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>>2002812>>2004919lights, decorations, colored powders, sweets, snacks, dishes, drinks, like gulab jamun and jalebi, spiced tea, yogurt, lighting of candles, prayer to lakshmi, the goddess of prosperity, fireworks, dancing, music, exchange of gifts. you should dress modestly and remove your shoes before entering the home.
>>2004974she's been doing that her entire political career. democrats in general have. if you think the consensus of "militarize the border" isn't bipartisan you haven't been paying attention
>but muh stronk borders keep out the illegal SCABS who took muh jobsexcept ICE funnels people into human trafficking and CBP is full of corrupt gun runners and drug mules who use their job as a base of operations
>>2004993>>What will you be watching?CNN all the way baby. Their overall presentation is very aesthetic, and that is the place to watch the best meltdowns.
>>What will you be drinking/smoking?Modelos
>>Who will you be watching it with?Election night party at my place
>>Do you feel guilty about wanting Trump to win?Yes
>>2004993>>What will you be watching?the elections obviously
>>What will you be drinking/smoking?drinking pepsi and smoking that demcel pack
>>Who will you be watching it with?whoever is in the cytube
>>Do you feel guilty about wanting Trump to win?no
>>2004962Biden kept all of Trump's policies.
It literally doesn't matter who wins.
>>2004973>wears sunglass in dark>"I can't see (x)!"hmmmmmmmmmmm
>>2004967ELON!!! ELON WATER WET!!!!! ELON!!!!!!
>>2004962controversial take:
bitching and whining good, actually
>>2004993>Who will you be watching it with?I'll probably stay in and watch it with leftypol.
>>2004997>Election night party at my placeI went to a completely out-of-control party in 2016 with a friend. The house was almost all girls who voted for Hillary and they were having a meltdown. People were crying. Then they started getting angry. One then began interrogating everyone else if they voted for Hillary, and my friend said he did not. "Who did you vote for." He said Monica Moorehead of the Workers' World Party and she glowered at him.
They also had a Trump pinata they were going to smash in celebration, but at one point, one of the girls grabbed it, picked up a baseball bat, ran outside and repeatedly smashed it on the ground while shouting "YOU. SON. OF. A. BITCH!" *whack whack whack*
>>2004993>>What will you be watching?Cytube here.
>>What will you be drinking/smoking?probably tea to be calm
>>Who will you be watching it with?hopefully y'all uyghas
>>Do you feel guilty about wanting Trump to win?I don't want either to win, I want them to all die.
>>2004993>Is everyone ready for election nightwhat's there to be ready for?
>What will you be watching?anything but the election
>What will you be drinking/smoking?i'm sober, employed, and have a child, so nothing.
>Who will you be watching it with?i won't be watching it
>>Do you feel guilty about wanting Trump to win?I don't want either bourgeois genocide-enjoyer to win but have accepted that one of them will. i don't really get mad at demcel women who want their reproductive rights back as long as they openly acknowledge that there is a genocide happening in gaza and the whole country is complicit. i don't really get mad at trumpcel cultists either as long as they acknowledge that their daddy is a massive ziocuck.
too bad most americans are completely indifferent to everyone outside of america. they will cry crocodile tears when the tables are turned on them and nobody cares.
>>2004974Last minute adoption of popular right wing policies in an election seems to be the hip new thing among the faux left. In Canada BC's NDP recently pulled that tactic and squeaked out a win as the incumbent. So being in charge for 4 years and suddenly reversing yourself on existing issues when the polls change can still have you win.
>>2004982>if you think the consensus of "militarize the border" isn't bipartisan you haven't been paying attentionKind of? Like Obama had his fence and for Democrats this was fine but when Trump became popular and then came into power Trump was suddenly this sort of perfect reverse oracle so most everything he said Democrats had to push for the opposite. Part of that is Biden & Harris having 4 years of many more illegal entries than ever before.
