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 No.175072[Last 50 Posts]

Feel like shit, just want him back lads.

Hello again everyone. I'm CPUSA Anon. You might remember me from bunkerchan. Welcome back to /log/! A place for discussion of Socialist organizations the world over. Feel free to ask questions, talk about your experiences, and share news about exciting goings-on in your orgs!

<Now for some general news.


Run Comrade Run! CP Gets Ready to Flex its Election Muscles!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiJHdRKr7RY
>CPUSA is re-entering the world of electoral politics. American comrades can expect to see CPUSA on the ballot more and more.

SPECIAL BULLETIN; International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties
http://www.solidnet.org/multimedia/printings/
>Available in 3 languages, provides statements/documents from Communist Parties all over the world.

IWOC: A Union for Prisoners
https://industrialworker.org/iwoc-a-union-for-prisoners/
>Wobblies be wobblin' in prison.

The New Cold War, A Communist Party of Canada Presentation
https://twitter.com/compartycanada/status/1383113491385626634
>Maple Syrup Comrades being the most reasonable voice in the room again.

CPGB Running a lot more candidates.
https://www.communistparty.org.uk/votecommunist/
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/britains-local-elections-will-see-largest-number-of-communist-candidates-since-1980s/
>Guilty of growing larger without a loisence, the CPGB is trying to rescue Britain from the thousand year Tory reich.

Unsere Zeit
https://www.unsere-zeit.de/
>I don't speak Germanese. Yes I know that's the only way to read the Das Kapital manga.

Defend Kshama Sawant
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/04/kshama-sawant-amazon-city-council-seat
>Amazon seethes because it can't get a Trot out of office. Defend Kshama!

And that's the news I could find. If y'all got info you'd like to share, orgs you'd like to promote, or just want to shoot the shit, this is the thread to do it!

Solidarity with all workers!
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 No.175303

>>175072
One of the best threads around comes back, i love to see it
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 No.175306

Can't wait to voot cpusa and then get disappeared by the CIA.
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 No.175865

>>175306
Every year I post on our discord and social media that I want the feds to send me a birthday cake.
They never do :c

>>175303
Thanks, Comrade!
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 No.176799

Excited for the future of the party. It will be a huge if we manage to win some elections in the next couple of years.
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 No.176809

Is there any fucking point to joining CPUSA? It seems like it would either be glowed to hell, filled with libs or a good way to get Jakarta'd or all three
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 No.176817

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>>175072
CPUSA Anon do you know when the CPUSA began to support LGBT rights? I tried to look into it, a Wikipedia page implies 2005 but it's obviously prior to that when I dig into it - but I can't figure exactly when? Dunno if it's something you ever cared to know of but worth a shot to ask.
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 No.176847

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>>176809
See I'm of the opinion that the CPUSA is probably the best positioned to be America's Communist Party. Why? Well, in my view we tend to be the most level-headed of the Communist Parties in the U.S. we haven't had issues with sexual harassment, we oppose chauvinism and racism in all its forms without falling to petty-bourgeois radicalism that alienates us from the mainstream American worker, we have ties internationally with the CCP, DPRK, and most other major Communist Parties across the globe. We've won some local elections, and still have ties to America's union movement. Finally, we're America's original communist party, we have history on our side, and the wisdom of a lot of old reds who lived through the worst the red scare had to throw at us.
I'd say we're pretty decent. If you're looking for a CP with less drama and more level-headedness, we're your folks.
>>176799
Same, Comrade! :D
>>176817
I'm not too sure. I think a lot of the old LGBT activists were, if not CP members themselves, adjacent to the CP. At least to the extent that a few comrades credit us for giving them the skills necessary to agitate for their liberation.
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 No.176850

>>176817
>a Wikipedia page implies 2005 but it's obviously prior to that when I dig into it
What page and what earlier dates did you find? Should be edited.
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 No.176853

Kind of tiresome to still see you whoring out your glowie landing pad here.
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 No.176859

>>176850
https://www.cpusa.org/article/constitution-committee-report/
Here's from 2001.
>We have finally written into our basic document our commitment to full civil rights for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

It says 2005 here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA#Gay_rights_movement
>The Communist Party endorsed LGBT rights in a 2005 statement.
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 No.176860

>>176859
However, I could have sworn that I read somewhere that this turning point took place in the 1990s.
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 No.176906

>>176847
You should get on the CPUSA 2036 bandwagon unironically, snatching the idea from Haz and turning it towards something real.
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 No.176965

Maybe I'm a greenhorn, but I don't see why I should care if the alphabets involve themselves in orgs. We've got a literal cointelpro playbook at this point and, what, they're gonna stop you from all the insurrectionism you're already not doing?
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 No.176974

>>176859
Could be they adopted gay rights in the 90's and the 05 thing was just reasserting their commitment too it.
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 No.176976

>>176965
During the Cold War, they would send so many into the organization that it would become overwhelming. I think Lenin made a point of forcing any glowies to do the party's work as a condition of membership
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 No.177201

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>>176847
>I'd say we're pretty decent. If you're looking for a CP with less drama and more level-headedness, we're your folks.
I'm reminded from the character from La Chinoise who is mixed up in an ultra-left group that eventually collapses, and he's like: well, I suppose I got as much out of that as I was going to get, so I think I'm gonna just join the PCF and see where it goes. Then someone shouts "revisionist!"

>>176906
>You should get on the CPUSA 2036 bandwagon unironically, snatching the idea from Haz and turning it towards something real.
I want to be the aesthetic guy, but instead of Haz's thing where he has 360 n0scope lazer tanks, I'm going to promote socialist realism.

>>176976
>During the Cold War, they would send so many into the organization that it would become overwhelming.
I read that former CIA director John Brennan voted for Uncle Gus back in the 70s, and when asked about it, he was like "oh, I was young and angry about stuff happening in the news." When I read that, I thought, there's no way that's true. If he made it to the top job, he has been an agency guy for life and probably joined while in college and was on the career track. I don't know if he went to any meetings, but I can imagine he joined to learn about Marxism because it was during the Cold War, and if you're going for a career in intelligence, you need to know about that stuff for analytical reasons.

The funny thing is there are still some conservative boomers who also read the same story and think this means the CPUSA secretly controls the government and is pulling the strings.
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 No.177436

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>>176853
Y'know a funny thing about the CP is all the ways that the feds tried to kill the party. One of their most successful was to create front-orgs claiming to be "Anti-Revisionist Marxists" and then push the line that the CP was revisionist and probably a federal honeypot.
The point being, while I might disagree with groups like the PSL, until they start throwing around accusations that everyone else is a fed I'll assume they're earnest in their intentions for the sake of solidarity.
>>176906
Dunno who Haz is, but we're really dedicating ourselves to rebuilding. I've seen swathes of new clubs and YCLs opening up, we've become more financially stable, and we've had some moderate success in local elections so that's gonna be our push. I'm hoping some investments of mine pay off so I can help fund the party.
>>176976
It was a bit of a joke in our party that you could always tell who the fed was by their dues never being late.
>>177201
lol, I still need to watch that film. All I know about it is the still of that girl covered in blood and hiding behind a fort of Maoist literature.
Also I don't think he ever joined the party, just voted for Gus as a protest vote. After Watergate a lot of people threw their votes our way because they were so disgusted by the level of corruption in the government.
But yeah, a lot of Boomers think that somehow means he was a secret Marxist agent who'd infiltrated the notoriously left-wing Central Intelligence Agency.
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 No.177462

>>176847
>>175072
What kind of work on the ground does the CPUSA actually do these days? I'm currently committed to another org but I'm sympathetic to CPUSA and am not against joining in the future if it seems okay, but I am very concerned by the fact that it has historically been a honeypot, and that I don't see much on the ground activity from them, whereas the orgs I'm involved in put a lot of emphasis on basebuilding.

I am also concerned with democratic centralism. I think it is an appropriate model for when your party is illegal or during time of war, but I dont think its appropriate in our current context to forbid criticism of central committee decisions.
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 No.177607

>>177462
Well, lots of work! I believe we've been pretty heavily involved in tenant unions these days. Also a lot of the BLM protests and progressive policy campaigns.
As far as Democratic Centralism goes. Some of the older party members are kind of stuck in their ways, but we don't have a cultish attitude of "DON'T YOU EVER STEP OUT OF LINE!" if that's what you're worried about. Hell, arguments about our party line and debates happen all the time.
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 No.177888

Hey out of curiosity, not that it matters at all, why does CPUSA envision a multiparty electoral system after a supposed socialist revolution? Wouldn't having one party rule, or even a zero party rule make more sense?
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 No.177905

>>177607
>but we don't have a cultish attitude of "DON'T YOU EVER STEP OUT OF LINE!" if that's what you're worried about. Hell, arguments about our party line and debates happen all the time.

To what extent are public debates or disagreement with party policy allowed outside of formal party channels? Of course I wouldnt expect open denouncement of the party and leaking serious information about internal disputes to be tolerated, but if the party leadership takes a stance on some particular issue that I disagree with, I wouldnt want to have to defend that position or refrain fron criticizing it outside of the party.
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 No.177915

Gus Hall was a Fed designed to keep the CPUSA going to justify J Edgar Hoover's funding.
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 No.177930

>>177915
This type of thinking can only drive you to just being apolitical out of fear of all knowing glow men.
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 No.177932

>>177436
The movie is the perfect companion to "Crisis of Petit-Bourgeois Radicalism." You could watch the movie and have a reading group on that piece and it would totally synchronize.
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 No.177934

>>177915
If we liquidate our orgs, then the government will have no way of justifying its inflated budgets, and then you know what happens next? That's right: COMMUNISM
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 No.177968

>>175072
Gus hall really looked like an eastern bloc politician ,how did they manage to make all ml politicians look similar
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 No.177980

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 No.177981

https://www.cpusa.org/article/its-time-to-run-candidates-a-call-for-discussion-and-action/
It’s time to run candidates: A call for discussion and action
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 No.177983

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Hey CPUSA Anon, have you read Andrew Hemingway's Artists on the Left: American Artists and the Communist Movement, 1926-1956 (2002)? It's practically the only book-length study on marxist art history/criticism in and around CPUSA's various organs at the time. I'd be interested in finding scans of it. Does the party have any resources on the John Reed Clubs, American Artists' Congress and other cultural programs? Hemingway's book is mostly confined to New York, but CPUSA's stake in the art industry once stretched all across the country.
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 No.177987

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Hi, CPUSA Anon. I was just thinking of you. I don't agree with the CPUSA's position on the Democrats but you're a very intelligent poster. I'm glad you're back.
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 No.178005

>>177915
Gus shot at scabs and was arrested for allegedly trying to bring parts to make a bomb to striking factory workers. You can say a lot about him, but I don't think you can say he was a fed.
>>177888
Our party is dedicated towards developing an American tradition of Socialism. Part of that, we believe, is maintaining and expanding on our national tradition of multi-party democracy. While there is value in one party states, and we certainly acknowledge the great success of the Bolsheviks and Maoists, their socialist movements emerged in countries radically different from our own.
If I can speak about our own country, it's that Americans tend to be fairly libertarian, we have a mistrust of authority, and we tend to be extremely partisan. An American Socialism, then, would reflect this diverse, partisan, and liberal society. After all, if the dictatorship of Capital can maintain its rule for centuries, even with various parties vying to manage the dictatorship, then there's no reason the dictatorship of the proletariat can't manage something similar.
How would this look? I can't say. I personally imagine us having a parliamentary democracy, with various parties forming coalitions to better represent the diverse nature of America's proles, but that's just me.
>>177905
Generally speaking our party doesn't censure its members unless they're wholly out of line. For the most part older Comrades explain the thinking behind our present party line in an effort to educate younger members, though there's still plenty of internal debate (mostly around our controversial stance when it comes to the Dems.)
For the most part the younger generation has been gaining a lot of ground. We've successfully pushed for us to run candidates once more. The YCL is militant and radical. All in all it's mellow.
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 No.178016

>>177987
Thanks! I apologize if my posts are a little less intelligent rn.
Been sleep deprived lately, my workload has been getting busier, and I'm trying to grow a YCL chapter out here on top of it all. It's been keeping me busy.
>>177983
I haven't read it, but I think you can find a lot of historical resources of ours on People's World, also some books on the subject might be on International Publishers.
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 No.178018

>>178005
>it's that Americans tend to be fairly libertarian, we have a mistrust of authority, and we tend to be extremely partisan
I get the mistrust of authority, but most people don't vote and don't think about politics, the superstructural stuff you're responding to and trying to make this new thing out of is largely petit-bourgeois response to its own government. I don't think Americans are anywhere near as libertarian as you think, it's more like "rules of law for thee, not for me".
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 No.178080

>>178016
Last I checked, International Publishers doesn't have anything except on the Mexican Muralists (cool but inadequate) and there are a handful of articles on People's World that make passing mention of the JRCs AAC, etc.
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 No.178178

Newly joined the Swedish communist party (SKP). Feels great being organized and actually doing stuff rather than just slacktivisting and watching yt.

Atm there are a lot of (quite boring) meetings, but it's soon to be congress so I guess it's much more than usual.
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 No.178272

>>178213
No, this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Sweden_(1995)
There is some kind of rivalry between the two that I don't understand. Something about opportunism ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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 No.178278

>>178272
Better decision.
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 No.178315

>>178278
I like how theory is held to high importance here. The party holds a course in communism that is open for everyone, that you need to take to become a member. I have recommended that course to many friends, it's really good.

