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>>2001223>>2002812If Kamala loses I think she should do a coup. You're going to transfer power to a guy who doesn't believe in democracy? Doesn't seem right. It'd be kind of a Schmittian move, destroy democracy to preserve democracy. Trump's jet shot down by the woke military junta as he tries to flee to El Salvador. Nothing to it.
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>>2002885Not really by the normal indicators it should be an easy win for Harris but it still feels very much up in the air to me.
I wouldn't place money on either candidate.
>>2002886>not reallyi don't know, 3 days ago another bombshell dropped about the walls closing in on trump
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-warns-trump-removed-ballot-john-anthony-castro-1829913this could be the beginning of the end
Styxhexenhammer666 reveals he has Trump under his occult protection, laughs at reddit "witches" thinking they can bind him
>Come back to me when you've edited 500 occult books like I have>You don't even know the pedigree of magic you're practicinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEqFnJpTpAI enjoy his bewildered amusement at these low-level larping wiccas who thought they could get through the protective spells of a real wizard. It's also interesting food for thought. When you see Trump dodge that bullet by centimeters you think to yourself "is this an election or is this a wizards' battle?"
>>2002868govt subsidies and govt contracts
same reason the bourgeoisie wanted trump's wall. not to "stop muh illegals," which they benefit from in many ways, but to get free contracts to build a giant useless thing that does nothing.
>>2003069Yeah but Biden already does this. He recently signed a bill raising the tariffs on Chinese EVs (which would compete with Teslas) from 20% to 100%. He's also passed subsidies like the CHIPS Act to "bring back manufacturing" for whatever the fuck reason, a policy goal which would likely benefit Tesla and SpaceX.
Slamming China with tariffs due to some half-cocked idea that we need to build our own coffee machines is bipartisan at this point.
>>2003074from american state media:
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tariffs-harris-trump-biden-more-than-60-09042024142328.html<Trump's proposed tariffs, particularly his across-the-board 10% or 20% levy on all imports, are viewed as being highly disruptive to the global trading system. Economists at the Peterson Institute for International Economics calculated that the proposed Trump tariffs could cost a middle-earning U.S. household an additional $2,600 per year.<The Democratic candidate has criticized Trump's across-the-board tariff proposals for their broad and indiscriminate nature, and argued they would cost Americans $4,000 a year in increased prices.<But Harris has not rejected the use of tariffs outright. Instead, she has advocated for " targeted and strategic tariffs" that "support workers" in certain cases but otherwise allow free-trade to determine prices.trump wants tariffs on
all imported goods, kamala's proposal is nowhere near as extreme
>>2003021>REEEEEEEEEE STOP CRITICIZING MY FAVORITE DADDY REEEE REEEEEFucking hell you've been throwing tantrums and shitting up this thread for
months.
>inb4:<REEEE FALLACY REE<AD HOMINEM REEEE<DEMCEL REEEEE REEEEE<REEEE DEBATE ME REEEEEHeard it all before, not convinced, nobody is interesting in giving your bad arguments the time of day
>>2003107And you have been shilling democrats for months. You praised Coconut as a progressive giant going into the DNC and Tim Walz as the socdem savior. Your crying because you have been getting pushback for
months we don't need discussions because you will defend your genocidal administration to its last breathe and make excuses for them and being called a demcel is the least of the things you can be called. You can be called much worse
>>2003145Let me rate your voot.
>PSL>communist: +1point>anti-imperialist: +1point>not funny: -5 pointsyour voote evaluation is -3 points
>>2003165It shouldn't hit but someone gets heated when it gets said.
>most libs are normal guys who want harm reduction or stop seeing the gross magafag hogs everywhere. give it upLibs and MAGAfags are not normal by any stretch. the majority of Americans don't vote and are not even interested in politics finding it annoying. Libs talking about harm reduction usually lecture about lesser evil and if you don't vote the right way you are a terrible person. That's annoyjng. MAGAfags speak for themselves with the delusions that a billionaire will eliminate the swamp and muh illegal immigrants or muh woke, CRT,DEI or whatever alphabet acronym the shrizos find. Seen as annoying. Majority of Americans would prefer a military Junta at this point over the two party bourgeois clownshow. But it keeps people in line so they will keep the charade going until it collapses in on itself
>>2003244The outrage is aimed more at the expats in the United States than guys on the island.
Also for other hispanics and/or committed anti-racists who find the statement disgusting even if they aren't personally targeted by it.
>>2003252they're both in green
also my point is a lot of zoomer women are actually mad at dems on this point
>>2003257she's right though. the dems increased the rate and frequency of their automated e-begging right after roe was overturned, and their automated e-begging made specific reference to protecting reproductive rights. they used the overturning of roe as an opportunity to e-beg more, despite doing nothing while in power. i can see why she's mad.
>offendedyes, people are offended when their legal rights are eroded and the people who did nothing to stop it beg for more money. are you surprised by this?
>>2002812Hows the election going? Did you vote?
How long will it take us for results? From what i remember in the other ones you guys are retarded and can't count properly.
P.S. Why is it in America they always make old black ladies work in the voting places? i always noticed this.
>>2003257>getting offended by the automated donation textsClearly it wasn't just the sms retard, it was the fact they refuse to make it a law because it's something that plays well during the campaign year. As, you know, she literally stated. It's 50 seconds. How shot are some of you's attention span?
>>2003166>Let me guess, hazoid voting Trump "for the meme"As a secondary arbiter I will allow your contention and say you will only get a -3 for not being funny.
-1. Not bad. But unfortunately I must deduct 6 points for the foul, that is, your /ISG/ behaviour.
A grand total offffff,
MINUS 6!You're the first to be graded so it's still all to play for, anon!
>>2003297hillary had the harry potter hype behind it tho
it was a wild ride if you were a lib
>>2003300>they're wearing green in front of a green screendoubt it
>lightingyes, when you walk up to news anchors they shine camera lights on you from the front so you don't look half-lit
12% of the top r/politics headlines over the past month came from Kamala Harris volunteers who are coordinating on the official Harris-Walz Discord server.