On another hand there seems to have been this weird bipartisan consensus to patrol the border but not too much because if the southern border was truly secured then where would all illegal labour come from? A perfectly successful wall would be a death blow to agriculture in the southern US for example.
>>2004993>Is everyone ready for election nightBLOC MAJORITAIRE
>>2005133Eh I'm not sure the details matter, what most people will hear is "hey I'm the peace guy!" (even though his argument against the Democrats is that they aren't doing
enough genocide)
>>2005133The Israeli's are under the delusional belief that they can decouple the northern-front from Gaza and create a peace deal with Hez. They're currently starting to sell this domestically.
Trump probably got this line straight from the netanyahu admin.
>>2005158>You realize millions of the people who did the Russian Revolution had been doing war crimes in an inter-imperialist war right before right?1. they stopped being complicit the moment they took part in revolution instead of just sitting around
2. tsar's army at least was mostly conscript. burgers volunteer to do it
>>2005201Im calling a insane outcome where trump wins all of the sub belt, loses all lf the rust belt but somehow scratches new hampshire or youngkin steals the election in virginia and he wins regardless
Liberals would totally storm the capitol and mar a lago
>>2005105Should have doubled down.
Only way to beat crazy is go turbo crazy.
>>2005197Michigan comes down to one vote and based Chinese agent tips it over the top.
>>2005201The Harris campaign has an ad encouraging this. I know ~polls~ but here's an article that predicts a Harris blowout. Basically the theory rests on women and independents breaking for Harris, but also that the polls are fake, paid for by campaigns to create the illusion of a close race to motivate their supporters. There's also a multi-point gap between TRUMP and Republican Senate candidates in swing states who are trailing behind TRUMP. But in actual elections, there has never been that much ticket splitting, it's very rare and not likely something that's going to happen (or I suppose it could). If TRUMP's actual result is more like the Republican Senate candidates (which this firm thinks will correlate more with the outcome) then he's going to lose.
https://app.vantagedatahouse.com/analysis/TheBlowoutNoOneSeesComing-1 >>2005208>SourceVibes
Jokes aside i really think kamala is not the kind of black that disparages whites.
I vibe that she is reasonably polite in private
>>2005218I’ll believe it when I see it.
I’ve never met a more spiteful creature than a white woman in her 50s stuck in a loveless marriage.
>>2005223Maybe
I believe the roevember meme isnt cutting though.
Then again uyghi haley said trump was using to much "bro" energy in his rallies and scaring women away
But when you see his crowds they are pretty even so idk.
Yesterday i was watching the stream of some random negro in allentown and lots of ladies
>>2005229Trump goes to puerto rico and picks garbage.
Kamala sex tape relased
>>2005237liberals dont believe their own outrage, they pretended to be pissed about a comedian calling puerto rico garbage but said conservatives crying wolf over the sitting president calling half of its constituents garbage is fake outrage after campaigning on "le enemy within" for months
They know their exagerations are bullshit but they dont care
>>2005218>their girlfriends force them legally impossible. you're in a private voting booth. she can't see what you're doing.
it's weird to see delusional retards saying shit like this when it's always been legal for (at least some) men to vote however they want in this godforsaken shithole and women weren't allowed to vote until 1919.
>>2005347Yeah it is
>Gaslighting is a psychological manipulation technique where someone is convinced that their reality is not trueThe video of him speaking clearly shows him saying trump supporters. Then the white House transcript was changed to "supporter's" and since then liberals have been screaming he didn't mean trump supporters. Don't believe your lying eyes
>>2005355kek
>>2005356ok fine, you're a demceloid then
>>2005357they treat it correctly as a joke while the liberals are falling over themselves with shit like
>>2005346 lol
bluemaga is literally schizophrenic, 4 years later and they're still doing this leg shit about trump
https://xcancel.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1851772449181851717kamala winning the election is so out of the picture for these people that they're hoping trump gets leg cancer to minimize their losses
>>2005393I think it's exaggerated not for the reasons people usually say but because there is another think tank that got closer to trump recently and Trump has shunned the project 2025 one for a while.
