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To clarify I am pro-Palestine and have held this stance for quite some time now. I do believe that recent wave of palestine supporters have good intentions(and done a lot of genuine good) but I find certain aspects of their activism fascinating, cause they come directly from american twitter activism and its intersecting to see that deal with a real-life issue cause over the past decade this activism has campaigned and marched for causes like american bipoc struggles and queer activism
And while I believe that the majority mean well(and actually haven't done any harm) they are employing tactics and rhetoric that don't make sense outside twitter activism, For instance I came across popular posts stating, "You probably didn't know that x is actually was Invented by Palestinians" or discussing how Palestine is connected to the experiences of black or queer people

 

>"You probably didn't know that x is actually was Invented by Palestinians" or discussing how Palestine is connected to the experiences of black or queer people

a thread to talk bad about the "woke mob" and "radlibs"
Again
Well, good for you guys, gonna do something else

 

>>1839037
Why did you have to make a seperate thread for this retarded shit? >>805130

 

>>1839039
that's not what my point and I clarified these people haven't done anything wrong and have made a positive impact

 

>>1839042
because “American” is a cultural identity that extends beyond America, there are Americans in France, Spain, Saudi Arabia and Argentina

 

Many police forces and universities receive training from Israel through the GILEE program. One recent example is Atlanta, building Cop City. Specializing cops to put down riots in urban areas

Connecting the oppression of black people by police brutality and racism is a key organizing tactic in helping black proletariat through many black centered groups connected with Palestinian liberation orgs

I can tell you don’t organize or know what you are talking about because actual organizers and groups speak on this all the time.

Protestors in Atlanta have been arrested for occupying forests around Cop City

Please shut the fuck up you useless retard and stick to twitter

 

Many police forces and universities receive training from Israel through the GILEE program. One recent example is Atlanta, building Cop City. Specializing cops to put down riots in urban areas

Connecting the oppression of black people by police brutality and racism is a key organizing tactic in helping black proletariat through many black centered groups connected with Palestinian liberation orgs who face similar but on a much worse scale ofc, police brutality and live in an apartheid state in Gaza. It helps connect one aspect of US imperialism to a sect of the working class. A marginalized one at that.

I can tell you don’t organize or know what you are talking about because actual organizers and groups speak on this all the time.

Protestors in Atlanta have been arrested for occupying forests around Cop City

You have no clue what you are talking about and you’re a keyboard larper

 

I suppose a concise read of this is: how to get them to actually organizing rather than get softlocked into debate.

 

>look at cringe online spaces
>find cringe online activism
maybe go the fuck outside to an actual protest

 

>>1839037
>And while I believe that the majority mean well(and actually haven't done any harm) they are employing tactics and rhetoric that don't make sense
Well, yeah. But that's ideology. It's always something in the process of being constructed or reconstructed or rearranged or to make two disconnected things work together so it "works." So you get fat white girls for Palestine. But the many particularities attached to Palestine with the issue being forced to expand in infinite directions is probably more upsetting to the Israeli government than the opposite.

I read an article today about the repression of Palestine protests by Arab governments. There have been arrests in Egypt, Kuwait, Jordan and Morocco. I'm assuming there have been arrests in Saudi Arabia and the UAE but those regimes are so authoritarian I'm not sure there have been many protests to begin with. While these governments do say they support Palestine or have state-sponsored rallies of their own, they don't tolerate people doing things on their own, or forming political groups of any kind (it depends on the country), so the issue of democratization in the region and Palestine become intertwined. It's not just the fact that these governments use Israeli spyware, and it's not just about Palestine, it's something bigger than that, but Palestine becomes like a hinge for other movements to revolve around.

 

>>1839092
>>1839093
see that's my issue, a lot of comes americans making it about them selves and it kinda infuriates me.

 

>>1839280
>internationalism is when high school drama type nonsense

 

I'm half convinced that half these people glow. Making this a "right"-"left" culture war issue is very-much in porky's best interests.