For any anons in Sweden, I can really recommend taking that course. It is held online, and is kicked off whenever more than 5 people have signed up. It has practically been going on non-stop since last year.
https://skp.se/kommunistisk-grundkurs/
(Just send a message to the mail address on the page, and they'll get back to you when the next course is about to start)
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 No.179191

>>178080
I really wish I had something for you comrade :c
If I free up tomorrow, I'll see about talking to some other comrades about it. Down here in LA we have an art/video studio we're working on. I like to joke we're gonna Make Hollywood Red Again.
>>178018
I think it's important to note that the characteristics Socialism picks up is in no small part influenced by the circumstances of its birth. In Zizek's introduction to Mao's "On Practice/Theory" he compares it to the development of Christianity, in part thanks to the missionary efforts of Paul and the circumstances of each regional "sect" of the wider Christian movement.
In America, I think the party is correct in believing our Socialism will probably trend towards being more "liberal", not in economic policy so much as in its social and political framework. It will be birthed from the experiences the masses have with America's flawed, bourgeois republic.
State-Socialism in the U.S. is an interesting thought experiment, not the least because the most dominant strain of Socialism in America has been either Utopian or Anarchist. Yet the most curious thing of all is that, for a while, whether you were an Anarchist or a Leninist, Socialists of all stripes here stood together. Regardless of whether they called themselves syndicalists, AnComs, or what have you.
It's a unity that we could really use again.
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 No.179240

At least on the electoral front, I’d like to see some more solidarity in parties and organizations supporting each other. Would nice to see more options than the PSL and Green Hippies being the only option.
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 No.179257

>>179240
Are Greens really THAT bad? I vote for them every presidential election but never really looked into them but I thought Howie Hawkins was definitely better than Jill Stein at least ideologically
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 No.179261

>>179257
>Are Greens really THAT bad?
Not at all, it's mostly a media smear. In fact most past leaders, while not as radical as Hawkins, are now lining up behind the eco-socialist platform revised in 2016. Even including David Cobb is speaking at the upcoming Post-Capitalism Conference.
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 No.179388

>>175072
I thought the CPSU was dead
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 No.179392

>>179388
*CPUSA
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 No.179393

This probably shouldn't just be a /CPUSA general/

Tell me anons, what orgs do you have experience with? What did they do that you liked? What was the weirdest shit you saw happen?
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 No.179439

Did he write anything worth reading ?
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 No.179573

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I am the main election organizer for this year for a region in a socialist party and I have been doing org work for around 3 years.

Ask me anything.
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 No.179582

>>179191
>Down here in LA we have an art/video studio we're working on.
Well I'd be interested in exhibiting if that's something y'all intend on pursuing in the future. As far as I know, LA has basically supplanted NYC as the fine art capital of the US for a couple decades now. I feel like communists should be talking more about the Larry Gagosians of the world.
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 No.179599

>>179582
Also I can't recommend the Andrew Hemingway book enough. A lot of people treat the rise of the mid-century New York art scene as if it were conjured up out of thin air, without opposition or critique; when it's mostly the opposite that's true. It was really interesting to read about tensions between the regionalists (who hailed my neck of the woods) and the more, arguably "city slicker" proletarian artists associated with New Masses et al.
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 No.179603

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 No.179620

>>179393
As my name suggests. I do not live in the US. So telling what org I work with would potentially dox me. I am in the party list in this election. I can just say that it is a revolutionary socialist party which has representation in parliament.

What I like about them is mainly their internal democracy. By having a good internal democratic system it gives the members just enough representation to make them feel like they can change the party, but not so much that it overburdens the casual members. However this has been a bit shaken up recently. Also most if not all top candidates in the lists are members of the working class, not academics.

Weirdest shit? There is a rumour that the youth wing of our party killed a sheep in the island where we have our summer conference. I have yet to confirm this rumour however.
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 No.180164

>>179573
which party are you apart of?
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 No.180275

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>>179240
Totally agree.
To be honest I had an idea a while back about a kind of coalition of third parties. At the very least, a successful third party electoral campaign will need to attract as broad a segment of the population, stealing certain elements from the Ds and Rs coalition, in order to be successful. I figured we could at least get some support for non-traditional left wing voters by being libertarian on guns and drugs.
>>179392
Nope, we're alive and growing! I think we had a few couple thousand members last year alone.
>>179393
>This probably shouldn't just be a /CPUSA general/
I don't want it to be. Everyone is welcome to submit info. It's just I'm only really organized in the CPUSA and I don't want to speak on behalf of a different party and misrepresent their positions :c
>>179573
What are some of the tactics you've used in organizing? What's some advice you have? What do you think is the most important resource in running a successful election campaign?
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 No.180291

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>>180164
If I told you I could get doxxed, so I cant tell. It is a revolutionary socialist party however. No worries about that.
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 No.180306

>>180291
Tell it NOW!
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 No.180310

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>>180275
Tactics? Mainly mass line by Mao is the most useful. I have described this in an another thread, but being able to pick up what issues your community faces and then being able to demand and act upon it towards its legislative body is very important.

Advice? It depends on your situation, but being able to unite different interest groups in a socialist party is vital to maintain the revolutionary spirit and to gain momentum

Most important resource? Manpower. Having people do to things is VERY important if you want to do effective communication. Also a good logistics, but that comes more naturally as you go along.
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 No.180312

>>180291
understandable mate
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 No.180314

>>180306
I actually have a funny story with a potenial glowie which I posted back in bunkerchan if you want to read that. I have it archived
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 No.180317

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 No.180343

>>180333
holy fuck i remember this ahhahahahah
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 No.180406

>>180333
>too many requests from your IP
https://archive.is/C6pVs
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 No.180548

>>179261
The Green Party has gotten more based and has gotten rid of a lot of the libs in the party holding it back. Still, I’d like to see a viable Marxist alternative rather than the Green party and CPUSA and the PSL, which aren’t that great.

Like, the Green party I think won mayoral races in the Bay Area and Illinois with populations in the tens of thousands, which is nice. I know from reading on the PSL website that they’re running their own candidate for the first time in years outside of California for a Midwestern college town.
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 No.180551

>>180333 did you dick her lad? This is crucial info to know
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 No.180554

>>180333
speaking of old events, does anyone have screencaps of that forged antifa letter that was sent to right wing media?
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 No.180570

We got a new article out talking about the next steps in building our party. Thought y'all would like to give it a read.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/maintaining-momentum-next-steps-in-building-the-cpusa/

Some Highlights
>Our Party membership has increased rapidly in the recent period and shows no signs of slowing so far. Twice as many people joined the Communist Party in 2020 than did so in 2019. In the pre-pandemic year of 2019, some 1,033 signed up. During 2020, the number of new recruits totalled 2,152. As for this year, it looks like 2021 will be on par with 2020, judging by the numbers so far from January to April.

>We currently have approximately 75 functioning clubs—that is, those that meet regularly despite the pandemic and are active in various movements, such as in support of Amazon workers, Movement for Black Lives, mutual aid, Medicare for All, conducting online Marxist education, organizing on housing issues, Cuba solidarity, participating in study groups, organizing the unemployed, supporting the Poor People’s Campaign, or doing electoral work. A few clubs are even preparing to run candidates.

>We have 8 clubs in the formation stage, mostly in areas of the South where no Communist Party organization has existed for some time. These efforts are most successful in places where we have a seasoned comrade available to participate and help those working to organize the clubs.

>Overall, it’s essential that our Party is an organization immersed in the mass work of our respective communities. All members of our Party need to be encouraged to be a part of working-class and community struggles. As Gus Hall said, “Lose the working-class perspective and you lose your way.”


>The ideas of collectivity and individualism also need to be better defined. We must constantly strive to ensure democratic centralism is functioning in our bodies—which basically means that collective input is the best means of arriving at a decision and, together, all members will respect and implement it.
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 No.180595

>>180570
<5000 new members in 3 years
Not bad at all. My question is: when people join, do they undergo some vetting process?
And after it, is there some formation to turn them into valuable cadres?
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 No.180620

>>180333
that was 1000% a glowie
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 No.180719

>>180570
>>180595
This, it's dangerous to get blinded by pure numbers.
Make sure to put energy towards internal education.
Teachers can hold courses on communism, both basic for newbs and advanced for members.
Having gone through a basic course or something should imo be a prerequisite, as it ensures the people who join are more serious and don't just disappear off the face of the earth after a month.
Our party also always vote for new members to join after having gotten to known them.
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 No.182401

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>>180551
Sorry to dissapoint, but no. I dont want my dick to glow in the dark
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 No.182406

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>>180620
Maybe? I do remember she said that she stopped an Azeri org (probably funded by the Azeri state) here from putting official advertisements without me even knowing that Azeri org had such a plan to begin with. So she has definitively some glowey tendencies, but which side she is on. I do not know. Not yet at least.
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 No.182775

>>182406
did you met her? you do realize she is trying to recruit you right? prlly not glowy herself but a glow asset still do not fuck her thats the worst thing you could do
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 No.182843

>>180333
sounds like she was one of those people who indirectly glow, the ones working for NGOs and such who may not even realize it but are basically doing work for glowies
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 No.182993

>>180570
Do you have more exact statistics of party membership currently? An exact membership amount as of 2021 or 2020?
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 No.183044

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>>182993
I don't believe so, no. Not the least because we may or may not have some "quiet" comrades who may or may not be in unions, religious institutions, and government and we try to protect their privacy. Hypothetically speaking.
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 No.183110

>>180570
>5000 members in three years
thats some impressive growth for a communist party holy shit
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 No.183112

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>>183110
You ain't seen nothing yet…
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 No.183130

>>183112
Based. I am part of the IMT here in Canada solely because they are the largest, fastest growing party and the only ones still making moves. Membership has quadrupled in the last 8 years or so.
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 No.183144

>>183130
The masses are waking up.
I've shown my membership card to a few young people at work. They've basically said that since Bernie lost and Biden's some old fuck they're really considering joining. Trying to push them over the edge and get them to commit.
As far as YCL activities go, Amazon is a terrific place to focus on organizing the workers, if only because its so fucking Orwellian.
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 No.183153

>>180570
Can you be in both the CPUSA and the DSA?
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 No.183162

>>183153
Why not?
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 No.183163

>>183153
>>183162
The DSA has rules against being dual members in a demcent organization.
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 No.183169

>>183163
But the DSA isn't a party..
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 No.183170

>>183163
Really, I Googled around and I can't find any strict bylaws
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 No.183173

>>183170
Yeah, it's basically a "No trots allowed" sign.
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 No.183174

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 No.183175

> Members can be expelled if they are found to be in substantial disagreement with the principles or policies of the organization or if they consistently engage in undemocratic, disruptive behavior or if they are under the discipline of any self-defined democratic-centralist organization. Members facing expulsion must receive written notice of charges against them and must be given the opportunity to be heard before the NPC or a subcommittee thereof, appointed for the purpose of considering expulsion.
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 No.183176

>>183163
Just join both wtf is stopping you, unless you tout it on Twitter or something they are not going to notice
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 No.183178

>>183175
>they are under the discipline of any self-defined democratic-centralist organization.

alri
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 No.183183

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>>183175
>some socdem faggot says "NOO YOU CANT JOIN OUR ORG AND CPUSA NOO"
>you just follow it cuz it's da rulez
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 No.183189

>>183153
We wont have a problem with it. The DSA has rules against it, but they've been so completely inundated with new members that I'm sure there's clubs out and out run by us. I know in Orange County they work with us quite a bit on things like mutual aid.
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 No.183193

>>183189
>know in Orange County they work with us quite a bit on things like mutual aid.

