023/11/21/south-africa-calls-on-icc-to-arrest-netanyahu/ No.1684330
[Gaza only]
To date: Has your residence been demolished as a result of this current war? [14 Nov]
Completely: 20.6%
Partially: 26.7%
No: 52.7%
To date: Has any immediate family member (grandparent, father, mother, brother, sister, son, daughter, grandson, granddaughter) of yours been martyred? [14 Nov]
Yes: 13.4%
Have you been displaced as a result of the current war?
Yes: 50.5%
If you are displaced, from which governorate did you come?
North Gaza: 23.6%
Gaza: 39.3%
Khan Younis: 19.3%
Deir Al-Balah: 3.6%
Rafah: 14.3%
No.1684338
Death toll in Gaza surpasses 14,000
The government in Gaza has released updated casualty numbers:
>More than 14,128 Palestinians have been killed since October 7, including at least 5,600 children and 3,550 women.
<At least 33,000 have been injured.
>More than 6,800 people are missing, either trapped under rubble or dead and not yet identified.
<About 44,000 residential units have been destroyed and 230,000 damaged, meaning that 60 percent of Gaza’s housing is unlivable.
>Twenty-six hospitals and 55 medical centres are out of service.
No.1684348
>>1684338Only 2.3 million to go.
No.1684362
>>1684354It's funny the reason Muslims hate Jews in their scripture is for killing Jesus and calling Mary a lying whore
https://quran.com/4:155/tafsirs/en-tafisr-ibn-kathirThe Evil Accusation the Jews Uttered Against Maryam and Their Claim that They Killed `Isa
Allah said,
وَبِكُفْرِهِمْ وَقَوْلِهِمْ عَلَى مَرْيَمَ بُهْتَـناً عَظِيماً
(And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam a grave false charge.) `Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas stated that the Jews accused Maryam of fornication.This is also the saying of As-Suddi, Juwaybir, Muhammad bin Ishaq and several others. This meaning is also apparent in the Ayah, as the Jews accused Maryam and her son of grave accusations: They accused her of fornication and claimed that `Isa was an illegitimate son. Some of them even claimed that she was menstruating while fornicating. May Allah's continued curse be upon them until the Day of Resurrection. The Jews also said,
No.1684363
>>1684354Even the Arabic Christians have had it with Israel that they are going to Hezbollah to launch missiles with their prayers.
No.1684364
>>1684354how long until they fire one for Jesus Christ-Chan Sonichu Prime?
No.1684369
>>1684338Crazy how the 200 hostages and 1200 dead Israelis have all eyes on them, all the coverage, that one German girl alone got all the attention, they have slogans and marches asking for their return, have links where you can donate to their families, have white women doing yoga in their names, have Hindu praying day and night for them, all the coverage, but the 7000 Palistenian prisoners and the 14.000 dead children? Yeah who cares do you condemn hamas?
No.1684370
>>1684354That was kinda based ngl
No.1684371
>>1684363Then why did the Christian Lebanese phalange ally with Israel during the 80s? What changed after all this time?
No.1684373
>>1684354Do you think they would write a communist slogan on one?
No.1684376
>>1684363>Even the Arabic ChristiansBruh the Christians have always been part of resistance movement..
No.1684378
>>1684354is this a recent strike or is this some older clip?
No.1684379
>>1684369<literal million people marches in solidarity with Palestine>they have 'all the coverage' look, remember that random israeli literally who woman you kept spaming to get us to care about on the 8th and 9thfuck off. go back. etc. etc.
cunt.
No.1684380
>>1684354Yo can we crowdfund a rocket from leftypol?
What would we use as a slogan?
No.1684383
>>1684363You know George Habash was a Christian, right? Christians in the region hate Israel as much as muslims
No.1684386
>>1684380can't find it now but I have a pic of some chinese weebs donating btc to hamas and asking them to print out a picture of their waifu and slap it on a missile.
No.1684393
>>1684386Who was the waifu?
I swear i'd pay Hamas my entire fucking puny wage if it meant a rocket with ganyu on it would destroy a cuck merkava
No.1684399
>>1684386So, you're saying Madoka Missile Madness is a possibility?
No.1684403
>>1684380>alunya rocketfollowed by
>grace rocket No.1684418
Is that a no on the cease fire?
>Reports of ‘ongoing artillery shelling’ of Indonesian Hospital: AJ correspondent
Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud, reporting from Khan Younis, says there are reports of “constant and ongoing artillery shelling” of the Indonesian hospital in Gaza’s north.
The reports also say that medical staff “have been targeted and killed” in the latest attacks.
No.1684422
The least dead cock obsessed Israeli minister said pic related today. It's an interesting reference. King David in the bible does indeed do this in the book of Samuel (1 Samuel 18:20-29). He then gives the removed foreskins to King Saul as a dowry for his daughter's hand in marriage.
>20 Now Saul’s daughter Michal was in love with David, and when they told Saul about it, he was pleased. >21 “I will give her to him,” he thought, “so that she may be a snare to him and so that the hand of the Philistines may be against him.” So Saul said to David, “Now you have a second opportunity to become my son-in-law.”>22 Then Saul ordered his attendants: “Speak to David privately and say, ‘Look, the king likes you, and his attendants all love you; now become his son-in-law.’”>23 They repeated these words to David. But David said, “Do you think it is a small matter to become the king’s son-in-law? I’m only a poor man and little known.”>24 When Saul’s servants told him what David had said, >25 Saul replied, “Say to David, ‘The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.’” Saul’s plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines.>26 When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king’s son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, >27 David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.>28 When Saul realized that the Lord was with David and that his daughter Michal loved David, >29 Saul became still more afraid of him, and he remained his enemy the rest of his days.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%2018%3A20-29&version=NIV.
Keep in mind that "Palestine" and "Phillistine" share etymology, and that the "Phillistines" David was killing were people who inhabited the the Levant during the bronze age. Modern Palestinians aren't descended from the Phillistines, but it is telling that an Israeli official would directly reference this event in the old testament as a dog whistle for today's genocide.
Biblical texts identify five Philistine cities:
Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Ekron, and Gath. That's all you need to know.
No.1684425
>>1684418deal isn't sealed yet.
No.1684428
>>1684316>out of nowhere shitting on china which was never really involved and just recently got enough power to be able to influence things at all, and already did some major work like brokering peace between iran and saudi arabia>n-no we're not sinophobic you're just like the israeli accusing everyone of being antisemiticfuck off moron
No.1684431
>>1684426>say/retweet actually anti-semitic conspiracy theories<ban "decolonization"zionism is so awesome
No.1684433
>>1684422>one hundred and eighty-sevenwhere are the other 13 foreskins?
No.1684435
>>1684422Muslims are also circumcised like Jews lol. Not sure if he knows it but he's targeting Palestinian Christians specifically here (not many of which are part of Hamas but at this point they just use it as a euphemism for "Palestinian").
No.1684441
From AJ arabic, machine translated:
https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2023/11/21/%d8%ae%d8%a8%d9%8a%d8%b1-%d8%b9%d8%b3%d9%83%d8%b1%d9%8a-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%82%d8%b3%d8%a7%d9%85-%d8%af%d9%85%d8%b1%d8%aa-80-%d9%85%d9%86-%d8%a2%d9%84%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d9%81%d8%b1%d9%82%d8%a9Occupation forces
Regarding the invading occupation forces, the military expert said that Tel Aviv mobilized 5 military divisions for the Gaza battle, which means 45% of the combat capacity of the occupation army, compared to 25% for the northern front with Lebanon, while 30% remains, of which 10% is allocated to the West Bank and the rest is a strategic reserve.
It is estimated that there are 3 Israeli divisions in Gaza, with each division having 350 combat vehicles, which means the presence of between 1,000 and 1,100 various vehicles, including tanks and troop carriers, reinforced by the Givati, Golani, and paratroopers brigades.
He pointed out that Al-Qassam announced the complete or partial destruction of 290 Israeli vehicles, meaning that the occupation lost 80% of the equipment of one of the three military divisions and it was out of service.
Regarding the implications of the Lebanese Hezbollah attack on one of the occupation army barracks in the north, Al-Duwairi believes that the party wanted to convey a message that it is immersed in fighting by using the Burkan missile, which has a strong effect
No.1684450
>>1684270ofc he is, I havent seen a single smart marxist guy not being multipolarista
No.1684453
>>1684450Agent Kochinski?
No.1684462
>>1684270nothing about that video implies that he is a multipolautista
No.1684468
>>1684354Important to note that in Catholicism, Mary is the Queen of Victory and credited with victory on the battlefield. I think other Apostolic sects of Christianity also adhere to this. God willing she brings the sword down on Israel.
>>1684362I can't remember what text it's in, but in early Church history anti semitism caught on in France when a converted Jew claimed that, I think it was either the Torah or the Tanakh, claimed Mary was raped by a legionnaire and that Jesus was the resulting offspring that stupefied people with demonic magic. An Inquisition was held and the argument from several rabbis was that the "Jesus" in their scripture was a completely different person from the Christian one, only forming a superficial similarity. "Not everyone named Louis is the King of France" was their argument.
Now I don't know if that's true or not, but it seems like the accusation made the rounds long enough for Islam to pick up on it.
No.1684470
>>1684434Now which enterprising Jew is going to set up a scooter rental service that's going to be needed?
>Why not an Arab?While that would be much funnier, I would genuinely be concerned for that individual's safety.
No.1684492
>>1684422>>1684435It's most likely ignorance, since they think of circumcision as specifically a Jewish thing. But since they use "Hamas" to refer to any Palestinians, it's worth noting here that Muslims circumcise later in life than Jews do, so if they're going looking for Muslim foreskins to harvest as trophies, they'd be specifically targeting young children.