I read about this on politico it's a good read
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-weekend/2024/10/25/is-this-woman-about-to-take-over-maga-00185500 >>2005377You're watering down the definition, which harms domestic abuse victims. I suspect that's your intention.
>>2005380Do you put glue in your pizza recipes?
>>2005377>Look up the definitionhttps://web.archive.org/web/20220424081259/https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2022/04/15/gaslighting-definition-relationship-abuse-response/"Some mental health experts are concerned that overusing the term could obscure the abusive nature of gaslighting and reduce its power to help victims recognize ongoing manipulation."
If you know this and continue intentionally misusing it you are intentionally harming domestic abuse victims.
Now that the Trumpcels have confirmed they want to hurt domestic abuse victims, let's field some questions for them on the same topic.
Could you all explain why Donald Trump hired Alex Acosta as labor secretary in his administration, to oversee anti-sex trafficking enforcement, after Acosta gave Jeffrey Epstein a "sweetheart deal" and tried to "minimize media coverage" of Epstein's child sex trafficking?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/13/jeffrey-epstein-alex-acosta-miami-herald-mediaCould you explain this? I am legitimately curious. Why would he do this?
Why did Trump say: "I wish her well" about Epstein's collaborator, Ghislaine Maxwell?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/21/trump-on-jeffrey-epstein-associate-ghislaine-maxwell-i-wish-her-well-frankly/Could you explain this? I am legitimately curious.
Why did Trump say: "you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there", about the Epstein files?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-epstein-called-epstein-files-say-relationship-rcna161354Can you explain this?
>>2005320War with china will lead to american bourgeoisie being overthrown.
Tariff against China is the american bourgeoisie biting the hand that feeds it, raising the input cost and decreasing profit, isolating itself from the increasingly dominant Communist mode of production. Communist development is not dependant upon our monopoly money. Tariff against international capitalist is good. Tariff against Communism is still good. Economists imply Communism needs our worthless paper when they disagree. Economist say tariff raise prices, but this is the fallacy that tax on gas raise gas price. Tariff decrease profit.
>>2005465Your boycott is liberalism. Grubhub and uber is socially necessary. Communist China has similar services. Your social darwanism demonstrates your fascism.
>>2005500there are two kinds of garbage
there is revolutionary garbage, and then there is reactionary garbage
>>2005515Will this government money tabs dry up a little?
WIth all the money hes put in to trumps campaign and so publicly seems siginificant.
as far as i understand most of the tech faction of the booj tend not to pick sides publicly and often back all horses.
We are SO cooked in the EU.
The report is not *just* about building an EU security state that de-facto makes EU a federation with a central government, that nonetheless answers to Washington first, rather than it's constituent states.
Skimming over it, it's like concluding that the EU did everything right since, say 2020, up to including rona, austerity, neoliberal policy in general, everything cold war… and prescribing much more.
https://commission.europa.eu/topics/defence/safer-together-path-towards-fully-prepared-union_en>>2004993>what will you be watching?lpol /usapol/ thread, ofc. the only revolutionary machos with hairy chests' option.
>What will you be drinking/smoking?coffee, coffee, coffe.
>Who will you be watching it with?with my jar of coffee.
>Do you feel guilty about wanting Trump to win?the only guilt I will have is if nothing fun happens.
I don't understand burger elections, do you vote for the people whom do the votes in the house and etc at the same time as you vote for the president?
What are the % projections for seats?
..I guess it doesn't really make a difference because either government will have enough genocide votes by a wide margin, but nonetheless..
>>2005548>We are SO cooked in the EU.Anon it will be so laughably leaky it will never be useful in any role CIA, MI5, DGSE, etc are, don't worry. EU doesn't do secrecy well.
>>2005554??? are the forms you get in america hand written in some places? lol?
Is this the southern poverty they tell me about?
>>2005558>I don't understand burger elections, do you vote for the people whom do the votes in the house and etc at the same time as you vote for the president? House is up for re-election every two years so it aligns with the presidential election every four years.