Kind of crazy how single DSA chapters can vary on the degree of their radicalism.
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 No.183198

>>183193
The org is so decentralised that it is more of an umbrella than anything. IMO it's a good thing: keeps it from being destroyed by a scandal like ACORN was.
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 No.183203

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 No.183205

>>183198
what the fuck was ACORN anyway? i've only heard about it because of project veritas, im too much of a zoomer to know anything more
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 No.183208

>>183205
Org that went out and registered huge masses of voters to fight (mostly Republican) voter suppression tactics.
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 No.183216

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>>183205
Note that when ACORN is spoke of on this board outside of this context people are usually refering to a completelly different org. Just so you don't get confused down the line.
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 No.183224

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HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN JOIN CPUSA

I CAN'T WAIT TO GET THROWN IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP


ALSO MY LOCAL DSA SHARED THIS IS THIS BASED?
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 No.183235

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>>183193
It's the end result of being an inherently liberal (if still progressive) org. You'll likely find anarchists, communists, maoists, ultra-leftists, all adjacent to SuccDems. The fact that a good portion of those Succs aren't committed ideologues just means they're really incapable of resisting subversion by committed Marxist cells.
Plus, young people just aren't scared of "Big Red" anymore. Even most of the SuccDems I've met think of us as, at worst, friendly eccentrics and at best an option if they can't even get the most moderate kind of reforms.
>>183224
cpusa.org/join
And I hope the camps have movie night.
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 No.183245

>>183189
My local DSA chapter has some dual-carding CPUSA members and I don't think anyone gives a shit.
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 No.183581

>>183112
Extremely based, hopefully the trend continues and the cpusa becomes even larger and more powerful.
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 No.183720

>>183715
Poor choice of words but it seems clear in context that this is referring to social liberalism.
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 No.183725

Any suggestions on what to join in the US midwest?
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 No.184249

>>183715
The position the org takes isn't necessarily how things will work out. We support a multiparty socialist democracy because that is what would appeal to most Americans and best falls in line with our country's political culture. Actual material reality may change this when revolution comes. We might end up being some kind of one party or coalition controlled state. We can't predict the future so why not present a possibility that appeals to most American? At the very least we can point to that when some lib tries to scaremonger by saying we want a party dictatorship.
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 No.184251

>>183725
CPUSA and FRSO are active in the midwest.
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 No.184284

>>183715
As >>183720 said, that was a poor choice of words on my part. I wrote it in between puking my guts out (think I caught a bug or something) and I hadn't slept the night before.
Anyways, American society has existed under liberal ideology for centuries now, and to a far greater extent than Tsarist Russia or Warlord China had. The result of this would likely be a certain expectation that political parties, even in a socialist America, would continue to exist and we likely wouldn't be a one-party socialist state.
Of course, this is expected as a natural outcropping of a socialist revolution, rather than something our party is actively trying to enforce. As it stands, it's more or less a promise from our party to the American people that we aren't trying to become tyrants or secure power solely for ourselves, we want to serve the people, not to rule them.
Either way: >>184249 phrased this better than I could hope to.
>>184251
I got a lot of respect for the FRSO. I hope our orgs can work closer together sometime in the future.
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 No.184992

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>>182775
Most likely, I am keeping my out, but I have not seen her in a while so I feel I am safe for now.
>>182843
She said she mainly does work in NGO so I think you are spot on.
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 No.185000

Hey CPUSA anon, Is CPUSA active in the south and if not, does anybody recommend any other groups? Mainly talking about Texas though
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 No.185018

>>185000
CPUSA is growing in the south. We are in the process of forming a party in Alabama. I know there are members in Texas, but I'm not sure what cities they are situated in. CPUSA Anon probably has a better idea of this than me.
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 No.185034

>>184284
>Anyways, American society has existed under liberal ideology for centuries now, and to a far greater extent than Tsarist Russia or Warlord China had. The result of this would likely be a certain expectation that political parties, even in a socialist America, would continue to exist and we likely wouldn't be a one-party socialist state.
>Of course, this is expected as a natural outcropping of a socialist revolution, rather than something our party is actively trying to enforce. As it stands, it's more or less a promise from our party to the American people that we aren't trying to become tyrants or secure power solely for ourselves, we want to serve the people, not to rule them.

would you say this is the general position within CPUSA? honestly sounds like a breath of fresh air compared to the LARP i usually see among the left, even if im doubtful that a socialist state could be established without a preexisting horrific crisis that would already make bourgeois democracy fairly obsolete. but this position seems like a sober consideration of the circumstances as they exist in america
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 No.185216

>>185000
I believe we're growing pretty heavily in the south, as >>185018 said we've seen some great growth in Alabama and we do have members in Texas. Since the CP has historically done a lot of activism in the black belt, we've still got a lot of ties down there, which is why I think we're growing so immensely.
>>185034
So given our party is as old as it is, one of the ideas pretty instilled in our culture is to reject petite-bourgeois radicalism, that is, this idea that we can somehow force the revolution to occur through individual effort, and that failure to achieve revolution is a failure of the working masses. One of our older comrades explained it to me succinctly: "We want to meet the workers where they're at […] sometimes the most radical thing you can do isn't the most radical thing you can say."
This logic has its up sides and downsides. A lot of more radical marxists will call us revisionists or say we've betrayed the revolution or what have you. However we're trying to become a movement of America's working class, and this means trying to apply Marxist-Leninist principles to our circumstances, rather than hoping to shape our circumstances to match our beliefs.
Overall, we're pretty chill to be with. I think our party tends to be the levelheaded and working towards actually productive goals.
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 No.185746

So I’m a communist that actively works in DSA and my local chapter. Why should I bother reviving a (frankly) dead org that isn’t even all that much more radical than DSA when it would probably be easier and more efficient to just turn DSA into a genuine socialist org?
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 No.185751

>>183163
Only technically. In practice, it is something that you absolutely can do and something that happens very often
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 No.185755

>>183189
I know leaders in DSA’s International Committee who are card varying CPUSA members
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 No.185767

>>185746
I think you have to make up your own mind and decide for yourself, but I think that any real revolutionary potential will bubble up from the masses independent of what any nerds like us think is right.
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 No.185769

>>185767
>>185767
In all honesty, there isn’t really anything stopping me from doing both so like
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 No.185776

>>185746
You do you, boo-boo.
That aside, to make a case for my party (since that's what I imagine you're writing about), the Communist Party is explicit in its goal of creating an independent mass party of the working class, we've been growing immensely the last few years, we have our own history and tradition, with a lot of older and more experienced Marxists that can mentor younger members, we have international recognition and still send delegations to Cuba, the DPRK, and China. Finally we're organizing to run candidates separate from the Democrats whereas the DSA still desires to work totally within the Democratic party.
Finally, I'd say we're pretty level headed. We avoid petite-bourgeois radicalism and have been able to keep our heads above the muck of online leftism.
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 No.185787

>>185746
To be quite honest DSA is set up to be sheepdogs for the Dem as much as the CPUSA is as of now.
The difference is that the latter have a slightly higher probability of stop acting as such.
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 No.187269

>>185787
I wouldn't exactly call us sheepdogs, as controversial as our stance on the Dems are. But I totally understand why you'd say that, and part of what I've been pushing with our recent push to grow our electoral presence, is that we need to be more confrontational with dems in solidly blue states.
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 No.187282

>>185746
You shouldn't, the CPUSA made their bed when they adopted that disastrous Popular Front strategy in the '50s. Though I am skeptical about the potential of turning any arm of the Democrat Party into something genuinely radical. The Green Party has more potential than DSA in all honesty.
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 No.187297

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>>187282
>the CPUSA made their bed when they adopted that disastrous Popular Front strategy in the '50s.
Uh, do you mean the 30s and 40s? That's when we had a popular front with the dems in favor of the New Deal, and even then it was with some prodding from Stalin.
By the 50s the Red Scare was in full swing, and the CP was running its own candidates. When we didn't, we'd of course advocate for Americans to vote Dem (if in no small part because the USSR rightly saw the GOP as being crypto-Fash) but it was hardly some united front.
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 No.187310

guys what is the best non PSL, non DSA org in florida
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 No.187314

>>187282
CPUSA's popular front strategy dates back to when Earl Browder was general secretary and oversaw the party through the Great Depression / New Deal era. "Communism is 20th Century Americanism" came from that; y'know with portraits of Lincoln next to Lenin. This sentiment has clearly been picked up by the DSA in all but name in recent years, and if the so-called "Green New Deal" gains momentum, then you can bet your ass the Green Party is gonna make the same mistakes.
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 No.187320

>>187314
>Lincoln next to Lenin
cringe, should just purely use figures from this country don't inject Marx or Lenin faces into it
eugene debs was a good figure
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 No.187324

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>>187310
Depends what you're looking for really. I think there's a Hoxhaist party down there, "The American Party of Labor" or something along those lines. They seem to be pretty smart.
FRSO has done a lot of really good work, but I don't know if they're active in Florida or not.
Finally there's the CPUSA, I think we've got a few comrades out there.
>>187314
>>187320
It was a different time.
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 No.187326

>>187314
>you can bet your ass the Green Party is gonna make the same mistakes
Highly unlikely considering it has leaders like Hawkins who actually know the history of socialist parties:
https://isreview.org/issue/107/case-independent-left-party

If there's one thing the Greens have never been, it's lesser evilism apologists telling people to vote Dem.
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 No.187328

>>187269
You should do so also deep red ones anon.
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 No.187337

>>187297
>When we didn't, we'd of course advocate for Americans to vote Dem
And it's exactly this sort of petty sectarianism, telling people to vote Dem when other further left candidates on the ballot just because your own party personally didn't field any, that makes so many American left parties completely irrelevant jokes.
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 No.187356

>>187320
Whether or not it's possible to inject Americanism into party optics is something that interests me as a working artist. Debates surrounding that were happening back then too (see: New Masses' harsh criticism of the Regionalists).
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 No.187358

>>187337
I was the only one in my county to vote PSL last year; one out 64 in my entire state.
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 No.187362

>>187358
Huge cock is not a mainstream treat indeed
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 No.187370

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>>187337
Unfortunately with how America's democracy presently exists currently there's only two results in a national election: The Democrats win or the Republicans do. You could say that we should advocate people vote for other Left parties running candidates (of which we might not even be aware of) but unless there's a decent chance of them winning then all that would result from that is a few good relationships with other leftists, but nothing in the way of us interacting with the wider working class.
Like that's the thing, even if you manage to get all the Left organizations in America to band together and back a single candidate, you'll end up with something like… 1% of the overall vote? Not enough to shock anyone, but surely enough for dems to point to and say "Look, if they just voted for us we could've stopped Trump/Bush/Reagan!" And while we may recognize that these figures only have a little difference from the Democrats, the masses don't.
So that's what we're stuck with; either Dems or the GOP will win elections, until we have a mass party of the workers capable of dragging American society to the left. Continuing to engage in electoral campaigns at least allows our cadres to gain skills that can better benefit the party. So while assisting other leftist orgs might be nice, it doesn't really present much of a material benefit.
>>187358
Good on you, Comrade c:
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 No.187378

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>>187356
Obligatory "freak out the normies" depiction of futuristic American communists in a 1980s Reagan-era TV drama. It's what happens when the reds finally crush the American spirit!
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 No.187654

I like the idea of combining American and general communist imagery. Figures like Lincoln are universally praised so integrating figures like him into our image seems like a good idea. It also annoys the right which I find endlessly amusing.
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 No.187773

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>>187328
Oh we're planning on it, we've got some comrades in "red" states after all. I wrote an article a while back saying that the party should begin organizing in America's rural (usually "red") hinterlands.
>>187378
>>187654
Ehhhh I used to really like the idea, however it also risks alienating people. We shouldn't imagine an aesthetic alone would convince people of the good Communism will do for them, however the "Anti-Americanism" of petite-bourgeois radicals is just (if not more!) alienating. A lot of younger members in the party find it tiring/unproductive.
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 No.187838

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>>187773
Oh I want to emphasize that I posted the images from the show Amerika as a joke, I just think it's funny because of how over the top it is. I also think it would alienate people, and I think those images with Abe Lincoln and Lenin are pretty bad. I don't like them because of the (far right) source the artist copied and added communist symbols to. I don't know what the artist's intention was but it doesn't feel natural to me, or maybe it feels a bit too self-aggrandizing with some generic populist slogans on it.

I'm thinking the main thing is just to be professional. Even "business-like" and, well… modern. And not to be afraid of looking modern or even futuristic. Haz has the right idea here but his version is too aggro and he kinda blew himself up on the launchpad. I'm posting some Chinese stuff and I'm not advising that people "steal their look" but it's funny too because they'll do 19th century steampunk one second and then have this Gucci-style hammer and sickle. There's always something you won't expect. The CPUSA has always had a great logo, in any case.
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 No.187856

>>187654
Yeah.. I'm not too keen on hamming up Browderite aesthetics any time soon. When I first saw these >>187773 I had to do a double take as at first I thought they were Patriot Front material. The more I read about CPUSA-adjacent art criticism from the 1920s-50s the more evident it's become that a compromise between "100% Americanism" and "Proletarian Art" never fully congealed. Much of that was due to New Deal programs like the Federal Art Project disrupting the means with which artists funded (and ultimately expressed) themselves, and the other was due to just good old fashioned sectarianism, lol.
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 No.187868

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>>187856
>The more I read about CPUSA-adjacent art criticism from the 1920s-50s the more evident it's become that a compromise between "100% Americanism" and "Proletarian Art" never fully congealed.
I'd like to read about that. I've read through some old copies of the Daily Worker that were on Marxists.org as pdf scans and it was pretty interesting. But it looked like a "normal" newspaper for the most part. I also like to look at communist stuff from other countries and it's interesting what they'll do. This website here are Indian leftists who I think are related to CPI(M) and their offices were actually raided by Modi's goons recently, but it's just a normal website.

Attached a pic of another news site by the KKE. I've found that news is so important, just being able to get accurate information about events, and right now we're just in this process of rebuilding that after the reversals of the 20th century.
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 No.187889

>>187868
>I'd like to read about that.
I've already mentioned Andrew Hemingway's book. Scans are available here but they're kinda blurry: https://archive.org/details/andrew-hemingway-artists-on-the-left-american-artists-and-the-communist-movement-1926-1956/
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 No.187902

>>187328
West Virginia, Idaho and maybe some Bible Belt states could definitely use a tactful presence
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 No.187906

>>187889
Also just a forewarning: I've had this suspicion that part of the reason why marxist art history and criticism has been so dead in recent decades is because the field has been utterly dominated by the "Anti-Stalinist Left" or Trotskyists, basically? This should become apparent once you read the introduction. Hemingway really likes the Federal Art Project; he talks about it in a recent article here:

https://www.artforum.com/slant/andrew-hemingway-on-cultural-democracy-and-the-new-deal-art-programs-82962
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 No.187909

>>187902
I would leave alone just the battleground states for now. Any other place should be fair game
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 No.188171

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A reminder that SYNA is an active and independent ML youth organization. We have chapters all over the country and are growing fast. We need a government of action to fight for working families.
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 No.188178

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Recreation of "Is Colorado in America"!
But for Florida instead.