No.1684497
>>1684492>muslims circumcise later in life than Jews doThey're circumcised right after they're born (sunni family here)
No.1684498
>>1684497It varies from culture to culture, but on average it's later than that.
No.1684502
>>1684500Love how israelis say "
kkkckccchhhamas"
No.1684532
>>1684529thats not multipolarism jackass hes just predicting a decline of western imperialism
No.1684534
>>1684532thats what multipolarism is, see
>>1684344 No.1684535
>>1684500how much autism score does he has
No.1684541
>>1684532What is "multipolarism" according to you, then?
No.1684550
>>1684543The only painful thing I remember is the unwrapping of the cock. What pain did you experience?
No.1684553
>>1684543He should have chopped your dick off just to be safe.
No.1684563
>>1684386otaku pride lol revenge for IDF taking out the only anime retailer in Gaza
No.1684572
>>1684540and still mfs be like "it's not colonialism"
No.1684576
>>1684428It wasn't "out if nowhere". Somebody brought up China's summit with Arab countries and they were criticized for not being sufficiently anti-Israel, not doing enough to support the Palestinians, and having a more lukewarm response to Israeli crimes than much smaller and weaker countries. You mfs are like Zionists because literally all criticism of China, even that from an anti-imperialist perspective and relevant to the conversation, is "sinophobic."
No.1684580
>>1684576This is wrong since the Arab summit was brought up in response to the out of nowhere “criticism” of China which said they were doing nothing at all because they are greedy whores.
No.1684582
>>1684543Western doctors see a normal genitals and immediately want to do surgery.
No.1684585
>>1684580Wait, in fact, Sabocat it was YOU or another sabocat (but probably you) who started with the out of nowhere attack on the PRC
>>1684119>>1684134 No.1684589
>>1684580>>1684585It isn't "out of nowhere" to bring up China's response to the Israel in a thread about Israel. The responses of numerous other countries have been brought up ITT as well.
No.1684590
>>1684572Which motherfuckers? Nobody here. Certainly.
No.1684593
The media is clearly suppressing the Islamic summit (people say Arab but Indonesia was there b/c it’s the largest Muslim population) which gives this impression that there is nothing. It’s just being quashed by western newspapers doesn’t mean it’s insignificant.
SA is also fully aligned with Palestine and indicating that “BRICS” is as well. Hence India accelerating its separation from the group.
No.1684594
>>1684383Habash, Leila Khaled, Hawatmeh, Sana'a Mehaidli etc. all Christians. That being said, there are Christians in the Middle East, especially among Lebanese Maronites, who are pro-Israeli.
No.1684595
>>1684589Yeah and it’s pretty strange to just totally ignore all the world leaders gathering in China explicitly about Palestine that was literally happen as that post was being made. Then a bunch of people jump in and start bashing China for not being involved seemingly oblivious to current events but acting on autopilot.
No.1684597
Outside of Palestine, any alliance between Muslims and Christians is unreliable and bound to fail (at least when it comes to the Middle East).
No.1684598
>>1684434I believe that rightiods are obsessed with K/D ratios. Which is why I think that way more nazis died than the west said happened in ww2.
No.1684601
>>1684595It isn't being ignored, it's been addressed. The summit is a lukewarm move that falls far short of a decisively pro-Palestinian position. Calling for a ceasefire and a two state solution is the bare minimum that even plenty of Western libs (not to mention every pro-US comprador in the Middle East) have no issue expressing support for. Even if this summit makes progress to a ceasefire that will simply restore the status quo, ie the slow motion strangulation of the Palestinian nation. Meanwhile China continues to maintain diplomatic and trade ties with the apartheid regime and offers no meaningful support to the Palestinian resistance. You mfs hold up China as the hope of the global south and anti-imperialism, and yet when it has the opportunity to take a decisive stand against colonialism it can't even manage that.
No.1684605
>>1684600Zionist PR is so fucking bad.
>Woe is me, look at how much I'm huwting awww. If you care for the deaths of Palestinian children, you're directly hurting ME. No.1684606
what does leftypol think of suicide bombings? is it a legit strategy?
No.1684607
>>1684605I mean isn't that post pro-Palestine
No.1684608
>>1684601it's not China's responsibility. it's not like they're operating intelligence and logistics for genocide like the US, France, Germany, or Britain. Just because China has eked out some self-determination it's not their role to be a host nation for every anticolonial project. case in point: they have a degree of wealth that they've used to reduce poverty in China, but it's dependent on not getting sanctioned until they have built up enough partnerships to keep their industrial economy running. After they challenged the IMF and world bank with belt and road, offering the same thing with much better terms NATO and the west have been mad skitterish and are threatening to buy the industrial core of India to boot China back out of the world economy.
No.1684610
>>1684605They're anti-Zionist though? In any case, they're still infected with idpol wormbrains.
No.1684611
>>1684543having a moment of silence in memory of your dick bro.
No.1684613
>>1684608>it's not China's responsibilityLmao then why are you mfs always claiming that China will defeat US imperialism? Why are you claiming that they will help the global south escape neo-colonialism? Deng beetles constantly trumpet China as the hope for the oppressed people of the world, but the moment somebody asks why they aren't taking the side of the oppressed suddenly its "not their responsibility." This isn't even getting into the issue of the internationalist duty of all communists.
>they've used to reduce poverty in China, but it's dependent on not getting sanctioned until they have built up enough partnerships to keep their industrial economy runningSo in other words you agree with my statement here
>>1684134 that China has gained their wealth by tying themselves into the capitalist-imperialist system, rendering themselves incapable of actually confronting it.
No.1684615
>>1684600Kinda shocking I haven't lost any friends yet due to my politics through the last 5-7 years. Lawd knows my views have changed
No.1684617
>>1684615i dont have any friends to loose
No.1684619
>>1684601>china should start shit over palestine despite being completely unrelated to the conflict and gaining a lot from pushing back the confrontation against the US>china is the hope of the global south because it involve itself in regional crisis and take sides in them/fund proxy warsI expected better from you. China pretty neutral foreign policy is also a long standing one.
And it's also giving results (in the case of iran saud). Lets see what happens. If the arab countries suddenly decide its time to challenge the US interests during the china reunion, I demand a cum tribute from you onto a Xi picture.
No.1684622
>>1684354>>1684380If one of you cunts somehow gets this done (inshallah by doing it yourself), just put "The Red Banner rises over Palestina, love /leftypol/". Easy does it.
No.1684623
>>1684606its pretty dumb strategically. People are valuable, especially ones so committed they are ready to die for the cause
No.1684625
>>1684380I didn't think we would ever get an opportunity to one-up the Wolff shoutout, but this would be the ultimate testament.
>>1684386>can't find it now Find it now.
No.1684626
>>1684623Alunya's Martyrs Brigades
No.1684629
>>1684624Oh no no no, absolutely draw a crude Alunya flipping off the zionists underneath. It's obligatory at this point!
No.1684630
>>1684606It made more sense in the 70's and 80's. Nowadays, you can achieve the same results without involving suicide, i.e. missiles.
No.1684632
>>1684543Sorry anon, the Americans will pay for their crimes
No.1684633
>>1684601They aren't just "calling" for a two state solution they are taking concrete steps to force one into existence against the will of west by enabling third parties to be independent of dollar hegemony. Yes the process is slow.
No.1684634
>>1684633And when, not if, the West says "no"? What then?
No.1684636
>>1684613>why are you mfs always claiming that China will defeat US imperialismbecause of material reasons, destroying the basis for the US imperial domination over the world by developing the periphery and offering trade and financial alternatives circumventing sanctions. Not because they support oppressed nations for moralist reasons.
No.1684637
>>1684619kek and yet the soviets started shit with the americans all the time. maybe because they actually cared about spreading communism and werent just larpers
No.1684640
>>1684639
Bruh
No.1684643
>>1684640You know it's true, just ask the Greek and Italian Communists
No.1684645
I don't get people who schill for the Soviets. Go read Brezhnev. He's as inspiring as a limp dick. Sovietism is socialism with erectile dysfunction. The Soviet Union was a shithole and a failure. Cuba is the best Marxist-Leninist country and China was better too. If you were a girl or a cute transhumanist who you rather sleep with? Che or brainworm Brehznev?
No.1684648
>>1684364Now, I'm not saying I think it's
good that we exploit the struggles of the third world for dank memes, but these are the cards we've been given.
No.1684651
>>1684639
soviet were a major force for the decolonization though and gave weapons and funds to revolutionary movements in the third world
No.1684653
>>1684601So what exactly do you expect them to do, really? March the PLA into Palestine? How is some landlocked country on the other side of the world cutting off their non-existent diplomatic and economic ties substantial but using multinational diplomatic pressure to force and end to the war "lukewarm"?
No.1684656
>>1684634they wont have a choice if they dont have the economic might to back it up. the history of israel is anglos running a protection racket on the suez canal against the rest of the world. 48 56 67 73. every one of them was about oil gold standard fiat money bullshit. the second it becomes more expensive then its worth its over
No.1684659
>>1684601If the Chinese formally endorse Palestine, demand a binational state or even a Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 borders, the Palestinian cause will get caught up in America's inane "second cold war" fantasy and they'll just block any movement on Palestine because of their paranoid hatred of the Chinese. They will associate any gain for Palestinians with the Chinese and support Israel even more blindly than they do now.
No.1684662
>>1684656There is actually some chance Gaza could end up being the U.S.’s Suez crisis moment, when the UK, France and Israel had to give up an invasion aimed at retaking control over the Suez canal after political pressure from the US, the Soviet Union, and the UN. It effectively highlighted and confirmed the UK and France’s declining status among great powers.
