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what's up with the right claiming "the left" is PAGAN?
>That story, put simply, is the retreat of Christianity in the West and the emergence of a new religious faith in its place — a new paganism. What comes amid the decline of the Christian faith is not some live-and-let-live secular liberal utopia, not a rational and atheistic political order with neutral public spaces and a culture of tolerance. Instead, we have a new form of paganism with its own moral precepts, obligations, and rites. And unlike the secular liberal order, which embraced tolerance and pluralism as an inheritance from Christianity, the pagan order will be intolerant in the extreme.
<Let me clarify my terms. By “paganism” I don’t necessarily mean a flood of new converts to the cult of Zeus or Woden (although that too is on the rise, at least in Britain). The postmodern pagan culture that’s now emerging won’t look like the paganism of the past, but it will be no less pagan for all that.
>The pagan ethos, across immense spans of history and geography and cultures, has always been a rejection of reason and objective moral truth (along with the entire idea of objectivity), and a radical embrace of relativism and subjectivity in every realm of life. Paganism embraces a divinization of the here and now, of things and even people. Its creed, so far as it has one, can be summed up in the maxim: Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
<What that means in practice, of course, is a society in which power and force, not democracy or human rights or universal moral principles, rule the day. This is why the most advanced pagan societies have always taken the form of slave empires. They are societies in which power alone determines what is right. In such societies, the ruling class is free to do as they please as regards the underclass, who are obliged to adhere to the state morality and do as they’re told.
>Understood in that light, we can see the outlines of a modern form of paganism emerging in our time, especially on the political left. The official morality of the left forbids any dissent from the LGBT agenda and its claims about identity, for example. This is why lawmakers in deep-blue states like California want to make it a crime if parents don’t affirm their child’s “gender identity.” This is why public schools, captured by leftist ideologues, aggressively indoctrinate students in gender theory, and even socially “transition” children without the knowledge of their parents. We are going to see more of this, not less, as Christianity retreats from public life in America.
<In other words, it should be obvious by now that there are no neutral spaces anymore. There never were, really. Secular liberalism was a luxury only a predominantly Christian society could afford. Without societal norms derived from Christianity, sustained by the actual practice of the Christian faith among the people, liberalism decays. Recall that Christianity is the only moral system that has ever protected minority rights, for example, or ever declared that each person has inherent dignity. With the Christian faith, these ideals will die. And in the vacuum created by the faith’s desuetude, something else is rushing in.

 

You know, we don't really need to discuss any schizopost that could be found on the internet.

 

>paganism is when things change
Thank you for yet again confirming i don’t need to care about what rightoids think.

 

>Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
No, As Nietzsche of all people managed to point out its that 'might = right' things can still be 'objectively' true and 'not subjective' in the 'Pagan' worldview. And everything is/was evidently 'not' 'permitted' in Pagan societies.

Im guessing they've realised that they've run the term 'gnostic' in the ground as a thing to accuse their opponents of being so they've defaulted back to old material.

 

>the left
>the right
Didn't read. lrn2terminology instead of vague feels.

 

>>1848499
<they've
>John Daniel Davidson is a senior editor at The Federalist. His writing has appeared in the Wall Street Journal, the Claremont Review of Books, The New York Post, and elsewhere. He is the author of Pagan America: the Decline of Christianity and the Dark Age to Come.

Just another claremont schizo who thinks transgender means the fall of the west

 

Marx, known for his love of subjective truth and rejection of both logic and empiricism,

 

>>1848494
>has always been a rejection of reason and objective moral truth (along with the entire idea of objectivity)
Ah yes, we Marxists fucking hate objectivity and building the world based on morals, that's why the USSR famously had child prostitutes while the west didn't.
This post is just liberal brain rot, these people know nothing about communist states or communist theory. They just write shit and project. Why did you put it here?

 

>>1848494
The left has vitalism and isn't an abrahamic death cult.
>Abrahamism is pro reason
Lmao, one of the earliest rules of christianity is to only preach to fools since only they'd fall for it.

 

>>1848494
Low effort nonsense that will have only been written to fill the never ending void of 'new' content the modern internet demands.
Vapid and empty but it doesn't have to be anything else, only existing to be a reminder to ideological subscribers thst whatever this publication is still exists.

