anything can be art. even a fart
works that is entertaining but also well made and says something.
then in theory yes a remake or sequel can be art, but almost always isn't.
>>1758388>works that is entertaining
Fun depend on the viewer
Also depend on spectator who can be more or less picky about story, direction, FX quality and so on.
Any movie says something even if the director don't intend to.
It might be very consensual or subversive, but in the end it still says something.
So I'm with >>1758379
>>1758394>>art has to be well made or say something
fountain is fuckin great and it says a lot. duchamp's been making reactionaries seethe nonstop for over a century.
You can take a liquidy shit on a piece of paper and that's art. The most derivative, tired, and profit seeking film that you can think of is still art. The question is, what makes art good? What makes it worthwhile? And be careful! Even really bad art can be worthwhile, for example, if it's bad art made in the service of eventually making good art.
You can even just not read anyone elses post like >>1758414
and repeat what people already said like a narcissist and its still art.
call me Fascist but this was cringe and I would sent the creator to an labor camp.
I'm talking about movies and tv, not the nature of art it's self.
The frankfurt school and subsequent marxist thinkers are quite critical of what walter benjamin called "the cultural logic of late capitalism" that he found in postmodernity
I believe it was andy warhol who said that making money is its own form of art, and now here we are.
counterpoint they were simply pretentious cunts who needed a six months in a labour camp
Mark fisher has a good understanding of capital's inability to create "the new" so it has to recycle properties. His critique is deleuzean however not strictly marxist.
>because sometimes you do want to know what happened to the characters
This would be my exact line of critique for extended properties
ITS NOT REAL
One of the worst things ive seen is te breaking bad movie because it plays into this nonsense of thinking theres a sort of meta-canon of these fictional characters. There isnt.
He had a good message which is "art isn't worth piss." Art is liberalism. The problem is nobody got the message so now we have a century of pretentious faggots with more money than common sense getting trolled out of their money again and again.>>1758421>I believe it was andy warhol who said that making money is its own form of art, and now here we are.
u got trolled by a dead guy lol
Battlestar Galactica the reboot is considered one of the best sci fi franchise ever, the original was shit. The Stargate series was waaaaay better then the movie. And so on and so on.
But these days reboots are made to cheaply cash in on nostalgia not to make an improved product
it is great, but it might be a stretch to say it says anything beyond taking the piss
duchamp was a prodigy impressionist who mastered all kinds of forms of painting in his life, fountain was a "piece" he submitted to an art show that accepted anything as long as the artists paid a fee, but they refused to put it on display. its not entirely a joke as he did do other static art of mundane objects, but they can in general be interpreted as a critique of art as a bourgeois club as opposed to a self evident craft
That you assume Westoid mass produced slop “media” is art in the first place is an absolute insult to the thousands of years of history of art and artists
Different eras have different arts
Its like culture, it changes
If you look at islamic countries they ban idols but focus much technique into architecture instead
>Phrase not found
leftypol has fallen
If it's derivative and ads nothing new of aesthetic value no in both cases. JP 1 and 2 are art, 3 and all the lost world stuff is drivel.
>>1758546>westoidposting in a completely irrelevant topic
TW anons stop making every thread about how much you obsessively seethe at westerners challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Works that capture and conceptionalize something in the present that the zeitgeist is not aware of yet.
>art is subjective
Pomo fags leave my leftypol
I'ts the year of 2024 and there is still retards out there that still don't know that Duchamp made that piece as a shitpost to make fun of art critics, Lmao.
>>1758623>looks at the unique IP count
yeah I don't think morale's improving my guy
Doesn't interest me. Ok let's say "behavior improves" if you want to be a stickler about it. Why do people post bait? To get attention of course.
Maybe it’s just because I’m not fully engrossed in Westoid “entertainment” but the comparison between Ultraboy and the Queer Brigade vs Dinomaster 15 in 3D and something like the works of Tchaikovsky is like comparing a pile of horse dung with a golden statue. But I guess art is relative, as the liberal dogma insists in spite of everything that contradicts it
Taking a big fat shit on the floor and calling it “art” doesn’t magically make it art. Even if you claim it was “irony” and “satire” like a common /pol/tard…well congratulations you still took a shit on the floor and are asking us to respect it
Then I will beat baiters until morale improves
That's because you are a bit dim
except people have done exactly that and it's been deemed art and sold for more than all your possessions are worth
A urinal is not as bad as a poece of turn in the floor, You still getting trolled by a guy who died in 1968.