Similarly the international community could come to the conclusion that the U.S.’s unconditional backing of Israel is simply too destructive and cannot stand anymore, putting so much political pressure they’d be forced to back down.
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1722129276030603425Marine shipping accounts for 80% of the world's trade in goods, and a full 12% of ships pass through the Suez Canal.
The southern end of the Suez is accessed via the Red Sea, which in turn is accessed via the Bab-el-Maneb, a constriction less than 30 km across at its narrowest.
Galaxy Leader is partially-owned by Israeli billionaire Rami Abraham Ungar.
Ungar has a long history of quid pro quo with the former chief of Israel's external intelligence agency, Yossi Cohen.
Ungar also sits on the Board for the INSS, Israel’s most influential think tank, and is well connected to current Minister of Defence, Yoav Gallant. Needless to say, Ungar is a very powerful and well-connected person within Israel.
Back in April, delegates from the KSA and Oman visited Sana’a and recognized the National Salvation Government, a coalition government led by AnsarAllah, as the de facto government of Yemen.
Firstly, as a deterrent to future Israel-connected ships from using the Suez, driving up the cost.
And secondly, it forces the US to now make a decision: Respond to this ship capture, or continue pretending as if Oct 7th hasn’t yet escalated into a wider war.
The US may try to petition the KSA to exert diplomatic pressure on Yemen.
However, as the US loses the ability to exert hegemonic control over the region, Saudis no longer see them as a reliable long-term partners and are unlikely to grant this favor
On the contrary, today the Saudi FM announced their intent to begin building a broad coalition on Monday, with the first stop being China. The purpose of this coalition appears anti-hegemonic to force a ceasefire asap and begin the process of bringing stability to the region.
Back in August, Yemen’s Deputy FM announced that any US forces approaching Yemen’s territorial waters could trigger the beginning of “the longest and most costly battle in human history”. Based on Yemeni actions since Oct 7th, there’s little reason to think they're bluffing.
https://twitter.com/bidetmarxman/status/1726521845216952751 No.1684666
>>1684653how about arming palestinians, imposing sanctions on israel, and all the other basic shit the soviets did with a hundred other groups? It's ridiculous how when all the arab states got together to talk to each other and said basically what china is saying now (but with more harsh language) everyone here said they were useless and when china calls those same people over to say the same thing you dengoids all chant in unison that china is actually the greatest force for palestinian liberation despite barely lifting a finger to give any material aid to palestine.
No.1684667
>still arguing about china.
jfc. get a grip.
No.1684674
Israeli gov’t approves deal on Gaza truce, release of captives
Al Jazeera’s Hamdah Salhut, reporting from occupied East Jerusalem, said the deal includes the release of some 50 captives in exchange for a number of days in which there will be a ceasefire in Gaza.
“Additionally, a number of Palestinian prisoners who will be released from Israeli jails,” Salhut said.
“We do not have the final deal on the table just yet. It has not been released to the public or the media but the Israeli prime minister’s office [is] confirming that the government has voted to approve this deal.”
No.1684676
Israel-Hamas truce deal: What are the next steps?
The Israeli government has approved a Qatari-mediated deal for a pause in fighting with Hamas.
Now that the truce has been agreed, we can expect the process to unfold in several stages which means that an immediate end to Israeli bombing of Gaza is unlikely.
An official communication is now expected to be sent to Qatar informing of the Israeli cabinet’s vote in favour of the truce agreement. That will then be followed by an official announcement in Qatar of the deal.
That announcement starts the clock ticking on a 24-hour period during which any Israeli opposed to the truce agreement can lodge an appeal against the decision with Israel’s High Court.
During this period, neither captives in Gaza nor Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails will be released.
After this period of appeal has passed, it is likely that the first exchange of captives and prisoners will take place on either Thursday or Friday.
Some 50 Israeli captives – women and children – are then likely to be then freed over a period of five days. At the same time, some 140 Palestinian prisoners – also women and children – are expected to be freed over several days.
Israeli media has quoted political sources in Israel as saying that during the truce, Palestinians in Gaza displaced by the fighting will be unable to return to the northern part of the war-torn enclave.
No.1684681
>Deal includes 'around 300 aid trucks per day' to enter Gaza from Egypt
Axios reports that the deal also includes an agreement by Israel to allow “around 300 aid trucks per day to enter Gaza from Egypt” as well as additional fuel.
>The deal cannot be enacted until Thursday to allow time for Israeli judges to review potential legal challenges to the release of prisoners, the New York Times reports, citing Israeli officials.
The government has said in a WhatsApp message announcing the deal:
“The Israeli government is committed to the return of all abductees home,” and:
Tonight, the government approved the outline for the first stage of achieving this goal, according to which at least 50 abductees — women and children — will be released for 4 days, during which there will be a lull in the fighting. The release of every 10 additional abductees will result in an additional day of respite.”
No.1684682
>>1684613>>1684636this
>China has gained their wealth by tying themselves into the capitalist-imperialist system, rendering themselves incapable of actually confronting it.Why would they confront the capitalist-imperialist system on your terms at the least advantageous moment, with no certainty of success or even avoiding greater calamity? China certainly has a decent amount of defensive and offensive capability, but expecting them to play world police the same way the Americans have is fucking stupid, and even counterproductive. The end of Pax Americana could easily be peaceful, and peace stands it's best chance if American hegemony becomes opt out, as opposed to torn down with force.
I refuse to advocate China starting WW3. It's a goddamn juvenile idea.
No.1684685
>>1684672if only leftypol could sustain this
No.1684691
>>1684672It would be cool if they actually did it.
No.1684693
>>1684672my body is ready for an anime skinned hamas rocket. my one regret is not being in israel to be clensed by it and returned to the ether, and I must settle for dying from laughter. god speed.
No.1684695
>>1684693just sign up for the suicide operation and blow yourself up while wearing a kigurumi, preferably at some nerd store selling funkopops and other cancerous products.
No.1684697
>>1684393diana from a-soul, a vtuber
i dont think that count as a waifu, they kinda did it for memes
No.1684699
>>1684666we all mourn the soviet union, but china never was the soviet union and never had a similar foreign policy to them.
arab states are actually involved, always talked big, their population support palestinians, they have direct interest in opposing israel and usa control of the region.
And I cant blame hezbollah, syria and iran, who are already doing the most and are the most vulnerable. I do blame egypt qatar and the saudi though.
The proposition of "arming palestinians" is pretty stupid, they already have all the weapons that can be used through iran/hez, its not like israel would give them the luxury of creating a standing army. It would also be a major escalation, basically starting a proxy war with the US.
They definitely could sanction them, but that would be in opposition of their long standing policy of not using trade as a weapon like the west which is also why they managed to become such an alternative to the west. They only do that if you recognize taiwan, else such things must go through UN (which is in accordance to international law).
>>1684681well looks like taking hostages was actually a pretty good idea in the end !
wonder how the the west press will spin the fact that israel already had women and children to trade. prolly will just gloss over it.
No.1684700
heh
No.1684702
>>1684699>well looks like taking hostages was actually a pretty good idea in the end !kek.
my large concern is whatever comes after the delay. Israel isn't going to pull out after 50 days and lick it's wounds this time. maybe this will be the start of proper occupation.
No.1684704
Hamas releases more details on Gaza truce agreement
The Palestinian group confirmed that the temporary ceasefire from both sides would last four days.
In a statement shared on Telegram, Hamas said this means that during this period:
>Israel will stop military actions in all areas of the Gaza Strip, including movement of military vehicles
<Hundreds of humanitarian aid trucks, including medical and fuel supplies, will be allowed into Gaza
>Drones in southern Gaza will stop for four days; They will stop in the North for six hours per day, between 10am-4pm local time
<During the truce period, Israel “is committed not to attack or arrest anyone in all areas of the Gaza Strip”
>Freedom of movement will be guaranteed along Salah al-Deen Street
No.1684708
>>1684702inb4 they break the ceasefire/pause within 24 hours
No.1684721
>>1684708>inb4 they break the ceasefire/pause within 24 hoursyea i'm kinda fully expecting this too
No.1684724
>>1684721I think they may actually have some to gain from a ceasefire - there was a piece in AJ the other day about it. Apparently they're almost out of bombs and could use the ceasefire to replenish their stocks, while getting their troops in Gaza back in order and reevaluating strategies.
No.1684725
>>1684724yeah but good luck getting the bloodthirsty IDF soldiers to stop taking pot shots at children
No.1684726
Would actually be funny if Hamas invaded Israel again and killed 1200 people during this ceasefire.
No.1684730
>>1684726In a 'laughing at a funeral' way.
No.1684737
>>1684724>>1684725Yea, this, it only takes one of these freaks to start shelling or enticing a retaliation:
>Far-right Israeli politicians ‘fierce’ in opposition to Gaza truce deal: CorrespondentAl Jazeera correspondent Hamdah Salhut, reporting from occupied East Jerusalem, said there was fierce opposition from sections of Israel’s far-right parties to the truce deal.
The Religious Zionism party headed by finance minister Bezalel Smotrich, and the Jewish Power (Otzma Yehudit) party led by the country’s national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, were reportedly the most vocal in opposition, according to Salhut.
Israeli media reported that Benny Gantz, a member of the country’s war cabinet, called for unity around the deal, saying that it was the right deal for Israel at this moment, Salhut reports.
That call may have worked in that just three of the 38 members of the Israeli cabinet voted against the truce deal. All three were ministers from the Jewish Power party.