>What are the % projections for seats?Dunno. The Republicans control it right now. But if the Democrats win it back (they'd need to gain five seats) they'd probably have a pretty narrow majority.
>>2005558How does anyone manage to care about natioanls every 4 years, locals every 2 years and campaign season being over 12 months?
Feel like everyone would completely switch off if implemented most anywhere in europe, could never seeing anyone be okay with it.
>>2005602>Larry fink is a democrat. The demcels pay him to say this bpurgeois political nihilism to make the demcels seem palpablehttps://www.businessinsider.com/trump-strategic-and-policy-forum-includes-dimon-iger-schwarzman-2016-12https://archive.ph/dXLqZ#selection-2075.0-2077.29>Trump is forming an economic advisory team with the CEOs of Disney, General Motors, JPMorgan, and more>The members of the forum include CEOs from Disney, JPMorgan, General Motors, and BlackRock. Here's the full list, from the press release:<Larry Fink, chairman and CEO, BlackRockHang yourself.
>>2005608I am not maoist, and mao had some serious issues and flaws in his theory.
>>2005616>MAGA is anti-blackkkrockkk. Fink gives mostly to demokkkrats, to neconsLet me tap this again:
>Larry fink is a democrat. The demcels pay him to say this bpurgeois political nihilism to make the demcels seem palpablehttps://www.businessinsider.com/trump-strategic-and-policy-forum-includes-dimon-iger-schwarzman-2016-12https://archive.ph/dXLqZ#selection-2075.0-2077.29>Trump is forming an economic advisory team with the CEOs of Disney, General Motors, JPMorgan, and more>The members of the forum include CEOs from Disney, JPMorgan, General Motors, and BlackRock. Here's the full list, from the press release:<Larry Fink, chairman and CEO, BlackRockHang yourself.
>>2005613>>2005616right, no source
gotcha
>>2005635Buzz light-year endorsed drumpf today
Liberals say he has dementia now, ruined his legacy and is a stupid guy
>>2005622I did a little googling. Here's what I knew before I googled: A good percentage of MAGA are those South-Baptist Envangeical
freaks who think that anydaynow Jesus will rise again to cleanse the Earth or yatcha-yatcha, so they historically have strong ties and support to Israel, a religious holy-site to them. Now here's what I found after googling:
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R40213/28Government report that studies foreign aid burgers gave out from 1997-2017. Trump administration demonstrates they gave 3 billion dollars to Israel [page 23]. Albeit, this number is a quarter of what spending is now, but October 6th triggered a huge surge for Zionazi support. Biden's giving
much more money, important to note, but Trump wasn't necessairly the Kuffyiah-toting radical you claim. This is further justified when looking at page 25, which indicate foreign expenditures stagnated at around $50 during the first two years of Trump's administration, with a billion or so less in '17 to '16.
>>2005712I checked google trends and now people thinks biden is the one who said it
I think it might cost him some of the vote he was tdying to get in NY
In 3 daya people will forget this one out, but they will exploot the biden one to fuel republican turnout in ads and stuff
"You are not garbage, you are americans"
>>2005712lol, still concern trolling about purto rico?
that shit is over, joe biden called half of america trash and trump dressed up like a garbage man.
>>2005741If you are not moderately reactionary you are sort of beta/unassertive/anti-phallic
Which is a big redflag, either you are soi, not into pussy or groom kids in 'cord
Most people will think odd of very socially liberal males, similar to how performatively anti-racist whites give an -ick and just look like they have an humilliation fetish
Anyone seeing the growing interest of Amish people by right wingers online?