 

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>>1839097
<twitter activism
>>/ISG/

 

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Being able to sway public opinion through social media matters a lot. The BJP literally hires thousands of people just to spread atrocity propaganda and ragebait on Whatsapp, Facebook and Twitter. And everyone knows that the Zucc and Musk are complicit, because BJP IT cell mfs literally copy and paste posts without even checking for typo errors. They also routinely violate TOS. Being able to counter this effectively and spreading your own propaganda is very useful. Many people here don't realize that social media can serve as a gateway for future revolutionaries. The far-right already realizes this, and capitalizes on it. It is a propaganda tool, just like books and pamphlets.

Also, engaging in "real-life" praxis before developing a strong foundation of theory, knowledge and useful skills is actually counter-productive. Someone with a strong grasp of theory, a good level of fitness and a useful skill (medicine, engineering, trades etc.) is far more useful than someone who is undisciplined and constantly gets into trouble with the pigs for no reason. When the time finally comes, and large communities, even nations of people start organizing, the former will be in a much better position to lead people to victory. Just take Che as an example, or the countless lawyers who take up the cases of other revolutionaries. For someone pursuing this, social media can be a great tool for networking with other orgs and keeping up to date with current affairs.

On the pic OP posted, yeah it's kinda cringe, but it's also funny and endearing. People need to stop being so uptight. As long as someone isn't a deliberate wrecker, infiltrator, or Agent Kochinski tier horrible optics, it's ok. The far-right has far worse assholes in its ranks, like the kind who rape and murder children, and they still succeed at swaying people to their side. So leftists shouldn't be alienating people over dumb shit like this.

 

>>1839693
>Being able to counter this effectively and spreading your own propaganda is very useful.
Thinking you will out perform or be close to on par the state at its own game on its own platforms is very silly.
Are you going to start tv channels of 24h coverage also?

 

>>1839713
Social media has been the single greatest medium in countering Israeli propaganda recently. Had it not been for footage from Gaza or the blatant incompetence of Israeli propagandists on social media, there would be nowhere near the amount of support for Palestine we're seeing today.

 

>>1839738
Israel is a fun case with social media because you can see what people tweet in English and compare it with what they tweet in Hebrew. At the single press of a "translate" button the person who, in English, was speaking in such victimised and conciliatory tones, when read in hebrew, turns out to make /pol/ look like moderate enjoyers of genocide.

 

>>1839749
On the matter of /pol/ what do these guys think of the genocide? On one hand they must hate everything jewish looking but on the other they have a craving for a western ethnostate which Israel is

 

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>>1839693
every time socialists talk about "organization", they're not talking about networking, nepotism, or forming friendships and relationships to directly benefit from better primitive wealth accumulation and collective action. they're talking about organization in an abstract sense, organizing a workplace being the main priority, but without any focus on befriending your coworkers or using fbi.gov servers to coordinate unionization efforts. any attempt at "organization" made by the online left is hampered by their inability to accept that companionship, friendship, and even romance, are all a part of organizing a labor movement. in this sense, the right is far more successful than the left at capitalizing on online users' lack of romance or lack of friends. the online left prioritizes parasocial relationships, such as pretending that pixels will save them from a FBI raid on their house, purely out of a delusional sense that the people chatting with them online are just as useful to them as friends and neighbors are. this is an incredible mistake in strategy, particularly because these parasocial relationships sabotage any engagement with realspace, with attempting to find people online to organize with in person, rather than finding people online to agree with and organizing ineffectively in person by having 0 comrades to back them up. the left has only one advantage over capitalist ideologues - collective action, and we do not prioritize it simply because our overly online compatriots are more interested in twitter squabbling or in LARPing as "organizers" than they are in actually organizing. the internet is the most powerful organizational tool in the world - you can communicate directly with people all over the world who agree with communism, but the moment organizing meetups or actually attempting to form close connections with your online comrades comes into question, suddenly they get cold feet. this will lead us to defeat if we don't change course.

 

>>1839760
>the moment organizing meetups or actually attempting to form close connections with your online comrades comes into question, suddenly they get cold feet
I'm guilty of this too, mostly because I'm actually scared of getting caught and tortured to death. Not to mention how I'd be risking not just my life, but the lives of everyone close to me. I don't want to get married for this exact reason, but my parents will eventually pressure me into doing it. I'll probably get into IRL shit only when I've helped my family settle in some other country.