No.1684738
>>1684662>Similarly the international community could come to the conclusion that the U.S.’s unconditional backing of Israel is simply too destructive and cannot stand anymore, putting so much political pressure they’d be forced to back down.The U.S. launched a currency attack on the British pound that threatened to bankrupt the U.K., it wasn't just political pressure.
<Based on Yemeni actions since Oct 7th, there’s little reason to think they're bluffing.Realistically, I don't think anyone gives a fuck about the ship unless you're a member of the crew (or their family back home in the Philippines, India, Ukraine, etc. depending on their ransom pay getting back home). If you want a depressing read on how fucked these guys could be, look up the poor Syrian guy who got stuck alone on the MV Aman for four years when the ship owner abandoned him in Egypt.
On top of that, the ship was in ballast – there was no cargo on board. That means the Japanese charter company that rented her out probably has few fucks to give either. The owners who are partially Israeli are going to be annoyed because they can't just cash out the hull & machinery insurance but they probably have loss of hire coverage so… oh yeah, the Israeli guy is fine but the crew's fucked. Someone should do something about the crew.
No.1684740
>>1684731>Source material for the courses includes antisemitic and anti-Israel misrepresentations – from ethnic cleansing to framing Jews as colonizers in our ancestral home to the exclusion of the history of Jewish refugees from Arab states – that are defamatory toward Judaism and the Jewish people.t. Jewish Federation Orange County
No.1684743
>>1684738It's not just one ship. Now all ships at all linked to israel will need to go around the cape or risk being boarded. that could have serious economic consequences for some.
No.1684744
>>1684743>It's not just one ship. Now all ships at all linked to israel will need to go around the cape or risk being boarded. that could have serious economic consequences for some.more costs on the pile os good. Apparently Israel is currently selling dollars by th billions to keep their economy afloat.
No.1684745
>>1684699good post. the mindset that the only thing that will stop an empire with nukes is another empire with nukes is retarded. if the UN actually enforced international law and blocked unilateral action the world would be a much better place.
No.1684748
>>1684743They have insurance. They don't care that much. Ships were getting hijacked off Somalia for years and it wasn't until the manning and crewing agencies and unions started putting pressure that warships started showing up. It'll make insurance rates go up but the insurance companies make absolute bank off of pirates even with the payouts.
Anyways, I'm sure pirating a hired-out empty ship in order to own the Jews will bring the Palestinians many victories. Even more threatening, they're Islamic pirates so no rum for the poor crew which is presumably being held at gunpoint by these guys.
No.1684751
>>1684748Holy retardation, Batman!
No.1684756
fun from the archive
>Anarchist Tactic for Palestine
The Arab revolution is centred on Palestine. The re-awakening of the Arab nation and the consequent nationalist revolution has brought the masses of Palestine in conflict with British Imperialism. Every movement against British Imperialism must be welcomed as the rulers of this country rule (or, synonymously, misrule) the larger part of the world’s colonial peoples. The opposition of revolutionaries to British Imperialism and its allies must be taken for granted.
The clashing of two nationalisms (Jewish and Arab in this case) has inevitably given rise to controversy abroad. In the Houses of Parliament sympathy is naturally pro-Zionist; as one MP is reputed to have said, when asked why he supported the Jews in Palestine against the Arabs: “In my constituency I have thousands of Jewish Voters — I haven’t a single Arab”. The Labour Party, free from the responsibility in the Government of a bloody suppression of all vestiges of Arab life, urges the Government to insist upon the policy of a Jewish National State. The majority opinion here seems to be pro-Zionist, perhaps because the Zionists are so definitely pro-Imperialist while the Arabs are vaguely accused of being pro-Fascist. It would be a surprise, therefore, to read about the Government’s rejection of the Jewish side in the Palestine talks (up to the moment of writing) if the Government had not to reckon with millions of other Arab and Moslem subjects in the Empire. Chamberlain’s policy of “Appeasement” has up to now not been primarily in the interests of the Democratic Imperialisms, and in the Palestine issue, again, he is far less concerned with the maintenance of Imperialism than his “Left” opponents!
What is the case for Zionism? Zionism represents the age-old desire of the Rabbis to return to the “Holy Land”. The significance of the word “Zion” (the Biblical and traditional name) will be noted. The Rabbis, whose jobs depend on the keeping-up of the race-barriers and the consequent survival of the religion, in the fear of assimilation, have fostered these artificial laws in order to maintain, by tribal “totems and taboos” a separate race. Naturally, they have failed, and Zionism is the way they are endeavouring to succeed. There is to-day no pure race, despite the claims of Hitler and the Rabbis. It will be noted that the revival of Judaism has only been a reaction to pogroms and persecution. In times and countries where there has been complete racial and religious toleration, assimilation has begun; intolerance always defeating its own ends.
Herzl began the move for “Back to Zion”. Was his primary concern for the refugees, then fleeing from the pogroms of the Tsar? On the contrary, Herzl refused far more suitable land in Africa, insisting on the “Holy” Land. Finally, the Balfour War Government promised Palestine to the Jews, as well as to the Arabs, when Turkey was defeated. Since the Mandate, the introduction of capitalist Western ideas has undoubtedly benefited the Arab workers, as has the introduction of the proletarian organisations of Europe. But this no excuse, whatever the Zionists may say. Capitalism introduced in this fashion benefited everywhere the working class; the same thing happening in Russia was hailed as a triumph of “communism”. It was nothing of the sort. Despite the coming of capitalist benefits, the struggle against capitalist malevolences must be fought.
Originally there was no agitation against Jewish immigration; moreover there was never previously any anti-Semitism in the Arab countries. Not until immigration became colonisation, and the aim of a Jewish state, did the trouble commence. The Zionist leaders, keeping up a pretence that they were struggling against Fascism, have been the motivators of Fascism in Palestine and have the responsibility for the heavy toll of wasted lives. Fascism? From the “Jewish Hitler”, Vladimir Jabotinsky, with his “Storm Troop” Revisionists to the Rothschild and Imperialist Zionists in London (who take good care to keep out of the “Holy” country), from the “Nuremberg” laws of the synagogue to the basic ideology of Zionism (nationalism based on race and not on country) the whole of the Jewish nationalist movement has been as fascist as any other nationalist movement which has left its early liberal phase. The labour leaders like Ben Gurion accuse the Arabs of being in the pay of Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW and under that pretence act the Hitlers and ᴉuᴉlossnWs. Meanwhile they dupe the masses of Jewish workers in the pogromist countries that there is only one future — Palestine — and furnish the excuses for the anti-Semitic governments.
Undoubtedly the Arab revolution must have the support of the workers abroad. Let us not be duped as “revolutionary socialists” have been duped, however. There is no hope for the future in a Palestine under the Grand Mufti and Company. There is no reason to suppose that a bourgeois nationalist government will do more for the working class than did the Imperialist government. The lesson of Ireland alone affords proof. The struggle must be against Imperialism first, against Zionism secondly, and lastly against the bourgeois nationalist government when created.
There is no evidence that the present nationalist movement is capable of such a task. The task is to forget the past and to build up a revolutionary labour movement in Palestine, without consideration of nationality. The only hope there for workers’ unity is a movement that will not include within its ranks the religious leaders of Judaism or Mohammedism, and exclusive of Jewish or Arab or British exploiters. From which side it will come remains to be seen, there is little hope of a revolution in Palestine becoming a social revolution. It may be necessary at the moment to struggle alongside the petty bourgeoisie against Imperialism, but it must be borne in mind that they can neither play a revolutionary role, and that neither the Nehrus in India nor the Muftis in Palestine can be considered as friends, but only as pawns, of the revolutionary working-class.
The programme of the new Palestinian labour movement must be for the overthrow of the Mandate; for autonomy; for a struggle against the autonomous government when created, for workers’ control and freedom. The anarchist tactic for the situation in Palestine is the only road that will lead away from the present debacle; the co-operation of the Arab revolutionaries throughout the Near East, in co-operation with anti-Zionist Jewish minority and all workers, of whatever race, will alone push forward the opportunity for a complete revolution.
Albert Meltzer (1939)
No.1684764
>>1684738if they keep it up it could make it too costly to insure. thats what they did to russia over ukraine but russia got its own insurers because there was no physical threat. here there is a physical threat. they also could start sinking ships or hit the canal itself, the saudis already had to block some missiles.
>On 26 July 1956, Nasser nationalised the Suez Canal Company, which prior to that was owned primarily by British and French shareholders. On 29 October, Israel invaded the Gaza Strip and the Egyptian Sinai. Britain and France issued a joint ultimatum to cease fire, which was ignored. On 5 November, Britain and France landed paratroopers along the Suez Canal. The Egyptian forces, before they were defeated, blocked all ship traffic by sinking 40 ships in the canal. It later became clear that Israel, France and Britain had conspired to plan the invasion. No.1684788
>>1684704Ok, surely im not the only one who thinks Israel's going to backtrack on their word here, right?
No.1684822
>>1683645pirates of the red sea
No.1684863
>>1684585I asked this
>>1684119, not sabo. And I'm pro-China. Questioning any aspect of their foreign policy, which has always been a mixed bag (and straight up reactionary at certain points) isn't an attack. Some of you are too sensitive, China isn't infallible, no communist party is beyond criticism so why should China? China's response to the conflict is important and highly relevant so I don't see what's so outrageous about bringing it up.
No.1684892
>>1684690this is literally just as soy as redditors paying ukrainians to write big chungus on their rockets
No.1684897
Does the red triangle point up or down? 🔺🔻
No.1684901
>>1684892>uses soy as an ad lib for cringe>feels the need to point out things they deem cringewhy? so people can stick it on the refridgerator or something? what drives this impulse?