 

>Objective morality

 

Maybe that’s true for radlibs, but considering Marxism is literally a material application of Christianity and most fascist states explicitly rejected Christ as a “Jew on a stick” in favor of Wotanism this claim that the “left” as a whole is pagan is utterly ridiculous

 

>>1848560
>but considering Marxism is literally a material application of Christianity
Pure historical revisionist drivel, on the same level as claiming the USA was founded as a Christian republic. Christianity tells slaves to obey their masters in exchange for a place in Heaven; Marxism tells slaves to overthrow the masters. The two are not only not the same but complete opposites.
>most fascist states explicitly rejected Christ as a “Jew on a stick”
Like Tiso's Slovakia, Vichy France, Franco's Spain and the Independent State of Croatia? Most fascists were explicitly Christian, seeing the war as a struggle against "Godless Satanic Communism".

 

Hilariously, neopaganism and invocation of Greek and Roman gods is the ur-Rightoid trope. The Right as a historical force has always been the vanguard of Satanism, but thanks to lots and lots of ideology and their brains being turned to cheese, rightoids will say and believe anything. They're complete fags.

 

They see the vast majority of pagans being leftists that are better at using computers than them and have to flatten their worldview to a single, unified soyjak of their enemy. Thus, the wheelchaiered autistic black asian irish trans gay non-zionist jew commuist cat owner in their head is also pagan.

 

>>1848494
Is China pagan?

 

>>1848506
>leftypol
<dont use leftist terminology
Curious.

 

>>1848740
No its state atheist with buddhist and islamic re-education characteristics.

 

>>1848740
China is communist and believes in the rule of law as deified by Confucius and other great leaders, so culturally China is Abrahamic

 

>>1848745
>>1848747
lol alright, would the the OP think that China is pagan, given the content of the OP?

 

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>>1848747
>China is communist and believes in the rule of law as deified by Confucius
>so culturally China is Abrahamic
The absolute state of Christian apologist on Leftypol. Way to tell me you know about China or its philosophers (Quite a few of which were opposed to Confucius) as well as you know Marxism. No matter how much you try, slavery apologism will never be compatible with Marxism any more than the Earth is 6000 years old.

 

>>1848814
Irrelevant ideological gobblyguck. All men are “slaves” in the sense that we are all bound to the laws of our universe set by the divine, and in all proper states all men are “slaves” by virtue of collective duty to each other. Men must not be slaves to other men, this is true, but they must be slaves to their group or they will be enslaved by another, and they must be slaves to the divine or they willl invariably become slaves to darkness. This is pretty basic materialism, try to keep up?

 

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>>1848494
both the "right" and the "left" contain (minority) pagan elements because paganism is not a "right" or "left" ideology but a leftover syncretic mix of indigenous religions that were suppressed by the rise of world religions.

 

>>1848818
>>1848818
>All men are “slaves” in the sense that we are all bound to the laws of our universe set by the divine
lmao ao ao ao fucking proselytizers

 

>>1848740
>Is China pagan?
Negates the premise of the OP in 3 words
>>1848814
this

 

>>1848693
I'd argue that the progressive elements of fascism were more pagan while the reactionary ones where christian, which you could see for example in the difference between the christian Wehrmacht and pagan SS.

 

>>1848926
the whole premise of the author quoted is OP is that the left are a bunch of meanies for not being right wing lunatics and holding any amount of political power. Basically seething about le cancel culture like 7 years after it stopped being a thing, therefore the right needs to seize control and stop liberal democracy in favor of right winged strongmanism like pinchochet because otherwise the abortionist transgenderist communist atheist PAGAN liberals will take over everything even more than they have already and blah blah blah

 

Not sure what this is all about but it's good for people to have hobbies like creative writing.

 

>The pagan ethos, across immense spans of history and geography and cultures, has always been a rejection of reason and objective moral truth (along with the entire idea of objectivity),
Oh I just figured out where this is coming from: Leftists understand there to be reasons things are the way they are, rather than all things simply being "self-evidently reasonable" and objectively as the consensus dictates. So like, there is no objectively good or bad art. There are logistical reasons for political happenings, rather than morality dictating things as a gravity-like force of nature.

So he's correct, but has no argument for why paganism is le bad other than his own vibes-centric reasoning.