Bet CPUSA Anon will like this one. Only threw in a FRSO mention on his endorsement. Also I can maybe do some tweaks if anything's too clunky, but I might not care to.
Font is "Imprint MT Shadow", sizes 18 through 20 in Paint.NET, (perhaps subpar) partial sources below.
https://ghostbin.co/paste/a7do
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 No.188184

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>>188171
>We need a government of action to fight for working families.
That's right Caleb
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 No.188185

>>188178
That's pretty good
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 No.188188

>>188171
>ML youth organization
The LARPest of LARP.
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 No.188189

>>184284
>the people
Is this burger for proletariat?
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 No.188194

File: 1619222799522.png (62.71 KB, 1036x1087, Is Florida in America 2.png)

>>188178
probably easier on a printer, I don't actually know the best ways to optimize ink/paper but there was an attempt
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 No.188205

>>188188
Hey, CPUSA reestablished the YCL last year (or the before that).
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 No.188207

>>188205
*the year before, fuck
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 No.188214

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>>188194
something like this not the worst idea
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 No.188245

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 No.188266

>>187370
This is incoherent bullshit,

>interacting with the wider working class.


How are you reaching out to the 'wider working class' by working within the party of capital & the Pentagon?
You're not putting to the fore anything independent from bourgeois politics, you're just functioning as the priests of capitalist ideology.
The party is supposed to represent a radical break with all the ideas and politics of bourgeois society.

>And while we may recognize that these figures only have a little difference from the Democrats, the masses don't.

So that's what we're stuck with; either Dems or the GOP will win elections, until we have a mass party of the workers capable of dragging American society to the left.

Your paternalistic attitude towards the abstract 'masses' is imbued with a conciliation of the interests of the proletariat with the progress of capital. 'To the left', the move from liberalism to communism is as smooth as that in your mind, which just corroborates my charge against the CPUSA as advancing nothing but the interests of capital.

>So while assisting other leftist orgs might be nice, it doesn't really present much of a material benefit.


You nicely summed up the role of your party as part of the left-wing of capital and by extension the state. It's only concerned with advancing plans in favour of the development, progress of capital and the 'common welfare', stability of capital (even though you may champion these cowardly concessions made extremely late as 'gains').
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 No.188328

>>188266
Kinda based ngl
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 No.188378

>>188266
Posting from my phone on my lunch break, so my reply will be brief. Your post reeks of the kind of petite-bourgeois radicalism endemic to the western left. You’re angered by our party line not being vocally radical enough so you assume we must be agents of capital. You don’t make a single productive point yourself, or mention that you’re a part of any other org, which leads me to ask: what the hell have you done for the movement?
Because our comrades are out here feeding the homeless, supporting union drives, and running for office. I’m trying to organize Amazon workers and bring them into the party. What have you done, at all? When we have the numbers, I intend to start organizing mutual aid in devastated rural townships, meanwhile you’re doing what?
Cause critique is easy, but action is what’ll determine who’s right. There are enough communist parties out there, that there’s room for any possible line you’d want, and history will be determine who was right.
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 No.188394

>>188378
Wanna follow this up by saying that there’s plenty of left parties out there that hold your stance on the Dems and electoral politics. It doesn’t seem to be doing them any good.
Finally, history tends to show that rather than the moderate voices in the room being agents of capital, it’s usually the loudest. The feds have a history of promoting “Marxist” orgs that criticize us as revisionists. Even the non-fed “radicals” usually become cynical conservatives down the line, such as Eldridge Cleaver.
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 No.188400

>>188378
>There are enough communist parties out there, that there’s room for any possible line you’d want, and history will determine who was right.
The backbone on this guy… is good. Shows conviction.
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 No.188419

>>188400
I’m an introvert and a bit conflict averse, but part of the discipline the party expects of us is a willingness to stand by our beliefs.
The fact is that the Vanguard of the proletariat will be the party that is the most successful. If someone feels our line is wrong, they’re welcome to join a different party they think will be successful.
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 No.188421

>>188419
So is your line determined at conference or something?
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 No.188427

>>188378
You're very silly trying to equate me with 'western petite-bourgeois radicalism', even though the CPUSA is indistinguishable from Peronism, or whatever retarded 'patriotic' progressivist hybrid (bordering on the line of fascism!) . There's nothing Marxist about your party, you promote a programme in favour of the development of the national capital, in favour of the cooperation of all (or almost) classes for the supposed 'common good of society' (class collaborationism) with no shortage of patriotic gestures.

You manage to push me into some demonised, hated label in order to zone out of the true thrust of my argument. You can do all the charity work your heart desires, just know that you're no different from the Vatican and act accordingly instead of waving a red flag around and loosely using 'petite bourgeois'.
You know what's really petite bourgeois here? Someone flaunting his great bourgeois ''professionalism' and humanism and thinking that hitting all the nice heart strings will dissipate all those painful 'theory' issues.

>>188394
Abstentionist position is the only one consistent with Marxism in the current conditions.
>The feds have a history of promoting “Marxist” orgs that criticize us as revisionists. Even the non-fed “radicals” usually become cynical conservatives down the line, such as Eldridge Cleaver.
I'm not criticizing you for being 'revisionist', I can see how a Stalinist can go down the conservative pipeline easily though. I'm saying you're a falsifier of communism and simply no different from the Dems, or even some fascists, something which you took great pains to ignore and instead chose to call me a 'glowie.'
It's all good now, your consciousness is clear because you can safely call me a 'glowie', 'mossad', or whatever ridiculous shit you people will churn out to ignore the dreaded 'theory' problems.
You should know very well that a party that adopts bourgeois theory is going to be nothing but bourgeois in practice.
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 No.188461

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>>188427
>You can do all the charity work your heart desires, just know that you're no different from the Vatican
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 No.188469

>>187310
Black Rose is good, at least from what I've heard in South Miami. PCUSA Florida also exists, if that's your thing (they're on Instagram)
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 No.188477

>>188469
South Florida*
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 No.188490

>>188469
>>188477
WTF is Black Rose? I even searched some key terms, nothing. What is that?
Are PCUSA active in north or central Florida? Everything seems to happen in Miami area other than some DSA shit and some IWW/IWOC organizing (the latter I definitely need to check out perhaps).
I don't have anything terribly against working in an ML org, not preferred but can beggars be choosers? Though I have a specific distaste of PSL as semi-alluded to before
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 No.188493

Oh, Black Rose Anarchist Federation. I didn't even know that existed. What's up with them?
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 No.188512

there's some sort of organization in south florida but central florida is one of the most reactionary hellholes in america, the "conservative" talk radio very openly speaks fascist rhetoric, it's pretty jarring.
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 No.188535

>>188512
Just as there are turbofascists reacting to their environment out in the most liberal states, there are turbocommies out in the reactionary-dominated 'hinterlands' (as one particular CPUSA lad likes to refer).
Though whether my area counts as that I don't think so. I'm not in central though
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 No.188557

>>188427
That you’re flagrantly throwing around allegations of fascism as well as misrepresenting our party’s position suggests to me that even if you aren’t a glowie, you’re acting as a useful idiot on their behalf. You aren’t arguing in good faith, and while you could have a point about abstention, you could point to the half a dozen micro parties practicing it, and failing.
In short, you aren’t worth further replies.
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 No.188577

>>188490
Black Rose, also called Rosa Negra, is an anarchist org
https://blackrosefed.org/
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 No.188751

>>188577
I haven’t had any personal experiences with Black Rose but it’s nice to see anarchists get some representation. Best of luck, Comrade!
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 No.188761

CPUSAanon, wtf does the party even fucking do on a regular basis? Are they active in the greater Nor Cal region at all?

I'm realizing my life has no meaning, so I might as well join a political movement for a failed ideology I guess so I'm caring less and less that it's a fed honeypot or whatever

idk
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 No.188762

>>188178
Insanely good, but i believe $15 min wage already passed in Florida via ballot initiative iirc.
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 No.188777

>>188214
Please do it anon
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 No.188778

>>188378
>>188394
Still your association with the Dems makes you appear as a less fortunate version of the Dsa currently anon. Hope you consider this.
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 No.188782

>>188378
>>188778
CPUSA Anon roughly how many members does it have roughly? Since the wiki article has 12,000 members in 2017 but the Peoples world says 5000.
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 No.188784

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 No.188792

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>>188761
>I'm realizing my life has no meaning, so I might as well join a political movement for a failed ideology I guess so I'm caring less and less that it's a fed honeypot or whatever
Your life is plenty valuable, Comrade. Just undervalued under Capitalism.
As for what our party does on a regular basis, I can't exactly speak for our NorCal comrades, but we've been in the process of rebuilding our party. Likely you can find some work building a local YCL, or a community food garden, being a part of local activism as a ML and try to push fellow activists towards Marxism. If you're more of an introvert, then we could always use additional People's World authors, or people interested in writing pamphlets for us.
Regardless of what your skills are in, we can find a place for you, Comrade.
>>188782
I don't know the exact number, myself. Our membership is something we try to keep close to breath.
>>188778
Oh I do, anon. Trust me, from a personal point of view I'm disgusted with the democratic party. And I've been advocating within the party that we cut ties with the dems and take a more confrontational stance in our electoral campaigns. Still, we'll see what comes of it. The younger Comrades despise the Democrats on a visceral level. The older ones are apathetic towards them. We'll see what the next few years bring.
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 No.188809

>>188792
>I don't know the exact number, myself. Our membership is something we try to keep close to breath.

True It's good you do that considering how much red-baiting would occur if we saw the numbers and their increase, look at the DSA's articles on Rightoid sites, they have all the information.

https://www.keywiki.org/Democratic_Socialists_of_America
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 No.188819

>>188784
Around 10000 prolly is the most correct estimation.
Good that you keep hidden the numbers though.
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 No.188825

>>188792
Based anon.
Start with cutting ties with Dems at the local level (small cities/city council races), then go slowly all the way up to Congressional/State level.
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 No.189224

Does anyone here have experience with PCUSA? Thoughts?
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 No.189254

>>188809
>>188819
Honestly my dream is for the party to be successful enough that I'll be dragged before a senate committee and interrogated.
>>188825
I think that's the current idea right now. We've had some success in municipal elections, though of course getting to congress will require a lot more infrastructure and some capital (of which I'm hoping some investments of mine pay off so I can offer the party some serious funding) but its only a matter of time.
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 No.189280

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>>189254
>Honestly my dream is for the party to be successful enough that I'll be dragged before a senate committee and interrogated.

you have to be careful with your wishes, considering the speed at which socialistic ideas and parties are swelling It might happen sooner than you think. Considering also that rightoids plan to redbait for votes.

>House Republicans' 2022 strategy to beat Democrats: Target "socialist agenda" and "job killing policies"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-republicans-strategy-2022/

>Also the rightoid website has very detailed info on the DSA even map's, luckily it's out of date since the DSA's membership has doubled since then.
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 No.189292

>>188762
They're trying to poison the result in the legislature I believe, I think I linked something about it in the ghostbin
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 No.189302

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Why don't any American "communist" organizations call for the dissolution of the United States and the return of all stolen land to the indigenous people?
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 No.189310

>>189302
IDK. Why didn't the Bolsheviks call for the return of the entire Siberia to the natives?
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 No.189314

>>189280
>you have to be careful with your wishes, considering the speed at which socialistic ideas and parties are swelling It might happen sooner than you think. Considering also that rightoids plan to redbait for votes.
Funny enough, red baiting is an issue that some of the Boomers are concerned about, but the younger generation is having none of that. One of my comrades in the YCL said that if people accuse him of communism he'll just say "Yes, and…?"
Me, I try to do things differently and talk policy. If rightoids try to hit me with the "but that's socialism!" accusation I try to force them to debate the merits of central planning. They run off scare words, not actual policy.
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 No.189356

>>189310
they where hecking chuds!
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 No.189359

>>189302
Because that will never happen?
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 No.189751

>>188557
I only made the allegation of fascism because you threw it around first, don't play stupid.

>misrepresenting our party’s position suggests to me


Let's take a quick view at CPUSA programme to see who's really being dishonest here…

>The Communist Party, as part of the developing all-people’s front to defeat the extreme right, participates fully with the labor movement and its allies in building a strong people’s electoral force. Communists fight for expansion of democratic rights, including the participation of working people not only in voting but also in running for office and decision making at every level, whether local, state, or national. The Communist Party’s approach to people’s electoral politics reflects our view that the current stage of struggle requires an all-people’s front to defeat the extreme right and requires within that front a strong and growing labor movement, Left, and Communist Party.


The CPUSA is not just a 'worker's party' but an 'all-people's front', meaning the bourgeois also, the party's main concern is with 'defeating the far-right'. Does it differentiate its practice from this all-people's front?

>The aim of working-class struggle is to subordinate capital to the will of labor.


The CPUSA tells us that the aim of the working-class's struggle is not to abolish capital but to 'control it'. The goal of communists is not to control
capital but to abolish it. Only through the petite-bourgeois mystification of 'democracy' can capital be 'controlled by' labour'

>Extreme right political dominance threatens the vast majority of people in this country—even including some sectors of monopoly capital—and very broad unity is both possible and necessary to bring about a major political shift…. (Democratic struggle) is the path of curtailing the power of the monopolies. In and through the democratic struggle, the class struggle advances toward victory. Democratic struggle is the way to bring the working class and people’s forces to the brink of socialism… The struggle to defend and enlarge democracy in every realm of life is therefore the only path to socialism in our country—any other path will fail and is politically indefensible.