>>1758639>all art is le subjective! Everyone and everything is equal!
The absolute state of leftypol where people can spout idealism like this with their full chest and expect to be taken seriously. Sorry but even a cursory understanding of Marxism completely negates subjectivity
Honestly just tryna help you out
but you don't understand and are probably not trying
Yes because the west’s definition of “art” is the exact kind of mass produced comsoomer propaganda garbage that they just so happen to want to force on everyone else. Just because a 300 pound Ameritard can be conned out of his money doesn’t make post modernism art
How do you "measure" art? What is the substance of art?
People here make fun of chinlets all the time, why is it now the worst thing ever when i guy takes the piss out of bourgeois art critics?
ok jordan peterson
>>1758648>what is dialectics>>1758651
Does it uplift the spirit, inspire the masses or at the very least carry some important moral or ideological message? If the answer is no to all of the above then what you’re dealing with isn’t art. This isn’t the kind of thing you can push bourgeois empiricism onto, art is both an objective yet spontaneous thing and is best measured by its positive effect on the people rather than what the artist thinks of it
because these are the retards with greco-roman statues as their twitter avatars who have never actually entered an instructive art class or tried to make any art that was difficult or anxiety inducing to produce
>>1758650>A particular thing that art is used for defined what art is in general
Okay so do you admit that you are an idealist?
Art expresses the *idea* is what youre saying
Whats most beautiful is closest to God and so on
>>1758661>a material product possible by mankind’s understanding of materialism is idealist
Incredible, I don’t even have a proper retort for this because it’s just so utterly wrong it’s frankly concerning you reached that conclusion in the first place
I'm pretty sure this is xiteen anon, he shits up every thread by dogmatically applying vulgar theory that he doesn't even really understand while sperging over westerners
Just ignore him at this point
that's a bingo
To speak of "uplifting the spirit" and carrying important moral features isnt a typical "materialist" discourse. Especially when before you create an abridgement between tchaikovsky and hollywood to give a sense of the "objective" value in art.
Basically, youre being undialectical by rooting art in essential forms.
Also the dadaism movement just showed up after ww1 with the intent to show "what art would look like if humanity was reduced to caveman shit and still using sticks and stones", people at that time thought europe was gonna get reduced to ash when the war happened and dada art was used to represent that feeling, all it takes is just to open a history book to find out about that, but ppl here are complaining that this art has no meaning and comparing to a piece of shit in a carpet.
You could only reach that conclusion if you believed in absolute relativity, which again contradicts dialectics. And as “spirit” is the driving force behind humanity and what separates us from animals, it is what gives us the ability to understand materialism and our place in reality. To deny this existence is to claim humans just function automatically by chance, which again is peak idealism
That's not me. I don't sperg over westoids
>>1758673>the spirit is what separates us from animals
I thought it was opposable thumbs and big brains
I must have missed where the Soviet Union responded to ww1 by churning out endless amounts of ugly nihilistic slop pretending to be meaningful. Instead, the communists brought the beauty of art and culture to the masses and the masses learned to provide art in turn
>he doesn't know
Dada wasn't the only thing that was produced after WW1, it was only one of the dozen other art movements at the time, you could find other pieces of art that wasn't minimalistic ironic shit, and idk why you comparing to the soviet art when the point of the soviet art was to show the liberation after the revolution and their triumph after surviving ww1, the point of dada was to show the fear of people of europe getting into the stone age after the war was happening.
I want to put you in a petri dish. You just took in every keyword, melted it into a soup, and somehow came through with that. And like, in the same breath demonstrated exceptional literacy in your example.
I aim to please.
Art =/= “Good art”
And the way Capital defines art in particular, art is only realized as a social product when it is sold on the market
According to Capitalism, the CGI Lion King is more a work of art, since it boasted 1 billion in ticket sales, than people posting free well-made short films
I thought it was fine, but I was there more for the CGI and how far it had reached.
White american hands wrote that 1000%
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