 

>>1848744
Some moron in 2014 made a mistake. Sue me.

 

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would be dope if rightoids stopped appropriating pagan stuff like Norse mythology. especially when they're not from the area and also butcher the mythology like picrel. like if you're going to LARP as a Viking you should at least know Tyr is the war god, and you should perhaps at least write your dumb slogan in Old Norse not fucking German

 

Something schizophrenic with no foundation most likely, there was that one guy Stalin killed, Pythagoras's cult, esotericism, free love hippie stuff, they can be referring to so much useless shit that it isn't even funny.

 

Currently, I just wacth some liberal atheist channe, the channel owner admits only religious(pagan heavily implied) can hold anarchist society together in long term. May be OP is right after all.

 

>>1849446
Let me guess, the source was; Human Nature?

 

Meanwhile it was pagan cultures who invented philosophy and it was the church that went on book-burning crusades and killed scientists.
And the enlightened liberals who reclaimed reason for the west were all atheists and freemasons.
But this is why i fundamentally hate conservatives. They are so myopic and ahistorical.
Fuck james lindsay and fuck all these wannabe alt-academic hacks who try to mystify politics into a spiritual war
also arent most nazis nietzchean pagans today anyway? But at least they have a broader perspective than the american evangelical

 

>>1849446
>anarchism
>left wing
Not for long

 


 

>>1848494
who is this from? Also lol at "secular liberalism - but christian".

I love that the lie is made so explicit. The main lie being that for christians as well reason is rejected, nothing is true, etc. The only difference is on the subject of morals, which christians claim are only valid if an authority figure invents them (though they are divided on if it matters at all if it's some up-start sect/cult, or a traditional view on morality xD). So on one side is "anyone can do what they want because nothing is real" and on the other "only certain people can do what they want, because nothing is real - the rest have to do what that guy says". What a joke

 

>>1851207
>who is this from?
see:
>>1848509

 

>>1848740
I mean, according to the author in OP probably, since anything thats not Christian/Jewish/Islamic = pagan. Even atheism as I've regularly heard american rightoids claim europe is "reverting to paganism/heathenism"

 

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This is on par with TradCaths calling everything they dislike "Gnostic", it's silly. But to go through all of this:

>And unlike the secular liberal order, which embraced tolerance and pluralism as an inheritance from Christianity, the pagan order will be intolerant in the extreme.


Christianity was hilariously unpluralistic. This is something that emerged from Liberalism which, at the time, was regarded as heretical. In fact the Christian social order was one based upon the notion that you weren't wholly part of society if you're outside its religious life. Literally the medieval town was revolved around Religion. Mass, the Sacraments, and Religious Feasts were the hallmark of peasant life, it was what their world revolved around. Heretics of all stripes were seen as a threat to the social order and antisocial miscreants. The whole reason the Anabaptists were so hated at the time was because Baptism represented your spiritual AND legal initiation into the community and to tear away that sacrament would introduce chaos into the medieval worldview. "Pluralism" and "Tolerance" only emerged after Protestantism had shattered the idea of a united Christendom and because nationalism ultimately supplanted Religion as the most important force in society.

>The pagan ethos, across immense spans of history and geography and cultures, has always been a rejection of reason and objective moral truth (along with the entire idea of objectivity), and a radical embrace of relativism and subjectivity in every realm of life. Paganism embraces a divinization of the here and now, of things and even people. Its creed, so far as it has one, can be summed up in the maxim: Nothing is true, everything is permitted.


Oh boy a fucking Assassin's Creed reference. Well I hate to fucking burst your bubble but there's never been a cohesive pagan ethos. Paganism was just a term used in an increasingly Christianized Rome to refer to fucking COUNTRY BUMPKINS. The Pagans were caricatured as rural hicks sticking to "the old ways" rather than the metropolitan Christians. If anyone is a fucking Pagan in today, it's the goddamn modern Right! Every claim is a fucking confession with them!

"Paganism" is a totally useless term here. Where "Paganism" existed (and still exists) is more or less as a collection of folk practices SUPPLEMENTED BY PHILOSOPHY YOU FUCKING RETARD. Abrahamic faiths are unique in being moral philosophies that stamped out the old Pagan faiths rather than exist alongside them. Buddhism and Confucianism supplemented traditional Pagan practices, and shit like Stoicism and Cynicism were the same for Greco-Roman Paganism until Christianity came along. And even fucking THEN the Pagans didn't universally embrace "relativism and subjectivity in every realm of life." There were still social mores and norms because those are fucking necessary to live in a large and complex society.