No.1684902
>>1684892that was cringe because reddit sucks.
seriously tho, hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation so try not to get on the news as an antisemitic terrorist financier.
No.1684920
any update on the pirates of Yemen?
No.1684923
>>1684839the lewdest one possible!
No.1684925
>>1684923Pretty sure that would be haram Anon.
No.1684927
>>1684925but what if we made alunya and grace wear a keffiyeh?
No.1684928
It's just an anime girl! I just want to see the IDF propaganda "terrorists weaponize hentai for antisemitism."
No.1684929
>>1684927Alunya in a keffiyeh? I'm sure that already exists right?
No.1684930
>>1684929no, never seen it in the booru.
No.1684931
>>1684928>Weaponizing hentai for antisemitismI mean, if we're to go to /pol/…
No.1684934
>"jihadists promote antisemetic HENTAI OF HATE in genocidal struggle to wipe out Israel"
>"fap for freedom in Palestine" the latest hate symbol of the radical left? hate speech according to the ADL
No.1684936
>>1684925Would she have to wear a hijab or something?
No.1684947
i honestly cant believe you hopeless weirdos are still talking about your anime wifu shit. jfc.
No.1684950
>On the military side, Hamas has little to gain from the truce. It is militarily very convenient for Israel but makes no real difference to Hamas, this is what i have been thinking too. this deal is all around better for israel by a stretch.
A pause in fighting. But what’s in it for Hamas?Hamas has scored an important psychological, political and strategic victory: The Israeli cabinet and the US president have negotiated with Hamas, reached an agreement and said publicly they intend to honour it.
On the military side, Hamas has little to gain from the truce. It is militarily very convenient for Israel but makes no real difference to Hamas, despite fears voiced by the Israeli public that it would use the opportunity to regroup.
<https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/22/analysis-a-pause-in-fighting-whats-in-it-for-hamas No.1684951
>>1684950it's almost as if le ebul hamas actually do care about the palestinian people
No.1684952
>>1684950israel needs to maintain momentum. if they resume the warcrimes after a truce everyone's gonna be even more passed off.
No.1684953
>>1684950I doubt the ceasefire will hold. In previous Gaza wars, they have a tendency to break down because of poor ground coordination. Palestinian militias can't always communicate with their units and IDF can be disorganized and trigger happy or come up with excuses like "blowing up tunnels is not a combat operation or whatever. You have smaller factions who like the Jihad Jibril Brigade or Palestinian Mujahideen Movement who will undermine Hamas by instigating firefights in violation of the ceasefire.
No.1684955
>>1684648maybe we can have them read some Marx
>>1684672TIL al-Qassam has a website:
https://alqassam.ps/arabic/also in English:
https://en.alqassam.ps/>>1684839maybe one of these?
No.1684957
>>1684955>maybe we can have them read some Marx>maybe one of these?anon you're talking about it as some real thing. you're not going to send bitcoin to hamas and ask them to put your stupid cartoons on a rocket. please fuck of to /siberia/ with this incomprehensible level of autism it's off-putting to life.
No.1684961
>>1684958>You can send us thoughts, ideas, suggestions, opinions, comments, or other forms of support.Hey al-Qassam, can you add an anonymous imageboard to your website? I'll janny for you and clear off the CP. We'll be your personal army.
Hey al-Qassam, can you add a booru so we can upload the artwork we made for you?
Hey al-Qassam, we're really into this Islamic socialism thing can we use your logo at your events?
No.1684971
Love reading these. It's so interesting how so much has remained the same.
>Palestine Riots
From the newspaper, ‘War Commentary, For Anarchism’, Vol.5, No.12, Mid-April, 1944
Trouble is once again threatened in the “Holy Land”. It is reported that members of the “Hagana”, the illegal New Zionist movement of “Revisionists” (Jewish Fascist organisation which claims some 70,000 members) are carrying out secret military manoeuvres in the desert by the Dead Sea, and their extremists are once more active.
The list of explosions and attacks in the past few weeks cannot be overlooked. It seems as if the extreme Zionist nationalists hope to provoke Arab-Jewish disturbances during the occasion of the Passover holidays, in order to rally the Jewish community there to their fascist programme.
Liberals in this country and more especially in America seem quite inept at realising the essentially fascist nature of the Revisionists, though it could not be clearer if they had used the name and done with it. Only the association elsewhere of fascism and anti-semitism prevents that. Apart from being a secret military organisation that drills its members in preparation for the taking over of power; apart from being extremely nationalistic and desiring a State in which one race only shall be the herrenvolk, the Revisionists have a completely totalitarian programme, and though they have long since forsworn their earlier praise of ᴉuᴉlossnW, the imprint of fascism bears itself upon their reason for existence, their aims for getting power, and the manner in which they propose to run their State.
Many British soldiers have seen this in the past few years; without necessarily being supporters of British imperialism themselves they have marvelled at the nature of this opposition, imagining fascism could not originate among even the reactionaries of a race that had suffered so much from it in other forms. It is not progressive anti-imperialism that impels the Revisionists to attempt to bar from synagogues Jewish soldiers in the British Army, as has happened in some instances, according to the tales of soldiers arriving home. Even “Christianity” does not go that far!
In the struggle between British imperialism and Revisionism there is no choice we can make. Nor do we support the bourgeois Arab nationalists, forever safeguarding their own position without considering the interests of the masses: who bargain away Arab lands with the richer Jewish community and hope to get it back by political jerrymandering with the authorities.
No.1684976
>>1684974
>It would be appreciated if you could give any information on funding.
You're braver than I am
No.1684978
>>1684974
That's maybe a step to far. They can't arrest you over material support for just sending a message of support. Like "we're with the people of palestine" or something.
No.1684981
>>1684980>a bunch of old palestinian lefties talkpretty depressing though i got to say.
No.1684986
>>1684983
>Progressives and the left-wing worldwide
Anonymous of /leftypol/ worldwide send kind regards… maybe better?
No.1684987
https://pflp.ps/post/23835/Popular Front: The war of extermination is escalating and the enemy is trying to numb the world
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine confirmed that the crimes of the Zionist enemy have escalated and reached new levels of brutality that no human mind could have imagined, and have surpassed any historical precedents for crimes committed by the worst murderers and extermination regimes throughout history.
The Front stressed that the criminal Zionist enemy’s bombing of the Indonesian hospital, targeting the surgery and operations department, and its killing of the wounded on operating tables and in sick beds, is a crime that exceeded any legal framework for war crimes and crimes against humanity, and reached limits that now require special legislation to describe and punish them.
The Front considered that the enemy’s intensification and escalation of its crimes in recent days came by taking advantage of the partnership, support and full coverage of the aggression countries, led by the United States of America, with Western complicity and the agreement of some Arab regimes.
The Front stressed that this genocide, massacres, horrors and atrocities to which our people are exposed can only be responded to by an Arab and international uprising that shakes the brutal and worn-out world order and restores some justice to this world in which colonial governments have trampled on all human values.
The Front warned that spreading news and leaks about a temporary truce aims only to cover up these crimes, numb Arab and international public opinion, and fail the forces of solidarity and the peoples who must escalate their uprising against this brutality.
The Front demanded that today, Monday, be considered the beginning of a flood of popular anger, to punish the Zionist enemy and the forces and governments of the aggression coalition, and to besiege their embassies and attack their interests and forces.
The Front concluded that at a time when Arab oil is still flowing, feeding the genocidal war machine, blood is flowing in rivers in the Gaza Strip, and that Arab silence or weak reaction to that means that this genocide will be generalized to affect the Arab peoples and the peoples of the region.
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine,
Central Media Department,
November 20, 2023
No.1684988
>>1684977
>>1684983
i would create a new email account via Tor and send it using that
>inb4 compromised
still beats using your own ip
No.1684989
what's the best way to organize a protest in an international community nation like Germany or France without getting charged for anti-semitism?
No.1684991
>>1684986Dear Freedom Fighters,
The anonymous users of /leftypol/ send kind regards and a warm support of solidarity towards your resistant struggle against genocide.
Free Palestine From The River To The Sea,
Leftypol.
Any other suggestions?, all we need is someone to send it off once the thread is more active and others have any thoughts.
No.1684994
>>1684991>Any other suggestions?yea. take this shit to /siberia/.
No.1684997
>>1684996
where you belong
No.1684999
What maps and visuals do people look at for updates on the current genocide apart from mainstream news sites or premium ones like Financial Times.
No.1685008
>>1684999Maps and visuals are fairly useless here I think.
No.1685009
>>1685004My biggest issue with the tweet is that boomer-tier reaction pic. I hate ut so much, idk why. Its just bad etiquette i think.
No.1685010
>>1685009It's just heavy handed white supremacist rhetoric. Screaming terrified white lady.
No.1685012
>>1685010Its the uncropped thumbnail junk in the corner thats getting me. The guy found the first pic he could in google images and was content with that. Thats why imageboards will always be superior to these mass public platforms - it keeps out the chaff.
No.1685015
>>1685004Own a tomahawk for home defense, just like the great fathers intended. five settlers wielding uzis break into my house claiming it as their own. "by Allah and big chief wounded knee!" As I grab my feather-decorated keffyeh and Comanche war club. I bash the head of the first settler, he's dead on the spot. throw my tomahawk on the second man, miss him entirely because it weighs 3 kilos, and lands on the third settler's scalp, such a waste for a perfect zionist scalp. I have to resort to the scimitar mounted at the top of the stairs made with Damascus steel, "bismillah, If we must die, we die defending our rights, peace be upon you sitting bull" I rush the two men wearing a locket that's been blessed by the medicine men and imams of Kentucky, the light of Allah deflects the bullets back to the legs of the settlers, their scream makes the car outside sound their alarm "AYAYAYAYAYAYAYA" i say as i charge the last terrified white man. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since wootz steel wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the great fathers intended
No.1685016
>>1685015Genuinely funny. 10/10
No.1685023
>>1685015Is this what Ethnocacerism is like?