Hereâs the mechanics of how Kamala is actively ruining Reddit:
https://thefederalist.com/2024/10/29/busted-the-inside-story-of-how-the-kamala-harris-campaign-manipulates-reddit-and-breaks-the-rules-to-control-the-platform/This is impressive research showing what they do
>>2003272>Hows the election going? We just don't know.
>Did you vote?Yes.
>How long will it take us for results? From what i remember in the other ones you guys are retarded and can't count properly.That's true. It depends on how it goes at first and the combinations of swing states. If Harris wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin it's ogre for Trump. If she loses Wisconsin, she still has a chance with Georgia / North Carolina / Arizona. But Arizona counts late. If she's getting blown out in the Midwest then it's ogre for Harris. If she's winning Pennsylvania and Michigan *and* Georgia early on then she wins. If she's winning North Carolina (seems like a long shot) it's a blowout.
>Why is it in America they always make old black ladies work in the voting places? i always noticed this.They're old ladies who pick it up as a temp job, but I think this is actually historically constituted, black Americans work in the public sector more than whites because of longstanding anti-racist hiring practices in the government by federal law. If you go through airport security here, you'll often see African-Americans working for the TSA. A lot of women. The U.S. Postal Service has had these practices dating back to shortly after the Civil War. Depending on their age, some of these old black ladies (in southern states) were alive when there was still formal, legal segregation.
>>2003040>>2003042I remember lowkey hearing that Castro did have some Santeria practitioner bless him during his Guerilla campaign. Got a Che Guevara biography that also brings up his mother was into astrology.
Also: new Vatican mascot just dropped.
>>2003272>how's the electionstupid
>did you voteyes, only because there was a couple of state amendments I cared about
>>2003344Idk to be honest. But I think recently in the last few years he's probably taken in thousands of zoomer listeners.
>>2003343Yes but the majority will vote Kamala
>>2003346Early voting has been opened since Oct 17th here. Tf are you even talking about lol. MAIL IT IN????
Is this babby's first election?
>>2003351They're just seething because his podcast gets a lot of eyeballs. People want to see/hear whatever dumb shit he says, especially his haters.
No one gives a fuck about what kamala has to say though.
>>2003325Coconut
>>2003341>when are the results published?After the polls close on election night, they'll all start rolling in from east coast to west coast (we have multiple time zones), but if it's close then it will take longer to know who's winning especially if it's Arizona which for some reason takes a week to count ballots and we might not know who wins that for days. Then other states won't have all the votes counted on election night, but the margins will be such that election knowers will call those states because it'll be statistically impossible for the losing candidate to make up the margins.
Basically early on the states that matter are Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin; and Georgia and North Carolina. You can basically ignore the other states.
>>2003351>are demcels really swayed by the joe rogan show. is anyone really? I dunno but a lot of recent Trump decisions to go on Joe Rogan and invite the edgy comedian from the Joe Rogan Extended Universe is aimed at getting young men to show up.
>>2003340I think it's silly but a bit charming. No surprise it's controversial though, probably a bunch of tradcaths malding about it (not like they haven't been jerking it to Christ-Chan porn for years by now) because it interrupts their fantasy of some gothic medieval Church that worships the God-Emperor of Mankind. Like that's the thing about them, they're dreadfully self-serious and they don't actually want to practice a religion, they want to engage in some postmodern art project where a guy chants in a "cool" language they barely understand and there are skulls and spooky imagery all over the walls.
I can totally understand that there's some "cringe" with the whole "hello fellow kids" vibe some churches do. Guitar masses and all that. I went to evangelical church once for a friend and the pastor wore khakis and had this whole "sleek" startup-founder vibe. It wasn't for me.
But the thing is, major religions want to be part of peoples' life, if for no other reason than self-preservation. And sometimes that means stumbling into some "hello fellow kids" vibe. Sometimes it means taking a break from the seriousness to have some anime mascot.
I forget where I saw this, but someone once pointed out that the "trad caths" trying to mimic some older form of Catholicism were completely distinct from the medieval peasants that
actually lived through their "ideal" Catholicism and thought their priest could do magic and would 100% wear football jerseys to mass if they could.
Post-Modernity exists, the past 500+ years actually happened, and it affects priests just as much as laity. Priests grow up eating the same food as us, consuming the same media as us, and broadly speaking living the same lives as us.
Shit I once saw a vlog from a Franciscan friar I believe, and in the background he had a copy of the complete works of H.P. Lovecraft and the Arkham Horror boardgame in his room. I found a fucking priest that reviews videogames. These aren't guys that were transplanted from the middle ages and think they can ward off the plague by scourging themselves. They're people. Hell I'm sure a few of them probably even watch anime.
>>2003385Arizona took a long time in 2016. I think it was just clear Hillary was getting BTFO'd early in the evening as she lost Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin which for a Democrat is like an airplane suddenly breaking in half mid-air, there's no way to recover from losing all three of those states.
>>2003387I don't actually know, and different states count them in their own ways. Ah, federalism…
>>2003397it was anarchists.
screenshot this.
>>2003396Trump is worse for the American "people" and therefore better for the world.
America must be destroyed, and Trump will destroy it more quickly.
>>2003397Let me rate your voot.
>Set voting booth on fire>radical: +1 point>anti-imperialist: +1 point>striked in the heart of empire +2 points>funny: +13 pointsyour voote evaluation is 17 points
That's gonna be tough to beat.
>>2003320>They're old ladies who pick it up as a temp job, but I think this is actually historically constituted, black Americans work in the public sector more than whites because of longstanding anti-racist hiring practices in the government by federal law. If you go through airport security here, you'll often see African-Americans working for the TSA. A lot of women. The U.S. Postal Service has had these practices dating back to shortly after the Civil War. Depending on their age, some of these old black ladies (in southern states) were alive when there was still formal, legal segregation.That's interesting, thanks.