 

>>1839793
Dead Internet Theory posits that the internet is made up entirely of bots. You will be forced to stop using it once enshittification becomes too much to bear. I don't see why the left isn't preparing for the death of the globalized internet when the great firewall and russia's meshnet projects eventually coalesce into a new web, while the old web dies out, suffocated by the bourgeoisie's attempts to monetize digital information and install bloatware, spyware and backdoors into everything.

 

My critique with the protests is that they don't seem to serve a coherent purpose and have turned the discourse cycles unconsciously or not into being about themselves. Discourse and discussions that should be about Palestine are instead redirected to elite squabbled about campus norms and free speech. .
I'll also add that a lot of pro Palestinian protestors are not very smart (same with pro Israeli ones I guess but they're dumb in a less media friendly way). The people hanging out just off of Columbia U property and harassing faculty and other students have got to realize how counter productive that is right? Shouting "Go back to Belarus" isn't the same as forcibly arresting everyone, but it sure as hell doesn't look good, especially if there is an actual assault that comes out of it. But it does make for a good clip on CNN and twitter/facebook.

 

With these kinds of meta discussions the critics always come off 1000x worse than the subjects, because the subjects are actually doing things.

 

>>1839811
Whether or not the media circus ends up centering students instead of Palestine isn't up to the students. How do some of you still not understand this. You will never overcome the bourgeois media machine by playing their game.

 

>>1839811
>Shouting "Go back to Belarus" isn't the same as forcibly arresting everyone, but it sure as hell doesn't look good
It doesn't look good but I think the people who do that tend to be emotional and hotheaded and they get filmed, but the organizers who lead these encampments don't tend to do that from what I've seen, they look fairly disciplined, and it's always a struggle to maintain message discipline.

 

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>>1839854
>but the organizers who lead these encampments don't tend to do that from what I've seen, they look fairly disciplined
are you sure about that?

 

>>1839811
>Discourse and discussions that should be about Palestine are instead redirected to elite squabbled about campus norms and free speech.

True, that's why we should redirect those discussions about Palestine, that have been redirected to elite squabbles over campus normas, to petty online meta squabbles over the communication style and aethetics of student protests like you are doing right now. This obviously is 1000 times more constructive.

 

>>1839835
Liberals and their fetish for aesthetics and messaging.

 

>>1840312
Also, any offline activity will correspond to a lot of corresponding online activity. People act like if online is happening then offline can't be happening or some shit.

Just fucking go out today and join a protest. STFU about internet shit for once.

 

>>1839811
You don't know what you are talking about. You don't know how media works.

 

>>1839037
Those examples are just attempts to humanize the Palestinian people and while I agree that it isn't effective, boomers/reactionaries will just go cognitive dissonant, it doesn't harm anything, as you said. Because of this, I don't get what the point of this thread is besides gatekeeping.

 

>>1840395
not one person other then ultra westernised liberals thinks "Fatties 4 Palestine" is the most cringe inducing statement you can imagine

 

The media front is important, the US Military and Israeli Military, both have departments or organisations specifically fighting on the propaganda front.

Should we not be fighting on the propaganda front too? Look at breakthrough news for example, or the numerous individual users on tiktok reposting Kwame Ture, or the numerous individual users on twitter providing footage on the US University Protests.

Communism is the movement for freedom, shouldn't we be blasting the propganda and truth of freedom, or leave the job for the rich to blast their falsehoods?

 

>>1839037
>You probably didn't know that x is actually was Invented by Palestinians" or discussing how Palestine is connected to the experiences of black or queer people
this is based thoughever

 

>>1840553
To try to find issues with connecting struggles and exposing the clear lines of co-operation of international class war and imperialist projects is just absurd and transparent.
Obviously OP is baiting.
Why must we give it oxygen?

 

>>1840550
Look at this, the Chinese have established a journalism department at Columbia University.