Even Republicans are courting them for voted now
https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-amish-voters-church-state-election-republican-02879042c8ee425c345daa971ecd341eI found a long ass twitter thread now about Amish birth rates by a right wing person and how they should adopt Amish ideas
https://x.com/MoreBirths/status/1851753530387743172>>2005771Interact with real people
Im not talking about being a woman hating, anti-gay, trans-obsessed freak, im talking about bro-type social conservativism which is kore of a male assertion projection than anything
Men that are "too woke" to put it somehow give an ick
Men that are too obsessed with antagonizing minorities give an ick
You just need to be naturak, no one expects men to be pussy whipped, or whites to be supplicants constantly pumping fists and asking forgiveness.
Not being a retard is mostly sufficient, socially speaking, which is what i refer with chudness levels for a male
>>2005777That if you are too progressive you look like a pussy and puts off many people.
there is "admissible levels"
I think che guevara levels of progressivess are the most reasonable type
>>2005791This is a "vibes" discussion, of subconsciouss interactions and general patterns based on personality.
Very progressive men have an aura of submisson and betaness, this is why harris is struggling terribly with male voters.
Favorability for celebrities is a meh
People tends to like those who kept it for themselves, too opinionated celebrities give an ick and liberal men tend to cancel those who disagree while conservative men dont care, also Jackson is black which makes his progressiveness a "expected", not a liability.
If you think billie eilish has a larger male following or fanbase than logan paul or kanye west, or that zendaya is more popular among men than joe rogan, you are high on bath salts for example.
Im talking about real life interactions
Not some abstract about poll respondents.
Most people get off puted by overly progressive me in aperformative way
>>2005808you're the trumpcel pretending to be a demcel so you can complain some more about demcels ITT
>>2005812trvke
>>2005812I dont think I can be drafted. I'd just defect anyway.
>>2005813Meds, now. Schizo
>>2005797>this is why harris is struggling terribly with male votersI'm not so sure about that. I think you're getting ahead of yourself. The election hasn't happened yet but people are trying to manifest an outcome.
I think a lot of the woman hating, gay hating stuff reflects insecurity and other people can smell it. Homophobia isn't really about fear of gays – it's not really about gays. It's fear of homosexuality; i.e. fear that you might be tempted. Which is fear of oneself. That doesn't broadcast the kind of confidence that a lot of men see in other men they admire. Although it's not like the men who they do like are running around waving Pride flags, if you do that you're probably either gay or a politician running for mayor of New York and trying to get the gay vote.
You know Trump too is not socially conservative all that much. I don't think he is really, personally. He's a New York billionaire celebrity guy. He emits boss energy but in 2016 a lot of people who voted for him do so because they took him as a moderate, not a right-wing conservative. He talked about "bringing the jobs back" and everybody making money and getting rich. His entrance into Republican Party politics at CPAC was organized by a gay Republican group of all people, called GOProud. He was the small lobby of gay Republican men's guy! Isn't that something?
I didn't watch the World Series but now I hear there are just constant trans panic ads from Musk's PAC, but the polls I've seen on that suggest that trans issues ranks near the bottom among the general public's list of concerns. The Republicans did a lot of that too during the 2022 midterms and it didn't work out great for them.
>Im talking about real life interactions>Not some abstract about poll respondents.Yeah, but some generalizations are probably necessary. I doubt you see Andrew Tate, for example, as a living model for what most men admire but a man (or, really, overwhelmingly boys; i.e. idiots) immersed in Tate fandom is going to get a really distorted view of reality.
>>2005809>I think too many people is extremely absorbed by believing opinions from echo chambers online are realThe Trump campaign is really trying to get young men to vote for them. They really seem to be going all-in on this, leaning into bro culture. We'll see how it works but I think they're too online. That'll be my pre-emptive argument for why Trump blows it, if he does.
>>2005826Being used as shooting practice with a kdr of 1-1000 is what you would call a resistance? Its just unilateral abuse
How many times palestinians recovered large swathes of land?
How many israelis they killed in the last year?
How many buildings in israel they shitted?
Its just making time waiting for a life saver, palestine is quite clearly not what will stop israel whatever you like it or not.
Maybe turkey or iran grow a pair one day.