No.1685024
>>1685023and it's beautiful
No.1685028
>>1685004Comanches at most waged ONE war of extermination against the Apache. Europeans wages dozens of wars of extermination in North America alone. Reeducation camps cannot come soon enough
No.1685029
>>1685004The first paragraph was pretty sane.
>Comanches were more savage Native nuclear weapons program when?
No.1685038
>>1685033Americans in general have a very dramatic cadence to their speech. I suspect it comes from television and hollywood.
No.1685039
The Samurai fear da jooz
No.1685044
>>1685039The samurai wants the Jew power for themselves
https://gefenpublishing.com/product.asp?productid=611>There was one nation that did treat the Jews as if they were powerful and rich. The Japanese never had much exposure to Jews, and knew very little about them. In 1919 Japan fought alongside the anti-Semitic White Russians against the Communists. At that time the White Russians introduced the Japanese to the book, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.>The Japanese studied the book and, according to all accounts, naively believed its propaganda. Their reaction was immediate and forceful – they formulated a plan to encourage Jewish settlement and investment into Manchuria. People with such wealth and power as the Jews possess, the Japanese determined, are exactly the type of people with whom we want to do business! No.1685049
>>1685033Native to Palestine btw
No.1685052
I hope you idiots are aware that giving hamas money will get you jail time
No.1685056
>>1685049I wonder if its some American mercs in Gaza
No.1685057
>>1685033I honestly can't tell if he's trying to force a caricature of an American accent or if he really talks like this.
No.1685059
Families of female Palestinian prisoners await releaseAt her home in the occupied East Jerusalem town of Sur Baher, Sameera Dwayyat is gripped with anxiety and apprehension.
The name of her daughter, Shorouq, who is currently serving the longest sentence of all the female Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, is on the list of prisoners due for release over the next few days in exchange for 50 Israeli captives held in Gaza by Hamas.
“I’m so nervous,” Sameera, also known as Imm Ibrahim, told Al Jazeera. “We haven’t heard confirmation about the names [to be released] from any official side, and neither the Red Cross nor the Palestinian Prisoners Club have contacted us.”
>Palestinian witnesses said an Israeli settler had tried to pull off her hijab while she was walking past, in a deliberate act of provocation. She pushed back and Israeli forces fired four bullets into her body, leaving her to bleed on the ground for half an hour before arresting her.Read our story here.
<https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/22/anxious-optimistic-families-of-female-palestinian-prisoners-await-release No.1685061
>>1685033Is that laughter? they're laughing at him lmao
No.1685065
>>1685057probably played too much COD slop and now he thinks he's Graves
No.1685066
>>1685056>I wonder if its some American mercs in GazaNo just settlers. not a big of a difference between the two conseptually though.
No.1685068
>>1685066Australian settlers are much worse than Americans
No.1685075
>>1685065These guys are a time honored American tradition of weaponizing insane genocidal racist southerners
No.1685082
>>1684965Dear warriors of Al Qassam
Oh my gaah I am ur best fan ^__^
where can I get signed abu obaida dakimakura??? lolz
i have qassam brigade armband too
just want to say we support you GO FOR IT QASSAM DAN (´･ω･`)
death to israel lole
also can u put strawberry heaven as soundtrack one of ur videos (＾Д^)
No.1685083
>>1685077hey yall, i ain't a Yankee, so i reckon, do all them soldiers from the sweet south really talk like hicks n rednecks n plantation owners or s'that just a gosh darn stereotype?
bless your heart for the answers
No.1685087
>>1685083Soldiers usually try to put on a persona of an authoritative and scary figure during speeches. Whether they're emulating the fire and brimstone pastor at church, or they're trying to sound scary and ethnic, or they're putting on an inner city gangbanger façade, they usually lean into it in order to ensure that people dont question their leadership and their position within the hierarchy, but it's also done to cause other soldiers' adrenaline to start kicking in and getting their blood to boil. When they're not yelling at the platoon or shouting at a rookie, they usually have a more relaxed demeanor.
No.1685089
71. from 68 i think yesterday.
>Israel identifies latest soldier killed in Gaza fighting
The military said 21-year-old first sergeant Eitan Dov Rosenzweig was killed in northern Gaza.
At least 71 Israeli soldiers have been killed since the military expanded its incursion into the enclave.
No.1685090
>>1685014real mask off moment, this is what porkies like him really think. the contempt he has for a working class street vendor, gloating about his connections to get that guys family tortured by the Egyptian secret police
No.1685096
Hezbollah actions 21-11-2023:
- Eastern Sector:
6:40 AM: Targeting a house in Al-Mutela settlement where Israeli enemy soldiers are positioned, with appropriate weapons, causing direct hits in response to the Zionist enemy's targeting of homes in southern villages.
2:25 PM: Targeting a force from the "Military Assembly" affiliated with Israeli military intelligence while it was present in a house at the outskirts of Al-Manara settlement with two guided missiles, resulting in casualties between killed and wounded as an initial response to the Zionist enemy's targeting of journalists at Al-Mayadeen Channel, martyrs Farah Omar and Rabei Al-Maamari, along with other civilian martyrs.
4:10 PM: Bombarding Beit Hillel military base with Grad rockets (Katyusha), achieving direct hits as a response to the Zionist enemy's targeting of journalists at Al-Mayadeen Channel, martyrs Farah Omar and Rabei Al-Maamari, civilians, and civilian homes.
4:50 PM: Targeting an assembly of Israeli enemy soldiers at the Bayad Blida site, causing direct injuries.
- Western Sector:
9:50 AM: Targeting the Hadeb Al-Bustan site with appropriate weapons, achieving direct hits.
11:45 AM: Targeting Al-Raheb site with appropriate weapons, achieving direct hits.
1:45 PM: Targeting the Jal Al-Alam site with appropriate weapons, achieving direct hits.
2:30 PM: Targeting Jal Al-Deir site with appropriate weapons, achieving direct hits.
3:45 PM: Targeting an assembly of Israeli enemy soldiers inside a house in Avivim settlement with guided missiles, resulting in casualties between killed and wounded as a response to the Zionist enemy's targeting of journalists at Al-Mayadeen Channel, martyrs Farah Omar and Rabei Al-Maamari, and other civilian martyrs.
3:50 PM: Targeting an assembly of Israeli enemy soldiers at Al-Malikiyah site with appropriate weapons, achieving direct hits.
4:05 PM: Targeting a tank near the Ntou'a settlement with appropriate weapons, achieving a direct hit.
4:15 PM: Targeting an industry belonging to Rafael company for to the Israeli military industries in Shlomi area with missiles, causing direct hits and flames as a response to the Zionist enemy's bombardment of the aluminum factory in Al-Kafour area north of the city of Nabatiyeh.
No.1685106
>>1685089According to various resistance groups, the numbers should be from 2000-3000. This is backed by evidence of funerals taking place "every other hour" in cemeteries in Israel.
No.1685129
It's statistically impossible that all the IDF deaths so far have just so happened to be officers since there's simply a shit ton more normal soldiers.
I remember the Gay Nazi flagfag saying that IDF officers are usually given more dangerous and direct tasks but that still won't cut it. Even if every officer charged straight into danger like a retard and every enlistee/reservist acted extremely cautiously, it'd still one in a trillion chance that every single death turns out to be that of an officer.
No.1685131
>>1685129Keep in mind that every soldier that dies in the IDF gets a posthumous promotion of 2 ranks.
No.1685133
>>1683233 (OP)
Melissa Barrera, Susan Sarandon, and Others in Hollywood Lose Jobs, Representation Over Israel-Hamas War CommentsOn Tuesday, Academy Award-winning actress Susan Sarandon was dropped by her talent agency over comments she made at a pro-Palestinian rally last week, and actress Melissa Barrera was fired from the cast of the upcoming thriller Scream VII, in which she was slated to reprise her leading role in the franchise.
Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war, Barrera, 33, has used her social media platform frequently to showcase her support for the Palestinian cause and to share information about the situation in Gaza, including resharing Instagram posts and articles describing Israeli forces’ attacks as “genocide and ethnic cleansing” and referring to Israel as a “colonized land.”
No.1685134
>>1685100Hope more burgers get 🔻'd soon.
No.1685135
no new 'ssam kino?
No.1685136
>>1684682>least advantageous momentWtf are you smoking? This is the most advantageous moment! The US is currently bogged down in two wars, they've destroyed their credibility among the global south who are near-universally on the side of Russia and Palestine respectively. By not decisively and openly taking the side of anti-imperialist forces they are wasting an opportunity to drive an even greater wedge between the US and its colonial subjects, and bring the latter further under their leadership.
>with no certainty of success or even avoiding greater calamity?There is never certainty of success, but a greater calamity would be the US reasserting its dominance over the global south by military and espionage means. More governments are seeing BRICS as an alternative, but this isn't new. The Non-Aligned Movement had more or less the same goal, and what happened to them? Their leading members were deposed by US intervention, which China evidently lacks the desire to seriously challenge. If they don't confront US imperialism decisively it will simply reassert its dominance with force, start toppling neutral or pro-Chinese governments, etc.