【Columbia Journalism School | We Set Up an Editorial Department in 8 Hours - Bilibili】https://b23.tv/1XasFcZ

【We Found Chinese in Support of Gaza Camp at Columbia University - Bilibili】https://b23.tv/kcjQMVg

【Columbia Journalism | Jewish Freshman Across from the Palestinian Camp - Bilibili】https://b23.tv/64Um0qH

【Frontline! NYPD Enters Occupied Columbia Building, All Protesters Arrested - Bilibili】https://b23.tv/wxepgZC

【哥大新闻学院|我们在8小时内成立了编辑部-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/1XasFcZ

【我们找到了哥大声援加沙营地里的中国人-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/kcjQMVg

【哥大新闻|巴勒斯坦营地对面的犹太新生-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/64Um0qH

【前线!纽约市警进入哥大被占大楼 所有示威者被捕-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/wxepgZC

 

>>1840564
Brilliant, thanks for sharing anon

 

>>1839037
>Fatties 4 Palestine

 

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reminder

 

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I don't care about the naive libs who mean well, the real clear danger is from the obvious fascists are who using this war to further anti-antisemitic beliefs and their own fascist frameworks

 

>>1855142
>antisemitism is when you show the religious basis in Rabbinical Talmudism for Zionist political doctrine

 

>Erm, actually, these people are DOING something!
You fuckers write this as though it were the ultimate zing.

As though protesting were some holy grail of purity in activist intentions. Yet you can't explain why it has accomplished nothing for the past forty years.

You aren't Marxists.

 

>>1855142
>pic 2
how is this anti-Semitic?

 

>>1855146
There are a few fascist Christians basically pushing the narrative that the original Jews and Jesus were white Palestinians and that these current Jews are disgusting, lesser mixed beings claiming that heritage for themselves

 

>>1855151
nta but i'll ask again, how is that tweet anti-semitic?
what the hell do these christian fascists you're talking about have to do with the tweet about that kid?

 

>>1855151
I mean they’re half right, the original Semites are the ancestors of modern day Slavs, the word Palestine is even derived from the old Slavonic term for “burnt camp. The claim that Anglos like the kid in the picture have any connection to the tribes of Shem however is complete bullshit

 

>the original Semites are the ancestors of modern day Slavs

 


 

>>1855162
>/newspape/
Get thee away from me THOTskist

 

>>1839037
The average Arab in 2024 is fat as fuck, fatter than the average American, so there is no problem with picrel.

 

>>1855249
those are gulf arabs you nitwit

 

>>1855286
Sorry c.hud but all arabs are r/chonkers in 2024.

 

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>>1839037
Oh my god it's real

 

>>1857105
Martyrs for McDonalds.

 

>>1855153
source? this is very interesting

 

>>1855287
>Sorry c.hud but all arabs are r/chonkers in 2024.
They got bombarded by sweets and fast food that have flowed from the West to the East like a big, greasy/sugary wave. But… they say black is slimming.

 

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>>1857374
I don't know what he's talking about, but there's evidence to suggest that Levantine Semites were influenced by elements of Indo-European (Hyksos and Median) society, in both theology and state structure

 

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I'm definitely seeing a change in perspective, especially by certain black activists who are kind of sick of the focus on gaza when they do see the lack of focus on the issues of African countries to be disheartening

 

OP hates women and should go back to /pol/.

Why don't you do something instead of masturbating to ragebait like a faggot?

 

>>1858756
first time I've been accused of that, most times people call me a feminist simp cause I think porn is bad actually or that I point that sexualized anime girls and furry shit is unappealing to women

 

>>1857392
>>1857374
It is remarkable how Christianity contains elements of most European deities, from Osiris, Mithras, Celtic Mother/Son cults, perhaps even that of Wotan too; Christianity was, in the early medieval period the universal religion.
But christianity brought answers and hope. It set out an afterlife, clearly and unambiguously.