This 'democratic struggle', which was vaguely differentiated from the 'class struggle' (conceived in the most vulgar fashion), is by the genius of the CPUSA turned into the struggle for socialism itself. The democratic struggle is the bourgeois pipedream to perfect the state-machinery, democracy. Furthermore, it's made plainly clear that this democratic battle is the battle of one section of capital against another, but through the twists and turns of morality and the constant evocation of a 'far-right' threat, even dreaded 'monopoly capital' becomes a possible ally of petite-bourgeois 'socialism'!

>Socialism would not do away with small businesses or family farms. Small business owners, professionals, and farmers, who currently suffer from the heavy hand of monopolies, are important potential allies of the progressive majority even after the advent of socialism.


It's made very plainly clear that the CPUSA isn't just a 'worker's party' with 'progressive allies' but the party of the petite-bourgeois. Socialism is defined in the most 'inoffensive' way possible to show that the CPUSA is solely interested in 'saving capitalism from itself' and paving the way for its progressive growth by destroying the power of 'monopoly capital' and not capital itself, and perfecting the existing state-machinery. The working class is portrayed as a part of this positive development of capital and not its rupture.

>The only strategy capable of defeating the extreme right’s implicit and explicit drive toward fascism is the widest possible organized unity of all class and social forces whose interests run counter to those of the most reactionary section of the transnationals. . . This unity will include an ever-growing Left-Center political coalition that includes the Democratic Party base, left and progressive independents, independent parties who recognize the danger the extreme right poses, and all the progressive social movements on the major issues of our day.


The petite-bourgeois party delineates its class enemy as being, not capital, but as 'monopoly transnationals' (only the bad ones though). Its fight is not in the interests of the working-class against private property but for the 'popular interest' and 'democracy'. Socialism is the defence of the interests of small capital against 'monopoly capital'. The working-class, therefore, will have to play the role as cannon-fodder in this crusade for the sacred rights of small business, democracy, and progress.

>The extreme right includes the military-industrial complex, the oil and energy industries, and the pharmaceuticals. It also includes sections of the high-tech industry, finance capital, massive manufacturing corporations, and distribution giants such as Wal-Mart.


>Once the power of the corporations is broken, the vast majority of the country can use the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, a Socialist Bill of Rights, and local governments to build real democracy and equality.


This reformist crusade against inefficient, wasteful 'monopoly capital' will end in the perfection of the existing state-machinery, i.e demoracy, comically enshrined as the 'socialist bill of rights'.

We can see that the CPUSA can be called nothing but the left-wing of capital, while also being so flexible as to allow any section of capital. It sees itself as functioning in the greater interests of capital and in only perfecting its machinery.

The perfection of the democratic state, the battle of the 'people' (petite-bourgeoisie) against 'globalist monopoly capital', the introduction of 'worker's democracy' (or what it should be termed, class collaborationism), overall the integration of the working-class to capital, these are all closer to the tenets of an early Fascism then to Marxism.

A full analysis can't be made here but I have pointed out some crucial points about the supposed 'communism' of the CPUSA.(user has done nothing but criticize anyone actually doing anything in bad faith)
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 No.189775

>>189751
>The CPUSA is not just a 'worker's party' but an 'all-people's front', meaning the bourgeois also, the party's main concern is with 'defeating the far-right'.
I've noticed this is actually a theme in party materials going back to at least the W. Bush era (don't know what they were up to in the Obama years)
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 No.189881

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>>189751
>'worker's democracy' (or what it should be termed, class collaborationism)
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 No.189898

How many of yall are FBI informants lmao
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 No.189901

>>189898
Everyone is but we all give random infos to the Fbi. Its like reverse Blanquism
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 No.189922

>>189302
Idealist and unmaterialist. Cringe dumb guy
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 No.189965

>>189881
it's literally fascist corporatism
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 No.189983

>>189881
You can generally tell glowies by the fact they’re the first to criticize and the last to offer anything constructive. I’d just ignore the guy given he’s not offering any alternative org to join. His talking points could be written by the ad-hoc committee for how sus his critiques are.
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 No.189990

>>187838
Well, in the case of CPUSA we apparently have members that work in marketing doing our graphics. Probably best to let the professionals work out what appeals to most people.
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 No.190004

>>189983
>poointing out cpusa is not even communist
>omg this is so sus I wonder what his motives might be wow
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 No.190010

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 No.190016

>>190004
It’s not that he’s critiquing the party that’s sus. It’s that he’s not offering any actual solution. If he were to say “well this is why I think the APL is a better party” then he’d at least be contributing to the convo.
Instead he’s accusing us of being fascists while not offering any alternative or constructive. Like if he wanted to point people to the FRSO that’s be something, but he isn’t. The end result is it seems like he’s more concerned about people joining the “wrong” org than pointing people to the right one.
That’s why I’m pretty sure he’s a fed. That was the ad-Hoc committee in a nutshell. Ruthlessly critique the party from the left but do nothing constructive.
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 No.190020

>>189983
Nah that's total cope on your part.
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 No.190033

>>190027
Did your script break?
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 No.190036

>>190026
I assure you, I’m eagerly awaiting you to mention a single alternative party. Since you’re concerned about the correct party line after all.
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 No.190037

>>188782
We grew by about 2000 last year and based on the amount of growth we've had this year it looks like we are going to keep up that trend. There was an estimate of total membership mentioned in a discussion with the co-chairs a few months ago, but I don't want to repeat stuff I only heard internally.
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 No.190041

>>190033
Looks like Langley still has total tech boomers.
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 No.190047

>>190016
idk what that anon thinks or if he supports any other org I highly doubt he is a fed and even if he is is not like he is wrong but like you guys could just stop being classcucks bro like wtf I’m sure there are many commies in the cpusa so I don't really see no point in having a non-communist class colaborationist party
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 No.190059

>>190027
Lol, I can't believe an actual fed was possibly shitposting in the thread. This is gold.
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 No.190062

>>190047
>class colaborationist
Stop using words you dont understand faggot
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 No.190063

>>190047
I feel like the party is moving away from that and I think running our own candidates under the CPUSA banner is a step in that direction. I think people will be happy with where the party is going even if we don't go ultra-left like some people seem to want.
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 No.190064

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When u run into a fed on leftypol
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 No.190066

>>190062
how is this not class colaborationist you retard?
>The only strategy capable of defeating the extreme right’s implicit and explicit drive toward fascism is the widest possible organized unity of all class and social forces whose interests run counter to those of the most reactionary section of the transnationals
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 No.190067

>>190063
bruh america is literally destroying itself and you are worried about being an ultra holy fuck
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 No.190072

>>190066
Wait, I haven't been following this this reply chain very closely. Do they actually say that somewhere? Is CPUSA genuinely still wedded to that fucktarded popular unity strategy decades after it allowed the Democrats to take over, co-opt, and destroy unions? In a period of incredible contempt for mainstream politics, this position is a guarantee of irrelevance.
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 No.190075

>>190072
all that he >>189751
quoted seems to be real you can read the context on the link tho
https://www.cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/
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 No.190078

>>190067
I don't think we are even close to how bad things are going to get. We can get more militant with our rhetoric and approach when that approach actually aligns with the feelings of the working class. Calling for protracted people's war and other weird stuff ultras do isn't going to endear us to anyone except twitter leftists.
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 No.190085

>>190036
>i dont electoralism
<well mention a better party then!
i dont think reading is your strong suit anon
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 No.190108

>>190047
Gotta be brief cause I’m about to get off my lunch break.
I get your concern, and this may be one of those divides between the younger communists and the older ones. The logic that I’ve seen expressed is that, given the petite-bourgeoisie are the mass base for fascism, by not being put and out hostile to them, we can prevent them from jumping at the first fascist they see to protect them.
As for us being “class collaborationists,” the party is first and foremost a working class party. However I think they recognize to some degree that all these populist upsurges of recent years (going back even to the WTO protests at the turn of the century) contain an element of “productive” or “little” capital based on land and production that are being squeezed out by massive firms and financial conglomerates. While they aren’t socialists themselves, they can at least make themselves useful by supporting a campaign against larger capital.
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 No.190122

>>190085
…are you trying to imply having any party or organization in general is electoralism?
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 No.190311

>>189314
>Funny enough, red baiting is an issue that some of the Boomers are concerned about, but the younger generation is having none of that. One of my comrades in the YCL said that if people accuse him of communism he'll just say "Yes, and…?"
I'm not in the party but I think you might want a unity between these things where you marry a strong set of principles with caution and flexibility, because I think the older generation is right to be worried about red baiting, and they're aware at how vicious our enemies can be, and the younger generation can be naive or too ambitious (to the point of recklessness) to the extent that you think you have some momentum or some kind of coalition going and that is just going to continue in a straight line upwards, but that can flip around on you just as fast.
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 No.190329

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>>190108
Back from work. It was a pain in the ass but I've been really motivated to do an in-depth reply.
So, the Petite-Bourgeoisie. The potential base of any fascist movement. How do western leftists deal with them? (inb4 "the firing squad") Well I think this question goes back to the issue of how to organize communists in the west. The sad truth is that Capitalists pushed their worst excesses out of sight, in the third world, while in the first world we only have to deal with the dystopic stagnancy of a dying neo-liberal order. Where do the Petite-Bourgeoisie fit into all of this?
Well as noted a few times by others (I've heard Matt Christman mention this often, Bad Empanada kinda skims over it in his video on neoliberalism) the rise of neoliberalism in the west has been followed with rampant financialization of capital. Suddenly it seems like our countries don't physically make things anymore, merely handle the logistics of distributing and consuming commodities.
Now I'm of the mind that one of the most important aspects of budding class consciousness is the standardization of wages and a type of laboring whereby the proletariat is disciplined to act collectively. This is why, to some extent, middle income professionals can taint socialist movements with liberalism or even reactionary thought: their manner of work, what they engage in day in and day out, is this atomizing thing where they're not laboring collectively, but instead competing with their coworkers for promotions and bonuses.
By engaging with their fellow workers collectively, first in labor and later in struggles such as union building, the working class disciplines itself and fosters class consciousness that begins to saturate all of society.
Now, I'm getting off-track: back to the petite-bourgeoisie. America's class of little-capitalists were won over by Trump and Trumpism, in no small part because he spoke to the economic devastation suffered by them in particular and offered a truly petite-bourgeois solution: tariffs, lessening immigration, and at the least he pissed off those limp wrist liberal elitists who turn their noses up at them.
The little capitalists are feeling the squeeze of neoliberalism now, and while one could think this means they're being proletarianized and could develop class consciousness, I think there's a horrifying possibility that they're just going to end up lumpens: addicted to opioids and watching their communities slowly die. After all, the nature of our current economy is that you can either slave away at a service job that barely pays you a wage to afford rent, or you can try to ascend to the "coastal tech-bro" strata of middle-income earners, or you could just up and fucking die.
When we run for office, and when we talk about our policies, I'm of the opinion we need to hammer home peoples' material needs: we need to re-industrialize the country. We need to give the great mass of citizens in our country housing, healthcare, and employment. Its only natural that when promising these things, certain elements within the petite-bourgeois will be attracted to it. While we could take the moral high ground and disregard them, by at least tolerating them (but only by inches) we can tear the foundations out from under the fascists, while setting the board in the prole's favor.
Of course these are just some random, scatter-brained thoughts of mine, they may not be what the national committee was thinking.
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 No.190554

>>190078
>We can get more militant with our rhetoric and approach when that approach actually aligns with the feelings of the working class.
not even reading Lenin, in the ML party?
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 No.190559

>>190554
This is mass line at its finest. Which is ironic given the anon rejects PPW.
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 No.190595

Is FRSO worth joining? They're gonna do a demo in my area so I was wondering if it would be a good idea to join in
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 No.191246

>>190595
They do good work in the student movement and rallying against police brutality with other communist parties like the WWP and CPUSA. They’re very much active in doing real work on the ground for the communities they organize under from my experience. They also have a unique line of being very much supporters of autonomy for the black and Latino communities in the US.

A blemish I see in them is that they have contradictory beliefs on events outside the US. They offer support to both the NPA, guerrillas in the Philippines, and China as socialist examples to defend even though they are opposed to one another and China is currently not on the path of socialism by any means. They also endorsed Biden, which from further research is based around the national leadership’s beef with the PSL.