Yea, when you think about it Black lady is the archetype for the 'DMV' and Mailperson too, in american media.
>>2003373Joe Rogan talking to Hitler would be boring. But get Himmler and you'd have a fucking legendary podcast. Fucking spilling the deep Aryan lore like Tolkien writing the Silmarillion. Goering would be a decent shitposter.
>>2003379Pic.
>>2003395I mean we just have to consider that Mexico has traditionally been super-Catholic and also into Dragonball Z so it's not like anime is "foreign" to Catholics.
>>2003409Unironically reading-levels have fallen dramatically in the states. There are teachers saying students in fucking highschool are functionally illiterate.
Dunno whether it's the fact they're just given a screen and told to stop bothering mom and dad, a complete unwillingness to try, or the only path to social advancement seemingly being "content creation" for a lot of young people. Makes me glad reading was one of my hobbies as a kid.
>>2003407>>2003410The Chapos called out that exact personality with their "Hot Couch Guy" bit. Fundamentally I think the Trump campaign courting terminally online podcast bros is gonna backfire. Like it could be that a good portion of these guys like Trump and think he's funny, but don't even have the energy or drive to actually vote for him.
>>2003403American presidential elections are kind of like a boardgame. The first candidate to 270 points wins. And then some states are solid Republican and some are solid Democrat, so those points are already on the board, and it comes down to the swing states. So people can get a sense of who wins depending on where those swing states are going pretty early on because that's just how the math works out.
Here's a handy tool to play around with combinations of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona and Nevada:
https://www.270towin.com/>>2003422>Yea, when you think about it Black lady is the archetype for the 'DMV' and Mailperson too, in american media.Yep exactly. Historically, they could get jobs without a college degree and the government wouldn't discriminate against them compared to white bosses in the private sector, and they'd get a union pension and could retire. Municipal workers too. MLK was shot in Memphis which he was visiting to support a strike by city sanitation workers. This also gets political, like unionized workers in the U.S. are disproportionately African-American because of the public sector unions. It's not just idpol that blacks vote in large numbers for Democrats, there are jobs on the line. Republicans try to cut the public services and hand things over to the private sector. A few years ago, Janelle Monae made a political video for one of her songs with lots of imagery and it included a wall of postal boxes, which became a rallying cry against the Republicans:
https://youtu.be/8CFrCk6_0rM>>2003431>I was going to ask why would you even do that when you could hold elections in public schools and other state buildings that exist in basically every urban center, but then I remember your elections last several daysThat is traditionally how it's done in person. If you vote in person you're more likely than not to do it in a school (or other government building), but yeah, mail-in voting becoming a widespread thing is relatively recent in the country's history and really ever since COVID. And also I think part of it is to increase turnout because election day falls on a weekday. The way it works where I live, you can request a mail-in ballot, or vote early in a few select places (county buildings, and the local school district's administration building, which is where I went), and then on election day itself the number of IRL polling places expands to include a bunch of schools, maybe a fire station here and there, but you have a particular precinct location.
>>2003404which bourgeois party is in power will barely make a difference to the burgerreich's demise. the burgerreich's demise is coming from BRICS, dedollarization, the axis of resistance, the developing global south, etc.
americans pay no attention to the consequences of their own foreign policy, and don't know the world hates them. they are blissfully ignorant of the external contradictions, which is the true cause of their downfall.
>>2003477>anglo boxvidrel
>bend downmidgetchads stay winning
>>2003498>Tariffs only push the costs onto the Americans not the foreign companiesThis is fake news. You repeat Economista verbatim. Tariffs take capitalist profits. Capitaliats charge maximum no matter what. You buy demcel economist cope hook line sinker. It hurts the capitaliats, which is why they all hate tariffs
>vidrelThis is what MAGA fasciats will do to you
>>2003498>The American "economy" is unironically unfixable. Trump and his bullshit tariffs won't work because of what Americans consume are foreign manufactured products, even the raw resources are foreign. Tariffs only push the costs onto the Americans not the foreign companies and because there is very little actual American manufacturing it also doesn't encourage Americans to buy 'American' because most companies find it more convenient to have their products made outside this countryI pretty much said this, the fed won't defund itself and will just rebrand and repackage and new taxation method to bamboozle people.
US economy is fixable, but not in ways that will screw up the ruling class.
>>2003529tariffs are retarded unless you're trying to win a war against the country the production is outsourced to. You're paying a premium to onshore production.
i.e. the only reason to do tariffs on china is to wage a war on china later
>>2003527>Time to learn GermanLol no, germany economy will be smaller than Indonesia in a couple of years.
But alas, the times they are a changing.
>>2003498The inefficiencies of the American economy are because it broadly isn't planned and, since neoliberalism, the means of directly tinkering with it or shaping it in a certain direction have been castrated. Fixing things
would be possible, but it'd require a kind of political command that just isn't possible anymore in politics.
For example, California's high-speed rail project. Now personally I'm all in favor of high speed rail, but the thing is way over budget and not even being built. Why? Well beyond Trump killing funds for it, you've got this struggle between locals and capitalists over where the rail goes and if it should even be built at all (see Elon Musk and his hyper loop horseshit)
Maybe if the project were smallscale (let's say: connect the San Fernando Valley and LA) it'd be done by now and we'd be reaping some obvious economic rewards: an easier commute to LA means workers save money, local businesses earn more, etc. You can have gradual expansion of the rails from there. Instead you've got this haphazard program where local counties are all vying for extra stops along the rail, and a harebrained scheme to start off big barely break ground.
Like unironically to fix our economy, I think the shortest route to it is that you'd need to suspend a lot of American political norms. Kind of a 5-year-plan sorta deal. It doesn't help that the Right is mobilized against
any change, no matter how non-controversial it is; let's not forget that they got people out to protest walkable cities as some kind of authoritarian plot.
>>2003641>the system is against himPlot twist:
He's cucked by the system.