 

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STOP ORGANIZING YOU TANKIE ASSHOLES

 

>>1861856
>organize your own march then
<too hard

 

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Like this is weird, right

 

>>1862440
why is it

 

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>>1862440
Its not "weird", its just the public grasping some sort of universalist movement and appropriating it as an aesthetic, but this is what all mass protests are really about

 

>>1862440
it's inoffensive

 

>>1862440
The cartoon is cute and motivational and goes for all organizing

 

>>1862440
Americans…

 

>>1839280
While, yeah, there is a point where connecting the struggle of others to your struggle bleeds into narcissism, empathy requires seeing yourself in the other.

Seeing your struggle and the others struggle as similar allows you to fight it as if it were your own. I dont think theres any reason to think that this is all necessarily narcisism

 

The protests aren't really doing much to bring consciousness on the issue because it's so focused on "dead POC babies" which is bad, obviously, but we have been blowing up brown babies non-stop for decades. It's well known that foreign policy is a low-tier issue for 90% of people. Dead brown babies only works on people who already made up their mind to not support this.

Making a point about the bourgeoisie connection to the conflict is way more valuable than what's being done. I mean for fuck sakes the biggest soc-dem movement going on is them claiming they'll vote down the line for DNC, but just abstain from voting for Biden. That is the most cucked shit ever and I have hear about how "amazing" it is on a weekly basis. It's just completely tone deaf from what actually moves the masses in America.

 

>>1862440
this is actually perfectly fine tbh

 

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>>1862440
Don't know what's weird about the first one. If you're fighting alone against a crazy world that's gonna tire you out. You should know this as someone on the left side.

 

>>1863099
that's not my point

 

>>1863961
What point other than to show off your edgy teenage social capital?

 

>>1863991
noooo they're being cringe nooooo

 

>>1864002
If cringe is your only point then leave

 

>>1864004
I was being sarcastic damn

 

>>1863961
what is your point other than shitting up the place with r/stupidpol tier ragebait

>>>/v/

 

>>1862440
Why you gotta hate on the cute rat comic?

 

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>>1839037
> or discussing how Palestine is connected to the experiences of black people
Is that why they use the watermelon as their symbol?

 

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>>1839793
> but my parents will eventually pressure me into doing it
Are you Indian?

 

>>1868239
>Trotsky faggot posting AI CP
Kill yourself right now, you fucking piece of shit.

 

While there might be racial biases and some larger actors pushing for the Palestinian, I think the biggest reason is the fact that there is no real clear invading/occupying force. It's a situation where ethnic tribal militias are killing each other, "free Haiti" or "free Cuba" mean nothing in context. I guess the one conflict you could say is more even-handed is Sudan, where Arab militias are just killing everyone that's not them.

 

ugh, westoids and their westoid problems

 

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>>1855143
Oh for fuck's sake uyghur, Zionism has nothing to do with Rabbinical Talmudism. You will not find any reference to the Talmud in zionist writings; that is the fucking Haredims in Israel are so autistic about not wanting to join the IDF.
Besides, why stop at the Talmud? Why do these people not lift verses out of context from the Old Testament too, where you can find shit like "God blesses whoever blesses Israel" which Christian Zionists used to support Zionists? Oh, i know, it's because these fuckwards do not want to alienate Christian boomers

 

>>1878119
>Jews don't believe in the Bible
What the fuck do you think the Torah is?
>as the book explicitly states multiple times that gentiles are cattle to be enslaved without any value to their lives
Talmud isn't a single, it is a scholarly commentary written by dozens of scholars with their own opinions.
As for the Talmud demeaning goyims, yes, that is the truth. But in case this is news to you every single religion on Earth treated non-believers as second class citizens. Sometimed even with racial undertones; have you seen how Hindu writers describe Mlecchs or how Muslim scholars in the Medieval world described kaffirs? And let us not talk about the fact that Medieval Christianity explicitly approved of the enslavement of Non-Christians.
That doesn't mean you can just blame every chauvinists out there on the discriminatory nature of their religion (especially in a society as secular as Modern Day Isra*l), that makes as much sense as referring to Britain invading Iraq as a Crusade despite the fact that half of the English population are atheists. It just makes no sense.

 


 

>>1878131
>every single religion on Earth treated non-believers as second class citizens
This is the true social purpose of religion.