>China certainly has a decent amount of defensive and offensive capability, but expecting them to play world policeNobody is saying this, they don't need hundreds of military bases around the world. But where there is a blatant and obvious attempt to enforce US imperial dominance through military means (as in Palestine and Ukraine) then they shouldn't be afraid to challenge this. Especially when their supposed allies (like Iran and Russia) are already doing so.
>The end of Pax Americana could easily be peacefulEmbarrassing thing to post tbqh. The US is not even capable of peaceful coexistence in the midst of its own hegemonic dominance, let alone while in decline. Even at the height of its power when there was no serious challenge to its hegemony, it waged vicious wars of aggression against Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria. The current confrontations with Russia and China are entirely the result of American belligerence, since both of these countries strongly desired peaceful relations. The only became enemies of the US because the Americans refused to peacefully coexist with them. We are seeing the fruits of the "peaceful" decline of American hegemony in the 14,000 dead Palestinians and levelled Ukrainian villages.
No.1685151
Does placing an explosive charge and then using an RPG from a distance counts as a "melee"?
Whatever lol. I told you videos of this would become more common.
>>1685135Here.
No.1685153
>>1685129Like other anon said, they get promoted when they get pwnt. Also the ones doing the heavy fighting are considered on paper to be 'special forces' so they probably have a high ranks and as the naziflag guy also said that it is comon to give everyone this big rank above the national service.
I think they are probably hiding their numbers on certain fronts and in certain units but the current numbers do track with other wars so i would not discount them completely without proof to the contrary.
No.1685154
>>1685014you need to be an actual sociopath to be upper brass on an intelligence agency since they're basically the criminal arm of the state.
No.1685156
>>1685151>he goes and plants a mine on the back.I'm telling you it's only a matter of time before they take more hostages.
No.1685157
>>1685151>>1685156Seems like they could really used some of those magnetic anti-tank grenades the Germans had in WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafthohlladung No.1685158
>>1685151<that endingfinally some infantry combat
No.1685159
>>1685157Imagine the PR though if Hamas started using German WW2 era weapons
No.1685160
Palestinians must be allowed to return to north Gaza as soon as possible: US
David Satterfield, US special envoy for humanitarian affairs in the Middle East, tells the Lebanese broadcaster Al Jadeed that Washington is against the displacement of Palestinians from Gaza.
Satterfield also said Palestinians who fled northern Gaza following Israeli demands “must be allowed to return to homes in the north as soon as possible”.
He reiterated that the US “wants to see Israel succeed in its campaign” and warned Hezbollah to cease attacks on Israel if it wants to avoid an escalation.
No.1685161
>>1685158Last video also had some, but it was against surviving IDF soldiers who were injured after a booby-trap explosion.
No.1685162
Islamic Jihad committed to truce: Spokesman
Ali Abu Shaheen, a member of the movement’s political bureau, says that Islamic Jihad will adhere to the humanitarian pause if Israel reciprocates.
“We are part of the deal,” said the Lebanon-based spokesman. “We are constantly meeting, consulting and coordinating with Hamas.”
No.1685163
>>1685158>finally some infantry combatIt cut weirdly from the view to the animals from where the resistance shot, so idk what was going on there. We have seen infrantry stuff before though, they seem to get hammered, remember the sniper video from last week?
No.1685164
>>1685163>remember the sniper video from last week?no, which one?
No.1685173
>>1685160The US say they are against settlements but they let the Israelis build them anyway.
No.1685176
>>1685171Look at me. Look at me. You're Yemeni now
No.1685178
>>1685171from the way they treat them in this video, I doubt any of the workers on that ship were Israeli
No.1685180
>>1685171i as wondering if they're allowed to leave the ship with escort.
They're going to potentially be there a long time.
Is Yemen visitable as a destination for civilians btw?
>>1685178>I doubt any of the workers on that ship were IsraeliThey werent and wont be. Shipping being an international industry utilizes international labour pool, taking the cheapest they can. it is not work for white people.
No.1685183
>>1685156Those rear doors on the Merkavas are a weak point. They are meant for offloading infantry since Merkavas are hybrid tanks with an IFV style troop carrying capacity. An explosive charge on one of those could do serious damage to any men inside.
No.1685184
>>1685180>Is Yemen visitable as a destination for civilians btw?As much as any warzone is I presume.
No.1685186
>>1685180It looks like the Houthis are trying to follow traditional prize rules: bring the ship into port, intern the crew as POWs or as civilians, throw the cargo overboard or seize it etc.
No.1685188
>>1685186>throw the cargo overboardfrom what I read the cargo was cars, you know Lamborghinis, Maserati, jeeps, teslas
No.1685192
>>1685188The Teslas should only ever be handled by EOD teams, for obvious reasons.
No.1685198
>>1685188Damn, they could probably make a serious buck if they know how to sell them.
No.1685199
>>1685181Those Garands are good rifles. The annoying thing is the loud ping when the magazine empties. It was one of Che's favorite guns.
No.1685203
>>1685199the ping is the best part though
No.1685204
>>1685188It was empty when seized.
No.1685205
>>1685203In WW2, US servicemen complained that the ping gave away their position and signaled they were out of ammo. It was one of the drawbacks of what otherwise was the best rifle of the war.
No.1685209
>>1685205But like bro, it's so iconic and like so cool and badass in CoD games and like… you know?
No.1685210
>>1685209Never played tbh
No.1685216
>>1685183>Those rear doors on the Merkavas are a weak point. They are meant for offloading infantry since Merkavas are hybrid tanks with an IFV style troop carrying capacity. An explosive charge on one of those could do serious damage to any men inside.Yea, Resistance SOP for prisoner taking is firing a rocket at the doors of these things (APCs or Tanks) and draging out any survivors.
Shalit was a tank operator (and then take them through a tunnel across the border and collapse the tunnel behind).
<picrelI imagine the shape of the back helps point the explosion towards the doors too.
No.1685218
>>1685216In the Shalit incident I heard one guy popped a nade through the Merkavas's top hatch and other guys fired at the troops exiting from the rear. A wounded Shalit was dragged out of the tank injured and probably suffering a concussion.
No.1685220
>IDF went from winning a war in 6 days to running and crying like crazy when they see bullets or rockets fired at them before calling in a hundred airstrikes
sociological explanation?
No.1685221
>>1685218oh yea i guess a grenade works as well as an rpg!
No.1685222
>>1685220antisemitic sissy hypno
No.1685224
>>1685220Apples and oranges.
No.1685235
>>1685205That's fuddlore and would only be plausible if there were only like 1 or 2 Americans with Garands, fighting in extremely close proximity to the enemy. Battles are loud as fuck and you aren't going to hear a ping amidst thousands of rounds being exchanged. Even if you did and tried to rush one guy who was reloading, the rest of his squad would clap you.
No.1685238
>>1685038That's a southern baptist preacher thing he's got going. They call them fire and brimstone preachers.
No.1685240
>>1685220>Holocaust survivors, WW2 vets, and their immediate offspring have bigger balls than neoliberal atomized psytrance hippies with a second passport Who would have guessed?
No.1685244
>>1685033Why are they speaking English? Are they IDF or US Army?
No.1685245
As a satanist I support Israel because they are doing the lord satan's work in destroying righteousness and poisoning minds everywhere. Well done Israel!
No.1685256
<picrelAliens
>>1685244>they It's just one guy anon.
He is probably a settler/dual-passport playing up his accent.
No.1685259
Would I be wrong to say it is likely IDF wants time to re-asses, dig in and intel gather? they've been moving alot in tanks and APCs but not taking up positions so much, they have in beit hanoun, this is where we have seen many of the anti-personel attacks on positions and patrols.
>“Yet, here he is, accepting a deal that has been … on the table for many weeks.”
El-Masry said that if the deal goes into effect, Hamas will be able to sell it as a “kind of victory” and so will Netanyahu to some extent.
But asked whether this truce could be the start of further negotiations for a permanent ceasefire, el-Masry said: “I’m not personally very optimistic about that.”
No.1685260
>>1685242>the tree of the Second coming of the Messiah must be refreshed with the blood of Palestinians and IsraelisMost compassionate Lutheran "christian"
No.1685312
>>1685136>they shouldn't be afraid to challenge thisThey are. They are just doing it through the UN because they want to actually solve the problem once and for all. Its a much bigger win if they can get the whole world lined up against the US and then force them to accept a Palestinian state. They will not act unilaterally because they respect international law and are trying to replace the rules based order with a law based one. They are setting up for an international military intervention against Israel based on the Korean precedent set by the UN.
No.1685315
The UN are the biggest cowards on the Israel Palestine issue.
No.1685316
>>1685136>This is the most advantageous moment! The US is currently bogged down in two wars, they've destroyed their credibilitylike the war on terror?
>a greater calamity would be the US reasserting its dominance over the global southa greater calamity is a nuclear exchange.
>[non-US aligned leaders were] deposed by US intervention, which China evidently lacks the desire to seriously challengechallenge it with better deals and action at the UN, USIsrael is facing near unanimous opposition
>[the Chinese] don't need hundreds of military bases around the worldbut they do need hundreds of American military bases around south east Asia and the indian subcontinent to fuck off.
>We are seeing the fruits of the "peaceful" decline of American hegemony in the 14,000 dead Palestinians and leveled Ukrainian villages.the level of violence against civilians in Palestine is unprecedented but the Iraq and Afghan wars were also host to atrocities, war crimes, enormous suffering for the civilian population
No.1685318
Statement from Fauda (anarchist group in Palestine)An important and decisive war has begun in Occupied Palestine. We spent the eighteenth day of the “Al-Aqsa Storm” operation while more than 4,900 Palestinians have been martyred in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and more than 15,000 people injured. Since the beginning of this war, the Fauda movement has used all its field and media resources to confront the fascist Zionists. Our young people in the West Bank, every day and night, are struggling and fighting the Israeli army and the security forces of the treacherous Palestinian Authority (PA) complementing the Zionist project in the West Bank.