>>2003482sad to think that all people have to do is use some faceapp bullshit with a bunch of filters on it to trick retards into thinking demons are real
>>2003486i didn't know qtard boomers posted here
>>2003315>It takes Palantir tier resources to conclusively expose reddit capture, confirmedintra glow factional fighting. give me more.
>>2003316>Frankly I am surprised that number isn't higher.same
>>2003552it won't happen since the us deindustrialized and china produces tons of shit. the tariffs won't do anything other than make americans pay more for their toys. not to mention the fact that the us is not equipped to fight a fellow military power, all they know is stomp brown person grow poppy and lie.
>>2003529>vidreminds me of when the campaign tried to do actual progressive messaging
if the dems pumped a pro-labour campaign they'd be +5 lol
>>20037151 isg
2 nobody cares
3 most people who want the option to abort kids if they're not ready don't care what other people do with theirs. only weirdos demand others abort their kids
>>2003704pls stop whatever it is you're trying to do here
>>2003712don't waste you breath on it
>>2003753How fucked is Musk, knowing the vindictiveness of libs, if Trump looses election?
Can i see the desperation in his eye or am i imagining things?
Why Iâm Voting for Kamala Harris to Protect Trump (Yes, You Read That Right)
Okay, folks, Iâve had it up to here with the ridiculousness surrounding this election! Let me just lay it out straight: Iâm voting for Kamala Harris, and before you lose your minds, hear me out!
First of all, I love Donald Trump. Yes, I said it! The man is a legend, a fighter, and we all know the deep state has been out to get him since day one. Itâs like watching a movie where the hero keeps getting ambushed, and Iâm done sitting on the sidelines. If voting for Kamala Harris is what it takes to protect Trump from those assassination attempts and threats, then so be it!
Letâs face it: the current administration has shown us just how corrupt and twisted things can get. Theyâre using every dirty trick in the book to undermine Trump and his supporters. Kamala might be on the other side of the aisle, but honestly, sheâs not the one sending hit squads after him. It's the CIA and FBI. She's just a grandma on Xanax. An ex-prostitute made into a figurehead. At least with Kamala, thereâs a chance she might keep the chaos at bay, giving Trump time to regroup.
And letâs talk about Mar-A-Lago! The man deserves to have his own government in exile if thatâs what it comes to. Can you imagine? A capitol right there in Florida, where he can plot his glorious comeback while sipping iced tea by the pool! If Kamala Harris is the ticket to getting Trump back in the game, then she has my vote. Itâs all about strategy, people!
Iâm sick of people who canât see the bigger picture. This isnât about blind loyalty; itâs about keeping our hero safe while he figures out how to dismantle the swamp. Weâre at the rubicon, and itâs time to cross and make some unconventional choices.
So, if youâre with me and want to protect Trump from whatever sinister plans the deep state has in store, maybe itâs time to reconsider your options. Iâm ready to roll the dice on this one, even if it means casting a ballot for demcels. Sometimes youâve got to play the game to change the game!
GOD BLESS THE USA AND DEATH TO THE DEEP STATE
>>2003758I'm not optimistic that the liberals will do much. But I think one of the background problems is that billionaires such as Musk realize that there's no way forward where both the U.S. retains its preeminence and they retain their influence. For the U.S. to retain its strength, the government needs to tax them more and implement economic reforms that will reduce consolidation and bring about more realistic values of many corporations. No way are companies like Tesla worth anything close to their valuation and things like crypto are improperly valued way beyond Tesla.
But rather than allow a shift to an institutional regime that is less favorable to billionaires (though one in which they retain significant power) they prefer to take the risk of moving to an outright kleptocracy. Sure, growth rates will almost certainly crater but they will keep what they have and be able to buy the wreckage of the rest of the economy. On a lesser scale, a lot of Trump voters see themselves similarly. They would rather be making cheap crap that is more expensive and lower quality than Chinese imports than to get jobs in green energy, chip making, and other growing industries. They're willing to bring down everyone else so they can get the kind of work they are used to, even if it pays poorly and they're producing cheap junk.
>>2003809The NEETs go marching one by one, hurrah, hurrah
The NEETs go marching one by one, hurrah, hurrah
The NEETs go marching one by one, they need a haircut and some sun
They all go marching
up
to their rooms
to play COD
sleep till noon
>>2003680Trump was supposed to lose in 2016: he won
Trump was supposed to lose in 2020: he lost
Trump is supposed to lose in 2024:?
We are in unknown waters
>>2003862Y'know I gotta wonder if they called themselves "The Resistance" as some bizarre marketing ploy 'cause nuStar Wars was coming out at the same time.
Another thing that gets me is liberals' passive acceptance of their own impotence. Like I heard plenty of variations of "IF TRUMP WINS AND WE GO TO THE CAMPS, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR A SINGLE PERSON TALK ABOUT JILL STEIN ON THE WAY THERE!"
Like they've basically accepted that once the right wins, even if their lives are imperiled, they aren't going to actually
do anything. Just get angry at people who didn't vote for their candidate. Like if their fantasy of being led to the death camps was true, they're so afraid of "breaking rules" that you could probably just keep them in a prison without walls and they'd wait peacefully to be euthanized.
It's not even just that their resistance is performative, like, they're so afraid of teacher being upset with them they can't conceptualize actual resistance.
>>2003547Youre a retard. You post and add nothing but ad hominem fallacy, shove your ad hom and your economism up your ass, demcel.
>>2003552>taxing capitalists with tariffs is… le bad. Trust the bourgeois economic theoryIm sorry, Mr. Economist, but your lies cannot stand.
>>2003558Tariffs are direct tax on the international bourgeoisie.