>What that means in practice, of course, is a society in which power and force, not democracy or human rights or universal moral principles, rule the day.


When the Supreme Court ruled that the Cherokee had every fucking right to their land and shouldn't be pushed off by settlers, ol' hickory Andrew Jackson said "Lol, well try and stop me." Charlemagne committed atrocities to LARP as a biblical king. Shit, lemme quote some other piece of media since you referenced AssCreed:
<“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms”

>This is why the most advanced pagan societies have always taken the form of slave empires. They are societies in which power alone determines what is right. In such societies, the ruling class is free to do as they please as regards the underclass, who are obliged to adhere to the state morality and do as they’re told.


I mean Hinduism and Shintoism can both be considered forms of Paganism and they're modern capitalist states. Also are we going to pretend that the Transatlantic Slave Trade wasn't a thing? For fuck's sake Strom Thurmond had a black lovechild you fucking cretin. The "ruling class does what it wants and the underclass has to obey" is a recurring theme throughout any civilization's history.

>Understood in that light, we can see the outlines of a modern form of paganism emerging in our time, especially on the political left.


The Right, right now, is accusing Biden of being a pedophile without evidence while ignoring Trump's obvious ties to Epstein and comments on underage girls.

>The official morality of the left forbids any dissent from the LGBT agenda and its claims about identity, for example. This is why lawmakers in deep-blue states like California want to make it a crime if parents don’t affirm their child’s “gender identity.”


The "LGBT Agenda" is to be able to let a dude suck cock or become a girl if he/she wants. Let's talk about *your* agenda, the "Christian" one. You want to forbid any dissent from some heteronormative orthodoxy. You fucking whine and shit your pants if a company parades some rainbow flag for Pride Month. But you're whining about supposed "pluralism" and "tolerance" only when it comes to your ability to discriminate. And finally: your kids aren't your fucking property. You don't have the right or the obligation to force them to adhere to your views.

>This is why public schools, captured by leftist ideologues, aggressively indoctrinate students in gender theory, and even socially “transition” children without the knowledge of their parents.


Point to a concrete example of "aggressively indoctrinating students". One fucking concrete example. And it's not like schools are making kids think they're gay, teachers are extremely regulated in how they interact with their students. The fact is if a student is telling a teacher their gender identity rather than their parents, it's because their parents are probably narcissistic pricks who might try to "beat the gay out" of their kids. The myth that parents have their childrens' best interests at heart is as stupid as "kids are precious little angels who are so innocent and naïve." Sometimes kids can be little shits and parents can obsess over living vicariously through their kid.

>In other words, it should be obvious by now that there are no neutral spaces anymore. There never were, really.


If there weren't ever neutral spaces then why do you contradict yourself by whining about some bygone era of social tolerance and pluralism.

>Secular liberalism was a luxury only a predominantly Christian society could afford. Without societal norms derived from Christianity, sustained by the actual practice of the Christian faith among the people, liberalism decays.


You're whining about people not letting you try to drown your kid in the bathtub. The current decay of norms and tolerance are predominantly driven by conservatives shitting themselves and trying to legislate their retrograde views into hegemony.

>Recall that Christianity is the only moral system that has ever protected minority rights, for example, or ever declared that each person has inherent dignity.


Islam made actual allowances for religious minorities whereas most of the Christian world persecuted them, India was a melting pot of various religious faiths, we've got letters from Chinese emperors who legalized the building of temples to multiple faiths, the Sikhs promote tolerance and community with all religions, you can even find writings from the fucking stoics that talked about the cruelty in which Romans treated their slaves. Maybe if you opened a goddamn book for once you'd realize that this absurd worldview Conservatives developed doesn't fucking adhere to reality.

God FUCKING damn this makes me mad. I was studying comparative religion in fucking highschool while this chucklefuck was slurping "muh Judeo-Christian Values" out of Ben Shapiro's boycunt.

 

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>>1848494
culture war brainrot

 

>objective moral truth
holy hell, i can't read this


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