I mean I’d definitely check them out and see how their local branch is. What is unique about them is that apparently there’s some variation amongst different branches due to their history.
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 No.191259

>>190554
Stalinists tend to do that, yes.
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 No.191279

>>190559
I've been trying to study the mass line for my YCL activities. Got any links, Comrade?
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 No.191692

>>191246
Damn I just read their statement on the 2020 election, it's confused as hell. Choice excerpts:
>The upcoming election are in essence a referendum on the past four years, and we hold that it is important that everyone who can vote do so – and that you vote against Trump. The defeat of Trump and his ilk will create at move favorable context for the people’s struggle to advance.
>That said, we need to proceed with our eyes open and that ability to distinguish friend from foe. The cold fact of the matter is that Biden is not a champion of working and oppressed people. He never has been and never will be. He is a tired, old corporate politician. While many are challenging police crimes and seeking community control of the police, Biden says he wants the police to have more resources. When Joe Biden says he is not a “radical socialist” he is telling the truth and he is telling us that he is not part of a real solution to the problems people in this country face.
>In the U.S. today, both of the main political parties serve the rich and the powerful. For example, one of the one of the reasons that current economic crisis is going to be so devastating is that Democrat President Bill Clinton carried out the largest single attack on the social safety net ever – his so called welfare ‘reform.’ We need something better. Something like the “radical socialism” that Joe Biden wants no part of.
https://frso.org/statements/trump-must-be-defeated/
So it's imperative that socialists vote to get Trump out of office (which obviously means to vote for Biden), but also Biden is an enemy of socialism? I wouldn't even mind them telling people to vote for Dems if they had an actual argument to back it up, but instead they basically argue against themselves.
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 No.191713

>>191692
It's nothing but spineless mealy-mouthed gibberish. A number of other socialist parties and orgs without presidential nominees had the balls to endorse Howie Hawkins. CPUSA and FRSO didn't because they're totally detached from working people and want to have their cake (pretend they're too cool for electoral politics) and eat it (relevance and respect from the left and disillusioned by giving people an alternative to the world's oldest capitalist party). I can respect wanting to abstain from electoral politics (though I think it's foolish), but you can't pretend that in doing so you earn the relevancy of other parties who don't. Making apologetic acrobatics for the Democrats is the worst thing you can do and earns the respect of no one.
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 No.191718

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Anyone know of any good orgs in the Houston area? DSA chapter is too succdem for my taste from the little experience I have with it.
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 No.191719

>>191718
This Please
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 No.191724

>>191718
Check out the Houston Green Party and report back. I've heard some interesting things about them. Houston was where their presidential nominating convention in 2016 was when they finally voted to be an officially anti-capitalist party.
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 No.191736

>>191719
Fellow HTown anon?
>>191724
>green party
Excuse me for being skeptical but I wouldn't equate the green party with a socialist party.
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 No.191743

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>>191736
Why exactly?
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 No.191745

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>>191713
>A number of other socialist parties and orgs without presidential nominees had the balls to endorse Howie Hawkins.
We got some real Che Guevaras over here!!!
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 No.191750

>>191745
Pretty sure Che wasn't a petty sectarian.
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 No.191751

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>>191718
I think you have a lot to choose from.
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 No.191832

>>191750
Hey now, no need to fight.
I can totally understand people being angry with our stance in 2020, and the FRSO’s similar stance. While I disagree with them, I know where they’re coming from.
I think we worry too much about electoralism personally. As it stands the left is disorganized and scattered in the west. Whether a line is right or wrong will be determined by whichever party becomes the strongest in the future.
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 No.191849

>>179573
How come in my country (canada) I've never heard of any of the orgs around here, and when I looked into joining one I had to look it up.

On top of that when I got in contact with them it became clear that their main activity involves reading groups (irl i guess before covid but zoom now) and some lame protests occasionally.

How come these people seem to be completely ineffectual at actually doing anything? I'm sure there are lots of people who would jump on to help with a good plan, aren't ML's supposed to be big brained and analyze history to find ways to get to socialism?

It's very frustrating becoming a leftist and not seeing any way to contribute to something that actually gets results.
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 No.191857

>>191743
interesting, maybe I'll show up to a meeting and see what's up.
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 No.191862

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>>191849
did you contact us? >>183130
cadres are knowledgeable at least and workers outnumber students by a lot. it's the best you're gonna get here, for better or worse.
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 No.191888

>>191862
No haven't tried IMT. I'll get in touch.
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 No.191911

>>188751
I haven't personally met them and I'm not an anarchist, but I just know through my org that they do some amazing work in Miami
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 No.191913

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 No.191915

>>189224
A member of my DSA chapter is also a PCUSA member. He's a bit larpy but there's not enough of them in the area for me to really get any impression at all.
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 No.191949

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 No.191974

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anybody got the rest? I remember an anon made a pdf for p much all leftist parties on da usa
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 No.191997

>>191974
Socialist Alternative is no longer a party of CWI.

CWI split, predictably enough, into three factions.

Committee for a Worker's International who were the real initial splitters despite retaining the original name ironically enough. Sperged out over some feminists in Ireland. On the other hand, it has the Socialist Party of England and Wales, which used to be Militant, and is the Trot organization around which CWI formed to begin with.

International Socialist Alternative is what was left of CWI after the split and has most of the international parties. This is what the American Socialist Alternative is now a part of.

International Revolutionary Left is a bunch of Hispanic Trots who all call themselves "Izquierda Revolucionaria" and just really enjoy splitting.
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 No.192000

Has anyone ever thought of joining an org affiliated with Caleb Maupin?
Seems like a good idea at first but the rest of the leadership at the CPI for example is just a bunch of boring clowns
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 No.192003

>>192000
No, I've never considered joining an org affiliated with a retarded Dengist who wears a suit to bed at night.
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 No.192040

>>191832
Still, endorsing Joe Biden instead of just being quite about it is a blemish.

What’s worse is that CPUSA exhibits an almost slavish simping for the Democratic Party’s electoral prospects by believing in inane conspiracy theories pushed by the Democratic Party. Like how the Green Party are unknowingly Republican plants and that makes it ok if they are unfairly purged from the ballot.

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/republican-election-sabotage-scheme-using-wisconsin-green-party-fails/

I mean, exactly what difference is there from joining the DSA or the progressive Democrats than CPUSA? How is it that a green party is more militant than a communist party?

>>191692
Although at least for the FRSO, they actually exhibit more militancy than the PSL in them being active in struggles against police oppression. Look up the Tallahassee 19 on their website and it’s clear that they’re a very militant party aside from endorsing the Democratic candidate. Adding to this is being on the front lines in Illinois and Florida against civil Liberty drawback legislation and the Police. It’s a very contradictory line that they have.
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 No.192066

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>>192040
>In 2016, Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein garnered 30,000 votes in Wisconsin; Trump won the state by 23,000 votes.
Oh wow they actually implied it, didn't they? When you reach a level of sectarianism that you actually throw cover for the Democrats with spoiler arguments.
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 No.192075

>>192040
>It’s a very contradictory line that they have.
I was reading Earl Browder's "People's Front" which was the book laying out the argument for backing FDR in '36 and it was just the same then, although Browder seemed more of a meathead with lines about how if you don't vote for FDR except-we're-not-officially-endorsing-him then the fascists were going to shove you in a concentration camp, which, well… maybe that would've happened but I dunno.

The FRSO might justify their position because of the CPC-KMT alliance in the 30s and 40s too, which is different… somehow? But it's the same logic that all traces back to the same source (Stalin). I'm pretty indifferent to electoral politics though.
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 No.192098

>>192040
People's World isn't really the official line of the CPUSA, though, and John Bachtell has always been a lib.
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 No.192104

>>192098
>served as national chair of the Communist Party USA from 2014 to 2019
>always been a lib
Not a good look.
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 No.192111

>>192104
Well, he was voted out.
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 No.192118

>>192111
If only that happened to Yeltsin.
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 No.192119

>>192111
And what about everyone else who voted him in in the first place?
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 No.192126

>>192119
They voted him out.
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 No.192137

>>192126
Yes but the rot still remains doesn't it? The party is full of frauds/morons who thought it was acceptable to nominate a liberal as chair of a communist party in the first place.
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 No.192149

>>192137
What exactly are you expecting? Oops, our party chairman turned out to be a huge liberal, better disband the whole fucking party because that means we're all "the rot" for having voted for him. Something like that?
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 No.192150

>>192149
literally yes, didn't Stalin teach you anything?
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 No.192152

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>>192150
lmao okay
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 No.192377

>>191974
requesting this too
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 No.192779

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>>192104
>>192111
>>192137
Gonna take a controversial opinion here. John's done some good work in the past, and I think he was the guy who recruited Tupac into the Young Communist League back in the day.
Are his takes liberal? I mean maybe, yeah. He did, however, lead the party out of the Sam Webb era. Joe and Rossana have done great work further committing us to orthodox Marxism-Leninism, and the stage is set for whoever comes after them to continue this trend of growth and ideological commitment.
For as frustrating as some of the party's choices have been, they've undeniably made strides in the correct direction, and with the rebirth of the YCL we have a more militant and radical cadre of Communists keeping up the good fight.
I ain't too worried about our future.
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 No.192915

>>192779
>I think he was the guy who recruited Tupac into the Young Communist League back in the day.
Wait, Tupac was in the Young Communist League? I didn't know that. But that's pretty cool.
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 No.192919

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 No.192952

>>192915
I didn't know this until recently but CPUSA membership is apparently quite secretive on average, like if someone is a known member it's because they go around telling people.
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 No.192956

>>192919
holy shit
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 No.192974

>>192915
I remember there being a video of him where someone asks him what he's been reading and he said Stalin
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 No.192979

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>>192974
found it; sorry for low res twitter rip
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 No.192993

>>192979
>how to win every argument
wtf I love sophists now
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 No.193020

>>192979
ohshit. as a non-burger I understand why he was murdered now.
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 No.193030

>>188178
For the florida one you could maybe talk about how they made mandatory penis inspection a real thing
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 No.193035

>>189751
Hey bud you forgot your flag, lucky for you I brought an extra one
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 No.193047

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>>192915
Yep, and I think it was John Bachtell that recruited him.
See, I can kind of get where the boomers in the party are coming from. For a while they outnumbered all the younger folks, the Soviet Union was gone, we were running around like chickens with our heads cut off. I think some of the changes that were made reflect what a lot of our older Comrades thought was necessary given the period of extreme crisis after the fall of the USSR, and the other changes… well, I suppose part of it has to do with a lot of these people having families, kids, grandkids. Some are in the twilight years of their lives and while they aren't as militant as they were, they're still active. They're still keeping the flame alive. Hell, I think we have a comrade who's a 100+ still doing mutual aid!
The point being, they've done what they can to keep the dream alive. Even if there were some missteps. I have faith in the younger generation of Comrades, and the lessons we've learned, the infrastructure we built, it'll all come in handy when our time comes.
Which it will.
We're in an era of profound capitalist crisis. The system has shown itself to be unwilling to endure the short term pain of reform. Trump had accelerated the division of our country along partisan lines. The libs went further left. The rightoids went further right. Biden is deluding himself if he thinks he can mend the rifts in our society. Less young Americans have faith in Capitalism or Empire, because it hasn't fucking delivered.
We're gonna run candidates. We're gonna win. We're going to get stronger until we're marching over the hollowed out carcass of an impotent political establishment, and America is going to go Red.
Interesting times ahead!
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 No.193177

File: 1619474203430.webm (1.47 MB, 700x416, caleb maupin best out the….webm)

>>188378
>history will determine who was right
You saying this reminds me of vid related.
Who "wins more people over" in history doesn't necessarily signify a really capitalism-abolishing movement, and in fact it's quite easy for a social democrat to win plenty over (and thus potentially lead a movement which could take over society's levers, but then change too little).
We see Bernie Sanders could have won, if he did he would have made some nice changes, but he was not a communist and he would not have abolished capitalism.

One may notice your party appeals to many of the exact same things a social democrat does. Not necessarily a bad thing in itself (I did it up-thread in my propaganda albeit directing readers to join a socialist organization afterward). But don't be thinking your ability to project mass appeal is a good in itself, in the face of criticism. Communists are meant to be trailblazers, and educators… ideally. No?
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 No.193671

>>193047
CPUSA anon is one of the best posters on this site.
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 No.193678

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 No.193799

>>193177
Lol Bernie wasn't winning shit.
Anyway posturing as a radical means nothing. People will support parties that say that they're going to do something, not who has the best aesthetics or gives them good feelings. It doesn't mean you're totally going to win if you have the right platform - when push comes to shove, the politically active generally agree with liberal/conservative shit, even if they say they hate the duopoly. There is the potential now for a very large break, but you have to contend with the very large police and education machine that permeates everything in this society.
The only thing that can be done now is to prepare for the onslaught. It's very clear ruling class wants a one-sided class slaughter, and any communist party worth its salt is going to want to stall that onslaught for as long as possible and disrupt by any means necessary the organizations and forces in society that are in favor of the onslaught. Part of that would require recognizing the very, very vast failures of the left thus far and not doing the same shit, and not getting caught up in the stupid narratives we are told.
I've maintained for a while that nothing can happen without something new, something hitherto unknown. It probably has to start in America, because the other countries are either not going anywhere or they are subject to way too many external forces to make a serious independent push in the world.
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 No.193855

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>>193671
Awww thanks. I don't think I'm the best poster on here though, not by a long shot. I can write some flowery prose here and there, but there's way better posters on /leftypol/ you can learn from.
>>193678
Lol, I can see how you'd see that, but I couldn't post a single sentence to save my life.
>>193177
I've spoken to Caleb online a few times, he's a really great guy and it seems like his heart is in the write place. Jason Unruhe is a pretty chill dude, too, from my limited interactions with him.
Anyways to address your wider point; I broadly agree. And the threat of any Marxist-Party going SocDem is a real one. However I believe that the threat of us being liberalized via mass appeal will be determined by a few factors: such as the groups we try to appeal to, our sources of funding, and ultimately how we'll govern once in office. As of now we're funded entirely by our own membership (and I hopped on the GME bandwagon, so I'm hoping I can make some more dosh for the party) and we're active primarily in low-income neighborhoods and working class protests. Like that's been the goal of the party: to seek out the working class. I suppose I'm an outlier in that I'm on here trying to win over actually committed leftists, too.
One of the things I've been pushing for the national committee, and something I'd try to do if I end up running in an election in the future, is advocate for central-planning. Maybe piecemeal at first, such as what the EPIC campaign tried to do back in the day, maybe voluntary collectivization of small business; if only to show people we're not some alien, statist entity.
Anyways I've rambled on a lot. I really appreciate your critique and its given me a lot to think about. Marxism-Leninism, after all, is more than just a passing dogma. It's a breathing theory. Critique just makes us stronger.
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 No.193862