>>2003878Drumpf owned
Fact-checked to oblivion
Republikkkans = fake news
>>2003879Demcel hysteria. They depend upon fallacy to justify their bourgeois thought as correct
I WAS BUSY BEFORE WHEN YPU ATTACK ME WITH FALLACY, BUT I WANT TO DRINK DEMCEL BLOOD, AND THE BLOOD OF ECONOMISTS. COME OUT, ECONOMISTS, AND TELL ME WHY TAXING THE INTERNATIONAL CAPITALISTS IS LE BAD
TELL ME WHY TARIFFS ARE LE BAD. TELL ME WHY TAXING CAPITALISTS IS BAD. TELL ME WHY
>>2003885She cute
still not going to church though
>>2003888Tariffs make profit go down. Tariff good for us bad for capital very simple yes?
>>2003889I am only one of those. We are many, demcel.
>>2003909kamala has no presence, and what's there is obnoxious (replacing lack of personality with cackling, smiling like a schizo, nodding her head as she talks, etc.)
she only got to where she is be sleeping her way to the top. she's a whore. not that there's anything wrong with that.
>>2003915Lmao
>>2003921Why's a segment of the bourgeois so invested in spreading vaccine schizo theories? Is it just so they can hawk healing crystals and vitamin supplements for the inevitable measles outbreak?
>>2003933i think this is a good thing, american food is unhealthy and they sell you a bunch of shit that is illegal in the rest of the world
look up the ingredients for a product in america and then compare it with their counterpart outside america
>>2003937>Why's a segment of the bourgeois so invested in spreading vaccine schizo theories?Good question… I dunno the anti-vaxx stuff has been a rich person's quackery for awhile. When I read about anti-vaxxers before COVID, it was described as a trend in wealthy areas. RFK Jr. is a rich liberal who just a few years ago was shilling for Hillary and calling Trump a Russian agent.
One theory is that these trends are cyclical and tied to wealth, class and status. So, when vaccines were first available you only had access if you had money, so it was kind of a status symbol to say you had your kids vaccinated. But now they're widely accessible, so the trend to go against it is a way of saying "I'm better than you because I don't NEED to vaccinate my children." MY KIDS are special snowflakes and different, not part of the common herd like everyone else in a time when vaccination is for everyone. MY KIDS go to private school, not public school. They only eat health foods, not hot dogs or mac & cheese.
First-worlders (particularly the rich) are also less exposed to the horrors of disease (particularly for children) compared to the past. It used to strike real fear into the hearts of people, and when vaccines were introduced there was real incentive to get them. And I have a reasonable suspicion this anti-vaxx stuff is much less common in poor countries that do suffer from endemic diseases that have been mostly eradicated in rich countries.
>>2003965RFK jr actually convinced some villages in, I think it was El Salvador, not to get a vaccine for measles because it was dangerous. Lo and behold a measles outbreak happens and tons of people, including children, died.
That said looking for the âbourgeoisieâs motive behind anti vaxxâ stuff is silly. Itâs implying some kind of plan or conscious choice when it really can just boil down to the rich not being archons of capital consciously enacting the will of their dark god, but people who can be just as fucking stupid and desperate for esteem as proles. Musk probably didnât buy Twitter because he was consciously trying to shape the zeitgeist towards fascism, but because heâs a fucking dweeb whoâs desperate for attention and acclaim. He wants people to think heâs funny or cool or whatever. Like heâs one of the richest men on earth and heâs as enslaved to posting as anyone else.
I think RFK jr probably has that same malaise you see among bored housewives. This imperceptible feeling that something is âwrongâ and he needs to âfixâ it through absurd homeopathic horseshit. The plea for ânaturalâ cures being an expression of alienation from the artificiality of late capitalism, as though consuming a plant to cure a disease is a better alternative than taking a pill that uses the specific enzyme in that plant that fights illness. Itâs a new kind of opiate, an alternative religion, though one with dire consequences.
>>2003843How was trump supossed to win in 2020? All social media cockblocked him, biden outperformed him by 8 points in all polls and betting markets, and the only visible campaign was dems freaking out to force his shills to #vote
Was anyone expecting trump to be reelected other than his own followrs?
>>20040644cuck per se is not popular anymore
Chuds now roam discord, telegram, xitter, instagram and Soyjak sharty.
>>2004067 (me)
>Clicking out *cucking out
>>2004067Do they? This is offensive if anything
Politicians are never expected to call the proles bad lest we talk about lumpen or reactionary types.
Calling half of your constituents garbage will just rally them and make you loke like a sellout
Altough its probably better than campaigning with CHENEY
As Rolling Stone reports, Musk, who Trump has vowed will oversee the âefficiencyâ of government agencies if heâs elected president, said during a virtual town hall on Friday that Americans will need to endure âtemporary hardshipâ if Trump wins.
" He made the comments Friday in a virtual town hall on his website, X. When asked about âtackling the nationâs debt,â he mentioned changing the tax code, and then went on to say there would be some financial difficulty imposed on some Americans. âMost importantly, we have to reduce spending to live within our means,â he said, adding that these efforts will âinvolve some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity.â"
>be billionaire who makes money off of selling things
>tells americans not to spend money on things
Big brain moment right here.
>>2003990>RFK jr actually convinced some villages in, I think it was El Salvador, not to get a vaccine for measles because it was dangerous. Lo and behold a measles outbreak happens and tons of people, including children, died.source?
>That said looking for the âbourgeoisieâs motive behind anti vaxxâ stuff is silly.>implying some kind of planIt's the conservative side, and it's easy, and it is a plan.
Watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BIcAZxFfrctl;dw, it has to do because they want to offer their own "alternative", almost always without not one ounce of scientific background.
>>2003937>>2003965
>Why's a segment of the bourgeois so invested in spreading vaccine schizo theories?see:
>>2004081 (me)
I am very obnoxious when people try to describe things that aren't hard to describe, and pretend there isn't information, where there's plenty and even compacted.
>>2004081I was incorrect, it wasn't El Salvador, it was Samoa
https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-vaccines-2ccde2df146f57b5e8c26e8494f0a16a
>Kennedyâs role in legitimizing anti-vaccine activism has not been limited to the U.S. Perhaps the most well-known example was in 2019 on the Pacific island nation of Samoa.