Otherwise? Cooked country
>>2005827Not a clue what was that odd abatract analysis on gayness, but fails to get to my point.
When i talked about being midly reactoid i said not really women hating, trans-obsessed, etc.
I meant the kind of opinions the average NFL watcher has
Maybe a couple jokes about fags ocasionaly, or "hoes amirite".
You are mistaking these odd online circlejerks of 4chan fashioned chuddery with for instance the kind of chuddery you get from a male-only enviroment.
Bro-static stuff, hardline different from 4chan psychiatric cases.
I think trans-panic clearly doesnt hit the average male, at mosts icks them, but i rather believe its pointed at boomers.
Yet again kamala campaign is campaigning on calling trumo a fascist
Do you genuinely believe the median american NFL watcher knows what fascism is? They think its a bird
Its terminally online twitter worldview.
They think trump is fun and kamala a hoe
>>2005837>I meant the kind of opinions the average NFL watcher has Interesting thing
>They think trump is fun and kamala a hoeI think you're underestimating how many people hate Donald Trump.
>>2005841I think you are underestimating how much people think he is funny but tend to not turn out to vote because its a waste of time.
And how many people see democrats as snakes.
Do you know which kind of voter trump wins by wide margins in all kind of voting?
Low propensity voters.
Meaning people that didnt show up frmiterms or last presidentials
The lower propensity of voting they have (meaning people not super interested in politics) the more likely trump is to get them
Jnless they are black
>>2005850I think its just the trump effect though
The one that made Ohio and the rust belt go from solid obama boue states to red and swing states.
This people isnt voting on republican antiquated and boring fiscal policy, anti-union policy, or law and order shit.
They are voting because they like trump and are mildly racist, mildly but not incredibly misoginostic on bro terms (thats why the GOP takes such a flipfloppy stance on abortion. They fear pissing out conservanormies and fear pissing out prolifers), and not super interested in politics.
These rust belt appalachian-yankee mutts from the industrial era are the kind of people that vote based on vibes and kamala gives hag vibes
"Pussywhipped" is not a 4chan term, is normie miso-slang
When i say mildly chudded i speak about this kind of conservanormism, not about being horrorized over gay marriage lmao
>>2005867Okay but colorado, penn and new mexico are FUCKING SQUARES
They never gave it a second thought? Fucking hell
>>2005877>republicans dont care about things that kill uygha babiesthere's two schools of rethuglican thought:
1. eugenicist. abortion is good because it allows rich whites to make sure their daughters never carry a black baby to term
2. tradcath. abortion is cringe because god who art in heaven gave all zygotes a SOVL
>>2005840Yeah I think another notable Palestine campaign cucked out and said something like "We don't endorse Kamala, but we endorse voting against Trump, voting third party is useless."
This goes back to what I said about the Cult of Pity. The Bourgeois have made their opinions known a million fucking times, just look here
>>2005795They're telling you outright how the playbook works. If they see human shields, they shoot through them. Then they take vulnerable groups and cloak it around themselves. They're fucking daring people at this point. Look at how Macron backstabbed the French Left when National Front didn't come to power, oh sure they're mad, but he knows that he can backstab them again and again, and as soon as the right rears its ugly head they can rely on the Left to drag their voters to them. Think there's gonna be any lesson learned? He can count on that fucking bitch to call Algerians savages and knows the Left will rally to him.
Pity is a fucking disease.
>>2006092I think the last guy got a total of about 17 in points for the burned box.
(still calling it was anarchists btw, ameritards are to lost in the sause of party politics to see the obvious)
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-why-do-anarchists-burn-ballot-boxes >>2006109yep, i'm calling it
that slide just lost him the election
it's a dukakis moment
>>2006116>Don't underestimate the power of the funny points.In the rest of the anglo world we have legal clause if you do something for the bantz it can be dismissed.
I think you americans need this.
>>2005978This is queen of spades sissyhypno cope to give hopium to dems btw
Trump is leading all betting markets
>>2006254Significantly less funny than writing in Biden, and probably less funny than Trump.