>>193671
>>193678
CPUSA Anon is a very good Poster. Some would say he's even as good as King Lear Haha.
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 No.193919

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>>193678
Lol I'm the Graph-anon and cliodynamics anon and I can prove that to you, by posting my graphs.
>>193862
What happened to king Lear?
>>193855
CPUSA Anon, the Communist party is planning to run candidates, but they're obviously not going to go all out and instead select competitive races. But does the CPUSA have a statistical expert or a demographer ?, since those things would help identify potential receptive areas.
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 No.195180

>>193919
Y'know I'm not sure if we have a stats expert. But if this is something you want to help us with, you can always send one of our chairs an email! It'd be a big help, Comrade :D
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 No.195203

>>195180
How bad was the endorsement of the democrats for the popularity of the CPUSA? I heard members left because of it
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 No.195215

>>195203
Wasn't PCUSA formed in 2014 because of trends in the party pointing to that?
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 No.195419

>>195215
Considering the things which have happened since, I wonder if a reunification between CPUSA & PCUSA could occur. I know PCUSA is more ML-y than CPUSA even today though.
P.S. I'm the ancom flag from earlier in thread, they finally added my based flag.
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 No.195431

>>195215
BY the way, according to some things I heard what had happened was the PCUSA people were "rebelling against democratic centralism" by trying to turn the party more to a communist line than it had been following previously, and as such were expelled from the party. I'm not a member of either but this is what I heard online.
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 No.195586

>>195203
>>195215
>>195419
>>195431
So that was a bit before my time, though from what I gather part of the blame for that falls squarely on Sam Webb and his atrocious leadership. He was trying to take the party in a EuroCom direction and was eventually expelled from his leadership position after running the party kinda dictatorially.
As for them merging with us today, who knows. We've seen a lot of old comrades (including some who gave up their membership in the 70s) return to the party and we've absorbed a lot of micro-parties too, I believe our Long Beach YCL had absorbed a Maoist party that split during one of their struggle sessions. So I could see them coming back in the future.
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 No.195620

>>195586
It would probably help revitalize the party overall, up-thread it was mentioned that PCUSA is apparently active in South Florida. That would be a good help to revive the party here, as it seems to be kill.
I don't know if PCUSA have had a terrible amount of success on their own either so far
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 No.197261

>>195586
I wonder if Sam Webb's actions are what lead to the party setting up co-chairs. I certainly like it more this way.
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 No.198482

>>197261
That's what I suspect, personally.
>>195620
If they want to get in contact with us, I'm sure we'd be happy to have them back.
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 No.199121

So I just found this guy's YouTube, he puts out some pretty cool content.
This that "CPUSA 2036" thing I keep hearing about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e5YmbdZlcE
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 No.199134

>>199121
No the CPUSA 2036 thing came from Haz, a member of Infrared podcast/network.
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 No.199748

>>199134
Any link to where he mentions it?
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 No.199866

>>199748
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQp1N8ksQDA&list=PLAJIhnd1mbiD4JdPj7DndVRj3UPN8PzQZ&index=7

It's actually the title of one his streams shitting on the Infrared generals here a couple months ago lol
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 No.199867

>>199866
Here's a more recent (and relevant to you) stream highlight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4g2J6i4MxQ
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 No.199870

>>199867
Don't mean to shill, but their pilot episode with cockydooody is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqWXpMFhc0Y
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 No.200002

Is the CPC-ML in Canada gone? I tried looking up their address but all I saw was an abandoned building. I'm talking about the one in Toronto.
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 No.200853

Bump because this is a good thread
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 No.200887

>>200002
they had a small contingent at the Women's Day parade in Toronto, 8 March 2020, so they at least existed for that long. that being said, all of them were boomer leftovers from the heydays of student organizing in the 60s and 70s. i spoke with one of their reps to get an idea of what their platform was… the ten to fifteen minute response she gave me was about as coherent as i would expect from an Alzheimers patient. god bless em but i don't think they have any steam left, regardless of whether their party technically exists or not
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 No.201125

>>200887
Should I join the CPC? I hear they're kinda shitty but I have no where else to go. Every other org/party I've read about is really obscure and basically not worth my time.
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 No.201142

>>201125
i don't like CPC either, but to their credit, they do manage to get a decent amount of fresh blood thru the YCL, so at least they aren't completely falling apart. in my personal opinion, there is no "Communist Party" per se in Canada right now, and you would be better off starting a local independent reading group which could merge into the movement at some point in the near future. but if it's a matter of just not wanting to be in an obscure group, the two least obscure groups you can go for are Fightback and CPC.
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 No.201332

CPUSAanon up answer my question
>>188761

What would I be doing if I joined the party? Is there an active base in NorCal?

I'm really not fucking around when I say my life is basically worthless, I have no real family and no future so I might as well agitate for communism so other people don't wind up like me, glowed up concentration camps and Jakarta esque purges in the coming years be damned
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 No.201443

>>201332
Oh sorry, I thought I did.
Yes we’re active in NorCal. Depending on where you’re situated you could join up with the YCL, where your activities would be pamphleting, maybe working on a community garden, helping the homeless and setting up reading groups.
And your life is valuable, Comrade
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 No.216197

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Searching in Chinese for the CPUSA brings up some articles, a Shanghai paper actually did a big feature on the party recently. But some of the comments can also be funny.

Big feature here:

https://www.shobserver.com/toutiao/html/88290.html
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 No.216982

>>216197
Lol, love the comments.
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 No.217987

Holy fuck. Today I learned that the legendary American commie Gus Hall was a Finn, born Arvo Kustaa Halberg. I know he was an internationalist and I must follow his example, but SUCK IT BURGERS, FINNS RULE!
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 No.218087

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>>217987
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize the /pol/ memes about Finns being Mongolians was not a joke in the early 20th century. Finnish immigrants who worked in Minnesota's Iron Range were treated like "Mongolian" pack mules and were among the most radical.
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 No.218127

>>201125
Thought you were talking about China's party at first
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 No.218141

>>216197
A while back on Bunkerchan I was examining some comments on Bilibili to get an idea of the Chinese perception of the American socialist movement.
They seem to have some glaring misconceptions and it's unironically like they got all their knowledge about it from Wikipedia and tidbits of state media or something. This isn't really that unexpected as we see a near-exact reflection of that in people's perception of China I think. I shared what I found in the /prc/ threads if I remember right so it might be in the archives somewhere.
If you can play around in google translate or whatever and go on Bilibili searching for like "Communist party USA" in Chinese you'll find some gold, it was actually too much for me to bother screencapping and sharing but some of it was funny
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 No.218184

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>>218141
I saw some comments that were pretty realistic about the actual situation, and also savvy views that imperialism rules a revolution out pretty much. But it was fun seeing comments from people who'd go "yeah RED SALUTE the American communists will TAKE OVER and there will be a communist America in the future!" Me: "Uhh… yeah… we're badasses…" We're like a big deal, we've got all kinds of stuff going on, you don't even know. But don't tell the Chinese that we're actually getting our asses kicked constantly.
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 No.218283

>>217987
This only proves my hypothesis that non Nazi Finns were and are among the most based people alive

https://youtu.be/2L-j2K3w0i8
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 No.219493

>>218184
I'm sure some of them get it but also keep in mind I'm pretty sure Bilibili is mostly a younger audience, i.e. they're Chinese zoomers
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 No.219502

>>219493
Chinese zoomers think we're cool. We've made it.

Oh, I've mentioned it before, but I read a CPRF article one time talking about BLM protests, and it described a clash with the police in my city as a glorious victory for the people as we drove off the police with a barrage of stones. Which didn't happen at all. In fact, I was there and "the people" were decisively defeated by the police. But it was nice of them to describe it the other way instead.
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 No.219531

>>219502
Fucking kek that's hilarious
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 No.219551

>>218184
Anon you should get the based chinese to donate to the poor physically, emotionally and intellectually malnurished american revolutionaries. Maybe some of the americans could start going to china to get a real education then go back..
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 No.219567

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 No.219623

>>216197
Said comment is probably making a reference to the famous strategem successfully used over there during the civil war, to "encircle the cities by means of the countryside".

>>218184
Yeah, there definitely are some funny "misconceptions" that are held there, which some multilingual speaking anons perhaps could rectify. Once, there was this one article translated about the Black Panthers, that is, the real group, and commenters below were saying how the Panthers were based, but some conflated incorrectly the movie of the similar title and the actual Panthers, which was quite a little cringeworthy.
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 No.221446

>>219551
>PRC daddy help me please
Inb4 another 1991 rugpull. Stand on your own feet.
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 No.221459

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 No.221484

>>219567
China=Based
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 No.221566

>>219567
im no dengoid but this is pretty fuckin based
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 No.221961

>>221446
>not using absolutely every revolutionary avenue possible
<that's too much praxis, if the praxis goes away you'll be sad when there's less praxis
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 No.221968

>>221961
Have fun eating dirt again
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 No.221994

>>221968
>eating dirt
<welp I enjoyed all the support, back to square one
How horrible.
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 No.222106

>>189254
>I'm hoping some investments of mine pay off so I can offer the party some serious funding
Bros, Why is the CPUSA so petty-bourgeoisie? Even CPUSA Anon is a Porky? I don't think I can join that party, it even is reflected in their class character as a party and their platform. Wow.
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 No.222157

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>>222106
I think the party makes a decent bit of money renting out the lower floors of its building in Manhattan they bought with Soviet money back in the 70s and is worth a lot more now. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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 No.222161

>>222157
>literal landlord party
HAHAHAHAHHAH
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 No.222179

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>>222161
Yeah but for an art supply store so it's cool. It's like micro-Dengism happening on West 23rd Street. Apparently a rough estimate for the building's value is ~$8 million.
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 No.222215

DSA: We've got a P.O. Box

CPUSA: We've got a building in Chelsea we bought with Soviet money.
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 No.222219

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>>222179
>>222215
WOW, where do I sign up?!
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 No.222228

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 No.222279

>>222106
Eh, I can see how you’d think that. I’ve been working for six years straight in retail hell, like my parents have. I’ve saved up a bit of money, and decided to throw it at the market when WSB was hyping GameStop. It’s essentially a gamble, one I hope pays off so I’ll have enough to fund left orgs like the IWW, maybe support union workers on strike, and of course support the growth of the party. My dream would be for my investments to pay off enough that we can start advertising ourselves on the radio, internet, TV, you name it.
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 No.222367

>>222279
You're an ambitious careerist, you've demonstrated your complete lack of knowledge in your own ideology but you've completely confirmed your petite-bourgeois ambitions to make it to the top, 'make a lot of people good progressives'. without regard to the content of that formulation. Your constant evocation of morality as definite proof of socialism spits in the face of Marx & Engels. Reformism is an end to you, not a means.
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 No.222428

>>222367
>throwing all your savings at game stonks because a retarded chimp told you a short squeeze will happen.
>”petite-bourgeois careerist!”
Absolutely infantile critique fam. If I get tendies from this, I’ll throw an extra million at the party in your name.
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 No.222807

>>189751
>(user has done nothing but criticize anyone actually doing anything in bad faith)
This is bullshit and abuse of jannie powers. Has was posting nothing but facts and channeling proletarians into class collaborationist politics and calling it communist is not doing something it's literally counterrevolutionary. Is this one of the mods that liked the idea of rebranding this site as a tool for deradicalization?
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 No.222853

>>222807
HANDS ABOVE YOUR HEAD NOW, NAZI!
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 No.222859

Ey yo wtf happened to .xyz
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 No.222860

>>222859
It redirects to here.
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 No.222862

>>222860

Yeh but wtf happened to it
I've been working extra shifts the past couple days wtf is going on
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 No.222867

>>222862
This is the new site, there was a janny squabble. It's not super important
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 No.222983

File: 1620193424703.jpg (92.09 KB, 828x552, cpusa_protest.jpg)

>>222807
I didn't report the post, nor did I ask it to be banned, however I want to talk about bad faith.

Contrary to what some people might think, given how often I post here or make this thread, this isn't /cpusa/ general, this is Lefty Org General. This is for no one particular party, but leftist organizations in general. I'd rather have someone join the PSL or FRSO than to be independent of any organization, because the individual is politically useless.

The person in question who was banned had every opportunity to say "Instead of joining CPUSA, you should join X, Y, or Z" He didn't. And I called him a fed (or a useful idiot for them) because our party's history has shown that NatSec agencies would rather have leftists not join an org at all, than join the "wrong" org.

When I kept pressing posters to name any other org that they thought had a better line, they shut up. One of them snidely responded that joining organizations in general was a form of electoralism, which is retarded given I pointed people to the IWW (which is anti-electoralist) in the OP.

Finally, let's talk about "faith." I have faith that the people on here, for the most part, are leftists asking reasonable questions and trying to find the best organization to suit them. I try to answer their questions as best as I can, and I wont hesitate to recommend any other organization if they don't feel like joining the CP. The poster in question, however, didn't. He didn't just accuse us of being wrong, he accused us of being fascists. In spite of our Party being one of the oldest anti-fascist organizations in the U.S. and in spite of our national committee being composed of old Comrades who cut their teeth in classic labor and civil rights struggles. He's accusing Comrades like Jarvis Tyner (who's still in the party and an excellent source of wisdom) of secretly herding the proletariat towards fucking fascism. Instead of even taking it on faith that we might just be wrong he assumes we're maliciously trying to lead the proles astray. And hell, some of his claims require absurd assumptions of bad faith. He claimed we're "patriotic" even though we're the first to criticize our government's policy towards Cuba, Venezula, Iran, and the DPRK. He assumes "workplace democracy" is class collaborationism. He dismisses the mutual aid work we do as "liberal charity" and ignores the fact we have fucking seminars on Marxist-Leninist principles!