>That year, dozens of children died of measles. Many factors led to the wave of deaths, including medical mistakes and poor decisions by government authorities. But people involved in the response who spoke to AP said Kennedy and the anti-vaccine activists he supported made things worse.
>In June 2019, Kennedy and his wife, the actress Cheryl Hines, visited Samoa, a trip Kennedy later wrote was arranged by Edwin Tamasese, a Samoan local anti-vaccine influencer.
>Vaccine rates had plummeted after two children died in 2018 from a measles vaccine that a nurse had incorrectly mixed with a muscle relaxant. The government suspended the vaccine program for months. By the time Kennedy arrived, health authorities were trying to get back on track.
>He was treated as a distinguished guest, traveling in a government vehicle, meeting with the prime minister and, according to Kennedy, many health officials and the health minister.
>He also met with anti-vaccine activists, including Tamasese and another well-known influencer, Taylor Winterstein, who posted a photograph of herself and Kennedy on her Instagram.
>âThe past few days have been profoundly monumental for me, my family and for this movement to date,â she wrote, adding hashtags including #investigatebeforeyouvaccinate.
>A few months later, a measles epidemic broke out in Samoa, killing 83 people, mostly infants and children in a population of about 200,000.
>Public health officials said at the time that anti-vaccine misinformation had made the nation vulnerable.
<The crisis of low vaccination rates and skepticism created an environment that was âripe for the picking for someone like RFK to come in and in assist with the promotion of those views,â said Helen Petousis-Harris, a vaccinologist from New Zealand who worked on the effort to build back trust in the measles vaccine in Samoa.
<Petousis-Harris recalled that local and regional anti-vaccine activists took their cues from Kennedy, whom she said âsits at the top of the food chain as a disinformation source.â
<âThey amplified the fear and mistrust, which resulted in the amplification of the epidemic and an increased number of children dying. Children were being brought for care too late,â she said.
>Kennedyâs campaign did not respond to emails seeking comment about Samoa, though he says on his campaign website that he had no role in the outbreak. He also said in an interview for a forthcoming documentary, â Shot in the Arm,â that he bears no responsibility for the outcome. >>2003947>suppression>on raw milkYES,
YES, more burgers killed,
HOLLY SHIT YES.
dialectics in motion, revolutionary policy. voot trump, comrades.
>>2004115There is a slight but important difference between insulting your political opponents and insulting your constituents
Trump insulting kamala is not the same as trump insulting democrat voters
>>2004100>>2004096lawl, the cia fingering his family got him crazy like a goat.
>>2004107jfc, nta, but you are a moron. PRs born as American as any other Amerimutt, he shat on the Latino vote. why's that so hard to understand by some burgers?
>>2004138But thats funny and directed at a person
Politicians are supossed to pretend they at least care all the same about the people that didnt voted them.
You dont call the people whose country you are running garbage unless you want everyone to think you consider people that aint voting 4u a liability.
And most moderates and indeoendents have relatives that support trump.
This will bomb the news cycle until tomorrow, just like le pierto rico stunt is nothing that grave. But it swings the momentum
>>2004141harris campaign slogan should be
riding with dick.
>>2004053Could it be?
>>2003920Maybe Biden is playing 5d chess.
she screamed âI donât give a fuck about Gaza, bitchâ
>>2004173>I swear the right is so obsessed with the dumbest stuff<le right le leftbro, did you not hear what she said? she screamed âI donât give a fuck about Gaza, bitchâ
She's a centris, but more importantly she's a self-centered PIECE OF SHIT. If I were that Black woman I'd have smacked her fr. cunt. wicked BITCH.
also I refuse to believe america is so fucked up that millions of incidents equivalent to this happen every day. if this happened to my baby I'd fucking go primal I don't give a fuck if it's a woman. you don't scare babies like that.
>>2004177>Everyone who isn't them has to be on their best behavior,geez stop identifying so strongly with the democrat party ffs. what woman was a witch
>>2004178it's nearing election day anon
the shills are in overdrive
>>2004195>no idea how you got Gaza from thatMaybe I'm wrong, I got it from this
https://nitter.poast.org/broseph_stalin/status/1850562769952682444#mit sure sounds like "I don't give a fuck about gaza" though
anyways even if it is some rightoid leftoid shit it's still evil to frighten a little child like that. to interpret it the most generous way possible she is unbelievably retarded and possibly drunk and these were contributing factors. but even if this were the case, FUCK HER.
>>2004198False flag spotted manufacturing consent
>>2004161JDPON Joe correctly identifies most AmeriKKKans as garbage
>>2004201I think she said the thing yes
ngl the woman yelling was fiiiiine as fuck
>>2004212Honestly, most of the time I wish our enemies were nazi white nationalists
How are you even meant to mobilize political opposition to this? It's almost like it's designed to be so retarded that the liberal managerial elite are by default the only sane ones in the room. At least nazism is an ethos.
>>2004164
>Everyone has been trying to be on their best behavior so they don't blow the electionand that's the dem attempt to cohort the rethugs. to finally water down the current state of political tension between both parties. I am aghast the democrap voting base doesn't realize this simple political attempt.
>>2004189heh, that's a radical liberal.
>>2004234it dont matter
nunna dis matters
>>2004143>>2004129there's been food recalls in damn near every category of food for listeria outbreaks multiple times this year.
i sincerely do not trust porky to keep a milking station like this bacteria-free.
>>2004233people in the reply section should spam:
>DO A RALLY IN PR, PROVE THEY LOVE YOUthe third and successful attempt will be there, lmao
>>2004240It's amazing that the horrible conditions of animal agriculture are open knowledge but if you go vegan suddenly everyone hates you
Go vegan retards, at least for health reasons to not eat globohomo hormones and bacteria
>>2004240that's why you do pasteurization.
>>2004245you need animal-based proteins to not get yourself weakened. babies have died because of obtuse parents that forced their babies into vegan diets.