 

It's really validating to get a schizo post 2 minutes after mine. Complete coincidence but I'm just that good at calling them. Also I have spent too much time on the internet.
On a serious note, if you engage it, all you do is amplify it. I am not telling you to go outside, I am not asking you to have discipline. I am just telling you this one simple trick. You cannot alter the discourse.
>>1878146
One of them anyway. Distinction.

 

>>1878139
Rabbi Yeshua also said goyim are akin to dogs, he was also a schizo and a pedo and only started to preach to gentiles out of spite because his fellow jews called him a charlatan

You follow a jewish cult

 

>>1878150
The distinction makes no difference as to whether anything about the institution ought to be reproduced.

 

>>1878174
And your opinion on what ought to happen makes no difference.

 

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>>1860423
And I have to remind people that Feminists have the same purtanical anti-sex attitudes as christan fundamentalists.

It's all the same spooky nonsense.

 

>>1878185
Gods have been killed before and they can be killed again.

>>1878187
Which feminists, exactly? I propose that there is a class component to moral entrepreneurship that makes the most holy "middle class" especially prone to grabbing a doctrine off the shelf of the marketplace of ideas, building an autistic little world around it, and bitching that others aren't spending effort to uphold their alleged state of nature.

 

>>1878200
Andrea Dworkin seemes to be one that comes up. As mentioned in another thread.

>>1877853
>She defines pornography as a medium that is inherently showcasing acts of violence against women, and then uses this definition to showcase how porn contributes to the mass normalization of a patriarchal society. Which is to say, she draws a distinction between pornography and erotica in such a way, that few others who aren't also SWERFs do. However, the overwhelming majority of people do not make this narrow distinction. This, fundamentally, is leads to issues because we're working with two definitions here.

>The crux of Dworkin's argument is that pornography is a manifestation of the misogyny embedded in patriarchal society, how can this be true, if those same patriarchal forces are directly responsible for the repression and censorship of pornographic materials?

 

>>1878248
The sex wars are over and Dworkin lost.

 

Broadcasting a message of support is the end-all-be-all of American activity around Israel/Palestine. By all metrics, Israel does not need US aid even slightly. They are rounding up and executing unarmed civilians, they aren't fighting a total war; US support of Israel is symbolic, and likewise support of Palestine is equally symbolic. The absolute and only goal of American activism is sending a political message that people don't approve of what the Long-nose tribe are doing in Gaza. I wouldn't call it completely meaningless, because a strong enough message may influence the state to take its hands off the situation entirely and this opens the door another power to attack and bring the Jews' leaders into custody without fear of a world-ending nuclear strike from America. But this is like the bare minimum material change and even it is quite extreme on the face of it.

 


 

>>1878305
>Broadcasting a message of support is the end-all-be-all of American activity
/thread

 

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The really funny thing about this is that you'll have Israeli units that fulfill every lib fantasy of a multi-ethnic diverse group of people who share a common identity, but also have their own differences and they'll label as disgusting white colonizers

 

>>1878330
>Do something
Do you have any idea into how to pressure the US gov into stop aiding Israel and/or help Palestine or is this a way to moral posture against people who don't have the means or knowledge to help.

 

>>1880272
obviously you should just blow up infrastructure used to get it there yourself

 

>>1855151
Jesus probably wasn’t pale, but he might have been. Assad looks pretty white tbh.

 

>>1880280
Extremism is truly too high autism score for society.

 

>>1878330
Can't do anything. Israel does not rely on US aid to fund its genocide. The actual role of the US in Israel is the promised support of America's nuclear arsenal, which will be used against any country that tries to stop Israel. Remember that the US has pledged to carpet bomb Europe with nuclear ordinance if there is ever an attempt to try Israeli officials in the ICC. It is the greatest, most evil empire to ever exist in human history, and in all likelihood we must wait for the second coming of Christ to destroy this entire world and create a new one with no America before there will ever be an end to this.

 

Is this one anon samefagging or do people really think the U.S. is irrelevant to Israel’s genocide. It’s really a joint U.S. and Israeli operation.