Missteps are entirely possible in the party. I can accept if people believe we've made too many missteps to be salvageable. What I wont accept is some ridiculous notion that my older Comrades all secretly decided that they liked Fascism after decades of struggling against it. Or that when you pass out blankets, food, and fresh clothes to the homeless on skid row along with pamphlets on Marx and Lenin, you're just engaging in "Liberal Charity."

But hey, what the hell do I know? You hear other people describe it, and I'm an opportunistic petite-bouge fascist who secretly wants collaboration between the classes, rather than a grocery clerk who was radicalized the moment he saw his mother crying that we could lose our home in 08.
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 No.223074

>>222983
Can you find something to call it other than "the CP", Harry Hay was already both a CPUSA member and NAMBLA supporter
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 No.223127

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 No.223182

>>222983
>given how often I post here or make this thread, this isn't /cpusa/ general
Sure could have fooled me, you obnoxious namefag.
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 No.223776

All this wringing, no news

http://www.peaceandfreedom.us/news/kshama-sawant-recall-pfp-support
Based Cali hippies supporting the highest ranking socialist official in decades. Sawant has been defended against the bogus recall attempt by most of the left. Hopefully she survives and continues to serve as a reminder of what is indeed possible by actually having and building upon dual power.
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 No.224011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_fG2WHIq_8

Fuck bros, I miss the old CPUSA. What happened to the American young pioneers, marches with soviet and American flags, entire buildings across the country under our control? It feels like the soul of the genuine American left has been dead in America ever since the McCarthyite purges in the 40s-50s.
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 No.224147

>>176847
>we have ties internationally with the CCP, DPRK
Wouldn't that alienate you guys from most Americans, even a lot of leftists? When I got into left politics I still thought China was bad and just 'authoritarian capitalist'.
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 No.224155

>>189751
fuck jannies
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 No.224253

>>223182
Literally anyone can post here and talk about their org. I ain't crowding anyone out by talking about mine.
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 No.224265

>>224011
They were played as pawns in the cold war by both sides and threw away their credibility with slavish devotion to Stalinism.
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 No.224301

>>224265
>Stalinism
Opinion discarded
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 No.224637

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>>222179
The fact they share a building with Blick now is a bit ironic. During the Earl Browder years CPUSA reformed its network of John Reed Clubs into the American Artists' Congress at a conference hosted by the New School. Adopting the Popular Front strategy also caused their "John Reed Club School of Art" to change its name into the American Artists' School, which itself was hosted in three floors of 131 W 14th St. It was the educational wing of the AAC, but like most of CPUSA's cultural ventures they lacked supplies and funding. Lotta JRC/AAC artists ended up exhibiting at the ACA Gallery as a result (which is still around, by the way; I'd be curious to see how much of that history they've preserved, if any)
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 No.224644

>>224301
The "Popular Front" is literally Stalin's idea.
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 No.224647

File: 1620242294740.jpg (771.59 KB, 2048x1267, burning American flag.jpg)

>>224011
>marches with soviet and American flags
Cringe, the CPUSA's "communism is Americanism" slogan should be left in the dustbin of history. Amerikkka is a reactionary nation by its very nature. Or should we also say "communism is Israelism" and "communism is Rhodesianism"?
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 No.224657

>>224647
"United $nakes of Amerikkka" Sakaists will never be popular outside of their fringe milieus.
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 No.224671

>>224657
>US seen as bigger threat to democracy than Russia or China, global poll finds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/05/us-threat-democracy-russia-china-global-poll
Seems like hating Amerikkka is already popular outside the settler-colonial imperialist core itself.
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 No.224679

>>224657
what's important domestically is bridging the autonomist and maoist milieus
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 No.224726

>>224679
Really. Is that so important. They're both smashies, one with a red flag one with a black flag.
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 No.224751

>>224726
>Really. Is that so important.
As far as the future of US marxist parties are concerned, absolutely. There's more to organizing than Browderite fetishism; if that's all you're really concerned about, then you must hold a very narrow view of history.
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 No.224776

>>224679
What’s important is to not adopt meme ideologies based on material conditions not found in the US.

What is important is to embed ourselves in base areas by meshing community leaders with communist leaders and build up from there. The early Socialists and Communists realized this and enmeshed themselves with the first and second generation Irish, Scandinavian, Central European, Greek, Jewish, and German immigrants. Attempts were made with varying success to reach out and mesh together the Black community, the largest and most able revolutionary nation in the boundaries of the US. Entire branches were just built off community leaders.

Meanwhile outfits like the RCP and the CWI adopted not only workerist ideology, abandoning the national struggle of immigrant nations being here, but were racist and dismissive against black workers efforts for integration and liberation respectively.

Like, in an era of service jobs sucking like ass, of an incredibly agitated artisanal community and the small, usually immigrant workers of the petty bourgeoisie (taxi and some uber drivers) and many people’s futures in the forms of pensions or social security under threat idk, I’d say there are a lot of groups to reach out too that we aren’t.
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 No.224805

>>224751
But none of those milieus/scenes are rooted in the working class. They largely exist for their own sake.
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 No.224809

File: 1620246738196.gif (13.47 MB, 500x500, cpusagif.gif)

>>224671
>>224647
>>224657
Y'know this reminds me of the ad-hoc committee.
For those who weren't aware, they were a "group" that was entirely composed of Feds who tried their damnedest to split the party by attacking it from the left. They attacked the USSR for "backing down from imperialism" during the Cuban Missile Crisis, accused the party of betraying the principles of Marxism-Leninism, and basically did their damnedest to say "Real leftists should never ever join the communist party.
I'm of the opinion that the "spirit", as it were, of Marxism-Leninism is a ruthless adherance to pragmatism. Ideas should not be judged by whether they adhere to moral or ethical considerations or "purity", but by their basic effectiveness.
Flag burning, rewriting "America" as "Amerika" (or God-forbid, "Amerikkka") and retarded statements like:
>Amerikkka is a reactionary nation by its very nature.
Accomplish nothing. If judged purely by their material affect, burning a flag does nothing to disrupt America's imperialism abroad, or threaten the capitalist system. Does it even lead to more material support from communist parties abroad? No. No it doesn't.
If judged from the perspective of material gain, the retarded "Anti-Americanism" of some middle-income sections of the "Left" serves only to alienate the Left from the working class (who are not, as /pol/ says, militant patriots but rather can accurately see middle class anti-Americanism as a kind of malignant narcissism).

Finally I'd like to say that if Lenin, whose own brother was murdered by the Tsar and whose countries was the reactionary vanguard of Europe for most of its history, can call himself a "Great Russian Patriot", then some fucking infantile ultra-leftist can.
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 No.224813

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>>224809
Ripping off the Greens now, eh?
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 No.224816

>>224813
I'm pretty sure its a common slogan.
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 No.224835

>>224776
>What’s important is to not adopt meme ideologies based on material conditions not found in the US.
I agree with you, which is why I think some of the most interesting developments in the the US communist movement today will come from these milieus' failures. Mind you, we've already seen them fail over the past 5 or so years. Lessons learned; understanding gained. I've never heard the RCP or CWI described as workerist before; that's pretty rich seeing at how a lot of operaismo/autonomia stuff have only just started to get translated into English in recent years (at least in a somewhat "official" capacity).
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 No.224847

>>224805
A lot of ex-RG people have started looking back at the disparate maoist groups from the 70s and 80s that were actually rooted in the working class. Lesser known militancy from an era people write off as adventurist nonsense to this day; I think stuff like that deserves reassessment at least.
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 No.224861

>>224813
>Ripping off the Greens now, eh?
I'd hope so tbh >>222489
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 No.224886

File: 1620249660556.jpg (191.9 KB, 1470x1062, Native American land map.jpg)

>>224809
>If judged from the perspective of material gain, the retarded "Anti-Americanism" of some middle-income sections of the "Left" serves only to alienate the Left from the working class (who are not, as /pol/ says, militant patriots but rather can accurately see middle class anti-Americanism as a kind of malignant narcissism).
Oh yeah man I'm sure those Iranians burning American flags are just middle-class narcissists. Have you considered that the most revolutionary segment of the global population (including the most revolutionary segment of Americans) is already highly anti-American? Waving the American flag won't get them to support you, it will just alienate them. Meanwhile, the most patriotic segment of the American population is also the most anti-communist. Now, I'm not saying the best strategy to attract people to communism is to say "hello prole, have you considered abolishing Amerikkka and imprisoning reactionary settlers in reeducation camps?" But if you're an American communist and you're still leaning on nationalistic imagery after all this time, I don't know how to get you to see the light.
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 No.224915

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>>224886
>Oh yeah man I'm sure those Iranians burning American flags are just middle-class narcissists. Have you considered that the most revolutionary segment of the global population (including the most revolutionary segment of Americans) is already highly anti-American?

Have you considered the flag burners I was referring to are actually Americans themselves? Have you considered that you can gain the support of revolutionary parties across the globe (As we in the CPUSA already have) by working with them and towards policies that would benefit them/counter imperialism? Have you considered that flag burning does nothing to actually establish rapport with these groups beyond saying "Yeah, I hate America, too!"

Secondly, it's not the "most revolutionary segment of the population" that brings about Socialism, it's the masses, and the fact is that the average proletarian in America isn't wasting his time burning flags because hating one's own country is a luxury that can only be afforded to the middle class. It's a malignant growth from the settler mindset that "Oh, we're just a colony. If only we could have history and tradition like Europe!"

You're presenting a false dichotomy where we can only choose to either burn the flag or wave it around chanting "USA! USA! USA!" The optimal strategy is to stay as close to the masses as possible: passive respect for the flag and "patriotism" in the form of wanting to do right by the workers of America.

Do I love my country? In a vague sense, sure, it's my country. Do I abhor what my government is doing to neighboring countries and its own population? Obviously. Its an affront to common decency.

And finally:

>Waving the American flag won't get them to support you, it will just alienate them.


This is one of those things like "LatinX" that seem entirely built on retarded opinions pushed by white people rather than the people they actually try to speak for. I've yet to meet a single person in real life who actually is "alienated" by the flag. I mean for fuck's sake, one of the biggest aspects of our culture is we have our flag everywhere. It's a common sight here. Your average black prole is hardly looking at the American flag and getting a thousand yard stare. Most are, in fact, ambivalent towards it.
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 No.224922

File: 1620251432206.jpg (138.65 KB, 526x800, The Black Panther.jpg)

>>224915
>The American flag and the American Eagle are the true symbols of fascism, and they should elicit from the people the same outraged repugnance elicited by the swastika of Nazi Germany and the flag of the rising sun of the Japanese imperialists.
- Eldridge Cleaver. Yes I know about what he had done and what he would go on to do, but at that point he was one of the main theoreticians of the Black Panther Party. And he was right about this: The American flag is a symbol of the most reactionary force, the greatest barrier to communism, on the planet. Forgive me if I think that no self-proclaimed "communist" should wave it.
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 No.224934

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>>224922
>Yes I know about what he had done and what he would go on to do, but at that point he was one of the main theoreticians of the Black Panther Party.
Yes, and he'd later go on to support Reagan. You say you know what he'd go on to do, but you seem to ignore that he didn't become a different person. The same man that organized as a Black Panther was the same man who'd later go on to disavow Marxism and become some fucking Reaganite. If anything, his stance as a theoretician makes his change all the worse: he should know that Capitalism can't be reformed, that it would always keep the black prole in bondage. If he didn't, then its a confession he's unaware of the theory he preached. If he did, then its clear he let his individual wants betray a commitment to the cause.
And let's not forget that he was not the Black Panther Party. That the Panthers successfully allied with the Young Patriots, who didn't just fly the American flag, but the fucking confederate one.
The radical Panthers were killed, and the middle-class one who bragged about raping women lived to betray the movement.
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 No.225434

>>224934
I like you my friend, keep fighting the good fight and don't let people with no future or plan for it bog the movement down.
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 No.225443

>>225434
there is no future and no movement for this you clown
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 No.225511

>>225443
There is no future for capitalism
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 No.225551

>>225443
You can be a downer all you want, but I will gladly still continue.
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 No.225613

>>225443
Omg a real life glowie in the wild
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 No.225700

>>224922
>Eldridge Cleaver
literally the worst among BPP figureheads
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 No.225726

How many proxies are you running in CPUSA to argue with one another?
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 No.226604

>>224637
tfw no one here is interested in art history but me
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 No.229881

>cpusa co chairs read Krugman and show critical support for the Democrats

Don't get me wrong, they seem endearing and earnest, but it makes me think all the twitter libs calling the party succdems aren't wrong
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 No.229901

>>225443
Stop glowing
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 No.230635

File: 1620436008708.jpg (513.75 KB, 1024x681, lewittwadsworth.jpg)

>>226604
Made a thread on /hobby/ to honor you please come contribute
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 No.230738

>>230635
wow thanks I hope I won't be the only contributor lol
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 No.230754

https://twitter.com/HowieHawkins/status/1389913168357568515

Dare I say Based coming from the Green Party. Never thought they could get so redpilled

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