>>2004243I legit believe a Rally in PR would do wonders for his campaign
Its so novel it would dominate the news cycle for 1 or 2 days
The Starbucks was peaceful, the comforting aroma of coffee wafting through the air as soft jazz played in the background. People sat at their tables, sipping lattes and chatting quietly, sharing laughter and stories. The crowd was mostly longtime Democrats, and there was a shared sense of pride and unity as they discussed the upcoming election. Sunlight filtered in, casting a warm glow over everyone, as though nothing could disturb this sense of calm.
But then, Biden appeared on the TV above the counter, and his words cut through the air like a knife: he called all Trump supporters âgarbage.â Silence fell, and the warmth in the room turned cold. A woman with bright blue hair, known for her fierce loyalty to the Democratic Party, slammed her latte down, standing up with tears of rage in her eyes. âIâve been a Democrat for 25 years! We were supposed to be the party of unity!â she cried, announcing sheâd be sitting out the election in protest. Just then, an older man in a Biden T-shirt tore it off, his voice shaking with anger. âI wonât stand for this betrayal,â he said, vowing to vote for Trump in solidarity with those insulted.
The cafĂŠ erupted into chaos, with voices raised in frustration and disbelief, the energy in the room flipping from unity to fury. Amid the outcry, a 12-year-old girl wearing a Kamala Harris T-shirt stood there, her eyes filling with tears as she watched the people she admired abandon her party. Overwhelmed, she stumbled toward the TV, and with a sudden burst of emotion, she picked up a chair and swung it, smashing the screen to pieces. The fragments fell like shattered hopes, and the room went silent, leaving everyone to grapple with the wreckage of what had once felt like loyalty and unity.
>>2004311Wild they think so lowly of mutts they think they can gaslit people by pretending "are" and "is" is the same gramatically.
Sad that they aee probably right
>>2004264Kill. Kill. Kill!!!
That's the lesson from history. Kill the fascist with a gun.
>>2004335>>2004336When your entire campaign is "TRUMP IS LE DIVISIVE" And "TRUMP CALLED THE ENEMY WITHIN!"
Then the current president of the country calls half of it garbage you kinda shitted on the table
>>2004321>>2004282Nietzsche was right about the cult of pity being a disaster.
>>2004342>Is leftypol doomed to fall to nazbolThe
creation of a kind of NazBol ideology was a historic inevitability the second Bolshevism was emerged. It will pop up again and again for as long as Socialist ideology exists, though it will likely wear different names and diversify its policies. The Left is still in a period of fragmentation and until something new emerges there'll be a multiplicity of tendencies as people struggle for the "secret key" to unlock actual political power.
>>2004350The Trump family are actually relatives of the Chandlers. Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime (PBUH) is slowly developing the Trump bodytype and has also psychically influenced how Trump posts.
>>2004267nah
"deplorables" came from before there was public acknnowledgement of how deep the split was in basic american politics.
Alright, letâs dive into the crazy world of Red Scare and how it flipped LeftyPol upside down. So, youâve got Anna and Dasha strutting onto the scene with their sharp humor and killer looks, turning the place from a serious socialist chat room into a wild meme party. Instead of diving deep into discussions about capitalism and the proletariat, folks were suddenly all about buying Red Scare merch and joking about how Peter Thiel was the new socialist icon. It was like watching a bunch of leftists ditch their serious personas for TikTok-style fun, all while sipping overpriced lattes and throwing around memes like confetti.
Then out of nowhere, we had this wild idea called âMAGA Communism.â Seriously, it was like watching your leftist friends have an identity crisis in real time. One minute theyâre preaching about dismantling the establishment, and the next, theyâre talking about how Trump is some kind of anti-hero. It was chaos! And donât even get me started on the folks who started flirting with NazBol ideologiesâmixing nationalism with socialism in a way that was just cringy. Everyone was trying to make sense of it, but it felt like weâd all stumbled into an absurd political comedy where no one knew the script.
Now, hereâs where it gets spicy: Peter Thiel. Thereâs this hilarious theory that he was behind the scenes, pulling the strings to turn leftists into Trump supporters. Like, picture this tech billionaire sitting in his mansion, thinking, âLetâs turn the chaos of LeftyPol into my own meme factory!â With Anna and Dasha front and center, he used their charm and humor to make it trendy to support Trumpâif you did it ironically, of course. Suddenly, it was almost âcoolâ to wear a MAGA hat as long as you laughed about it. It was like Thiel was orchestrating the biggest political prank of all time, and honestly, it was wild to watch unfold.
In the end, Red Scare didnât just shake things up; it blew the whole damn roof off! Instead of building a serious socialist movement, we ended up with this hilarious blend of irony, memes, and complete confusion. The whole saga is a reminder of how quickly things can change in the wild world of the internet. One minute youâre deep in revolutionary theory, and the next, youâre stuck in a meme vortex, laughing at how ridiculous politics has become. Whether Thiel was the mastermind or just enjoying the chaos, itâs clear weâre living in a time when politics feels less like serious discourse and more like a chaotic meme festival.
>>2004372Democrat turnout is down and republican turnout thus enthusiasm is huge and somehow this translates to you on "coconuts for kamala after 4 years whining about biden"
?
If anything piased conservatives dont show to vote
>>2004405Dasha was on the hit HBO show Succession. She fucked cousin Greg. That's pretty big.
Dasha being revealed to be Jewish makes everything maje sense.
>>2004404My man, Ritchie Torres is objectively a hardcore Zionist, he just happens to represent the Bronx where Democrats pull between 80-90% of the vote.
>>2004408I think she just likes to fuck Jews.
>>20045161. demonrats and rethuglicans can go to hell and die
2. so can /pol/
>>2004630i mean
east germany did follow hitler
>>2003397the problem is that someone cares.
>>2003404>implying trump will hurt america insterests.typical IF delusion.
>>2003426lurk moar.