Kennedy is crazy in the obviously stupid way, not in the funny way.
>>2006266>queen of spades sissyhypno copeBro what the fuck are you talking about
>>2006254will RFK Jr steal votes from demcels since he's a registered dem?
or will he steal votes from trumpcels since he's a RW schizo?
>>2006266why aren't people doing arbitrage between sites?
<64|37<63|38???
>>2006286Chances of winning are mediated by an average pf how much people votes AGAINST a candidate and how much vote for them
Some.sotes likely have deficit because of against-vote (meaning shares of they wont win)
>>2006266is it going to be like 2020, yes?
You are making me wanting democraps to win this election, kek.
>>2006347you can always not vote
which delegitimize democraps and rethuglicansor vote LaRiva
which also delegitimize democraps and rethuglicansinstead of voting the bourgeoise party that loves war, too.
>>2006349>he wanted to do war but couldn't!!OK, but the fact is that during Trump's administration there wasn't any new war.
All I see is who's supporting each candidate. Trump gets support from real estate investors like BlackRock while the democrats get support from the armament manufacturers. BlackRock can't wait for wars to end so they can go balls deep and build shit while getting the country into debt while armament manufacturers actively want war to continue. It's not about muh ideology (both are bourg), it's about material conditions
>>2006363I won't lie and say I'm not a campist though, I support BRICS. Turns out Russia much prefers Trump in office, which to me is a sign that it's the better candidate.
I still hate them all though. Not american btw
>>2006349>>assassinated SoleimaniLibs already assasinated 3 iranian heads of state and tried to start a color revolution with 2022 protests
>>tried to coup and wanted to invade Venezuela Speculation. Stick to the real life
>>expanded arming of UkraineUntrue, and ukraine war is supported and instigated by democrats
Who in fact escalated war in the middle east by provoking israel as they wanted to form a temporary alliance with iran to knock russia down the caucasus and central asia
>>tried to coup BoliviaThere has been 3 coup attempts in bolivia during biden
>>bombed Syrian government forcesLibs did this, additionaly bombed yemen and Obama+biden sent billions to israel and nafo more than trump, needless to say obama couped libya
>>constantly attacks Dems for not supporting Israel enoughLiberals require their zionist donors which makes ir a sensitive topic
>>2006391Libs are worse than trump
Muuuch worse
Hence why military industrial complex mputhpieces like the Chenys and Kelly are glazing them
>>2006391You can't be a centrist with this shit, Trump is just better overall if you care about multipolarism.
If you don't care about multipolarism you're a libtard.
>>2006307Good strat tbh.
>>2006309That would probably be the funniest outcome.
>>2006402Literally about how delusional do yoy have to be to think america can
1- invade iran in any shape or form rather than just sanction them (iranian authorities do not want to form economic dependence on china or russia either, which heavily limits their possibilities)
2-war with… china????
Only think he will do is tariffs and bitching like during his NK saga where he wnded becoming buttbuddies with kimmy
America is not in conditions or interested in war with iran according to Vance, that is, directly downstream from israeli seethe over iran normalizing relations with the US in order to pivot towards a war with russia.
And much less with china
>>2006414>invadei said proxy war
>>2006416every single day, yes. mods have to clean it up nonstop. they keep spamming about "brave proletarian maga soldiers" and other delusional shit.
>>2006419>i said proxy warAmerica wont start a proxy war with china anytime soon
Iran will juat keep its lock with israel
What is more important now is to avoid war with russia at all cost, which has not only started but democrats/nato plan to escalate and launch an invasion
>>2006388Shush trumpcel. We know the uniparty is bad.
>YemenTrump also did this
>Zionist donorsTrump has as many zionist donors as Kameltoe, his children are married to zionists (and yes Kamala is also married to a zionist), he's been friends with Netanyahu going back to at least the early 2010s if not decades, Vance is friends with Thiel who co-founded Palantir who are helping the Zionists with their genocide in Gaza
>Untruehttps://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/25/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/https://apnews.com/article/71fd3f8ee74f488fb788accf1e7978e4https://www.cato.org/commentary/washington-quietly-increases-lethal-weapons-ukraineTrump send more military aid to Ukraine than Obama.