We declare to every Zionist who has been occupying our land that we will resist until the last moment of our lives. And even if this war ends, we will be like active bombs which move in your settlements and rob you of your normal daily life. You will never be at peace in our land. We will not leave you alone as long as you occupy our land. Get out of it and get on with your lives. We request all free people in the world to burn the Israeli flag and march towards Israeli embassies in all countries. Do your duty and be the voice of the Palestinians and the voice of all the innocent children and women who are being killed under the barbaric and brutal bombing of the Zionists. We tell all our enemies in the Zionist apartheid regime that we have a lot of surprises for you. And know that we will be on the lookout for you from the north to the south of Palestine, whether inside the occupied territory in the West Bank or even in the Gaza Strip.
We are anarchists. We are legends. We don’t forget. We don’t forgive. Expect us.
Video from @fauda_ps on Telegram:
high quality –
https://t.me/fauda_ps/16294medium quality –
https://t.me/fauda_ps/16295low quality –
https://t.me/fauda_ps/16296DN Note: For more info about ‘Fauda’ check out this interview:
https://blackrosefed.org/interview-fauda-palestine/ No.1685319
>>1685318so this statement is from late october, what have they done since then?
No.1685323
>>1685321cope and seethe faggot.
>>1685319>so this statement is from late october, what have they done since then?idk anon. get telegram and ask them i guess.
No.1685326
If there's one thing that's really easy to do is take a picture of yourself and your buddies cosplaying as guerrillas and releasing meaningless statements to the public. If these guys are legit anarchists they should actually do something before running their mouths.
No.1685330
Has anything been happening in the West Bank? Or do the Zionists have too much of a lock on things there?
No.1685331
>>1685330A couple thousand people have died there and there have been a bunch of major operations against West Bank militias
No.1685332
>>1685316>like the war on terrorCircumstances are just a little different now.
No.1685338
>>1685319not die, presumably. what can they do really, except support each other. really there is no act more radical than surviving under the occupation of a fascist state
No.1685340
>>1685326>If these guys are legit anarchists they should actually do something before running their mouths.<We have carried out various activities, including teaching Palestinian youth how to struggle and the methods of struggle and anarchist thought (the educational unit). Coordinating various vigils and protests, some peaceful and some in the form of a black bloc (the executive unit). Publishing news and everything related to Palestine and the Palestinian people, and what the Israeli army and security systems are doing. The suppression of individual and social freedoms, demolition of Palestinian homes, killing of children, massacres and genocide against the Palestinian people and so on (News Unit). And the dissemination of important information about the history of Palestine, the history of the Palestinian and Israeli conflict, and the intellectual differences that the new generation may face from its past, because here we are facing a fierce media war that distorts the facts and turns them in favor of Israel. As you know, Israel has channels that broadcast around the clock in Arabic in order to distort historical facts and spread its false narrative about the past and what is currently happening on the ground (Media Unit).It appears they are an embryonic movement seeking to form bonds and political agitation within their communities.
You didn't read anything before - ironically - running your mouth, did you anon?
>>1685330>Has anything been happening in the West Bank? Or do the Zionists have too much of a lock on things there?It's been on lock in that it has been incredibly violent, nightly raids, last night for example at least left 6 dead, power and utilities attacked, and so on and so on. we did not even see air strikes in the west bank before the 7th now they are daily.
Maybe I am optimistic but this will be a turning point for the west bank because things have materially changed so drastically, people will start to get organized either through hamas or through other political and armed factions, away from the PA. Maybe it will be to late buti think it'll happen regardless.
No.1685341
>>1685331I see. Most of the coverage has been based on Gaza. The last thing I heard was some "announcement" from some super secret group threatening to overthrow Abbas or something.
No.1685345
>>1685256I said they because the soldiers listening clearly understand him and some are replying in English.
No.1685347
>>1685331>thousandabout 200
>>1685338I'd say that actually striking back at the occupation would be more significant.
>>1685340So they talk to people and make posts online. do they engage in any resistance which isn't just preaching to the choir of western anarchists online?
>>1685341The groups hasn't done anything and probably never existed in the first place.
No.1685349
>>1685347>So they talk to people and make posts online. do they engage in any resistance which isn't just preaching to the choir of western anarchists online?you sound like a salty faggot.
cry moar.
No.1685351
>>1685340So basically they handed out leaflets and publish a newsletter or more likely just put post stuff out on telegram and social media i.e. nothing like 99% of leftist orgs these days are made up of wannabes with an internet connection or in all likelihood a couple of people sat in a trailer park larping as Palestinians.
>some in the form of a black bloc Please stop…
It just sounds like a nothing burger that naive lefties will support because they put ideology above all else and they're shopping around for Palestinian movements that ideologically align with them rather than backing the strongest horse or just not being so damn picky with their food.
Anarchism is washed up anyway.
>>1685347If you count up all the deaths in the West Bank since the beginning of the year I think it comes to about 2,000. It's been a very bloody year in the West Bank long before Oct 7th.
No.1685356
>https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3242369/israel-gaza-war-only-two-state-solution-can-bring-real-peace-china-president-says-first-public
>“I have emphasised on many occasions that the only viable way to break the cycle of Palestinian-Israeli conflict lies in a two-state solution, in the restoration of the legitimate national rights of Palestine, and in the establishment of an independent state of Palestine,” Xi said.So western leftists and jihadists are the only ones ride or die for a one state palestinian solution, then? Libchads win again
No.1685357
How much you people will cry and piss and shit when anarchists do political organizing never ceases to amaze me.
No.1685358
>>1685351No, it was ~200 before and ~200 since. get your figures straight.
>>1685349Anon, face it. your group has done NOTHING. you can make a thousand blogposts and knock over a thousand trash cans and it will make zero progress towards ending the occupation.
No.1685362
>>1685347>I'd say that actually striking back at the occupation would be more significant.if you haven't noticed israel has been bombing gaza for two months because hamas striked at the occupation lol. i dunno what's your beef against some small anarchist group on palestine. i'd be more empathetic with your annoyance towards anarchists if they were burgers.
No.1685363
>>1685357Anon, that's the problem. THEY AREN'T DOING ANY MEANINGFUL ORGANIZING. writing a blog does NOTHING because the only people who read anarchist's blogs are other anarchists who already agree with everything said. from your quote they literally didn't list a single serious action besides a vague mention of "methods of struggle" (though they don't seem to have done much struggle against the occupation). When they stage ambushes against the IDF, or help workers organize against their bosses, then you can tell us all and gloat about how wrong we were but they haven't done that yet.
No.1685366
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>coping and seething and pissing and shittingokay.
No.1685367
>>1685357Anarchists barely do anything beyond write blogs, burn trash, occasionally protest and that's it. In France they can bring quite a lot of people out on the street, but everywhere else they do pretty much nothing or very little and whatever they do quickly goes to shit because of their amazing ability to infight over petty issues. Sometimes they come up with some utopian experiment that inevitably goes to shit because they refuse to listen to good advice because they think their long dead anarchist writers know better. Anarchists ruined the Occupy Movement and look at the whole CHAZ mess. I would be really happy if anarchists did more and did things actually substantive.
If you have a group nobody's heard before suddenly come out of nowhere and all of a sudden start making very radical statements from the start that either means one of three things, they are naive teenagers or glowuyghurs or useful idiots for the feds. Fauda is of course the name of an Israeli TV show.
No.1685368
Israeli military releases new videos on al-Shifa Hospital tunnels
One video, posted on the Israeli military’s English-language X account, showed the entrance to a tunnel, which led to a room with an air conditioning unit and nearby bathrooms.
An Israeli military press release also said a living room, kitchen and “hiding place” were found in the facility. The release said the findings prove Hamas operates “systematically” from within hospitals.
Hamas has denied the claim, and health workers have said there was no noticeable presence of the group at medical facilities.
Commentators have also noted that the existence of tunnels and rooms under al-Shifa does not in itself confirm Israel’s claim that the hospital facility was used as a Hamas operational headquarters.
In a Monday interview on CNN with journalist Christiane Amanpour, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak said Israel had itself helped to build underground facilities at the hospital “probably four decades ago”, saying they were built to “enable more space for the operation of the hospital within the very limited size of this compound”.
A report by the Israeli site Ynet also detailed Israeli construction under al-Shifa dating back to 1983 – construction built during Israel’s physical presence in Gaza from 1967 to 2005. It was not immediately clear if the facilities displayed by Israel’s military were the same as those referenced by Barak and in the Ynet report.
Israeli official says captive release won’t happen ‘before Friday’
Israeli National Security Adviser Tzachi Hanegbi made the announcement, appearing to quash speculation the captive release could begin on Thursday.
“The start of the release will proceed according to the original agreement between the parties, and not before Friday,” Hanegbi said.
The government approved the deal, which will see 50 Israeli captives released in exchange for 150 Palestinian prisoners over a four-day period, in the early hours of Wednesday.
That began a 24-hour period for the public to appeal the decision at Israel’s high court.
Israel did not immediately provide more information about why the release would only begin on Friday at the earliest.
No.1685369
>>1685367>muh CHAZdidn't read lmao.
go back to fbi.gov and stay there hazoid. :-)
No.1685372
>>1685369wtf is a hazoid?
No.1685374
>>1685369yet another case of an anarchist becoming enraged when asked what positive contributions they have made to the movement, very sad.
No.1686600
>>1685367>CHAZ He's a fat midget chinles
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