>>2003404IronFelix is⌠right? Wtf is going on? And to all the people who are like
>but da innocentz will suffer!!!!You canât keep on pushing this problem back, America is heading towards outright fascism but they donât have the numbers to succeed, it will be a tumultuous era where you have to suck it up and fight for what you actually believe in, to put yourself on the line like so many around the world have. Americans are armed to the teeth at public and private levels, one major imperative is to make sure burger fascism doesnât have the chance to try impose force beyond its own borders. They can be stopped at home.
>>2004709>implying Trump will be just as incompetent the second time aroundHis first term threw everyone for a loop. This time the GOP has had 8 years to prepare (since he won in 2016). The party has closed ranks around Trumpism and its operatives are united behind Trump. People like Cheney aren't really relevant any more. They're not pulling people away from the GOP. They're only pulling the dems further to the right. Either party in power at this point are going to continue standing up on the gas pedal.
If there's an argument for the GOP being preferable for the political conditions, it's more that you'd want them to be in power when the big crash hits. Because if the dems end up taking the blame, the far right will be in a good position to recruit way more people.
As someone else pointed out, you could also argue Harris winning would sow more chaos. Trump supporters already don't believe he lost in 2020, and people in his camp like Vance have already been trying to incite terrorism and pogroms. Their reaction to Trump getting BTFO on election day has more potential to kick off civil unrest (Trumpists are more willing to chimp out).
Regardless, both parties are collapsing and burgers are getting more unhinged in general. It probably won't make much difference who wins the election.
>>2004712All of that is moot since Oct 7. Either Harris or Trump canât put the brakes on the MENA war.
>>2004714I agree that Trumpists going on a loss fueled rampage would do a number, but the Trump plan for mass deportations is going to destabilize the country in a way thatâs basically never happened before. Elons plan of extreme austerity is also going to cripple the US economy for at least a decade (heâs promising itâll only be 2 years of pain). It means that the left again has a golden opportunity, much more so than in 2020.
>>2004516alleged anon there says he "infiltrated" a place where
>ive already been invited to a fraudulent ballot fill potluck on thursday where this 70 yo russian saboteurss is hostingso a rethuglican party?
>>2004699they are quick to organize, people underneath, exploited by them, so slow, they even do lipservice for the ruling class annoys me like you have no idea.
and yes, he's not the only doing talks to bankers, obama also, hillary too…
>>2004724only the MEE would interview a person full of shit. her only "logical reason" that trump would be better for Palestine is because
>everyone is scared of himfucking nauseating brainworms she has.
>>2004720>"trump/republicans are more pro-israel than kamala/democrats!"this is a sentiment you read a lot in this general, but is it really true? let's do some research and find out
first let's remember the fact that ~90% of jews in america are zionists
now, let's look at election results and what percentage of them voted democrat
>199280% for bill clinton (democrat)
>199678% for bill clinton (democrat)
>200079% al gore (democrat)
>200476% for kerry (democrat)
>200878% for obama (democrat)
>201269% for obama (democrat)
>201671% for hillary clinton (democrat)
>202068% for joe biden (democrat)
source:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-voting-record-in-u-s-presidential-electionsbonus round
<In a 2018 poll, 71% of American Jews disapproved of Donald Trump's job as president, with only 26% approvingâbeing the lowest approving religious group among those surveyed.source:
https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/half-of-american-jews-identified-as-democrat-in-2018 >>2004760American Jews are far less religious and more liberal than Israelis. That's why
Here is a poll of Israelis for this election. Trump wins 66 to 17%
https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-shows-israelis-massively-favor-trump-over-harris-in-us-election/ >>2004761>American Jews […]still identify themselves as jews and believe in zionism regardless of being "religious" of "secular"
the origin of this specific ethonationalism being a religion does not change the fact that it is ethnonationalism
>>2004768the candidate that gets ~30% of the jewish vote has to bend over backwards in "serve israel" rhetoric to win while the party that hasn't not had a majority of the jewish vote since 1924 doesn't, yes
that's how powerful the zionist lobby is in america
>>2004761>>2004765bah, trump simply knows where the money comes from. zio lobbies are funded by israel, not by American zios. the latter are just a medium, and that
>only 26% approvingzios are more than enough to be a medium to funnel the money from zionisrael to the US.
>>2004774Honestly I think the reason they're so pro Israel is because it's a great grift.
Vote to give Israel billions of taxpayer dollars
IStael then gets funds you in the future heavily
>>2004768>the candidate that gets ~30% of the jewish vote has to bend over backwards in "serve israel" rhetoric to win Yes
>while the party that hasn't not had a majority of the jewish vote since 1924 doesn'tNo. Kamala has had to spend this whole election reaffirming her support for genocide.
Democrats can be critical of Israel if they're out of office, or out of politics entirely, but their politicians are just as zionist as republicans.
>>2004776right, but democrats don't do the whole "make israel great again" or act like lindsey graham going on fox news telling people to focus on israel instead of hurricane victims
i'm saying the difference between them is just how they present, but in policy they're the same brand of zionism
>>2004765Most Jews I've met have been pro-Israel (I've met at least one who wasn't though) but that doesn't mean Israel is their top priority, so they vote for the Democrats because a whole bunch of Jews in the United States are social liberals, not conservatives. There are a lot of people like this. There are Muslims in America who care about Palestine but they vote for the Republicans because they just vibe with them more.
>>2004778If there really was no difference between the Democrats and Republicans when it comes to Israel, then one has to answer why Trump would win in a landslide if only Israelis could vote in U.S. elections. There are ultra-Zionist Democrats though too like Ritchie Torres, but you should just listen to how Israelis talk about it. Listen to this around 33:00 which is a British-born Israeli propagandist interviewing an American-born former Israeli ambassador to the U.S. about American politics. It's pretty fascinating because he says that a big reason for U.S. support of Israel is the military-industrial complex.
>>2004146>>2004206>>2004240ok those are actually some decent arguments.
i would also not trust porky to keep that shit uncontaminated, now that i think about it.
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