 

>>1839039
No. Fuck the radlibs

 

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On some level, I do think these people are unintentionally cheering for the slaughter of Palestinians by encouraging them to continue the "fight against the colonizers" It's like encouraging a 5-year-old to fight a teenager, they can't win and they won't grow stronger from getting beaten either

 

>>1839037
>employing tactics and rhetoric that don't make sense outside twitter activism
OP is unable to cope that the the fat acceptance people are doing more than they are to forge solidarity and work against the genocide and erasure of cultural memory of Palestinian history

 

>>1878187
anti-sex feminists are not very common at all tbh, there's a whole thread debunking Dworkin right now

 

>>1878187
puritanical feminists are a minority
most feminists came out of the whole 60s sexual liberation movement

 

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>>1878248
the most interesting part of that post is the historical materialism and the brief look at censorship laws. It's really no shock that Texas (a state that banned abortion) is moving to ban porn, when, the original censorship laws in America (and England) were created to both control obscene materials and abortion access, even banning contraceptives for married couples.

 

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>>1878305
There have definitely been cultural and material results; but its likely that it will fizzle out quicker then Tibetan activism

 

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>>1881027
Palestinians don't exist as people anymore, they are an abstract for western leftists to project onto, they want them to fight to their deaths than acknowledge that this is a conflict they can't win

 

>>1881688
Yes, but not all of them are islamist

 

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>>1881573
>wait, it's all soda?
<always has been

 

>>1881688
I'm really not sure this is true. Israel's problems are growing and they're not all ones that they can just shoot at.

 

>>1881797
like what?

 

>>1881877
Israel's existence heavily depends on how much the west needs a spoiler embedded in the middle east versus the costs of maintaining it. The fact that EU countries are wavering on this shows that this is coming into question. This is coming as the US is increasingly forced to cannibalize its own lackeys to keep them from getting too powerful or too far away. Even in the medium term this spells a very uncertain future.

 

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>>1881762
Pepsi is the choice of Soviets.

 

>>1881688
>>1881027
>Palestine can't win
what paying zero attention does to a mfer

 

>>1839037
how's the weather in Tel Aviv?

 

>>1882157
Israel's existence depends on propaganda, printing money and blackmail

 

>>1882157
I think Israel can weather anything as long as it has the US as a guarantor. Like, yeah the Europeans want to try the Jews in the ICC for their latest blood sacrifices to Baal and Moloch, but the US basically won't let anyone do that. Similarly it gives them America's UN veto power. So any resolution against Israel will be vetoed by the US.
And I get that the US protests and all signal a changing in public sentiment here. But I wager it'll still take another 50 or 100 years for public opinion to shift strongly enough to affect political change. And frankly the Palestinians will have been completely ethnically cleansed by the Long Nose Tribe at that point.

 

>>1882545
The US capacity to affect the world has significantly dropped otherwise it wouldn't be in the situations it's in right now. The US cannibalizing its allies and compradors forestalls destruction but also makes the cycle of loss repeat that much faster.

 

>>1882820
Well so far attempts at multi-polarity have been slow and agonizing–I'd say they're destined succeed but it's a matter of when. At this time, it takes an extreme dedication to principle to swim against the current. Yemen is one such case, turning down all US concessions including official recognition to wage their fight against the Jews. But they're really risking everything and foregoing all their immediate interests to go against America. And it goes without saying that the US public cares far less for the preservation of Yemenis, because during their civil war there was virtually no outcry over the indiscriminate bombing of civilians there like there is now in Palestine. I guess in that way it's good that American protests and activism are so ineffective because it shows that the US is not being so heavily weighted in the calculations of principled fighters.

 

>>1883039
Considering that we've seen more change in the last 5 years than in the 20 years before that combined I would say that we're reaching some level of tipping point.

 

>>1862440
I don't think you have to get weird about people doing stuff.

 

>>1862463
>>1839280
i don't really think americans making it about them is narcissism considering the objective fact that the US is the center of global world empire and is the main party actively supporting israel?

 

>>1881027
Their goal of being on the "right side of history" encourages using and discarding endless numbers of momentarily useful "allies". All will be denied and forgotten as the eternal revolution turns onwards.


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