>bombing SyriaObama wanted to. But Trump was the one who did it
>>2006398>He still thinks Trump was different than Biden/Obama on foreign policyMIGAcels are pathetic
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>>2006447Unions are obviously beneffited by democrats turning america into a service economy outsourcing industrial work to child labour slave factories in the Philippines brother.
Free markets! Fuck tariffs!
>>2006455No one is memoryholing anything MIGAcel. They're both shit.
>Trump sends cops after protesters>Bidler/Kameltoe send cops after protesters Wow what a fucking difference
>>2006465If you can't see the difference between sending aid and doing everything possible for a full scale invasion and war then of course you'll think it's the same.
Maybe if Trump wins he'll double down on the war, who knows? But doesn't seem to be the case given his record. This man literally sits down to talk with Kim Jong Un and Putin bro.
>>2006468Misconstruction
Trump said he said putin that he would strike moscow if he invaded as a threat.
Trump and Putin are besties.
>>2006467Trump sent cops to riots (which, while bad, is understandable) while kameltoe sent cops to peaceful protests against genocide
Just yesterday she kicked activists demanding end to genocide out of her rallies with bussed shills
Never voting for demonrats
Kys
>>2006486Oh great the Kalshirogancels have arrived
>>2006487This reply reeks of a loser who has lost big time in crypto, don’t worry bro Silicon Valley will have another shitcoin for you to invest in so you can recoup those losses and you finally can get laid after 29 long years
>>2006461Yes and? It doesn't change Trump escalated Ukrainian military aid, it doesn't change him killing Soleimani and bombing Syria and helping the Saudis in their war against Yemen
He went further than Obama, and Biden went further than Trump, and now Trump is saying he'll go further in supporting Israel than Biden is doing currently. And maybe he'll de-escalate in Ukraine even though Vance has stated they want to force Putin into a ceasefire and a "korea" solution where the rest of Ukraine still joins the west.
Which is no "deescalation" at all, or not much better than the official Ukrainian stance nowadays. (They want a ceasefire/negotiations)
Stop being MIGAcel, stop pretending either side of the uniparty is, has been or will be different on foreign policy than the other.
They're all shit. They're all zionists. They're all in the pocket of the MIC/Finance Capital. None of them are "anti-war" in the slightest.
>>2006506The only AES is the DPRK. Maybe Cuba too, but no US president is ever going to be nice to Cuba, it's simply impossible.
Kim Jong Un went as far as to remove anti-American propaganda after meeting with Trump.
>>2006398>You can't be a centrist with this shit, Trump is just better overall if you care about multipolarism.there's different kinds of centrism:
establishment centrism: both parties should reach a bourgeois consensus and not polarize, because polarization is bad, and civility and institutional norms and bourgeois consensus are good
anti-establishment centirms: both parties are too similar, and that's a bad thing, because neither of them represent the working class. they only differ on how the bourgeoisie should best be reprsented, and matters of tactics, strategy, and short term vs. long term class interests of the bourgeoisie
to pretend those two forms of "centrism" are the same is the real centrism, which you exhibit
>>2006512>>2006519 (me)
>>2006523the point is, the political establishment hates politicians hanging out with socialist politicians, and are keen to remind people that you should hate them, while in reality these are weak, vague, and awkward attempts of diplomacy, probably to keep split the global south.
and if trump hanged out with KJU or Putin is a reason to vote for trump, I guess trumpcels should beg for obunga to come back to politics directly, too,
>picrel >>2006501>>2006507Mods this man is baiting, and even though I know he's baiting, I need him punished so I can be fully satisfied.
(I am parodying myself, a classic that no one would understand, so I come off as either hallucinating or pretending to be someone else)
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